Would Mario beat Sonic The Hedgehog in a Fight

[@Tyrecordslol]

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[@minecraftfumingwow]

i mean like, technically if a sonic vs mario game comes out it really just depends on who is making the game

[@TOS_563.]

Ty quick question who would win Minecraft Steve or sonic?🤔🤔

[@TheAndy71brown]

your bias and sonic would win he has hyper sonic super sonic and god boom sonic we have not even seen in the show

[@TOS_563.]

Unless Steve went creative mode

[@BluegamerOmega-mo4bg]

Finnaly a person who agrees with me

[@retrowavekh4014]

To be honest Super Sonic can stay in tht form for days its shown in Sonic advance. The ring limit is just a game mechanic.

[@expertzero78]

Even then, while the game mechanic is a time limit, Sonic can still stay in his Super form as long as he still has enough rings. In the final battle of SA2, one of the things you can do mid fight is switch between Super Sonic and Super Shadow so that one can fight the Final Hazard while the other charges up on rings. In short, as long as Sonic keeps getting rings as Super Sonic, he can stay in his super form for as long as he so desires, and this applies to both lore and game mechanics.

[@sigma8917]

It wouldn't matter anyway, even if it wasn't a game mechanic but actually part of the lore, sonic can just cyloop and restore his rings

[@Tyrecordslol]

Makes sense because in Sonic X they Dont need rings.

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@Tyrecordslol There’s one thing that people don’t think about when talking about Super Sonic. Super Sonic is not invincible there are plenty of times we’ve seen Super Sonic take damage to something.

[@aperson_lol7347]

​​@@RaccoonThunderMario_Officialbrother I know what you mean because of frontiers but those hits were weak if sonic will still standing because no matter what sonic keeps on fighting

[@NeonBlueLight]

6:39 A good thing worth considering is everytime sonic has a "limit" to how fast he goes. That's not his max speed, that's how fast he's willing to go safely. Imagine him going crazy fast through cities like in Unleashed and he constantly creates Sonic Booms because he'd break the sound barrier on multiple occasions. Given he's all about protecting and helping others from flickies to people, he definitely would limit how fast he should actually go.

[@Anormalyoutuber2255]

In this battle there’s likely gonna be no flickeys or anything

[@xD4NNYx]

I watched a video on even base sonic's speed at the max. as soon as he enters his max speed zone he ligit breaks a universe because of the force and friction of his step and even before sonic really runs the earth is obliterated and so is the solar system

[@WispVR]

SONIC ADVANCE LORE

[@SonGoku-cm2ge]

@@xD4NNYx Yes but be careful according to some comments Mario beats Sonic in 1v1 and apparently hyper sonic can't do anything against superstar mario 🤣🤣

[@Cyanlolz]

That’s why sonic runs faster in the movies he still doesn’t know how dangerous his speed could be

[@Corvolet5]

Honestly at this point, comparing Mario to Sonic is like comparing a grenade to a hydrogen bomb.

[@chris1229sonic]

com Mario vs com sonic Paper Mario and Mario kun Carrys

[@Corvolet5]

@@chris1229sonic Ah yes, paper figures "carry". Argument of all time

[@chris1229sonic]

@@Corvolet5 strength wise

[@Plurbi]

@@chris1229sonicwater:

[@chris1229sonic]

@@Plurbi he doesn’t die from water

[@thespeedyblueblur]

3:14 Actually, since the first modern sonic game was in 1998 (Sonic Adventure), that means that Sonic Advance was actually Modern Sonic (Even the game card shows that it's Modern Sonic)

[@Doctor_Bob]

I’m a hardcore Mario fan, but even I agree that Sonic wins, no questions asked

[@awesomeblacka4423]

Wait. I just had a thought. If death battle made Mario win while including other versions of himself, doesn’t that mean Archie sonic should’ve been allowed for fairness?

[@chuckflash]

Mario defeated dreamy bowser, who was amped by an infinite number of dreams. And thanks to mario party we know that dreams are universe… We also know mario is capable of piloting the star diver which travels several hundred lightyears in seconds. Hed be able to react to sonic.

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@awesomeblacka4423 They specifically said they weren’t including Archie Sonic in that fight

[@cupoochie4374]

He doesn’t win

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@chuckflash it's crazy how thats over looked even a base mario could fight a bowser who treanted to destroy the dream port that has infinite universes and paralle dimensions

[@monotonesammy]

A small correction on the Super form. Since the Advance games are canon, the super form can easily last for a few days. The rings are a gameplay mechanic that don’t actually apply to him as a character. Also, faster than light is the BARE MINIMUM for his speed. But yeah, great video! I love that you give Mario his best stuff, and push him to his limits regardless of how it’d end the same way anyway.

[@complete8423]

Actually, that argument can be deflected… But, I do have one the is indisputably true. Death Egg Zone, Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Sonic runs out of the Death Egg and activates Super Sonic, saving himself from the fall. So, you may be thinking, he just used rings. But wait, THERE ARE NO RINGS ON THE DEATH EGG. In cannon, those fights are done damagless, Sonic has 0 rings. Meaning that he activated and maintained Super Sonic, with 0 rings. So yeah, ring limit is 100% just a game mechanic.

[@monotonesammy]

@@complete8423 He also survived a black hole with no rings. So it's ABSOLUTELY just a game mechanic. Not to mention some canon games don't even USE rings. Black Knight being the one that comes to mind. But yeah, Super Sonic FARRRR outlasts Mario.

[@How_to_Get_Soloed_101]

That scene in Advance was off-screen. Considering the abundance of Rings in space, Super Sonic could’ve easily survived, and there are various cutscenes where Rings function like they do in gameplay. Mania scenes, Sonic having to knock the Rings out of SA2 Shadow to defeat him in Generations, Rings being brought up in numerous cutscenes like when Tails acknowledges Eggman using Rings to build his themepark or Silver stealing Tails’ Rings, etc.

[@sonicdml4175]

@@How_to_Get_Soloed_101 Rings do exist in the lore, but they are not needed for Sonic to maintaing a Super Form or take a hit, they just help with both, but are not needed.

[@hm-gd4te]

Rings are literally a shield for sonic until he’s hurt has anyone watched sonic prime??

[@M64bros]

Sometimes as a Mario and Sonic fan, I really absolutely despise the two fighting. The two are basically friends nowadays

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

Red midget and his alien blue friend... wait... that's just Lilo and Stitch...

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

@@mikedanielespeja6128 wouldn't even be suprised if Disney took inspiration from them

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

An italian vietnam veteran and a furry with blue hair and pronouns.... that sounds like an amazing friendship!

[@M64bros]

@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob indeed

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

​@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoobThat fury who once used to be a Cosmo warrior and a MMA fighter.

[@Sonic15914]

Finally, this guy understands that Mario couldn’t beat Sonic

[@SonicM216]

fr bro

[@aliceo1568]

Fax

[@DanialTarki]

Wrong.

[@DanrylleOsillos]

​@@DanialTarkigive me a reason that is wrong

[@ManahsiHaynes-Plummer]

Fr give us a reason​@@DanialTarki

[@dsw-2898]

Damn I didn't think a guy who thinks Peppa pig is a serial killer would make a power scaling video and give good points

[@imanaalsayegh]

I know right😅

[@miguelmendoza854]

Peppa pig is like 7 feet tall and she's a kid

[@Darkdesires186]

He really lowballed mario tho

[@thestickmansavioryt1941]

​@@Darkdesires186He didn't lowball Mario. Even if he did it doesn't change who the winner is.

[@yummynubs3646]

@nrpg0108 nah, Mario just built weak

[@kuriboi952]

This debate is probably never gonna end. Not mad tho.😂

[@laurenmcfarlane6490]

“possibilities are never ending”

[@Remag-mt2xv]

⁠​⁠@@laurenmcfarlane6490”I see it, I see it and now it's all within my reach”

[@DankMemeKing]

@@Remag-mt2xv "Endless possibilityyyyyyy!"

[@Remag-mt2xv]

@@DankMemeKing “I see it, I see it now; it’s always been inside of me”

[@dayvonlouis5187]

Some debates are fun it’s a good way to show knowledge and love for a series it’s only when the insults starts or the debates turn to shipping🤮 in franchises where romance is not the focus do they become unpleasant

[@NotAClueWhy]

I disagree with the "SM64, Galaxy, Odyssey Mario are different Marios." because they are most likely the same Mario. Other than that this video is really accurate. Also if Mario had the white Tanooki Suit I would just teleport him into Marble Zone or somethin.

[@SonicSwift99]

Yeah that was the one point I really didn't agree with. Obviously Paper Mario is the only real different Mario but the rest are the same character. Speaking of which, it's important to differentiate Paper Mario from regular Mario because Paper Mario is whooping Sonic's ass any day of the week. Which is why that specific version of Mario is often paired against Archie Sonic which is a much more fair fight.

[@TheLegendofMys]

​@@SonicSwift99Shigeru Miyamoto literally confirmed that every mario is the SAME mario... Also, paper Mario references several things from the mainline games. Same goes for the rpg games.

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@TheLegendofMys EXACTLY

[@SonicSwift99]

@@TheLegendofMys Doesn’t matter what anybody says if the material shows otherwise. The head of Sonic Team wants Sonic Prime to be canon yet that show is impossible to place in the main canon thanks to the many inconsistencies. Same goes for the Archie and IDW comics, which also mention past games.

[@rosamiranda8845]

@@TheLegendofMys so i guess movie mario is the same as video game mario by your logic

[@Muicheerio]

8:12 idk why but this spongebob clip had me dying 😭

[@KaatoSN]

And to top it all off, sega had to remove hyper sonic from the series because it's so overpowered that it can literally destroy walls by just touching them (shown in game) and can even breathe underwater.

[@metroidcomet]

Plus being able to flash an entire screen, killing anything in sight

[@hypersonic4562]

It's so strong, it can even kill some of the players

[@jacobwright3171]

Fax

[@haloboy3349]

Mario can breathe underwater in base

[@hypersonic4562]

@@haloboy3349 then how can he drown in the 3d games?

[@happyman4538]

Short answer: No, Mario fundamentally cannot. Sonic does everything Mario does but better.

[@striderarsal4676]

Correct

[@ForgivenFighter]

Indeed

[@vsbattIes]

no. this video lowballed the HELL out of mario and straight up said sonic blitzs mario when both literally have immeasurable speed scaling.

[@happyman4538]

@@vsbattIes When? Last time I checked Sonic breaks the speed equation on the regular, confirmed by Sonic Generations where Tails states that Sonic’s speed fixes space and time. Mind you this is base Sonic we are talking about, and I imagine that Mario has to reach those speeds with some sort of power up. Mario maybe faster than light, but Sonic breaks the speed equation so he blitzes Mario anyway 😂

[@vsbattIes]

@@happyman4538 the level "ticktock clock" in super mario 64 has 4 stages it can be in when you enter the level, slow, stopped, fast, and random. on the stopped mode, all time in ticktock clock is completely stopped, and guess who can move through time stop like its nothing, its-a him, mario. the DEFINTION of immeasurable speed is: The ability to move at a speed unbound by linear time. which is EXACTLY what mario does in ticktock clock.

[@chyperhypersonic]

I do love mario and sonic tho but sonic solos tho❤

[@Sillybillly222]

I have to agree

[@TOS_563.]

Yeah but tiny detail that is sometimes overlooked is that Mario and sonic are friends

[@Sillybillly222]

@@TOS_563. fr fr

[@Thing_of_somes]

Game mario and sonic = mario wins Movie mario and sonic = sonic win Strongest forms of mario and sonic = sonic

[@Aaron.800]

@@Thing_of_somes no, ty just broke down why sonic solos, he only used game sonic because archie sonic is overkill, sonic can beat mario through sheer speed alone, he almost outran a blackhole in his base form and he didnt outrun it just because he was tired and had 0 rings sonic just negs

[@DedBruh]

Dont get me wrong. I love mario…..but when i was 6,5,7,8 sonic made my childhood, i was a MASSIVE sonic fan, and i still am.

[@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT]

As a Super Mario fan, I know damn well that Mario has no chance defeating Sonic at all, so I have to admit that Sonic takes the W Edit: this fucking war is still going on, HELP ME 😭

[@trixx_w]

(Mario out swimming a black hole in Mario party): am I a joke to you?

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

You do realize that White Tanooki Mario dying to lava has the same reasoning behind it as to why Hyper Sonic dies by being crushed right with it being a gameplay restriction since otherwise you can break a lot of the lava levels with it? Also Sonic has never escaped a black hole before only outrun it for a bit same as how Mario was able to swim from it in Mario Party

[@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT]

@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official oh, okay. But I really don't remember when Mario swimming out of a black hole tho 😂

[@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT]

@@trixx_w now that had me 😂

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@AnthonyMarioGamer64_YT Type in “Mario Party Black Hole Boogie”

[@ScratchToonsNetwork-Powerful]

Nintendo is drunk, wanna know why? They made a disturbing music in Super Paper Mario named "River Twygz Bed"

[@tejasb1239]

I also find it funny too, a majority of kids games with the most bizzare and disturbing soundtracks are made by Nintendo, the most frightening and unnerving being the Giygas theme from Earthbound. Idk why they do it, either for fun or there is something far more sinister. Either way it's messed up. P.S, actually even SEGA US branch made a disturbing final boss theme in Sonic CD, and another bizzare soundtrack in SA2, idk what that was. But yeah, even SEGA has sometimes also added absurd soundtracks to kid-friendly games.

[@BillyBobJoe-d3f]

Lol

[@Plushskitz]

Sonic is built to be that guy in a fight

[@snowy8132]

As an honorable mention and fun fact, there's a secret red star power up in Super Mario Galaxy 1 that basically lets Mario fly freely, unlike the wing cap that has that whole momentum flying system going on in SM64

[@noob3702]

im pretty sure sonic would be able to steal any powerup that mario uses

[@solarradiationgaming1]

​@@noob3702 Correct brother

[@Reddudetheog1219]

This man did a better video on this debate than death battle

[@Walterblack594]

Facts

[@_Sxoul]

True

[@xNeon404]

Pure facts

[@cupoochie4374]

He didn’t “Oh boo who the character I think loses won” Deathbatte did a great animation and imo, more accurate victor with less accurate research

[@Reddudetheog1219]

@@cupoochie4374 just because they did a good animation doesn’t make it automatically better

[@Hi_My_Names_Ryan]

Actually a good video with good points. Finally. Didnt even mention archie comics scaling cuz he doesnt even need it

[@quikskoprbro968]

Some of the points he makes aren’t actually true

[@Shonin23]

@@quikskoprbro968Cope

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

​@@Shonin23you cope

[@sonic6054]

loving the videos bro, actually stopped what i was working on to finish watching this, keep it up!

[@killua-zg4qf]

it's all fun and game with paper Mario until sonic pulls out the scissors

[@coolgang6028]

👇sonic team

[@Orion-The-Hedgehog]

Yeah

[@Jwk13]

Yh

[@patriceandmariahvids9520]

here

[@Geekoraphic]

Sonics speed is pretty much auto win for him against mario, I don't even understand why this is a debate bc while mario can be a lot more powerful than most people perceive him the only advantage he has in this fight is raw strength & durability which even then isn't too much since sonic can withstand his limbs moving at lightspeed

[@ZeekeyProductions561]

No joke, Sonic easily can take Mario in a death battle, even if Mario is in his golden tanooki suit, and sonic is in base form, sonic could grab and dump him into lava before Mario even realizes he’s moving

[@ssh4656]

ye right and let's be real sonic has more strength than mario in any of his forms even the golden tanooki

[@wubproductions9755]

Thing is wouldn’t base sonic die the moment he touches Mario due to the golden tanooki suit auto killing anything Mario touches

[@ssh4656]

@@wubproductions9755 well what if sonic boosted into him that will kill mario ofc

[@SonicSwift99]

@@wubproductions9755 Super Sonic is the same thing so it would be a stalemate. But the golden tanooki suit is non standard in the first place as the only way Mario can obtain it is by dying first.

[@ZeekeyProductions561]

@@wubproductions9755 even if he manages to get this, Sonic can always use rocks or other objects that aren’t considered a living being, as Mario’ golden tanooki does not effect any non living objects, most notably being ground. Meaning sonic could use a large chunk of ground to work as gloves and shove him into lava

[@olgasebedovszki1152]

I love how cool your KZbin channel is

[@wubproductions9755]

This is the first time I’ve seen anyone bring up the fact sonic has his own super star power up, makes you wonder why no one talks about it

[@trixx_w]

No one talks about it because the super star is better because it lasts longer

[@gsm4919]

@@trixx_wnot really. Sonics invincibility power up lasts 20 seconds in sonic 3 which would beat Mario’s 15 seconds

[@LCLGod]

Because of Super Sonic which is clearly better?

[@wubproductions9755]

@@LCLGod thing is he wouldn’t even need to use super sonic, the 2nd comment said that in sonic 3 it lasts for 20 seconds so he could just stall out Mario’s superstar power up and speed blitz him

[@LCLGod]

@@wubproductions9755 Star Mario isn't even close to the Pure Hearts

[@EpikGamer_1]

The whole Mario Vs. Sonic debate is basically Human vs. Hedgehog but still sonic wins.

[@DJ792YT]

"Game mechanics won't be used" 10:48 12:13

[@squidzytispog]

am i the only one that actually see this

[@DJ792YT]

@@squidzytispog No you are not, friend

[@paulo547]

Tell me in which part of the video he says this, 'cuz i can' t really find it

[@DJ792YT]

@@paulo547 0:31

[@paulo547]

@@DJ792YT Well he didn't refer to the whole game mechanics, but only some of them. Time limit, death by falling, or travelling through the map weren't allowed. It's still valid

[@ForgivenFighter]

11:37 for those who don’t know what he was talking about the formula. Here’s an explanation. So, the formula F = m x a means that the force (F) is equal to the mass (m) of an object multiplied by its acceleration (a). Here's how it works: 1. Mass (m): This is how much matter is in an object. For Sonic, this could be his body weight or the weight of whatever he's using to attack. 2. Acceleration (a): This is how quickly the object is speeding up. If Sonic is running faster, his acceleration increases. 3. Force (F): This is the total push or pull on an object. In Sonic's case, the faster he moves (higher acceleration) and the heavier he is (more mass), the more force he generates with his attacks. So, if Sonic increases his speed or if he has more mass behind his punch, the force of his attack gets stronger. It’s all about how those three things work together.

[@BehemothOrga21445]

I totally agree. I have been a fan of mario but sonic is just better. The quote “Running around at the speed of sound” always got me when I was a kid and made me like sonic. The sonic vs mario debate is probably over because of this video.

[@ihatebilly4675]

👆🤓

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

Trust me, this debate will probably never end, and I don’t think this video would end it.

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

So you admit sonic wins because you like sonic better 💀💀

[@BehemothOrga21445]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Exactly.

[@thechickenhouse3187]

@BehemothOrga21445 so ur being biased?

[@SonicSwift99]

As a massive Sonic fan, I'll give some benefit to Mario with powerscaling and say it's a close fight. I think Mario's power ups and durability can give him the win against base Sonic but Super Sonic would whoop him especially after the Frontiers' buffs.

[@quikskoprbro968]

But not enough to beat shadow

[@TheLegendofMys]

Literally biased.

[@paulo547]

Sonic has gained durability in Frontiers, considering he can parry any attacks and can do a pseodo chaos control for a few seconds.

[@SonicSwift99]

@@TheLegendofMys How? A lot of people here are saying that Mario stands no chance while I said that Mario actually has a win con.

[@TheLegendofMys]

@@SonicSwift99 It's still biased... from my pov, it just sounds like you don't know much of what Mario's actually capable of, like majority of the commenters in the comment section.

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

I would actually love to hear your takes on other Mario vs. Sonic match ups, like Luigi vs. Tails, Bowser vs. Eggman, ect. Also, I don't think rings will be a problem for Sonic, since he could always just summon more like in Frontiers.

[@lucygardiner7594]

or in nazo unleased where shadic grabs rings from all over the world

[@gsm4919]

Luigi isn’t expanded in enough really. I wish he was cause he’s my 2nd favourite Mario character but there’s just not enough info on him. Bowser vs Eggman would be cool but I think the egghead would win. Bowsers just brute strength while Eggman has workarounds to that

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

@@gsm4919 I mean, Bowser does have a few power ups like Grand Star and Dreamy.

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

@@lucygardiner7594 Nazo Unleashed it's fanom bruh, like SMBZ.

[@gsm4919]

@@cirnosnumberfan6449 Dreamy bowser isn’t really a power-up. He had to inhale a stone to achieve that form and with eggmans machinery he would get to the stone first provided he knew what it did. He’s also come into contact with power like that before. In a game called sonic shuffle there are stones called precious stones that have the kind of same power. As for grandstars, have we actually seen what they can do. We’ve seen them be used to achieve light speed but that’s it Im pretty sure

[@ZavionRazzak-vv5jr]

And less not forget, Sonic defeated the STRONGEST villain in super smash bros. Mario couldn’t even do that.

[@MintflameP.2]

Which game is that again? Melee, or brawl? Anyways, Sonic's super form is TOO powerful. Sure, in some games, is pretty much just speed monitor and invincibility monitor, but in other ones like Generations or Frontiers, it can defeat gods with JUST that form. Sure, you could also say "Oh, but in generations, there's two of him, so he's two times stronge-" SHUT UP. It wasn't the help of the past and present versions of himself that allowed him to defeat the Time Eater, but it was his friends cheering him on. All of them, both timelines. And this is without even MENTIONING some other forms that could questionably be stronger than Super, like maybe the unused potential o f the TIME STONES. Like, what could those things do? could they make Sonic so fast that he exists in the past, present and future? different timelines, all at once. And another thing, what about HYPER SONIC?? He was used in one game alone. We don't even know what he can do, because like I said earlier, it was kind of like a stacked speed monitor and invincibility with sort of like a flash step. Think about that.

[@solarradiationgaming1]

​@@MintflameP.2 And don't even forget Dark sonic, Darkspine sonic,Super Sonic 2 (in frontiers DLC) and Ultra sonic who can literally destroy timelines because as The force formula relies on speed with more speed being more power And since sonic can travel 329 Octillion or 329 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times the speed of light, and light speed is near 300million Kilometers per second, if you were to put this speed into the formula it would be able to end Galaxies and even A portion of the observable universe and one more thing, The speed I just told you was of sonic base form and since super sonic has infinite speed that means sonic can destroy reality itself, screw universes and multiverses bro can end reality as we know it

[@megadon2]

10:20 those arent clones, those are afterimages, maybe the supersonic one is some kind of chaos energy projection, but the other one is definitely afterimages

[@JonyPlayz1]

Interesting video. You have really good points honestly

[@paulgilbert5278]

Nah

[@noob3702]

@@paulgilbert5278man sthu 💀

[@footballismylife9107]

@@paulgilbert5278your Profile Pic makes sense

[@paulgilbert5278]

Touch grass. That was dam near a year ago. Like, I forgot I commented here…

[@amalikbraimah9298]

6:32 "get City Escape out of your head'' while simultaneously playing City Escape

[@maxjames2261]

this debate have been going on for 30 years and i dont think people would stop

[@mariosonic9153]

10 years shouldve already been a red flag 💀

[@jayson.win231]

Probably cause Mario fans love to debate

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK.

[@paulgilbert5278]

Sonic fans are miffed that the GameCube/GBA era was when the series was at its pinnacle. So they’ve gotta extract their untapped aggression on Mario.

[@jayson.win231]

@@paulgilbert5278 what

[@noahrice6671]

Black holes actually don’t heat up unless they’ve eaten a star recently. Besides that, if you find a lone black hole with nothing around it, it’s a cold death from there.

[@jingjinggao2020]

Bruh you forgot Archie sonic which can punch someone one so hard that it deletes over 3 billion dimensions and runs faster than the cameraman🗿🗿

[@InfernoSage]

Not cameraman

[@scooby_doobies]

The Archie comics on a canon only the IDW comics

[@Joker3180Z]

Archie Sonic isn't the same as Game Sonic though

[@TheAverageShadowfan]

7:58 bro realized he aint built for this

[@YT_ItzSebas]

It can honestly just go either way like I said, we never seen them in a fight and ppl will just keep on debating them, we don't know if sonic base destroys all Mario's forms or mario base destroys all sonics forms bc at the end of the day it's just an opinion, and I will respect it, we have so many forms it's kinda hard to count, and the only time we seen them fight kinda is smash but that's not their true power level so we are not sure who wins but nice vid again :D

[@shrekssecretadmirer1065]

I would love to come to that simple of a conclusion but sadly mario stands no chance. It's just like he said, mario will lose before he can even recognize what happened because sonic is just that fast, durable and strong.

[@Waffl3s264]

@@shrekssecretadmirer1065Paper Mario has immeasurable speed. (Yes they’re the same person, it’s literally been shown for years, you can tell who plays and who doesn’t play the games if they take Paper Jam as an explanation no questions asked)

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

@@Waffl3s264SUUUUURE I litterally asked one

[@Waffl3s264]

@@starwarsmontagemadigan1758 You literally didn’t?

[@starwarsmontagemadigan1758]

@@Waffl3s264 asked my frend but he really isn't that much i'll come back later

[@Banana807]

Ok people need to stop bringing the black hole thing for mario, it isnt like sonic where he did it without help, mario needed help of the lumas and rosalina to survive

[@TheLegendofMys]

Mario can still survive things much bigger and powerful than black holes, like the void from super paper mario.

[@Banana807]

​@@TheLegendofMysand sonic can too, and sonic doesnt even need power ups, he on his own can do it

[@TheLegendofMys]

@@Banana807 Mario didn't need any power ups either. and so what if sonic doesn't need power ups? Mario still slams Sonic at the end of the day. Mario's power ups are op as hell. People just don't know it because they're biased and ignorant.

[@Banana807]

​@@TheLegendofMysyour dick riding mario so hard, no way you believe base mario without any power ups can beat base sonic, MARIO CANT EVEN RUN FASTER THAN SONIC IN BASE WHAT IS BLUD WAFFLING ABOUT 💀

[@bubblewaffle1558]

​you cant actually back up any of what you're saying

[@Number1ratedsalesmansince_97]

I feel like sonic would just run laps around mario as he could do nothing about it then he'd start beating mario like there's no future just to show he could.

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

If we factor in personality, I'd say Sonic would go easy on Mario to do a buncha quips.

[@noob3702]

yea mario gets soloed so easily that sonic can just form a tornado and fling mario 💀

[@SuperGamer64_1]

Just put it like this Sonic=Speed Mario=Strength

[@blue-flare7060]

I was remember that one meme where Mario tried to hit Sonic but Sonic was moving so fast having Mario thinking Sonic is lagging.

[@game_projections]

Mario and Sonic stand, opposing each other, on either side of a grey field. Mario makes his move, eating a fireflower, He shoots flames out of His fists. Sonic yawns, finishes His chilidog and speeds forwards. Sonic leaps forwards, jumping over the fireballs, and aims a kick at Mario, who deflects it by eating a mushroom. Sonic jumps up and delivers a dropdash, tearing open Mario's knee. the fight ends, Sonic fears He may get sued by the frail and not very hedgehog-resistant plumber, but Mario forgives Him and calls it a tie. just then, Luigi and Tails appear, clearly having been in a fight themselves, neither are seriously injured proving that they, at least are evenly matched.

[@thesadbread]

This is the definition of facts. You accounted everything I’ve been saying. This is canon!

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

Fax no its bias

[@darrsample5110]

Ik bro this is fax

[@bubblewaffle1558]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 just accept the fat plomber takes this L

[@bigprogaymer6923]

​@@thelegendarymarioman8461proof?

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@bigprogaymer6923 Well I just recently found out that Ty took the "race swap Mario's" out of context. I found out he got that footage from the Gameboy game called "Qix" and according to its manual on page 16 it says: At the end of a 1 PLAYER game, Mario will give you a performance which changes depending on your score. See how many different ones you can achieve. The manual claims those "Mario's" to be the SAME Mario.

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

Mario: let’s a g- Gets cut in half

[@ArjonJackson]

Wouldn't happen at all

[@Hellom7]

​@@ArjonJackson yes it would

[@ArjonJackson]

@@Hellom7 no it wouldn't

[@Hellom7]

@@ArjonJackson so you're saying that a hedgehog that can saw through metal can't saw through a human

[@ArjonJackson]

@@Hellom7 Also dies to metal, and Mario will beat his ass

[@MERCS-V8]

Bro literally unlocked unforseen brain power we never thought he could unleash like all these calculations are just insane

[@astratball]

I think the reason why the debate will NEVER end is for one obvious reason: Each character comes out with new games, meaning new bosses, meaning they get stronger every time.

[@justjames4]

That idea relies on each new worthy opponent being stronger than the previous one, yet the allies and enemies of Mario and Sonic never get left behind by power creep. It's debatable whether or not Mario and Sonic actually significantly increase in strength throughout the series, aside from temporary boosts.

[@axiom6000]

Sonic will forever slam Mario

[@paulgilbert5278]

At being cringe

[@chris-k9q]

@@paulgilbert5278at beingsteonger

[@noob3702]

@@paulgilbert5278💀💀💀💀💀

[@SuperGold9000]

Bro this shit needs to stop because I’m tired of people saying this shit, Both are friends anyway so why debate this?

[@footballismylife9107]

@@SuperGold9000You sure they would be friends tho?

[@maxzillanmore]

“Mario Doesn’t stand a chance, The blue blur, Sonic The Hedgehog wins, No difficulty….” 🗿

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

Nothing but facts

[@ToyMovieMakerProductions]

That’s facts tho. Mario is literally just a normal human being compared to a extraordinary super strengthen hedgehog

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

@@ToyMovieMakerProductions funniest part is without Mario there would be no Sonic. I guess sometimes you surpass the people you idolize

[@ArjonJackson]

Pure cap

[@JalenJennings-it4xd]

@@ArjonJackson Mario fanboy

[@dylanwilkinson168]

All of this, and Super sonic still loses to knuckles.

[@noob3702]

knuckles is him, lets be honest tho its bc knuckles is a master at chaos energy manipulation because his connection with the master emerald

[@Thesansandsonicchannel]

Bruh why does this sound so cool with the song great outro man 14:07

[@Thesansandsonicchannel]

Bruh the no difficulty got me like DAMN BRO YOU THOUGHT HIM A LESSON

[@ShinDanielll]

I don’t think that people understand that Mario is just a stupid freaking ordinary person!All the things he can do is exactly what WE can do

[@justjames4]

Ordinary people can't jump multiple times their own height and complete parkour challenges in outer space.

[@Sploochey]

Can you shoot fireballs?

[@seanao32]

This is stupidest thing I’ve read

[@vlinful]

You’re definitely under 13

[@DanrylleOsillos]

​@@Sploocheythat's a power up

[@Morbius-Tension]

When u really think about it as long as sonic has rings he’s technically invulnerable

[@vipexplayz]

Sonic does win but here’s some things I wanted to mention. A. Mario is beyond light speed. While he was fighting Culex, Culex was affecting time, space and was bending all reality (no this isn’t paper Mario, this is normal Mario) Mario was able to move and defeat him, which the Marioverse is stated to have infinite possibilities, infinite timelines, string theory, and platonic concepts, making Mario High Outer with immeasurable speed at best. B. Sonic is also beyond light speed. The Sonicverse also has infinite possibilities and infinite timelines. One atom in Sonic is baseline high outer, and then you have a zone being baseline boundless, then a whole universe being infinite layers boundless due to there being infinite zones. Yes Solaris was going to destroy it all, and Sonic defeated him in super. “But Vipex, Sonic needed to go super form.” Well here’s the thing. Sonic one shotted Infinite in base, who is stronger than Solaris. This means currently Sonic in his base form can defeat Solaris. Sonic has irrelevant speed btw

[@platform4857]

super mario rpg isnt canon

[@platform4857]

and infinite is not stronger than solaris

[@vipexplayz]

@@platform4857 all Mario games are canon (no I’m not saying Mario and Paper Mario are the same person, they are two different canon Mario’s, that share a multiverse)

[@vipexplayz]

@@platform4857 yes he is, it’s stated in the Sonic Forces official guide

[@Shonin23]

@@platform4857 Infinite is stronger than Solaris. "Infinite is the strongest Sonic villain". (Before the Titans and The End)

[@Call_me_Akaza]

A italian guy who can't even break creature shells VS anthropomorphic blue hedgehog who breaks metal for a living.

[@Soulknight-jw8ht]

Correction:Itallian guy who has survived some of the Biggest horrors, and pretty sure some gods, versus Blue Hedgehog who can’t swim.

[@DanialTarki]

Said Italian destroys and fights things that are harder than regular metal

[@Call_me_Akaza]

@@DanialTarki said italian guy spends hus whole life saving a sjngular person named Peach while bue hedgehog out here protecting his multiverse

[@Call_me_Akaza]

@@DanialTarki Recorrection: Hedgehog beyond universal at 50% power that has defeated a being that existed before anything else, defeated something that destroys time and space for a living, can outrun time itself vs italian that can barely do shiz in base without powerups and screams basically 24/7 and is incapable of saving a singular being that is named after a fruit

[@DanialTarki]

@@Call_me_AkazaThat’s alot of cap.

[@SqueezeableLemons]

being a fan of both mario and sonic i'm aware of what both can do, and with all of the credit that sonic gets it's also kinda weird that people overlook when compairing feats and stuff like solaris which people don't tend to give 06 a second thought, sonic defeating gods and beings beyond time and space it's self i mean mario has done the same if not for the games that are canon to the storyline as each indiviaul mario has been recently confirmed it's just mario like the ones in the canon story are from super mario bros. through 64 up to sunshine and odyseey also having mario party 5 being canon being linked to dream team and paper mario since the dream port holds infinite amount of dreams and universes and parrelle universes which a dreamy bowser had control of and mario fought him on the same turf with luigi in the dream world. lets also not forget that in galaxy mario has survived a universe level hell even multiversal event with bowsers's star reactor and even fighting a grand star bowser in base form who was moving at the center of the universe with a black hole consuming stuff. and with mario party 5 being canon and them having minigames in there with out running a black hole that obviously gives mario atleast a leg up despite sonic being way faster. and mario is also strong too in base form from majority of his fights with bowser and or in the rpg games. but honestly ignoring game mechanics and junk like that mario dying to lava same could be said for sonic being super but drowning and or being crushed. it can honestly go either way for mario or sonic because they're both stacked up on abilities. it's good video but i'm noticing a slight bias abit

[@SqueezeableLemons]

all the paper mario games and rpgs being canon to one another meaning mario universes are connected as well.

[@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028]

Dude, forgot about the storybooks and Sonic Shuffle.

[@TCBlueFire]

​@@SqueezeableLemonsthis video was extremely biased it not even funny lmao

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028 Story books series is canon to sonic's timeline too so not even mention how broken the excaliber sonic and dark spine are

[@SqueezeableLemons]

@@TCBlueFire it is sadly like mainly sonic bais and thats a constant trend i see, like no disrespect to this person but honestly i'm sick and tired people not doing extentive research on both characters for it to be a valid arguement. because mario and sonic are just as powerful if not equals in strength and junk. Mario has fast the same amount of threats that sonic also faces. Especially with begins like Erazer Jin,Solaris, Chaos, and The END and the Time eater and Dark gaia. along with eggman doing stuff. same could be said for Antasma,Culex,Super Dimenio,Fawful,Cackletta, Count Bleck and his Goons, not to mention Bowser on multiple occassions who progressively gets stronger and more powerful each time he fights him. like put some actual respect on mario for once instead of selling him short

[@chaoticchaos2177]

Honestly even if you do wanna give Sonic the ring time limit, in Sonic Jump it's stated that he's collected 70 BILLION RINGS which would mean Super or Hyper Sonic would last 2219 YEARS, idk how Mario is gonna outlast that lol

[@juanyz5351]

about kirby.... the thing with kirby is that, hes pretty beatable....in the games and the anime he gets squished, sliced, turned into a ball, punched, etc..... he can faint and feel weak, but he can't actually die.... his star soul saved him once, and those soul things are something unique in the kirby games...

[@trisxart2393]

Yes, people think he's all that even though I love Kirby to death. They think he's strong when really he's just durable but can be destroyed.

[@i_like_videogames9517]

@@trisxart2393I mean, he IS a bit strong… I don’t think destroying your home planet with one punch and launching away a giant meteor coming at full speed with a bat can be considered weak…

[@trisxart2393]

@@i_like_videogames9517 Yes, but compared to Mario and especially sonic that's nothing ..

[@i_like_videogames9517]

@@trisxart2393 Since when did Mario have that strength?

[@trisxart2393]

@@i_like_videogames9517 Mario can just get an invincibility power up by dying 5 times and it's ggs

[@general_quality392]

"Mario is spear-chuckin' black-" 💀

[@JaSonic1977]

Hey. Gonna chime in here with my 2 cents. You're ABSOLUTELY right in saying that Sonic would win the fight. He's all that and teaches people to be very kind to each other, so he wins in that area as well, like when did Mario ever have a "Mario Says" or an equivalent of that in one of his cartoons? Never. Anyway, I am very glad to have Sonic in my life as I am an extreme Sonic fan.

[@Jdudec367]

Nah Mario could win too. Mario always teaches people to be kind to each other and he's pretty kind to everyone and he isn't snarky like Sonic is at times. He didn't, but he also wasn't an asshole in the comics either.

[@Leticia-6-20-15]

@@Jdudec367 Archie Comics and Fleetway comics aren't canon.

[@Esclerovácio]

​@@Jdudec367how many times can mario get hit in base with collectibles before dying

[@Jdudec367]

@@Esclerovácio In the rpgs a lot really.

[@Jdudec367]

@@Leticia-6-20-15 I know

[@TreyDa3rd22]

It doesn't matter if this video apparently gets debunked sonic still wins

[@dylanrodriguez-rb3ud]

I love both characters a lot, but I immediately put my money on sonic, since he has so much more feats that are extreme, and more stronger forms.

[@balanced__5137]

His forms are not stronger than Mario's, the strongest form for sonic couldn't touch or do anything to star powered or golden tanuki. He would literally die in one hit, I mean wonder why they dont use those stars or power ups in the new games.

[@bradleyclermanceau]

​​@@balanced__5137 what's stopping Sonic to wait 15 seconds for the ability to end

[@balanced__5137]

@@bradleyclermanceau mario could easily stack up on star powers anyways, plus the tanuki suit doesnt even go away, sonic has a time limit for his super form, what's stopping mario from waiting? Nothing.

[@alonsovenegas4444]

@@balanced__5137the only way Mario can even get that form is by DYING 5 times. Sonic wins

[@bradleyclermanceau]

@@balanced__5137 the rings are mechanical to the game so the player does it go crazy on the super Sonic does not need the rings

[@alanclark626]

Every canon Mario is the same Mario

[@DePeza]

I love both of them, but these were all facts for my childhood hero to come out on top, Everyone always does forgets about hyper sonic cause he was only in one game sadly but its imagine modern sonic being able to go hyper

[@leiftoons5644]

Well, Ian Flynn stated that hyper sonic would've been in frontiers, but due Sega not liking the idea, it was scrapped.

[@tankmoneyz2035]

​@@leiftoons5644 Lets be fr Hyper Sonic was gonna be too op

[@leiftoons5644]

@@tankmoneyz2035 ehh I guess

[@brasenwollert2455]

Ahh yeah i can see the fact that Sonic wins and as a fan as both of them I appreciate the fact that you took the time to actually specify the Mario you were using and and you bring up actual logic and fun fact did you know we where extremely close to getting an Archie Mario

[@SatisfactionVIP]

we already have a mario kun, we don't need an archie mario

[@SatisfactionVIP]

we already have a mario kun, we don't need an archie mario

[@Absolute_boyo]

That's actually a theory

[@MistaBlueSky]

Finally someone who understands both of the worlds

[@JugularJohn]

Bro literally lowballed Mario beyond comprehension. Saying “not all Mario’s are the same Mario” was already a huge red flag 💀

[@paulgilbert5278]

@JugularJohn For real. If he knew about Mario he’d bring up the RPGS specifically Mario and Luigi

[@noob3702]

@@JugularJohnquit being mad, we all know marios inconsistencies

[@JugularJohn]

@@noob3702 now how am I being mad when I’m simply saying “this lowballed Mario and hella glazed Sonic” which it clearly did. And what does Mario’s “inconsistencies” have to do with the argument? Sonic has as much inconsistencies as Mario. I’m not letting someone who’s clearly biased to Sonic tell me off

[@Munky_Boi]

9:08 am I the only one that caught this? Lmao

[@thefastcommenter7774]

The Mario fanboys keep saying that Mario outran a black hole when in fact, he didn’t. He needed the help of Rosalina and the lumas to survive. Meanwhile Sonic almost outran a black hole with his OWN power. Sonic even escaped the void as shown 0:52 in Sonic Forces. Edit: Mario Party and Paper Mario aren’t canon. stop using that as evidence. Edit 2 (6 months later) Boy do I regret making this comment…

[@TheLegendofMys]

Mario can successfully escape a black hole by outswimming it in Mario Party 6. Unlike Sonic, Mario can successfully escape a black hole.

[@TheLegendofMys]

Mario fans don't even have to use any of the black hole feats from galaxy. Mario can freely move around the void in super paper mario, which is said to have no time or space, and can't be escaped from. Mario can also dodge Dimentio's voids, which was fast enough to appear in literally every point of time in the mario cosmology.

[@LCLGod]

Many people forget about The Dark Star, yeah even Mario fanboys. This guy was stronger than the gods between the Mario Universe and one of his attacks is a black hole which Mario can easily outrun.

[@Garfflided]

@@TheLegendofMys Atleast you the one Mario Fan that doesn't say "Mario outrun a Black hole"

[@thefastcommenter7774]

@@TheLegendofMys Mario party isn’t canon bro

[@Absolute_Crimson]

The character I just made up in my head solos them both.

[@bedhcool]

One character than solos anything beyond imagination and has infinite of everything solos what you thought of GOD THE LORD

[@bedhcool]

Who do you think is stronger mario or hulk

[@bedhcool]

Nice

[@bedhcool]

Who is stronger Tails without prep time or Batman without prep time Please answer

[@Shonin23]

bro has an overpowered OC L

[@Tuffskill]

This plumber can go toe to toe with a being that can survive black holes, lava, and a dip in the sun. He can even throw him far away with just his base power. He's basically similar to knuckles when fighting sonic. Meaning he's not weak without power ups.

[@Garfflided]

"Black Holes" What you talking about pal. And we barely see him going to the sun. You just bringing uncanny feats from your pointless brain pal 💀💀

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

If he CAN pick up King Bomb Omb and spin Bowser around, then it clearly just shows how strong he can be. He can also breath in outer space

[@thefastcommenter7774]

Remember fellas, Mario didn’t survive the black hole without help. Stop using that fact when it simply it isn’t true.

[@patrickdixon7202]

@@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoobYet Sonic is too fast for him.

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

@@patrickdixon7202 Mario's reflexes can help him dodge things that are going at the speed of light

[@Mr.Wahoo77]

I believe Mario has a better chance than you may seem, but I enjoyed the efforts and time you put into your video 🔥

[@TanookyTeneka]

You make an excellent point of characters different versions, but I don't think it's really like that I think that the mainline games all have the same Mario (From SMB to Wonder, including Donkey Kong and Mario Bros), while the Mario & Luigi games have different Marios, so do the spin-offs (I know some characters like Toadette were introduced in spin-offs, but I don't think it really matters), while Paper Mario (And debatably Dr. Mario) Are completely different characters, I do agree that Sonic would win by just existing and people that keep talking about who would win just don't get what makes Mario and Sonic special Also some corrections 9:10 99 seconds? 13:14 Mario isn't that bad against black holes, I know this is probably gameplay mechanics being gameplay mechanics but in Galaxy he can stand a decent distance away from black holes before being consumed by them Also, I'm not very sure about Sonic teleporting or cloning himself, I think that he just moves so fast he just tricks the eye into believing that

[@petesoys6348]

I would say he can still make clones. The grand slam animation does show that the clones are see through, just like every other energy attack that Super Sonic has. So base form Sonic can't really create clones, but Super Sonic can. And if base form Sonic has at least one emerald, he could very easily teleport using Chaos Control. It is normally Shadow's thing, but he has used it before. So Sonic can do both, but they also aren't really essential in his kit, especially when Sonic can already go fast enough to deal as much damage as those clones and he can also just run wherever he wants most of the time.

[@banjo9158]

in Itself Mario don't have a proper timeline, pretty much no continuity, You can haver your own canon for Mario, but Mario in itself has no canon.

[@ihatebilly4675]

@@banjo9158you don’t know what canon is

[@banjo9158]

@@ihatebilly4675 i think you're the one that don't.

[@TanookyTeneka]

@@banjo9158 Then what about Bowser's flashbacks at the end of Odyssey Or just, Odyssey in general

[@static669]

6:44 In fact the sonic ceo in a difficult interview said that sonic speed is relative to the flash, which is mind boggling cause he’s taking about modern sonic not archie sonic, even though this statement needs to be proven in canon, but still people underestimate sonic’s actual speed.

[@skydraws1787]

No. WAY! O_O

[@mikedanielespeja6128]

He prolly means either JLU Flash or DCEU Flash

[@skydraws1787]

@@mikedanielespeja6128 Or Comics Flash

[@Darknights_Pro_Anecdotes]

well he is going faster than time itself in Sonic gens

[@skydraws1787]

@darknightsproanecdotes8190 and Sonic Is Called "The Fastest Thing Alive" For A Reason ^^

[@andersonbrowne4781]

@Tyrecordslos I gonna have to disagree with your "different versions of mario" take, we see in mario sunshine when fludd is collecting data it shows flashbacks to games like super mario bros,super mario world and mario 64, the same goes for oddessy when you take over bowser's body in the final part of the main game, we can see bowser's memories of super mario bros 3, super mario bros 1 and abunch of other mario games, just cause the art style is different doesn't mean that its not the same character, you could say that about almost any franchise like dragon ball. Dragon ball, dragon ball z, and dragon ball super all have different art styles but its still the same goku.(other than that tho, I actually liked the video, nice editing and keep up the good work)(and before you guys say anything yes I know paper mario is not canon)

[@Benja04]

You're correct sir! It's all THE Mario! Paper Mario is a separate character which is explicitly shown and currently stated!

[@Shonin23]

Every Mario is different except the mainline games Mario 1, 2, Lost Lands, 3, 64, Galaxy 1 & 2, Mario 3D World/Land etc…

[@Benja04]

@@Shonin23 THAT'S........ not true Miss.

[@Shonin23]

@@Benja04 *Miss Also it is true

[@Benja04]

@@Shonin23 *Sorry about that. But why do you believe this to be true? There isn't any explicit nor direct confirmation that each of those Mario games or even the Mario spinoffs for that matter are a separate canon. Actually there's evidence that points to the opposite of that opinion!

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

I'm gonna split my response up into parts because the comment was so long that it crashed my KZbin. First of all, the Paper Mario and Mario aren't the same person argument is actually been proven wrong: In the original Paper Mario, Goombario's Tattle will state that Mario has been fighting Goombas ever since Super Mario Bros. This is a direct callback to the game itself. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b1/Goombario-PaperMarioCanon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20211027064505 Goombario is generally smart when it comes to his knowledge on things, as his Tattle demonstrates this. He's also a big fan of Mario, and the events of SMB are popular enough to be seen in plays or appear in Bowser's own realms. Thus, Goombario is a reliable source. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/e/ef/MarioFan.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027064926 Back to Paper Mario, we can read Luigi's Diary in his secret basement. Luigi writes about how the adventure stuff is difficult, and he enjoyed playing Golf, Tennis, and throw Parties. These are obvious callbacks to Mario Golf, Tennis, and Party. And while I am well aware that the Paper Mario series has referenced a sports title, mainly Mario Kart, it should be well noted that these were not intended to be their own paper versions, as at the time Paper Mario released, it was alongside the N64 era. Thus it's most likely they are direct callbacks to those N64 era games. This would also need to be the case for continuity sake. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/5/55/PaperMario_Sports.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027065911 Luigi also notes in his diary that he's afraid of ghosts, a personality trait that was established before Luigi's Mansion and later on used in other games. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/9c/PaperMarioLuigiScan.png/revision/latest?cb=20220111034622 Paper Mario is considered a sequel to Super Mario RPG, at least in terms of its lore and story. The general plot of Paper Mario is Bowser stealing the Star Rod to grant his own wishes. However, it just so happens that Super Mario RPG is also a game where wishing is its main focus. The general plot for RPG is that Smithy sent Exor to destroy Star Road (remember this location, it's important) in order to stop people from making wishes. So why are these two games connected? Well because the Star Rod is what is used to grant wishes in Super Mario RPG. How do we know this? Well we know that as Geno battles Bowyer, he mentions that he works for a "higher authority", and was sent to get back each Star Piece. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/01/GenoScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027071234 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b4/GenoScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027071636 But who exactly are those higher authorities? This is where Paper Mario's Star Spirits come in. The Star Spirits are the watcher over the Star Rod, and are meant to be the protectors of it. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/3/33/StarSpiritScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072206 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/a/a3/StarSpiritScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072240 However, you might think this isn't enough. For further proof, let's go back to Geno. If you are unfamiliar with Super Mario RPG, Geno is actually just someone possessing a toy. You might notice something, and that is that Geno's true form is that of a star. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/6/6b/GenoScan3.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072638 He's a star, just like the Star Spirits. You might think this is just some coincidence, however this further relates to Paper Mario. We know that Geno is a star who works for higher authorities, and Paper Mario just so happens to have someone similar. That being Twink. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f8/TwinkScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073234 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/0e/TwinkScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073302 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/bb/TwinkScan3.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073330 Twink is also a Star who was sent down to help others by higher authorities, just like Geno. Thus they share the same occupation and general roles, connecting themselves. It should be noted that Stars are just a general species within the Mario universe. We won't stop there, remember Star Road? I hope so, because the two locations are also the same. Star Road (also called Star World) actually first comes from Super Mario World, making a further connection of a mainline title to other games. Star Road in both Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are stated to be above the clouds. Something Super Mario World also displays. (Sorry if the image is small) static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b4/SMW_Art_-_Star_World.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027074228 Both are star locations that are the location of were wishes are to be granted at. They both are star related locations (even if the names and place looks different, this is a general thing within Mario however). And they are both where Star-beings live at. If you're still not convinced, I present my final argument. How are the wishes granted? Wishes are described to take shape into a Wish Star, and become little shooting stars. Paper Mario directly says this is also how wishes are formed. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/8/88/WishScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027075024 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/c/cc/WishScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027075058 Additionally, if we fast forward to Paper Mario: Color Splash, we can also directly see Mario and Huey make a wish. Which is done as a shooting star. That was a lot of connections. I guess Paper Mario being a scrapped Super Mario RPG 2 makes far more sense now. Back to more connections using... the same two games. Kind of. In Paper Mario, we see Mario be able to take the form of his NES-self, an obvious callback to his older adventures. Super Mario RPG actually does the exact same thing. Side-note, but Mario looking pixel-like is a canon thing he has acknowledged himself (Super Mario All-Stars Japanese Manual, Pages 121 & 123) static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/e/ea/NESMarioScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027080558 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/7/73/NESMarioScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027081237

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

And this is just from Paper Mario. There are other instances where his canonicity contradicts what happened in the game. And no, in terms of canon, yes, Paper Mario is the strongest Mario. But when you ignore that, it's actually Mario-Kun from the manga. And it should also be known that Time Eater can't be scaled to 11D while Super Dimentio can. "How?" You ask? Well, it's as simple as this. The Overwhere and Underwhere. Think of both of these realms as Heaven and Hell for example. What makes them scale to 11D is two things. Higher planes of existence, and String Theory Soup. The argument is Dimentio, who surpassed The Void, which was going to consume all existence--all worlds, all dimensions, all possibilities and all timelines. How did Dimentio surpass The Void? First off, Paper Mario and the others tanked The Void. But, that's not all that's important here. Mainly, look at Paper Mario's condition after The Void. He has been blasted interdimensionally back to Flipside, and is unconscious. Now, to compare, when Dimentio attacked, Paper Mario and his party was blasted--once again--interdimensionally to The Underwhere, and were once again rendered unconscious. The similarities definitely can't be ignored; Dimentio matched its power. But even then, he has points of surpassing it; his attack that he held back on, mind you, surpassed a tremor from The Void. He merely snapped his fingers without malicious intent, and his tremor shook Castle Bleck harder than all the tremors The Void caused; we know he was holding back because he didn't want to hurt Luigi; he needed him. And because String Theory Soup proves that the Marioverse's secrets reside within String Theory, which is a theory that supports 11-dimensionality, this feat was consuming eleven dimensions. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1086823304205176872/paper_mario_color_splash.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073725599400603738/Screenshot_20221231_000654.jpg

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

Now, there's even more evidence backing up several aspects of this; to start, let's address doubts about The Void destroying dimensions. Next, let's talk about odd occurrences that back up String Theory being valid; to start, aesthetic details indicate String Theory in affect in the Marioverse. And what with mathematical-like equations existing in worlds like "Lineland," we can determine--for certain--that The Void was going to destroy all mathematical dimensions. And what about String Theory Soup? Is it reliable? Yes. It's the narrator who talks about String Theory Soup's description; third-person omniscient narrator. That is intensely reliable. And now, to address its name "not being important." The last sentence means everything: "Drink not, lest you learn more than what man was ever meant to know." Whatever this soup houses is huge. The earlier sentence states, "All the secrets of the universe are contained within this soup." So, it's something huge and revealing--a secret that man was never meant to know--about the universe. And the name reveals what that secret is; which is consistent since, String Theory relates back to the universe. The scale goes that Dimentio can destroy these forms, due to scaling above the void with dimension D. And in Mario's time machine there is proof that these forms exist, as the theory of forms is shown to be more plausible. And in the bottom "the republic" is the theory of forms as shown at the bottom. And from all the red scans that are shown below, the theory of forms seems to be much more plausable, according to the omniscient narrator of the game which servers as the main game mechanic. And in this, Aristotle agrees with the republic head on, when in real life he was the only one to disagree. So if the republic is true in Mario, then dimentio, due to scaling to the void, he can destroy these forms easily. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716954835193967/Screenshot_20230207_212837_Chrome.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716955053305946/Screenshot_20230207_212955_Chrome.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716955279794206/WQygmnq_d.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716956135428328/1X2RX63_d.webp cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716956726833204/Screenshot_20230207_214052_Chrome.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716956957515878/Screenshot_20230207_220549_Google.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073716957171421186/Screenshot_20230207_222545_Google.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073723385999274065/Screenshot_20230122_160316.jpg cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072944646604476546/1073723386250919957/Screenshot_20230122_160425.jpg

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Solaris can also be countered by that of Culex, who has a similar time and space devouring feat. Culex has these abilities: Matter Manipulation (Capable of devouring matter), Space-Time Manipulation (Is proclaimed as the master of Time and Space. Can consume Time), Precognition (can see tens of years into the future), Anti-Matter Manipulation (Claimed to be an entity made of pure anti-matter itself), Creation (Shaped the Elemental Crystals from nothing, which amplified his power), Life-Force Absorption (Drain & Mega Drain are able to draw out the life-force of a being), Omnipresence (He himself stated to be the inheritor of Space and Time.), etc. And before you say that each Mario is a different version, Miyamoto himself stated that Super Mario has no definitive canon. By this alone, we can say that any Mario game considered canon is indeed, the same Mario with a different appearance.

[@TylerOfChaosYT]

White Tanooki Mario, just like Super Sonic keeps all of his base abilities when transforming. If we list all of Mario's powers, you would see just how much it is, ranging from: Superhuman Physical Characteristics Acausality (Type 1. Can interact with and fight alongside his baby self[1]) Genius Intelligence Minor Fourth Wall Breaking (Thanked the player for playing his game) Telepathy (Shares a telepathic bond with Luigi, allowing the two to always know where the other is at[2]) Self-Sustenance (Type 1. Shown to consistently be unaffected by the vacuum of space[3] and being underwater for prolonged periods of time[4]) Toon Force and Elasticity (Can survive being flattened and is able to recover immediately) Hammerspace (Various power-ups and items) Expert Hand-to-Hand Combatant (Mario has shown master-levels of combat prowess throughout his tenure as the Mushroom Kingdom's hero. He has defeated a myriad of powerful enemies, mostly consisting of Bowser, a powerful tyrant hellbent on galactic conquest and the kidnapping of Princess Peach. Outside of nemeses, Mario has also bested Jinx[5], a dojo sensei and martial artist whom will challenge Mario up to 3 times and become more difficult with each fight, in direct combat. Mario's skills have impressed Jinx so much that they even incorporated his fighting style into his training. Alongside Luigi, Mario is capable of fighting both Bowser Memory M and Bowser Memory L, identical copies of the bros based on how Bowser "fondly" remembers them) Master Acrobat (Has[6] displayed countless[7] examples of being[8] an expert acrobatic[9], such as being able to perform numerous flips mid-air, as well as various moves if accompanied by a partner. Can jump from several stories to the sky, perform superhuman leaps, and gain extra air time by repeatedly fluttering his feet) Limited Enhanced Statistics Amplification (Via Triple Jump, which allows Mario to temporarily become invincible after the third consecutive jump[10]) Self-Perception Manipulation (Can slow down his perception of time normally, or with Zone Speed, to time attacks correctly) Attack Reflection (His Hammer and Spin can reflect projectiles) Status Effect Inducement (His Spin Jump can stun enemies. His Hammer can also cause dizziness to an enemy) Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm Boos and Cackletta's soul) Adaptation (Easily adapted to the gravities of different sized planets) Afterimage Creation (Naturally leaves behind afterimages when using Zone Speed, and even without it) Weapon Mastery (Has been shown to expertly utilize a wide array of tools and weapons at his disposal such as: hammers, swords, koopa shells, robots, blasters, and many more. His iconic weapon of choice, the Hammer, is a weapon he shows, arguably, the greatest proficiency in. With the Hammer, Mario can reflect projectiles, stun enemies, and even cause them to undergo dizziness) Weapon Creation and Energy Manipulation (Can summon a giant hammer[11], a fire flower, and a rocket. Can also create a weapon composed of pure energy) Vehicular Mastery (Mario can expertly drive and pilot a multitude of vehicles and aircrafts such as: go-karts, bikes, boats, planes, submarines, and much more. Mario's expertise with vehicles and aircrafts enables him to perform acrobatic moves when driving, and fight during these events as well) Fire Manipulation (Is fully capable of producing fire on his own after obtaining the Firebrand. He can shoot large balls of fire, barrages of fire balls, and set objects on fire) Explosion Manipulation (Can create fiery explosions) Status Effect Inducement (Can use the move "Fire Bros." to perform a First Strike. Doing so will result in the enemy being afflicted with the "Burn" status) Ice Manipulation (Made an ice tower grow taller and can throw snowballs to freeze an enemy[12]) Time Travel (Traveled through time, via unknown means, to help his past self[13]) Possibly Existence Erasure (Wiped Wendy's castle from existence. Should noted that this might most likely fall under Toon Force) Extreme Heat (Can withstand the heat of Bowser's artificial sun while battling him inside it. As a racer in Mario Kart Wii, he can survive falling into lava without harm) Extreme Cold and Cosmic Radiations (Can easily endure the coldness of space and its hazardous elements. Can navigate through World 6, which was stated to be sub-zero in temperature and can freeze Bowser's army[14]) Fire Manipulation (As a playable character in Mario Kart Arcade GP DX, he can easily endure being set on fire when eating a Flaming Tender[15]) Ice Manipulation (Can break free from ice by an Ice Bro) Electricity Manipulation (Isn't negatively affected by Luigi using Thunderhand on him, and like other characters in Mario Party 6, Mario can endure being electrocuted) Paralysis Inducement (Unaffected by Bowyer's arrows, which paralyzes anyone it hits[16])

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Sleep Manipulation (Resisted the Dreambeats, which put all inhabitants of Pi'illo island to sleep[17]) Sealing, Mind Manipulation, and Corruption (Type 2. Is merely damaged by Fury Bowser's Black Paint, as opposed to being sealed away like the islands in Lake Lapcat. Mario was also unaffected by both the Black Paint and Fury Bowser's passive corruptive aura[18]) Petrification (Broke free from being turned to stone) Transmutation (Treats Kamek's magic as an ordinary attack, which can transmute objects into enemies. Can also fight as a scarecrow) Gravity Manipulation (Has adjusted his gravity to walk normally on hundreds of different sized planets and can resist the strong gravitational pull of black holes) Matter Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, and Disease Manipulation (Unaffected by the paint Shadow Mario used, which can morph the ground it was on, get rid of entire pieces of land, or make entire buildings disappear completely and reappear from nothing, as well as being consistently stated to be a toxic pollutant, and having inflicted fevers to the Chain Chomplets) Transformation and Statistics Amplification (Via multiple power-ups) Healing (With the Super Mushroom) Size Manipulation (With the Super Mushroom, Mini Mushroom, and Mega Mushroom) Greater Fire Manipulation (With the Fire Flower) Greater Ice Manipulation (With the Ice Flower) Enhanced Statistics Amplification (The Super Star, Rainbow Star, Mega Mushroom, Invincibility Leaf, and Invincibility Bell all grant this due to in-game showings where a character becomes impervious to all types of conventional damage, and statements from sources) Teleportation (With the P-wing and Warp Whistle) Flight (With the Cape Feather, Super Leaf (Raccoon), Invincibility Leaf (Raccoon), and P-Balloon) Vibration Manipulation (With the Mega Mushroom and Cape Feather) Extended Attack Reflection (With the Cape Feather) Extended Weapon Mastery (With the Hammer Suit, Superball Flower, and Boomerang Flower) Free Movement (Water Walking. The Mini Mushroom allows Mario to run on water) Surface Scaling and Shapeshifting (With the Super Bell and Lucky Bell, Mario can climb up vertical surfaces. Lucky Bell in particular can allow Mario to transform himself into a golden lucky cat statue, temporarily making him invincible[19]) Resurrection (With 1-Up Mushrooms) Mushrooms/Flowers/Stars: Earth Manipulation (Rock Mushroom) Cloud Manipulation and Platform Creation (Cloud Flower) Transmutation, Explosion Manipulation, and Greater Fire Manipulation (With the Gold Flower. The Gold Flower is also capable of taking out enemies/bosses who are normally resistant, or immune, to the Fire Flower's attacks) Invisibility and Intangibility (Boo Mushroom and Power Flower) Flight (True Flight. With the Red Star) Battle Cards: Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Stats, with Bowser's Battle Cards. Mario can increase his power in proportion to the amount of damage he's taken during battle) Statistics Amplification (With Battle Cards. Mario can increase the power of his Boots and Hammer up to 50%, his defense up to 50%, and his speed, for a limited time, up to 35%) Fire Manipulation (With Bowser's Battle Cards. This adds fire to any of Mario's attacks) Purification (Type 3. With Battle Cards. Mario can remove status effects from himself) Healing (With Battle Cards. Mario can restore 30% of his Health, or fully) Damage Nullification (With any of his Battle Cards. Mario can nullify any damage that may be taken once) Resurrection (With Peach's and Bowser's Battle Cards. Mario can resurrect a fallen ally) Statistics Reduction (With Battle Cards. Mario can lower the defense of an enemy by 50% and their power by 30% for a limited time ) Transmutation (With Toad's Battle Cards. Mario can transform an enemy into a Mushroom, though this has a chance to fail) Gear/Items (Mario & Luigi Series): Accelerated Development (Battle; Physical Stats, with Knockout Boots, which increases Mario's striking power with each enemy he defeats. With Golden Hammer, Mario's power increases in proportion to the amount of coins he has) Passive Healing (With Doctor Socks, Nurse Socks, and Guardian Socks, all of which restore some of Mario's HP after a turn. He can also heal himself with Max Mushroom, Nut, Super Nut, Max Nut, Ultra Nut, and Star Candy) Extended Resurrection (Via 1-Up Gloves, Gumption Socks, and Retry Clock) Damage Nullification (With Guard Shell DX, Big Shell, Small Shell, and KO Shell, all of which can negate damage taken over the course of battle 6 times) Portal Creation (Via Magic Window[20]) Statistics Amplification (With Bye-Bye Gloves and Dent Gloves which is potent enough to instantly one-shot foes comparable to Mario himself. Cozy Wear and Guard Wear increase Mario's defense whenever he takes damage, or blocks an attack, respectively) Summoning (With the Zee Egg, Mario can summon the Zeekeeper to aid him in battle) Supernatural Luck (With Stache, which increases odds of critical hits and increases the chances of enemies dropping items after battle) Invisibility (With Boo Biscuit, which can turn Mario temporarily invisible) Purification (Type 3. With Refreshing Herb and Star Candy, Mario can remove status effects from himself) Caps: Shapeshifting and Power Mimicry (Luigi and Wario caps) Flight (True Flight. With the Wing Cap) Intangibility and Invisibility (Vanish Cap) Metal Manipulation (Metal Cap) Possession (Via Cappy)

[@Godzillaguy1954M]

Sonic can surpass time without holding a chaos emrald from what ive seen, meaning he has infinite stamina Even still he can surpass light for sure without holding an emerald, meaning he still has infinite stamina since he does have mass.

[@Fulmimio]

I think Mario wins. It's a very close battle, but you low balled Mario a lot in this video. Also, if you use kirby in the next video. Kirby vs Sonic, if you make kirby lose it's pretty biased not gonna lie. Kirby litteraly negs everything.

[@axiom6000]

Cap

[@Deidecosta822]

Cagando palavras:

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

You scaled Sonic appropriately and well at that, but… I do wanna clear a few things about Mario, since he was downplayed and not properly looked at here, and I mean ZERO hate with this. Please acknowledge that. And read to the end of this overly long goofy analysis is you want some clarification. Anyways: - Mario being different in every game is negated by Miyamoto outright stating that every Mario is the same Mario in an interview, and in Mario Odyssey, Mario and Bowser flash back to previous older games when possessing or being possessed and in Mario Sunshine, the fludd showed older Mario game footage while scanning Mario despite their different game styles and graphics, so Mario has remembered and been through all these games. (Except Paper Mario because of Paper Jam) - Also, Base Mario vs Base Sonic would be a little more than “Sonic beats Mario before he can realize what’s going on”. Mario likely doesn’t have the reaction time to keep up with Sonics attacks, but he can most certainly survive some of them. Make no mistake, Mario has super human durability, since he’s taken hits from so many powerful enemies like Dreamy Bowser, Culex, and The Dark Star, and he even survives the explosion of Bowsers Star reactor, being thrown across the entire Mushroom kingdom before hitting a tree and then the ground, being directly on top of Mollusque-Lanceur exploding in Mario Odyssey, a 2.4 megaton explosion in Mario Power Tennis, and Mario is described as a Homo nintendonus by his wiki, which is a cartoonish human, so he has toonforce-like durability in his games. - Nintendo themselves confirmed that if Mario were to canonically die, he would just come back to life, since his soul is rejected by both Heaven and Hell. So… it’s highly debatable if Sonic could even fully put Mario down, much less kill him. - And Sonic not being able to die with rings is a gameplay mechanic, since Mephiles was able to kill Sonic in Sonic The Hedgehog. The lava in Bowsers castle is a substitute for bottomless pits, since if Mario can survive hits from Blargg the LAVA dragon, then Bowsers lava being an insta-kill is a GAME MECHANIC. That’s not even mentioning how this doesn’t apply to Mario in several other games. - In Mario and Luigi: Dream Team Mario could perceive and dodge projectiles flying at him while on the Mach 375 Star Driver, so he is able to react many, MANY more times the speed of sound, so him being able to see Sonic may be possible. -Also, Hyper Sonic has never been used by Sonic in a canonical sense, and Sonic’s strongest from is stated to be Super Sonic, so Hyper is probably a possibility of Sonic’s forms rather than a confirmed one. - Mario is also able to whoop Bowser on a consistent basis, (often with no power-ups, like In Mario 64 and Galaxy) the nigh-immortal Turtle that survived falling into a Black hole that exploded in Mario Galaxy. And in Bowsers Fury Mario’s Giga Cat form was able to take on a far larger and stronger version of Bowser, so that really spells volume to that Power-up. Mario could also give himself a double cherry in combination with an OP power-up like the Metal Mushroom, Mega Mushroom, aforementioned Giga Cat Bell, or one of his many stars. - Mario’s ground pounds are strong enough to launch meteorites back at Bowser as shown in Galaxy, and Mario has the arm strength to outswim a (weakened but still authentic) Black Hole, so I think he would get strength. And before you argue that Mario was strengthened by Luma, Luma was only stated in the game manual to help Mario survive in deep space and give him his spin-attack. And Mario was still in the area of effect when the supernova hit in Mario Galaxy, so Rosalina reset the universe AFTER Mario was already taking damage and tanking it. - And for clarification, Dreamy Bowser is universal at minimum, and has reality manipulation due to being powered by the dream stone, and The Dark Star is the Mario universe equivalent version of SATAN, and Mario was able to damage and defeat both. - And Mario is able to fight Culex in Mario RPG and Culex can eat space and time themselves by simply existing. Mario was able to move and harm him AS he was doing that, meaning Mario has time stop negation and has beaten someone who can manipulate time and cross dimensions. IN BASE FORM. - But hey. At the end of the day, these absurdly overpowered mascots are friends as of now, and it’s only my opinion on Mario being able to match or outdo Sonic in several capacities.

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@ohosmandivine6770 I think it could go either way, but I believe Mario would extreme diff the fight. Or in other words: Base Mario Vs Sonic = Mario High-Extreme Diff Base Mario Vs Super Sonic = Sonic No-Low Diff Gigacat Mario vs Super Sonic = Tie

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@ohosmandivine6770 My straight answer would be Mario.

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@ohosmandivine6770 He probably wouldn’t beat them in Base, but he’d easily mid-high diff most if not all of them with Super Sonic.

[@xeno8092]

To be honest it is just a stomp for sonic since Mario does not have reality manipulation resistance, not to mention Sonic is incredibly faster than Mario. I’d argue sonic beats Mario in base form low-mid diff.

[@JosiahTheStickGuy]

@@xeno8092 I respect your opinion, and Sonic most certainly has a speed advantage above Mario, but Mario has also fought a reality manipulator and won while having resistance to their abilities: Dreamy Bowser from Dream Team. He was creating whatever he wanted from nothing with the power of the dream stone.

[@Hectichedgehog]

Now that’s what I call accurate

[@KhamarisKindaCool]

Next fight, Spongebob vs Uncle Grandpa

[@supermariocal8660]

"The Mario in Mario 64 isn’t the same as Mario odyssey and galaxy…" No. Mario going into bowsers head in odyssey shows which games are connected through memories. The only different ones are the paper, manga, 93’ movie, 23’ movie, main timeline, and galaxy, because yes it is a separate universe as told by Luigi in the first game.

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

He definitely has never played a mario game

[@supermariocal8660]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Don't get me started I know everything there is to know about Mario.

[@supermariocal8660]

​@@thelegendarymarioman8461I completely agree with you

[@JugularJohn]

Man really discredited himself THE SECOND he said that. The lowballing on Mario was fucking insane 😭

[@paulgilbert5278]

Exactly He was ignorant!

[@KookieStar]

*Both are strong, both are equal and y'all need to shut up about this Console Wars shit.*

[@thefastcommenter7774]

How is talking about these two characters fighting “Console Wars” Are you that stupid? Also, using bold doesn’t make your argument any better. Sonic wins over Mario, end of conversation.

[@3DoublePoint]

Fr They need to shut the fuck up with this shit!!

[@FriendlyNeighborhoodNoob]

I agree....

[@Whoxps]

This has been a debate for like 30 years, me and you will die before this debate is finished. And bro this ain’t PlayStation and Xbox we all know Nintendo slammed sonic and bitched him, literally bought sega. Crazy

[@KookieStar]

@@Whoxps I don't care, they're canonically friends now and that's what important. All this toxic rivalry bullshit is annoying at this point.

[@liammccbyrne4184]

people discussing Mario vs sonic: "alright so no extra lives, broken power ups, and no abilities specific to one game" people discussing Mario vs sephiroth: "um dont you know Mario is multiverse level and can deflect supernova right back at him"

[@thelegendarymarioman8461]

This comment is just cringe💀 Without game mechanics mario is actually stronger 💀💀

[@L3GacY3]

@@thelegendarymarioman8461if we’re talking about no game mechanics, that’s sonic. Or not could be wrong.

[@paulgilbert5278]

Why do people forget M&L? Mario doesn’t need game mechanics to clap Sonic

[@noob3702]

@@paulgilbert5278im pretty sure that isnt cannon because of marios inconsistencies and the fact that its extremely different compared to other games

[@OfficialVCip]

“Mario has better video games!” Sonic frontiers: am i a joke to you?

[@Chckster]

If you like sonic frontiers you’ll LOVE Mario odyssey….. or galaxy….. or 64….. or Galaxy 2- Huh I guess Mario just did frontiers better in the 90s lol

[@FinkFox580]

Superstar saga Mario slams sonic though

[@Banana807]

Archie sonic?

[@FinkFox580]

@@Banana807 yes

[@Banana807]

​@@FinkFox580wrong

[@FinkFox580]

@@Banana807 right

[@Banana807]

​@@FinkFox580you havent even read archie i bet

[@p1000-ratti]

Mario was literally swimming in a black hole, how can you deny this fact? One more thing, how did you say Sonic is stronger than Mario? In punching, he is faster, but in throwing or lifting Mario is laughing in the middle. In the real sense, all Sonics in all games are different and not the same. You assumed all Sonics to be the same, right? Well, we do the same thing. Paper Mario joined the chat. come on reply my comment to see what you got

[@bubblewaffle1558]

Sonic is even physicaly stronger bruv

[@p1000-ratti]

@@bubblewaffle1558 OOOHHH- SERIOUSLY? Tell me, what is the maximum weight that Sonic can lift? About 200 tons. mario He lifted a 61 million ton castle with one hand, easily punched it and threw it far away, Or that Mario shook a galaxy with his bare hands

[@thefastcommenter7774]

@@p1000-rattiLOL my brother Mario never lifted a castle or shook a galaxy, in either instance he needed help.

[@3DoublePoint]

​@@p1000-rattiBro you have to remember this because most people who forgotten about Knuckles actually Punch super Sonic from out of his Body in "Sonic & Knuckles" beginning of the cutscene. We all see Knuckles did the same thing with Doctor Robotnik while he using the Master Emerald in the Sonic movie 2. Sonic is not invincible, Explain why Knuckles punch super sonic with one HAND!?

[@p1000-ratti]

@@thefastcommenter7774 In Super Mario World, Mario lifted a 61 million ton castle like nothing and threw it into the air. In Super Mario Galaxy, he shook the entire galaxy with his hands LEL When you know noting don't put yourself in the middle of the war, kid

[@Rukabu_Break]

By the way, Sonic can survive the force when inside a black hole. In Zero Gravity, he just goes in, casually beats a god, and then its fin. And in base form too!

[@st2k27]

Mario has also swam away from a black hole but yea sonic still solos

[@NamtorNothing]

Mario lost to someone who appeared 12 years after him

[@StummyTicklePickle]

this video is wrong

[@YeetoTheYeetafic]

I found out every Mario is the same Mario and also he outswam a black hole which is Canon apparently

[@wubproductions9755]

Yeah that’s the only gripe I have with this video, saying that all the Mario games take place in different cannons just because there artstyles are different is pretty dumb

[@BraeBrae-numba-1]

I don’t know about sm64 Mario is older than Oddessy Mario just because if he was then 64 Mario would know cappy and a lot more stuff would be there then again maybe I misunderstood what you said

[@mino000]

base sonic literally brought back time itself because he went so fast

[@YeetoTheYeetafic]

@@mino000 mario outswam a black hole in Mario Party 4, any playable character in that game can do it

[@mino000]

@@YeetoTheYeetafic the luma helped Mario

[@Bokokirby]

About comp Mario, while I agree that Paper Mario and Mario are different, I do think it is implied in the series that Mario from the mainline games (64, Galaxy, Sunshine, etc) is canonically the same Mario. Visual differences of the Marios is not canon, rather hardware limitations at the time, and there was never any implication in the games and lore that the different Marios across games were actually different people, unlike Sonic who has interacted with and fought alongside classic Sonic. No Marios have ever done this in the way Sonic has, and besides paper Mario there was never talk of timelines and a multiverse of Mario. I think for a fair fight we shouldn’t assume each mainline game is a different Mario in canon just because other franchises like Sonic or Spider Man do similar things. The only one who’s actually different is Paper Mario.

[@Random66860]

Different doesn't mean non canon

[@UnderCurrents15]

Who's gonna tell this dude about the scene in Mario Odyssey where you see Bowser's memories? I think the whole point about Comp Mario is a little off.

[@justjames4]

There is also the fact that Mario and other commonly seen characters in his series are intentionally designed to be inconsistent. It's confirmed by Shigeru Miyamoto that the reason why there are contradictory events like Bowser being on friendly terms with Mario in sports games despite being an evil villain in a lot of other games is because the characters are supposed to be like actors who can flexibly play different roles in a fictional setting. Rather than the contradictory events taking place in separate continuities, the characters operate under many separate consistencies and portrayals.

[@HoWhat-x5e]

Just remember that mario is just a normal guy thats a plumber. If he gets a powerup he'll have a teeny tiny advantage but hes cooked.

[@MarioSonicBee]

I feel like sonic fans are constantly underestimating Mario cause “he’s too slow to even land a punch” or “Archie Sonic/Hyper Sonic solos 🤓” but I feel like in a genuine fight base to base Mario could come out on top. For starters he is stronger than Sonic by a long shot, is more durable and has more experience and skill. Not saying he would instantly win but I think he would use Sonic’s cockiness and arrogance to his advantage as that’s Sonic’s biggest weaknesses. Overall base to base game version I see Mario winning with high difficulty. Super Sonic however, yeah Mario getting clapped by him.

[@trixx_w]

With the super sonic thing, remember when knuckles 1 tapped super sonic WITH 1 UPPERCUT????? Yeah that was crazy. But if Mario gets the strength stat from knuckles, doesn’t that mean he can just surprise attack sonic or something? 🤷‍♂️

[@Mike223istaken]

@@trixx_w That's due to Knuckle's connection to the master emerald, not his raw strength. Super's also gotten way stronger since 3 & Knuckles lol.

[@maddoxreddish4352]

​@@trixx_wknuckles is connected to the master emerald which neutralizes the emeralds, and sonic only fogured out how to go super in sonic 2, so he might not have full control of the power yet

[@Thaumiel98]

Mario is more durable? Are you sure?

[@Mike223istaken]

@@Thaumiel98 Mario's survived things like a supernova in base form.

[@Jstarredchaos]

I agree with you. Sonic would 100% win. I even made a video disagreeing with death battle on their debate of Mario vs sonic. I just can’t see a realistic way for Mario to win if both are analyzed the same. The only way I could see Mario winning is if he was a strategist and used his power ups wisely to lure sonic into a trap. But Even then it wouldn’t be likely for that to happen

[@LCLGod]

Both videos are wrong, both Sonic and Mario are not on their full potential

[@thechickenhouse3187]

@lowqualitychoas9272 of course u say that u have a shadow pfp, no hate but u seem kinda biased ngl

[@Jstarredchaos]

@@thechickenhouse3187I also have bowser as my channel banner so wouldn't that mean I can be biased towards Mario too? Lol. So my bias would cancel out. I would be perfectly fine with Mario winning if the evidence provided so, But the stats just aren't in Mario's favor. Either way I love both series.

[@itz_yume15]

@@thechickenhouse3187the hell

[@adamsalt9459]

the entirety of the death battle channel is biased

[@chuckflash]

Mario defeated dreamy bowser, who was amped by an infinite number of dreams. And thanks to mario party we know that dreams are universe… We also know mario is capable of piloting the star diver which travels several hundred lightyears in seconds. Hed be able to react to sonic.

[@KingLbow555]

Mario is also capable of swimming out of black holes lmao

[@paulo547]

​@@KingLbow555 Don't bring up Mario party, it's not canon. Literally every single character in the roster can escape the black hole then, making this feat not impressive. Moreover, he just dies in Mario galaxy if he falls into a black hole lmao

[@chuckflash]

@@paulo547lets keep in mind base mario defeated bowser whom survived being sucked into an exploded black hole. Sonic had to be saved by the wisp after being sucked up by a black hole. Mario party is confirmed to detail cannon events aswell

[@thefastcommenter7774]

Keep crying Mario fan 😂

[@gsm4919]

@@chuckflashtbf the black hole sonic ran from was charged by alien energy and knowing Eggman he would have gone for a damn powerful and merry source. I mean the chaos emeralds literally blew up half the moon so who knows what the alien energy can do