Mark Lane & Wesley Liebeler debating at UCLA 1/25/1967

[@mydozer]

Thank you Mark Lane for your tremendous service to the American people.

[@marksesl]

Why thank a manifest liar who was just trying to sell his book.

[@mydozer]

@@marksesl What did Mr. Lane lie about?

[@marksesl]

@@mydozer He distorted every material fact he could get his hands on. His own interviewee, Charles Brehm, called Lane an unmitigated liar for misrepresenting his statements concerning the direction of the shots and his seeing something fly back towards him; Lane insisted it was a skull fragment, though Bhehm never said that. Even John Connally called Lane "evil," though was nearly killed himself in the shooting. Like all blood sucking conspiracists, Lane focused on all the discrepancy evidence to cast doubt and sell books. He gave an incomplete account of what was reported to him by Lee Bowers which was later found in Lane's own notes, where Bowers stated categorically that no one was shooting from behind the fence. He quoted Dr. Shaw's statement given on Nov. 22 that the bullet was still lodged in the governor's thigh (to dispute the authenticity of CE 399) while knowing full well that the official medical report concerning Connally was that no bullet was found. Shaw had given his statement before the thigh wound had been examined just assuming the bullet was there since it wasn't found elsewhere.

[@mydozer]

@@marksesl Did Oswald act alone?

[@johnnylightning203]

@@marksesl LMFAO!!

[@tylernixonesq]

Mark Lane is an American hero, a man of great courage, insight and perseverance with an acute sense for what real justice means, and is.

[@aggieg15]

@Std Disclaimer found the CIA stooge

[@rawbacon]

Mark Lane was a conman pure and simple, I've talked to him and it was obvious he didn't believe there was a conspiracy but sure loved selling books to the gullible.

[@aaronz7056]

Your hero had plenty of blood on his hands in 1978 and was soundly condemned by the HSCA.

[@simonjames1604]

@@aaronz7056 the other guy appeared at the HSCA where his various memos attacking the warren report and its selective conclusions became part of the record , lane would have made hay all day long if he had access to those.

[@aaronz7056]

@@simonjames1604 Yes, of course he would have...

[@dundeedolphin]

When the evidence supports your case, you argue the evidence. When the evidence defies your case, you attack your opponent.

[@gary7vn]

So you say.

[@dundeedolphin]

@@gary7vn Yes. I said it. Not sure what your point is tho. 😂

[@gary7vn]

;)

[@louf7178]

_The lights in the sky are a UFO (aliens)_ Not that I don't believe it's possible, but it may not be true even if everyone believes so (e.g. god).

[@dundeedolphin]

@@louf7178 Did you mean "matter" not "better"?

[@bringbackcommonsense528]

It is a pity it is only an audio version i would have loved to have seen the video to it

[@MrTee-hw7mp]

The media unanimously back the establishment position. History certainly does rhyme.

[@mcn00xyz]

Indeed. Here, the slanderous CBS Evening [Fake] News reported Lane's death as being that of a "conspiracy theorist": kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGrHgJ2KiJKaq9E

[@theenemyofthearrogant4784]

USA, USSR, no much difference.

[@Rayburn58]

@@theenemyofthearrogant4784 Get an education. If you believe there is no difference between the USA and USSR then you are completely ignorant and uneducated.

[@peterfraser9070]

"The media unanimously back the establishment position. History certainly does rhyme.": This comments lacks any common sense. How could they all be part of a cover-up? LOTS of journalists wanted to find a conspiracy and make a big name for themselves, but to be taken seriously, they need ACTUAL EVIDENCE. The Mark Lanes can just exploit the murder and know they have other CT people on their side.

[@One__Of__One]

the media was, has been, and is today in the pocket of the government.

[@rocketshipsandrobotsinterg2184]

47:00 in the angry man ignores the 58 witnesses that said shots came from the fence by the railroad area near the bridge . witnesses said they heard shots from the knoll but were told later that the shots came from a window 400 feet in the other direction . Ridicule , insults , threats , misinformation , lies , along with censorship , and ignoring their testimony , and even murder were used to change testimony in cases . But most witnesses were not changing testimony of what they saw and heard of shots coming from the knoll so their testimony was deleted , ignored , omitted , left out , ridiculed , etc. to create a statement for the warren commision to base conclusions on . Statements created by the criminal fbi coverup of the murder they helped commit .

[@simonjames1604]

to me the eye witness accounts that are the most difficult to ignore are those of those on the scene who had military experience or the actual dallas police . if you do a poll of what the police thought or their actions after the shooting you will find a lot of those in the escort do NOT support the official story and several original did not support the official findings and only came to this view after the warren report was issued,

[@louf7178]

Well, then there's god.

[@aaronz7056]

Paranoid rubbish.

[@peterfraser9070]

"ignores the 58 witnesses that said shots came from the fence by the railroad area near the bridge .": That's Mark Lane's version of what the WC did, it's not reality.

[@peterfraser9070]

"witnesses said they heard shots from the knoll": Does this look like front or back? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@joesawyer3642]

MR Lane is the man, we need more of him...

[@marksesl]

He is the last thing we need more of. We have too many liars and charlatans as it is.

[@marksesl]

Lane gives me a headache. He's such a shyster. All the deputies rushed to the grassy knoll because they were following where others went. The deputies were all stationed on Main Street around the corner. None could have known where the shots came from. Roger Craig was one of them and said straight out he had no idea where the shots came from. The grassy knoll area was next to where Kennedy was shot, so naturally, that's where most everyone would go.

[@joesawyer3642]

Mr Lane nailed every lie in the Warren commission, 85% agree that it's a joke. For those who are blind to the Government cover up, just keep drinking the Kool aide.

[@marksesl]

@@joesawyer3642 Actually Liebeler nailed Lane's ass to the wall. Each and every misrepresentation of Lane was exposed.

[@joesawyer3642]

@Teacher Mark you think? I didn't see it that way, keep drinking the kool-aid

[@fishhookism]

Can you imagine a college allowing a debate like this now?

[@budbundy4014]

It’s unbelievable to listen to this today where no independent thought it allowed on college campuses

[@insertnamehere313]

Yeh social media and the soft society would put an end to it.

[@Dr.Pepper001]

Debate subjects today include (1) Which insect has the biggest penis -- the household fly or the Praying Mantis? and (2) Why isn't the LGBT-Q community called the Q-BTLG?

[@d.rabbitwhite]

Yes. I can.

[@budbundy4014]

@@d.rabbitwhite where? Because conservative ideology is hardly allowed in todays colleges filled with leftist professors. Very little freedom of speech allowed today. I guess you can imagine it but it would all be in your imagination

[@jayman9463]

I'd hate to be on the payroll and have to go and support the commission in debates. I'd feel like an idiot

[@swankybutters8371]

Yeah... Roscoe White "The West Texas Connection" Look it up on youtube... VERY interesting.

[@nealtauss1715]

@jayman.... or DUST....

[@peterfraser9070]

"I'd hate to be on the payroll and have to go and support the commission": Yes, after all, how could one hope to use logic and evidence against a crowd so in love with Mark Lane? Does this like it came from the front or back? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@marksesl]

That's because you ARE an idiot.

[@aaronz7056]

@@swankybutters8371 No it's not. It's more paranoid conspiracy crap.

[@macknanimous8236]

He and Jim garrison are heroes and national treasures

[@marksesl]

Both crackpots, you mean.

[@HuelSvolos-ju7br]

He and Garrison are both grifters

[@432b86ed]

"echo chambers" can not echo smoke and the smell of gunpowder. Liebeler ignores this fact and stays the course - digging himself deeper into a hole, big enough for the entire WC.

[@randyharris3175]

Zach somebody smells gunpowder but how many people didnt smell gunpowder maybe he smelled his own fart lol Point is that means absolutely nothing Just like the puff of smoked even if the gun did admit a puff of smoke it would not linger to the top of the trees.Common sense tells us this .Lane doesnt use common sense.

[@randyharris3175]

That guy did say Lane is a liar

[@ghostdance56]

@@randyharris3175 - Not somebody, an FBI agent, two secret service agents, and at least one gentlemen on the railroad overpass said they smelled gunsmoke. A motorcycle cop BEHIND and to the left of the limousine was sprayed by blood and brain matter. Another motorcycle cop is caught on FILM dropping his bike on the grass and running up the hill weapon drawn. You yourself have zero common sense. And if eyewitness testimony means 'nothing' according to you, I think we know where the fart is coming from.

[@randyharris3175]

@@ghostdance56 okay so they said they saw smoke ir smelled gunpowder.But what does that prove absolutely nothing.Does that prove somebody was firing on the grassy knoll ofcourse not.You have to remember the WC and the FBI did very extensive tests talked to all the witnesses and made a conclusion based on those inquires.They determined no shots fired from the grassy knoll.Three shots fired from a position from the rear and elevated 2 shots hit Kennedy one shot hit Connally case closed.

[@randyharris3175]

Lane said did the commission ever ask to see the autopsy photos no.Liebeler just say they did want to see the autopsy photos Spector pushed very hard but got veto by Warren.Lane ought to know that if he had read the 26 volumes so he either playing dumb leaving out the parts he dont like or lying.

[@sirbenjamin8315]

Liebeler is so vehement and screamy. "The lady doth protest Too much, methinks."

[@rawbacon]

Methinks you're a conspiracy pussy that can't deal with reality.

[@adrianmartin5780]

@@rawbacon Your bacon is burnt bro.

[@adrianmartin5780]

Leibeler is an idiot.He tried real hard here to play the shell game with us,"gimme shelter on that,please"

[@rjcurl]

If you wanted to make LHO believable as the assassin then why didn't they give him the very best sniper rifle???? Also why didn't they doctor his marine record to say that he was an excellent shot!!!! A conspiracy only works if nobody talks about it and it's kept secret, 2000 books have been written about the assassination. If a conspiracy existed someone would've talked about already you cannot keep something secret for so long

[@theenemyofthearrogant4784]

richard curl have the freemasons secrets ever been leaked?

[@LeveretteJamesClifford1955]

J Edgar should have known that the gunpowder, rather than the rifle, makes the smoke. Not all ammunition uses gunpowder that makes smoke. There is smokeless powder. In WW2, Americans used ammo that smoked while the Germans used smokeless powder. And I am confused. Liebeler says that the shells from Oswald's revolver were found around Officer Tippet's car. Revolvers do not eject shells like a semiautomatic pistol does. Based on that evidence "alone" if Oswald was carrying a pistol at the time of the arrest and that pistol was a revolver, it is unlikely that he killed the officer unless he stopped in the street, next to a policeman whom he shot to death, to take the shells out if the revolving cylinder and then reload. When Mr. Liebeler speaks, remember that he is defending the Warren Commission of which he was involved with, the findings of which the Congressional House committee on assassination decided that the report was deeply flawed.

[@timzyrkowski9461]

Oswald was carrying a revolver. He “allegedly” dumped the shells at the scene but seemingly didn’t dump the two remaining live rounds. He also “dropped his wallet” at the scene. And then was arrested with another one.

[@tommerphy1286]

I owned a smith .38. 1 3/4 in. barl. It' Held 5 rounds .in 1971 .there is a zero. % chance you could not have powder residue up to your wrist after 5or6 rounds. And if you ejected the hulls on you if palm they would stick to it, leaving flesh on the brass and burns on the palm. They don't call it hot lead for nothing. The sidearm In the photo sits to high out of the holster for a snub-nosed Smiths light frame

[@peterfraser9070]

"Revolvers do not eject shells like a semiautomatic pistol does. Based on that evidence "alone" ": The witnesses said HE ejected the shells when reloading. See how not knowing the original witness testimony leads you astray?

[@peterfraser9070]

"the Congressional House committee on assassination decided that the report was deeply flawed.": Stick to the facts, the HSCA upheld the findings of the Warren Commission, that it was flawed in some ways, i.e. they didn't know which shot missed and a few other things. Basically, at the last minute, they concluded there was probably a conspiracy based SOLELY on so-called and sub sequentially debunked 'dicta-belt recording'.

[@tommerphy1286]

@@peterfraser9070 if memory serves me, it was a lady that said that. But it was said that also found were parabellem casings

[@432b86ed]

Shouldn't it have been a little more important for the students to be able to skip their "1 oclock class" and remain at the debate?

[@budbundy4014]

No shit. Unbelievable

[@432b86ed]

@@budbundy4014 It's about as sad as the folks who say they loved him but when asked, say that they aren't certain who murdered him but think that it's old history and best to move on. As if it wouldn't matter to John Kennedy that we hadn't gotten to the truth.

[@JDAbelRN]

Different days and Different times. Some professors probably took roll, believe it or not, to make sure their classes were attended and were important to their students. Perfectly plausible that the students wanted to go to the classes and received great value from the classes. Exams, maybe? A million reasons why, students did not get their education from a computer and emails. One more fact: very few students were on student loans, Pell Grants, maybe a few scholarships available. UCLA is a very expensive college to attend, and I'm guessing they wanted to get every possible benefit from attending classes when the tuition and room and board were paid by the student and or their parents.

[@phillipstroll7385]

@@432b86ed this case isn't about Kennedy. It could have been anyone. It's about the government lying. For whatever reason.

[@432b86ed]

@@phillipstroll7385 Ok, but right here and now, it is about John F Kennedy. The ramifications are self evident, are they not?

[@delbertz.osborne9793]

When Jacqueline Kennedy said when she saw her husband JFK that's not my husband.

[@deanchappell1314]

She was referring to the body that was autopsied at Bathesda, which was officer Tippets, chosen to help protect the President. His fellow officers called Tippets, JFK. He resembled JFK and they could doctor his body to match the wounds to support shots from the sixth floor.

[@louf7178]

Indignation

[@peterfraser9070]

"She was referring to the body that was autopsied at Bathesda, which was officer Tippets, " Hide your head in shame, you piece of sh%t

[@piezoification]

The more evidence is revealed the more Mr. Lane's suppositions grow into probability. ( also. Common sense would tell you that if all audio perceptions are unreliable due to echo chamber effects those you rely on are just as suspect.)

[@ronniebishop2496]

That’s not the most important evidence, because it can be manipulated to many ways? In a need to know Operation no one person knows part that everyone is going play. It’s the best way to handle a conspiracy.

[@aaronz7056]

@@ronniebishop2496 For this to have unfolded the way conspiracy theorists insist happened, this "conspiracy" would have to have approached scores and scores of police (chief, captain, every officer searching the crime scenes, ballistics , forensics, fingerprint experts, arresting, interrogating, detaining officers, etc.), FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, witnesses, doctors, x-ray technicians, staffs at embassies in other countries, family and friends of victims and suspects alike, reporters, journalists, news anchors, network honchos, the Chief Justice, whole commissions (lawyers, counsels, senators, congressmen), every last one of them obeying illegal orders to commit crimes and perjure themselves by the dozens.

[@ronniebishop2496]

@@aaronz7056 No not really, everyone knows it’s a conspiracy. Johnson simply told them they had to go along with the FBI evidence because if they don’t the American people will think Russia or someone did it and start WW3, I even heard him tell Richard Russell this very thing on the phone and Hoover. CBS and Life magazine were already players in operation Mockingbird. You have no depth.

[@aaronz7056]

@@ronniebishop2496 "No, not really..." LOL Um, yes, really! Your paranoia is hilarious and what the heck does "You have no depth" even mean?

[@ronniebishop2496]

@@aaronz7056 Paranoia Lol. Paranoia? About what? I stopped worrying about this military industrial complex right after I got to Vietnam, they had the media, Operation Mockingbird, they had enough police in Texas. They had the president and the FBI director and the CIA director and ex CIA director, what else do they need, but they didn’t count on the baby boomers, computers and Vietnam vets seeing through the entire big event. Plus there were plenty of top journalists and investigators to expose them all. And they have, everyone knows the Warren committee was a dog and pony show, Johnson told Richard Russell all you’re going to do is just rubber stamp what the FBI gives you, and they did. Only people that are really scared like you don’t want to see the truth, see reality scares you.

[@chriscollins8747]

She’ll casings at the Tippet scene? From a REVOLVER?!?

[@poiuytre11111]

yes thats what went through my heat too just like the italien mauser

[@aaronz7056]

Yes. Oswald was seen ejecting the casings manually as he walked away after shooting Tippit.

[@aaronz7056]

@@poiuytre11111 There was no Mauser. Deputy Weitzman freely owned up to his goof in misidentifying the rifle after only a cursory look at it. No other officer ever said anything about seeing a Mauser (and don't bring up Roger Craig; he was a demonstrable serial liar who told the WC he saw no Mauser and only started claiming he did years after telling the L.A. Free Press in 1968 he couldn't ID the gun because he didn't know foreign rifles). Obviously, news film clearly shows the recovered rifle to be a Mannlicher-Carcano, Oswald's rifle, to which all bullets and fragments found were matched. The idea some conspiracy would leave the wrong kind of rifle lying around at the crime scene is laughable.

[@peterfraser9070]

"She’ll casings at the Tippet scene? From a REVOLVER?!?": Well, if you don't know anything about guns, why not ask about what happened instead of that stupid type of question?

[@apointofinterest8574]

Re: the missed first shot: Dealey Plaza witness, Royce G. Skelton, who was standing on top of the railroad overpass above Elm Street, told the Warren Commission that about the same time the limousine straightened up-got around the corner-he heard a shot and saw something hit near the left front of the president’s car, and he could see the smoke coming up off the cement. Since the sniper’s nest is on a straight line with a traffic signal, the bullet must have been fragmented against the mast arm of the signal light. It was the copper jacket, separated from the lead core by the signal arm, that struck the pavement on Elm. The lead core remained on a straight line in its flight and struck the Main Street curb near Tague over five hundred feet away, sending a chip of concrete into Tague’s cheek. The piece of the curbing containing the mark was removed by the FBI on August 5, 1964, and examined in the FBI laboratory in Washington, D.C. Small foreign metal smears were found adhering to the curbing section within the area of the mark. These metal smears were spectrographically determined to be essentially lead [the core of all bullets] with a trace of antimony.

[@joshcantrell8397]

You can still see the chip in the curb to this day

[@apointofinterest8574]

@@joshcantrell8397 A chip off the old curb, eh?

[@dwtbrown]

The loss of Mark Lane was tremendous. We have learned so much since this debate, and even since Mr. Lane became less active. What a force for truth he would be if we still had him with us to help sort through the newer evidence.

[@aaronz7056]

He was a demonstrable liar, a grifter and had blood on his hands at Jonestown, though he did an admirable job of saving his own hide.

[@marksesl]

David Brown, you are a truly gullible person, and Lane was a monumental shyster.

[@brandonman1315]

@@aaronz7056 No, he wasn’t. He was honest and tried to get to the truth. You’re a brainwashed moron.

[@marksesl]

I guess being dead would qualify as being less active.

[@markwilliams974]

When someone impugns the character of their debate opponent, they’ve lost the argument. Some of the people who have commented on this debate have done just that.

[@peterfraser9070]

"When someone impugns the character of their debate opponent, they’ve lost the argument": Truth still matters, though, don't forget. Notice anything in this video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@kurtpeterson315]

when a debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the loser.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@kurtpeterson315 Yes, and if you were able to actually listen the tiniest bit objectively, you'd know that Liebler explained himself very well and Lane had no points to make; he just pulled a lot of lawyer tricks and made smug little jokes.

[@davidkettelle1581]

Mark Williams, very much agree with you. People today don’t see that or get that, tho’. They will believe those paid shills’ misinformation attacks on their debate opponent because they they are weak-minded, and have no understanding that the attacker has no more argument and is only left with attacking their opponent.

[@lr8607]

Liebeler: Kennedy's back vs. neck = "semantics." That's nearly as absurd as Liebeler's invention of the "Italian Mauser."

[@budbundy4014]

Great point sir. A Italian Mauser what a joke

[@peterfraser9070]

"Liebeler: Kennedy's back vs. neck = "semantics." That's nearly as absurd as Liebeler's invention of the "Italian Mauser." Well, it makes sense when you have upper-back / base of the neck; it was higher than the exit. "Italian Mauser" is simply a mis-speak, but Lane's invention of the Magic Bullet was deliberate, and it makes fools out of you CT people who believe it over the "Single Bullet Conclusion."

[@peterfraser9070]

@@budbundy4014 Liebeler: Kennedy's back vs. neck = "semantics." That's nearly as absurd as Liebeler's invention of the "Italian Mauser." Well, it makes sense when you have upper-back / base of the neck; it was higher than the exit. "Italian Mauser" is simply a mis-speak, but Lane's invention of the Magic Bullet was deliberate, and it makes fools out of you CT people who believe it over the "Single Bullet Conclusion."

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@peterfraser9070 The "magic bullet" is impossible regardless of what you call it and was invented by Arlen Specter, a political hack with zero forensic training or Knowledge. if you can believe in magic bullets you really can believe anything...and i mean anything. Why don't you go to a Trump rally and cry that he really won the election, that is the level of absurdity that lone nutters were and are at.

[@lr8607]

@@peterfraser9070 Why are you posting the same thing twice, particularly when it's so silly?

[@LadyLibertyBella]

Regardless which side you take or what you believe it’s great to be able to hear debates like this. It’s important we as a society are willing to be respectful and allow differing perspectives to be shared and discussed. Hopefully we can regain this and allow free and open debate and in a respectful manner.

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

It's a coup. There will be no more debate and you know that.

[@bettycattk5298]

We don’t have it anymore.

[@LazlosPlane]

All Liebler does is repeat what was found in the WC report!! Holy crap!

[@insertnamehere313]

He's wrong about the single bullet theory and got irate when Lane made his point but I find the WC and both gentlemen was wrong about the grains of the bullet because the photos of Connelly's removed fragments one of those fragments is almost a third of the size of the single almost pristine bullet that's not included the large fragments left in Connelly that for some strange reason he didn't want the doctor to remove...why? Because maybe because all the fragments in Connelly and fragments found in the limo would add up to half of the bullets original grains and all those fragments would be highly noticeable if they was missing from the almost pristine bullet and for the grassy knoll the WC said there was no evidence of a shooter except all the witnesses that stated the shot came from there and the WC never used those witnesses and flat out covered it up or and or suppressed them and the WC or Lane never used the actual DPD 3 different pariphine/nitrate tests records on Oswald there was 3 different separate test and Oswald passed them all and all 3 tests was on his face,neck,arms and hands so ask ourselves and experts in that field did Oswald ever fired a shot because expert's and scientist would testify that it's IMPOSSIBLE FOR OSWALD TO HAVE FIRED ANY SHOTS and even more so firing a allegedly total of 7 shots,3 rifle 4 revolver and next to a muzzle loader the 2 firearms that emits the most gunpowder residue,Oswald's pariphine tests are public record but I wonder if Lane had the results of the test because I never heard him say it in any of his debates or presentations and I thought I have seen or heard 90% of his debates or presentations.

[@ericmuhammed2859]

LOL LOL YOU ARE SO RIGHT

[@aaronz7056]

@@insertnamehere313 Rubbish, and all credible evidence points right at Oswald.

[@peterfraser9070]

Well of course he's gonna be consistent with the facts as discovered by the WR. What a stupid comment, you sh%t for brains.

[@peterfraser9070]

"LOL LOL YOU ARE SO RIGHT": The Connollys said they and the front of the limo were covered in you-know-what. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@elainejohnson6391]

If it was a lone nut and he is dead, what reason could there be to keep anything suppressed?

[@marksesl]

That was answered. It was to protect certain people still living from harm.

[@randyharris3175]

The info could still hurt people who are still alive by rumors and flat out lies Gerald Ford told the answer to this

[@randyharris3175]

Security of people living and their families who vicious unproven accusations could be harmful

[@johnnyOh3-503]

Well Oswald was a loner by nature but he certainly wasn't a nut. Some people like Gerald Ford and others feel that assassins have to be "Nuts" whether it's a lone nut or a conspiratorial nut. That's never been the case, from Archduke Ferdinand to Anwar Sadat to JFK it was a political assassin or a political assassination team that took their revenge on their leader. As Mel Brooks said so succinctly in Blazing Saddles; "Gentlemen, we've got to protect our phony baloney jobs" is the reason why info was and is still withheld.

[@randyharris3175]

Safety of innocent people involved

[@andywinger4197]

Mark Lane won the debate. Then again, I'm judging 58 years after the fact and after having read about 10 books, many of which corroborate what he said. "JFK and Unspeakable" by James Douglass, "On the Trail of Assassins" by Jim Garrison, and "Best Evidence" by David Lifton are 3 suggestions.

[@aaronz7056]

Both Lane and Garrison were massive and demonstrable liars and grifters. Lifton's ideas that somebody switched bodies around inside the cramped and crowded confines of Air Force One [instead of just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine] are laughable.

[@andywinger4197]

@@aaronz7056 What amazes me is that there are trolls making comments like yours 59 years after the fact. It's like, the coverup continues to this day. Why? Who benefits?

[@realitychannelwithtomparos8238]

Some of the coverup liars are still alive.

[@aaronz7056]

@@andywinger4197 It's being a "troll" to alert the unwary when they are reading misinformation? I note you oddly didn't address my points.

[@andywinger4197]

@@aaronz7056 I don't see your points anymore for some reason. I probably didn't address them 4 weeks ago because I didn't think they were valid.

[@anastasia2657]

Wish we had more people like him living/ We don't have people like them anymore. There is no curiosity, no search for the truth. Why? Because people today believe there is no one Truth. They believe that there is "my truth", "your truth", but not one truth.

[@joesawyer3642]

wished this was on video

[@garylampkin4288]

I agree, it's always more interesting when you can watch the person's face, body language and gestures.

[@kermitkelly8833]

Lmao @ Lieleber...those films were taken to the lab by secret service members looking over their shoulder and treating everything with kid gloves. I find it unbelievable that the film was "dropped on the floor and stepped on". That makes no sense.

[@niyomphusopha9755]

Ur telling a lie to your country but ur unable to tell a lie to the world mr.liebeler.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Ur telling a lie to your country but ur unable to tell a lie to the world mr.liebeler.": The basic findings of the Warren Report have been confirmed many times since then. Think about it; how could this not be re-investigated if they thought the WR was bogus?! Get your conspiracy-minded head out of your ass!

[@Cosmic_Mike-2024]

Kennedy's oldest son, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., believes his father was killed in a conspiracy. He has also said that his father believed that John F. Kennedy was assassinated in a conspiracy and that the Warren Commission was a "shoddy piece of craftsmanship"

[@wellston2826]

Has anyone else noticed that the moderator of this debate sounds remarkably like Fred Allen, an old time radio commedian? It drove me crazy trying to place it till nearly the end of the debate. Of course it's not Allen as he died in the 1950's, but he sure sounds like him.

[@jackieow]

26:32 The throat bullet didn't bend any clothing fibers, only fibers of the tie. The bending of the fibers Liebeler refers to was due to the nurses cutting off the tie with scissors and not due to bullet action.

[@poiuytre11111]

when ther is one shot first thing you do as a driver ,you step on it as much you can and get the hell out of there dont you

[@donnalandy]

Not if the shots came from the front 😉

[@anastasia2657]

I feel sorry for Liebeler. I would not want him as my lawyer.

[@DiVitoC]

I love listening to Mark Lane take this plug to school!

[@peterfraser9070]

The CT myth of the "Magic Bullet" was invented. It was based on 3 main things: 1) Photos of the shirt and jacket with entry hole lower than on JFK's body - due to clothing being bunched up. 2) Rough drawing included in the WR not showing accurate location of entry wound - and was never intended to; the exact location was written in the WR, but ignored by CT people. 3) The most prominent photo of the single bullet does not show the flattened side of the bullet, so it seems quite undamaged. The photo showing the flattened part, is of course, ignored by CT people.

[@marksesl]

It was Lane who was taken to school.

[@peterfraser9070]

You imply that Mark Lane actually made any points. You didn't notice that he said nothing.

[@marksesl]

@@peterfraser9070 He made no points. Lane was an "unmitigated liar."

[@peterfraser9070]

@@marksesl and a cad

[@barbaras2669]

I couldn't help but hear a prophetic warning in Lane's closing statement. "Your FBI failed you. Your secret service failed you". Richard Clarke's testimony of 2004 to another Commission echoed "Your government failed you" On 9/11 the consequences of that failure still haunts our world .

[@threeballedtomcat9380]

I love how the autopsy testimony is in direct contradiction to the 3 medical professionals that stated that the wound in the rear of Kennedys head was a "wound of exit". They said that the wound that killed Kennedy entered from the front right (at the temple area) and exited from the occipital parietal area in his skull at the rear. The way that JFKs body was hustled out of Dallas (illegally, by the way) and taken to Bethesda Naval Hospital was to assure that the autopsy would state contradictory information. The doctors at Parkland knew the truth. There are a thousand arguments about the Kennedy assassination, some are legit, some are not. There is 1 fact that cannot be erased: The "kill shot" was from the right front of that limo. The Zapruder film shows that categorically, so therefore there had to be at least 2 shooters. I think it was a triangulation of crossfire, personally. At best the Warren Report was a necessary sham that was used to calm America down, at worst it was a cover up to protect the ones guilty of the murder of a sitting President. Whether Oswald was the shooter or "just a patsy" will never be known because some numbnuts let a known mob contact named Jack Ruby kill Oswald. This has gone on and will continue to go on forever about the JFK assassination , so this parlor game will still be played after I am dead and gone, too.

[@garylampkin4288]

Not just a murder, it was a perfectly executed(no pun intended) coup d'état.

[@ronniebishop2496]

Is that Jack Parr monitoring?

[@fobrien1]

i listened to the entire debate , liebeler made every effort he could given the time constraints to attack lane and call him a liar as opposed to just sticking with the facts . lane even in face of liebelers slander did not retaliate , he stuck to the case and facts at hand . i am not for a second saying that lane knew everything and that all that he asserted in those times was 100% accurate . it is important for all listeners of the debate to understand that there have since been other commissions plus the ARRB and much info released since 1963 that lane did not have access to . for that matter liebeler MAY also not have had access to info that contradicted him . for example liebeler in this debate maintained that the commission were denied access to the autopsy photos , he put the onus for that on the kennedy family . firstly , whether liebeler knew or not THE COMMISSION DID HAVE ACCESS to the autopsy photos and in fact several of them viewed them . rankin himself mentioned that he saw an autopsy photo showing a back wound in the warren executive sessions , that was if memory serves january 27 1964 . so the commission had the autopsy photos before that date , yet even in 1967 liebeler sought to contradict that fact . further and in fact arlen specter would later admit he saw atleast one autopsy photo at the time , the photo showing the BACK wound . and warren himself would also later make the admission that at the time he also saw the photos . so the warren commission had the autopsy photos as early as january 1964 contrary to what liebeler said , and contrary to his false assertion that the kennedy family denied access . the kennedy family had no right to the autopsy photos or to a right to deny the authorities access to them , any more than you or i would have such rights should a member of our families die tragically . liebeler tried to make lane out to be a liar in regards helen markham . liebeler cited her testimony in which she was asked if she had spoken to lane and gave such a description of the man she said killed the late officer tippit , which was that he was some what short , a bit heavy and had bushy hair . he used her reply NO I DID NOT or words to the effect . to the best of memory lane did not correct liebler on this , but there were time constraints . liebeler didnt mention the serious issues with markham that the commission and his fellow commission attorney ball had with her or that ball got frustrated with her and called her AN UTTER SCREWBALL . in actual FACT markham had told hugh aynesworth that tragic afternoon that the killer was a short , chunky man with bushy hair , not verbatim now but that is in essence what aynesworth said markham told her . this is what led to mark lane calling her up . lone nut advocates say that lane put words in her mouth , but he did not , they were her words told to aynesworth by HER . in an fbi interview she told i believe it was from memory agent bardwell odum that the killer was about 18 with dark / black hair .liebeler makes no mention of this and instead prefers to label lane a liar . when markham testified she flat out denied ever talking to anyone on the phone about what she saw . she at that point did not know that when lane spoke to her that he recorded the conversation in full . the commission that liebeler was part of played that tape for her , even in face of proof that she had lied she denied her own voice on the tape and continued to insist that she never had that conversation only to then admit that she had . markham then tried to lie her way out of the perjury she committed by inferring that she was duped , that she believed she was talking to dallas police captain will fritz on the phone .atleast two things make her assertion impossible . one being that fritz was a southern man with a southern accent and that lane had a very different , distinctive and very clear spoken northern accent as apparent in the above debate . no southerner from texas would ever hear lanes voice and assert that he sounded texan . the other thing that makes her assertion impossible and indeed false is that lane is heard on the tape identifying himself clearly saying MY NAME IS MR LANE , I AM AN ATTORNEY IN THE OSWALD CASE . to this day people maintain the lie that lane told markham that he was fritz . even 3 years after the warren commission ended as we can see in the above debate liebeler rather than admit the truth instead sought to rehabilitate a highly unreliable witness . of course had lane mentioned that markham said tippit was shot at 1.07 you can bet that liebeler would have sought to discredit the very woman he sought to rehabilitate . one very interesting thing was raised by lane right near the start and was in no way contradicted by leibeler , he could not in any case contradict it as its right there in black and white in the volumes . and it is that the commission stated that THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO EDIT TESTIMONIES . so they reserved the right to edit a persons testimony and correct what they feel was inaccurate etc . at the end of a testimony they asked the person testifying if they wanted to wait read their testimony and sign it as proof that it is indeed the testimony they gave . some declined to wait and sign . but if they edited testimonies AND THEY MOST CERTAINLY DID then the edited testimony is not the testimony the person gave even had they signed it . what we have in the volumes is testimonies that may have been and indeed some have been proven to have been altered . so they are then not the original testimonies , we dont have those . we need all the original testimonies and then check them to see what alterations if any were made . and yes they did alter testimony , they removed complete segments of jackies testimony in which she describes jfks devestating head wound .

[@insertnamehere313]

The WC didn't view the autopsy records or picture's at least not all because the Kennedy family had them put in the archives and conditions was after 5 years a forensic pathologist etc with historic reasons etc may apply to view those records and the Kennedy estate owns the brain everything used in the murder guns,bullets any evidence and that's a fact even tho people say the brain was stolen or destroyed but the Kennedys technically own that stuff by law and xrays,autopsy records and drawings and the WC didn't see those records they made the so called pathologist at Bethesda draw a picture saying there no need to view those we can just hear the pathologist testimony and drawing,now I agree with alot of your theory but the WC didn't view those but the House Committee may have seen them in 1978-1979.

[@fobrien1]

"The WC didn't view the autopsy records or picture's at least not all because the Kennedy family had them put in the archives and conditions was after 5 years a forensic pathologist etc with historic reasons etc may apply to view those records and the Kennedy estate owns the brain everything used in the murder guns,bullets any evidence and that's a fact " @@insertnamehere313 the warren commission had access to the autopsy photos . rankin mentioned in the warren commission executive sessions that he viewed atleast one , the one showing jfks back and the BACK wound . earl warren admitted seeing the autopsy photos , and arlen specter also admitted seeing the BACK wound photo all while working for the commission . so for anyone to say the warren commission didnt view these photos is simply plain wrong . the kennedys never stopped the commission from viewing the photos . or any commission after that . but i am glad you mention the rule that forensic pathologists could view the autopsy photos . because the first medical person to view them was not in any way a pathologist , this was dr lattimer a lone nut advocate . he in fact was merely a urologist , or as jim garrison RATHER ACCURATELY called him THE PI-S DOCTOR . so how did lattimer get access ? . the victims family do not own anything , they have no say over anything other than what they do with the body after its been returned to them . they certainly do not own or have any control over physical evidence such as bullets or a rifle . applying your logic marina oswald then owns and controls jack rubys pistol , the shells and bullets from it . and that is not the case . "even tho people say the brain was stolen or destroyed but the Kennedys technically own that stuff by law and xrays,autopsy records and drawings and the WC didn't see those records" the brain technically if you will was stolen , because there is no record of where it went , who took it and other material . in truth it seems the brain and other autopsy material was given to rfk and he buried them with jfk . perhaps when jfks body was moved from the old burial site to the current site . but if it was all legal and above board it should all have been signed out properly . "the WC didn't see those records they made the so called pathologist at Bethesda draw a picture 2 YES THEY DID as did the HSCA , of that there is no doubt . the pathologists did not draw pictures , dr humes had a medical artist (rydberg) draw several drawings . rydberg was not permitted to see any autopsy photos , he drew what humes told him to draw . and what humes told him to draw we now know was false . "now I agree with alot of your theory but the WC didn't view those but the House Committee may have seen them in 1978-1979." i posted no theory just fact . the HSCA did view the autopsy photos .

[@billmorrison9068]

If you want people to read your comments, please present them legibly. I refuse to accommodate your incomprehensible paragraphs and your failure to use capital letters. Is that supposed to be cute?

[@fobrien1]

@@billmorrison9068 well then please dont waste peoples time by replying . if you cant read plain english , and all you seem willing to do is childishly point out grammatical error , well then why would any intelligent person waste any time replying TO YOU ? . if i had actually replied to a comment of yours above well then in a way i might be able to understand your criticism , to a very small degree , but fact is you butted in here . if you want to chime in , respond to what has been posted , agree with , dispute or indeed refute well PLEASE DO . be my guest , but save any idiotic comments , they serve no useful purpose , and only make you look silly . but to post , just to say I NOT GOING TO POST is rather idiotic . so post , dont post , that is your call , either way i wont lose a second sleep .

[@billmorrison9068]

@@fobrien1 You want people to read your comments? Then take time to write for comprehension.

[@billanderson6089]

Someone stepped on those particular frames huh ???? Really ???? LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 ... man how convient for the WC

[@theenemyofthearrogant4784]

And to think that this clown represented the establishment, the so called accountable guys.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@theenemyofthearrogant4784 You 2 sh%t for brains are hopeless.

[@peterfraser9070]

You 2 sh%t for brains are hopeless.

[@Aaronblkgt]

Lol the bullet question and answering is so ridiculous now. We have high speed footage of bullets hitting eveeything and theirs no way that bullet was fired lol

[@peterfraser9070]

"theirs no way that bullet was fired lol": by the way, the bullet was damaged on the nose by Kennedy's neck, and flattened on one side mostly by Connolly's rib and also wrist. Mark Lane can get away with his lies because most people don't know anything about ballistics.

[@peterfraser9070]

Which way does his head go? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@scottheshot1]

@@peterfraser9070 you like the whole language stare in the pot head

[@peterfraser9070]

@@scottheshot1 You said something about a pot head?

[@Varig0270]

If you really follow along and research right now in present day stuff that Lane was going on about you’ll quickly discover in hindsight he was incredibly wrong. He was just bombastic and charismatic and everyone ate it up If any other proof is needed that he was a charlatan just look at his work in Jonestown up until the day of the Kool Aide incident.

[@AMC2283]

so feel free to believe every word of the warren report

[@muttleycrew]

Yeeeesh, Liebeler’s opening was basically ‘it’s no wonder people don’t trust the government but for god’s sake trust them this time because reasons.’ He neatly rebutted points about autopsy pics, points which Mark Lane never made though, so there’s that non-rebuttal rebuttal, I guess.

[@richardchristopher1228]

And he sounded a bit rattled. As if he yelled more, he would be believed more.

[@jackieow]

24:20 Oswald was seen walking into the TSBD the morning of Nov. 22 by the north side loading dock crew, and they saw he carried nothing. The story about the brown package and torn down rifle was invented by Buell Wesley Frazier. Otherwise Capt. Fritz would have charged him with murder, and Frazier didn't want the electric chair. His sister helped with the lie to save her brother's life. Frazier's mother also saw Oswald had no rifle package that morning.

[@marcusalexander7088]

How does Kennedy get shot in the back and it comes out his throat? The story that he was bent over at the time is impossible. Remember he had a stiff back brace on which is what held him up until the kill shot.

[@baselbob8012]

Upper back, near the bottom of the neck (the reason for the confusion), road tilting downwards so shot from Book Depository would have passed on out through the throat.

[@peterfraser9070]

"How does Kennedy get shot in the back and it comes out his throat?": You don't know, that's just it. Find out the truth, why don't you? Upper-back / base of the neck, higher than the exit, naturally. Remember, people saw and heard a 6th shooter, how's the bullet gonna go in lower than the exit, like Lane says????

[@peterfraser9070]

"How does Kennedy get shot in the back and it comes out his throat?" while we're at it, how does he get shot from the front, but the bullet knocks his head forward and it sends those extremely visible pieces of skull above his head forward? How does your magic front shot enter the back of his head and exit the fronts - as seen in the Z Film, Autopsy phots (agreed upon by the doctors)? I know, "in Rush to Judgement, it says the doctors said....' . Listen to the doctors THEMSELVES!

[@aaronz7056]

@james R karolchyk No bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle, and Kennedy was travelling on a downhill grade.

[@aaronz7056]

@james R karolchyk Er, yes I say.

[@kirkasplin776]

Is Liebeler being played by Alan Alda??

[@peterfraser9070]

"Is Liebeler being played by Alan Alda??": Any other questions? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@kristofftaylovoski60]

what is an "Italian Mauser" ????

[@marksesl]

An Italian Mauser is an Italian rifle with a Mauser type bolt action.

[@randyharris3175]

That means mauser was a generic term for a bolt action rifle.So since the weapon was a Italian Carcano bolt action .Its just his way of clearing up his mistaken I'd.

[@2t713]

UCLA CIA recruiting farm.

[@philwright2480]

More fragments were left in Connally than were missing from the "magic bullet"

[@marksesl]

Phil Wright that's a lie.

[@philwright2480]

@@marksesl wow..you are truly ignorant..it's a fact

[@marksesl]

@@philwright2480 No you're ignorant. You haven't done any real research. The flakes removed plus what was left in Connally could be accounted for by what was lost. Dr. Charles Lattimer did an extensive study of the issue. Besides, it would be absurd to think the amount found in Connally which could be measured in a few grains and the amount missing from CE 399 which could also be measured in a few grains could be mere coincidence. Nobody planting the bullet could have known beforehand how much to knock out to even just approximate what would be found in Connally.

[@philwright2480]

@@marksesl I have followed it since the day it happened,I own and have read almost every book written about it,I have been to several seminars over the years,I own and have seen just about every film and documentary and have watched hours on you tube..you are the one that needs to do some real research

[@marksesl]

@@philwright2480 If you have really done all that research and still believe in all this conspiracy crap, you must not have very highly skilled reasoning capabilities. You don't shoot someone from the front to frame someone in the rear. And, if you do something that stupid, you don't take your victim to a civilian hospital where scores of people can see the real wounds before you've had a chance to alter them. You cannot plant a fake bullet to incriminate your patsy until you know if the real bullet was found in the victim. Every single formal investigation both governmental and civilian has supported the Warren Commission in that JFK was shot twice from the rear only. No shot from the fence area could have exited out the right rear as conspiracists claim without making a near ninety degree turn in the skull. The Z film was not altered nor could it have been because alteration would have required making prints from frames, altering them, photographing them, and making an entire replacement film. A new copied film would have been very easy to distinguish, and the extant film was determined to be the in camera origional by a top Kodak expert (Roland Zavada). The single bullet theory has been proven to be true by independent teams from near the time of the assassination to recent studies cluding computer graphic reconstruction of the assassination. You had better go back to square one and try to get your head screwed on right this time. The Warren Commission was correct.

[@joshcantrell8397]

There was a witness who saw Oswald walk in and he stated lee was carrying absolutely nothing when he walked in.

[@rawbacon]

So not seeing something is proof of what? Your witness who was clinically mentally deficient said clearly that he didn't pay much attention to Oswald as he walked in. Beyond that your childish comment implies that Buell Frazier and his sister were part of a plot, what other Childish Fantasies do you believe in?

[@greysunconroy2142]

Belin died suspiciously as Gottleib and Colby

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

Belin...was it rat poison ..lol

[@usausa2390]

This should in the year of 2021be looked at in full to determine what happened exactly as the evidence is available somewhere in sure liebeler is a clown

[@peterfraser9070]

"the evidence is available somewhere": Of course it is, but nobody cares about it. Just like you don't care what this evidence shows: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@swankybutters8371]

I thought I should add a new post here. Roscoe White is a very interesting story and it would seem, he was the knoll shooter, the Oswald backyard stand in and most likely the man who shot Tippit. Look up "The West Texas Connection" it's very interesting. Also, sorry but Roscoe White looks JUST like the mid size tramp but with a wig on. Also, there was 3 shooters. Mandarin was Roscoe, the guy in the Book Depository was Lebanon and the Dal-tex building for Saul...

[@mizzutigerfan1]

There were 4 shooters the first shot that hit Kennedy came from the front, and the kill shot came from his right, front side. Shots were also fired from the Book depository building and the DalMex building.

[@simonjames1604]

lots of folks look like the tramps but they found two of them alive and they had no connection to it at all, roscoe WAS at the knoll because bobby hargis has spoken of seeing him there at the same time he was behind the fence looking for evidence, so white is a positive for the knoll buts it impossible he is one of the tramps, but you have seconds after the shooting a dozen cops on or around the knoll so that isnt the smoking gun some folks think it is.

[@peterfraser9070]

"There were 4 shooters the first shot that hit Kennedy". Then why did the only 2 bullets that hit Kennedy and Connolly come from Oswald's rifle? How come all these 'assassins' of yours all missed - and no one saw or heard them?? You're a joke.

[@tedhuntington7692]

I think Frank Fiorini Sturgis shot and killed JFK while dressed in a police uniform. See Morita Lorenz's testimony and many people seem to be using two F's together, like in the work "effort", Cyril Wecht accented slowly on "fragmented fracture", and many say "Frankly"

[@swankybutters8371]

@@tedhuntington7692 For me, that makes little sense... Dressing as a cop is a terrible idea... They would never dress as cops cause they would get pinched. Now I don't really know who the Book D guy was but I'm pretty sure "knoll" was Roscoe White and I'm pretty sure "Records Building" guy was the Oswald stand-in in Mexico...

[@chaschazchas]

It seems to me that in this day and age someone can take the Zapruder film, slow it down to the point where we can see which direction the bullets came from. Would that not reveal the truth?

[@markmordecai7051]

It has been done. What it revealed? The films/photos were altered. There are videos on YT explaining this, including an interview with a witness who analysed the original film. This same expert witness briefed Kennedy on the satellite photos during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[@Bestillivoze]

The film cannot be 100% relied upon, it was altered by government officials.

[@DanielL143]

They did, it showed the head moving forward first THEN back an to the left. You are asking the right questions. Actual frame by frame analysis shows that the fatal head shot came from the rear.

[@markmordecai7051]

@@DanielL143 can you post the source for your information. A large skull fragment was blown away by the shot from the front. It was found later on the opposite side on the street. A black blob can clearly seen painted over the back of JFK's head in several frames of the adjusted film. Lots of the emergency room doctors and nurses saw the exit wound at the back of the head.

[@DanielL143]

@@markmordecai7051 Mark, have a look at Vincent Bugliosi's speech (I think think it was delivered at TSBD around 50th anniversary; might help you follow up on this line of thought; PS I'd like to see this solved as much as you, just trying to find the truth brother; I've never been satisfied with the head wound & third shot analysis, simulations and evidence presentation; its so unfortunate that evidence handling was so bungled, but what a chaotic and sad day it was; good luck my friend. So many dirty dealings going on, so much confusion and such a difficult time in world history that it might just be that incompetence, chaos, politics and ass-covering may LOOK like a conspiracy; will we ever really know - I doubt it.

[@dawgtv]

I enjoyed this video.

[@theenemyofthearrogant4784]

43:55 - That couldn't be taken as something else other than a pure comedy.

[@philhayes8008]

too funny....primarily because those supposedly crushed 4 frames are near the end of the film (and nothing else other than those 4 frames were damaged) particularly in light of the fact that on the old super 8 rolls, which is would like scotch tape, the end of the film would have been several layers down in the roll of film. Ridiculousness at its finest !!

[@philhayes8008]

Liebeler's an idiot. Early in his career he got selected to work on the Warren Commission. That shitestorm of ignored and twisted evidence and bungled investigation no doubt haunted him...You can hear it in his voice.

[@delbertz.osborne9793]

If Mr. Liebeler has children, he has sentence them to a life of embarrassment.

[@meisievannancy]

No witnesses of LHO bringing parcel into TSBD.

[@garylampkin4288]

Which Oswald? It's pretty much a given there were at least 2.

[@Martiniization]

Very shoddy, faulty statements and claims made by Mr. Liebeler. Frustrating to not be able to detail the shoddy, faulty claims here.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Frustrating to not be able to detail the shoddy, faulty claims here.": Well obviously you're not capable of doing that or else you'd just do it

[@BellaZ209]

How in the hell does a bullet travel backwards?

[@tedhuntington7692]

Lane decimated Liebeler and that is most likely because the truth supports Lane's version

[@peterfraser9070]

"The truth supports Lane's version": Lane said this shot was from the front. What truth do you see here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@aaronz7056]

Lane, or as Charles Brehm called him, "a despicable liar."

[@specag31]

The Warren Commission was the closest thing to a trial for Oswald, extra-Constitutional and extra-judicial, but since Ruby conveniently killed LHO, denying him a trial, it’s intent was to show Oswald’s guilt. So let’s compare it to a trial. No one was there to represent LHO, and since when does a family get to deny access to autopsy photographs in a murder trial?

[@garylampkin4288]

Easy, under the umbrella of National Security. Just like how the CIA/FBI(and now some 16 plus Intel agencies under OHS control) operate in the shadows. In '63 the CIA/FBI totally controlled what info came before the eyes of the Warren Commission investigators.

[@BenjaminNavillus]

Exactly, as Lane stated many times, the Warren Commission amounted to a case for the prosecution against Lee Harvey Oswald. It would have been perfectly legitimate had there been a case for the defence within it. But of course that was sorely and sadly lacking. That was left to independent researchers including Lane, sadly. (I say, 'sadly,' as it should have been official and when 'unofficial' it can be easily dismissed by those committed to the government position/Warren Commission's conclusions.

[@baselbob8012]

Lane was an "unmitigated liar" says it all. [~48:00]

[@aaronz7056]

He was also a grifter.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Lane was an "unmitigated liar" says it all. [~48:00]": Finally an all too rare piece of truth in the middle of all this CT diarrhoea.

[@aaronz7056]

@@peterfraser9070 You think this stuff it funny? Check out Vince Palamara's channel. That guy reads conspiracy into absolutely everything, and keeps smugly patting himself on the back for his own brilliance as he pushed every crackpot theory imaginable.

[@aaronz7056]

@james R karolchyk Er, yes....

[@peterfraser9070]

@james R karolchyk you mean the 2020 election was stolen? Or not

[@Arnold-ee2be]

Isn't it funny how the government can show that the rifle used by Oswald was capable and accurate enough to do what Oswalt is accused of. But when outside professionals attempt to do hardly half as difficult as what Oswalt did who was an inexperienced Rifleman they were unable to do it. What is obvious in this whole thing is that the government when in control of the investigations and tests magic in the unbelievable can happen. Magic bullets become real in their Fairy Tail

[@rawbacon]

The shooting has been duplicated and bettered many times and thousands of deer hunters do far better shooting feats each and every year.

[@jdunn101ify]

Lane talks about evidence and witnesses. Liebeler just tries to attack Lane the man.

[@simonjames1604]

they didnt like each other because liebeler was a lawyer working for the warren commission and lane was a lawyer working to try and destroy the commission. leibeler was actually one of the biggest critics of the way the warren report was drafted and his memos about how evidence was presented and how awful some of their witnesses were ( brennan and helen markham specifically) were entered into evidence at the HSCA where he had to testify. his memos are available online and if you are interested in this case really a good read.

[@aaronz7056]

Lane dealt with crackpot paranoia, the HSCA famously condemned him for misleading them with theories he couldn't back up with evidence. Speaking of evidence, all that is credible points straight as Oswald.

[@W0LF3Y_0N_PAWS1]

At 46;40 what happen to the bullet it went threw the windshield then hit JFK in the throat and the bullet dispersed like the body did on the way to Washington.

[@victorcruz3334]

Mark lane is a genius

[@theartfuldodger935]

You can't spell "Liebeler" without the L-I-E. Lane should have asked him how the bullet which supposedly exited Kennedy's neck, making a neat round hole (spiraling bullet), suddenly started tumbling a fraction of a second later before entering Connally's back. Low-flying bird?

[@swankybutters8371]

Liebeler is full of spit...If you know what I mean... The overlooked person in this little story is Roscoe White... Very likely a the knoll shooter, almost surely the Oswald stand in for the backyard photo and most likely the man who shot Tippit. Look up "The West Texas Connection" on you tube. A good sight to check out for it is THE JFK ASSASSINATION CHANNEL + OTHERS!!... The Roscoe White story is about the only one that rings the most truth for me.

[@aaronz7056]

Simple ballistics, as he should have responded back.

[@greysunconroy2142]

John Judge thought he as Debra Conway as CI influenced .... not fully sure why

[@peterfraser9070]

You and John Judge should look at this and care about what it proves, but you don't care: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWHHZ399Z5ybh68

[@soniafell8267]

Y did the undertaker say to men come and took hand prints. Of osworld while he was dead. In the coffin ⚰ the undertaker said he had to clean the ink of his hands ✋

[@peterfraser9070]

"Y did the undertaker say to men come and took hand prints. Of osworld while he was dead.": Where'd you hear that one?

[@aaronz7056]

Story is a hoax.

[@tedhuntington7692]

How they can applaud Liebeler??

[@vincentmulier853]

They were brainwashed by corporate media outlets.

[@ronniebishop2496]

I can’t believe Life magazine would pay 500 thousand dollars for a film and then drop it on the floor. The question was confusing. Oswald’s picture holding a rifle with communist paper lol hahahahaha how ignorant 🧒 so many things that have to be explained and they still have no explanation that satisfies anyone hardly.

[@ronaldbarnes1746]

They bought it with government cash to surpress it. Were highly successful.

[@meisievannancy]

The automobile was hurriedly was and cleaned, tampering with evidence. Doctor at parkland hospital saw the shot through the windscreen from from front to back. A person scwuinted with weapons.

[@garylampkin4288]

I'm still curious about the dent located in the lower trim around the limo's windshield just above the hood. I haven't heard anyone talk in any detail about that, which had to be made by a shot coming from the front. At least 2 shooters are certain, and I suspect 3, with at least 5 shots. On the audio recording produced from the open mic on the motorcycle cop's radio, which I have listened to probably 25 times, i can clearly hear 5 shots...and none are the ubiquitous DEALEY PLAZA ECHO.

[@81overon]

Liebeler really spread the fertilizer at this debate. Lane wins by a knockout.

[@randyharris3175]

You would say that little bias aren't you.All facts from Liebeler.

[@randyharris3175]

ITS a fact Brehm.called Lane a liar.

[@randyharris3175]

Before Lane asked that question he schould have asked how many people had read the 26 volumes.

[@randyharris3175]

Lane is the master of twisting the truth In my opinion he doesn't believe what he is presenting himself by the way my opinion is shared by Vincent Bugloshi pretty good company.

[@randyharris3175]

Apparently Lane believes his own book again.Lol classic.

[@jimrobcoyle]

Ben Gurion got Dimona built under Johnson.

[@Martiniization]

If you want the US to survive and not be destroyed, Israel, at least, deserves all the support it can get. If you don't want that, go give Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Bernie Sanders, Louis Farrakhan, et al., a big hug and a kiss. Israel's enemies fall on the side of true enemies of humanity.

[@BryanM61]

@@Martiniization Bernie Sanders is Jewish, and strongly supports Israeli interests.

[@dominicseanmccann6300]

All governments are the enemies of humanity, period.

[@kevinleeper7173]

STILL NO EVIDENCE OF GUN SMOKE SMELL ON THE SIXTH FLOOR IT SHOULD OF WREAKED OF GUN SMOKE!!!!!!!

[@louf7178]

Good point. How long would that linger in a room under its conditions?

[@jackieow]

23:36 In macho man cowboy town Dallas, nobody needs to incriminate themselves or bother with a mail order rifle. Any corner hardware store or drugstore practically can sell anybody including Oswald, for under $50 at that point in time, a good rifle and not junk like the Mannlicher-Carcano. The money order the con artists bothered to invent for the "Oswald" rifle never was cashed, never run through the banking system. It never received the processing stamps and perforations a check or money order receives when being cashed and run through the banking system. It was just made up, filed away, and pulled out as fake "evidence" when it was needed to frame Oswald. The picture of Oswald holding the rifle was faked by Roscoe White when he and Oswald were working at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall (a CIA front graphics company) in Dallas. JCS was also where Oswald's fake driver's license was fabricated. Those two had in 1958 gone together to the School of Illusionary Warfare in Nag's Head, NC, where people are trained to be fake commies and do fake false flag attacks. Like what the JFK assassination was. Roscoe White lived across the street from J.D. Tippit, and White was installed in the Dallas Police in Sept. 1963 like Oswald was installed in the book depository in Oct. 1963 and Earl Rose was installed in the medical examiner's office in June 1963. Oswald thought it would be a sham assassination, like what was practiced on Gen. Walker. Then LHO would be the hero who scared JFK into invading Cuba, and he would be a big hero to his CIA buddies. Earl Rose was another innocent patsy, who was supposed to be fed a lightly damaged but dead JFK with wounds altered by John Liggett. JFK was supposed to get only the shoulder shot at Z206 to make him arch himself up and hold his head high. The Z220 shot from the southern grassy knoll was supposed to hit JFK in the head and put him in a coma, to allow time for wound tampering before feeding the custom-tailored corpse to an innocent and unsuspecting Earl Rose. Liggett would then alter the wound to make it look like it had come from behind. But the bullet bungled into the windshield and JFK's throat, so Umbrella Man signalled for more big caliber shots from the northern grassy knoll. The big anatomical mess that resulted had to be spirited off to the standby autopsy crew at Bethesda instead of the autopsy being done at Parkland as originally intended. Another bungle (discovered by Jim Rothstein from Frank Sturgis) was that JFK was supposed to be picked off before the parade [upon arrival at Love Field], but lone gunman Al Carone = Al Carone couldn't get a shooting angle that would spare innocent bystanders. Story verified by Al Carone's daughter.

[@Aaronblkgt]

Why they have to clap after each answer so the media and people think that the warnen comision was making some kind of good point for the virgin bullet how can anyone be clapping thinking they made any kind of point that mayde any kind of rational answer. The clapping for the guy against the commissions clapping is either cut short and softened lmao wtf

[@ericmuhammed2859]

This is why most people around the world was looking at Americans with Amazment because most people around the world were saying I can't believe the American people took this as truth from the Warren Commission and I have to agree with most people around the world, and if the American people were anything like the Italians or had half the guts of The Italian people then they should have done to LBJ and to J. Edgar Hoover the same that The Italian public did to Mussolini and his wife, yes LBJ before being sworn in and J. Edgar Hoover should have been done the same way if the American people had half the guts of The Italian public and not been so gullable.

[@keithmoore8777]

Mark Lane a real American hero RIP thank you!

[@ronniebishop2496]

My brother and my daughter and many of my friends were marines when I was in Vietnam, and They all tell me that a marine would have always used an M-1, rifle more than any other rifle because they train with that rifle and would never use a piece of shit Italian rifle. Hahahahaha ever. And M-1s were available in Texas by the millions. But he orders an Italian rifle in the mail lol The bullets went all over the place. hahahahaha. One was logged in by the FBI.

[@peterfraser9070]

"They all tell me that a marine would have always used an M-1": oh go crawl back under your rock

[@jefftipton2470]

The witnesses couldn’t identify where the shots came from because they came from multiple directions

[@aaronz7056]

No, there was an echo effect in the plaza. Most witnesses firmly described the shots as coming from the TSBD, including people directly under Oswald's window.

[@johndover4802]

Who’s going to talk about the four bullets in the presidential limousine three in the window or a frame and one in the backseat behind the president

[@davedillon1372]

There's an old joke: 'What's 5,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

A good start?

[@peterfraser9070]

"There's an old joke: 'What's 5,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?": Yes, and Mark Lane is that kind of lawyer that belongs there.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

@@peterfraser9070 Mark Lane was a hero to the civil rights movement, marched with Dr king, risked his life when he was arrested in the south as a freedom rider and spend his life working pro bono for worthy causes, but he committed the crime of seeking the truth, of speaking truth to power and corruption..so we know what side of that struggle you are on.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz Mark Lane was called an outright liar by the witnesses he interview because he changed their stories to invent a conspiracy. He book is chock gull of outright lies and is as full of fantasy as the movie JFK. It's not about believing the Warren Report or the government per se, this case has been independently investigated over the years and the basic conclusions o0f the non-cover-up Warren Commission. Isn't it irrational to think it was a cover-up? Earl Warren was a friend and was very fond of Kennedy. Don't tell me about Allen Dulles, it doesn't matter.

[@peterfraser9070]

damn that autocorrect.

[@BennySkyn]

Liebeler has lie written right there, in his name. While he lied to this audience, he almost developed a stuttering problem.

[@randyharris3175]

It's silly to think a shot came from the grassy knoll after all the research.Nobody seen anybody shooting no rifle found.No escape position wide open somebody would have seen somebody.Any shot from that angle would have went into the left hemisphere of Kennedys head left side was intact.

[@ronaldbarnes1746]

Many people saw a shooter there. Lee Bowers the best Vantagepoint. He also shut down the railroad. This is how the “tranps” were caught. Bowers soon after his testimony found a suspicious death. The death mute also saw the shooters.

[@randyharris3175]

@@ronaldbarnes1746 Its all BS been debunked ages ago.

[@simonjames1604]

the BBN who were in the 70s until the 90s the leading audio/ballistic experts in america said a shot came from the overpass/knoll area ( its a small area as you know ) plenty of the police on duty thought a shot came from there including most of the escort riders at the time ( surgis changed his view after the warren report but the others who doubted it did not) . a few people claim they saw something indicating a shot from that area, no one could make an id. now other things you have written here is nonsense, there are many ways out of that area , its not an enclosed area at all , one officer roger dean reports trying to arrest a woman leaving the area , so your idea that somebody could not get away is wrong. the shooter in the tsbd was out in the open with a rifle sticking out that more folks SHOULD have seen yet nobody could make a positive id on that shooter either and they got away from the scene of the crime, so you are arguing that everything that happened at position a ( the tsbd) could not happen at position b? thats not how investigation and logic work.

[@randyharris3175]

@@simonjames1604 Well simon the National Academy of Science debunked this supposed shot from the grassy knoll that supposedly missed the whole limosine imagine that .It would have been damb near impossible to escape with nothing seen it didn't happen no medical evidence on Kennedys body to match up with a shot from that direction. You're hanging on to a myth the noise on the dictabelt happened one minute after the assassanation even though Robert Blakey wouldn't admit they came to wrong conclusion because he wrote a bok the mafia did ir.

[@simonjames1604]

@@randyharris3175 the CBA who were formed by the NAS debunked nothing, they had a good panel of scientists but sadly not ONE ballastics expert or audio expert, so they were always at a disadvantage in the "expert" department ( they did have two guys from the manhatten project leading it so i am guessing they could build a pretty good a bomb) and who were they up against? BBN were the leading acoustic/ballistic experts in north america at the time , using only a audio recording they not only pinpointed all 3 of the first shooters at kent state but also got them in the correct order, they were also the governments experts on the watergate tapes providing the evidence of the tapes erasure etc, and AFTER working for the HSCA the BBN worked for the us military creating the "boomerang system" which is audio ballistic device used to locate snipers using only audio signals. over 10 000 of these were issued in the iraq occupation. so you are trying to argue that the guys who WROTE THE BOOK on this stuff, and who are the leading folks in this field by far were "debunked" by three theoretical physicists two computer experts a cosmologist , a government worker and a guy who laid fiber optic cable for bell? you are incorrect. BBN maintains to this day that 1 CBA did not have access to the original source as the dub CBA provided BBN did not match THEIR original recording and 2 the CBA ignored all supporting evidence because their audio source was flawed and 3 the CBA lacked the expertise to make any determination . so debunked did not happen. remember BBN is a us government favorite who are not conspiracy minded in the least. who are the cba? you are taking the word of virtual amatuers in this field here. if you want to attack BBN you are going to need much more than the NAS could muster against them.

[@deepspacepilots]

Wesley says he “states his entire case” on the story of the LIFE Magazine dropped the film and destroyed the crucial frames. But I just watched “The Zapruder Film Mystery” video in which Dino Bruglioni is interviewed and that interview completely discredits what Wesley says here.

[@marksesl]

I have listened to Dino Bruglioni's statements and nothing he said ever was at variance with the official story. For example, when questioned repeatedly about if blood went out the rear of the president's head (showing a shot from the front), he stated "No, it all went up and high." LOL. He was a key witness of a pristine copy, and NO he never had the original. The Secret Service and FBI each had copies and that was what he received -- two high-quality copies.

[@randyharris3175]

Very simple case but made impossibly complicated

[@davidkettelle1581]

Liebler starts off and ends up weak. He says nothing factual, most of the points he brings aren’t even circumstantial as evidence (his argument is the mood of the country is to blame?🤣). Even the audience regularly laughs at Liebler when he makes statements attacking Lane, they didn’t believe anything Liebler said then- AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU. The results of the rifle test by experts Lane explained should speak volumes on it’s own. But the shot from the front showing “back and to the left” tells it all. Recording of at least 4 shots fired. Incompetence by Warren Commission on so much testimony ignored, yet still writing 26 volumes. Once you really understand when coverup and conspiracy has occurred. It’s always amazing to witness and try to determine whether dissenters who go to such lengths and expense to attempt to perpetuate these ludicrous explanations of Kennedy killing, 911, etc, are shills still paid by those responsible, insane people with an agenda or pitiful sheep.

[@aaronz7056]

Lane's was a liar and a grifter on an amazing scale. John Connally described him as "evil" and Charles Brehm described him as a "despicable liar." Lane was also condemned by the HSCA for misleading them with conspiracy theories he couldn't back up with evidence.

[@aaronz7056]

There is no audio recording of the assassination. If you refer to the dictabelt recording, the Justice Department investigated and debunked that over 40 years ago.

[@aaronz7056]

Direction a person's head goes on being shot is meaningless regarding what direction the bullet came from (it's not like being punched by a fist) and the limo suddenly accelerated at the same moment.

[@aaronz7056]

@@dirkfirkle Not true, what did I literally just say? Never mind the fact that most witnesses (including the Connally's, the ones right under the sixth floor window, journalists, etc.) firmly heard 3 shots, as backed up by ballistics and medical evidence.

[@aaronz7056]

@@dirkfirkle I just told you, it was debunked over 40 years ago. Most witnesses heard 3 shots.

[@randyharris3175]

Bottom line is everything Lane says can be explained and rebuked and are wrong.

[@kristofftaylovoski60]

Yup yup

[@kristofftaylovoski60]

Are you the old Tom101 or some similar youtube handle from Texas from a few years ago??

[@jackieow]

59:00 The throat bullet was taken out after 11pm once the autopsy was "over" and after Humes found out there had been a throat shot. Humes talked to Malcolm Perry after 11pm and ooooops! found out he had totally missed the fact there was a throat wound. So for midnight capers Humes had to quickie quickie cut out the bullet. Which is why JFK came to Bethesda with a half-inch tracheostomy wound in his throat (enlarged bullet hole) and left with a 2.5 inch hack job due to Humes slicing away to get out the throat bullet residual fragments. Humes was under the blackmail of Adm. Galloway and Adm. Burkley to make the three-bullet fairy tale somehow fit, when it didn't fit since the three-bullet fairy tale was a big lie.

[@randyharris3175]

Lane knows his theory is wrong.He is a proffiteer

[@randyharris3175]

Yes Bowers said that afterward he wanted to get on Lanes money train.

[@tacogang5083]

Moose: hi, I'd like to speak to you about your den's extended warranty.

[@LBNLDC1]

Mr Liebeler proves he can talk fast but not much else. His closing remarks focus entirely on the diversity and integrity of the Warren Commission staff. Mr Lane ignores the staff’s credentials and focuses on their work product. A more realistic approach imo.

[@randyharris3175]

That's the key it was thought to be 3 grains left in the wrist.

[@adrianmartin5780]

Oh look,I found a bullet,the last piece of the puzzle,lucky me.

[@Madmen604]

Mrs Oswald took that photo in the yard. On the back of one copy Oswald wrote.. Hunter of Facists, ha ha and gave it to deMornshield. Oswald worked in a photo lab and may have altered the picture himself, if at all. I think the shadow issue is a non sequitor.

[@tommerphy1286]

Marina's uncle was a high level of KGB in counterintelligence

[@tommerphy1286]

Take a look at Ruth Payne and the lead Dr that I'd LH O teeth when he was in exhumed

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

i know nothing about shadows, but the rifle in the photos is different from the one found at the TSBD (the sling mounts are a different and therefore a different model), the face is identical in each photo and LHO's wedding ring changes hands on some of the photos. Marina oswald claimed she took one photo. at least 5 different versions were found. the one with 'hunter of fascists" was found by the Demohrenshelts much later. You are jumbling facts, which is the only way the WC fairy tale makes sense...kind of. The photos are not only faked they are sloppily faked.

[@tommerphy1286]

How many times didLHO say he never owned a gun? Ratiocination this. 4 or 5 homicide detective's are searching for a suspect for the murder of a policeman an hour ago. Do you think they would not have their own weapons locked and cocked? Add to that the man reached "for a gun" how much more weight would've he gained? These cops are under the man who got Bonnie and Clyde 300 bullet's later

[@tommerphy1286]

The math...150 oz = 9 lbs each

[@davidmoss4280]

Mark lane was a defence lawyer who’s job was to pick holes in a prosecution case, and in most cases witnesses are flawed, they can’t remember all the details of a crime they’ve just seen. So the JFK assassination was a case in point, Dealey Plaza was an echo chamber where sounds reverberated everywhere, so some witness claimed to hear shots from the grassy knoll but this represented only 12 % of the witnesses there of which 88 % heard 3 x shots. The preponderance of evidence pointed to Oswald as the shooter with little to none pointing at someone else but some people don’t like to listen to the facts of a case like this where Oswald had been witnessed on the 6th floor, his weapon, his bullet cases x3, his empty bag and snipers nest which all had his finger or palm prints.

[@garylampkin4288]

I'm not a math wiz, but i heard said a compiled group of some 58 of 90 eye and ear witnesses said shots came from the grassy knoll area, some were on the ground near the Pres. limousine, some were near the book building, one one the roof of a high rise across from the plaza, and some up on the railroad overpass and at least one cop on a motorcycle were all affected by the same echo simultaneously...not to mention more than a few witness saw puff(s) of smoke, some saw figures behind the fence that may even be present in a photo, and a Dallas police officer at the time of the shots says he instantly was focused on the spot by the fence saying he was first to run towards the fence, and the 3 railroad workers all said there were clearly defined footprints, on the ground, on a 2x4 and a car bumper, exactly where they saw the puff(s)of smoke. So the same echo did all that? 🤔🙄😳rotflmao🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@garylampkin4288]

Do you know the testimony of the undertaker at the funeral parlor where Oswald was taken? Most likely not is my guess...ONE(of many)of those inconvenient facts not included in the Warren Commission investigation or Report. Take the 27 Vol.s of info and use the pages to line the bottom of your bird cage, that's all it's good for.

[@davidmoss4280]

It’s amazing what witnesses claim to see and hear, and because of their claims people jump all over the conspiracy theory. If 88 % heard 3 shots (according to the House Select Committee) and 3 bullet cases cases were found at the School Depository Building then the maths is pretty easy, that’s where the shots came from.

[@davidmoss4280]

@@garylampkin4288 maybe I could pass on the facts of the JFK Assassination on to you so you can learn something

[@garylampkin4288]

@@davidmoss4280 I doubt it, but have at it...I have an open mind, but i sincerely doubt you have any information I haven't already considered since I've been studying this case since the the late 70s when the HSCA concluded the assassination was a conspiracy, they did, not me. Any person at this late date attempting to say it wasn't is either a troll , or a nincompoop, ir probably both.

[@tommerphy1286]

From the window 90° to the street from the window to JFK 20° angel a right triangle adds up to to 180° therefore at the point of impact leaves 70°. And what about the Mormon photo enlargements of badgeman behind the picket fence.

[@aaronz7056]

Badgeman is too big to be human.

[@peterfraser9070]

"And what about the Mormon photo enlargements of badgeman behind the picket fence." Have you ever seen such a thing??? and your mathematics is as worthless as your 'bargeman' story.

[@piezoification]

" Northwood" dark, labyrinthine, menacing, in which perceptions are thwarted, bread crumbs lost. Identiies impossible to ascertain. Sunlight weak.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Identiies impossible to ascertain. Sunlight weak.": poetry skills even weaker

[@LVVMCMLV]

Save your time and skip over the Mark Lane sections ...he says he will not discuss any evidence that makes Oswald look guilty

[@andywinger4197]

Bad advice because Oswald was not guilty. There are many book to read but Jim Garrison's "On the Trail of Assassins" is as good as any.

[@LVVMCMLV]

@@andywinger4197 yes… Oswald is innocent and Trump never lies

[@joshcantrell8397]

Someone sounds a little angry…

[@marksesl]

At 50:19 the seventeen deputies who ran to the grassy knoll were just going where others went. A great many people followed others into the grassy knoll. That in no way means they personally thought the shots came from there...LANE!

[@garylampkin4288]

🥱🥱🥱ignorance is bliss, right?