MUSICAL LET'S PLAY: Warframe Continues to Defy Expectations [New War Supercut/Spoilers]

[@MarcoMeatball]

My intention here was to keep all important bits, me just theory crafting in my head, my confusion, and general discussion. I have removed the pain. :D look to the timestamps!

[@Skuttle5]

A quick note about the confusion with Ballas being in charge. Errands did actually die in the old war. Ballas made a new Erra, and put him under his control. Then Ballas played the slave to get the lotus on their side. When she started questioning why Erra was alive, they knew the gig was up and started draining her. (Also a lot of this was done through the use of Kuva)

[@MarcoMeatball]

@@Skuttle5where is that explained btw? Because that is NOT obvious lol

[@whynotusepaper468]

@@Skuttle5 I think thats still just theory that erra was recreated but good one. Ballas did act like slave to trick lotus.

[@Skuttle5]

@@MarcoMeatball The hints are sprinkled throughout the quests, but I will admit it is still a theory of the communities

[@kejunlow441]

​@@MarcoMeatballyou can see Erra dying in the old war cutscene. Then in the Maker cutscene Lotus was confused why Erra is alive, she also remembered that he died. They gaslighted her by saying her memory has been messed with or she don't rmb it all.

[@tigerstorm6622]

Marco's reaction to seeing Wally show up was one of both pure horror and confusion, and that is exactly how Wally should be done. Love it

[@CombatZAK]

DE, largely, has the courage to take risks that a lot of game companies would not. They're not afraid to fail, and that pays dividends in terms of creating narrative arcs and gameplay moments that are truly special.

[@NickHunter]

they've had a few misses but I always appreciate and admire the massive swings they take

[@quantumblauthor7300]

It also pays dividends in terms of failure.

[@Synthc4t]

they miss every now and then, but when they hit, *boy* do they hit

[@Jukantos]

I can't help but feel they also learned the utter power of cyclical moments from Destiny 2's best Storyline - the redemption of Crow, formerly known as Uldren Sov. He had a BEAUTIFUL moment similar to the one we experience with Lotus at the end here. And they made yet more use of this pattern with the end of Whispers in the Walls calling back to The Sacrifice. That said, my god that choice makes my throat choke up and my eyes tear no matter how many times i play it or see it. What a god damn choice to give us.

[@TheFizio]

Little fun fact about the portrait with operator's parents: their clothes change colors to match operator's

[@SG.N0taill]

39:33 an Eidolon is a living remain/remnant of a once whole Sentient... like the 3 Eidolons boss raid in Cetus are what remain of a whole giant Sentient.

[@Rajclaw]

hehe funny robot zombie :]

[@HarperLylia]

19:57 Always give me chills. You spend almost an hour fighting the war as other factions & the moment you see the Tenno arrive, it gives off the scale of this war. It's not just about us, its the entire system fighting this off. The New War is such a masterpiece.

[@HarperLylia]

24:59 It's so rare to see a 2nd Person POV in a video game. Love this!

[@leongminzhi7821]

I love this part too... the scale, the music, makes me wanna scream "let's do this!!!"

[@Jukantos]

The only thing that has me real sad is that they didn't include the BRILLIANT teaser trailer they originally gave back in 2019. "Mercury has gone dark! They're hitting the entire system!"''The sheer sense of *dread* before we even zoom in on the plains and Erra making his landing really should've had its place in the final quest. Sure, the more cinematic opening with the multiple forms of characters works - but before we ever get to Erra taking Cetus there still would have been space to include that trailer and i'm sad they didn't.

[@flyisgame]

As someone who watched quite literally the entire stream and kept screaming at Marco in my room about particular moments and relating to his changing his arms like 5 fucking times, this is a certified MarcoMeatball classic.

[@MarcoMeatball]

lmao please dont scream.

[@flyisgame]

@@MarcoMeatball LOL, yea it was during particular moments like MARCO THE DEACON NOT THAT WAY NOOOOOO FUCK

[@Maelthorn1337]

Ahhh i think it's okay to scream as long as you're not disturbing anyone.

[@ninjab33z]

It is really interesting watching some newer to the game play the missions, but as a vet there has been times when a mechanic or feature has been missed, that made me want to cry (no disrespect for missing it).

[@nouse4name368]

Keep the "I should've stayed in Duviri" line in mind because Duviri Paradox happens somewhere within the New War quest

[@Sternraum]

As one of the supporters of Warframe since closed Beta where we only had 2 location tilesets, I love seeing people fall in love with what the game has become

[@Margonxp]

Started playing Warframe like 8 years ago (Excalibur had Super Jump ability instead of radial javelin), I still can't comprehend how this game evolved from fun Space Ninja co-op game to this. Warframe has such an interesting lore and story quest are so damn hype because of the unique storytelling and new gameplay mechanics. Even if I do a lot of long breaks from this game, there's no way I won't be coming back to it when new quest drops, they are just so damn great and unique, you won't find anything similar, nowhere. This game has the best developers, I love the whole DE team!

[@NickHunter]

100% everything you said

[@knavenformed9436]

Super Jump instead of Exalted Blade* But yeah it's crazy how fast the 2016-2019 evolution happened

[@Good_Hot_Chocolate]

Same here, tenno. I'm so happy to be a part of this community and to experience this story and the game as it evolves.

[@Gr33nOfGrundleburg]

The horrific revelation at the end that Rell was speaking literally is still one of my favorite parts of this.

[@rafaeldelaunaycosta8630]

I was watching the stream and remembered you talking about the finger in the back of the railjack. That finger belongs to Wally(The Man In The Wall), that being that appears in the end of The New War, if you notice his right hand you can see he is missing his index finger, and that finger has some lore you can learn if you do progress with the with the NecraLoid syndicate.

[@MarcoMeatball]

i have learned this and i am currently bewildered and confused.

[@NobleLeader6]

​@@MarcoMeatballWelcome to Warframe's lore, it's a wonderful and confusing mess that we love.

[@BracketsAttackets]

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[@jupitergaming5146]

I love how the ending scene with the lotus and operator/drifter is a inverse of the final scene of the second dream with operator/drifter carrying her to a chair and talking about who she wants to be. Very poetic

[@electronus97]

And this is how the solar system was almost destroyed in a domestic dispute. Coming from a broken household, what Ballas said to Lotus at the end... What she "made" him do... its your parents fighting, something all to familiar.

[@infelious2466]

Watching this stream, revisiting New War after finishing it and watching Marco's perspective, has actually made this quest a lot better, showing me new bits of lore I didn't notice.

[@miss_bec]

I loved the observation about the Sentient ship doors looking like vocal chords. Everything the sentients make looks so horrifically organic despite being the only things the Orokin made that didn't, in some way, have meat in it.

[@DarkmegaGaming]

9:30 Basically, as far as I care to figure, Ballas chained up under Erra was a ruse, to get Natah to trust them, but she realizes erra was killed. But Ballas likely rebuilt him, as another source of control and manipulation against natah. So he could ultimately use her energy to re-energize and control Praghasa. Why Mother Praghasa was "dead", I can only guess. but it could potentially be due to an old event called "Scarlet spear" where we were tasked to hack into sentient ships in space and orphix's on the surface of earth (before they learnt Warframe nullification) to get codes to break into Murex mind networks and upload malicious code/Viruses which sent them back in a bugged and erroring state to hopefully stall out the full invasion with a bunch of viruses. I have a feeling they probably caused a bit of damage when they got back to mother, enough to set them back for a time and probably render her... shut down/screwed up also... or Alternatively "mother" was what they affectionately called their home ship and it didn't have a personality like Hunhow, even if he was meant to be a whole terraforming ship of sorts also. (mother was a carpenter , Father was a farmer etc from the ropalolyst fight). Although in the time that whole event bought Ballas I guess helped fix stuff up and managed to teach the Orphix dropships/dropspear thingies to radiate warframe nullifying zones which would in turn screw us up, and so we'd have to use mechs in the next event to fight them back. Unfortunately a lot of this middle of the line story stuff is lost to new incoming players. :< 11:10 yeeah... the Unum is so powerful that she can basically render an enemy's ship to inert metal (full shutdown, no power, dead) if she detects ill-will towards her and her people (something from the lore bits)... so... I imagine the sentients basically just yeeted their murex at full speed and let gravity do the rest and The Unum couldn't do anything about it... 15:10 heart wrenchers... 15:25 for my brothers... T_T 19:35 Take your shot... For profit. o7 💥 27:55 kiss of deeeeeath. :< 30:00 ah yes. stunned mullet look. just how we like em. Killed you so hard you got kicked out of the game. xD anyways, I'll keep watching. :) 1:17:15 oh yeah, you missed that memo. cause you slept on Simaris. like a lotta people do. :V and you were basically rushing the story cause it's practically free now. 1:28:33 wow, that was a quick choice.... I did choose drifter if only cause the voice after a long choice on finding out whether or not you could switch eventually, hoping I'd get the drifter skills. but I still play operator till this day outside the quest. I preferred my operator cosmetics I had personally made via farming ingame stuff than the drifter in their default stuff at the time when it came out... and drifter would sometimes get stuck when void dashing.... 1:33:25 no reaction to the Unum stopping time when she was finally awake and drifter and ordis's funny lines? D: ripped off. laaaame. 1:35:33 and the disrespects keep on coming. X_X 1:36:40 and this is why you shoulda done duviri first, in some respects. but also, why you also shouldn't. it's a hard call. while it provides a lot of, "huh, whats going on here?" the real "aha" moments experienced during it when seeing the sights and some of the characters and locations of duviri only come when you get after the new war, into the later content. 1:56:06 Void corruption, went feral and nuts. Not "infested". They lost their minds and started lashing out and attacking each other, emotions went wild and they saw stuff... Since the void has been shown to feed on emotions and also in a way, memories among other stuff like... Uh... what you'll discover next I guess. Which likely happened after the tenno made the deal with the man in the wall entity and the void broke in completely.

[@SpectralFlame25]

Yeah, as mentioned Varzia is not Teshin's former lover. Additionally, Dax seemingly don't age. As noted by Teshin himself, homie has been around pre- Fall of the Orokin and is still alive. So she didn't need to be cryogenically frozen or anything.

[@DarkmegaGaming]

@blooperblu oh, shoot. so it is. really similar name. X_X quick. delete yourselves. I never said that. Shh. I don't wanna give bad info.

[@electronus97]

Not just Natah, but you as well. it was all an act, one they drop the moment lotus gives them what they want, when Erra drops the leash.

[@prioprioprio]

Nobody will see this comment but you know what I like about how Ballas is defeated? It's that even with him, even with the most awful of ugly, broken beings, he was made vulnerable by giving him the one thing he needed most in all the world, if only for a few moments. By taking away his pain.

[@techknight3753]

"Warframe is the best kept secret in gaming." Wow, I've never thought of it like that... but you are absolutely right. Like I don't know that a single person has ever intentionally spoiled anything in Warframe... The 40 hour build up weeds out anyone who wouldn't commit to the unspoken oath of secrecy.

[@killerninja4416]

a bad tutorial kinda flushes out the people who like to make the game worse dosen't it?

[@slenderminion2229]

"And now Ballas, I actually kinda feel pity for him." Oh how quickly The New War got rid of that. What an absolute bastard he is.

[@ChrisTanner1983]

I was very fortunate to attend a panel by the Warframe writing team at TennoCon 2023. Wonderful people with a real gift for crafting compelling characters and building such an expansive, beautiful world. Very excited to see where the story of Warframe goes in 2024 and beyond. "We are seasons," indeed.

[@NickHunter]

all of us

[@SG.N0taill]

1:06:41 Void travel in Warframe is kinda similar to warp travel in Warhammer40k. In Warframe, this is the 1st time ever that mankind can FTL travel to another star system, the Zariman... and of course, there are entities dwell in the Void, like The Man in the wall.

[@tyrondor5600]

I also love the detail of how the giant man in the wall is missing one finger and our Railjack has a reliquary drive that is powered by a giant finger

[@mihailpiperkov8558]

I really respect the quality and speed of the content. You edited the stream in no time!!

[@alexlowe2054]

The scene at 07:05 is so interesting. I forgot it even existed. It drops multiple foreshadowing hints that Ballas is actually in charge, and Erra is just a pawn, even though he's the one holding the leash. It's amazing to hear Marco dropping Warframe memes while playing. Truly one of the best games ever.

[@fulcrumlastimosa981]

1:36:13 I love how Marco mentions that he loves Star Wars, then Cephalon Cy makes a direct reference to the original movie

[@hallelion]

Just finished the supercut. Superb choice of scenes to showcase! Don't worry too much if you missed things, there are a few Warframe Lore channels you can check out offline to gain more insight: StallordD, TheDSiege, and The Orokin Archives. Congratulations in finishing "The Sentients and The Lotus" Narrative Arc. Now, two quests await you as preludes toward the next Narrative Arc, the "Albrecht Entrati and The Man in The Wall" Saga: "Angels of The Zariman", and "The Duviri Paradox". I personally rank The Duviri Paradox a hair above The Sacrifice in terms of relatability. I hope you see why soon enough. As for The New War quest, it really showcases the ambition of Digital Extremes in terms of storytelling. Even after 10 years of offering this Game-as-a-Service, they have little to no corrosion in terms of visions of grandeur. With the first quest for the next Narrative Arc ("Whispers In The Walls"), I became very much convinced that the direction DE points toward is one ride to never forget. So excited!

[@Rajclaw]

In all my years of Warframe the best source for lore has been the community itself, specifically the lore-heads in the official discord since they’re good st answering questions and explaining why somethjng is the way it is, many youtubers get it wrong or have outdated info so if one is watching them it’s important to take it with a grain of salt and look into things in-game (not the Wiki, in terms of lore it’s not a good source afaik) if you reslly want to look into something. Notably just replaying or rewatching a quest can help to understand things better too.

[@Sandro_de_Vega]

I love that part when Ballas kills you so hard thats log out you into nothingness.

[@snorpus]

IM SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE HAD AN UNSPOILED REACTION TO KAHL.

[@nhiko999]

"For Narmer" put me in a state of rage instantly when it defiled "We all lift together"...

[@Unclaimed_Username]

1:30:10 Fun fact I learned from watching other playthroughs. If you have the tenno continue the story instead of the drifter, once they go back into their warframe they'll flex and say it's good to be back.

[@kimthemisfit]

I am SO glad you chose Lotus for her. Natah is who she was originally, sure. Margulis was who she was forced to be. But she CHOSE to be Lotus. Lotus is who she wanted to be. Lotus is who she is.

[@Cornu341]

I chose Natah at the end, because to me, that is what she always was. Lotus was just a mask and now she can show her true form in my messages. She is a sentient.

[@emperorpalpatine373]

And Margulis is someone she was forced to look like, long after the real one had died in the Jade Light. Natah is what i chose as well.

[@eldenhollow3915]

Natah gang

[@satraelr.r.deihouwmarentar7901]

We have to get him to listen to the fragmented one theme from the new whispers in the wall theme. Goosebumps every single time.

[@TheFizio]

25:35 I theorized that Valeria was Teshin's SO/wife/partner, since the Veil makes you see the person you love the most The zariman lesson on Eternalism btw is what confirms Gomaitru's (Albrecht's daughter) true name, Euleria!

[@Ashurman666]

1:20:39 So this is the section I wanted to hear your opinion on. Most people interpret this cutscene as the proof that Eternalism is the true doctrine. I, however, see it as Presentism asserting itself. All of these other versions of our Operator dying one by one, I see that as all other possible realities, both past and future, either ceasing to exist or all coalescing into one, that being the PRESENT reality. The reason why the Drifter is unaffected is because he exists in the present reality so while his original reality is gone, he continues to exist in our present reality.(In case it wasn't clear, Drifter is not our Operator from the future but from a different reality) 1:22:46 No, "Hey kiddo" is Wally,AKA The Man In The Wall 1:49:30 BEHOLD! WALLY!

[@MarcoMeatball]

i need to re watch and better understand the concepts. they went over my head slightly slightly.i know the drifter is us in a different reality so that helps.

[@Someone-lg6di]

My take on the deal was the deal was for the void powers and you sacrificed all your other selves in the process. The drifter however was stuck in the void and presumably never took the deal and was therefore not killed off but as a consequence strander in the void

[@nemtommi0017]

It's actually interesting how many foreshadowing and references does this quest has for the Story that comes after it, many which I didn't notice on first playthrough, but obvious now that I finished all the available Quests. If you didn't played the Duviri Paradox before, this is the right time to do so, before you progress onwards with the other 'main' in my opinion because it is connected to the New War!

[@mrstabtoxic]

I love how the corpus segment sound track incarnates elements from some of the oldest corpus tracks in the game its subtle but if your love those tracks you will recognize them like me.

[@Buzk_4]

I loved when he said "It's driftin time" and tenno went drifting in the ocean all alone

[@quantumblauthor7300]

Spirit journey/attempt to escape Wally

[@Aerthkil]

His ass is NOT vergil

[@sharlesdaviskendy2391]

So long story short, an Eidolon is a "dead" Sentient that's trying to heal itself. During the Old War a particularly powerful Sentient landed on Earth and found out that Kuva could heal the Sentients of the Void sickness that prevents them from reproducing properly. If he shared this discovery with the rest of the Sentients they would have won the War. Gara fought the Sentient and basically blew up a nuke killing herself in the process (and creating the Gara Thot Lake). The Eidolons are pieces of this ancient Sentient who come out of the lake searching for the other pieces to put itself back together. For eons a different Tenno, Revenant, held the pieces at bay but Revenant grew weak over time and now we have to go there and kick their ass every night to prevent this ancient Sentient from waking up and revealing this secret to the rest.

[@killerninja4416]

and then there are greener that somewhat help with attacking the Eidolons not intentionally but still they fight those Eidolons

[@icebergwalrus7775]

honestly feels like at least 70% of what happens in warframe is a complete question mark to a lot of people as to whats happening, but that doesn't stop it from being GORGOUS

[@darkwebuser9580]

I really love the man in the wall as an Entitiy /God . I am thrilled for you to play wispers in the wall. FIGHT ON TENNO

[@gctypo2838]

I love how this quest introduces two new UI skins just to bring us in to the sense of scale with TNW. We play as a Grineer for one short sequence, then a Corpus for another sequence, just to make us see this system-wide war from a worm's-eye view. The UI here pulls us in to their place to make us feel small in the midst of it all. Makes Ballas' conquest seem so much more threatening and monumental. It's not a Marvel-style team-up, but rather a war on many fronts - a war all of them lose.

[@Thaylien]

Nice work, glad you went through it and saw so many of the details that players loved ^^ I have to put a little marker on something you brought up; that some players didn't like the direction this was going. You had some insight into that, unfortunately it's a lot more simple and a lot more dumb than that. Players that didn't like The New War, or in fact most of the quests that revolve around the Operator, are of the opinion that in Warframe you should play as Warframes. They don't like non-Warframe game play, they frequently repeat phrases like 'I want to put the kid back in the cryo-pod' or that they wish they never found out what the Operator was. It's a little sad, and a little annoying, and a lot hilarious. Because we haven't had exclusively Warframe gameplay in Warframe since 2014, and not with the Operator, oh no, with things like the Archwing. We've had non-Warframe modes in Warframe for close on a decade now. So... yeah... weird people.

[@bulletproofwhale5869]

2 HOUR SUPERCUT IS HERE! I wasn't able to see all of the stream, so I'm interested to see how he reacts to everything Edit: So, to clear up some confusion on the deal you took on The Zariman (if it wasn't during the stream). Your doppleganger is a sort of... avatar of The Man In The Wall ("Wally," who Rell was holding back in CoH, and that thing Lotus saw at the end of the quest). The Deal collapsed every single timeline where The Operator exists down to 2 linked times, where you're given Void Powers by Wally, and where you're left to Drift on the Zariman and age to become The Drifter. But The Deal also allowed the timelines to interact, which is why Operator and The Drifter can switch places. Through the Schrodinger-Haven that is Eternalism, both exist simultaneously and can be summoned to each other's timeline.

[@DroneQuadcopter]

For me she is Margulis, not because she was forced to be her, but because from that oppressions she became stronger.

[@somebody7205]

41:33 fun fact: if you play "We all lift together" and "For narmer" at the same time near the end at the chorus it turns into a duet between the two songs

[@silentcalling]

It's interesting you finally chose to recognize her as Lotus. I personally chose Natah, because like us, we must accept her as who she is - and she was, first and foremost, Natah. Who she becomes is her story to write, her choice to make.

[@bmobmo6438]

I went with Lotus because that was who she chose to be. Erra tried to force her to be Natah, Ballas tried to force her to be Margulis, but when she was free to make her own choice she chose the Tenno, she chose to be the Lotus.

[@-Eir-]

Natah was who she was born. Margulis is who she aspired to be. Lotus is who she became on the path of her journey to be someone.

[@rRekko]

Not aspired to be, she was made to assimilate Margulis. Lots of people consider this to be creepy, but Lotus is Margulis, the adoptive mother and protector of the Tenno. And then there is Natah, the obedient daughter that was made to commit all sorts of missions to get rid of the orokin and keep destroying worlds just as her people have been doing. There is no right choice, as she is now starting with a clean slate. So who do you chose? Genocidal destroyer of worlds, slave to her father? Adoptive mother of the Tenno (both margulis and lotus)? Oh btw, she became the Lotus because Margulis memories messed her up and made her turn a new page on life, abandoning being a sentient because of what it meant to be one, so either way she chose to leave the past behind, so it doesn't matter who you pick.

[@-Eir-]

Physically copying a person does not make them the copied person. It is not appearance that dictates who we are, but our essence. Even after being recovered she still remembered the side she was really on (The Tenno). When people analyze the story of Lotus, they forget to deal with it in a more human way even though it is a game. If you embrace what you have become (that's what she did) it genuinely makes you that. When she kisses Ballas and returns to normal, it is Lotus who appears, not Natah or Margulis. The choices in the game are given to have more freedom of customization. Warframe sustains itself with Fashionframe. There is also a charged feeling when she says the lines while choosing the shapes. Choosing Natah she seems apathetic and not very human. Choosing Margulis you can feel an insecurity in her voice, as if she didn't even believe it. When we choose Lotus she exudes the same confidence as when she faced Erra when saying who she is.

[@serinahighcomasi2248]

Well done! Also, should you have the time, you can check out the…interesting…lore logs in Deimos, with the Necraloid syndicate room, detailing the discovery of the Void. Assuming you haven’t already, anyway. They recently changed things so that you don’t need to rank up fully with the Entrati family to read those logs.

[@Malao558]

1:52:20 I would argue that Lotus is less of who she was to us and more of who she wished she could be. Although I could also see someone reading Margulis in that same role and I wouldn't disagree either.

[@naktiluka]

I love watching people completing The New War! It's first major quest released after I started playing, and it feels like a major milestone for me now. 41:16 after I've heared mash of For Narmer and We All Lift Together, I cannot unhear it. Every time I hear chorus of one song, another rises in my head. It looks like songs were not meant to have resemblance between them, but to actually play together! Iirc authors said they didn't do that intentionally, but I don't really believe that. They fit each other too well.

[@edot2586]

The cool thing about the Drifter, is that its the same template (so to speak) as the operator, but is a completely different person. As soon as they shook hands with the man in the wall, The Operator and Drifter ceased being the same person

[@TheIconianCat]

i dont know how much was explained for you on or off camera but given your persistent confusion at the lotus/margulis/natah chain and the drifter arc ill try to summarize the broad strokes in short order natah, born to hunhow, was the leader of one battalion of the sentients in the old war, who witnessed the execution of margulis for apostasy at the behest of the orokin council and balas. balas genuinely loved margulis but was blinded by... a number of things... related to the orokin and his own status so he tried to bury it by taking the tenno, which were his last living memory of margulis and turning them into a weapon against the sentient, and then in the events of the sacrifice it is revealed that balas also intended to betray the orokin because of their execution of margulis. natah at hunhows direction infiltrated the orokin empire, and mimicked margulis to subvert balas, giving him the only thing that could ease his grief by literally raising the dead from the jade light. balas at some point during the events of the old war caught on natah was a sentient, probably pretty early on. and then it became a game of double agent bullshit that isnt really explained. the short and gritty of it, was that in the process of infiltrating, natah taking margulis's role also became the de facto mother figure for the tenno, and since lotus had crossed the gap with hunhow she would never bear children of her own. hunhow's last directive was for the natah to obliterate the orokin. balas's directive was to essentially create old war narmer and take away his own pain and grief hence the veils. and natah wanting to be a mother created the lotus personality as a middle ground where she cared only for the tenno. she made the tenno slaughter the orokin, sealed hunhow away on neptune and then sent the tenno to sleep for thousands of years (presumably. we dont know how long ago the old war was exactly. but it was long enough that even the ruins of the orokin empire are crumbling with exception of lua) the drifter bit is easier to explain. in the flashbacks we are told the principles of eternalism and presentism. outside of the void presentism reigns. inside the void eternalism reigns. when balas stabbed your operator and started the drifter arc. he moved the focal point of the origin system (you, the player) into the void. essentially resetting the loop of the zariman accident, during your flashback in the void, the drifter swapped places with you, and YOU existed in the drifter's shoes for the ENTIRE DURATION OF ALL OF THE EVENTS OF THE GAME, within the void. you experienced the months long timeframe of void time in the zariman that coincided with thousands of years of linear time simultaneously. when you shook hands with "hey kiddo" in the flashback you were REMAKING the deal with the man in the wall and fulfilling the premise of eternalism, the flash where you saw all the different copies of you collapsing then saw the drifter again, was the flashpoint of the first handshake crossing the void boundary and switching places back with the drifter. think of it like making a pocket universe of a pocket universe. things got really screwy because balas inadvertently took away then gave you your powers back in the same move.

[@SG.N0taill]

1:19:08 the Sentient were created by the Orokin empire, environment adaptive sentient A.I to colonize other worlds and prepare them for humanity arrival... But the Sentient gone rogue against mankind and thus Orokin and Sentient went to war, The Old War.

[@Cornu341]

They went rogue because they detected the kill switch built into them which would activate after they prepared Tau for human settlement.

[@joonashannila8751]

Lotus/Margulis/Natah are all the same person. "Hey kiddo" is The Man in the Wall.. A cosmic entity. A cosmic horror. And of the major villains of the grand scheme of things. Kinda like a godlike being who remains a mystery intentionally.. That is what a cosmic horror needs to be, so it most likely always will have some of that

[@TheIndigoEclipse]

Can't wait to see Marco do the Whispers in the walls. The Void/wally stuff gets crazy.

[@LieutenantTryhard]

I just finished the New War myself the Day you posted this Vid so seeing it like this from a different perspective while it's still fresh in my own mind is incredible

[@Capitan_Captain]

i watched the entire stream, from the start. Is really different to look at someone playing this quest before some years, i really enjoy watching your streams as someone that doesnt know the story til the present time, and your reactions are really similar as when i played it, is so nostalgic man.

[@potitus8751]

I wish we can use those UI. The Grineer UI gives a Doom feel of design, and I like the crosshair on the Corpus ui

[@KategariYami]

The New War... Man what an experience it was when I did this 2yrs ago. I feel like the name of the quest isn't about some new war with the Sentients or with Narmer, that was a continuation of the Old War. Instead it's about the new war against Wally. And the Wally saga is already off to a strong start.

[@RiftingSpire]

To be real i chose NT lotus was already what i knew and Marg was just what was forced but to me Nata was to move ahead into the future with all of the scars mixed together we bleed but bleeding together makes the pain of losing less brutal when you accept the ugly and pain that still lingers and move ahead to a future that is needed not desired...

[@Desdemona-XI]

One of the things that often gloss over. Is that you dont choose who lotus becomes, you only choose which of the three aspects of her, takes the fore. Lotus becomes like the morrigan, the fates, the triune goddess, the maiden the mother and the crone. Margulis embodied mercy, healing, and a gentle nature, where natah was strength, war, and cruelty in necessity. But lotus embodies the balance of them

[@robertpopa2628]

Some of my thought's While ballas mourns margolis, I think it was ballas that whispered in the ears of the council, causing her death, removing the tenno's adoptive mother, and protector. All so he could have control over the tenno. But control was problematic, so he took natah and turned her into the lotus, controlling the tenno through her. To me, Ballas is the great trickster and corruptor.

[@DVAted]

Watched this whole video, brought me back through the story a lot. Thanks for sharing and streaming!

[@ankokuraven]

Dream Not of what you are But of what you want to be. I made the same choice at the end there.

[@shadow0fx]

I really do love New War. Sure it’s not as deep as Sacrifice and Chains but what it lacks in a gripping personal story it makes up for in a gripping arc conclusion. More than ever, Lotus is given the development to fully form her character. The themes of domestic abuse are so heavy in New War and I was enthralled by how well DE pulled it off. It was such a good risk

[@rosshaikenleonen1416]

I played this quest in one sitting because I do not feel good not having the actual Lotus talking to me so I wanted her back so badly. I missed out on that cool log in screen.

[@mohdnazimrosli8535]

Marco , have u try listening to both "we lift together" and "For Narmer" both at the same time , its creepy how both these song chorus mix so well together and do take note that both this song was created years apart!

[@steadfastscout4606]

Bro got to Jakel and said, "So this is why it takes 6hrs" I'm ded

[@spike315]

Did i watch the stream? Yes Will i watch this also? Also yes

[@MarcoMeatball]

i appreciate you

[@Flweem]

New War didn't really hit me right, when it came out. With time, it's become one of my favorite parts. Hunhow is absolutely a highlight. I absolutely adore his voice.

[@PAX-d3i]

from 7 hours vod to 1 hours edited supercut with timestamp dude you cooked this video

[@MarcoMeatball]

Thank you a lot

[@Cie_Kite]

*Wally appear* Marco: "Oh. My. F*cking. God!!!" Well… basically, yeah ! I mean, that's pretty much what he is x)

[@Rajclaw]

We don’t know exactly what Wally is but he is not a god, he is powerful snd otherwordly but he has limits, so not a god

[@VANhasVOICE]

Warframe is one of the things that make me wish we could mindblow ourselves just to experience this epicness for the first time AGAIN. Like Hunhow's part. God. Damn. Was I feeling comraderie with Shadow when tenno pulled up "Not if you help me" line out of fucking nowhere lmao. Rip Shadow's neck from that snap xD

[@CrabyMan]

I love seeing people enjoying Warframe, it really is a gem. In my opinion, one of the only games that actually got free to play to kinda work. Super excited for whatever Warframe 1999 story quest will be.

[@__Albin__]

I've seen solid arguments for choosing all names, but I too went with Lotus. To me, Margulis is who Ballas wanted her to be. Natah is who she was born to be. Lotus is who she choose to be.

[@cosmiclive4437]

I love the breacher moa so much "Glorious Destruction!"

[@joshuakeller7217]

33:00 there are atleast 26 million registered users

[@landkruzer100]

Meatball: im eager to see how we get our warframe powers back. Us: thats the neat part, you dont. Enjoy.

[@AzurKutsuu]

I remember it takin me a solid hour to get past the "stealth" part with the decaons in Fortuna, glad to see Marco still enjoying all the story bits even if it's a bit hard to keep everything straight. I know if anyone wants to deep dive into the lore there's a few channels about it but StallorD has a pretty good coverage, and iirc Brozime made a video that hits the important bits.

[@MrSomeKindOfNature]

Such a great journey. Been loving every step of it! Much love Marco

[@deadone1383]

i like to belive that in for the Narmor "for we all one" and the whole sound of this is just like darker version of "we all lift together". There is still Solaris inside, locked deep within, but they are still there

[@panhead_0511]

Thanks so much for uploading!

[@MarcoMeatball]

No problem!

[@StarfieldDisarray]

People have been suggesting lore channels, one lore video I'd recommend is Brozime's Warframe Timeline video. It's not going to be as detailed and in-depth as lore breakdowns from dedicated lore channels but it's a good cliff notes of the important things and was made as a sort of "Lead Up to Duviri" primer.

[@Ashilean]

It's certainly not lost while playing as the Drifter, but the final mission as the operator hit *really* hard for me. Watching basically your parents in this horrible, abusive relationship fight while you as a child are struggling to even be able to influence it. Thank you for the edit, it was fun listening to your thoughts! I always crave replaying games like this vicariously through people playing them for the first time.

[@aphermion]

I like the grandiose, but I also like the small and personal. Warframe can pull it off, it works. Sure, some moments in New War could have been more fleshed out, like Erra's death (probably?). But not to the point of ruining anything because it still makes sense. We rarely get to chose how glorious our final moment will be. Though, I guess it still felt personal. Just on a larger scope. We got to see with how much dedication the Grineer fight, and get so see their human side. Kahl fought for a future, for his Brothers. Then Veso, someone who obviously has authority to the point of issuing a shipwide override, but just didn't have the recklessness required to climb the corporate ladder much further. Both of them in essence good people and we probably cut down endless amounts of good people when taking a Warframe into battle. Then of course, the Man in the Wall a.k.a Wally a.k.a. The Indifference a.k.a. Ma dude. We owe him our life, but to what end. To this day I don't think he's evil, nor indifferent for that matter. But more on that when you catch up fully. EDIT: spelling

[@TabbyVee]

1:52:40 Amazingly put, but I have to remind you of the start of the quest, because its amazingly mirrored here. "We. Are seasons. All of us. Growing in the light. Fading in the dark. At once the same. Yet... ever changed." - Ballas

[@FiresoundStudios]

Got part way through the video. Replayed new war and finished the video. It's just so good.

[@TheHeadsHunter]

The way I see it, your observation about body parts holds the key to the whole thing, as every single person who has ever come into contact with Wally seems to have lost one, be it parvos, lotus, Albrecht, and even the drifter, but then, in the New War cinematics, we are shown multiple versions of ourselves, who die one after the other, until only two remain, meaning that they were somehow discarded, I believe that Wally's behavior and various covert deals with various characters through the game so far tend to indicate that he is searching for something, or rather, someone, he tries with whoever he encounters, only to move on to the next candidate upon failure, and I believe that what he is searching for is an actual body, a physical form to inhabit and be able to physically interact with the origin dimension, while at the same time getting rid of any obstacles (factions) in the way, I think that Wally has already concluded that the body he's searching for is a Tenno, and what he's doing now is to determine, by way of elimination, which of the Tenno, and which version of said Tenno is the one he is looking for.

[@MEYH3M]

I love that his Drifter is just a Gigachad 😂😂

[@LoganSuprise]

I can't wait to see Marco react to whispers in the wall. The music is absolutely top notch.

[@darkmega24ify]

I chose Natah at the end of this quest (after 30 minutes of mulling it over) because that form is her truth and origin. In a way, I see it as her taking back who she was while keeping er experiences to heart in a sort of do-over. I kinda was hoping to see you react to her inbox message. It really was something to behold.

[@ninjab33z]

It has only occured to me while watching this that the man in the wall isnt talking about the other kids in the zariman when he mentions "saving all of them" or at least he isnt *only* tslking about the zariman kids.

[@wackslap]

When Hemhaw said the line it made me sad 😥

[@SG.N0taill]

1:22:47 well, the "hey, kiddo" is not the older version of Tenno, it is the entity from the Void whom keep haunting the Tenno

[@Nopebot]

Natah is the life that she left. Margulis is the life she was forced into. The Lotus is the one she formed for herself. The Lotus is the only correct choice.

[@Zephyrbal]

I can't wait for him to have access to the Lore PC. Also, people who pick Margulis should be on a list.

[@rRekko]

But all 3 are herself. Natah is who she was born as, then she consumed and assimilated Margulis by order of Ballas but she then decided to put on the helmet and become Lotus instead. Hunhow wants her to be Natah, her obedient daughter. Ballas wants her to be Margulis, his loving wife. Lotus is who she ultimately chose to be. Also, i picked Margulis so what? Lotus is Margulis with a helmet, Natah is a destroyer of worlds. The only reason Natah 'turned good' was because of her mission to assimilate Margulis and use the Tenno to get rid of the Orokin, but thanks to Margulis memories being implanted in her, she fell in love with the Tenno and ended up adopting and protecting them, making them her own family, as she couldn't have one of her own because she is sterile. People who think picking Margulis is creepy and rapey/abusive/whatever are just plain wrong. 'Choosing Margulis is like having Ballas get what he wanted in the end' even tho he doesn't. Making her become Natah is telling her to adopt the form she had when she was a servient on a mission to just genocide everything that wasn't a sentient. And lastly, making her be the Lotus is telling her to adapt the personality that was born out of the memories of Margulis being injected into her, making her fight an internal war which Margulis won as she became the Lotus to protect the Tenno instead of disposing of them after accomplishing her mission of making them betray the Orokin.

[@elfguy2007]

the cutscenes in this game are such a treat the dialog and expressions dont feel forced just everything about the story telling is just so good.

[@craig1800]

Margulis was the human lover of Ballas who defended the Tenno when the first war ended, she fought to prevent them from being executed, and secreted them away into the first dream. She was executed with the Jade light and Ballas lost his mind. When he encountered Natah, who was a mimic created to infiltrate the orokin and kill the Tenno operators. He noted her mimicry and made her into a version of Margulis call "The Lotus", programming her with the parts of Margulis memories that served his purposes.