Mark Lanegan On Being a Homeless Drug Dealer | His Life After Screaming Trees

[@Grungefan2018]

He was such a real dude. Loved his voice and his attitude. In his book he was so brutallly honest and he accepted responsibility all over the place . I didn’t know him but I miss him . Feels weird .

[@guancofathereternal760]

His book was FUCKING AMAZING and truthful about the struggles every junkie goes through even of you're in a successful world touring band with hits on the radio...REAL TALK!!! He was an amazing singer/song writer and lived and real deal hardcore life of pain...Rest easy brother....🙏❤💜

[@bongdonkey]

@@guancofathereternal760 He was a genius songwriter.

[@Gorgonzola0987]

Was he real though? Did anyone ever actually see him?

[@bogmon]

just read the book. I had no idea how dark life had gotten for some of my musical heroes in Seattle. Props to Courtney Love for using her money and influence to help people like Mark get clean and off the street.

[@marcbasil]

@@Gorgonzola0987what’re you talking about.? What do you mean? This comment makes Zero sense, no offense

[@risboturbide9396]

"Sing Backwards And Weep" is the very best document about grunge, Seattle and the nineties. RIP Lanegan 🍻🍻

[@brightenthecorners_]

I was there. Crossing paths with so many of the same characters living a parallel life. Layne included. Getting kick packs from a Dr. on Broadway, getting clean at Kings County detox multiple times just so I could lower my habit... Burning my connect who I ran for, a killer named spanky forcing me to escape to LA… I bought a 1972 Yamaha acoustic guitar from Capital Pawn that played like nothing before or since and then lost it to a pawn shop in dtla. That one still hurts….So grateful to have made it though 🙏🏽

[@bjmcmahon722]

Damn...

[@ExcitedAnacondaSnake-hg8ec]

Good times…

[@Audfile]

Wow. Cool.

[@Doyouevenart69]

Damn man assuming you’re telling the truth and giving you the benefit of the doubt, I’m sure you have some really interesting life stories, anecdotes, and experiences…I’m glad to hear you’re doing well now Damn man I feel you I lost all of my possessions to pawn shops and what not for dope and crack…including all three of my drum kits…an original 68 Ludwig like Ringo’s, in perfect condition too…Im a musician myself and I also got caught up using for many years in LA, OC, but mostly Austin…I definitely didn’t cross paths with anyone of note like you did but I certainly did live the life and struggled for a long, long time…I’m quite a bit younger than you from what it sounds though…I wish I was around that scene during that time period

[@brightenthecorners_]

@@Doyouevenart69 yeah it seems like a million miles from where my life is today… It really is like a scripted dream scene from a Hollywood movie no one ever saw. So grateful to have made it thru. Bummer about your kits. But honestly, our stuff is only stuff. There’s always more stuff out there with our name on it if we’re aligned with a healthy path. Hope you’re still walking a clean walk 🙏🏽 blessings.

[@amywinslow3282]

Amazing memoir… love Mark Lanegan… brutally honest… I love that he narrated it himself as well

[@YettiManChannel84]

His voice is just so cool 😂 His voice adds an amazing layer to it all. My favorite Rock memoir by far and I've read and listened to a bunch of amazing ones. This one just hits harder for me.

[@deadringer28]

I met Mark a few times. He is an awesome soul. Listening to his memoir on the way to work keeps him with us forever.

[@linusrandall9339]

I remember seeing Mark most mornings as I drove through first hill on my way to work, only a few years sober myself.

[@Blackkitty32]

Are you still sober?

[@linusrandall9339]

@@Blackkitty32 29 years on the 9th.

[@Arahsure]

​@@linusrandall9339Good on ya.👍

[@Syphonfllter]

​@linusrandall9339 That's awesome bud, I'm on MMT but have a good life now.. shits not easy whether you're a nobody or a somebody.

[@Silas-lc9op]

I'm on MMT myself. I kind of sucks, but way better than before

[@YettiManChannel84]

The eerie low music in the background and pics of Mark really add a cool layer to the already great storytelling. This is by far my favorite memoir. I've listened to it in it's entirety over 15 times and still really enjoy it. Thanks for uploading this.

[@ursweetsab]

Whar is the full thing called, and where can I listen to it all?

[@marko1978st]

​@@ursweetsab did you find out?

[@aw2584]

​@@ursweetsab Sing Backwards and Weep. I got it for free getting Audible, taking on free trial and cancelling once i finished the book lol but I can still listen to it after cancelling.

[@aw2584]

​@@marko1978stSing Backwards and Weep. I got it for free getting Audible, taking on free trial and cancelling once i finished the book lol but I can still listen to it after cancelling.

[@brandonthomas9288]

His biography is the best I have ever read or listened to from a professional musician. Sing Backwards and Weep is a masterpiece. He held nothing back.

[@John-eo4zm]

The only decent account of the reality of drug addiction. Brilliant book.

[@RickBeall]

A great singer, great phrasing. I had no idea he had lived like this.

[@shocbomb23]

Lanegan is right up there with William S. Burroughs when it comes to junky stories

[@andyxjo1]

Try reading “Up and Down with The Rolling Stones”

[@sadhu7191]

Meh I think am addict who has healthy body and chooses safe drugs is best story

[@JohnBock-nq9lr]

Yeah.....not even close. Burroughs invented a whole genre and style of writing. This guy regurgitate it.

[@SilentProti]

​@@sadhu7191and what is supposed to be safe drugs?

[@MattCharles-c3e]

Uh no. He isnt

[@keeblah1111]

It's incredible how detailed these stories are

[@lightoftheworld7493]

Moral of the story: all those Seattle rock dudes living the heroin lifestyle in the early 90s... many if not most of them lived a horrible life that didn't end well.

[@DM-il1hf]

I moved to seattle in 87 & while I never did H, I became immersed in the music scene. A decade ago I had to manually move my contacts into a new cell & as I started noticing how many friends were dead I started to count them & I reached 73. 90% from opioids And this was a decade ago before the fentanyl purge. It’s definitely over 100 now. It was a magical, magical time in the PNW but with everything in life, there’s always a price to pay & with all of the fun comes a whole lot of sorrow. Sorry for crashing your thread.

[@lightoftheworld7493]

@@DM-il1hf No problem, thanks for your reaction.

[@written12]

Wow. What a horrific body count. As you note, this was even before the explosion of opioids. What was wrong with all those folks that they gravitated to such a drug

[@brianj4201]

@written12 there's a lot of people who suffer from mental illnesses and use drugs and alcohol to numb the pain. One of my former friends had serious depression and used drugs and alcohol to cope.

[@Ihateevilpeople]

It was cool for minute

[@Littleneddygtw]

the dogs jaw clicking like a dry firing pistol inches from my jaw. So good. This audiobook still haunts me - in a good way. Miss you mark

[@PraetorClaudius]

Best voice of that era. The trees are so underrated.

[@AaronLakes-ge9su]

He was just a real guy who lived through all the heartbreak of loosing all his friends and living thru his own nightmare and misery, grief, and hating himself it's sad but he made it by the grace of God only to die recently but of natural causes it's a miracle but lanegan beat himself up the rest of his life survivers grief he was a talented man who held no punches Mark lanegan, Andrew wood, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, Kurt Cobain, Baker, and more of the movement u are all missed and loved forever rest easy brothers u will never be replaced ❤😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@thecandyman9308]

Being poor after being a celerity is the realest shit you can do.

[@stringlarson1247]

This brought back a lot of memories. I've been away from that life for 20 some years. Still have some PTSD when I think of certain events, etc. I'm so grateful to not be 'out there' anymore especially these days with Fent and Tranq. I'm glad he was able to get some clean years in there before the covids got him.

[@rebd00mer93]

Same. I quit heroin right before fentanyl got big.

[@Hand_Painted_Tie]

Or before the vax got him.

[@Blackkitty32]

Irish here, please talk to me guys, I'm struggling big time

[@stringlarson1247]

@Blackkitty32 Assuming you're in Ireland, I have no knowledge of what recovery services are available. The first thing to do is make the firm decision that you want to live and to do whatever it takes to get off the gear. If there are methadone clinics, that would be a step to consider. I'm not a big fan of that stuff, but with fentanyl being in the picture, it would be a better choice. Get into counseling. Be ready to walk away from everyone in your life who is in the shit or a negative influence. Eat healthy food. Be patient and compassionate with yourself. None of it is quick or easy. One doesn't get a habit overnight, and the changes take time as well. You can do it.

[@DonBurtonsays...]

​@@Blackkitty32 instead of methadone, I would consider trying Suboxone. I'm not sure if it's the same brand name in Ireland, but they probably have it where you live. It could possibly save your life. I can promise you that the struggle will only get worse. There is no such thing as "no hope." Anyone can get better. It will be the hardest thing you've ever done, but you WILL feel better eventually. Your life is worth saving. I hope you seek help soon, if you haven't already. Cannabis is also a lifesaver. It will at least help you eat and sleep during your first few weeks of abstinence from harder drugs. I sincerely hope you make it.

[@marko3270]

sucks he's gone too. he really lived through the heyday and im so greatful he was able to tell his story through his audiobook.

[@jasonsantos8386]

Thanks to covid, fucking unbelievable

[@marko1978st]

Alooo imenjače - pričamo li isti jezik?? Di se može poslušat audio knjiga ? Ima li je igdje bez kupovanja?

[@aw2584]

​@@marko1978staudible ma free trial i tam przesłuchałem całość

[@aw2584]

​@@marko1978stSing Backwards and Weep. I got it for free getting Audible, taking on free trial and cancelling once i finished the book lol but I can still listen to it after cancelling.

[@Broteinn]

For anyone who has a Seattle public library card, you can check out Mark Lanegan's audio book for free at the Seattle public library.

[@dominysynclair]

That pace is basically a homeless shelter. Go in and ask around, you can probably talk to people who knew him.

[@reddiver7293]

Brutal honesty. RIP, brother. I know too many guys that have perished from letting drugs take over their lives. Intelligent, good hearted guys. Sad.

[@larrydanadavid2435]

I saw Mark at the Troubadour in West Hollywood on the Scraps at Midnight tour. It was one of the most intense live performances I’ve ever seen. This dude was the real deal.

[@D-Fens_1632]

I had one chance to see him locally. It was not a Mark Lanegan show exactly, it was when he did a tour with Dulli and the Twilight Singers in 2006 and was doing 3 or 4 songs each show. It was Halloween weekend, maybe actually Halloween, but I chose to go to a weekend campout hippie festival instead (where it rained and I didn't have the best time and got sick after I came home). I stil regret it.

[@ethanluffman7150]

Sing Backwards and Weep is my favorite book, its amazing on every level

[@niteporter]

Rest In Peace Mister Mark Lanegan. I'll never be over his death. Love and miss you Dark Mark. Thanks for everything

[@darrenmcmackin330]

That's crazy. Screaming trees are on my constant playlist. This is sad,had no idea the struggle.

[@Greg-w9j]

Mark used to tell me stories about Kurt in 1998 at a rehab.

[@jacobsamano9761]

Damn that’s crazy. Hope you’re doing better all these years later. I wish I could have met Mark. I love Screaming Trees now that I have gotten into Mark Lanegan and his backstory. Nirvana will always be my favorite band. They are the reason I picked up a guitar.

[@johnbest1978]

Great video.. thank you for sharing some great history of music. Mark Lanegan is one of the best musicians ever and he's definitely missed. Thank you again for posting this great video.

[@myownmusic8182]

That was a DAMN good cop. He legitimately offered to let Lanegan off of the hook if he went to rehab.

[@artshaw7079]

It sounded more to me like he was doing the ex cop who owned the pawn shops a favor and was friends with Lanegan. I could be wrong bur that's what I gathered when reading the book.

[@shawnwhite2120]

Another true 90s hero of mine RIP Mr. lanegan❤

[@andyhunt5150]

One of the best books I’ve ever read.

[@davefromkansas5600]

I spent a bit of time with Lanegan around 1996-1997 and it was bizarre. He would get balck out drunk every night.

[@garethclark5489]

Probably didnt want to have to think or dream

[@jeromealexandre4162]

He was a really lovely guy - I was so upset when he died - he’d just finished doing an album with my friend Joe cardamone.

[@pandalilpig]

what was the record? thanks

[@ChrisPuckett]

Saw him play live in 91 and their song was all over MTV and the radio for several years. Mark is a true legend.

[@aspartamekillsyaknow9019]

One hit wonder, but nearly lost you has always been one of my favs and brings back a lot of memories in HS

[@effdonahue6595]

Uncle Anasthesia was a nice track

[@dsa513]

An era that has faded. The story of rock gods on the edge of glory.

[@rEdf196]

I remember Screaming Trees back in the early 90's while tuned to Vancouver's short lived Coast 1040 alt rock station with their hit song "I nearly Lost You". I was shocked and saddened at some of these old 80's and 90's bands I remembered and what became of some of the members who fell off the rails into heroin hell. a few of my friends from the 90's fell into that dreadful scene too. It really soured my enthusiasm for the whole Seattle alt-rock, grunge scene.

[@Garrett-qo6fc]

I remember that station, I lived in North Delta/Surrey. That time in music was awesome. Seeing NIRVANA Live on January 4 1994 @ PNE Forum was the best.

[@dongately2817]

This dude and his story will live forever, and hopefully help a few who listen.

[@justonsullivan3807]

Mark was such a great writer. The best with Word's. R.I.P Mark u will definitely never be forgotten. 🙏🇺🇲🗽🇺🇲🙏

[@JM-ym8mm]

i would really love to listen to his other book. His first one was utterly mind boggling and I don't imagine the second topping it but still, that first book left me wanting more.

[@howardsternssmicrophone9332]

Man, this is gritty, and depressing as hell.....

[@juliolopez6289]

I'm from NYC originally,been working at Harborview Medical for almost a year.It's pretty grimey out here.

[@dominysynclair]

It wasn't nearly as bad during the time of this story.

[@No0one01]

MARK !!!! YOU will never be forgotten !!

[@dayzofrust9985]

Long Gone Day-Mad Season

[@marcbasil]

Not even close to his best work

[@dayzofrust9985]

@@marcbasil stop h8n Still a criminally underrated classic boi

[@ShnarfKat]

as a grunge kid through and through then later homless junkie ,this resonates...

[@sandygoddard7478]

I am glad that Mark kept going after some of the other grungers passed on. I was surprised he did but time gets the best of us after a while. Glad to have a record like this of what transpired all those years ago.

[@marcbasil]

“Grungers…?” 🤨

[@DannyUrena-fi7zh]

@@marcbasil Their is Always New Slangs being invented everyday

[@Sparks311]

Talent and Dope go together like peas and carrots....so few are creative and miss understood and there is always pressure.... people expect things from creative people... demanding even...R.I.P.... 1 of the greats💯

[@olivierdube8110]

Like these stories of complete misery and despair, keep em' coming

[@YettiManChannel84]

You should get the Audible version of this book. It's absolutely worth it.

[@kylemaxi5525]

@@YettiManChannel84I just bought the book . Now I think I wanna buy the audible 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@swesttttt]

@@YettiManChannel84This is one instance where I firmly agree. I’m not usually a fan of audiobooks, but… that voice. His voice is amazing and his reading reflects the depth of his story.

[@stiiimes]

you are a parasitic tourist

[@aspartamekillsyaknow9019]

Yeah I know what you mean, miserable stories make you feel better about yourself, like you're not really that bad of a piece of 💩

[@mattosborne1366]

Tour(work), tour(work), tour(work) - get home: no money. Great system!

[@jonnybarnard8578]

The Winding Sheet is one of my favorite albums, he wasnt even a trained singer and turned out to be a musical genius. I love his early voice on the first couple trees albums too even though I know he hates them lol rest easy friend, you can jam with kurt and layne forever now.

[@JohnBock-nq9lr]

Musical genius?....ah No.

[@jmpsthrufyre]

Saw them in Mass with Cop Shoot Cop Great show

[@timczifrik7715]

wow... this is really good..!!! very raw...real ....and interesting... for sure..!!!

[@MrDCoy2010]

Great band, sad to see what goes on behind it all. Poor dude.

[@olikat8]

Funny thing? I know all the spots he is talking about & was just in E-burg picking up a vintage ('80's) Benton County Sheriff's car. I'll be back in September to get it shipped over to my new home state of NC. I'm from Seattle, but this era is gone and, between the expense and the drug/homeless/crime, it's not livable anymore.

[@SinewRending]

*True.*

[@sitindogmas]

those days, as dirty and tough as they were, there was still some kind of beautiful magic in the air. Mark was one of a kind and one of us..

[@marko1978st]

Drugs were top notch in the '90s.....H was H, and it was strong which believe it or not is much much healthier, or rather much less toxic than any shit stepped on so much you get high of of the cutting agens.....ffwd to today, fentanyl????!!?? Xylazine??? What's wrong with people jesus fucking christ

[@Microtonal_Cats]

I was a junkie, yet somehow this grosses me out. This guy's bottom was looooooooow. Really good writing and reading too.

[@JohnBock-nq9lr]

Yeah....low is an understatement. His saga goes way beyond just being a junkie* ( I was one too....now I'm on methadone and have been for yrs).There's a lot more self hate and loathing involved when one is brought down to his level .I can't relate to allowing myself to sink that low....and I didn't have rich enablers

[@lokjaw30]

This could be a great movie!

[@actualwizard]

Just watch the Basketball Diaries

[@setterhound7765]

He died in Kerry, Ireland of all fuckn places . R.i.p u legend.

[@liamorourke2434]

And he loved it..🖤

[@dudemusstinkmeyer9843]

I think u mean Killarney Ireland. And it's not that surprising or out of place. Alot of celebrities and rich people did the same thing around the same time cause of covid. Ireland happened to b one of those places that wasn't ravaged by covid somehow

[@fractaled3129]

He said he was happy to be in his ancestors' home in an interview before he passed, Lanegan is an Irish name.

[@dongately2817]

Killarney is in Kounty Kerry (I know it’s spelled with a C but I couldn’t resist using a K).

[@MikeGervasi]

The best lineup of QOTSA was when Mark fronted them. I'm glad he found his way out after clearly bouncing off rock bottom.

[@marcbasil]

Who cares about that? Lanegan was way more than just the short time front man for “that band that the Kyuss guitarist formed after “

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

Who cares about you? I don't ​@@marcbasil

[@vincegedeon6583]

DUDE IS LUCKY THAT ROT WAS CHAINED UP😂

[@KyleKalevra]

Real shit.

[@matthews7805]

That cop gave Lanegan the best offer a junkie ever got.

[@zoef234]

Try the album “ Dust “from screaming trees from 1996 if u haven’t already . Neglected gem.

[@jasonsantos8386]

Those last two tracks are incredible. You can almost hear C.Cornell singing them, same style of writing.

[@jasonsantos8386]

Rip Marc & Van Conner

[@zoef234]

Love it all🙏

[@durace99]

♥️♥️♥️ Mark Lanegan

[@foofkanon]

Great book. Wayne Kramers memoir is as good .

[@FieldMarshalRommel23]

I’m going trough a benzo detox. It’s 2:42am, listening to this is helping me.

[@caranelson7457]

Good luck.... listening to this has helped me through some tough times too. I hope you recover.

[@FieldMarshalRommel23]

@@caranelson7457 I’m over the worst of it now buddy. I can sleep and have my appetite back. I’m never putting myself in that position again.

[@FieldMarshalRommel23]

@@caranelson7457 I’m doing much better now, I’m over the worst of it. I’m prescribed 30mgs of Valium per day to taper off. It’s a huge drop from the 140mgs of alprazolam per week I was taking. I had a huge tolerance and would often take more than that.

[@FieldMarshalRommel23]

@@caranelson7457 I’m doing much better now buddy, i have my appetite back, I can sleep etc. I think I’m over the worst of it.

[@atlas6920]

You can do it! I know you can

[@madhatter8508]

Courtney Love coming in clutch with the rehab! You never hear about how much she's done for other musicians like that.

[@madhatter8508]

@@d4ddyK Yeah same. Just because you dislike somebody, or the media version of them you see on TV, doesn't mean they're guilty of everything they're accused of. Conversely, even people who have done bad things have done good things as well.

[@Ketannabis]

Ah this is perfect

[@joedanker3267]

I still love Nearly Lost You, what a voice, such a cool song from my misspent youth. I, too, plunged to the depths of addiction. I, too, made it out and am living a good life again. But Mark's tales are all too familiar to me. The life of an addict is barely a life at all.

[@Blackkitty32]

Are you still sober?

[@joedanker3267]

@@Blackkitty32 yes indeed I am

[@mattosborne1366]

Amazing writer. This is riveting (and horrifying).

[@sedalia9356]

How strange that this cop tried to be the father he really needed. Perhaps a fan?

[@TommyKing-m3f]

I’m 6’1.5 barefooted and I weigh 170 pounds. I’ve gained a little over 40 pounds since getting sober. For mark to call 165 pounds skeletal makes me feel like I was an actual skeleton at 130 pounds fully clothed in addiction 😂 but I’ve always been skinny. I only weighed around 145 when I graduated high school and that was weight lifting daily and going off to play college ball. I’m so sad I never got to see mark live. It’s my biggest regret ever.

[@nylesfrench3568]

Heavy stuff and sounds like a vibe straight from late 40s film noir flicks. The cop did him a huge solid BTW. He was in Horrendous shape and the Grim Reaper was shadowing him.

[@sandy-quimsrus]

Herion is a cruel mistress. Believe me I know and very glad to make it off Gilligan's Island.

[@sleepyheadbeats4352]

Scary how relatable this story is ain’t it. Good luck staying clean

[@kristiangregory5949]

Where can I find the full audiobook?

[@captaintoyota3171]

Ive been there, yet somehow avoid needles, i duno what it is about IV / IM but watched it destroy friends. Addiction is relative but man so lucky i got out

[@DrCheeks]

I was a big fan of sweet oblivion. Didn’t know much else of the screaming trees stuff. Had no idea Lannegan was such an addict. What strikes me with all of these excerpts from his book is how many chances he kept getting, and ignoring, and the fact that he was actually a pretty selfish arsehole. Yet people still kept doing him favours and helping him.

[@dieselbaby]

Uh yeah, that's called being an addict...getting a ton of chances and ignoring them while being a selfish jerk

[@johnhelms8226]

Intense.

[@dreamingone615]

Man, you can depend on a Coleman. Great product placement.

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

I know Marks suffering I had a really bad year 1998 started in 1995 had to do my time in 2003, but my addiction heroin and Coke never got that bad. For the most part I had a car half the time a place of my own mostly. The worst part that makes me have terrible using dreams I want to go back but I don't. Layne Staley and Mark keep me clean!

[@paulpsycho78]

Their record label gave their biggest hit to the singles soundtrack for free. Cost the band a shit ton of money of sales from sweet oblivion.

[@MarkDonovanMusic]

I don’t even know who he is, but that was a great story and narration!

[@KittyCarlile-490]

Its sad Mark made it past addiction then died of covid

[@royrush5374]

Five minutes in I'd swear it was an hour.

[@neverbettercanada]

U could listen to his book over and over so much color in his speeking u could even crash to this book lol

[@AllBlesssings]

Does anyone know where this is from? Is it an audiobook exceprt?

[@monkeyliver1986]

R.I.P.

[@nathanhuffines]

Welcome to seattle. Its a trap. Its a curse. Dont move here.

[@abraxasjinx5207]

That thumbnail is clearly Bruce McCullough in his KITH role of Bobby.

[@jessiekricke5136]

Is this from his book?

[@nobbynoris]

Which chapter is this from in Sing Backwards And Weep?

[@benjaminmccrary2148]

This is one of the last chapters.

[@kenny-gc3]

Anyone know where the rehab center in California was?

[@megaflux7144]

i feel like the only person who could relate to mark is shane macgowan.

[@nothx962]

Layne was a bro for paging him and warning him.

[@grimgolf79]

Mark "Bukowski" Lanegan

[@sharonmacaluso5967]

party on wayne!

[@josejones7025]

Party on Garth

[@BrandinoTheGod]

I totally thought that thumbnail was Mark Wahlberg in that movie Rockstar lol

[@marcbasil]

Who?

[@neonblack211]

this is his actual voice?

[@robertvanzyl672]

Yes.

[@margaretwebb389]

Awesome!!

[@josephsmith6777]

What book was this from

[@Arahsure]

"sing backwards and weep" Lanegans first memoir. That's him reading it (not sure if you knew or not) he passed away during COVID but finished his 2nd book "Devil in a coma".

[@Rightsideup]

After the visit from the cop, things went downhill quickly. Shit, as if life wasn't a heaping pile of shit already

[@olorinmartinez]

That looks like Theo Von in the thumbnail

[@end2endburners635]

There is no apostrophe in Screaming Trees.

[@paulholmaniii9691]

We are soul brothers...