Marita Koch & GDR Womens Relay & Jarmila Kratochvilova [T&F] [1983-1985]

[@bluecheese4877]

The incomparable Marita Koch 😍 She was setting world records at the age of 22. A class above.

[@georgefindlay1982]

Steroid assisted both her and JK

[@MH77391]

Lets not forget the Americans. Flo Jo, Marion Jones etc

[@MirjanaLfan]

GOAT

[@ynotnilknarf39]

Kratochvilova's 400m leg is insane. She takes the baton and turns back around at 2:32 dead short of the line by 3 metres and almost at a dead stop, she crosses the line after running around the russian and East German thus she's run about 405-6metres and stops the clock at 3:20.8, a circa 48.8 from a standing start having to go around athletes and running further, absolutely bonkers!

[@mf5202]

More juice here than in the entire state of Florida.

[@johnblack8036]

Koch's 400 is the most astonishing run I've ever seen on a track. She was an elite runner to begin with. The drugs obviously made a difference, but you don't just go on a drug regimen and run a 47.60. I don't think people understand how insane her time is. Moller's opening 100 in the relay is overlooked also. Looking at how most of these athletes look today, I still don't see how Koch denies use. Have you seen the swimmers lately? They look nothing like they did back when they were competing.

[@ynotnilknarf39]

The drugs DO make a massive difference because you are effectively running and training as a pseudo male, you simply do not comprehend how much of a difference this makes. Even the androgynous Caster Semenya cannot run the 800m as fast as the 'male' Kratochvilova. If Koch had run the 400m evenly she would have run it in 46 something, she passed through 200m in 22.4s ffs!

[@K543]

@@ynotnilknarf39 It won't guarantee the doped runner running close or under 48s, otherwise we would have seen hundreds of female 48s runners in the last 30-40 years, only 3-4 were able in the history.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

@@ynotnilknarf39 Koch is the greatest sprinter the world has ever seen, the only athlete, male or female, who has set WRs at 50m, 60m, 100m, 100yds, 200m, 220yds, 300m, 400m, 4x100m, 4x400m. NO drugs will give you that level of performance over every distance, it requires a sprinter to have an insane start, insane raw speed and insane stamina. She is the only athlete who has ever had all 3 of them and run all of those distances at elite level. If it was just a question of drugs all the other athletes would have been doing it, Koch however was alone in doing so. Whilst the obviously drugged up Jamaicans have got very close to Flo's 100 and 200m records with the new shoes and tracks now, Koch's 400m time is still WAY out of sight.

[@mateusz8352]

Ukrainka na 1 torze (wtedy USSR) bardzo dobrze tu pobiegła, zwłaszcza biorąc pod uwagę tor. Lekkość biegu, swoboda, bardzo mocny finisz. Dziwne, że nie zrobiła większej kariery.

[@TheNYgolfer]

Back then: Drugs? HELL YEAH!! Today: Drugs? HELL YEAH!! Only difference is that today a whole new science has emerged. The science of masking , which makes certain drugs in the body undetectable. I say let em take whatever the hell they want and let the biggest freak win. Isn't that what we want to see anyway?

[@georgefindlay1982]

iVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR years THAT ATHLETES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE STEROIDS JUST TO SEE HOW FAST MAN AND WOMAN CAN BE.

[@MH77391]

Marita Koch. Greatest of all time!!

[@geemailman3716]

Thank you for posting this video!!!! I grew up watching athletics and I am a big fan all the time, lots of shit going going in sports these days in every sport which is so sad....,that is not right, but see little pieces of history that I remember from the childhood is nice!!

[@zabaleta66]

Dope? Sure. Awesome? Absofuckenlutely!!

[@kanekokazuko7034]

マリタコッホさんは間違いなくドーピングをしていたといわれていますが、ものすごくかっこよくて、速くて、しかも優しそうで、大好きでした。今でもよく覚えています。

[@lecochonquivole]

kock was undoubtedly an exceptional athlete, with, looking at the clips, a fairly normal physique - you could almost believe she was clean, or near enough clean. Kratochvilova...

[@terrya8989]

Records found after the fall of the Wall, found that Koch was on huge dosages of roids and she even complained that she wasn't being given enough. Apparently she was on almost as much as FloJo. lol

[@craigburgess7105]

oh fek off - massive cheats both of them

[@craigburgess7105]

funny how no athlete from either of these countries is anywhere near anything close to a medal these days - all a load of bullshit as was Flo-Jo and the like

[@peartprada5591]

DOPE

[@idontsignin]

The times they where running and distances they where jumping and throwing back then. They where like 40/50 years ahead of their time. Just now the gap is slightly starting to close, but still not nearly enough to challenge what they where doing back then. 10.6 for jetter at the 100m, 21.6 for schippers at 200m. It's been 10 years since richards ross ran 48.7 at the 400m. Will i ever see any of these records broken in my lifetime, i very much doubt it, which for track and field is bitterly disappointing.

[@swav.zielin]

If they nullified these records from the books you would see them broken periodically. The problem is they had a doping system in place that allowed for these women to perform like men. These "acheivements" are not impressive but frightening. They might have them on the record books but if you read the comments here everyone knows how not authentic they are. To give a clue how they go about their athletes, the entire Russian federation athletics teams (men and women) were just banned from Rio! Imagine what they got away with then if they do still went about it now like it was the norm. These "world records" are bullshit. Jackie Joyner-Kersee is the world record holder in the long jump in my book and whoever is next in line in these events not from the soviet/bloc.

[@phoenixforce6595]

Very true but Jackie Joyner-Kersee was also on drugs so you should discount her as well.

[@swav.zielin]

Not the same. Joyner-Kersee has consistently maintained that she has competed throughout her career without performance-enhancing drugs. On the other hand... "In 2001, the BBC claimed she (Drechsler) has admitted to unknowingly taking prohibited substances in the early 1980s under orders from her team doctors"

[@champagneforashley4882]

No, you're probably right. The world records from 100 to 800 will stand for years to come. Marita's 400 may stand forever. It would take an extremely gifted runner with a doping regimen to beat that 47.60. I can't even remember when someone ran a sub 49. Koch would have been great without the drugs. People think you can just give an athlete steroids and they automatically run faster. It doesn't work that way. East Germany also had superior training methods, but the drugs allowed them to maintain their brutal training regimens. Felix could probably come close if she was on the gear.

[@mysteriousdoge1298]

No, cause women don't take these hormones morphing them into men like germans, russians or FloJo were taking back then when they broke the records.

[@JLongTom]

Sorry to be so puerile on such an incredible video, but the Google captions are very amusing on this one.

[@Squidlark]

Koch(cock) is censored 😆

[@JLongTom]

@@Squidlark 0:50 'and it's cock reduction Aloha, and bloody Gaeta...'

[@JLongTom]

'and being chased by gravity though the world record pelvic Dodgeville over at forty seven nine nine and cock historic short being which he's still strong...'

[@Clemsonshawty]

4:07 is that not a male?

[@idontsignin]

Well that's what a shit load of steroids will do to you.

[@yuna1971]

Masses of women's hairy armpits!

[@mothertree]

LOL what a great group of men! HA

[@ljubopejakovic6408]

super sport country

[@lkfrostad]

What was jarmilla split on the anchor?

[@ynotnilknarf39]

one testicle on either side ;o)

[@lkfrostad]

Haha good one and so true

[@danilsonvideos]

ALLYSON FELIX and AMERICANS DESTROYED the east german record with a GREAT 40.82 on 4X100m ! YES.

[@Dee-zy5gh]

The title of this video should read Doping (1983-1985)

[@keyboarddancers7751]

total falsehood committed on the world stage for years; must've been painful being a clean competitor in those days

[@somersetfan1]

Look up Kathy Cook..., ironically Kathy Cook was the same age as Merline Ottey, but Cook's last major season was 1986 when she was just 26.

[@Squidlark]

If you choose to run clean in a race where your competition is clearly hoped up on drugs and getting away with it easily then that's on you.

[@BinuBalan]

Well the title should me mens relay.. Plz change it🤭.

[@redrum4100]

I wish drugs had never been invented. One wonders how the Kochs and Armstrongs would fair against clean athletes. Koch had to have some talent because she was two seconds faster than her nearest East German rival.

[@MH77391]

Of course she had talent! She was the greatest female runner of all time

[@redrum4100]

@@MH77391 How is she the greatest when you have non-drug takers like Waitz winning 9 New York marathons?

[@vernonhendricks867]

Strange to hear the commentator use the word ' girls'. The pic at 1:51, with the 4 GDR sprinters..their faces look like that of boys..the blonde one on the far right..and the hairy armpits..omg.

[@MTK1111111]

Yes, most of the East Europeans were high on steroids. But, I've got some startling news for you. Hairy armpits have nothing to do with drugs. All women (and men) have natural hair in their armpits and, for that matter, their legs, too. It is simply a matter of personal choice and local custom whether they shave it off, or not.

[@hoagey1580]

How did they all get away with it? These BBC Commentaries sound so ridiculous taking it all on face value

[@NylonAdidas]

The Eastern Bloc get all the bad press because they used steroids that could be tested for. The West used ones back then foe which tests came in much later. Marita Koch world 200m record was 21.71 and Felix ran 21.81, so only a tenth of a second down on that old mark, albeit we all know the impossible Flo Jo time of 21.34 is another controversial record that nobody clamours to have erased over 100m or 200m because she's not East German maybe? There were cheats on both sides and some of the western ones also got caught eventually, but to just blame the East Europeans for being the only dopers is a double standard and as somebody quite rightly pointed out below - Coe's record over 800m was just as controversial. Now he tries to target and ban other countries when his times may also have been suspect back in the 80s. Cheating and doping is everywhere on all sides and always has been.

[@marknorris1381]

There is a difference in regards to Coe's time. Whilst it stood for 16 years that world record has been lowered six times since then. The women's 100, 200, 400 & 800 metre records have all stood for decades, out of reach, and just a farce to clean sport. Anyone who takes any of those records seriously is kidding themselves.

[@user-ui6kv2np8i]

100% agree on Coe. Imo doped to the gills as well. I remember that he had a mysterious blood disorder at one point in the 80s, imo, probably a side effect of drugs. Michael Johnson's stroke is also possibly because of drugs too. ALL elite athletes dope. You either dope or sit at home and watch others on tv.

[@LPCLASSICAL]

Coe's record was exceptional but not surprising. In 1977 he ran 1.44 - in 1978 he ran 1.43 - in 1979 he ran 1.42 and in 1981 he ran 1.41. So a gradual progression and he was clearly an exceptional talent. Contrast that with Alan Wells who went from being a long jumper in 1977 to a 10.2 100M runner in 1978. Nobody in athletics from those days ever suggested the UK middle distance stars were taking anything and there is 0 evidence against them.

[@twaflyer1]

where would these sprinters be now if doping was being managed in the 70's , 80's, and maybe even the 90's? Fast yes, but not super fast! Schippers, Felix and a few of the others, would be the top all time greats, with years left to go in their careers! Also, it is beyond my comprehension how sorne athletes like Marion Jones, could lie so well! So convincing for such a long time! Looks like an Angel, but beneath the exterior is a vicious liar! Came clean only after testing broke her story wide open!

[@Ineddiblehulk]

I assume they're all doped to the eyeballs, but then what's changed? Doped then, doped now. Frankly I don't even care. I'm one of the masses that wants superhuman efforts so it's as much my fault as anyone elses'....

[@linusfotograf]

To avoid saying Cock on live TV he could’ve said Koch

[@carlosaraujo9037]

😂 😂 👍👍

[@peterdamianos1461]

one word....steroidsthese are not athletic achievements...they are politicswhich takes away from the viewers....the opposing athletes....and the athletes themselves...because no-one knows what could have actually been accomplished.but the worst injustice of all is to future athletes...that compete fairly....flo jo....Koch...kratochvila....marion jones...your integrity and morality....should be worth more than dollars or politics

[@TXVR-ut6qw]

Because being good at something is just not possible without steroids is what you're saying

[@degreeO]

The East German athletes were doped to the gills, often without their knowledge and consent. The Soviet and Czech athletes were in the same situation. These films depict medical, not athletic, achievements.

[@davd1986]

+degreeO Same as today. Look at how many Jamaicans and Americans have been caught doping in the last 10 years or more. Don't think for a second that Usain Bolt isn't on PED's.

[@TheCaspator]

Maybe she was doping but if you check her trainign videos no one in this era have ever trained so hard like her . She was running with a tyra on her belt + doing brutal weighlifting .without it she would never run so fast..

[@degreeO]

davd1986 No, I do not think that the Jamaican team is doped.

[@kte9236]

U better not let them hear you say that. Island folk think they started running all those times Europeans and Americans were running off Beef Patties and Jerk Chicken! LMAO

[@davd1986]

degreeO You are free to think that, but look at how many have been caught in the last ten years or so.

[@jjsmith4829]

i love all the whiners complaining. as if western athletes were clean. they were not. they were out drugged by the eastern bloc.

[@01zegar]

koch won because Szewinska left her caarier

[@mrtorstai5336]

As a gay man I always dreamt of Jamila.So masculine....lickable muscles

[@pw7780759]

Dopers the lot of 'en

[@andrewk7560]

kiss me or I crush you!

[@josjanssen6733]

Disgusting. Doped from head to toe.

[@joed1162]

FFS Drugged up to the eyeballs. Cheats cheats cheats. They are still doing it !

[@imirish4702]

Vials in the changerooms haha

[@thesage1621]

total dudes. everyone of them...

[@juschu67]

you are not Gender sensitive

[@LADAGRANTAFL]

just very slow man

[@christos9812]

there were no clean competitors at this level not then not now.The difference is who is protected and who isn`t If you are an atheletics fun you should know that the famous WADA visits the USAfor out of competition testing twice a year on appointed times!!!!!!!!! As for the clean western athletes of the past do you really believe that Coe has run 1.41 such a long time ago on fish and chips?Such hypocricy and such double standards are pure racism

[@MrVpassenheim]

I find it curious that you make NO mention of the biggest offender of all - East Germany. It is now well documented that ALL East German athletes in ALL sports were drugged and that this went on for nearly 2 decades without there being ever being, I believe, more than 1 or 2 who were caught. This is out of many thousands! Many later on in life are now suffering from the abuse they were subject to early on in life by the scruples-less East German machine.