Mark Hofmann & "Murder Among the Mormons" Pt 1 - Mormon Stories 1405: Sandra Tanner

[@rainyapril178]

It's great to see Sandra Tanner here again, John. She is a living legend.

[@FromJosephtoJesus]

Totally agree!!

[@anandrew6641]

Amen!

[@aardvark1956]

May the Lord continue to sustain her & give her strength.

[@raidenmaurice3552]

I dont mean to be so offtopic but does anyone know of a method to get back into an Instagram account? I was dumb forgot my account password. I love any assistance you can offer me

[@averyraylan1078]

@Raiden Maurice Instablaster :)

[@pattykake1076]

I so admire this lady. Her tenacity and drive to reveal the best kept secrets of the LDS church were epic. I credit her efforts with opening so many eyes to what was really going on behind the curtain. Thank you Sandra (and Jerald ). Thanks John for hosting her. 👍🏽

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[@sandram5664]

She looks fantastic! She is such a resilient person and always so good humored about her experiences. I was so happy to see this live show pop up.

[@stevecutthroat]

I met Sandra in the late eighties. Went to the bookstore and purchased 'A View of the Hebrews' and William Morgan's 'Expose of Freemasonry'. That's what did it for me. Thank you so much, Sandra. You saved my life.

[@jameswalberg3265]

Sandra Tanner is living history. We are so lucky to have this interview which fills in a lot of gaps and details. Kudos to your technical staff. Sandra Tanner looks 20 years younger than another recent interview. Lighting is amazing. John, your respect for and interest in Sandra Tanner makes a SPECTACULAR interview. She is a treasure and restores my faith in human kind. interview seems to stop abruptly at the end.

[@dianethulin1700]

Sandra Tanner is like the Grand Dame of Mormon truth telling. If I am going to be honest I remember her being criticized heavily (from the pulpit even!) while growing up and just going along with demonizing her. I owe her a HUGE apology and I owe her my thanks. The truth will always come out. Thank you Sandra & Gerald for always being honest and for your integrity

[@mormonstories]

Amen.

[@ralsharp6013]

Diane Tulin, this is both a sad and important comment. 🙌 Wow, Now you know both sides of how people view this quite incredible lady and I love you for your apology.. 🎶💧🌱💦🌳 Ooo, a good reminder about the scales being removed from our eyes. I reckon we've all been the blind man sitting by the side of the road, during various stages of our lives. 🤔 Praying that we all prosper and grow together... 🙏🏽

[@shmataboro8634]

I'd totally forgotten this until now, I remember as an LDS kid on the Midwest some adult ward members talking smack about " The Tanners and "people like that' . We mostly didn't pay to much attention to what was going on in Utah, just as most rank and file Catholics don't pay all that much attention to to the day to day workings of The Vatican, but we did get word of the things being discussed here.

[@thecatman4ever]

I absolutely LOVE Sandra Tanner!! Thank you Sandra for your time and kindness in speaking with John. One of the best interviews ever! I could listen to the both of you all day long. Your dedicated work has helped me on my journey out of the church. Thank you.

[@janepoindexter4470]

I hope you found Christianity in Christian Churches that only go by the Bible...not all the other books.

[@carywilkes6201]

When I was looking into Mormonism years ago I ran across Sandra on your podcast John. Both of you saved me.

[@kimmychan1967]

Thank goodness! My parents joined in the early 70’s when I was young. I can remember hearing about the Tanner’s and not to listen to those anti-Mormons. I’m 53 yrs old now and just finally coming across all of this. Crazy to me that I have not come across it sooner.

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

Same here!

[@kennethd.9436]

We stand on the shoulders of giants, Tanners, and Dehlins. Thank you for devoting your lives and platforms to share Mormon History and Mormon Stories.

[@transitionaloldlady6348]

I will watch any interview with Sandra Tanner!

[@spiral_heart8239]

I was listening to this while working out, and when Sandra said "we were running the drugs" I fell over and almost messed up my knee. Thanks for having her back John. She is Great!

[@sdfotodude]

She is adorable. Her memory is amazing. She is the Nancy Drew of exMormonism.

[@Avia2023]

Agreed!

[@FromJosephtoJesus]

Thank you so much, John, for bringing Sandra back! If only LDS members realized how much Jerald and Sandra have done to help them know the truth about Mormonism, we would see BYU being renamed after them! 😀

[@janepoindexter4470]

JSTANNER University has a good ring to it. JSTU!!

[@jaysoncohen8250]

Listened to all of this one - I could listen to her for days. So knowledgeable and a good speaker. Im glad she is still with us and made it through these tough times. Thanks Dr. D ! Great episode. Again...

[@kaijusushi8165]

So ironic that Jerald Tanner had more "discernment" than President Hinkley regarding the Hoffman forgeries . . .

[@richcountyratrodsjrod2329]

Crazy.

[@snugasaglove]

Kimball was prez then.

[@adambell8400]

Hinkley was in charge of the purchasing of the documents

[@RoanPretorius-de7xv]

You know I thought that too at the time

[@tkdbb2012]

Yup!

[@personofinterest8731]

Wow, Sandra is a legend. What a treat for us, thank you John. Love from South Africa 🇿🇦 💜

[@taylorpetersen5542]

Sandra’s “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for” reference might be the most epic thing I’ve ever heard 😂

[@user-vu2yb1gy4l]

Completely iconic, I love her. "These aren't the droids you're looking for" - Sandra Tanner, 2021.

[@azurephoenix9546]

And shockingly accurate.

[@dianebrown1721]

Beautiful Sandra!!! Thank you so much for coming on. So good to see her. Still as young and vibrant a ever. I admire her and have the deepest respect. I’m so grateful for the work of both of you. Sending a great big imaginary hug for each. Thanks for all you do🌸💝🌸

[@jubronaljoan]

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, save he revealeth his secret unto his servant Gerald Tanner

[@Will0wFire]

What an extraordinary lady Mrs Tanner is. Thank you for this interview.

[@hollicrosby7708]

I absolutely worship this woman of infinite wisdom!

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

The irony is she wouldn't want to be worshiped. I too am a fan of Sandra ( and the Tanners' work) but I am non religious. For me, as I don't claim to know God, Sandra has more meaning! I am sure she would be unhappy about that.

[@erinhimes7057]

I am enjoying going back and watching AALLLLLL Sandra's interviews! ❤

[@amychristensen7594]

I'm not a believer in God myself post Mormonism, but I adore Sandra and respect her belief. I actually remember hearing about the Tanners in seminary as a teen in Oregon in the late 90s. I didn't know what they did, I just knew they were "anti-mormon". When I met her at a Thrive event I told her I had been warned about her. 😉😂 Another great interview with her. 👍💕

[@arrahslichenmyer4986]

Christianity is not always easy buy it is.freeing in the end. Mrs. Tanner is easy to listen to. Good day!

[@brentwooden1219]

Amy Christensen,I can,I can't understand why you and others not a believer in God or an a God.After Mormonism,I found a Jesus Christ, Our SAVIOR, and our God.Sandra help me to see the God who created this world, the darkness turns to light, The Bible is a great book,I think it is the greatest Book,if you have not , Please do so.God bless you.

[@junejune1031]

@@brentwooden1219 what exactly cant you understand? It’s a book of stories you have no proof much of it actually happened or there is a god. I’m really surprised you wouldn’t understand?

[@RoanPretorius-de7xv]

Perhaps Mormonism was not the biggest problem you had

[@trishayamada807]

@@junejune1031 agreed! And if Jesus was so great how come he never said “by the way, don’t own people”. Funny there are some good things, but still awful things from Jesus. They are simply stories and morals of the time. Thankfully we are moving past magical believes, spells, potions and that people are born bad.

[@greenemonger]

I was fortunate to meet and talk to Sandra and Gerald Tanner back in the late 80s/early 90s. I was on the brink of leaving the Church already and this meeting sealed my fate!

[@soniakhaled8232]

I knew Mark Hofmann through our video store Videoland. When he came in to rent movies he was a very nice man and he made jokes with my dad about the Mormon church. We are strong Lutheran and grew up in Salt Lake City. We just learned to love everyone. When it happened we couldn't believe Steve Christensen was dead as well. He also and his family rented from us even after it happened. We loved their family and was respectful to them. Shannon Flynn also rented and Kathy Sheats. We were in so much awe because some of these people had movies rented when it happened. We didn't care for a very long time about the movies and didn't charge late fees of course. I could not believe it when they said Mark Hofmann did it. I remember him driving up in that same car that was bombed. He was proud of that car. To this day I have bought every book on it and researched. It hit me hard I had talked on the phone with him about what new movies were in the store and would we reserve them. I am still in awe about it. and very sorry for the families.

[@mormonstories]

Wow. Thank you for sharing.

[@avaree2271]

I already had much respect for Sandra Tanner but then she said “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for” and my respect when up tenfold.

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

I was hoping this exact interview would happen after watching the Netflix special and Ms. Tanner did not disappoint! Now to interview Shannon Flynn...🤞🤞🤞 Hope you're already on that, John.

[@mormonstories]

That would be awesome.

[@tamaralambert2853]

Yes!

[@glossypots]

I remember Shannon Flynn from the documentary because he seemed to be really emotionally involved and very damaged by the tragic consequences of Hoffman, outside of the obvious financial losses. I suspect it’s not a place he wants to visit often.

[@teresapitman1659]

This is wonderful. Thank you, Sandra.

[@carywilkes6201]

My favorite. Thanks john

[@marilynnoosterhof1853]

God richly bless you Sandra -- God knows you and I know there's a crown of Life waiting for you.

[@cassandra5516]

I'm not even LDS and I find this all so fascinating!

[@2stormmy]

me too??

[@larryballard4475]

Thank you Sandra for sharing your perspectives and knowledge. You are one of my heroes for sure.

[@bobbiejones9266]

The way the leaders of the Church did not fully and openly cooperate with the police is one of the reasons I really started questioning the background of the church and the teachings. I always felt they should have been completely open and even volunteered all they knew about Hoffman and all their dealings with him. It left me with the thought the leaders were shifty and secretive!

[@estebancarbajal6014]

There’s 28k+ subscribers. If we all donate $1 a month, that would bring thousands of dollars a month so John can keep doing this amazing work.

[@justinmasterson4611]

How do you donate?

[@estebancarbajal6014]

Justin Masterson John Delhin can create a PayPal account or any other type of account so we can donate.

[@tiffanijohnson611]

Thank you for this. Reminded me to update my payment info. Now that we don’t pay tithes, let’s support others who are going through what we’ve been through and are still going through!

[@gigi1332]

Love Sandra so much. Healing to see her again. Healing over all of this has been horrific. Love you Sandra. Thank you

[@deeess1739]

I thought the documentary was really good. When a deceiver goes up against the master deceivers the only ones hurt are the truly deceived-the true Believing members. Thank you Dr. John and Sandra!

[@ravikeller9626]

I'm amazed Hoffman's defense didn't simply argue that he was following the example of his prophet, Joseph Smith. "Your Honor, I plead the Smith..."

[@dianalewis3148]

🤣

[@snugasaglove]

LOL!

[@brianholly3555]

So timely and informative!

[@drbulbul]

What a fantastic interview. My favourite (approximate) quote: It's hard to be married to someone who's almost always right.

[@oksills]

I sooo disagree with this precious woman on this. I too am married to a wonderful man who truly, actually IS “almost always right!”. It is wonderful, it gives such great security! It is a huge blessing to our family to have such wisdom at hand.

[@ThomasSmith-ID]

Great convo. Thomas Bullock was my 4th great grandfather so thanks for covering this. I was surprised it wasn’t covered in documentary.

[@arrahslichenmyer4986]

I am sorry for your losses. I've been told that many people with Alzheimer's are very smart. Dad had that issue. Prayers and a hug. I enjoyed this program and have it thumbs up. I joined.

[@carolrousseau3629]

This is so amazing! As a non Mormon, it is easily understood and helps with conversations with those who live in Vermont.

[@ReligiousHistoryUK]

This is incredible. Thank you both

[@DrFuzzyFace]

QAnon, Young Earth Creationists, Flat Earthers, Mormonism ... Is there a difference? I will forever be indebted to the Tanners. It's the evidence that they made public that made possible my escape from my father's religion. In all probability, faithful Latter-day Saints believe their church is true for one simple reason: THEY KNOW NOTHING OF THE EVIDENCE THAT IT'S NOT. Great interview. Thanks, Sandra (and Gerald).

[@ktisdel1]

Enlightening historical information, thank you so much l!

[@aplaceandathing]

Hugh Pinnock (Presidency of the Seventy) specifically asked Hofmann to find "two very important items" for the church. The first was the lost 116 pages and the second was "something too sensitive to mention that the late Elders Mark E. Peterson and G. Homer Durham were most involved in prior to their deaths" which Pinnock later revealed was a seer stone. See: Utah Holiday Magazine - January 1986.

[@scottpurves]

this would mean that those 2 church leaders weren't aware of the stones locked in the vault, which we know they always had. These guys keep secrets from EACH OTHER, so they easily keep it from the people.

[@aplaceandathing]

@@scottpurves My interpretation is that they knew perfectly well about the stones in the vault, but there is one Joseph Smith stone that they are missing. From what I've read/heard I believe that it is Smith's white stone that they were looking for. The article doesn't say whose stone they were looking for (there are seer stones belonging to other early Mormons, and Hofmann dealt in them) so this is just my assumption.

[@MattandSmuggsMcGuireK9]

My friend used to play chess with Mark in prison and he said he had big hate for the Mormon Church.

[@jasonprice5307]

Goes without saying lol

[@yidiandianpang]

What was his ELO rating?

[@brentwooden1219]

Sandra Tanner, There's no telling how many lives she has touch with the TRUTH.She is a lighthouse for the people who seeking the TRUTH.God bless you and be with you always 🙏🙏🙌

[@tracy8359]

I picture the likes of John and Sandra on some days celebrating, "See?!! I told you so!!" And then other days mourning, "See? I told you so."

[@andreadiamond7115]

Hi John and Sandra 👋🏻👋🏻✌🏼❤️ Integrity is honesty cubed ❤️

[@rubendhoyos9886]

40:00 and I remembered attending Institute classes in which these plates and 116 lost pages were designed to fool men. How the plates of Nephi were made by God because God knew that the plates of Lehi were going to be “stolen”. In retrospect, I can’t believe how gullible I was as a practicing Mormon.

[@rubendhoyos9886]

2:56:00 Utlm.org was the original CES Letter.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

If you can get a copy read: " Covering Up The Black Hole In The Book of Mormon" by the Tanners. It shows how Smith dealt with the problem of the lost 116 pages. It explains why there is so much "filler" in the section of the BOM that was written to cover the lost material, and why the author tries not to mention any names or details, that would contradict the lost material if, horror of horrors, it should re-emerge.

[@miatap21]

In the late 1960s I met a woman from my work who was Mormon. I went with her several times to her "church". Since my family were Lutheran for many generations this choice was frowned upon. The mess that's going on now with Lori and Chad Daybell and the murders of their spouses and children is frightening especially since it's happening mostly in Utah, the Mormon "homeland'.

[@Tara.Daktyl]

Nothing in that story happened in Utah. Those murders happened in AZ & Idaho. Both states have many cities and towns founded by mormon pioneers.

[@susanmance9436]

Sandra is amazing!

[@tracy8359]

So, where did everyone think Mark was finding all these papers? Who stumbles upon historical records to sell multiple times? That in itself should have made him suspect to people.

[@dianethulin1700]

Right! And how Mark fooled all these people but wasn't able to fool Gerald or the detective on the case. And these were just people from Utah. Goes to show you don't find something if you aren't looking for it

[@bettescott950]

It appeared at the time 'the church's was afraid of bad publicity ... well "they" created the bad publicity and questions of discernment and profetship by spending $100,000.00+ on forged documents! I knew from the get go they were forged...

[@deanchappell1314]

Hoffman was planning before his mission. In England the library's would monthly sell old books that no one was reading. Mark wasn't rich buying rare books, he was buying cheap old books published in the early 1800's. In all of these books there were always empty pages at the end of the books. Authentic paper made in early 1800's to forge bank notes, among other documents. Mark would send back a box of books every other month. Mark took a calligraphy class, his instructor said Mark's hand writing was as though it came from a machine, just beautiful. The sloppy writing was part of the Con for the masses, you and me.

[@pamelaq6185]

Yes so they could not link his beautiful penmanship to these forged docs. His handwriting needed to be juvenile to not make him suspect

[@RobR4455]

Great interview!!! Is the next Netflix episode going to be the Warren Jeffs and FLDS saga, and the Alta Academy and the Kingston clan.

[@5fingerjack]

Listen to the podcast Unfinished: Short Creek.

[@suzannaturner299]

I have always admired the Tanner's but even if they researched history showing falsehoods in the church but this proves they are the real deal by not saying something was true when it wasn't even if it would help their own cause. By doing this it makes them more credible. They may no longer be believers but they don't seem anti-Mormon either.

[@quacks2much]

Ironically, although Sandra is Christian, she was one of the main reasons I became atheist. I greatly appreciate her for her help. I don't care that she is religious (even though theism is false in my opinion), I just care that she is the good person she is. It's a myth that all, or even most, atheists hate Christians. I always try to argue against ideas, not against "the person." The only thing I hate about atheist is knowing/believing that a Mormon Temple marriage won't keep my wife of 43 years and me alive and together. My opinion, desires, and beliefs are irrelevant if they don't comport with reality.

[@suzannaturner299]

@@quacks2much l am a Christian but my son is an atheist also. It's a difficult topic for us to discuss even though l try not to throw my Christianity in his face but it is hard because my faith is part of who l am. I have had to deconstruct some of my own black and white thinking growing up in a strict Christian home which is why l can identify with the LDS church. We also have extended family who are LDS.

[@quacks2much]

@@suzannaturner299 I’m pretty lucky. My Mormon family members and I get along, even though I’m an atheist. That is not true of many Mormons, especially when it comes to certain issues, like a child who comes out gay. If I had lived my Mormon religion (Mormon-Mormon only marriage), I wouldn’t have been married 43 years so far. A Mormon might say, “Mormons are allowed to marry non-Mormons.” That is true, but misleading. If one spouse is not a Mormon, neither spouse can get to the highest “rung” of the celestial kingdom, thus their family cannot be “together forever.” The same used to be true for black/non-black marriages. Because blacks couldn’t go to the temple (until the change in 1978), neither spouse could reach “full salvation.”

[@StephRivera]

I loved seeing you in the documentary!

[@examiningreligiousclaims9883]

Excellent point by Sandra. Why didn't God have Joseph translate the "spiritual" pages first? What good would those 116 pages have even been, had they never been lost?

[@elyseparker5333]

I'm not an ex mormon....this lady is great. She seems to have this kind way about her and a great sense of humor, on top of knowing so much!

[@mangotrader7894]

If she needs help transcribing records/documents for future PDF release, I'd be happy to volunteer my time!

[@r3b3lutions]

Aren't there scanner apps that can turn pages of handwriting into a pdf text? I don't see why one would need to retype it all

[@deebee4622]

I thank God for Sandra Tanner and this podcast

[@jacobopstad5483]

After watching Murder Among the Mormons, I get the feeling that, like Sandra said, he didn't really have any empathy. I get the feeling that he just enjoyed the challenge of deceiving people. Maybe it was something of a hobby for him that became lucrative and then the money talked.

[@tamaralambert2853]

Exactly. “The challenge of deceiving people.” That’s what he got out of it, to me.

[@pamelaq6185]

@@tamaralambert2853 same as JS?

[@bigskypioneer1898]

I wonder how many LDS have ever seen the last 10 minutes of _Usual Suspects?_ The premise of the entire movie is revealed in such a way to prove one person can weave a tale by just observing their surroundings. Charles Dickens was born around the same time as Joseph Smith - he left school at the age of 12 and his parents weren't teachers (like Joseph's were) and he wrote _Pickwick Papers_ before he turned 24. The argument that JS simply _couldn't_ have written BOM is one that really drives me nuts and one of the worst arguments I've ever heard.

[@quacks2much]

I don't know about non-Mormon atheists, but like me, ex-Mormon atheists I know about, love Sandra Tanner, even though Sandra is a Christian. In the late 90s, Sandra was instrumental in helping me become an ex-Mormon Christian. Her stories of Hofmann helped me realize Mormonism is based on "shadow" and not "reality." It took me about 6 months to become ex-Mormon. After all, I had to read D. Michael Quinn's three huge books, Sandra and Jerald's info, etc. over about a year's time. Strangely, I was just learning how to use the Internet Netscape browser, and I typed in words I knew, like "Mormon" and "Joseph Smith." I was shocked how much information about Mormonism there was on the Internet, even in the late 90s. I thought it was all lies from the Devil. But my cognitive dissonance made me wonder why so much truthful information about Mormonism was on the Internet but that I once thought were lies by ex-Mormons was actually true. For some reason, I decided to verify the best I could that "false" information on the Internet was "lies from the Devil." Later, I found most of the "lies" were actually true. I just went one step further than my heroes and heroines like Sandra, and used the same type of reasoning that lead me out of Mormonism (I was brainwashed into Mormonism from birth in the mid 1950s). I saw the "crazy stuff" in the Bible, such as talking donkeys, Lot's wife turning to salt, Jesus walking on water, slavery in the Old Testament, a worldwide flood, the genocide of the Amalekites, and so forth. Some of it was "just crazy," but I also became an apatheist, because I didn't care if the God of the Bible is real. I couldn't worship such a being, or "moral monster" as Richard Dawkins calls Jehovah/Jesus.

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

I just found out about a movie called Under the Banner of Heaven regarding a murder that took place among Mormon members. Will this ever be talked about on this site?

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you. Watching from Alaska.

[@benjamingardea4511]

I’d say the Nauvoo Expositor episode is a testament of the leaders’ willingness to hide information exposing the truth about the inner workings of the church. That’s compounded by the fact that no “faithful” source ever tells the story (as far as I know) about it leading to Joseph’s arrest and death at Carthage. He’s always painted as a martyr. Even though our modern sensibilities say he should not have died for what he did, anything painting JS in a negative light must be suppressed. Truman G Madsen for me was THE authority on JS. He mentions the Expositor and Joseph’s earlier legal troubles very briefly. Clearly as an informed, intelligent biographer he would have know the true history.

[@thatmiddle-agedex-mormongu2590]

I remember the ark Hofmann Salamander letter fiasco and the bombings. We talked about it in Seminary. I was actually relieved that they found that Hofmann was a professional forger, but Ipit was at that point at age 17 i started questioning my faith because the prophet Spencer W. Kimball was dumped. Throughout my life as Mormon, I was fed the idea that apostates were drunks, drug abusers, had a bone to pick with the Church, angry and had horns. Then soon after I met Sandra Tanner on Facebook. Shes now my favourite apostate!

[@stepintoflow]

Back in the day, before the internet was big, I used to mail order the information they compiled. They sure are great people.

[@Ciciye12]

Good liars are believed more than truth tellers. Seen it over and over! That is good work.

[@timhansen234]

The truly surprising aspect in retrospect, is that the church didn't have him killed very early on!!??

[@benjamingardea4511]

As I recall Turley’s strawman argument was that we can’t expect the prophet to go around fighting crime when the real question is in regards to a prophets discernment to not allow himself and the church be the victims of fraud. Nobody suggested he should go around fighting crime.

[@snugasaglove]

Yeah, Kimball's discernment didnt even work with a magnifying glass! LOL

[@SunShine-og4ux]

I think he ultimately would have had in his possession, (maybe real, maybe forgeries) papers to destroy the church, and ultimately blackmail them for tons and tons of money and major satisfaction.

[@torin93]

Unfortunately the bias against "Amateurs" is a real thing within academia. Yet so much of the foundational research is by amateurs. Also sponsored Chairs within departments have to be suspect too especially when the major donor has a vested interests.

[@5fingerjack]

You should watch the new movie The Dig on Netflix. A trained amateur dissed while finding actual (non-forged!) historical Anglo-Saxon artifacts.

[@cherishmycloset8897]

4:04:55 Thank you Sandra! 🙌🏼🙏🏼

[@jayanderson147]

went and googled the Anthon Transcript, and I gotta say, it looks like the kind of thing middle school kids come up with to write in code to their friends

[@Ciciye12]

Gifted storytellers!

[@Will0wFire]

I'm too cowardly to finally concede I don't believe in God, I will always respect anyone's beliefs - as long as they don't dismiss science at the same time.

[@karencross3815]

When I was in my research phase I found a 240 CE reading of gnostic teachings on the creation story. It had Sophia the creator talking to mankind. It actually said "Adam awake and arise." Then asks him about names and Adam says, " I will call her Eve for she is the mother of all living." I looked for it in my belongings but to no avail. If interested I found it looking up gnostic teachings. There wasn't a doctrine Smith felt shy from borrowing.

[@christie8493]

My mom is Cluster B and a convert and I think the church attracts, creates AND enables them. Edit: I know there’s a lot of stigma around BPD. I’m talking about people who aren’t trying to stop and using the church as a crutch or excuse

[@carlt8188]

When Sandra left Mormonism, she didn't throw the baby out with the bath water. She didn't become a bitter, angry, anti all religion and God, militant atheist who mocks God and religious people unlike John and Carah. Sandra is a Evangelical Christian who loves the Lord and has helped many many Mormons and non Mormons to come to the True Jesus.

[@randjhansen]

What is her website again? I don’t want to have to rewind trying to find where she mentions it.

[@marthashepherd341]

In authenticating all the documents, did anyone consider to doing paper or ink testing, to help determine the age of the paper the text was written on... in authenticating art works, this procedure is well known, pigments, etc., that were used in the 1830s, etc...

[@andreadiamond7115]

Jerald sounds like he was a wonderful man. No surprise since he married lovely Sandra. ❤️❤️

[@Ciciye12]

There a sucker everyday. We even find we have fooled ourselves! 💖

[@gfree4244]

Isn’t it amazing how tbm’s will hate the Tanners and know they are the spawn of Satin and then after the faith crisis Sandra becomes one’s best friend and one whom is admired and respected. Sandra is amazing and a wonderful person.

[@mormonstories]

She’s a legend.

[@gfree4244]

@@mormonstories literally a walking library and a living museum. These interviews with Sandra are precious glimpses into the past; similar to interviews with Grant Palmer. Thank you John for conducting these interviews for posterity. A true treasure.

[@suzannaturner299]

Mark was even more deceitful since modern ways of verifying documents is much more accurate and he could even dupe the experts.

[@Madetha2301]

2:03:10 I think when talking about his motives for leaking his own stuff, you’re forgetting his ego. If someone fakes such important documents, would he not want everyone to know about them? The more people he fools the bigger his own pleasures?

[@ArtisticDazzler]

Good point

[@Ciciye12]

He had a lot of fun with people’s gossip and playing it out. He had a blast. The Brethren are silly, as you know apology doesn’t exist. If you make money out of lies, people don’t question.

[@joanteasdale2991]

That entire situation was a total disgrace I followed it all along and I was amazed I was living in California at the time

[@beboystyle620]

@2:39:25 it sounds like someone snored. Someone fell asleep? Ha! At first, it spooked me cus I thought I was hearing something scary.

[@ArtisticDazzler]

I just had to go back to that timestamp omg 🤣

[@pamelaq6185]

Part 1 ✔... onto Part 2

[@Hallahanify]

Does ken jennings family go back far into the churchs history?

[@Tara.Daktyl]

Yes. I've heard Ken Jennings talk about it on his podcast. He said his great great grandfather was actually in the Carthage jail with Joseph & Hirum.

[@Hallahanify]

@@Tara.Daktyl lol, it seems every other Mormon claims their ancestors was in the Carthage jail with Smith. Not a good flex.

[@Tara.Daktyl]

@@Hallahanify lol good point.

[@davidfw1866temp]

I 💕 Sandra Tanner

[@keile513]

Ok now I’m 2 degrees away from being at the same weddings as Dr. John Dehlin. 😁

[@Ciciye12]

Great work and persistence to uncover Sandra and her husband. Hoffman new who to drag in, he would have known!

[@dawnsnuggerud9523]

As a trauma therapist. I am curious about the sexual abuse Mark experienced when he was young. Did that lead to his belief there was no God? No one has addressed that.

[@snugasaglove]

Hofmann was 14 in 1968. (Arrington came on in 1972.) So, Mark could have been aware of all that Sandra is recounting: the papyri/book of Abraham, JS and the court as well as Brody and Howe, Dialogue and BYU Studies. Obviously, he read whatever he could on JS and church history.