What Really Happened in Afghanistan: Marianne Williamson in conversation with author Sarah Chayes

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REFLECTIONS ON AFGHANISTAN: Williamson and Chayes discuss Chayes' article “The Ides of August,” about her experiences working as a reporter and special counsellor to the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the war in Afghanistan.
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[@sbl17jackson37]

Why did retired US Generals and contractors make a fortune from the war, but the Afghan people lived in poverty? Over 300 million a day for 20 years was wasted on Afghanistan and all that money went to the corrupt Afghan government, corrupt US Generals, and corrupt US contractors.

[@jett888]

Because that's what our Criminal CabaI does- they make a fortune at others' sweat and tears. It's time for a change!!

[@braxxian]

Yep, it sure did. And that was the whole point. You don’t think the U.S stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years to help the locals do you?. There is an a old saying “War Is A Racket”. It’s usually waged to enrich a tiny minority at everyone else sees expense.

[@Deb0507]

Same as here. Presidents salary is $400,000 - Clinton's Rich, Bushes Rich, Obama Rich. And most weren't rich going in or THAT rich . The cabal has been printing $ if they need it. From what I understand in the UK pensions are gone and in US social security is gone or really low and probably 401's. That's why Cuomo and others were killing our elderly !! Nancy Pelosi's salary is like $180,000, yet she's either billionaire or millionaire. They send our illegal taxes to other countries and they get kick backs. Rather than let us keep our hard earned $, they'd rather help a foreign country that probably hates us. They use our sons, father's, brothers, etc... in a made up war only to profit and then turn around and tell va hospitals to withold meds and shit. They have killed so many Americans, they better pay !!! I heard Bush Jr was purposely blowing up buses on foreign US bases with soldiers in them for insurance $ or something. They get off on killing people, that's Lucifer for ya !!

[@celestecanyon]

And some of the Afghan "collaborators"

[@marieannechen9966]

I guess we are no longer wearing Tin Foil Hats huh???

[@JohnAllenRoyce]

Great segment, really grateful to Marianne for introducing me to Sarah Chayes. So much good here, thank you both!

[@CheyennefromTaos]

SILENT SCREAM As an activist since Vietnam, my silent scream watching this is YES YES YES !!! 💎 GREAT WORK Marianne ✌🏽 with thx to ur guest. WHAT A GEM !!!

[@thegardenvariety]

These interviews you’ve been posting of late have been indispensably informative. Dare I say this is becoming one of my favorite podcasts? I think I might.

[@marya.8980]

This was an education way beyond what is “out there” available to us . I thank you both immensely, and PLEASE Continue these discussions when possible.

[@bumblebee9337]

No accountability means the status quo will continue.

[@lorischadler2871]

Sad but true.

[@jebbennett7]

This is by far the best and most informative thing I have seen on the debacle of our involvement in Afghanistan and the tragedy of how we left. Sarah Chayes and Marianne Williamson are national treasures. Can we please put some women in charge?

[@karenflowers9711]

ASAP

[@NYCDurrani]

This popped up on my suggestions page! What a nice surprise.

[@siduk2636]

You will be blessed by Kamala Harris or maybe even Hillary soon, pretty sure they will ruin america further

[@DavidSmith-ss1cg]

@@siduk2636 - your buddies in the military/corporate/"Intelligence cesspool will take over soon; maybe they'll offer you gainful employment. Fortune passes everywhere.

[@coolwater55]

Marianne ran for President. Majority of People aren’t ready for her.

[@legacytales673]

We certainly do you need more people like Sarah Chayes,who is an amazing mix of eloquence, wisdom, brilliance, high journalistic standards, and courage, to name a few qualities. Thank you, Marianne, for inviting her on and, as she noted, asking informed and deep questions.

[@andreadaerice]

What a fantastic and insightful interview. I learned more from this than the last 20 years of mainstream coverage. Thank you Marianne and Sarah!

[@benjaminbutton5527]

According to a journalism professor on a radio talk show I was listening to some years back, people just weren't interested in the Afghanistan war. It didn't garner the interest of people, like say, Kim Kardashian's latest fashion choice. So, the media didn't bother reporting on it. She also explained that so many of her journalism student's had no idea what was going on in the world at large.

[@andreadaerice]

@@benjaminbutton5527 I believe that...and have experienced it first hand. People either don't care, or don't know, or both.

[@8877robert]

Jesus that's hard. The idea we actually succeeded, in making a nation as corrupt as ourselves.

[@gloriarascon9709]

I love this! This should be a show on prime time TV because more people need to hear about and learn this.

[@marygard4608]

I agree, but I think our once- public airwaves are now in the hands of the corrupt ones. Even PBS takes corrupt money.

[@kazkellyquest1792]

The five giant corporations that own virtually ALL our media would NEVER!! Neither would National Propaganda Radio.

[@Btrutaltruth]

We can share and make it viral.

[@RJ-vq1iv]

Yeah ever American should know this, the news about what really was going on

[@marilynnickelson7024]

@@marygard4608 Free Speech TV

[@tomtrahan8485]

Most Americans are not surprised at the “Corruption Mirror” effect. It has always been Self Enrichment. We just gave up because no one with money is ever held accountable. Our government has always been the most corrupt of all nations. GREAT INTERVIEW though. Thank you.

[@victicklish1024]

Tom, I just figured all this out over the last several years and by watching Veritasradio and Crrow777, but now I’m so very depressed about believing in our most powerful government. Everywhere on the internet others are trying to warn us of impending doom.

[@anglomandingo666]

Always has been, what do you think "The revolutionary war' was about.

[@hilaryporter7841]

The world needs more people like Sarah Chayes to see through the smoke screen of big money and educate the masses. Not just at some point in the future, but now, before big money tips the human race and the natural world into surefire extinction.

[@MrDXRamirez]

Action not words will save you!

[@alveolate]

i am convinced that the MSM are willing partners of the coverup. in the 70s and 80s, such a story would've been sensational and gained nationwide viewership; today, all the major outlets are just stenographers for the military industrial complex and wall street ghouls.

[@CheyennefromTaos]

Ive been a peace activist since Vietnam.✌🏽 I so appreciate Marianne and Tulsi for all they have done to help others and teach the truth about our governments atrocities. WHAT AN AMAZING GUEST HERE 👍🏽💜👍🏽

[@trylliumt5441]

@@CheyennefromTaos Agree!

[@rajo741]

Sarah Chayes is a tremendous journalist and the kind of person we all need more of in this world.

[@loverunning0130]

Brilliance. Well worth watching. I can only hope more people would read/watch and wake up. I feel so helpless.

[@joanhalgren3502]

Your not alone in feeling helpless! But you're aware and that's important!

[@projectmalus]

There's some power in choices as a consumer, and this is significant. Supporting the various excellent watchdogs might be a part of that, like you say, worth watching.

[@jackhammer7824]

@@joanhalgren3502 As the world turns. Name 5 things in your control. Does your list make you feel secure. Now why does Elements out of your control create anxiety and feelings of helpless. Your attachment in your mind. Free your mind Of everything out of your control. You might live longer and find inner peace ✌. Namasta

[@SimonAshworthWood]

You can do more than hope. You can share the video with people who you know and with strangers in social media groups.

[@cambriawellness3102]

We had better halt this AI takeover plan, as lithium runs in short supply in Afghanistan and Bolivia, to utilize in the new batteries for AI, vehicles, robots, solar and wind batteries, etc. Lithium is also used in Bi-polar drugs. And why can't the US grow opium, the derivative for Viagra? Great interview Maryanne!

[@suzannearcher4028]

Thank you so much for this report✌🏾…I have been so concerned my intuition overshadows my informed nature. I do not trust the ‘regular’ news, & this feature thanks to you 2Ladies has answered concerns I asked myself. Thank you as a concerned citizen for the clarity & understanding of such a precarious situation.

[@arthurostrowski9579]

"IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AFGHANISTAN IS A REFLECTION US, WE MIGHT BE IN FOR SCENES LIKE THE ONES WE'VE BEEN SEEING AT THE KABUL AIRPORT, THAT'S MY CONCERN." - SARAH CHAYES

[@johnsmith1474]

Lose the all-caps gramps.

[@VickiNikolaidis]

Excellent point to emphasize.

[@janetclark5668]

Thanks for the emphasis.

[@roushanam]

@@johnsmith1474 It caught my eye, pinhead.

[@arthurostrowski9579]

@@johnsmith1474 HOW DO I TURN THIS DAGNABBIN THING OFF? WHICH PIANO KEY IS IT? E FLAT OR E MINNORR?

[@Mrkillerkane]

Chayes worked for the Joints Chief of Staff but claims not to know why we stayed in Afghanistan? Lol. I can tell her. Same reason so many empires have been there. A strategic foothold in Central Asia. To counter russia and China. This was never about helping the people. It never is.

[@stephencunningham6557]

The reason the CIA destabilised Karmal's govnt, it was Soviet sponsored. Afghanistan is geographically pivoted to enable China's belt and road initiative. The US will not allow a stable Afghanistan, it will sponsor insurgency, sundry desirable results will be islamist insurgency in Xingiang and Russia's underbelly!

[@LG-dj9qr]

@@stephencunningham6557 well want might want to add the Saudis and Israelis to this list as well.

[@DavidSmith-ss1cg]

@@LG-dj9qr - that's disingenuous; the Saudis and Israel - rightly - feel that if corrupt US polities are going to throw away truckloads of money, then they may as well hold out a bushel basket and collect some of it for themselves.

[@Deb0507]

@@DavidSmith-ss1cg I believe the US sends money. (foreign aide). to many countries after they collect our taxes, but it ends up in the wrong hands and prob sent by the wrong hands. That's why our whole government needs to go, they have not worked for we the people in AGES, they cozy up to anyone that will let them in on next scheme. We also should demand term limits. Some of them have been there 50+ years, and when one steals they look the other way with hand out.

[@Ericwest1000]

Dear Marianne, thank you for your insightful interview with Sarah Chayes! Wow, what a brilliant analysis that she offered of what happened over the latter twenty years and what is happening in Afghanistan. This is just the kind of informed knowledge that I need to spring into action.

[@stacieivey7104]

This is an intelligent, courageous and profound conversation that is critically important. I’m impressed by your bravery. Thank you.

[@AngelEagle44]

When GREED sets in, CONSCIENCE flies out the door.

[@laurelweiner8]

Making Corruption not profitable is a Herculean task.

[@mro7970]

When history is written in the future, it will appear that the Pakistani intelligence agencies defeated the Soviet Union in #afghanistan With America's help, then America was defeated with America's help!" - Hamid Gul (1936-2015), former ISI chief

[@samgale6536]

Excellent interview. Good firsthand testimony to further corroborate the vast amount of status quo corruption many of us have been fully aware of.

[@lucasflanders8557]

This is a stellar interview. Everyone needs to watch this. Kudos and thank you!

[@dianebode6551]

This is A GREAT interview addressing crucial issues that we face as a Nation. Thank you Marianne and Sarah.

[@suzannelerner1]

SO GRATEFUL! Moved to tears, literally, hearing 2 Amazing Women speaking with such Integrity, Wisdom, Courage and True Vision. May You Be Supported & Blessed in Every Way! The creative, yet skillfully researched and documented cartoon book:"Addicted to War: Why the U.S. Can't Kick Militarism" by Joel Andreas is a great, relatively clear and easy read. It really helped me shift the conditioning I had received since early elementary school, about what our "Great Nation" is currently motivated by, and pointed to what is truly the current main driver, Profit for a few. Sad, yet when we know the issues, we can create new possibilities. May we create a World where all basic needs are met for all people, and that all can thrive, which given our over inflated lifestyles, may look more like "Living More Simply, So Others Can Simply Live." Blessings Upon Blessings Marianne Williamson and Sarah Chayes! A true breath of fresh air. ~Dr. Suzanne Lerner

[@won2kafour]

Clearly one of the best interviews to understand the antecedents that led to what is the situation today in Afghanistan. Such insights!! Thanks, Marianne and Sarah!

[@voiyemorales8998]

1:06:34 One of the best statements of the century! It's not our job to hold the other race, gender, nationality, political party, or religion to account, but it's our job to hold our OWN to account!

[@andrearenee7845]

Following Ms. Chayes 4 years. She's a power of light. thank you...

[@Madaboutmada]

Wow, although the entire interview is thoughtful and jam-packed with hard truths, the core point is at 1:05 minute mark. Thank you for pulling back the curtain on failed states.

[@AllThat-Is]

I like Marianne's derision of "so-called intelligence"

[@laurelweiner8]

I loved the expressions.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Seventy minutes well spent. An eye-opener.

[@web3982]

So, you say!

[@arturszageris5077]

@@web3982 V

[@nancybennett6134]

It is indeed -- when we get only a ONE SIDED "governments version" --- not the real story of the people themselves -- but our government attempting to do a "conversion" of these people -- was a wrong purpose --- can't change the culture ---

[@The_Christ_Angel]

Sid Roth’s version of a prayer. Dear God, I am a sinner. I am not worthy, boo hoo, burden my soul with guilt and weight, please God. The new age prayer Yo God, I didn’t create emotions, you can kiss my ass with guilt trips, and fix your own shit hole planet.

[@kellipresley]

And nothing will change.

[@TheGayStoic]

Keep on keeping on Marianne 👌🏾🙏🏾👊🏾

[@pugetsoundfarmer]

Excellent conversation!! Thank you!!!

[@larrybeckham6652]

Such an important conservation. All the more pain that the audio levels are so mismatch. Please, Ms. Williamson, in the future get the levels balanced. And run again in 2024 and WIN! Sarah Chayes might make a fine Secretary of State or Secretary of Peace.

[@MSOetjen]

Same thought about Sarah for Secretary of State - and/or maybe she would help create a Department of Peace that's been mentioned for years, to no avail. Yet! (We cannot give up all hope.) Agree about sound levels, too. Frustrating!

[@larrybeckham6652]

@@MSOetjen At least they called it the Dept. of War it was more honest.

[@laurelweiner8]

Maybe a female Intelligence Division would make a difference lol

[@laurelweiner8]

@@larrybeckham6652 ?

[@larrybeckham6652]

@@laurelweiner8 out of context and did not make sense. i remove it. Thank you!

[@danmarquez3971]

GREAT interview!!! Wow!! This gives hope to humanity! This is why I am saddened that Marianne isn't President Williamson! Maybe next time? She has my vote!!

[@joanhalgren3502]

Her leadership shines over most presidents to date!

[@YaoEspirito]

She was in the top three, for sure. Of course she didn't stand a chance.

[@hOMnaturale]

Outstanding! Thank you both for the debts and clarity of the questions and answers.

[@MIDixons]

I'm so glad I stuck around for the entire interview. The real good started after the hour mark. Marianne, I love you as a force for good in the world. Good brings good and you're tipping the scales. Thank you.

[@beerblues762]

The most insightful info on Afghanistan I have seen so far. What an amazing woman! I will say that the best news always comes from people who have first hand experience on the issue, that means in this case people who have spent time in Afghanistan.

[@anitahopkinsla]

Stop saying WE….. BE SPECIFIC & tell the truth of our government officials! We the People, are not responsible for these decisions by the powers that be . Full 🛑

[@amandacollyer645]

I am glad someone is having these conversations. The MSM isn't going to.

[@richardbluhm1873]

I copied Hunter Thompson's description of Americans into the inside cover after reading Sarah Chayes' book titled "On Corruption in America." It goes like this: "Americans are used car salesmen with all the money in the world enough to buy all the weapons in the world, and we've got the willingness to use them on anyone who makes us unhappy."

[@4everu984]

Thank you for this amazing interview!

[@encomunismo]

The United States is not weak because of the disastrous policies of its government, it is weak because there is no strong and organized opposition to those policies.

[@joanhalgren3502]

Agree. We lost our motivation and have settled into sloth.

[@cart172]

Your government policies kill or silence the voices of organized opposition to these policies. Do you think someone who spoke the truth about these wars would be allowed to become President? Not even close. The CIA and military-industrial complex would make sure of that.

[@joanhalgren3502]

@@cart172 Unfortunately, the world is still dominated by the primitive concepts of brute force and dominance. This paradigm will eventually kill all of humanity and many othet forms of life here unless the people arise and collectively claim: no more! Until then, we're in serious, calamity. It's a sorrowful situation since most in the U.S. are asleep at the wheel! That will cause collapse if change in the right direction doesn't manifest very soon.

[@tabithacawthorne6618]

@@cart172 so sad and true.

[@erniesandoval9852]

Thanks Marianne for talking about this, I really enjoyed the talk.

[@michaecarney2626]

You missed the fact that this was a tribal conflict Punjabi war and we could not end it pakistan was and is punjabi

[@michaecarney2626]

Afghanistan was nearly 50% Punjabi pastun

[@michaecarney2626]

The war should have been fought in pakistan,Afghanistan was a smoke screen

[@michaecarney2626]

Ask the British they drew the line in 1856

[@michaecarney2626]

This woman has totally missed the point

[@electrosonicnebula]

Sarah Chayes gets a lot right, especially her conclusions expressed near the end, but let's get one thing straight: US military should never have gone to Afghanistan. Not for anti-terrorism, not for nation-building. Also, too little discussion of the role of security companies and mercenaries and the shadow economy that was created. Even if it hadn't been such a general fuckup, there was *no* good reason for the US to be there, ever. US out of everywhere!

[@markj7612]

No need to add anything to that. Spot on.

[@laurelweiner8]

Well there was a pipeline to protect, rare elements, and MIC contracts....deals made decades ago.

[@electrosonicnebula]

@@laurelweiner8 Exactly, MIC contracts that benefited neither the Afghans nor the taxpayers who paid for this and other stupid wars.

[@YaoEspirito]

As they used to say: "Yankee, Go Home!"

[@lotusgreen3761]

Wake-up call! Thanks ladies, my highest admiration!

[@marygard4608]

Thank you both for showing us the real Afghanistan.

[@carloscorrales2681]

Thank you for clearing this situation, We are the reflection of what’s going on over there, only for a few sum to make profit.. how shameful

[@DonnaEmbree]

#Miasm Is the medical term for shame. ♒️

[@official_bright_minds]

Glad to have been able to listen to 2 very brilliant human beings.

[@leader95949]

Marianne, please keep going after this.. My sense is we need an outside-of-government "commission" to be the venue.

[@jayleon2894]

We had several pivotal women in power that led to this and managed it... Rice, Clinton, and Pelosi just for starters. Its not women or men, from left or right, that determine outcomes, its the ethics, courage, and resilence to corruption and the influence of life or death king or queen makers that run the show from the shadows. As we know there are few who can withstand and truly stand up. Systems entrenched in centralised power only become more corrupt and powerful. To weaken the UN/WHO/EU/Crown/Pentagon grim reapers of war and poverty we must start creating our own decentralised self governed communities and economys and pur our power and energy there vs into feeding those energy vampires.

[@laurelweiner8]

@@jayleon2894 lol/////same lame game just different faces

[@SA-ww1ge]

Sarah your like a first responder seeing the horrors most of us could not stomach & u explain what U have seen which I’m sure is horrific. But I agree we are committing the same horrors.

[@SA-ww1ge]

@Jeff Peate her parents were a big influence. Definitely a unique woman

[@heathermaich8966]

The best interview I have listened to on the situation in Afghanistan

[@melissabollmanartaboutart9787]

I see you both as most competent potential future leaders, Thank you both. Love and Gratitude

[@bootstraphan6204]

So basically... Afghan politicians act EXACTLY the SAME as the politicians in the U.S. 🤷‍♂️

[@laurelweiner8]

touchee--

[@MsVickieharrison]

This isn't new news it just people waking up to the truth.

[@elainejbaskin4255]

I learned so much. Thank you to both of you- beautiful conversation, illuminating.

[@nancycrabtree6312]

Astonishingly intelligent, revealing and honest conversation. It’s amazing to hear what a person with no agenda but truth has to say. None of the players and policy makers in Afghanistan including the US, had any integrity. Good people paid the price.

[@barbaraolson600]

Very glad the curtains are being parted and lifted.

[@cherylcardran1776]

Wow! I absolutely MUST read,Sarah's book! What a fabulous interview! Thank you, Marianne and Sarah!😊❤👏

[@FrannieThorburn]

Thank you, thank you Marianne and Sarah for speaking out about corruption, not just in 3rd world countries, everyone knows it exists there, but in the Western world within our governments and multinational corporations. It was such a relief to hear Sarah talk about what she sees and knows. We need to hear this kind of discussion and exposure if we want to find any kind of sanity and hope here on Mother Earth. Thank you again.

[@kosmikprince6561]

Truly unbelievable presentation by these two Ladies - thanks for sharing your insight and expertise on this subject matter.

[@marcusowen7944]

Thank you Marianne. Always enjoy hearing from you.

[@jcmboyle]

Well, the war machine really made a lot of profit! That's what really happened! And now we're looking for the next cash cow.

[@ShariSSTalk]

Africa will be the next Middle East - resources needed for our digitized & alternate energy production are there. China is already heavily there with their Belt & Road Initiative happening. what do you think?

[@wiffleone]

What about all the Afghani opium-90% of the world’s supply?

[@matildamarmaduke1096]

@@wiffleone Right China is another grower not as good as afganies though

[@karenhughes9172]

COVID s the cash cow. Vaccines etc ££££. Global Economic reset ☮️

[@dj8350]

D They have fentanyl now, cheaper and easier to produce. They’ve gotten what they came for and they’re moving on to the medical industrial complex paradigm. Karen Hughes is right.

[@pohchooter685]

Thank you to both ladies what an excellent and very interesting coverage. Ladies are real genius.

[@nickclashvids3752]

This was very interesting and enlightening. Thank you for your continued work Marianne.

[@TiberiusGracchus123]

Wait…. Why is she skipping the part where the Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden? …the fact that the stated mission was to get bin Laden, not topple a sovereign nation’s government?

[@tamaliaalisjahbana9354]

When did they do that? Offer to hand over Osama? Was it when they asked for proof and said they would hand over Osama if the US gave them proof Osama was behind 9/11?

[@electrosonicnebula]

Actually she gets asked that question in an interview with Democracy Now and says she doesn't know enough to confirm or deny that, which is kind of surprising coming from someone in her position. In any case she does acknowledge that at some point there is officially a shift from fighting terrorism to nation-building. Of course there were people all along with all the right/obvious arguments and regular (if insufficient) press coverage existed that demonstrated how wrong everything was about that intervention. It's not one of those "had we known then what we know now", the basic facts were clear all along. Even the hunt for Bin Laden was some more obvious demagoguery that was never going to reduce terrorism in the least given that Al Qaeda was now a worldwide self-franchising virus due to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld wars and that the new branches of al Qaeda that had no need whatsoever for Bil Laden. The Bush years continued to provide Bin Laden with the ultimate victory of spreading terrorism instead of fighting it, even as they were hunting him down. And still you don't hear the pundits acknowledge that, i.e. how we so clearly aided radical islam instead of thwarting it. "Getting Bil Laden" was so ridiculously prioritized by Americans in general (rank and file) that it ended in Obama pursuing the mission to try to get the rednecks to hate him a little less, avoid the backlash, which obviously wasn't enough. Plus it was carried out fully illegally as an assassination, and the guy who actually executed him is now some sort of star getting interviewed left and right, some sort of hero. Absolutely revolting. The reason they switched the mission statement to include nation building was so contractors (including but not limited to mercenaries) could go in and make some money. Everybody should have known what was going on all along. For all their brutish worldview and ways, the Taliban are not necessarily the worst among the actors on that scene in the past twenty years. Blackwater, Pakistan's ambiguity, the CIA's history with the Mujahiddin, all of it was out in the open, all along. If we'd never been Afghans themselves might have overthrown the Taliban.

[@lutherblissett9070]

Tamalia Alisjahbana You make it sound like asking for proof is a bad thing? LMAO you brainwashed fool.

[@ingeelatahiri1206]

Thank you Sara and Marianne! That was very eye opening and factual but at the same time heart breaking to know that the innocent Afghan nation has been/is suffering because of these evil masterminds.

[@billybigwig1154]

Could it be the opium kept us there?

[@LongDefiant]

J&J CEO quit when the Taliban said they would stop opium production

[@mjrotondi5086]

But nobody will ever talk about it.

[@joanhalgren3502]

That and the money being made by the defense industry!

[@debslopweirdloopbean]

Very informative. The best kind of journalism. Much appreciated.

[@elkiness]

Thank you. This is heart twisting, but I deeply (and intellectually) feel all this is true. More power to you both!

[@HeyoSpeaker]

Thank you Marianne Williamson! ❤

[@carolegold6220]

Informative, enlightening and inspiring two messages as takeaway: 1) Personal Responsibility and 2) Truth.

[@mmendi1114]

Two heros in one frame what more could I want...despite the heartwrenching topic they are talking about. Ms Williamson...never seen such a humble human being best interviewer I have ever seen.

[@geoffgriffiths3381]

So the Afghan Govt was corrupt and the good guys, and the Taliban was not corrupt and were the bad guys. No one is talking about the heroin how it played out and what's going on with it now.

[@Deb0507]

The poor fields have all been burned, destroyed.

[@rosemariemoore8226]

Finally someone hits the nail on the head! It's all about the drugs and all the money to be made...same happened in Vietnam...

[@kal2487]

Wow, wonderful nuanced conversation. Thank you.

[@hydrolaural]

So grateful to you, Marianne :)

[@tiensertan1610]

it's so hard to hear an honest commentary these days, this interview is a "gem". Thank you so much

[@marybess2706]

What a terrific interview. It would be nice to think that, had we known, we would have put a stop to this carnage and corruption. It seems we need to start here at home first.

[@jleigh4886]

Thank you, both. I look forward to learning more!

[@zacboyles1396]

They’re starting halfway through the story. Didn’t the Taliban offer Osama if Bush gave evidence? Why did Bush reject the offer? And take another step back, where did the Taliban come from in the first place? What government was there in the 70’s and what happened to it?

[@electrosonicnebula]

Democracy Now interviews a guy about this point in today's show in case you're interested.

[@SahasraraIm]

The americans run from Afganistand because they couldn't stand to look in the mirror for what they put out in existence. They were so shaken that they run ...

[@stevenhoch1076]

The day after Kabul fell, TX passed SB8 that instituted Sharia law in Texas. What we leave in our wake returns to us.

[@trishthompson1533]

fantastic all around. Great guest!

[@kayttcreedon524]

OMG Ladies this interview should be "must see" for every straight thinking person....

[@eglaham]

Thank you for such an extraordinarily intelligent, insightful and engaging conversation. How refreshing!

[@karenl7786]

Wow I stumbled up on this channel totally by accident. Excellent interview, I'll be listening to more.

[@mattja52]

From this conversation, I gather that foreign policy is a very sordid business.

[@DavidSmith-ss1cg]

The US doesn't have any foreign policy - there's a phrase in an old Tom Clancy novel where a US CIA officer says that "Foreign Relations means fucking other countries." That's what happened in Afghanistan; except that the US taxpayers are who got screwed. The US Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex - as usual - made out like bandits.

[@laurelweiner8]

@@DavidSmith-ss1cg I guess all the winnings went into real estate...

[@joycepetrina2791]

Wow! That was a real reality check! Thank you so much♥️

[@joelovando69]

Great interview!

[@PonyTrotsky]

Fascinating. Thank you.

[@8877robert]

Interesting. Going through many documentaries. All clear in those docs and as Sarah relates, the reporters had it right. This is the right decision, 19 years too late. We do need to examine why we continue to duck up in this way.

[@Wishesfeb29]

Wonderful. Thank you Marianne.

[@Queenie-the-genie]

There was money to be made. That’s what capitalism is all about right!? Democracy does not fit in . We have too much capitalism here in the good ol USA for democracy unless you realise we are a democracy of the rich.

[@celesteconverse]

It's not capitalism that's the root of this evil. It's corruption of the capitalist system by the people in our gvt. Our founding fathers said our system of gvt could not survive unless honest people served. That is why they limited the amount of time a person could serve. We now have an oligarchy ruling us. The citizens of this country have to fix this.

[@kathleenwyatt563]

@@celesteconverse Thank you…excellent comment!

[@lutherblissett9070]

@@celesteconverse You have it all backwards

[@Deb0507]

@@celesteconverse And deep state bribing people , printing more funny $ to buy people. All alphabet angencies corrupt and apparently CDC, WHO, NIH, FBI, . AND the news gets paid by china or DS, is told what to report. Hollywood is evil and fake. Even Megan Fox is a man, many more. They twist everything !! They raise boys as girls and vice versa.

[@thinkmapp]

Marianne - just superb reporting!

[@DonnaEmbree]

Thank you

[@adamajwadi1546]

The first question that arises at the outset of this long winded interview is what the hell was Sarah Chayes doing in Afghanistan? Who appointed her as a spokesperson for the Afghan nation? This notion that somehow this American was there to impart good in Afghanistan by supposedly contributing to progress speaks volumes about the arrogance behind such notions. They do not want you there. You do not speak for them nor represent them. Lest there be an inkling of doubt to this response, I adamantly disagree with the Taliban policies and practices. However, I also acknowledge that the U.S. and all her western allies that participated in the debacle in Afghanistan have no say in how the country should be governed. When the U.S. and her NATO allies had maximum forces in Afghanistan they did not sue for peace or tried to negotiate a political solution. Instead they went on an orgy of killing, maiming and destroying. More than 170,000 paid with their lives as a result of this invasion. The Taliban are a part of Afghanistan whether the west likes it or not. The aliens in this scenario are those that traveled thousands of miles to drop tons of bombs and destroy the fabric of that already fragile society. Though I vehemently disagree with the Taliban, it’s not up to me to decide the fate of Afghanistan. The change that will eventually come to Afghanistan must come from within. As for those Afghanis that sold their souls to the U.S. they will soon find out that life in America is not what it is advertised as. They will find out about the grinding poverty in our inner cities. They will see for themselves how shamelessly we allow the homeless to flood the streets in major cities across this country. They sold out their countrymen by cooperating with the foreign invaders and of course they are scared for the treason they committed against their own nation. All of this could have been avoided were it not for the arrogance of claiming the right to kill whoever was deemed beneath our “American exceptionalism”. Finally, all those that authorized, directed and participated in these wars against the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are war criminals and unfortunately true justice will not fall upon them. The American motto from all sides of the political spectrum is: “We need enemies to justify our existence.”

[@wiffleone]

Afghanistan’s reasons for existing could be the same as America’s if people weren’t so greedy, fearful and uninformed. Afghanistan is clearly complicated. So many tribes, limited resources and complex networks; it reminds me of the US and how people don’t trust the police. Sorry for your losses. What do U know of where all the Afghani opium -90% of the world’s supply-goes?

[@laurelweiner8]

When it takes 10 million coming in to pay 100k going out in Salary....of a U S govt employee..you can see why the off books Shennaghans repeat

[@BellePhoenixTheSubterraneanSea]

Finally, intelligent informed conversation.

[@seattleareatom]

Stunning!!!! Thank you!!!

[@ThomasSteves]

Amazing interview. Thank you.

[@toddmarshall7573]

What was the state of the poppy crop at the time the Taliban controlled, we invaded Afghanistan? What was the state of poppy crop after Afghanistan got saved by the good ole' USA?

[@Ferwajan]

Thank you for caring to know the truth about my homeland as we know it.

[@laurelweiner8]

Bless you and your family...