Marder: The Cold War-era fighting vehicle heading to Ukraine explained

Marder is a Cold War-era, troop-carrying infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), designed to keep mechanised battle groups up to speed with their fast-moving tanks.
Ukraine is set to receive a number of the German vehicles to help in their fight against Russia - but what is the Marder and how can it help on the ground?
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[@bobthecanon3457]

The Marder is a really good IFV, even if it is already old, but here too, various modernizations have always kept it in good shape. As a Marder A5, he no longer uses the MILAN, but MELLS and can fight heavy Russian tanks up to 4,000 meters. The 20mm is very accurate and can fire different types of ammunition... the rate of fire is also very high. I think the Marder is a great asset for Ukraine.

[@paulschab8152]

Who is going to maintain it lol?

[@kralikkral5560]

@@paulschab8152 Look, I was in hundreds of metall factories in CZ an SK, and most employees were ...guess...Ukrainians

[@paulschab8152]

@@kralikkral5560 What does that have to do with maintaining a German IFV? It takes logistics and training.

[@Nero-Caesar]

does it have an atgm

[@Biervampir92]

@@paulschab8152 Who is maintaining all the other German vehicles? Seems to be working just fine

[@marcranger4596]

One of the best looking ifv's

[@Andyb2379]

Thank you to our German brothers & sisters for your assistance. Much love your friends & allies in the UK 🇬🇧🇩🇪🇺🇦

[@arminkaiser8933]

Hard to say but genetically your brothers and sisters are the russians.

[@ulikaplani1039]

🤣🤣🙈🙈🙊🙊

[@ulikaplani1039]

@@unlink1649 ihr versteht den Konflikt nicht..! USA versucht ,Russland aus Europa raus zu halten ,Wirtschaft der Europa zu zerstören und wie vor 80 Jahren wieder Marshall Plan..! Sie wollen niemals eine Allianz zwischen Deutschland und Russland..!

[@axmat3436]

@@unlink1649 Why not you? The gummy bear foreign legion of Ukrainians need a few Bakhmut defenders. Because the majority is already dog food anyway

[@somyle5470]

Finally nato get together again. Looked like we all Split slowly apart

[@chaosXP3RT]

God Bless Ukraine's Quartermasters, Mechanics and other logistics personnel! Please don't go insane with all the different weapons and vehicles!

[@PHOBOS1708]

The Marder has thermal sights! A big advantage on the battlefield!

[@Iskelderon]

And they've been improved over several tech generations with knowledge from countless NATO exercises all geared to train defense against a Russian invasion.

[@Growlerinthebush]

They came in just before I was posted to BAOR 51 years ago, there were some problems but they were quickly ironed out, had some cross one of our bridges on an FTX in 1972/3 faster than a FV432.

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

There is no point in sending small numbers of vehicles to allow Ukraine to hold the ground and defend. They need enough vehicles to put together a offensive battlegroup that can advance and clear ground in the coming summer fighting. Otherwise the war will just drag on.

[@marsnz1002]

It's far easier to prep and send a small batch to allow Ukraine to get used to it before further batches are sent. Ukraine started with only 4 HIMARS if you remember.

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

@@marsnz1002 Maybe, but they still have limited offensive capability. Just maintaining enough forces to stop the russians isn't enough. Most attacks need a local superiority of 3:1 as a minimum to have any chance of winning a battle.

[@kopite8971]

The fact is the war will drag on for as long as Russia can afford it, unfortunately. Ukraine resilience will depend on the west to continue supplying Ukraine with the means. WW1 took 7 years until it actually kicked off. Stand strong Ukraine. ...

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

@@kopite8971 sadly you are correct

[@kopite8971]

@@jjsmallpiece9234 unfortunately so. Hopefully I'm proven wrong, but I don't see it.

[@pantherowow77]

Russian bots inbound!

[@joshhanklon]

@Dawn Razor one spotted, more inbound

[@Stein871]

@@joshhanklon try forming a coherent response or challenge the one you accuse of being a russian bot instead of showing that your IQ is lower than a normal house plant and that your have no opinion of your own

[@joshhanklon]

@@Stein871 ok, let's have a coherent back and fourth. What are your opinions on the Russo Ukrainian war.

[@Stein871]

@@joshhanklon Ukraine due to poor leadership and decision making deserves everything that happened in the past 9 years. Removal of a democratically elected president via a coup orchestrated by neonazis. Banning the teaching of other languages in school for minorities. Banning political opponents from running for public office positions. NATO tricked Russia using the Minsk Agreements to allow Ukraine's military buildup and the fortification of the Donbas front. Boris Johnson barged into the peace talks and prevented Zelensky from signing the peace offer from Russia. Zelensky is sacrificing tens of thousands of men on the altar of NATO.

[@joshhanklon]

@@Stein871 I don't think that and some of those are wacko conspiracy theory but. I don't think that the election was rigged by neo Nazis. Ukraine after the invasion of Crimea has the right to build up near its borders. Ukraine was not a existential threat to Russia. I can see why russia invaded considering its proximity to Moscow. Good points though.

[@danielwhyatt3278]

Now, we can almost certainly add Challenger 2 tanks to this brilliant list. WE’RE FINALLY DOING IT PEOPLE.👏🏻👏🏻

[@marcusaetius9309]

Do you really think that a handful of IFVs and tanks will make a difference against thousands on the other side?

[@Bigdangleebles]

No we’re not! The Army brass has catastrophically fckd up land vehicle procurement to replace cr2, warrior and cvr that we have nothing spare to send. 12-billion £ has been lost in failed programs.

[@christoff124]

oh yeah all 10 challenger tanks. real big help. wasnt the t90 designed to kill challengers abrams and leopard 2s.. yes. yes it was.

[@vloplob]

@@christoff124 Good thing that they only have like 20 of those..

[@christoff124]

@@vloplob the official number is 12. Announced yesterday. 🤣🤣🤣

[@h.i.sjoevall4213]

Well done Germany! 🇩🇪🇺🇦

[@paintballusa1658]

Thank you Germany 🇩🇪 Every piece of artillery helps Ukraine reach their objective 👍👏

[@joshuawood2196]

The objective is to launder American money through aid to Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@BingoPaletot]

Hands across the sea! 🇺🇲🇺🇦🇩🇪

[@samleechjourno]

Ukraine deserves 🐆

[@ianmurray4081]

Outstanding! Cheers 🍻, take care and stay frosty ☃️ 🇨🇦🫡🇺🇦🫡🇬🇧☃️

[@kralikkral5560]

Marder seems to be quite unimpressive - b u t: it is reliable, uncomplicated, quick and if equipped with Milan it has also the neccessary fire power. The cannon has a smaller calibr, but this brings the advantage that there are many rounds onboard. If Ukraine would have 200 of them, combined with 50-60 Leo2 / Challenger2 and covered by 10 Gepard tanks against air assaults plus several batteries of long range artillery, this can make a frontline collaps - provided that the Russians are not able to bombard all the fleet with heavy artillery nonstop or fly precision strikes in high altitutes (as we know they are not able to do this).

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

the thing is, there are no 200 Marder around to be spared. its 40 in industry storage, the remaining ones are in active use of the army in the combat brigades. and there has been no production of Marder since 1976. its quite obsolete as a system and should have been replaced as planned in the 90´s by Marder 2, but that project got cut due to budget reasons. Puma is the current replacement, 25 years later.

[@sorincaladera936]

The average vehicle it will engage are BMP-1's, not even the 2's anymore. Edit, the problem will probably be ammo, just like the Gepards. Germany will send ukraine vehicles, but shrug when it comes to supply ammo for said vehicles.

[@Stein871]

germany doesn't have 200 marders in combat readiness state lmao

[@BRANFED]

and who will man this force you talk of? takes time to train crews unless you are suggesting that sheep-dipped nato soldiers or perhaps nato openy do the operating..

[@kralikkral5560]

@@sorincaladera936 In case of Gepard it is not Germany`s fault. The Swiss are the fools - Gepard has Örlikon cannons, Swiss made, and CH refuses ammo for them, as they want to stay "neutral" - do you know how many billions of every currency Russian mafia from Kremlin is hiding in CH, that is the true reason

[@electronicfarts5105]

Strange how the Marder (Martin) went from a SPG in ww2 to an IFV haha.

[@basilfawlty123]

Same as how the Challenger went from being a mediocre lightly armoured anti-tank cruiser to the 70 tonne heavy MBT it is today.

[@georgegeorgakopoulos5956]

In Forces News we trust

[@nathanruben3372]

looks far better than bmp's...

[@larrynivren8139]

If used correctly they are DEADLY

[@guyh.4553]

Impressive! I like it. Has speed, range, and weaponry for survivability. Not sure about AT Survivability though

[@leeneon854]

Decent IVF with 20mm, good for anti-aircraft and Milan ATGM, pretty fast as well, as carrying squad of troops.

[@samwatson2373]

Which variant are they sending? Hope there's a big spares package too

[@BritishBeachcomber]

It's going to be a logistics nightmare for Ukraine, maintaining all that new kit, including the British Challenger 2 main battle tank, if we actually send it.

[@MyDania2009]

And soon you can add Leopards 2! This won´t take long :)

[@Lorryslorryss]

German news is calling this a tank, which kind of annoys me. "Germans are sending the Marder Tank" they say. Usually it's fine to call Self Propelled Artillery or Anti-Aircraft Guns Tanks as far as I'm concerned. It doesn't usually matter in the civilian context. But this week is does, because the Germans are blocking the Leopard 2 from going and that matters.

[@johola]

IFV's are called "Schützenpanzer" in Germany. As long as they dont call it a "Kampfpanzer", its not even wrong...

[@BigDsGaming2022]

let them wean themselves

[@somyle5470]

I thought no country officially ask to send them. Only poland talking to the Media and 2 finnish Ministers beeing a holes. Hope it starts finally but as far as i know Our Vize Kanzler even gave green light if they finally ask for it

[@tomgoluke1425]

However I am not sure if the MILAN is being delivered to. There where reports I. The German press that those are not included. Which would make sense as it is no stretch to assume that Germany does not have enough MILAN munitions to fully arm up all 40. not even just once.

[@somyle5470]

France already sended milan to ukraine

[@Channel-os4uk]

It's marder out there..

[@billwhoever2830]

These are not meant to defeat tanks, their role is to support infantry. The same goes with the AMX10, the 105mm gun it has fires HE only and has zero capability against armor. Its not a standar NATO 105mm. There is not talk about ATGMs being sent. The ATGMs are a pack of their own and the vehicles can be sent with no ATGMs. They will still be very functional IFVs (infantry fighting vehicles) and not tank fighters.

[@maximilianrediger98]

The us is sending 10 laws per bradley and the germany is doing the same

[@billwhoever2830]

@@maximilianrediger98 The bradley doesnt fire nlaws, the bradley fires TOW missiles. Marders fire Milan missiles. Id like to read your source because I was realy searching about the marder package. I asumed it was sent with no ATGMs because this is how most equipment is sent to Ukrane, with the expensive parts removed. Take the M777 which were sent without the targeting computers (the main part that made them any good). Even if TOWs and Milans are sent, their effectiveness is low against the ERA equiped tanks of Russia. TOWs have failed to kill t72s in Iran proving that they are not straight forward a tank killer, the Milans are even worse ofc. Both TOWs and Milans require the fire platform to stay stationary to guide the missile, putting the IFV in big danger against a tank equiped with a stabilized gun, firing on the move. So, the IFVs are stil infantry fighting vehicles, not tank destroyers, this is how they were designed.

[@Dante-cq2zo]

That's completely false, Marder and AMX 10 RC have prety decent Anti tanks capabilities. Milan for the Marder and OFL 105 F3 for the AMX that can penetrate more than 360mm at 60° angle at 1.5km. Which means most of soviet tanks can be penetrated at this distance.

[@BigDsGaming2022]

the Bradleys are the tank killers

[@christoff124]

keep in mind ukraine has lost over 17000 vehicles already. im sure these 50 marders are going to turn the tide. you guys really gotta stop reading western propaganda.

[@therealdohos2607]

the marder has many variants it could be cool if youtubers could name the proper model when making videos about em

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

While Bradley and Amx are good hitters this thing will help as troop transporter

[@ponce1741]

Thank you to our German brothers & sisters for your assistance

[@BingoPaletot]

We haven't done enough yet. I hope Leopard 2 will be rolling into Ukraine along Challenger 2 soon. 🇬🇧🇺🇦🇩🇪

[@BootneckAlphaKilo]

These with Bradley’s and the Tanks......good luck Ivan, you’re going to need it 😊

[@aurathedraak7909]

So about that logistics? All these different types of hardware and guns and stuff. Just stick with one brand.

[@NotUnymous]

Yeah... but you know... different countries have different "stuff". Germany cant deliver Bradleys because they dont have them. So what now? Let Ukrianien be shot to death because we want them to not have different types of hardware...? -.-

[@Vatnik_tschistilka]

They just gonna get used concentrated in one area. Probably either around Kreminna or in the South.

[@ricardohumildebrabo]

Damn, I wonder the situation of what it is replacing lmao.

[@TaskSwitcherify]

If it's so great, how come the video footage is from the 90's

[@garand999]

then the German old scrap still has the honor to prove itself against Russian scrap, the years of construction are similar

[@sorincaladera936]

But what if the Russians just call it a boomer, and hurt its feelings?

[@NotUnymous]

Sure. Same goes for the Bradley.

[@MostlyPennyCat]

I love the Spartan APCs we (☕🧐🇬🇧) have them and how they're being used. Absolutely perfect vehicle, _very_ fast and can float over the mud where soldiers sink to their waists. Very glad to see these old war horses (or ponies in Spartan's case) get to do what they were built for

[@augustiner3821]

The Ukrainian soldiers are looking forward to this delivery.

[@marvin2678]

we all know the german tech will win

[@bremnersghost948]

If Ajax had been on time, Then we would likely have seen Warriors being sent to Ukraine with C2, As it is we still need all the Warriors.

[@jimknopf8281]

Bye,Bye BMPT.💛💙

[@MattPerdeck]

How many are being sent? What version? If they are "cold ware era", would they still be effective against modern Russian weapons?

[@bertm8621]

The Russian vehicles are Cold War vehicles, too!

[@BigDsGaming2022]

modern orctard weapons ? where the hell is that ?

[@maxb5957]

Max was here

[@sudathabayawickrama1444]

RUSSIA FIGHT AGAINST NOT WITH UKRAINE BUT WITH WHOLE WEST. THANK YOU 💐

[@skinny1968]

I don't know if a marder or a bradly is a good match for a t72.

[@KingSpittusFactus]

Bradleys killed more T72s than abrams in iraq

[@skinny1968]

@@KingSpittusFactus thanks I didn't know that.

[@ivangim1]

Send whatever you can get your hands on to the Ukrainians, Olaf. Make it quick! They need it yesterday!

[@larrynivren8139]

Made to support troops in Town-Battlefield and made also to support MAIN BATTLE TANKS.... LEO 2 missing.....

[@fun3000able]

Great news for Ukrain.

[@ricardohumildebrabo]

You see it that way? Gonna ignore the fact that they are pretty much dry of their own IFV's and tanks? That's the primary reason they are recieveing new vehicles. Also, replace all vehicles if you can, but you can never replace the crew.

[@garagenigel]

Excellent vehicles! A bit old but they haven't been used much!

[@EpicThe112]

If Produced as of right now the problem is that it's Russian equivalent the BMP is cheaper to buy in the world markets than a Marder. Question is this is Marder Milan ATGM affected by Russian Shtora APS the red eye found on the T-90 command tank T-90AK or not? If yes then the Ukrainian Operator must use the American West Point Modern War Institute tactical of aiming 3 vehicle lengths away to prevent Shtora APS from being used against Milan ATGM

[@MostlyPennyCat]

No, it's not, but unfortunately because the Israelis are spineless, they're not giving Germany permission to give Milans to Ukraine. 🇬🇧 ☕😠🖕🇮🇱

[@marsnz1002]

T90 is only in Ukraine in small numbers and performing as badly as the rest of the Russian tank arm. I doubt anyone is concerned by what Russian tanks can do 'on paper' anymore.

[@stephenbrand5661]

The only people who think Shtora still works are those who use it in vidya games.

[@ddshiranui]

Shtora can affect both MILAN and TOW, yeah. But the Ukrainians have received both missile systems months ago, so presumably they already have some experience using them by now

[@dougcoombes8497]

Ukraine received Milan ATGMs in April of last year and have been using them effectively in combat for months. They mount them on buggies as highly mobile anti-tank systems. The Milan on the Marders will do just fine taking out Russian tanks.

[@marcusaetius9309]

Nice unit but unfortunately it will burn in this conflict…

[@marcusaetius9309]

@@unlink1649 Well actually that’s the problem isn’t it? There aren’t “plenty more”…..

[@notanindividual6474]

Just because it was used in a low threat environment like Afghanistan does not make it combat proven.

[@IceBreaker.22]

Game changer 🤣🤣🤣

[@dlk190239]

They also need Leopards

[@garethhayes9982]

Still better than ajax 👀👀👀

[@AtheistOrphan]

My old Vauxhall Astra is better than Ajax.

[@garethhayes9982]

@Atheist Orphan lets not loose are minds vauxhalls are dogshit

[@zwotonner6071]

Oh the burn!

[@jackcrompton92]

Tab’ing is better than ajax

[@djmeechymeech]

So they're sending Benz fighting vehicles?

[@rafal5389]

have the 500 helmets promised by Germany at the beginning of the war arrived yet?

[@OrientalOreo]

What is the hold up on tanks? Is nato afraid of classified armor getting into Russian hands?

[@phucknuts.7065]

That must be taken into account

[@lullu311]

Germany does not want to give offensive weapons to Ukraine out of fear of further escalation. And because they hold the licenses to all approx 2000 Leopard II tanks in active service in NATO, nobody can give any to Ukraine without German government consent.

[@superiortech12]

will german tanks help ukraine? cancellation of tank deliveries has been blowing since last year

[@nlomas]

The same year the Marder went into production the war in Vietnam ended. A 45 year old vehicle. The fact it takes months for Germany to decide to send into a war zone what it was going to send to a scrapyard is amazing.

[@YouTyranny]

You have to take into consideration the dynamics of this conflict. It's like a game. It's about gradual escalation. You could argue, that the west is doing this to not provoke Russia too much. Or, if you want to have a more malevolent point of view, maybe they are giving just enough support that the conflict keeps on going without one side winning. It's not about decisions from 3rd grade Nato member governments and what they are able to do or willing to do in political terms or logistical terms. One has to look at the greater picture, not on "oh this fance gun is delivered" and 6 month later "oh now this fancy rocket launcher is deployed! Finally!". That's alls just circus for the masses.

[@redeemerpilot9338]

doesnt matter. Easy to handle, quickly to learn, ready to fight. Thats the fact. Too late? Of course...

[@nlomas]

@@redeemerpilot9338 it’s slightly better than a M113 but without the numbers. Hardly going to change the course of the battlefield. The UK has announced the Challenger 2 but Ukraine needs 100’s not 10 to make a difference. There needs to be a supply of standard tank to simplify training, logistics and maintenance. Not a piecemeal supply of 45 year old equipment.

[@phooogle]

@@nlomas The Challenger 2s that are going are most likely designed to be a tipping point idea. Around 12 are prob gonna be donated which is enough to create a squad of them (can't remember the proper name) but it shows willingness to provide heavy weaponry. I think the idea is to show other allies that it's okay to provide advanced kit. Everyone is a little reticent to escalate and someone has to go first. It might open the gates to other nations sending better gear.

[@hansulrichboning8551]

@@nlomas 50 year old and much better than M113 that can be penetrated by small arms.

[@rain-er6537]

mph for german vehicle...

[@Micha-qv5uf]

It's for an american audience though

[@pilot341]

See what they are developing German Army.

[@tiagomonteiro130]

Developing that thing is old and not in use anymore

[@ddshiranui]

@@tiagomonteiro130 It's in the process of being phased out and replaced by the Puma, but the latter was not expected to be combat ready until 2025 so the Marder is still very much in use

[@UnitedUA]

== Western Tanks on the way to Roast them Orcs! 😀 Pootin Fails, Ukraine prevails! 💛💙

[@zdravkoavdalovic3131]

I suggest to send more beavers from NATO counters to enforce the border with Belorussia

[@fulviopolce9785]

E questo cosa sarebbe? Un camper.... Ma per favore!!!!...Rispetto alla genialità e capacità tecnologica russa non c'è paragone ,,così come altri....

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

Can you believe how happy our Marders (martens) must be to finally be in the wild to hunt?! Leopards still hopeful, Pumas crying their eyes out as their supposed prey might be close to extinction ..with RuZZia's economy and therefore also its military capabilities crumbling.

[@somyle5470]

They already did a good job in Afghanistan. Showed the World tjey can take a heavy punsh. Hope the ukrainians dont use them with russian tactics

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

@@somyle5470 Afghanistan, though, was rather a defensive scenario, backing up lighter infantry units and not facing any opponent AFVs. The Ukrainians have already adopted western military doctrine and they'll probably accept some more western advice, especially from the US and UK. I'd guess they'll be operating together with the Challies and maybe other western MBTs with similar tactics as used by western military, as soon as those MBTs are ready.

[@somyle5470]

@@damianm-nordhorn116 the ukrainians still drive towards the enemy over open fields...so yes they need more Training. And still...the marders got beat up in Afghanistan with rpgs and even 200kg(tank Mine 40kg) ieds and only 1 died in them. They can take a lot( i think mastiffs were impressiv too). And yes a tank can get them done...but like i saud...that is not its propose and they shlouldnt be near russian tanks if they were used right. Hope they have enough milans...i trust the french to send enough but i this war supriesed me a few Times more than i like.

[@imGeistevereint]

Calling the Marder a Cold War vehicle is like calling an abrams a Cold War vehicle. This thing got upgraded just like any other military hardware to modern standards.

[@rogerwilco5918]

So, when do you think the cold war was?? Who was the Abrams designs to fight?

[@billwhoever2830]

The abrams, leo2, t72, t80, t90 are all cold war vehicles. The modern German ifv is the Puma, in service since 2015. So yes, the Marder is an abandoned piece of hardware of the german military being sent to Ukraine.

[@imGeistevereint]

@@rogerwilco5918 the Cold War ended 1991 and the first abrams was delivered 1980.

[@imGeistevereint]

@@billwhoever2830 the Marder is still in active service with the bundeswehr.

[@rogerwilco5918]

@@imGeistevereint so what you're saying is that it's a cold war vehicle.

[@user-ri2hp3oo9n]

Enough scrap is there in ukraine

[@MRMK24]

A strong wet fart could destroy Russian tanks. Let's be honest about it.

[@sabre3923]

Boo! 0:05

[@lookingatchina4]

Pot-stewed goose

[@dougcoombes8497]

The IFV is just one element of the combined arms team, they need the MBTs to support them and provide support to MBTs. Ukraine needs many more MBTs to defeat Russian forces in country. That means more Challenger 2s, Leopard 2s and probably M1 Abrams. Russia has now mobilized probably well over 1 million men to fight this war and half measures won't work. If we're serious about providing Ukraine the means to end this war we need to send large numbers of both IFVs like Marder and Bradley and large numbers of MBTs and artillery support.

[@andreksjour]

They need a new army. Because what they started with got destroyed. If you want to end the war, you must start ww3, or negotiate with Rus. Anything in between is clearly, MIC profiteering.

[@dougcoombes8497]

@@andreksjour Ukraine has a new army, the same one that has defeated Russia in Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson. All Russia has left is Wagner criminals from Russian prisons and untrained mobik cannon fodder. There will be no negotiations because Putin has made it clear nothing he says can be trusted. The only way to end this war is to provide Ukraine with the means to force every last Russian soldier off of Ukrainian land. Which according to international law includes Crimea.

[@andreksjour]

@@dougcoombes8497 You said "Ukraine needs many more MBTs to defeat Russian forces in country. That means more Challenger 2s, Leopard 2s and probably M1 Abrams. Russia has now mobilized probably well over 1 million men to fight this war and half measures won't work." Your comments are contradicting. You are coping hard. What a shame.

[@BigDsGaming2022]

Ukraine has a 2.7 million man army

[@dougcoombes8497]

@@BigDsGaming2022 It has about 270,000 regular forces personnel and about 700,000 people in uniform now. With about 2 million reservists. Plus about 7 million men between the ages of 16 and 49 who are fit to serve. The bottleneck is in weapons and equipment, Ukraine only has a fraction of what it needs. The more stuff we get there the faster this war will end.

[@excellentsmithers6417]

They're going to make great woodstoves.

[@IVANGROZNEY]

These were pledged last spring at a rate of 10 a month. I'll believe it when I see it.

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

Not true.

[@somyle5470]

That was rheinmetall talking. Not the german goverment. Rheinmetall said they can send 50 gepard too...the talk a lot the last year. The goverment sended nearly all they promised in time

[@KarlHeinzSpock]

marder: unspectacular, handy, reliable, robust, very proven, combining mobility and protection. it is a great amplification to the ukranian army, as well as the bradley and the amx-10 with its huge firepower. it would be better to deliver a greater number of only one type of vehicle, to keep logistics and support more simple and effective. but we don't have enough vehicles of one type.

[@mattsmith-ri3lp]

Huge fire-power...lol

[@KarlHeinzSpock]

yes matt, given the fact, that we talk about troop carriers, the amx-10 has indeed huge firepower. its cannon is similar to the one of leopard1.

[@KingSpittusFactus]

@@KarlHeinzSpock AMX10 is not a troop carrier

[@KarlHeinzSpock]

@@KingSpittusFactus you're right, i made a translation error.

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

Please EXPEDITE DEAR GERMany.

[@renripari5514]

UKRAINE 🇺🇦 NEEDS !!! LARGER HAMARS LONGER RANGE , BATTLE TANKS THAT CAN SHOOT 150MM OR LARGER BECAUSE RUSSIA/PUTTIN WILL KEEP SENDING MOORE TROOPS . UNLESS THEY GET THERE ASSES KICKED ! KIND REGARDS AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺

[@sydmichel]

Better than Helmets I suppose.

[@mariobauer73]

I dont want to be in a trench that is hammered by 20mm HE from a marder…

[@christoff124]

a thermobaric volley can kill several marders at a time. keep in mind Ukronazis have lost 17000 military vehicles already. im sure 50 for more marders is going to help them finish of the russians.

[@KingSpittusFactus]

@@christoff124 yes yes and 2000 HIMARS and 400 F35s..

[@mariobauer73]

@@christoff124 thermobaric volleys are not part of this discussion. Everything can be killed by this.

[@mariobauer73]

@@christoff124 Nice story bro

[@christoff124]

@@KingSpittusFactus don't see Russia begging for more tanks.

[@txsixfirst]

Scrap metal 😂

[@joseantoniorodriguezhernan5972]

WITH NUKES, JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA ARE MORE FEARSOMES AND RESPECTABLES. NO NATO, NO QUAD! ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

[@minimax9452]

as a german: who has blown up the Nordstream-pipeline?

[@jackcrompton92]

U.K. sbs according to Russia 🙄

[@minimax9452]

@@jackcrompton92 May be the UK sank the french fleet in WW2 and they hate the EU. With such friends you don't need enemies 😅

[@hotdog9262]

@@minimax9452 the part of france who sided with hitler were not friends though

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

Whoever did it, helped this administration out of a dilemma. With the pipeline GONE, there was nothing left to discuss about RuZZian gas.

[@Vatnik_tschistilka]

@@damianm-nordhorn116 Technically there is still one string of NS2, which if the winter was really cold, could have created pressure on the government and created division among the allies. Points to a certain in the east.

[@phooogle]

1971.... 50 years ago :D It's like sending in a Sopwith Camel to fight a GR Tornado lol I know not the same but the timing.

[@nicolas2419]

50 years old... it is the case of lot of equipments in both sides in this war : BMP-1 (1966), T-64 (1966), T-72 (1973),....

[@phooogle]

@@nicolas2419 Aye, I know, I just had to laugh at the mental image of WW1 biplanes fighting jet fighters (as they're separated by the same number of years from 1971 to 2023).

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

Hey there, General Armchair, the Leopard 2 is in service since 1978 and the Abrams won't be much younger.

[@phooogle]

@@damianm-nordhorn116

[@Micha-qv5uf]

No Marder existing today is 50 years old or uses 50 year old technology. These comments really only come from people who have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

[@vovacricunov6424]

да уж ) вы будите сражаться до последнего украйнса )

[@williammartin9450]

Oooh, has this never been destroyed in battle either!? Until ....

[@Stein871]

they lost a few in Afghanistan, some to RPGs and one to an IED

[@addygreen8919]

It got destroyed in Afghanistan by a 200kg IED.

[@KBKriechbaum]

@@Stein871 The IED-one was totally blown up, tracks gone,, most wheels gone, turret gone, flipped over into a giant bomb crater, except for the driver, everybody else walked away. That was a 200kg IED

[@tamerlane7]

They seem like good machines. Hopefully they'll be able to delay the inevitable.

[@BingoPaletot]

They will speed up the inevitable collapse of the Russian front.

[@tamerlane7]

@@BingoPaletot That would have been possible before the partial mobilization when Ukraine srill enjoyed a numerical advantage. It's too little too late. We'll witness towns and cities fall one by one now, albeit slowly, as it's a slow grind.

[@aacvieira]

Sad Fennek is not to send. Russia could easily caught one or two (or all), or Ukraine sell them in black market at a fractional price. That car is a dream base, to built a caravan camping off-road project.

[@nihilmiror6312]

At the front they will last one day at best. 💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥

[@BigDsGaming2022]

boo hoo hoo

[@KingSpittusFactus]

like the himars?

[@somyle5470]

Yeah...like the himars...and the pzh2000 and the polish tanks...and the 777...and the air force😄 i can even remember the headline when the russian Departement of defence said ukraine has no Armee forces...in february😄

[@BRANFED]

combat tested it Afghanistan means almost nothing as that was a low intensity guerilla/insurgent supression combat and Ukraine is high intensity main force combart

[@Biervampir92]

It's better than BMP-1 and BMP-2 by any margin

[@BRANFED]

@@Biervampir92 that is an assumption based on national biases IMO..The marder has not been in main force high intensity combat before and if so, where? The BMP3 is superior to the marder and is quickly becoming the predominant IFV by russia

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

@@BRANFED There's no value in your talk. We'll SEE whether it's up to the task, no assumptions necessary. Meanwhile, how about you change your profile to your REAL team colors, ⬜🟦🟥?

[@Biervampir92]

@@BRANFED Marder 1A3 has far higher crew comfort and better protection than BMP-2. The gun should perform at about the same level, but has the advantage of thermal optics. Don't know where you get that info about BMP-3 from, you barely see them on the battlefield anymore because so many have been destroyed.

[@BRANFED]

@@damianm-nordhorn116 OHH i am pro-russian and have a custom avatar already made but i like this one.. you think i care what you think of me? ive never kept it a secret im pro-russian in this conflict because I believe they are on the right side of history. I still try to look at things objectively though.. everything I said it correct.. whether you agree with it or not is not my concern

[@mackjsm7105]

This is not the best.. none of these can fire the gun while on the move.. no stabilization system.. and their armor is thin.

[@KingSpittusFactus]

damn i forgot how thick the armor of the BMP is

[@innerlight7018]

It's more a APC than a IFV.

[@emilsinclair4190]

Nop

[@realQuiGon]

@innerlight7018 Absolutely not. German Panzergrenadiers doctrine is to fight mounted as much as possible and only dismount if absolutely necessary and for a short time. Even dismounted the troops fight closely torgether with the Marder. It's much more than just a battlefield taxi.

[@j.calvert3361]

The first real ifv in the West, when most other countries used battle taxis like the M113.

[@Micha-qv5uf]

Well a 20 mm canon is not a game changer. But it's still infinitely much more than a rifle so IFV is absolutely correct.

[@lesterquintrell4844]

And at the moment none of these Marders are even in running order, so sometime at the end of the year maybe.

[@CleanPickleRelish]

Thats not true lol. The 40 Marders will be taken from bundeswehr stock, and are ready to go right now. The bundeswehr will replenish from older industry stock, which might take some time. stop lying

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

@@CleanPickleRelish the Bundeswehr has currently about 180 running Marder. Those are needed in the VJTF. EFP Lithuania and other NATO commitments. Consider that they got at best a 70% readiness rate, in general it is lower than that.

[@MrDK0010]

Someone's clueless and mixing up Marders with Pumas lol

[@Micha-qv5uf]

Its the German Army that is useless. Not the German arms industry ;)

[@nellwhite5659]

al a fried orc bon appetite

[@dimaa13]

German engineering and technology is unbeatable, much respect from Israel.

[@rip2025]

Yeah they should be smoking wrecks in a couple weeks lol!!

[@KingSpittusFactus]

just like HIMARS right?

[@SharpCats371]

should add to the over 200,000 Ukraine troops dead

[@tiagomonteiro130]

Source trust me bro

[@joshhanklon]

@@tiagomonteiro130 the first "source trust me bro" I agree with.

[@varshavianka848]

@@tiagomonteiro130 That is actually correct, Ukrainian wounded and injured numbers are somewhat near to that, Ukrainian casualties however are estimated to be 97,000. According to U.S estimates.

[@Stein871]

@@tiagomonteiro130 source: count the fresh military graves, because and ukrainian already did that and they numbered near 120k on behalf of the Committee of Soldier's Mothers because the Ukrainian government is stonewalling the release of any information regarding to their losses to prevent "panicking and morale loss" of their troops

[@tiagomonteiro130]

@@Stein871 Then i don't even want to know about the Russian conscript casualties

[@speedyv6247]

this wont change much. its basically a BMP.

[@theodorkorner1497]

It's a Western IFV, which is better protected, is more comfortable, and has better optics than its Russian counterparts. No one sad it's a MBT...

[@speedyv6247]

@@theodorkorner1497 I dont think think a marder is gonna react any different than a BMP when it gets hit with artillery or an ATGM.

[@x67th]

@speedyV youve some seriously poor logic

[@sorincaladera936]

@@speedyv6247 implying russian arty can actually hit a vehicle, they can barely hit high rise apartments, as we've all seen in the past year. Sure with enough rounds fired, they'll hit something.

[@speedyv6247]

@@sorincaladera936 if Russian artillery can't hit anything then how has Ukraine run out of IFVs to the point they need even more donated from Germany?

[@mecrypto2500]

Didn't Russia beat them in WW2.???

[@nobodyherepal3292]

Not without help. And they lost to them in WW1

[@flyingrat492]

@Dawn Razor don’t compare modern joke Russia to pre 1980s Soviet Union

[@Stoners199]

no the marder was developed in the 70ies, almost 30 after ww2. man just have a look at the vehicle, its quite obvious

[@nobodyherepal3292]

@@dawnrazor2571 what’s the joke? German seems to be doing just fine 😉

[@Eleftheria_i_thanatos]

No, the allies did. Alliance- a group of countries, political parties, or people who have agreed to work together because of shared interests or aims: a military alliance NATO is sometimes called the Atlantic Alliance.

[@ryanwatson491]

Not enough German! Get your thumb out and start donating!

[@The_Stef]

Name me one European country that has been donating more than Germany

[@marvin2678]

like we already did ? where are you from ? its very unlikely that your country provided more aid

[@Micha-qv5uf]

Germany actually spend more money than any european country and the EU also donated more money than the US. Reality and public narrative are not always the same.

[@hansulrichboning8551]

@@marvin2678 Meanwhile the 3rd biggest donator after US and UK.

[@gregs9740]

Nothing is going to help Ukraine!!!!

[@marineforces3214]

… no one needs to fight Russia except maybe u … 👎

[@Micha-qv5uf]

You're Right. Russia is doing a good job fighting itself and it's own population xD

[@MrJohannespham]

They don't fight against Russia, they just fight the russian invaders!

[@Steinstra-vj7wl]

The history regarding the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. At the end of the Soviet Union the then leader Gorbachov made a gentleman agreement with the USA, EU and NATO agreeing that NATO would never expand towards the East - to Russia...(who violated the Minsk agreements? Angela Merkel have said that Minsk was never about peace, but to buy time so that they could arm Ukraine for a future attack against Russia !). So.. what is the history of this dispute? We must go back to the fall of the Soviet Union after which the Ukraine became an independent Country. The people of the Ukraine organized democratic held elections in which Viktor Yanukovych became President. Observers from the EU found nothing wrong with these elections. The voters voting for Yanukovych wished for their Country to stay neutral and to do trade with both the EU and Russia. But the WEF Globalist controlled EU told Yanukovych to only trade with them and he also had to make the Ukraine a member of NATO, or their would be no deal at all. Yanukovych refused. Biden, the CIA and the EU then did everything to remove Yanukovych from power - in which they succeeded in the year 2014 - to replace him by a corrupt Ukraine Oligarch by the name of Poroshenko. As soon as Poroshenko was installed is when he asked Obama ruled America and the EU / NATO for "protection" against Russia, and so the US and the EU promised to protect Poroshenko. Now feeling secure Poroshenko started to discriminate the Russian SPEAKING Ukrainians living in the east of Ukraine because they didn't want to become part of the EU or NATO as they were promised to stay neutral. So the Russian speaking Ukraine citizen got randomly bombarded by the Poroshenko regime and his successor Zelensky for 8 years straight - killing more then 14.000 civilians in the 'process'- to which they finally called Putin for help. Putin meanwhile asked the EU many times to stop their support for this Fascist regime (his pleading efforts were never ever shown in our Western media ! ) and the random killing, but instead they doubled their support for Poroshenko and the current ruler Zelensky. See how this works? Putin doesn't want Ukraine to become a NATO member. What would the USA do if Putin was to place troops and rockets along the south or northern US border.. would the USA say : "O please, go ahead " ? The truth is: WEF / EU Globalists want Putin be removed and replaced by some Russia corrupt traitor doing the wishes of the WEF Globalists. Make no mistake (and we see it clearly now in Canada, Australia and Europe) - the WEF Globalists want to rule the whole world; Communist style with Chinese style "social credit score". The Ukraine people should have decided to stay a neutral Country... works VERY well for Switzerland. If Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine would have formed a neutral zone situated between de EU / NATO and Russia there would never be war again. They should together be able to trade with the EU and with Russia too, and they should be allowed to have their own form of defense (industry). But this is made impossible because of evil people who love to hate, kill and destroy, and because of their love for power over others and their love for money, rather than to live in peace with each other. God said through Jesus to love our neighbor as we love ourselves - meaning everyone. The history and truth regarding this conflict must be told and spread throughout Armed Forces and throughout the world. Because if you believe the Western media - you, as a Soldier - will die for lies.

[@sven6748]

TL;DR: Russian Propagada

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

S, you Dumbo, THERE'S NO SUCH THING as a "gentlemen's agreement 🤝" in law of nations, EVERYTHING IS DONE IN WRITING AND SIGNED. ..ALWAYS! What you're referring to was a comment by an American official that this MIGHT be considered. However, this comment was made without backing by the US President or Secretary of State. ..which is exactly WHY NOTHING'S EVER DONE WITHOUT WRITING.

[@sven6748]

@@damianm-nordhorn116 I think, that you are referring to Steinstra and Not to ne, right?

[@damianm-nordhorn116]

@@sven6748 Right. I'll correct that. His name is Steinstra? I see "user..blabla number blabla".

[@Steinstra-vj7wl]

@@damianm-nordhorn116 Yes, so it was later done; written and signed in the now famous Minsk agreement documents .

[@Hawks1980]

Doubt it’ll ever be delivered to Ukraine. Germany always seems to find ways not to deliver

[@gertscheper9653]

Like the panzer houbitze 2000 and the panzerfaust 3 etc etcetera etcetera?

[@gertscheper9653]

And not to forget the gepard.

[@poltergeist909]

They cant deliver old and broken tanks. The Marders need to be fixed and upgraded first....

[@jurgenmuller143]

Is there no news in your bubble or can‘t you understand the news. Poor comment!

[@pfefferle74]

Or the IRIS-T

[@AttitudeAdjusterAA]

just give them tanks already, and planes and long range missiles

[@Micha-qv5uf]

Planes is very different story really. You can train somebody on a vehicle in a few weeks and it doesn't cost a lot. A hand full of western combat aircrafts cost more than some countrys yearly budget and training pilots takes years normally. With experienced people you can maybe go down to one year but thats it. It really is only efficient with the F16 since the US has a huge budget and infinitely many of these aircrafts and they are already training pilots.

[@AttitudeAdjusterAA]

@@Micha-qv5uf send pilots along :P