Dearest Sandra, may you live 120 years with love and good health.
@purpleslurple51493 жыл бұрын
My heart is breaking over how many years I was told to essentially revile this delightful woman. Her breadth and depth of knowledge is incredible, and her integrity, understanding, and graciousness are impressive. What a great loss to my own life, for not "meeting" her sooner. Thank you, Sandra, and thank you, John!
@bowrudder8992 жыл бұрын
And Sandra would have wanted you to meet Jerald
@julesmum97812 жыл бұрын
She is indeed so knowledgeable, full of integrity and yet so personable and well spoken. Hearing her talk feels like listening to your next door neighbor. V relatable
@gdog3finally2 жыл бұрын
Sandra Tanner is a beautiful and humble woman. Her life story is amazing and her perseverance is unprecedented. How does a person endure so much trial and remain so pure? She offers so much to our community.
@jameswalberg32653 жыл бұрын
Celebrity alert !!! God bless Sandra Tanner. Part of Mormon/LDS history LOVE these long interviews. I would encourage anyone reading this to listen to ALL of her interviews with John
@peterastill92082 жыл бұрын
@@gomerpyle7721 Dig down deep and search the information and then you can decide on the information..
@joelgoldsmith47472 жыл бұрын
@@peterastill9208 : Unfortunately, many are too far conditioned to go down 'The Rabbit Hole' for true discerning, investigation!! 😞
@peterastill92082 жыл бұрын
@@joelgoldsmith4747 That is so true. There was someone that lived a few streets away. Whatever you say he just laughs and runs away. No discussion at all.
@idadavis9282 жыл бұрын
@@joelgoldsmith4747 krp0 on the l b Nn
@joelgoldsmith47472 жыл бұрын
@@idadavis928 : You alright buddy? I didn't fully understand what you're saying.🤨
@hippiedachshunds16323 жыл бұрын
What a marvelous lady. Thank you, John, for all the interviews with Mrs. Tanner. I look forward to many more in the future!
@caseyjude54723 жыл бұрын
What a great interview! This woman is a legend! Thank you Sandra for being so generous with your time. And thank you too John!
@thecatman4ever3 жыл бұрын
John thank you for your wonderful interview with Sandra Tanner. As I stated before I could listen to the two of you talk about church history for days. She was gracious with her time and I appreciate her being a part of this discussion. I do agree that all the material from the documentary that didn't make it into the original should be archived. It would really be nice if this came out on DVD and all the material that wasn't used including all the interviews were added as bonus material so you could actually see all the material the film makers were going to utilize when putting this documentary together. Thanks again Sandra Tanner & John we love you!!!
@healthhollow72183 жыл бұрын
This is such a great interview! Thank you Sandra & John! So happy to get to hear this! Looking forward to the biography of the Tanners 😃👏👏👏
@tamaralambert28533 жыл бұрын
She's 80?! Wow! Mrs Tanner is a gorgeous and smart 80
@maryannebrown23853 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Chicago, never knew any Mormons, and when this all happened I was a teenager. But I remember being absolutely riveted! The Chicago Tribune had great coverage, and I read that paper cover to cover everyday. I was absolutely mesmerized by this story. I was raised in a very strict, large Roman Catholic household. I am one of 10 children, and it was Catholic schools from K-University. I think in many ways this story fascinated me so much because it reminded me of the Catholic Church.
@824thor Жыл бұрын
I have been bingeing Mormon Stories about 2 weeks I need a minimum of 8 hours a day. I have learned so much about Mormanism. More than that I have learned more about my self, my relationship with my church (Baptist). These episodes feed my soul. Thank you!
@Lorenzo122573 жыл бұрын
Highly Recommended! Sandra Tanner has earned the Lifetime Achievement Award for exposing bogus Mormon truth claims.
@pattykake10763 жыл бұрын
Sandra and Jerald were at ground zero, and they were so honest, and correct with their conclusions re the White Salamander. Shame the LDS church could nor show the same integrity. Love the Tanners..... and thanks John for another great podcast. Keep them coming. 👍🏽
@dianethulin17003 жыл бұрын
I am also struck that Mark Hofmann managed to fool a lot of people internationally but could not get past the Tanners or the local SLC detective; people who would be considered small potatoes on the national scene
@pattykake10763 жыл бұрын
@@dianethulin1700 Yes, Sandra and Jerald were sharp as tacks, and super honest too 👍🏽
@dianethulin17003 жыл бұрын
@@pattykake1076 Agree!!! *I am sorry again for misspelling Jerold's name. My bad! :(
@Sarah_Pratt3 жыл бұрын
She’s a joy!
@ellenc483 жыл бұрын
These interviews with Sandra Tanner are so important. I encourage any truth seeker to listen to all of her interviews carefully.
@dianethulin17003 жыл бұрын
Absolutely John. I quit believing the church cold when this Salamander Letter/ Mark Hofmann situation was exposed. I already had so many problems with the church but felt these were personal moral failings. My family has been members going back to 1830. This has impacted my entire life and relationship with my family. It is very clear to me that it is in fact the church that has moral failings
@ericedwards50343 жыл бұрын
Loved the interview with Mrs. Tanner. I left the LDS church as a teenager and devoured the Tanner's work. I was never one of those people who hated the Church after leaving, just grieved that so many had been and are being deceived, but some of the best people I knew as a young man were Mormons. Hopefully more people come to know the Biblical Christ and that Mrs. Tanner and ULM keep doing this work for many years to come!
@playnicechannel3 жыл бұрын
Beside MSP listening to the many interviews on KZbin with Sandra was key to my understanding of LDS theology. First she is a living descendant of Brigham Young ( this would be like hearing from the descendant of Mathew, Mark Luke or John. Second it was BEYOND obvious that she and Gerald made a thorough unflinching truth search was deeply admirable. Lastly she is willing to talk to ANYONE regardless of where they are in their faith journey and she can go theological punch for punch with orthodox Mormons and warmly comfort those who are trying to figure out “what now” if the cornerstone of their belief has been revealed as sand. She is more than just a gem. Great great interview
@snugasaglove2 жыл бұрын
No. BY is no comparison to the Apostles of the Bible. BY was a murderer (Mountain Meadows), a thief (church money), mentally unstable (blood atonement/Adam-God doctrine and overall a false prophet.
@gfullmer3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John and Sandra for the interview. Love you both.
@jamiesomma25662 жыл бұрын
John, I agree with Sandra’s impression from the first interview years back. But your appreciation and admiration for Sandra and Gerald definitely shine brightly throughout this long interview. Your fondness for her made me smile throughout. Thanks so much for bringing her back!
@donnababi57673 жыл бұрын
Love all her interviews...she is an amazing women...Great interview John...thank you...🙏
@donolbers94462 жыл бұрын
Sandra Tanner is such a nice, humble person. The world would be a better place with more people like her.
@jamesduncan36733 жыл бұрын
You put together that gathering to honor Sandra, and I will do my level best to be there.
@donnababi57673 жыл бұрын
May I personally thank you John for bringing us so many facts about the Church...you have been extremely respectful about all subject matters...I am learning so much...and above all I am listening...I was always the one to raise my hand in Church class...and the class would get so quiet....I found when you begin to question..the Church DOSE NOT like it..sends them into a frenzy...I was a convert...thank you for bringing so many things to the surface..you pick the right people to come on your show...giving all views...and allowing people to go there own way in how they believe..and not judge...keep it going..I am a true fan...🙏
@mormonstories3 жыл бұрын
Yay! ❤️💪🙏
@tamaralambert28533 жыл бұрын
Sandra's Tanner is COOL!! I will go back and watch the other videos with her because she is so interesting😊 And as a Christian viewer of the documentary, I wanted more episodes and explanation. I really liked it
@redcurrantart3 жыл бұрын
Ooh! Part two. That’s why the other episode cut off so abruptly. Love seeming her back on the podcast to talk about all this.
@OnTheHighWatch3 жыл бұрын
I feel safe in her thinking and teaching.
@jillfarr5893 жыл бұрын
Thank you John and Sandra! I love you both!
@nathanmestler4193 жыл бұрын
Always so impressed with Sandra Tanner. So good and thanks John for putting this together.
@Sarah_Pratt3 жыл бұрын
“We print up some more!” God I love her!
@pamelaq61853 жыл бұрын
She's so humble ❤ Love her!
@pjmackall2 жыл бұрын
Whistleblowers are heroes and heroines! Thank you, Sandra, for all of your amazing work.
@dianethulin17003 жыл бұрын
Sandra Tanner you are the bomb! (in a good way)- You have your own printing press?! Why didn't I know that? I live in San Francisco and Lawrence Ferlinghetti just died a short time ago. I loved that City Lights had their own printing press and even your names both mention Light. Yes thank you for enlightening us! The power of the press!
@marilynnoosterhof18533 жыл бұрын
Bless you, Sandra... I'm looking forward to seeing you too
@lindalloyd57493 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the interview. I was a teenager at the time, so these events didn't make an impression on me. I watched the documentary, but this two part interview added so much to the story.
@rubendhoyos98863 жыл бұрын
40:30 yes I agree, they do need to save these interviews for archival purposes.
@redcurrantart3 жыл бұрын
Sandra should get her stuff on Audio! Hell I’m listening to Rough Stone Rolling right now and it’s 25 hours. I ‘read’ while I work. I’d love to listen to her books!
@cosudu3002 Жыл бұрын
This was such an enjoyable interview! Thank you, John and Sandra 😍
@Froxymusicchannel3 жыл бұрын
Sandra you downplay yourself a lot and you really should know (and take to heart) what the Tanners mean in our community! Just AWESOME the amount of work you’ve done.
@deskjockie49483 жыл бұрын
As a former faithful Mormon of over 40 years, I too felt betrayed after learning the past history and hearing the current misrepresentations from the church's leaders. However, I don't think it will ever completely disappear. Just look at the Catholic church, with its wealth and pageantry, and you see a clear picture of what can happen with a powerful religion. Humans seem to need a religious structure, and if you look only at the surface of the Mormon church, it gives the appearance of clean living, family focus, and service orientation, which will continue to attract those who only want a social group of which to be a part. It really doesn't matter to me; I now see all religions as human animal constructs. Even though we still have children who are among the "faithful", we have a civil relationship with them, though we did lose many so-called 'friends' after we left. The Mormon church will always be a part of our lives, though not an active part. It feels like a huge load has been lifted from our backs, and we are so much happier and at peace now than when we were allowing the Mormon church to dictate every aspect of our lives. There truly IS life after Mormonism!
@lisaadams84173 жыл бұрын
Great interview. I love Sandra Tanner. Does anyone know how many have left the church since 2010?
@tlchrischristensen96653 жыл бұрын
The story about the police officer that lost his faith from interviewing the GA's was in the book "The Mormon Murders"
@jamiesomma25662 жыл бұрын
On the point about access to full interviews, Frontline makes all of theirs available for free on KZbin. I agree, these are historically very valuable.
@hildabingen81003 жыл бұрын
Interesting to learn that LDS Church "Historians" are lawyers, not professional historians. After the interview, I checked the bios of the current chief church historian, and the ones in the recent past. Sure thing, they are lawyers. I also checked to see if, before law school, they had gotten a bachelor's degree in History. No, not really. Their mission as church "historians" is not to perform serious historical research, but to defend the legal interests of LDS Inc. Come to think of it, this corporation has a long tradition of usurping titles. (Beginning with "prophets, seers and revelators"...)
@strengthisthesolution22943 жыл бұрын
To be fair theres probably not alot of money in the feild of "Mormon History"So it doesn't make a great career path.
@dianethulin17003 жыл бұрын
@@strengthisthesolution2294 It would be their eternal career path
@strengthisthesolution22943 жыл бұрын
@@dianethulin1700 ha
@hildabingen81003 жыл бұрын
@@strengthisthesolution2294 Sure, but if they really want to have a "Church Historian", they could at least hire an actual historian. (Even a historian that has not dedicated his/her whole career and studies to Mormon history. But a historian nonetheless...) Even at BYU, they have degrees in History. It shouldn't be too hard to find a "worthy" LDS with background in History to be the chief Church Historian. (If their goal/focus was really history...)
@strengthisthesolution22943 жыл бұрын
@@hildabingen8100 I agree I do wish that the church would take a little bit more of an offensive stance with the polygamy in blacks and the priesthood and stuff like that, but I personally think it's because either they don't know or they do know but it's not something that the average person is spiritually prepared enough to understand so they don't go in the great depths about it
@devilamaycare82943 жыл бұрын
I've heard the Church's yearly increase is at or near zero. Perhaps we are starting to get to a tipping point? Perhaps the scandals that happen here on out will accelerate the exodus.
@tugger3 жыл бұрын
all organized religions are on the decline, that's why missions are such a big thing.
@judipepper60663 жыл бұрын
The Hoffman stuff was one of the earliest items I put on my shelf.
@Avia20233 жыл бұрын
Sandra Tanner you are a legend in my book. 🤍
@me98843 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sandra! You and your husband did ground breaking work uncovering the lie of Mormonism. I am a never no and I have learned so much from you!!!
@me98843 жыл бұрын
A never Mo!
@SheffieldReunionNC3 жыл бұрын
She amazing lady! Love her...
@Hatchification2 ай бұрын
I just love Sandra. We won’t have her forever and her shoes will not be filled. We owe her a great deal!
@siren31973 жыл бұрын
I was in awe how little Hoffmann's wife knew, or claimed to not know. How could you not have entry into a room in your home.
@tugger3 жыл бұрын
or not be somewhat curious after your husband who has been keeping a secret his entire life tried to open up to you at one point, in pride. All of these wives of serial killers like BTK strike me as resigned to the point of illustrating the patriarchal ideals of small town americana.
@losttribe30013 жыл бұрын
It’s odd, but happens. Check out the Josef Fritzl case.
@2022Coopersmom3 жыл бұрын
In the many true crime stories I’ve followed, it’s not uncommon for the family to accept that there’s an off limit room.
@kessiareis7007 Жыл бұрын
She’s so inspiring!
@dreamsenvoy3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@cindysutherland8554 Жыл бұрын
Smart lady! John asks what scandal could actually bring the church down and she says maybe a big financial scandal. Fast forward to 2023 & the SEC fine! Maybe she's a seer & revelator!!
@snugasaglove3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the church expressly demanded that Jerald's discovery about the salamander letter NOT be mentioned in the doc.
@bonmamartine51783 жыл бұрын
Hey John, could you add the list of books recommended by Sandra in the show notes? I think one of them was by Robert Lindsay which I located on Amazon. I’ll stop by TLM to pick up the Tanners. I have Salamander but have never read it...but I will now! Love the time stamp feature btw, I easily found the answer to my question about Ashworth being the third bomb’s target. Good follow up on your part.
@kristinenelson9902 жыл бұрын
I truly want to be part of honoring Sandra Tanner if you end up organizing a tribute to her!
@carolrousseau36293 жыл бұрын
I'm a transcriber and would love to type up the interviews!
@johns183411 ай бұрын
Here is a question for mormons; Please explain how; after Joseph Smith finally obtained the plates was able to run 3 miles back to home, through the woods, at night, fighting off 3 attackers (2 with guns) who were trying to steal the plates, while carrying (given the size and dimension) about 200 lbs of gold plates?
@slashdash52793 жыл бұрын
These are very interesting podcasts. Now that the curtain has been “pulled back”is there anybody tracking data on how many people have left and or data that tracks new membership? I grew up up non Mormon in Utah and have always taken an interest in watching ex Mormons leave and why.
@playnicechannel3 жыл бұрын
Robert Lindsey also wrote The Falcon and the Snowman. I found out about Hoffman by reading A Gathering of Saints I agree with Sandra
@catwoman070764 ай бұрын
What might rock thechurch would be losing the class action suit by ex-mormons who are demanding decades of tithing back! That would be world shaking!
@atlas56513 жыл бұрын
I'm LITERALLY HAVING A Mormon "FAITH CRISIS"... is there any kind of thrive groups I can join? Online forums? I need to speak to people about things I'm realizing about true church history.
@mormonstories3 жыл бұрын
ExMormon Reddit? Mormon Stories Podcast Community on Facebook?
@j3ojos3 жыл бұрын
If the footage is owned by the BBC, it will be archived in London, and will become freely available some day under the UK’s freedom of information laws.
@cindyg86383 жыл бұрын
Omg Sandra is the absolute cutest!
@KDSima3 жыл бұрын
I would love to have known what the gossip was behind the scenes. But it was fascinating as it was.
@Mindy143 жыл бұрын
Wow 80. I wold have placed her in her 60s this work has kept her young!
@siren31973 жыл бұрын
I think the documentary made the Mormon church look shady to those outside the church, and I also believe what Sandra said...from a true believing Mormon they justified what the church did as necessary...
@toyfruit80658 ай бұрын
I wonder if the discrepancy in Sandra's memory of the Hoffman issue being the biggest apostasy vs John's impression of it being around 2013/2015 is that her impression is based more on foot traffic and letter writing to the book shop while John's is through the lense of the Internet. Surely the way people were navigating their faith crises in a public realm had just changed a lot in the decades between those events.
@tugger3 жыл бұрын
as someone familiar with christian history like the early to medieval catholic church, this feels like mormonism is acquainting itself with the reality of religious scripture. /it all has to be forgery/.
@hildabingen81003 жыл бұрын
Exactly... I love Sandra, and her efforts to expose Mormon scripture forgeries. I would love her even more if she used the same skills to delve into Christian scripture forgeries. But oh well, that would be CONDITIONAL love. (The kind of love that "President" Nelson attributes to God.) We can do better than that. 🤣🤣🤣
@feurigerStern3 жыл бұрын
@@hildabingen8100 Say what? God has conditional love?
@hildabingen81003 жыл бұрын
@@feurigerStern According to "president"/"prophet" Nelson, God's love is conditional. He has said it multiple times.
@shae4thirty3 жыл бұрын
How can I meet her, John?
@quacks2much3 жыл бұрын
I already knew about the Tanners and Hofmann and read some of the books about Hofmann, so I was a little disappointed in the documentary. On the other hand, it might help prevent some from getting sucked into Mormonism. (I doubt if very many TBMs will doubt the church because of the documentary.) Putting myself in the shoes of someone knowing nothing about Hofmann or the Mormons, I see the documentary as just an interesting documentary. As an ex-Mormon knowing how corrupt Mormonism is, I wanted information to get out about how Mormon leaders are more fallible than they claim. "Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me," may be the best relatively simple book on cognitive dissonance. As I was coming out of Mormonism, the book helped me say to myself when the straw broke, "I might as well admit it, the (Mormon) church is not true." For the same reason, the book also eventually helped me say to myself, "I am officially a fool, I'm an atheist, oh my God (who doesn't likely exist)." Mormons usually deny it, but the church does imply that Mormon prophets are infallible. When the prophets get caught being infallible, then they come up with the excuses like, "he is still a prophet, but he was just talking as a man, not as a prophet."
@Ex-LDS3 жыл бұрын
Dear Sandra, Thanks for your help years ago! You send me a mail after the question I had for you: “Dear Sandra, Would you be so kind to mail me the letter, which you have send to the lds church, with the request to see the 1832 first vision account. When I have the date I can show proof here in my ward that it was you who triggerd the “founding” of the 1832 account by the church. Thanks a lot. Sincerly, Roland Vreeken” “ I can send you photo copies of the letters, but neither mine nor Joseph Fielding Smith's are on letter head, just typed letters. When I asked my bishop to give me a copy of JFS letter, after the bishop read it to me in his office, all he would do was later give me a copy, not the original. So a Mormon could easily dismiss them. However, we quote from the letter in our 1963 mimeographed book, 'Mormonism', where we wrote a whole chapter on the problems of the first vision. That book is in various libraries here in Utah so there is no question as to the date. Sandra Tanner” 2/12/2018 I have now learned so much more about that horrible Mormon church. Thank you so much for your help! Great talk John!!
@annelewis6236 Жыл бұрын
Sandra Tanner is a gutsy lady. Quite likeable in her demeanor.
@rubendhoyos98863 жыл бұрын
1:27:55 yes I do feel sorry for church employees. I know of several people who work at BYU or at the church headquarters building who are closeted gay members but can’t leave due to the good paying salaries and pensions. It is definitely spiritual blackmail.
@Willow_Sky Жыл бұрын
42:09 Never Mo here! Honestly, of all the people to allow own someone's footage, PBS is who you want. They're very good about archiving interviews and various footage since their whole thing is education. Maybe some day we'll get a comprehensive Ken Burns series on the church!
@strengthisthesolution22943 жыл бұрын
Just a question, I'm an active member and would like to know,when you left the church how many of you became agnostic or atheist and how many moved to other christian denominations?
@mindeloman3 жыл бұрын
This is an often posed question on exmo reddit. Actually it is done in a poll, usually. The percentage is pretty high. Around 85% of exmos ascribe as agnostic/atheist. The reason: the same mental conditioning it takes to unwind Mormonism can be used to unwind any and all religions/faiths. So people who leave the church typically cannot allow themselves to be duped again. I guess you could say personal mental integrity will not allow oneself to be taken advantage of again or exist in some level of cognitive dissonance. It would be like coming to terms with the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy not being real but still believing in Santa Claus. Once you figure out the truth on one, the rest tumble down like a stack of dominos. Curiously, i read a stat a few years back having to do with converts to the church from a prior faith/birth religion. 80-ish% of those who leave mornonism will go back to their birth religion.
@strengthisthesolution22943 жыл бұрын
@@mindeloman Interesting,that's pretty consistent with my personal experience,I've had the talk with more than a few people that I think Mormonism is the closest to what I view as the original Gospel that Christ taught,so if that's not true then I'm defineltey not going to some other church with even more unanswered questions and less similarities to Biblical Christianity .What where some of the main contributors to you leaving if you dont mind me asking?
@andreadiamond71153 жыл бұрын
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@annelewis6236 Жыл бұрын
How is it legal to deny someone their earned retirement when employed by BYU as a educator or administrative staff when they leave the LDS faith ?
@carolrousseau36293 жыл бұрын
I did not like the end of showing his face through the years in prison. Would have been better to show the victims faces.
@benjamingardea45113 жыл бұрын
I think we would all like a balanced picture of the truth from the media (ahem Fox News and CNN cough, cough). I think the question for me is not how balanced it was but how deep it went. I’d love to see the edited content. If the filmmakers are indeed faithful members, applause for being willing to tackle it at all.
@Ex-LDS3 жыл бұрын
John, I never ever read of heard anything about D&C 132: 41. There is something there that is very striking, and I think quite damaging to the LDS church. “41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adyltery and shall be destroyed.” It says there, in black and white, that if a woman does have received the holy anointing , she can enter into a polyandrous relationship. Does everyone not see that ?! I hope to hear you once talking about that.
@shae4thirty3 жыл бұрын
5million member if they're honest. They do have to make sure well I can't say that part here. Job.
@teresatietjen89102 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful and loving woman you are. I wish I knew you on a personal level.
@lauraoverstreet99873 жыл бұрын
I remembere my tbm aunt stated that the bombs where satan's plan to stop the church! 🤣
@kessiareis7007 Жыл бұрын
She’s 80!?!!
@bryanshelburn4293 жыл бұрын
How can I be a part of what your doing... I'm illerate but the truth will always come out! I struggle with vengeance but I want to let the more moans . It's a lie and each will stand alone and not worthy of the grace of God. Saint they are not they sin different than I.. Stop lieing more and more moans of in perfection. God help there cult.💪☝️🙌🙏
@mosessupposes25712 жыл бұрын
Guess I will have to find the original story… sounds fascinating. Never heard of this bombing but I’m interested in domestic terrorism. Thanks!