Would Mario beat Sonic The Hedgehog in a Fight

[@Tyrecordslol]

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[@minecraftfumingwow]

i mean like, technically if a sonic vs mario game comes out it really just depends on who is making the game

[@TOS_563.]

Ty quick question who would win Minecraft Steve or sonic?🤔🤔

[@TheAndy71brown]

your bias and sonic would win he has hyper sonic super sonic and god boom sonic we have not even seen in the show

[@TOS_563.]

Unless Steve went creative mode

[@BluegamerOmega-mo4bg]

Finnaly a person who agrees with me

[@retrowavekh4014]

To be honest Super Sonic can stay in tht form for days its shown in Sonic advance. The ring limit is just a game mechanic.

[@expertzero78]

Even then, while the game mechanic is a time limit, Sonic can still stay in his Super form as long as he still has enough rings. In the final battle of SA2, one of the things you can do mid fight is switch between Super Sonic and Super Shadow so that one can fight the Final Hazard while the other charges up on rings. In short, as long as Sonic keeps getting rings as Super Sonic, he can stay in his super form for as long as he so desires, and this applies to both lore and game mechanics.

[@sigma8917]

It wouldn't matter anyway, even if it wasn't a game mechanic but actually part of the lore, sonic can just cyloop and restore his rings

[@Tyrecordslol]

Makes sense because in Sonic X they Dont need rings.

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@Tyrecordslol There’s one thing that people don’t think about when talking about Super Sonic. Super Sonic is not invincible there are plenty of times we’ve seen Super Sonic take damage to something.

[@aperson_lol7347]

​​@@RaccoonThunderMario_Officialbrother I know what you mean because of frontiers but those hits were weak if sonic will still standing because no matter what sonic keeps on fighting

[@NeonBlueLight]

6:39 A good thing worth considering is everytime sonic has a "limit" to how fast he goes. That's not his max speed, that's how fast he's willing to go safely. Imagine him going crazy fast through cities like in Unleashed and he constantly creates Sonic Booms because he'd break the sound barrier on multiple occasions. Given he's all about protecting and helping others from flickies to people, he definitely would limit how fast he should actually go.

[@Anormalyoutuber2255]

In this battle there’s likely gonna be no flickeys or anything

[@xD4NNYx]

I watched a video on even base sonic's speed at the max. as soon as he enters his max speed zone he ligit breaks a universe because of the force and friction of his step and even before sonic really runs the earth is obliterated and so is the solar system

[@WispVR]

SONIC ADVANCE LORE

[@SonGoku-cm2ge]

@@xD4NNYx Yes but be careful according to some comments Mario beats Sonic in 1v1 and apparently hyper sonic can't do anything against superstar mario 🤣🤣

[@Cyanlolz]

That’s why sonic runs faster in the movies he still doesn’t know how dangerous his speed could be

[@Doctor_Bob]

I’m a hardcore Mario fan, but even I agree that Sonic wins, no questions asked

[@awesomeblacka4423]

Wait. I just had a thought. If death battle made Mario win while including other versions of himself, doesn’t that mean Archie sonic should’ve been allowed for fairness?

[@chuckflash]

Mario defeated dreamy bowser, who was amped by an infinite number of dreams. And thanks to mario party we know that dreams are universe… We also know mario is capable of piloting the star diver which travels several hundred lightyears in seconds. Hed be able to react to sonic.

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@awesomeblacka4423 They specifically said they weren’t including Archie Sonic in that fight

[@cupoochie4374]

He doesn’t win

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@chuckflash it's crazy how thats over looked even a base mario could fight a bowser who treanted to destroy the dream port that has infinite universes and paralle dimensions

[@Corvolet5]

Honestly at this point, comparing Mario to Sonic is like comparing a grenade to a hydrogen bomb.

[@chris1229sonic]

com Mario vs com sonic Paper Mario and Mario kun Carrys

[@Corvolet5]

@@chris1229sonic Ah yes, paper figures "carry". Argument of all time

[@chris1229sonic]

@@Corvolet5 strength wise

[@Plurbi]

@@chris1229sonicwater:

[@chris1229sonic]

@@Plurbi he doesn’t die from water

[@monotonesammy]

A small correction on the Super form. Since the Advance games are canon, the super form can easily last for a few days. The rings are a gameplay mechanic that don’t actually apply to him as a character. Also, faster than light is the BARE MINIMUM for his speed. But yeah, great video! I love that you give Mario his best stuff, and push him to his limits regardless of how it’d end the same way anyway.

[@complete8423]

Actually, that argument can be deflected… But, I do have one the is indisputably true. Death Egg Zone, Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Sonic runs out of the Death Egg and activates Super Sonic, saving himself from the fall. So, you may be thinking, he just used rings. But wait, THERE ARE NO RINGS ON THE DEATH EGG. In cannon, those fights are done damagless, Sonic has 0 rings. Meaning that he activated and maintained Super Sonic, with 0 rings. So yeah, ring limit is 100% just a game mechanic.

[@monotonesammy]

@@complete8423 He also survived a black hole with no rings. So it's ABSOLUTELY just a game mechanic. Not to mention some canon games don't even USE rings. Black Knight being the one that comes to mind. But yeah, Super Sonic FARRRR outlasts Mario.

[@How_to_Get_Soloed_101]

That scene in Advance was off-screen. Considering the abundance of Rings in space, Super Sonic could’ve easily survived, and there are various cutscenes where Rings function like they do in gameplay. Mania scenes, Sonic having to knock the Rings out of SA2 Shadow to defeat him in Generations, Rings being brought up in numerous cutscenes like when Tails acknowledges Eggman using Rings to build his themepark or Silver stealing Tails’ Rings, etc.

[@sonicdml4175]

@@How_to_Get_Soloed_101 Rings do exist in the lore, but they are not needed for Sonic to maintaing a Super Form or take a hit, they just help with both, but are not needed.

[@hm-gd4te]

Rings are literally a shield for sonic until he’s hurt has anyone watched sonic prime??

[@kuriboi952]

This debate is probably never gonna end. Not mad tho.😂

[@laurenmcfarlane6490]

“possibilities are never ending”

[@Remag-mt2xv]

⁠​⁠@@laurenmcfarlane6490”I see it, I see it and now it's all within my reach”

[@DankMemeKing]

@@Remag-mt2xv "Endless possibilityyyyyyy!"

[@Remag-mt2xv]

@@DankMemeKing “I see it, I see it now; it’s always been inside of me”

[@dayvonlouis5187]

Some debates are fun it’s a good way to show knowledge and love for a series it’s only when the insults starts or the debates turn to shipping🤮 in franchises where romance is not the focus do they become unpleasant

[@dsw-2898]

Damn I didn't think a guy who thinks Peppa pig is a serial killer would make a power scaling video and give good points

[@imanaalsayegh]

I know right😅

[@miguelmendoza854]

Peppa pig is like 7 feet tall and she's a kid

[@Darkdesires186]

He really lowballed mario tho

[@thestickmansavioryt1941]

​@@Darkdesires186He didn't lowball Mario. Even if he did it doesn't change who the winner is.

[@yummynubs3646]

@nrpg0108 nah, Mario just built weak

[@Call_me_Akaza]

A italian guy who can't even break creature shells VS anthropomorphic blue hedgehog who breaks metal for a living.

[@NotAClueWhy]

I disagree with the "SM64, Galaxy, Odyssey Mario are different Marios." because they are most likely the same Mario. Other than that this video is really accurate. Also if Mario had the white Tanooki Suit I would just teleport him into Marble Zone or somethin.

[@SonicSwift99]

Yeah that was the one point I really didn't agree with. Obviously Paper Mario is the only real different Mario but the rest are the same character. Speaking of which, it's important to differentiate Paper Mario from regular Mario because Paper Mario is whooping Sonic's ass any day of the week. Which is why that specific version of Mario is often paired against Archie Sonic which is a much more fair fight.

[@CatfishMys]

​@@SonicSwift99Shigeru Miyamoto literally confirmed that every mario is the SAME mario... Also, paper Mario references several things from the mainline games. Same goes for the rpg games.

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@CatfishMys EXACTLY

[@SonicSwift99]

@@CatfishMys Doesn’t matter what anybody says if the material shows otherwise. The head of Sonic Team wants Sonic Prime to be canon yet that show is impossible to place in the main canon thanks to the many inconsistencies. Same goes for the Archie and IDW comics, which also mention past games.

[@rosamiranda8845]

@@CatfishMys so i guess movie mario is the same as video game mario by your logic

[@KaatoSN]

And to top it all off, sega had to remove hyper sonic from the series because it's so overpowered that it can literally destroy walls by just touching them (shown in game) and can even breathe underwater.

[@metroidcomet]

Plus being able to flash an entire screen, killing anything in sight

[@hypersonic4562]

It's so strong, it can even kill some of the players

[@jacobwright3171]

Fax

[@haloboy3349]

Mario can breathe underwater in base

[@hypersonic4562]

@@haloboy3349 then how can he drown in the 3d games?

[@M64bros]

Sometimes as a Mario and Sonic fan, I really absolutely despise the two fighting. The two are basically friends nowadays

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

Red midget and his alien blue friend... wait... that's just Lilo and Stitch...

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

@@mikedanielespeja6128 wouldn't even be suprised if Disney took inspiration from them

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

An italian vietnam veteran and a furry with blue hair and pronouns.... that sounds like an amazing friendship!

[@M64bros]

@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob indeed

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

​@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoobThat fury who once used to be a Cosmo warrior and a MMA fighter.

[@snowy8132]

As an honorable mention and fun fact, there's a secret red star power up in Super Mario Galaxy 1 that basically lets Mario fly freely, unlike the wing cap that has that whole momentum flying system going on in SM64

[@noob3702]

im pretty sure sonic would be able to steal any powerup that mario uses

[@solarradiationgaming1]

​@@noob3702 Correct brother

[@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT]

As a Super Mario fan, I know damn well that Mario has no chance defeating Sonic at all, so I have to admit that Sonic takes the W Edit: this fucking war is still going on, HELP ME 😭

[@trixx_w]

(Mario out swimming a black hole in Mario party): am I a joke to you?

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

You do realize that White Tanooki Mario dying to lava has the same reasoning behind it as to why Hyper Sonic dies by being crushed right with it being a gameplay restriction since otherwise you can break a lot of the lava levels with it? Also Sonic has never escaped a black hole before only outrun it for a bit same as how Mario was able to swim from it in Mario Party

[@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT]

@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official oh, okay. But I really don't remember when Mario swimming out of a black hole tho 😂

[@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT]

@@trixx_w now that had me 😂

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT Type in “Mario Party Black Hole Boogie”

[@Hi_My_Names_Ryan]

Actually a good video with good points. Finally. Didnt even mention archie comics scaling cuz he doesnt even need it

[@quikskoprbro968]

Some of the points he makes aren’t actually true

[@Shonin23]

@@quikskoprbro968Cope

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

​@@Shonin23you cope

[@BehemothOrga21445]

I totally agree. I have been a fan of mario but sonic is just better. The quote “Running around at the speed of sound” always got me when I was a kid and made me like sonic. The sonic vs mario debate is probably over because of this video.

[@ihatebilly4675]

👆🤓

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

Trust me, this debate will probably never end, and I don’t think this video would end it.

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

So you admit sonic wins because you like sonic better 💀💀

[@BehemothOrga21445]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Exactly.

[@thechickenhouse3187]

@BehemothOrga21445 so ur being biased?

[@sonic6054]

loving the videos bro, actually stopped what i was working on to finish watching this, keep it up!

[@Reddudetheog1219]

This man did a better video on this debate than death battle

[@Walterblack594]

Facts

[@_Sxoul]

True

[@xNeoSupreme]

Pure facts

[@cupoochie4374]

He didn’t “Oh boo who the character I think loses won” Deathbatte did a great animation and imo, more accurate victor with less accurate research

[@Reddudetheog1219]

@@cupoochie4374 just because they did a good animation doesn’t make it automatically better

[@chyperhypersonic]

I do love mario and sonic tho but sonic solos tho❤

[@Sillybillly222]

I have to agree

[@TOS_563.]

Yeah but tiny detail that is sometimes overlooked is that Mario and sonic are friends

[@Sillybillly222]

@@TOS_563. fr fr

[@Thing_of_somes]

Game mario and sonic = mario wins Movie mario and sonic = sonic win Strongest forms of mario and sonic = sonic

[@Aaron.800]

@@Thing_of_somes no, ty just broke down why sonic solos, he only used game sonic because archie sonic is overkill, sonic can beat mario through sheer speed alone, he almost outran a blackhole in his base form and he didnt outrun it just because he was tired and had 0 rings sonic just negs

[@ScratchToonsNetwork-Powerful]

Nintendo is drunk, wanna know why? They made a disturbing music in Super Paper Mario named "River Twygz Bed"

[@tejasb1239]

I also find it funny too, a majority of kids games with the most bizzare and disturbing soundtracks are made by Nintendo, the most frightening and unnerving being the Giygas theme from Earthbound. Idk why they do it, either for fun or there is something far more sinister. Either way it's messed up. P.S, actually even SEGA US branch made a disturbing final boss theme in Sonic CD, and another bizzare soundtrack in SA2, idk what that was. But yeah, even SEGA has sometimes also added absurd soundtracks to kid-friendly games.

[@BillyBobJoe-d3f]

Lol

[@ShinDanielll]

I don’t think that people understand that Mario is just a stupid freaking ordinary person!All the things he can do is exactly what WE can do

[@justjames4]

Ordinary people can't jump multiple times their own height and complete parkour challenges in outer space.

[@Shadowthehairhoob]

Or lift buildings. Sonic still solos

[@Sploochey]

Can you shoot fireballs?

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

I would actually love to hear your takes on other Mario vs. Sonic match ups, like Luigi vs. Tails, Bowser vs. Eggman, ect. Also, I don't think rings will be a problem for Sonic, since he could always just summon more like in Frontiers.

[@lucygardiner7594]

or in nazo unleased where shadic grabs rings from all over the world

[@gsm4919]

Luigi isn’t expanded in enough really. I wish he was cause he’s my 2nd favourite Mario character but there’s just not enough info on him. Bowser vs Eggman would be cool but I think the egghead would win. Bowsers just brute strength while Eggman has workarounds to that

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

@@gsm4919 I mean, Bowser does have a few power ups like Grand Star and Dreamy.

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

@@lucygardiner7594 Nazo Unleashed it's fanom bruh, like SMBZ.

[@gsm4919]

@@cirnosnumberfan6449 Dreamy bowser isn’t really a power-up. He had to inhale a stone to achieve that form and with eggmans machinery he would get to the stone first provided he knew what it did. He’s also come into contact with power like that before. In a game called sonic shuffle there are stones called precious stones that have the kind of same power. As for grandstars, have we actually seen what they can do. We’ve seen them be used to achieve light speed but that’s it Im pretty sure

[@ZeekeyProductions561]

No joke, Sonic easily can take Mario in a death battle, even if Mario is in his golden tanooki suit, and sonic is in base form, sonic could grab and dump him into lava before Mario even realizes he’s moving

[@ssh4656]

ye right and let's be real sonic has more strength than mario in any of his forms even the golden tanooki

[@wubproductions9755]

Thing is wouldn’t base sonic die the moment he touches Mario due to the golden tanooki suit auto killing anything Mario touches

[@ssh4656]

@@wubproductions9755 well what if sonic boosted into him that will kill mario ofc

[@SonicSwift99]

@@wubproductions9755 Super Sonic is the same thing so it would be a stalemate. But the golden tanooki suit is non standard in the first place as the only way Mario can obtain it is by dying first.

[@ZeekeyProductions561]

@@wubproductions9755 even if he manages to get this, Sonic can always use rocks or other objects that aren’t considered a living being, as Mario’ golden tanooki does not effect any non living objects, most notably being ground. Meaning sonic could use a large chunk of ground to work as gloves and shove him into lava

[@Plushskitz]

Sonic is built to be that guy in a fight

[@coolgang6028]

👇sonic team

[@wubproductions9755]

This is the first time I’ve seen anyone bring up the fact sonic has his own super star power up, makes you wonder why no one talks about it

[@trixx_w]

No one talks about it because the super star is better because it lasts longer

[@gsm4919]

@@trixx_wnot really. Sonics invincibility power up lasts 20 seconds in sonic 3 which would beat Mario’s 15 seconds

[@LCLGod]

Because of Super Sonic which is clearly better?

[@wubproductions9755]

@@LCLGod thing is he wouldn’t even need to use super sonic, the 2nd comment said that in sonic 3 it lasts for 20 seconds so he could just stall out Mario’s superstar power up and speed blitz him

[@LCLGod]

@@wubproductions9755 Star Mario isn't even close to the Pure Hearts

[@JonyPlayz1]

Interesting video. You have really good points honestly

[@paulgilbert5278]

Nah

[@noob3702]

@@paulgilbert5278man sthu 💀

[@footballismylife9107]

@@paulgilbert5278your Profile Pic makes sense

[@paulgilbert5278]

Touch grass. That was dam near a year ago. Like, I forgot I commented here…

[@Sonic15914]

Finally, this guy understands that Mario couldn’t beat Sonic

[@SonicM216]

fr bro

[@HoWhat-x5e]

Just remember that mario is just a normal guy thats a plumber. If he gets a powerup he'll have a teeny tiny advantage but hes cooked.

[@Cool_stuff-uv2vo]

Dont get me wrong. I love mario…..but when i was 6,5,7,8 sonic made my childhood, i was a MASSIVE sonic fan, and i still am.

[@maxjames2261]

this debate have been going on for 30 years and i dont think people would stop

[@mariosonic9153]

10 years shouldve already been a red flag 💀

[@jayson.win231]

Probably cause Mario fans love to debate

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK.

[@paulgilbert5278]

Sonic fans are miffed that the GameCube/GBA era was when the series was at its pinnacle. So they’ve gotta extract their untapped aggression on Mario.

[@jayson.win231]

@@paulgilbert5278 what

[@Henrystickmin538]

The whole Mario Vs. Sonic debate is basically Human vs. Hedgehog but still sonic wins.

[@Muicheerio]

8:12 idk why but this spongebob clip had me dying 😭

[@SonicSwift99]

As a massive Sonic fan, I'll give some benefit to Mario with powerscaling and say it's a close fight. I think Mario's power ups and durability can give him the win against base Sonic but Super Sonic would whoop him especially after the Frontiers' buffs.

[@quikskoprbro968]

But not enough to beat shadow

[@CatfishMys]

Literally biased.

[@paulo547]

Sonic has gained durability in Frontiers, considering he can parry any attacks and can do a pseodo chaos control for a few seconds.

[@SonicSwift99]

@@CatfishMys How? A lot of people here are saying that Mario stands no chance while I said that Mario actually has a win con.

[@CatfishMys]

@@SonicSwift99 It's still biased... from my pov, it just sounds like you don't know much of what Mario's actually capable of, like majority of the commenters in the comment section.

[@JaSonic1977]

Hey. Gonna chime in here with my 2 cents. You're ABSOLUTELY right in saying that Sonic would win the fight. He's all that and teaches people to be very kind to each other, so he wins in that area as well, like when did Mario ever have a "Mario Says" or an equivalent of that in one of his cartoons? Never. Anyway, I am very glad to have Sonic in my life as I am an extreme Sonic fan.

[@Jdudec367]

Nah Mario could win too. Mario always teaches people to be kind to each other and he's pretty kind to everyone and he isn't snarky like Sonic is at times. He didn't, but he also wasn't an asshole in the comics either.

[@leticianeal9147]

@@Jdudec367 Archie Comics and Fleetway comics aren't canon.

[@IAteUranium-238]

​@@Jdudec367how many times can mario get hit in base with collectibles before dying

[@Jdudec367]

@@IAteUranium-238 In the rpgs a lot really.

[@Jdudec367]

@@leticianeal9147 I know

[@noahrice6671]

Black holes actually don’t heat up unless they’ve eaten a star recently. Besides that, if you find a lone black hole with nothing around it, it’s a cold death from there.

[@amalikbraimah9298]

6:32 "get City Escape out of your head'' while simultaneously playing City Escape

[@brasenwollert2455]

Ahh yeah i can see the fact that Sonic wins and as a fan as both of them I appreciate the fact that you took the time to actually specify the Mario you were using and and you bring up actual logic and fun fact did you know we where extremely close to getting an Archie Mario

[@SatisfactionVIP]

we already have a mario kun, we don't need an archie mario

[@SatisfactionVIP]

we already have a mario kun, we don't need an archie mario

[@Absolute_boyo]

That's actually a theory

[@Banana807]

Ok people need to stop bringing the black hole thing for mario, it isnt like sonic where he did it without help, mario needed help of the lumas and rosalina to survive

[@CatfishMys]

Mario can still survive things much bigger and powerful than black holes, like the void from super paper mario.

[@Banana807]

​@@CatfishMysand sonic can too, and sonic doesnt even need power ups, he on his own can do it

[@CatfishMys]

@@Banana807 Mario didn't need any power ups either. and so what if sonic doesn't need power ups? Mario still slams Sonic at the end of the day. Mario's power ups are op as hell. People just don't know it because they're biased and ignorant.

[@Banana807]

​@@CatfishMysyour dick riding mario so hard, no way you believe base mario without any power ups can beat base sonic, MARIO CANT EVEN RUN FASTER THAN SONIC IN BASE WHAT IS BLUD WAFFLING ABOUT 💀

[@bubblewaffle1558]

​you cant actually back up any of what you're saying

[@LCLGod]

Paper Mario is canon, in Yoshi's Island DS there is a clear hint of it. Also, bro forgot to talk about RPGs and tried to sneak in In-game mechanics.

[@LCLGod]

But prompts to him for at least trying to do a good power scale video without repeating himself and giving vague arguments

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

bruh

[@complete8423]

@@LCLGodIDK why I have to explain this. “Cannon” does not mean main series or Main Cannon. Paper Mario isn’t the same as Main Cannon Mario, RPG Mario I’m pretty sure has been directly stated to be non-cannon, And Superstar Saga is DEFINITELY not the same as Cannon Mario.

[@LCLGod]

@@complete8423 LMAO. First of all, it's "canon". Second of all, Miyamoto himself stated in a The Legend Zelda Breath Of The Wild interview that every Mario from the games is the same Mario unlike Link. And third there is a LOT of hints that games are connected like Mario & Luigi referencing Paper Mario and the first Mario and The Seven Star Children from Yoshi's Island DS and The Seven Star Spirits from Paper Mario 64.

[@complete8423]

@@LCLGod Just because they ‘reference’ other games, doesn’t make ‘em the same guy.

[@Ryerson_Galaxies-edits]

0:12 my opinion, they’re equal, (except when it comes to some certain video games from both series)

[@thesadbread]

This is the definition of facts. You accounted everything I’ve been saying. This is canon!

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

Fax no its bias

[@darrsample5110]

Ik bro this is fax

[@bubblewaffle1558]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 just accept the fat plomber takes this L

[@bigprogaymer6923]

​@@thelegendarymarioman8461proof?

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@bigprogaymer6923 Well I just recently found out that Ty took the "race swap Mario's" out of context. I found out he got that footage from the Gameboy game called "Qix" and according to its manual on page 16 it says: At the end of a 1 PLAYER game, Mario will give you a performance which changes depending on your score. See how many different ones you can achieve. The manual claims those "Mario's" to be the SAME Mario.

[@DJ792YT]

"Game mechanics won't be used" 10:48 12:13

[@squidzytispog]

am i the only one that actually see this

[@DJ792YT]

@@squidzytispog No you are not, friend

[@paulo547]

Tell me in which part of the video he says this, 'cuz i can' t really find it

[@DJ792YT]

@@paulo547 0:31

[@paulo547]

@@DJ792YT Well he didn't refer to the whole game mechanics, but only some of them. Time limit, death by falling, or travelling through the map weren't allowed. It's still valid

[@DePeza]

I love both of them, but these were all facts for my childhood hero to come out on top, Everyone always does forgets about hyper sonic cause he was only in one game sadly but its imagine modern sonic being able to go hyper

[@leiftoons5644]

Well, Ian Flynn stated that hyper sonic would've been in frontiers, but due Sega not liking the idea, it was scrapped.

[@tankmoneyz2035]

​@@leiftoons5644 Lets be fr Hyper Sonic was gonna be too op

[@leiftoons5644]

@@tankmoneyz2035 ehh I guess

[@game_projections]

Mario and Sonic stand, opposing each other, on either side of a grey field. Mario makes his move, eating a fireflower, He shoots flames out of His fists. Sonic yawns, finishes His chilidog and speeds forwards. Sonic leaps forwards, jumping over the fireballs, and aims a kick at Mario, who deflects it by eating a mushroom. Sonic jumps up and delivers a dropdash, tearing open Mario's knee. the fight ends, Sonic fears He may get sued by the frail and not very hedgehog-resistant plumber, but Mario forgives Him and calls it a tie. just then, Luigi and Tails appear, clearly having been in a fight themselves, neither are seriously injured proving that they, at least are evenly matched.

[@MrKaizoKong]

Honestly, with this video. There are multiple things that I disagree with. I'm going to deliver a few counterarguments. If anyone wants to respond to this, don't be a toxic jerk like the people on Twitter. 1. COMPOSITE MARIO In Death Battle's defense, Mario as a universe is fairly inconsistent. One minute, Yoshi speaks complete sentences, and the next minute, he's simply saying his own name over and over like a pokemon. One minute, Cranky Kong is DK's grandfather, the next, he's simply his father. Also, it's not outlandish to say that other media like the Manga or the 2023 Movie can be used (with the exception of Paper Mario and the 1993 film, of course), let alone all of the video games, especially when later games like Super Mario Odyssey reference past media as early as Super Mario Bros on the nes. Put it this way, Sonic is more similar to that of anime or comic book characters like Goku or Spider Man, meanwhile Mario is more comparable to your Saturday morning cartoon character that can be put in any situation imaginable. Shigeru Miyamoto states in an interview that Mario as a character is similar to Mickey Mouse, a character whose backgrounds are also fairly inconsistent. However, to say that each Mario is an entire different person in each installment of the main game series, because of how the game is played, is absolutely ridiculous. Meanwhile, Sonic is given basically everything he has, which is blatantly unfair on Mario's end, especially when considering Mario and other characters have always had the same personalities and basic abilities in the main series. 2. SONIC ADVANCE Advance Sonic is Classic Sonic? Then why is Sonic notably lankier. Why does he have green eyes, why is his fur much darker when compared to Sonic 1 and other classic games? In fact, Sonic Advance was released several months after Sonic Adventure 2, in which the actual classic era of Sonic officially ended a few years prior. 3. WEAKENING BOSSES Actually, the Time Eater has been shown weak to the Chaos Emeralds. As made evident by its reaction when bumping into the red emerald in one scene. So, technically, the Time Eater might be in the same boat. 4. SOLARIS Honestly, I think scaling Super Sonic to Solaris is wayyy too dubious for multiple reasons. First off, Solaris is drawing from powers that Super Sonic doesn't possess. Second, Sonic needed to exploit weak points all over Solaris' body in order to defeat Solaris. 5. SPEED Looking over at Mario Odyssey (yes I am using Odyssey), Mario has been shown quick enough to maneuver through electric wires. Electricity moves through wires at about 880,991 times faster than sound, or just over the speed of light. However, Sonic still takes this. In Sonic Prime, Sonic makes an incredible move between two lasers. In order to make these movements possible, he needed to move at over 9 times the speed of light. While it is faster than Mario, it's not as fast as Ty is making it out to be. Both could be increased even further with speed boosting power ups like the Super Star, Super Bell, Super Sneakers, or Super Sonic (phew, lotta super in one sentence). It does also go without saying that Sonic blows Mario outta the water in terms of travel speed. So there's that. 6. INVINCIBILITY As far as I'm seeing these things, the Invincibility Shield doesn't give an exact stat increase either unlike the Super Star. Even then, Mario has the rainbow star too, which also allows invincibility, though it doesn't offer a stat increase like the super star does. This is noticable in the Super Show cartoons, the Super Mario Bros Movie, and the Manga. On top of this, Mario has the Bottomless Gloves, which basically means he can pull as many power ups outta his butt as many times as he wants. The same can't be said for Sonic, who's basically stuck with whatever he's got. Though, Sonic's Cyloop can be used to pull more Rings out of the ground, which can be used to keep Super/Hyper Sonic sustained. So, both can just keep constantly feeding themselves Stars and Rings to outlast each other. So yeah, that alone? Not that much of a factor. 7. TIME LIMITS Sonic could have 999 rings... assuming that he just happens to have that many at the start of the fight. 8. POWER UP COMBOS Now, technically Mario can combine various power ups in the Manga. Of course, that is if you want to use the manga, there is debate over that, but the Manga arcs are general adaptations of the video games. Kinda like how Sonic X is an anime adaptation of various Sonic games from that era like Adventure or Battle. 9. TANOOKI MARIO CAN'T FLY There are instances where Mario can fly with the Super Leaf. The Tanooki leaf in-game can be upgraded with a P-wing, which does allow for infinite flight. Additionally, in other media like the Super Mario Bros Movie, Mario is capable of actual flight. 10. TAGGING SONIC Of course, you can argue this for Sonic as well, but Mario can use the stopwatch and freeze time on Sonic, which is something that he shows no immunity to. That's made especially clear in his fights against Shadow. Of course, Sonic can likely use Chaos Control to freeze time, but he's never used it in canon, unlike Shadow. 11. LAVA Actually, Mario can still take lava based abilities and moves. Though in the Manga, it is shown that the White Tanooki form doesn't make Mario completely invincible. It also doesn't help that Mario can stand inside of a burning sun while fighting Bowser in Galaxy. Furthermore, Hyper Sonic isn't that much better given that he can still get crushed by moving platforms. This is the problem. I'm seeing Mario being downplayed through common game mechanics with Sonic not being given the same treatment. 12. DURABILITY Looking at what both Mario and Sonic has pulled off and what they can scale to. Mario is durable enough to take hits from Donkey Kong who could punch the moon down to Earth, given the mass of the moon and the speed of which it moved, DK must've hit it with a force equal to 41 ninatons of TNT. Heck, he was taking hits from him back to back, and has even defeated him multiple times. Super Sonic draws power from the Chaos Emeralds. In Sonic Unleashed, the Emeralds were so powerful that they could move pieces of the Earth around. Given the mass of the Earth and the speed of which each piece was moved, this would require about 2.8 yottatons of TNT. So, Mario surprisingly has a huge edge in durability, even over Super Sonic, and that's not including items that can increase his durability further, like the Metal box, the Mega Mushroom. But again, Hyper Sonic is completely invincible like the Super Star, and I've already talked about that. 13. SONIC CAN CREATE BLACK HOLES Sure, he does have abilities like the violet wisp, which allows Sonic to suck objects and enemies in and take them out via bfr (even though Mario can use the retry clock or earlier times to reset the fight with a clearer picture on how big of a threat Sonic actually is). However, outright summoning a black hole through sheer speed alone, is not something that Sonic, or even Super Sonic has ever performed. These are the kind of things that don't make a lot of sense in the context of a vs debate. Super Mario Bros and Sonic the Hedgehog don't follow the same laws of physics as our world. That's why Sonic doesn't blow up the planet every time he takes a step. It's Fiction. That being said, I don't hate Ty for making this. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I just have different views on how this would play out. For the record, Sonic could take the fight a few times out of a hundred. It's not like Mario wins 100% of the time. ...And yes Archie Sonic practically solos.

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

I agree with your points I also found this video kind of bias towards Sonic when he says that every Mario in each of his games is an entirely different Mario and his only reasoning for believing this is to base it all on the art style of the games (What I mean is him saying Mario from 64, Galaxy, and Odyssey are entirely different Mario’s). In fact, I can very easily debunk this theory by pointing towards Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Odyssey. In Sunshine when FLUDD is scanning Mario there’s a little video that shows Mario’s past adventures (Such as SMB1 and Super Mario 64 for example) and in Odyssey when Mario captures Bowser we see his memories which show the events of SMB1, SMB3, SMW, and SM64. Need more proof? Ok then look at Galaxy 2 in that game there’s a level called Throwback Galaxy and in this galaxy it’s Whomp’s Fortress and in that level you’ll notice that the walls that had a star in it that you needed the cannon to break are now gone. Which means Mario has been to this place before.

[@kingnick460]

@@Duke-the-crow sonic in his base has immeasurable speed in sonic forces, archie sonic on the other hand speed is above game sonic speed, xeno goku speed is inaccruate and get debunked

[@paulgilbert5278]

@Hapless-Horse Fr. Mario Kun easily solos and Marioplex transcends that

[@oompaloompagamerXD]

The mario universe is so confusing since each game contradicts itself but the creator said everything is canon. Mario can dodge lasers in one game but can't outrun a canonball in the next. I'd give strength to mario since he outswam a black hole in mario party 6 but overall I think sonic wins

[@Number1ratedsalesmansince_97]

I feel like sonic would just run laps around mario as he could do nothing about it then he'd start beating mario like there's no future just to show he could.

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

If we factor in personality, I'd say Sonic would go easy on Mario to do a buncha quips.

[@noob3702]

yea mario gets soloed so easily that sonic can just form a tornado and fling mario 💀

[@SuperGamer64_1]

Just put it like this Sonic=Speed Mario=Strength

[@blue-flare7060]

I was remember that one meme where Mario tried to hit Sonic but Sonic was moving so fast having Mario thinking Sonic is lagging.

[@CypherMario]

It can honestly just go either way like I said, we never seen them in a fight and ppl will just keep on debating them, we don't know if sonic base destroys all Mario's forms or mario base destroys all sonics forms bc at the end of the day it's just an opinion, and I will respect it, we have so many forms it's kinda hard to count, and the only time we seen them fight kinda is smash but that's not their true power level so we are not sure who wins but nice vid again :D

[@shrekssecretadmirer1065]

I would love to come to that simple of a conclusion but sadly mario stands no chance. It's just like he said, mario will lose before he can even recognize what happened because sonic is just that fast, durable and strong.

[@Waffl3s264]

@@shrekssecretadmirer1065Paper Mario has immeasurable speed. (Yes they’re the same person, it’s literally been shown for years, you can tell who plays and who doesn’t play the games if they take Paper Jam as an explanation no questions asked)

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

@@Waffl3s264SUUUUURE I litterally asked one

[@Waffl3s264]

@@starwarsmontagemadigan1758 You literally didn’t?

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

@@Waffl3s264 asked my frend but he really isn't that much i'll come back later

[@ZavionRazzak-vv5jr]

And less not forget, Sonic defeated the STRONGEST villain in super smash bros. Mario couldn’t even do that.

[@MintflameP.2]

Which game is that again? Melee, or brawl? Anyways, Sonic's super form is TOO powerful. Sure, in some games, is pretty much just speed monitor and invincibility monitor, but in other ones like Generations or Frontiers, it can defeat gods with JUST that form. Sure, you could also say "Oh, but in generations, there's two of him, so he's two times stronge-" SHUT UP. It wasn't the help of the past and present versions of himself that allowed him to defeat the Time Eater, but it was his friends cheering him on. All of them, both timelines. And this is without even MENTIONING some other forms that could questionably be stronger than Super, like maybe the unused potential o f the TIME STONES. Like, what could those things do? could they make Sonic so fast that he exists in the past, present and future? different timelines, all at once. And another thing, what about HYPER SONIC?? He was used in one game alone. We don't even know what he can do, because like I said earlier, it was kind of like a stacked speed monitor and invincibility with sort of like a flash step. Think about that.

[@solarradiationgaming1]

​@@MintflameP.2 And don't even forget Dark sonic, Darkspine sonic,Super Sonic 2 (in frontiers DLC) and Ultra sonic who can literally destroy timelines because as The force formula relies on speed with more speed being more power And since sonic can travel 329 Octillion or 329 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times the speed of light, and light speed is near 300million Kilometers per second, if you were to put this speed into the formula it would be able to end Galaxies and even A portion of the observable universe and one more thing, The speed I just told you was of sonic base form and since super sonic has infinite speed that means sonic can destroy reality itself, screw universes and multiverses bro can end reality as we know it

[@jingjinggao2020]

Bruh you forgot Archie sonic which can punch someone one so hard that it deletes over 3 billion dimensions and runs faster than the cameraman🗿🗿

[@InfernoSage]

Not cameraman

[@scooby_doobies]

The Archie comics on a canon only the IDW comics

[@Joker3180Z]

Archie Sonic isn't the same as Game Sonic though

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

Mario: let’s a g- Gets cut in half

[@ArjonJackson]

Wouldn't happen at all

[@Hellom7]

​@@ArjonJackson yes it would

[@ArjonJackson]

@@Hellom7 no it wouldn't

[@Hellom7]

@@ArjonJackson so you're saying that a hedgehog that can saw through metal can't saw through a human

[@ArjonJackson]

@@Hellom7 Also dies to metal, and Mario will beat his ass

[@SqueezeableLemons]

being a fan of both mario and sonic i'm aware of what both can do, and with all of the credit that sonic gets it's also kinda weird that people overlook when compairing feats and stuff like solaris which people don't tend to give 06 a second thought, sonic defeating gods and beings beyond time and space it's self i mean mario has done the same if not for the games that are canon to the storyline as each indiviaul mario has been recently confirmed it's just mario like the ones in the canon story are from super mario bros. through 64 up to sunshine and odyseey also having mario party 5 being canon being linked to dream team and paper mario since the dream port holds infinite amount of dreams and universes and parrelle universes which a dreamy bowser had control of and mario fought him on the same turf with luigi in the dream world. lets also not forget that in galaxy mario has survived a universe level hell even multiversal event with bowsers's star reactor and even fighting a grand star bowser in base form who was moving at the center of the universe with a black hole consuming stuff. and with mario party 5 being canon and them having minigames in there with out running a black hole that obviously gives mario atleast a leg up despite sonic being way faster. and mario is also strong too in base form from majority of his fights with bowser and or in the rpg games. but honestly ignoring game mechanics and junk like that mario dying to lava same could be said for sonic being super but drowning and or being crushed. it can honestly go either way for mario or sonic because they're both stacked up on abilities. it's good video but i'm noticing a slight bias abit

[@SqueezeableLemons]

all the paper mario games and rpgs being canon to one another meaning mario universes are connected as well.

[@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028]

Dude, forgot about the storybooks and Sonic Shuffle.

[@TCBlueFire]

​@@SqueezeableLemonsthis video was extremely biased it not even funny lmao

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028 Story books series is canon to sonic's timeline too so not even mention how broken the excaliber sonic and dark spine are

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@TCBlueFire it is sadly like mainly sonic bais and thats a constant trend i see, like no disrespect to this person but honestly i'm sick and tired people not doing extentive research on both characters for it to be a valid arguement. because mario and sonic are just as powerful if not equals in strength and junk. Mario has fast the same amount of threats that sonic also faces. Especially with begins like Erazer Jin,Solaris, Chaos, and The END and the Time eater and Dark gaia. along with eggman doing stuff. same could be said for Antasma,Culex,Super Dimenio,Fawful,Cackletta, Count Bleck and his Goons, not to mention Bowser on multiple occassions who progressively gets stronger and more powerful each time he fights him. like put some actual respect on mario for once instead of selling him short

[@Zaidandthesonicverse]

Bruh why does this sound so cool with the song great outro man 14:07

[@Zaidandthesonicverse]

Bruh the no difficulty got me like DAMN BRO YOU THOUGHT HIM A LESSON

[@gimmiK87]

8:42 another thing nobody brings up is that Sonic’s invincibility item needs to be stronger in order to surpass is base durability than Mario’s does for Mario

[@MERCS-V8]

Bro literally unlocked unforseen brain power we never thought he could unleash like all these calculations are just insane

[@dylanrodriguez-rb3ud]

I love both characters a lot, but I immediately put my money on sonic, since he has so much more feats that are extreme, and more stronger forms.

[@balanced__5137]

His forms are not stronger than Mario's, the strongest form for sonic couldn't touch or do anything to star powered or golden tanuki. He would literally die in one hit, I mean wonder why they dont use those stars or power ups in the new games.

[@bradleyclermanceau]

​​@@balanced__5137 what's stopping Sonic to wait 15 seconds for the ability to end

[@balanced__5137]

@@bradleyclermanceau mario could easily stack up on star powers anyways, plus the tanuki suit doesnt even go away, sonic has a time limit for his super form, what's stopping mario from waiting? Nothing.

[@alonsovenegas4444]

@@balanced__5137the only way Mario can even get that form is by DYING 5 times. Sonic wins

[@bradleyclermanceau]

@@balanced__5137 the rings are mechanical to the game so the player does it go crazy on the super Sonic does not need the rings

[@OfficialVCip]

“Mario has better video games!” Sonic frontiers: am i a joke to you?

[@Chckster]

If you like sonic frontiers you’ll LOVE Mario odyssey….. or galaxy….. or 64….. or Galaxy 2- Huh I guess Mario just did frontiers better in the 90s lol

[@TreyDa3rd22]

It doesn't matter if this video apparently gets debunked sonic still wins

[@juanyz5351]

about kirby.... the thing with kirby is that, hes pretty beatable....in the games and the anime he gets squished, sliced, turned into a ball, punched, etc..... he can faint and feel weak, but he can't actually die.... his star soul saved him once, and those soul things are something unique in the kirby games...

[@trisxart2393]

Yes, people think he's all that even though I love Kirby to death. They think he's strong when really he's just durable but can be destroyed.

[@i_like_videogames9517]

@@trisxart2393I mean, he IS a bit strong… I don’t think destroying your home planet with one punch and launching away a giant meteor coming at full speed with a bat can be considered weak…

[@trisxart2393]

@@i_like_videogames9517 Yes, but compared to Mario and especially sonic that's nothing ..

[@i_like_videogames9517]

@@trisxart2393 Since when did Mario have that strength?

[@trisxart2393]

@@i_like_videogames9517 Mario can just get an invincibility power up by dying 5 times and it's ggs

[@HeatwaveBeam]

Ya know, i always see Sonic vs Mario, but Sonic AND Mario is unstoppable.

[@DiagonalTanooki]

true!!!!!

[@noob3702]

lego sonic solos both

[@3DoublePoint]

Super Sonic is not invincible? Explain why Knuckles punch Super Sonic out of his body. Form in "Sonic & Knuckles" beginning of the cutscene. It's true That we all see Knuckles did the same thing with Doctor Robotnik while using the Master Emerald in the Sonic movie 2. Edit: Yall, just remember. He either got hit and loses his super from by those giant robots in Sonic Frontiers.

[@NullzerReborn]

That's what I'm saying

[@gsm4919]

The conclusion is that it’s been stated in the games before that the master emerald neutralises the power of the chaos emeralds and so when Eggman told knuckles that a super powers sonic was coming to steal the emerald, knuckles used the power of the master emerald to neutralise super sonic. As for frontiers I have no clue how lasers beat him however it’s ancient tech and the ancients were from a different planet so we don’t know what resources they could have used to build that laser

[@Reset2150676]

@@gsm4919 knuckles didnt know how to use it till adventure 1, your info is invalid. also the lasers are apparently slightly weaker than the eclipse canon

[@Reset2150676]

according to a manual, it was simply "a cheap shot" also super sonic has gotten way stronger since sonic 3

[@gsm4919]

@@Reset2150676 what gave you the idea that knuckles didn’t know how to use the emeralds. I would say he did since he can harness the power of the super emeralds which are like master emeralds themself

[@andersonbrowne4781]

@Tyrecordslos I gonna have to disagree with your "different versions of mario" take, we see in mario sunshine when fludd is collecting data it shows flashbacks to games like super mario bros,super mario world and mario 64, the same goes for oddessy when you take over bowser's body in the final part of the main game, we can see bowser's memories of super mario bros 3, super mario bros 1 and abunch of other mario games, just cause the art style is different doesn't mean that its not the same character, you could say that about almost any franchise like dragon ball. Dragon ball, dragon ball z, and dragon ball super all have different art styles but its still the same goku.(other than that tho, I actually liked the video, nice editing and keep up the good work)(and before you guys say anything yes I know paper mario is not canon)

[@Benja04]

You're correct sir! It's all THE Mario! Paper Mario is a separate character which is explicitly shown and currently stated!

[@Shonin23]

Every Mario is different except the mainline games Mario 1, 2, Lost Lands, 3, 64, Galaxy 1 & 2, Mario 3D World/Land etc…

[@Benja04]

@@Shonin23 THAT'S........ not true Miss.

[@Shonin23]

@@Benja04 *Miss Also it is true

[@Benja04]

@@Shonin23 *Sorry about that. But why do you believe this to be true? There isn't any explicit nor direct confirmation that each of those Mario games or even the Mario spinoffs for that matter are a separate canon. Actually there's evidence that points to the opposite of that opinion!

[@chaoticchaos2177]

Honestly even if you do wanna give Sonic the ring time limit, in Sonic Jump it's stated that he's collected 70 BILLION RINGS which would mean Super or Hyper Sonic would last 2219 YEARS, idk how Mario is gonna outlast that lol

[@Dr_jr_esq]

Sonic could beat Mario on a Monday morning without even leaving his house and without a chilly dog

[@paulgilbert5278]

Yeah Mario Lopez maybe. But the Mario of Nintendo can solo him.

[@TanookyTeneka]

You make an excellent point of characters different versions, but I don't think it's really like that I think that the mainline games all have the same Mario (From SMB to Wonder, including Donkey Kong and Mario Bros), while the Mario & Luigi games have different Marios, so do the spin-offs (I know some characters like Toadette were introduced in spin-offs, but I don't think it really matters), while Paper Mario (And debatably Dr. Mario) Are completely different characters, I do agree that Sonic would win by just existing and people that keep talking about who would win just don't get what makes Mario and Sonic special Also some corrections 9:10 99 seconds? 13:14 Mario isn't that bad against black holes, I know this is probably gameplay mechanics being gameplay mechanics but in Galaxy he can stand a decent distance away from black holes before being consumed by them Also, I'm not very sure about Sonic teleporting or cloning himself, I think that he just moves so fast he just tricks the eye into believing that

[@petesoys6348]

I would say he can still make clones. The grand slam animation does show that the clones are see through, just like every other energy attack that Super Sonic has. So base form Sonic can't really create clones, but Super Sonic can. And if base form Sonic has at least one emerald, he could very easily teleport using Chaos Control. It is normally Shadow's thing, but he has used it before. So Sonic can do both, but they also aren't really essential in his kit, especially when Sonic can already go fast enough to deal as much damage as those clones and he can also just run wherever he wants most of the time.

[@banjo9158]

in Itself Mario don't have a proper timeline, pretty much no continuity, You can haver your own canon for Mario, but Mario in itself has no canon.

[@ihatebilly4675]

@@banjo9158you don’t know what canon is

[@banjo9158]

@@ihatebilly4675 i think you're the one that don't.

[@TanookyTeneka]

@@banjo9158 Then what about Bowser's flashbacks at the end of Odyssey Or just, Odyssey in general

[@dylanwilkinson168]

All of this, and Super sonic still loses to knuckles.

[@noob3702]

knuckles is him, lets be honest tho its bc knuckles is a master at chaos energy manipulation because his connection with the master emerald

[@Bokokirby]

About comp Mario, while I agree that Paper Mario and Mario are different, I do think it is implied in the series that Mario from the mainline games (64, Galaxy, Sunshine, etc) is canonically the same Mario. Visual differences of the Marios is not canon, rather hardware limitations at the time, and there was never any implication in the games and lore that the different Marios across games were actually different people, unlike Sonic who has interacted with and fought alongside classic Sonic. No Marios have ever done this in the way Sonic has, and besides paper Mario there was never talk of timelines and a multiverse of Mario. I think for a fair fight we shouldn’t assume each mainline game is a different Mario in canon just because other franchises like Sonic or Spider Man do similar things. The only one who’s actually different is Paper Mario.

[@ThunderStep_neon]

Take this Death Battle !!!

[@jourdonpatron212]

This didn't age well because the creator said every version of Mario is the same in the games.

[@jayson.win231]

​​@@jourdonpatron212but it did tho

[@MistaBlueSky]

Finally someone who understands both of the worlds

[@JugularJohn]

Bro literally lowballed Mario beyond comprehension. Saying “not all Mario’s are the same Mario” was already a huge red flag 💀

[@paulgilbert5278]

@JugularJohn For real. If he knew about Mario he’d bring up the RPGS specifically Mario and Luigi

[@noob3702]

@@JugularJohnquit being mad, we all know marios inconsistencies

[@JugularJohn]

@@noob3702 now how am I being mad when I’m simply saying “this lowballed Mario and hella glazed Sonic” which it clearly did. And what does Mario’s “inconsistencies” have to do with the argument? Sonic has as much inconsistencies as Mario. I’m not letting someone who’s clearly biased to Sonic tell me off

[@Morbius-Tension]

When u really think about it as long as sonic has rings he’s technically invulnerable

[@Rukabu_Break]

By the way, Sonic can survive the force when inside a black hole. In Zero Gravity, he just goes in, casually beats a god, and then its fin. And in base form too!

[@st2k27]

Mario has also swam away from a black hole but yea sonic still solos

[@Mr.Wahoo77]

I believe Mario has a better chance than you may seem, but I enjoyed the efforts and time you put into your video 🔥

[@Fulmimio]

I think Mario wins. It's a very close battle, but you low balled Mario a lot in this video. Also, if you use kirby in the next video. Kirby vs Sonic, if you make kirby lose it's pretty biased not gonna lie. Kirby litteraly negs everything.

[@axiom6000]

Cap

[@Deidecosta822]

Cagando palavras:

[@maxzillanmore]

“Mario Doesn’t stand a chance, The blue blur, Sonic The Hedgehog wins, No difficulty….” 🗿

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

Nothing but facts

[@ToyMovieMakerProductions]

That’s facts tho. Mario is literally just a normal human being compared to a extraordinary super strengthen hedgehog

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

@@ToyMovieMakerProductions funniest part is without Mario there would be no Sonic. I guess sometimes you surpass the people you idolize

[@ArjonJackson]

Pure cap

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

@@ArjonJackson Mario fanboy

[@Tuffskill]

This plumber can go toe to toe with a being that can survive black holes, lava, and a dip in the sun. He can even throw him far away with just his base power. He's basically similar to knuckles when fighting sonic. Meaning he's not weak without power ups.

[@Garfflided]

"Black Holes" What you talking about pal. And we barely see him going to the sun. You just bringing uncanny feats from your pointless brain pal 💀💀

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

If he CAN pick up King Bomb Omb and spin Bowser around, then it clearly just shows how strong he can be. He can also breath in outer space

[@thefastcommenter7774]

Remember fellas, Mario didn’t survive the black hole without help. Stop using that fact when it simply it isn’t true.

[@patrickdixon7202]

@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoobYet Sonic is too fast for him.

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

@@patrickdixon7202 Mario's reflexes can help him dodge things that are going at the speed of light

[@alanclark626]

Every canon Mario is the same Mario

[@Geekoraphic]

Sonics speed is pretty much auto win for him against mario, I don't even understand why this is a debate bc while mario can be a lot more powerful than most people perceive him the only advantage he has in this fight is raw strength & durability which even then isn't too much since sonic can withstand his limbs moving at lightspeed

[@Jstarredchaos]

I agree with you. Sonic would 100% win. I even made a video disagreeing with death battle on their debate of Mario vs sonic. I just can’t see a realistic way for Mario to win if both are analyzed the same. The only way I could see Mario winning is if he was a strategist and used his power ups wisely to lure sonic into a trap. But Even then it wouldn’t be likely for that to happen

[@LCLGod]

Both videos are wrong, both Sonic and Mario are not on their full potential

[@thechickenhouse3187]

@lowqualitychoas9272 of course u say that u have a shadow pfp, no hate but u seem kinda biased ngl

[@Jstarredchaos]

@@thechickenhouse3187I also have bowser as my channel banner so wouldn't that mean I can be biased towards Mario too? Lol. So my bias would cancel out. I would be perfectly fine with Mario winning if the evidence provided so, But the stats just aren't in Mario's favor. Either way I love both series.

[@itz.yumee15]

@@thechickenhouse3187the hell

[@adamsalt9459]

the entirety of the death battle channel is biased

[@Hectichedgehog]

Now that’s what I call accurate

[@ze3p]

We need Bowser vs eggman

[@chuckflash]

Mario defeated dreamy bowser, who was amped by an infinite number of dreams. And thanks to mario party we know that dreams are universe… We also know mario is capable of piloting the star diver which travels several hundred lightyears in seconds. Hed be able to react to sonic.

[@KingLbow555]

Mario is also capable of swimming out of black holes lmao

[@paulo547]

​@@KingLbow555 Don't bring up Mario party, it's not canon. Literally every single character in the roster can escape the black hole then, making this feat not impressive. Moreover, he just dies in Mario galaxy if he falls into a black hole lmao

[@chuckflash]

@@paulo547lets keep in mind base mario defeated bowser whom survived being sucked into an exploded black hole. Sonic had to be saved by the wisp after being sucked up by a black hole. Mario party is confirmed to detail cannon events aswell

[@thefastcommenter7774]

Keep crying Mario fan 😂

[@gsm4919]

@@chuckflashtbf the black hole sonic ran from was charged by alien energy and knowing Eggman he would have gone for a damn powerful and merry source. I mean the chaos emeralds literally blew up half the moon so who knows what the alien energy can do

[@KookieStar]

*Both are strong, both are equal and y'all need to shut up about this Console Wars shit.*

[@thefastcommenter7774]

How is talking about these two characters fighting “Console Wars” Are you that stupid? Also, using bold doesn’t make your argument any better. Sonic wins over Mario, end of conversation.

[@3DoublePoint]

Fr They need to shut the fuck up with this shit!!

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

I agree....

[@Whoxps]

This has been a debate for like 30 years, me and you will die before this debate is finished. And bro this ain’t PlayStation and Xbox we all know Nintendo slammed sonic and bitched him, literally bought sega. Crazy

[@KookieStar]

@@Whoxps I don't care, they're canonically friends now and that's what important. All this toxic rivalry bullshit is annoying at this point.

[@liammccbyrne4184]

people discussing Mario vs sonic: "alright so no extra lives, broken power ups, and no abilities specific to one game" people discussing Mario vs sephiroth: "um dont you know Mario is multiverse level and can deflect supernova right back at him"

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

This comment is just cringe💀 Without game mechanics mario is actually stronger 💀💀

[@L3GacY3]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461if we’re talking about no game mechanics, that’s sonic. Or not could be wrong.

[@paulgilbert5278]

Why do people forget M&L? Mario doesn’t need game mechanics to clap Sonic

[@noob3702]

@@paulgilbert5278im pretty sure that isnt cannon because of marios inconsistencies and the fact that its extremely different compared to other games

[@KhamarisKindaCool]

Next fight, Spongebob vs Uncle Grandpa

[@Absolute_Crimson]

The character I just made up in my head solos them both.

[@bedhcool]

One character than solos anything beyond imagination and has infinite of everything solos what you thought of GOD THE LORD

[@bedhcool]

Who do you think is stronger mario or hulk

[@bedhcool]

Nice

[@bedhcool]

Who is stronger Tails without prep time or Batman without prep time Please answer

[@Shonin23]

bro has an overpowered OC L

[@Unknown-xo7td]

Just a correction about the hyper form it’s powered by the super emeralds not the master emerald (the super emeralds are the chaos emeralds in their peak power so sonic using them was able to ascend beyond his super forms power)

[@stale0610]

The master emerald can allow hyper because it’s the most powerful emerald

[@adamsalt9459]

@@stale0610 when mecha sonic used the master emerald he turned super not hyper

[@noob3702]

@@adamsalt9459the master emerald powers the chaos emeralds into super emeralds and without that, hyper form wouldnt exist

[@supermariocal8660]

"The Mario in Mario 64 isn’t the same as Mario odyssey and galaxy…" No. Mario going into bowsers head in odyssey shows which games are connected through memories. The only different ones are the paper, manga, 93’ movie, 23’ movie, main timeline, and galaxy, because yes it is a separate universe as told by Luigi in the first game.

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

He definitely has never played a mario game

[@supermariocal8660]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Don't get me started I know everything there is to know about Mario.

[@supermariocal8660]

​@@thelegendarymarioman8461I completely agree with you

[@JugularJohn]

Man really discredited himself THE SECOND he said that. The lowballing on Mario was fucking insane 😭

[@paulgilbert5278]

Exactly He was ignorant!

[@Inthehouselikecarpet]

My Sunday was interrupted by this beautiful science lesson

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

You scaled Sonic appropriately and well at that, but… I do wanna clear a few things about Mario, since he was downplayed and not properly looked at here, and I mean ZERO hate with this. Please acknowledge that. And read to the end of this overly long goofy analysis is you want some clarification. Anyways: - Mario being different in every game is negated by Miyamoto outright stating that every Mario is the same Mario in an interview, and in Mario Odyssey, Mario and Bowser flash back to previous older games when possessing or being possessed and in Mario Sunshine, the fludd showed older Mario game footage while scanning Mario despite their different game styles and graphics, so Mario has remembered and been through all these games. (Except Paper Mario because of Paper Jam) - Also, Base Mario vs Base Sonic would be a little more than “Sonic beats Mario before he can realize what’s going on”. Mario likely doesn’t have the reaction time to keep up with Sonics attacks, but he can most certainly survive some of them. Make no mistake, Mario has super human durability, since he’s taken hits from so many powerful enemies like Dreamy Bowser, Culex, and The Dark Star, and he even survives the explosion of Bowsers Star reactor, being thrown across the entire Mushroom kingdom before hitting a tree and then the ground, being directly on top of Mollusque-Lanceur exploding in Mario Odyssey, a 2.4 megaton explosion in Mario Power Tennis, and Mario is described as a Homo nintendonus by his wiki, which is a cartoonish human, so he has toonforce-like durability in his games. - Nintendo themselves confirmed that if Mario were to canonically die, he would just come back to life, since his soul is rejected by both Heaven and Hell. So… it’s highly debatable if Sonic could even fully put Mario down, much less kill him. - And Sonic not being able to die with rings is a gameplay mechanic, since Mephiles was able to kill Sonic in Sonic The Hedgehog. The lava in Bowsers castle is a substitute for bottomless pits, since if Mario can survive hits from Blargg the LAVA dragon, then Bowsers lava being an insta-kill is a GAME MECHANIC. That’s not even mentioning how this doesn’t apply to Mario in several other games. - In Mario and Luigi: Dream Team Mario could perceive and dodge projectiles flying at him while on the Mach 375 Star Driver, so he is able to react many, MANY more times the speed of sound, so him being able to see Sonic may be possible. -Also, Hyper Sonic has never been used by Sonic in a canonical sense, and Sonic’s strongest from is stated to be Super Sonic, so Hyper is probably a possibility of Sonic’s forms rather than a confirmed one. - Mario is also able to whoop Bowser on a consistent basis, (often with no power-ups, like In Mario 64 and Galaxy) the nigh-immortal Turtle that survived falling into a Black hole that exploded in Mario Galaxy. And in Bowsers Fury Mario’s Giga Cat form was able to take on a far larger and stronger version of Bowser, so that really spells volume to that Power-up. Mario could also give himself a double cherry in combination with an OP power-up like the Metal Mushroom, Mega Mushroom, aforementioned Giga Cat Bell, or one of his many stars. - Mario’s ground pounds are strong enough to launch meteorites back at Bowser as shown in Galaxy, and Mario has the arm strength to outswim a (weakened but still authentic) Black Hole, so I think he would get strength. And before you argue that Mario was strengthened by Luma, Luma was only stated in the game manual to help Mario survive in deep space and give him his spin-attack. And Mario was still in the area of effect when the supernova hit in Mario Galaxy, so Rosalina reset the universe AFTER Mario was already taking damage and tanking it. - And for clarification, Dreamy Bowser is universal at minimum, and has reality manipulation due to being powered by the dream stone, and The Dark Star is the Mario universe equivalent version of SATAN, and Mario was able to damage and defeat both. - And Mario is able to fight Culex in Mario RPG and Culex can eat space and time themselves by simply existing. Mario was able to move and harm him AS he was doing that, meaning Mario has time stop negation and has beaten someone who can manipulate time and cross dimensions. IN BASE FORM. - But hey. At the end of the day, these absurdly overpowered mascots are friends as of now, and it’s only my opinion on Mario being able to match or outdo Sonic in several capacities.

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@ohosmandivine6770 I think it could go either way, but I believe Mario would extreme diff the fight. Or in other words: Base Mario Vs Sonic = Mario High-Extreme Diff Base Mario Vs Super Sonic = Sonic No-Low Diff Gigacat Mario vs Super Sonic = Tie

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@ohosmandivine6770 My straight answer would be Mario.

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@ohosmandivine6770 He probably wouldn’t beat them in Base, but he’d easily mid-high diff most if not all of them with Super Sonic.

[@xeno8092]

To be honest it is just a stomp for sonic since Mario does not have reality manipulation resistance, not to mention Sonic is incredibly faster than Mario. I’d argue sonic beats Mario in base form low-mid diff.

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@@xeno8092 I respect your opinion, and Sonic most certainly has a speed advantage above Mario, but Mario has also fought a reality manipulator and won while having resistance to their abilities: Dreamy Bowser from Dream Team. He was creating whatever he wanted from nothing with the power of the dream stone.

[@LJanimate]

Tbh everyone keeps meat riding the character they like and justs wants to say the character they like wins in all honesty Both have acheived great things sonic bringing back time by running beating solaris defeating someone who could prob drive ppl crazy(infinite w/ his powers) and defeated the bio lizard and mario swimming out of a black hole defeating dreamy bowser and just beating bowser in general if they were to fight it would be close and the gold tanooki suit couldnt even get used without mario DYING 5 TIMES and hyper is out of the debate too bc they were confirmmed to be unaccesible to sonic anymore depending on how they use their feats Mario or sonic could beat the crap out of each other but both have limits like super sonic takes energy and mario as i said before needs to die 5 times to get golden tanooki also you really read all this congrats

[@ammidtamiryisrael9719]

Come on now

[@static669]

6:44 In fact the sonic ceo in a difficult interview said that sonic speed is relative to the flash, which is mind boggling cause he’s taking about modern sonic not archie sonic, even though this statement needs to be proven in canon, but still people underestimate sonic’s actual speed.

[@skydraws1787]

No. WAY! O_O

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

He prolly means either JLU Flash or DCEU Flash

[@skydraws1787]

@@mikedanielespeja6128 Or Comics Flash

[@Darknights_Pro_Anecdotes]

well he is going faster than time itself in Sonic gens

[@skydraws1787]

@darknightsproanecdotes8190 and Sonic Is Called "The Fastest Thing Alive" For A Reason ^^

[@JeSsE10mCcOy11]

Both are so iconic because one can't live without the other.

[@FadhilIMP5530_Real]

A bit of correction : Advance Sonic is not Classic Sonic, its Modern Sonic if we look at the details, since Advance 1 and 2 happen before SA1 Classic Sonic is created due to the timeline split of Time Eater In Modern Sonic perspective Time Eater first appear in his birthday, while in Classic Sonic perspective its after Sonic Chaos and before 16-Bit Sonic 2

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

He stated classic was just him from the past so it's just sonic from the past

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

but then he's wrong theres two classics one from the past seen in the original triology and some others and Generations/forces/mania not the idw classic doe (idw canon due to frontiers for some reason) cus he can't talk but that's just a theory (sega should hire me) a game theory

[@FadhilIMP5530_Real]

@@starwarsmontagemadigan1758 the one from the trilogy is the one that will become Modern Sonic, while the one from the timeline split in generations (most people call it the Neo Classic Timeline) is the one that will become Classic Sonic

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

@@FadhilIMP5530_Real hell no why does sonic not speak in his stereotypical modern version then?

[@axiom6000]

Sonic will forever slam Mario

[@paulgilbert5278]

At being cringe

[@chris-k9q]

@@paulgilbert5278at beingsteonger

[@noob3702]

@@paulgilbert5278💀💀💀💀💀

[@SuperGold9000]

Bro this shit needs to stop because I’m tired of people saying this shit, Both are friends anyway so why debate this?

[@footballismylife9107]

@@SuperGold9000You sure they would be friends tho?

[@p1000-ratti]

Mario was literally swimming in a black hole, how can you deny this fact? One more thing, how did you say Sonic is stronger than Mario? In punching, he is faster, but in throwing or lifting Mario is laughing in the middle. In the real sense, all Sonics in all games are different and not the same. You assumed all Sonics to be the same, right? Well, we do the same thing. Paper Mario joined the chat. come on reply my comment to see what you got

[@bubblewaffle1558]

Sonic is even physicaly stronger bruv

[@p1000-ratti]

@@bubblewaffle1558 OOOHHH- SERIOUSLY? Tell me, what is the maximum weight that Sonic can lift? About 200 tons. mario He lifted a 61 million ton castle with one hand, easily punched it and threw it far away, Or that Mario shook a galaxy with his bare hands

[@thefastcommenter7774]

@@p1000-rattiLOL my brother Mario never lifted a castle or shook a galaxy, in either instance he needed help.

[@3DoublePoint]

​@@p1000-rattiBro you have to remember this because most people who forgotten about Knuckles actually Punch super Sonic from out of his Body in "Sonic & Knuckles" beginning of the cutscene. We all see Knuckles did the same thing with Doctor Robotnik while he using the Master Emerald in the Sonic movie 2. Sonic is not invincible, Explain why Knuckles punch super sonic with one HAND!?

[@p1000-ratti]

@@thefastcommenter7774 In Super Mario World, Mario lifted a 61 million ton castle like nothing and threw it into the air. In Super Mario Galaxy, he shook the entire galaxy with his hands LEL When you know noting don't put yourself in the middle of the war, kid

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

funniest part is without Mario there would be no Sonic. I guess sometimes you surpass the people you look up to

[@Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh7]

Lets be real mario and sonic whould instantly become friends and not fight but sonic still solooos

[@TheDripTrainer17]

Unless he act like how he did when Luigi won that one time

[@paulgilbert5278]

That was just brother energy you prick

[@travisscottbatman297]

I love Mario, and it dosent bother me at all that Sonic stomps Mario.

[@LOCKED-ON]

I have a bold statement to make - Mario beats Sonic, and I am confident in my argument. Let's dive straight into it. Firstly, we will only consider the canon versions of Mario and Sonic, sticking to their mainline video games and closely tied spinoff games. Secondly, it's only rational to factor in the personality of these characters while comparing them. Now, let's get to the point. Some people argue that Mario's weakness is dying in lava, but that's an unrealistic and unreasonable argument. Mario has survived an entire supernova in his base form, which is way hotter than lava. So, dying in lava is not a significant weakness. Moreover, some people suggest that Sonic can create actual black holes. But that's not true because when you surpass light speed, micro black holes are formed, which will take a lot of time to gather the amount of mass to be a threat to anything. On the other hand, Mario has a reaction speed that is MFTL+ and can dodge attacks from Grand-Star Bowser, who can tag Starship Mario with his meteors and travel to the center of the universe in a short period. Thirdly, Mario can slow down or even freeze time with the time watch power-up, which affects Mario's area around him. It's likely that Mario can stack power-ups with the time watch and use Cappy to possess Sonic, gain Sonic's memories, and then drown Sonic. However, I don't think Mario needs to resort to that because Sonic's attitude in battle is overconfident, and he doesn't take his fights seriously. In a realistic situation, Sonic would probably severely downplay Mario and hold back, giving Mario an advantage from the start. Finally, let's talk about durability. Mario has incredible durability and can take a 2.4-megaton explosion in the face and survive a supernova. On the other hand, some people argue that Sonic cannot take damage unless he runs out of rings. But, if Sonic can remain in his super form for days, then the rings are nothing more than a game mechanic. It's just an attempt to make Sonic more durable. In conclusion, Sonic may be faster and stronger than Mario, but that's not enough to defeat Mario. Mario has superior abilities, durability, and a more focused attitude towards battling his opponents. Therefore, I am confident that Mario beats Sonic, and I am ready to stand by my argument.

[@ZAYDAGOATNGL]

Ty always spittin fax