Mario 3's HARDEST LEVEL

[@prizm9515]

SMB3 programer 30 years ago: Okay let's put a bush with a hill and then a goomba. SMB3 Speedrunner in 2022: If you manipulate your subpixel and frame perfect jump on this bush and frame perfect fire shot this goomba you can be able to run through the entire level in fourteen seconds.

[@locoman7]

I'm dying lol!

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

In all fairness, competitive play was mostly the domain of arcades back then, with no way of storing, sharing or validating scores being provided at the time, I'm not sure why anybody would consider that. Also, considering all the games that have been ruined over the years trying to "fix" the speed game, I'm glad they weren't thinking about that.

[@JakeRazorClawson]

The way you dissect smb3 is always interesting, educational and understandable. Although my video game playing days are many years gone, the tech details and how you explain them capture my attention. There are also so many basic things I did not know about this game until watching your channel, so thanks for the info as always.

[@n8rix2013]

Was this guy even born yet when this game came out?

[@stich21]

The way you're able to consistently make interesting videos on a 30+ year old game is mind blowing. Thanks for all the hard work MFP!

[@Mitchflowerpower]

Wow, thanks!

[@amosmattia]

Just subscribed! Great.

[@tylersmith9868]

Not difficult at all if you don't have a job

[@tylerskott4903]

​@@tylersmith9868 no shit 😂

[@aaronflowers8881]

Mario 3 is a lot deeper than people realize. There are secrets I'm still learning 33 years later. It blows me away.

[@mtolympus-worstplayerever7924]

Amazing. It's mind-blowing that Mitch is still finding new ways to shave time off. A TWO SECOND time-save in one of the most popular speed games around.

[@andrewc6385]

I love little vids like this where you break down certain areas. Watching the runs, its easy to overlook these small important details

[@accountant02130]

Is it me .... or the most difficult thing about this level is collecting "ALL 30 COINS" so you can see the famous white mushroom and collect the "anchor" .....

[@Yakushii]

This is so cool, because just watching the streams, I never get the sensation that 2-2 is THAT harsh. Now, I'll cross my fingers every time you finish 2-1.

[@justase64]

I found this level hard because I always tried to get the white mushroom house from it

[@aleksandardervusoski1615]

Loving your content Mitch. Keep up the grind. Great work!

[@Mitchflowerpower]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@DemiLovatofan_Lovatic]

I agree

[@JMan1380]

I'm not a speed runner at all. The only thing I've found annoying about this otherwise easy level is how tense it feels to get the 30 coins for the Mushroom House. I'm pretty sure that Mushroom House is a useless anchor. But I do like that feeling of getting it. Plus it's been a habit of mine forever that I can't play the game any way else.

[@AllanAdamson]

yup the forbidden strat.. you have to spit on the bush to save the Princess

[@AtomicBLB]

Sub pixels are wild and new to me and surely the logical explanation. I noticed two things from my simpler perspective. It seems that if you do the damage strat the hesitation from taking damage delays Mario's movement for that hesitation but the P meter keeps building as you hold right so you get P speed having that delay on Mario. For the forbidden strat, I only noticed in slow motion. When Mario fires a fireball, he adopts the P speed stance for the shot. So as you hit the top of the hill you are giving yourself those few frames you need to fully fill your P meter.

[@DavidRay_40]

For me, the hardest level is World 7-Fort-2. Even with the hammer suit, it can be a pain. The second-hardest level is 7-4 without a frog suit. I NEVER do 7-4 without a frog suit.

[@neumusic]

2-2nd! (Love it!) Gosh, that’s cool to see the slow mo and hear the music and… 🤯

[@Housestationlive]

i'm not a speedrunner but i discover mario 3 on a new angle. anyway speedrun by essence is about perfection ^^

[@johnriff85]

The next video in this series will be how to handle your friend unexpectedly resetting your game with a stomp.

[@TheBBCSlurpee]

You’re like the Michael Jordan of Mario 3 in the way you’ve mastered this craft

[@staaanwich]

Maybe you're killing the goomba on the same frame you would run into him, so the game gives you the damage boost. Your p meter seems to build the same way.

[@emefcue]

so im recently subbed on twitch and started watching some streams and I learned so much from this video. thank you!

[@LiverbestGibs]

If anyone can figure out why these strats work, it's Bismuth. I would ask him to take a look.

[@rollsorferrari]

Another great explanation - been watching you for years now and still learn something new everyday. Keep up the good work Mitch!

[@urbobne2254]

I love these short explanatory vids. Would love to see one explaining what subpixels are, why they're import, and how they work

[@ernestschmidt8761]

I’ve never been a speed runner but I’ve always played Mario as fast as possible just for fun. I definitely remember getting frustrated with the layout of this level and how it flows. It blew my mind when he explained the slide speed vs P speed thing because I have always done these little jumps to maintain max speed and I guess I never realized why it works I just instinctively developed it. Respect to real speed runners tho, you all are built different

[@allegorysplatterpunk1829]

Thanks for the upload! Loved this one, had no clue about it at all.

[@jasonkoch3182]

Thank you for this explanation, Mitch. In your Fast 7-2 video when you explained you couldn't get 2-2 p-speed without taking damage and then all of a sudden you started getting 2-2 p-speed without taking damage, I figured you had discovered something new.

[@RoboSantasRevenge]

“Without going into too crazy detail…” What, no, that’s what I’m here for!

[@BronsonBragg]

2-2 could hang out with those World 7 levels, that's for sure.

[@jamiecashes]

It's actually pretty hard to get the white mushroom house in this level

[@A-Z-Comunity]

My theory is when you're moving at P speed you move at 8 subpixels per frame

[@tales.noheads]

I think the fire ball further propels you in some way.

[@mrhydrogen7459]

So, when Mario slides he goes 52 Mario's Per Hour huh? Intredasting

[@evileyeball]

And here I thought you were going to talk abou the White Mushroom house in this level

[@ckellyedits]

Thanks for the insight, this was a very well put together video. Super interesting

[@Mitchflowerpower]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@LateNiteCrew01]

Oh man. Great Content bro. We FUCK WITH THIS heavy!

[@HonkeyKongLive]

I love these videos. Great analysis

[@ChicanoryIsMyName]

When you slowed it down, my first question was, I wonder if that's subpixel related. Then you noted your belief.

[@DemonicCollusion]

Thanks for this guide and explanation. I've been playin around, learning world 1. Stoked to try these out when I get there

[@mounstursz]

I was gonna say no way sir but then you brought up speed runs and I was like ok that a different ball game all together. I never tried a Mario speed run just Conta ones back in the day and recently did an Emily wants to play speed run but great video you got me thinking about attempting a SMB3 of our own.

[@TheAltruisticAutistic]

Here's a question: why do subpixels exist in Mario 3?

[@5014eric]

To allow gradual acceleration. To reach maximum speed in the right amount of time, the speed needs to increase by a fraction of a pixel per frame, each fame. It would be possible to store subpixel speeds and just whole pixel positions, but easier to use the same units for both. I would guess that x-position would thereby fit into two bytes and speed in one.

[@marksmithwas12]

That's so weird! It's almost like killing enemies rewards bonus P speed 🤔

[@MB-bt9km]

this is like mario quantum physics

[@AnthonyCurley]

I thought it was great when you started getting that early P Speed here. Really a game changer.

[@warsb06]

Mitch: subpixels are crazy SMB1 Community: heh heh Edit: it's subspeed manipulation, something like this is used in 8-4 to save a frame by releasing right for 1 frame, and releasing b much pause your acceleration or something that I don't understand about smb3

[@tmon3y777]

Well I guess it's good that this level is near the start of the run.

[@andrewtwigg4239]

Subpixels 13 & 5, 0 & 8, and 4 &12 are 8 bytes(bits?) apart. If sub pixels range between 0-15, the consistent 8 difference is equal to half a pixel. Also, the fact that it tends to work with smaller numbers makes me wonder if subpixels greater than 8 add 8 subpixels, adding 1 pixel to the position.

[@johnthomas1422]

What a strange and neat video. I will never understand how you figure out tricks this crazy. Good job.

[@Alamyst2011]

A computer usually does

[@poshko41]

The Wizard was such a hack.

[@marksabean6673]

This game made Mario what it is today

[@ethanchapman169]

I was wondering when I watched you the other day why you were doing that second rub in 2-1. I thought about asking then, but figured it was something I was missing. Nice to know why now

[@rudychan8792]

When I was Playing Mario 3, The Hardest Level was 7-4 😉 Pipe Zone, Electric Squids 👾

[@ignacio8597]

I just realized that the single clouds look like ghosts or a ufo... Or is it just me?

[@Robshotipod]

I've never even heard the term subpixel , but I am already sucked in. Subscribed manipulation.

[@GrimBirthday]

oddly this mechanic works in mario maker 2 I made a whole level about it without even realizing it was a thing lol

[@chadly63]

I thought you were going to talk about trying to get the white mushroom house in this level.

[@AlderDragon]

13:45 if Mario 3 was released on Commodore 64

[@krisfrederick5001]

Mario SpeedWagon 🎵

[@krisfrederick5001]

I love how I have been playing this game since you were in diapers, when I was on training wheels and you manage to make me play this differently now subconsciously.

[@harrycope3562]

Awesome, you make speed running look fun af! I wanna get into it now

[@NihilistSolitude]

Mitch are you planning on speed running SMB1 on the Intellivision?

[@gabrielhersey5546]

For me the hardest level was in world 7 pipe land. One of the last levels before the airship boss fight.

[@A-Z-Comunity]

Theres a correlation of increasing by 8 in the sub-pixels.... 5 then 13 ... 5 then 13 or 4 then 12 ...4 then 12..... So it could be 1 then 9 or 2 then 10 or 3 then 11 or 4 then 12 or 5 and 13 or 6 then 14 or 7 then 15 .... If you managed to slide up against another wall i garuntee the subpixels would alternate from 3 to 11

[@shivasthong4924]

I had more trouble with the arsenal in level 8.

[@fuzzysocks5193]

add Red Bull tattoo and be a full toolbox

[@jondoc7525]

The grand poopfirepower is back

[@SavageGreywolf]

there's 16 subpixels between 0 and 15, right? the number of subpixels between 5 and 13 is 8. If you add 8 to 13 you end up on 5 of the next subpixel. It oscillates between 13 and 5 because whatever Mario's speed is it is exactly divisible by 8 subpixels, and it must be that 13 or 5 is the one that you were on when you rubbed against the wall. The wall, maybe every type of block, has subpixel data within them for placement and where Mario stops against them.

[@caseyturner8773]

Bro you're a beast. Subbed.

[@codemunkies]

i wasn't honestly paying attention much if you said that you were editing or hex editing the game, but if you really are you should definitely show that and how you do it. Teach people how to do it. I think that would be really badass and you'd also get A LOT more subs and views. DOOO EEEEETT

[@MrRazzio]

I wonder if building p-speed works anything like speed booster in super Metroid. Maybe it only checks for the b-press on certain frames.

[@br2134]

Is it maybe that running through the goomba as you kill it causes a tiny bit of lag? And maybe your P meter builds during the lag frames but you're not moving forward?

[@Rik87Cavalier]

Great video. Would like to see more detailed videos like this about other levels, or even some of the hardest levels from each world have similar videos to this

[@MrKreggy]

Mitch could write a dissertation on SMB3

[@inc2000glw]

Its 4 things possible. Coins /331/ghost ship/timer

[@pon1]

Harder is really redefined when it comes to speedrunning!

[@Sabrina_1979]

What makes this hard is collecting all the coins

[@Treyworld]

MOAR SUPER MARIO BROS 3 VIDEOS! GRRRR!!

[@eveno4360]

Yeah Mitch! Sick shirt too bro!

[@KingCuba]

BISMUTH, WHERE ARE YOU?!! EXPLAIN THIS TO ME!!

[@mattlappe2000]

Maybe the hardest level to get all the coins on to aquire the Anchor, but that's it bro.i run thru that level

[@giltyascharged]

not a speedrunner.. but getting all the coins in that level is hard sometimes lol.. to get the blue mushroom house to spawn

[@Otterjock808]

I would say 7-6 is the hardest Mario 3 level.

[@miyamofo3132]

The actual point of this level is to collect all the coins. I want to see people do that as fast as possible.

[@alexanderpedersen1401]

Excellent video!

[@johnwatts8349]

good info, well explained

[@debrahoeggren5263]

This level is only hard is you don't know what you're doing.

[@brandonpeterson6306]

Anybody else seeing Dugtrios in the background?

[@sandpaper06]

Any chance of another season of smb3 points?

[@michaelgandon1888]

8-1 is the hardest level in Mario 3

[@Sabrina_1979]

I don't know what you are going after but get all the coins in the level and get a pwing

[@danielkirienko1701]

It's bad if you miss it, but it's only like 5 min into run, so...

[@CrasyFingers]

what's that rotating diamond thing spinning in the back of the room on the left?

[@thexbigxgreen]

I have a couple of questions, Mitch, just out of curiosity. Would it work if the goomba wasn't there, and you just shot a fireball without hitting anything? If that's the case, would you even need to have Fire Mario to get P-Speed, or is it just a matter of pressing and releasing the B button at the right times?

[@DeLarabie]

I believe its "W6-L5"

[@kavya1638]

not a speed runner, but i hit that P speed on occasion 0.o well then.. that's pretty interesting there's a method to it

[@A-Z-Comunity]

I was right you had a bouncing between 7 and 15 also

[@eddieandrews2922]

I know I'm slow and if it's not too much trouble can you give long drawn out explanation I have one game on my nes and for fun I do speed runs and love your explanations. 👏👏so keep up the good work 👍

[@lumpy368]

How do I get a Super Mario 3 game I can save/reset like you’re doing?

[@kenoz765]

you got so mad at this level today that you made a whole video about it lmao

[@rossrobertson674]

I can get all the coins to earn the secret mushroom house 9 out of 10 times

[@soythenesmaster]

love the classes

[@peasedustin]

Mitch, where Can i get the hack for the rom you are using? thank you for any help!