Tora! Tora! Tora! (1970) 'Confirmation' & Admiral Husband E. Kimmel's famous historical quote

[@garygemmell3488]

For those of you who may not know, the Black sailor who manned the machine gun at 1:20 is Doris B. Miller. He was untrained on how to use the gun but he shot down at least 4 Japanese planes, possibly as many as 6. He was stationed aboard the U.S.S. West Virginia which was sunk during the attack. He was awarded the Navy Cross, the first Black American to be awarded thusly, for his actions that morning. He was killed while serving aboard the escort carrier, Liscome Bay, when it was sunk during the Battle of Makin on November 24, 1943. The Knox-class frigate USS Miller was named after him and was decommissioned in 1991. In 2020 it was announced that CVN-81, the latest Ford-class aircraft carrier would be named after him. It is scheduled to be laid down in 2026 and launched in 2029

[@QuarrellaDeVil]

A few years ago, he was the subject of a Texas Historical Marker placed in front of a YMCA in his hometown of Waco, TX, and the Doris Miller Memorial on the north side of the Brazos is a must-see.

[@hugh-johnfleming289]

I knew a lot of this from school, the '60s, but the latter is nice to hear as well...

[@dougbrowne9890]

An American hero. Bless his name forever.

[@LesterMoore]

Well deserved honor.

[@Nighthawke70]

The Browning Ma Deuce is built for people like Mr Miller. It was simple, easy to operate (Pull handle back twice to charge gun. Grab handles thumbs on triggers, line up the sights on your target and FIRE!) and reliable. Hence why it's still being actively built and lovingly maintained at all service depots worldwide. There will be no replacement for the .50 heavy that's built with rivets.

[@lord.d1_]

You want a confirmation Captain? Take a look! THERE'S YOUR CONFIRMATION!

[@Eric_Hutton.1980]

There is something quite satisfying about the way the line was delivered.

[@mescko]

@@Eric_Hutton.1980 Indeed, this was my Mom's favorite scene.

[@1976yomonita]

Ahí tiene su confirmación Capitán... Que gran escena... Pensé que él era el responsable del ataque a PH.

[@paratrooper990]

you prob shouldnt talk to a superior officer like that but in this case the captain deserves to get owned like that

[@gretchennelson7056]

@@paratrooper990In this case he fucking deserved it

[@MrDavidfarris]

Confirmation was validated in 2012 when a mini sub was finally salvaged from the bottom of the harbor. Easy to ask for confirmation, difficult to get sometimes.

[@magmat0585]

there was another sub that ran aground on the beach. One of the two crew members was captured, making him the first Japanese prisoner of the war.

[@greggweber9967]

​@@magmat0585A pilot who landed on an island was also captured along with the Japanese natives who tried to help him. Others turned him in.

[@garrettjohnson343]

@@greggweber9967 that incident is probably what convinced the FDR admin to intern Japanese's Americans, even though it probably only needed to do that in Hawaii, which was already under Marshal Law throughout the war.

[@douglasmaccullagh7865]

That minisubs in the harbor had fired its torpedos, too. Photographic analysis found the tracks of its two torpedoes running straight to Battleship Row. I always felt for Kaminski. It must be depressing to know you were prevented for doing something that might have saved lives.

[@bjorn1583]

it was actually confirmed during the war when they found one in the harbor, it was cut in half and dumped out in deeper water

[@kevinhealey6540]

This movie was far better than the Pearl Harbour movie they made in 2001 and the Midway film that was made after that. The reason is because all of the actors in this film lived though that time period and as well as most of the actors had been in the service at that time as well. It added to the realism.

[@KazumaPrime]

That's because mature adults who respect history made Tora Tora Tora, and a college fratboy made Pearl Harbor... (hint, the latter went on to make the Transformers series)

[@kevinhealey6540]

@@KazumaPrime Sir, it's a very fine comment and it also shows you're a very fine person.

[@-Emperor-84]

"far better" is such an understatement. That 2001 version simply can't compare - too much love/romance bullshit.

[@rocabraham]

​@@-Emperor-84Too much bullshit.

[@ellenthorne8222]

Absolutely hated Pearl Harbour, saw it at the cinema with my friend who won the tickets so he loose out financially. It couldn't make its mind up war/action or love/romance film. Nevile Brand was brilliant in his scene about confirmation who feel his anger at his superior officer

[@commanderkeen3787]

Man, the stunts in this film are hardcore. Some of them looked downright deadly. The stuntmen really did their jobs

[@sonnyd.6777]

The scene where the the P40 smashes into parked planes was a stunt gone wrong. Lucky no one was hurt and the cameras filmed it at different angles.

[@Foebane72]

3:58 This one, anyone? When the guy is blown off the deck backwards? That looks TOUGH to me!

[@cdev2117]

@@Foebane72 I would take a hard guess here, but it looks like he just let himself fall over the railing after they blew some air and smoke in his face or maybe a harness under his shirt with a rope attached to it, one hard tug and maybe a little speeding up the film. Don't get me wrong, it looks amazing. But in reality he proably fell on a cushy matress.

[@JoseyWales44s]

@@Foebane72 Assume they hit him with an air cannon. It did look deadly on film.

[@ComboMuster]

Absolutely stunning. No CGI cr@p can do better than what they did 50 years ago. Could not believe my eyes.

[@michaelnguyen6730]

The Imperial Japanese Navy borrowed lessons from the Royal Navy when they attacked the Italian Fleet in Taranto one year earlier.

[@geebeeinga]

Mostly overrated hype that the Brits take credit for. While the British raid was generally unsuccessful the Japanese Navy had been conducting exercises and perfecting this type of strike long before the Taranto raid.

[@samsignorelli]

Not really....more accurately, they paid attention to one of the US fleet problems where future Admiral King pulled off pretty much this exact pan...including attacking early in a Sunday. Taranto may have provided some real-world lessons, but the earlier fleet problem exercise was much more of an influence.

[@markfrancis5164]

Yes, we proved a shallow airborne torpedo attack was possible within a harbour. The night attack put fear into the Italian navy who were never a threat in the Med after it.

[@curtiskretzer8898]

🇺🇲NAVY selectively ignored Taranto

[@samsignorelli]

@@curtiskretzer8898 US forces in general ignored actual battlefield experience by others who'd been fighting for a few years....Kassarine Pass comes to mind.

[@goring19]

Lt. Kaminski was played by Neville Brand, who served in Europe, was wounded badly but survived and was one of the United States most decorated soldiers of WWII. He was great in Stalag 17 as well.

[@neilhardie6312]

That's why WW2 movies today can't compare. This was a time when the movies were made by the guys who actually served

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

He was great in a Twilight zone episode where he is a grizzled veteran driving a poor Japanese Gardener played by George takei into murder and suicide.

[@jackreacher5667]

Wasn't he Al Capone in "The Untouchables" as well with Robert Stack?

[@headspaceandtiming2114]

Brand never wanted his military career embellished as you have done here. Keep it to the facts. Brand was a decorated hero, but not even close to the most decorated. He himself discounted the label and if you served, you make it a point to ensure the others who deserve it, get full credit.

[@Motorallyrider]

Brand was sometimes cited in media reports as the 4th most-decorated American serviceman of the war, but this was incorrect and repeatedly denied by Brand himself.

[@michaellynes3540]

2:44 “You wanted confirmation, Captain? Take a look! There’s your confirmation!”

[@LBF522]

I liked this movie in that they did not have a needless love triangle like the Pearl Harbor movie did.

[@mrz80]

Heh... That was how Ebert's review summed up that Michael Bay excrescence - "The Japanese attack an American love triangle." :P

[@darthslackus499]

@@mrz80 We, the audience, got lost in the love triangle. Not in a good way, but lost like in the Bermuda Triangle.

[@jamjardj1974]

A needless movie.

[@doughesson]

Pearl Harbor was a fairly good war movie until they turned it into a chick flick.

[@wolfshanze5980]

You know what I don't like about Pearl Harbor? It has sand... I don't like sand... it's hard and it's course, and it gets into everything.

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

One of few war movies that stuck with reality yet made it a suspenseful movie worth watching.

[@331SVTCobra]

It was a great suspense-movie. The shoot-em-up at the end was red meat, but not the point of the movie. I saw the movie when I was ten and was bored until the attack scenes, and proclaimed the movie was great. I didn't even recognize the anachronisms and artistic license that was taken with many of the scenes. I saw the movie again recently. The intrigue was quite suspenseful and really well done. Realizing that CGI wasn't a thing back then, the models and B-17s with tail guns were excusable. But the American actors were awful and the Japanese actors were brilliant. I'd like to see this story redone as an eight part miniseries. Even better: a three season miniseries. Pearl Harbor to Midway to Guadalcanal to Leyte Gulf, along with submarine actions.

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

@@331SVTCobra would be quite a project but agreed it could be done with great intrigues.

[@pcbacklash_3261]

The most astounding (and least well-known) fact about this horrific attack is that, in the end, the U.S. Navy eventually ended up losing only THREE ships: Arizona, Oklahoma and Utah. Every other ship was either completely unscathed or ultimately repaired and returned to service. Damage control and reclamation win wars, too!

[@Malbeefance]

The Shaw was also a total loss. If I remember correctly, either the Cassin or the Downes was not returned to service. Not 100% sure. It's been a long time since I studied the battle.

[@kenherrera2819]

The Japanese failed to hit the dry docks and also didn't take out the fuel tank farm. A HUGE tactical failure that allowed the U.S. Navy to recover very quiickly from the attack.

[@robertkyle2947]

​@@kenherrera2819Mo Mo

[@MW-eb1qh]

How is that the least well-known fact? Anyone with at least rudimentary knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor should know this. Pennsylvania, Tennessee, California, Maryland, and West Virginia, all participated in the Battle of Leyte Gulf, and (especially West Virginia) were able to give the IJN some payback.

[@stevek8829]

@@MW-eb1qhthey crossed the T at Leyte. Yes, it's common knowledge but most posters here are fairly young.

[@Hank13608]

"Confirmation"--one of the most powerfully delivered lines in all movies--the actor Neville Brand--WWII Silver Star and Purple Heart recipient.

[@Theearthtraveler]

"There's you're confirmation!!" is the best line in the movie!

[@Hank13608]

@@fernandocarloto2291 Oh, give him a break--his assessment is spot on.

[@nontew85]

Dude it just hits differently seeing these real life sets and models with real explosions, as well as the sound effects of the plains and impacts… this can’t compare to what they would rather do today if they remade the scene.

[@Jo_Wardy]

Well that made midway movie. With pearl harbour attack

[@codename1176]

@@Jo_Wardy yeah the cgi there was so obviously cgi it was comical.

[@douglaslorin739]

​@@codename1176 When compared to the Pearl Harbor movie the Japanese CGI planes in Midway at least wore the proper paint schemes. And with regard to using real planes, if you know someone who has 100 assorted authentic Zeros, Vals, and Kates squirreled away in a hangar, let us know!

[@tr6431]

They would make it like fast and the furious goes WWII with two planes racing around and destroying half the Japanese air force.. Oh wait.. That was the Pearl Harbor Movie... my bad.

[@Pooch511]

One of upside of 1970. Most of the planes were still around and in decent condition. ​@douglaslorin739

[@andrewcarter7503]

No CGI back then. Like the film of the Battle of Britain. "We need 20 planes in this shot" "OK, go get 20 planes".

[@piotrmalewski8178]

If you're into that sort of thing, I highly recommend Soviet series of movies 'Liberation' (Освобождение). There is a bit of propaganda in it, like Stalin being a good guy, but the battle scenes are breathtaking. You have wide open shots with hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops 'fighting' on the field, whole steppe up to horizon set on fire to make a good battle shot, and on top of that, historicall WWII airplanes, all of this on one shot. Just for the battle scenes it's a must watch, I think not even Hollywood ever managed to make an actual WWII battle scene that big.

[@Tim.NavVet.EN2]

Also: Waterloo. The Soviets bent over backwards and gave the Production all assistance! 13,000 soldiers, correct tactical (1815) training, reproductions of period cannons, well trained cavalry units, sets, etc.!!! That scene (filmed from a helicopter) where you see the sun glinting off the bayonets of the regiments of soldiers marching in the background were actually thousands of Soviet Army guys, in the correct uniforms of the Regiments that they were representing marching in the Napoleonic War formations!

[@otaniesa]

A bridge too far and the Battle of Britain also fit in

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

The cost to make this movie was a whole lot more than what it cost the IJN to attack Pearl Harbor.

[@Imnotyourdoormat]

Marty Balsam didn't want to say that famous line, and tried to wiggle out of it best he could. But the writers insisted. It was both history and a pivotal point in the movie. Later after reviewing the film Balsam agreed it should be in there. The whole thing doesn't sound to me like him he was an agreeable and likable guy anyway.

[@Rutherford_Inchworm_III]

Husband Kimmel deserved to be punished just for having such a stupid name.

[@calcrappie8507]

Captain "Confirmation" out enjoying his tour of duty in Hawaii. We've all seen these types in the military. They are worthless indeed.

[@davenewsom5985]

Yup, as well as Ignorant & Arrogant. Sad

[@FIREBRAND38]

It was Sunday morning in peacetime. What would _you_ be doing?

[@KororaPenguin]

"Did you even GO to OCS, you complete and utter BOOT!?" -- JoshScorcher, "Top Ten Hated Characters We're Supposed to Like", talking about Adam Malkovich from _Metroid: Other M_

[@dogbarbill]

Pearl Harbor actually happened ten years before I was born. Even my father was just seven years old when it happened, but he's told me about the effect it had on this country, and how this country came together overnight. I watch this movie every year on or around December 7th. It's one of my favorites.

[@Kirke182]

My father joined the Navy the very next day and spent the war in Guadalcanal.

[@davidtonner4247]

The sad thing is that as bad as it was the best thing that could have happened was being caught in the harbor. If the fleet had been caught in open water there would have been no salvage. All but 2 ships damaged in the raid returned to service and casualties would have been much worse.

[@rwboa22]

Also it was good that all of the aircraft carriers at that time were not there at Pearl Harbor, but at naval bases in California and Norfolk, which after the attack, saw the emergence of the aircraft carrier as capital ships at the expense of the battleships the Imperial Japanese Navy attacked and destroyed.

[@DavidOfWhitehills]

In open water ships would have been able to manouvre, and, being fully manned, would have gone to action stations much faster, closing up the bulkheads etc. They would have been much harder to hit and much more resilient when they were. Also, besides missing the carriers, the raid failed to destoy the strategic oil reserves and the crucial drydocks and repair docks at Pearl Harbour.

[@HDreamer]

Despite hindsight talk about destroying the oil reserves and repair docks, the japanese IIRC didn't even have the planes necessary to carry bombs heavy enough to actually destroy or at least damage them long term in 1941 and certainly not carrier based.@@DavidOfWhitehills

[@worldcomicsreview354]

​@@HDreamerA third wave attack was planned to bomb them, but the damage looked so great / the morale (and thus exaggerations) of the aircrews so high, the Japanese commanders decided they'd done enough and cancelled it.

[@HDreamer]

I am aware, but I still think that even had they done the third wave it wouldn't have really changed much. @@worldcomicsreview354

[@shawnps69]

My father in law had 3 cousins on the Arizona. They're still on it. Remember all of those who served in WW2.

[@normankarraker4818]

❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@christiangibbs8534]

God bless them and their loved ones.

[@Nighthawke70]

When ADM Nimitz received notification that he was given CINCPACFLT, his wife congratulated him. Chester's response was "but all my ships are at the bottom of the ocean". Which honestly was not the full truth, but nearly there.

[@keithbrown8814]

I think he had 3 carriers which were, obviously, not at pearl that Sunday morning......

[@Nighthawke70]

@keithbrown8814 We did. YORKTOWN, HORNET, and LEXINGTON were at sea. The IJN were relying on one or two to be at Pearl. This missve cost them dearly at Coral Sea, the Doolittle Raid, and Midway.

[@keithbrown8814]

@@Nighthawke70 they heavily damaged most of the WW1 navy....the "future of warfare" materiel was left untouched....sidepoint.......several battleships damaged in the attack would be raised from the "mud" and contribute again.... Leyte Gulf....huge naval victory for US!!!

[@douglasmaccullagh7865]

Saratoga was in the Pacific, too, but she was in port on the west coast for repairs.

[@keithbrown8814]

I'm curious....I know that King was in charge of both Oceans......but could he give Nimitz a direct order??.....also could Leahy give King a direct order????

[@georgefspicka5483]

It may not have the special effects of the 2001 film, but its story is far, far better. Congratulations to both film crews.

[@daskritterhaus5491]

ya leave it up to hollyweird to turn it into a harlequin romance. they really really got a problem with the truth now dont they.

[@MattKearneyFan1]

The 2001 film should never be talked about

[@MarkzOng]

Oh please Michael Bay flim could not even hold a candle to this one. What are you taking about.

[@chrislondo2683]

@@MattKearneyFan1, the only shot I liked was when the bomb diving down towards the Arizona.

[@simony2801]

The 2001 film was so bad I started to cheer the Japanese 😀

[@dagger6467]

Tora, Tora, Tora and The Longest Day are 2 of my favorite WW2 movies.

[@rickjohnson9558]

Complacency kills. True in 1941. True today. Eternally true.

[@wbm3787]

I gave you a thumbs up for Sleestak.🤠

[@gvs376]

Fail to prepare? Prepare to fail.

[@Edi_J]

@@gvs376 Japs could not win that war, no matter what. Starting it was in the sole interest of the US. Washington gave the Japanese "the offer they had to refuse", and this was the reason the war was inevitable. Atack on Hawaii was the obvious target, and US intelligence had enough warnings to be sure it will be Pearl Harbor. Zero surprise. The "only" "small" issue was that NOBODY thought that Japanese fleet is capable of doing so much damage to so many battleships moored in the shallow narrow channel and guarded by airfields and anti-air batterries. The base was too shallow for air torpedoes and carrier-based aircraft wasn't thought to be capable of precisely dropping bombs strong enough to damage a battleship. It was still "battleship era" and despite both Bismarck sinking and Taranto attack, both Japanese skill and tech were severely underestimated by US intelligence. Brits made the same mistake a few days later at Kuantan. Washington intentionally allowed Pearl Harbor fiasco to happen to gather public support for the war, and even with all the underestimation: 1) carriers were not destroyed what allowed for US Navy to fight the war in the new "aircraft era" 2) docking facilities were not destroyed what allowed to recommision most of the "destroyed" battleships.

[@patrickporter1864]

Racism kills. They did not believe the japs could pull it off. When the commander of the flying tigers reported the existence of the then new zero fighter being trialed in China he was told that such a fight with the specs he provided could not be built. The sub text being if we cannot build it then certainly the japs could not.

[@moreygloss9248]

True, so true. The trump-biden conspiracy to keep us with a round earth, fake moon landing and chemtrails is a commie china plot to allow abortions in the whitehouse infirmary and gay sex in subnarines.

[@Rawkstar1960]

I was so young when I first saw this movie in my local theater I forgot how many great actors there were in it. Neville Brand, GD Spradlin, Martin Balsam, Richard Andersen.

[@matthewdunham1689]

Same here!

[@dudovich13]

Saw this at the Pantages in Hollywood with assigned seats.

[@yamatomushashi5583]

Richard Anderson alsp played the role of Steve Austin's (Lee Majors' role) boss in the TV series "The Six Million Dollar Man".

[@jaimeosbourn3616]

@@yamatomushashi5583 He was also in "Forbidden Planet".

[@leondillon8723]

2:46) This had to be one of Brand's best scenes. He was out there. Was awarded almost as many medals as Audie Murphy.

[@Hal-k8p]

No he wasn't. He didn't have anywhere near the number and types of medals Murphy had. Brand himself has denied that claim. Brand had a Silver Star and Purple Heart. Everything else were just "I was there" medals.

[@FIREBRAND38]

Horsecrap. Neville Brand had a Silver Star, a Purple Heart and an automatic Bronze Star for Merit. So calm down.

[@leondillon8723]

@@FIREBRAND38 Prior to Viet Nam there was only ONE WAY to get a Bronze Star. THE HARD WAY. ON the front. NO "V" device to show that it was a combat award.

[@FIREBRAND38]

@@leondillon8723 Calm down, you're wrong. The V device was added because it could always be awarded for merit. I said automatic because of the 1947 policy stating _The Bronze Star Medal (without the "V" device) may be awarded to each member of the Armed Forces of the United States who, after 6 December 1941, was cited in orders or awarded a certificate for exemplary conduct in ground combat against an armed enemy between 7 December 1941 and 2 September 1945. For this purpose, the US Army's Combat Infantryman Badge or Combat Medical Badge award is considered as a citation in orders._ So basically, every Soldier who received a CIB or CFMB in WW2 received a Bronze Star w/o V device *for merit.* Since its inception it was awarded with a *V* device for valorous action or w/o for merit in a war zone. So, hush.

[@mosesgutierrez-qk3ze]

My father was a WW2 veteran every time he saw this movie Version of Pearl Harbor it mad him mad

[@JB-yb4wn]

Don't know why, it really went down that way. Maybe you mean the awful 2001 version of Pearl Harbor?

[@MichaelCorryFilms]

​​@@JB-yb4wnHe probably meant mad at the Japanese because of what happened and the events in the movie, not so much the movie itself. My grandfather was in the Pacific too and he was the same.

[@JB-yb4wn]

@@MichaelCorryFilms I think your father would have went ballistic at the 2001 Pearl Harbor. That movie should never had been made.

[@MichaelCorryFilms]

@@JB-yb4wn He did. He was nostalgic for the time but the movie was terrible of course. He was a boatswain mate and lost a bunch of friends during the naval action around Okinawa so seeing that abomination of a movie tweaked him.

[@Some_Guy_6]

@@MichaelCorryFilms Fun fact = The U.S, by sinking the Japanese subs. Is an act of war, so technically the U.S started the war with Japan.

[@TheFlutecart]

I've seen this film so many times as a kid, because it's really really good. But I always follow it up with the other one, Midway. I joined the US Navy, 89-93, I think these films helped inspire me to sign up. I actually got the USS Lexington AVT-16 as my first ship, I can not describe the chills and feelings I had when I first stepped on board the Lady Lex. I was a little choked up and teary eyed with pride. I had the pleasure of working in nearly every department of that ship for two years, Deck 1st div -Supply Captains Country -Engineering E div - and Air V2. The flight deck crash of October 89 was my first sea cruise. After decommissioning the Lex, the Navy sent me to the USS Normandy CG-60 and straight into war. True story. I got my US Navy Adventure for sure. I only got out to save a doomed marriage.

[@kidd_gallahad2512]

I've been married twice and mobilized for OIF twice. I think managing a war is easier than being married sometimes.

[@TheFlutecart]

​@@kidd_gallahad2512 Reminds me of that Grateful Dead song on Terrapin Station, The Storyteller.

[@MW-eb1qh]

Lady Lex was the nickname of CV-2, sunk at The Battle of the Coral Sea. I was not aware the nickname carried over to CV/CVA/CVS/CVT/AVT-16.

[@TheFlutecart]

@@MW-eb1qh The Name was carried over in 1942, 11 Battle Stars in WW2. She's a museum in Corpus Christy.

[@MW-eb1qh]

@@TheFlutecart I understand the Lexington name was carried over to CV-16. I've just never seen CV-16 referred to by the nickname of Lady Lex as CV-2 was.

[@Dabhach1]

Admiral Kimmel got a very bad rap after the attack, but in fact, he was thrown under the bus by Washington. They may not have been certain that an attack was incoming -- contrary to some of the conspiracy theories -- but the certainly knew that Japanese technology had advanced to the point where they would have been able to torpedo ships at anchor in the shallow waters of Pearl. They never shared that knowledge with Kimmel, who had to balance the security of deploying anti-torpedo nets against the disruption they would have caused to warships passing in and out of port. He was a very capable officer and had he been made privy to that intelligence, he would certainly have made different dispositions prior to the attack. Washington was covering its own backside in the aftermath.

[@andrewnlarsen]

Out of the two officers...Kimmel is the more sympathetic one here in comparison to his army counterpart Short.

[@marksprague1280]

If you can find a copy, read "And I Was There", by Edwin T. Layton. Layton was Kimmel's Intelligence Officer and was kept in that role by Nimitz. Layton and Joe Rochefort, who commanded the cryptoanylist unit "Hypo" were the architects of the Midway Miracle that changed the course of the war in the Pacific. He was there on the inside through the entire war, saw it all, and pulls no punches.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

If you read between the lines at what is going on in this movie, Roosevelt knew and wanted this bombing to happen and he and his set up Kimmel as a fall guy. This allowed Roosevelt to get into the war in Europe to help “Uncle Joe” Stalin by having Germany’s ally Japan declare war on us. Going in through the back door, so to speak. Following this Roosevelt devotes most our resources to Europe and allows Wake Island and The Phillippines (American territory with American citizens and soldiers at war) to be overrun by Japan. More has come out since this movie with the Freedom of Information Act. We could have defeated Japan a lot sooner.

[@marksprague1280]

@@classicgunstoday1972 If when the movie closely you old have note that the President's office was NOT privy to the data that the code breakers were turning out. According to Layton, the intelligence bottleneck is due to the Redmond Brothers who were building their own little fiefdom in the DC bureaucracy, with the permission or active connivence of Kelly Turner.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

@@marksprague1280 well...exactly. Plausible deniability. “I didn’t know.” Part of reading between the lines is noticing and scratching your head (like the officers were) what was building up on the ground was deliberately NOT going to the Commander in Chief FDR. Plus the deliberate vagueness of messages to Admiral Kimmel. How ill equipped the Army and Navy were for basic needed things to identify possible attack. Warnings that were oddly ignored.

[@TheSaltydog07]

Love this film, especially Neville Brand (I wish my WWII Dad could see his Japanese daughter-in-law and his beautiful granddaughter, Luna. 🌹🌹)

[@wolfhawg]

Confirmation was one of the best lines in that great movie.

[@zanac1868]

I have this movie and ever war, western, comedy, and drama that I can remember from my childhood and adding more every month. I am sooo happy that I can watch a real well made movie with good acting or even bad acting. Why? Because I don't see boobs, bodies bumping, hundreds of dirty words instead of dialogue. Really men, real woman, various stories. It makes my Saturdays stress free and content. 😊

[@mariaeddycesario3067]

Doing the same, here. Have a collection of James Cagney, Bette Davis movies.

[@sheilatruax6172]

Me, too. I am so tired of the stuff Hollyweird is making these days, I'd rather look on the computer for older movies. In general, they're better.

[@rickgehring7507]

Considering the level of technology they had at the time of this movie, it still looks good, yes you can tell they are models and firecracker explosions...but when this came out people still had imaginations

[@DomWeasel]

Comparatively, the Bay film looks awful because they blatantly use modern US navy ships as stand ins with huge fiery explosions that simply aren't realistic for the weapons used. Not to mention WW2 aircraft moving like X-Wings...

[@STP43FAN1]

The attacking planes showing no formationsl discipline really detracts from the 2001 film. TORA made sure to get as much right as possible right down to formational discipline

[@thevoid99]

you can't beat real and practical effects. there's an authenticity to it as miniatures have this air of realism that can't be done with CGI.

[@claremontcowboy7409]

@@STP43FAN1 If you're put off by 'formational discipline' in a movie then you might need to go for an autism diagnosis buddy

[@STP43FAN1]

Claremont Cowboy what business do you have objecting to a valid factual point I made? Yes you should be put off by the sloppiness of the 2001 film; your criticism here is out of line

[@virgilioisaaccabreravelazq8842]

Notable la recreación d ela batalla, mucho más realista d elo que alguien hubiera pensado, estamos hablando de hace ¡50 AÑOS! y no le pide nada a los efectos especiales de ahora, es más, como no había efectos generdados por computadora se ve más real y los extras realmente se la rifan. Un diez

[@pezdiablito]

Saw this one in the theatre with my dad in 1970, at 8 years old! It set my path in motion! I had Navy posters on my walls up until I joined the Marine Corps in '79 at 17! Even then the civilian pukes were still spittin' on us! No one wanted to serve, and a lot of my mates were there with the option of serve the state(prison) or serve the country! We were a rag tag group of misfits if there ever was one! I got assigned to LVTs so I got to do a lot of Sea Duty, and see most of the South Pacific, missed Australia though, so I never got Shellback'd! My only regret! Semper Fi! YAT-YAS! o7

[@if6was929]

"Even then the civilian pukes were still spittin' on us! " never happened!

[@jeep146]

Depends where you were at. Here in south Texas it's always been a heavy military area. I call these years after the Vietnam war to Panama the rebuilding years. Heroes no one mentions because no wars were fought. Yet without that rebuilding the military would of been a shambles.

[@pezdiablito]

@jeep146 Signed up from Houston! California is where I witnessed the 💩 talkers, but plenty of love back home in the Lone Star State!

[@joshkarena3058]

I recently brought this DVD "Tora Tora" from my local Opp Shop and watched it for the first time. Amazing movie played in both English and Japanese

[@bricksarecool2322]

Go to 0:52 then right after he says I want confirmation skip to 2:42

[@fooman2108]

Ward would also claim to have hit the sub TWICE with 3-inch fire, THEN rammed, hit (said they felt a 'shudder') and sunk the sub. When the sub was found 55 years later.... the sub had two holes in it and a large DENT aft of the conning tower. Ward is now OFFUCIALKY acknowledged to have the first submarine kill of the war!

[@mark.8949]

and they fired the first American shot of WW 2, this happened before the planes attacked Pearl Harbor.

[@mrdanno7965]

My favorite scene was Japanese airplanes taking off the aircraft carriers at dawn. Beautiful sunrise scenes

[@rickbowser3308]

That was actual ( captured) war footage from the morning of Dec 7th.

[@peterkropotkin6224]

Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, and his Army counterpart General Walter C. Short, may not have been completely blameless for the disaster of the Japanese aerial assault on Oahu. It is also true, that they were convenient scapegoats which deflected blame from other actors and parties who were no more or less guilty of negligence. The "success" (however limited tactically and strategically) of Japan's Pearl Harbor attack was in large part a broad failure of intelligence, communication, and strategic thinking from the Americans.

[@wbm3787]

May I suggest that you acquaint yourself with Adimral Nimitz perspective on Pearl Harbor

[@peterkropotkin6224]

@@wbm3787 What was it?

[@wbm3787]

@@peterkropotkin6224 In short Nimitz's take on the attack was the US got off lightly at Pearl Harbor. If Adimral Kimmal had had intel of an imminiant attack he would almost certainly sortie the fleet and attempt to intercept the Japanese task force, with the result that the US would have had capital ships at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean instead of the bottom of Pearl Harbor.

[@peterkropotkin6224]

@@wbm3787 But it was carrier air power that prevailed and rendered the age of the gunship obsolete. If the battleships had been lost it wouldn't have made a difference. If the carriers were lost it would have been bad, but the U.S. would still have won the naval war of attrition in the long-term. Second, this doesn't miss the fact that Kimmel and Short, like Charles McVeigh in the Indianapolis sinking, were singled out to protect the military from institutional failings and shortcomings.

[@wbm3787]

@@peterkropotkin6224 Our Carriers were not present at pearl harbor (thank God) but they would have been if Kimmel had storied the fleet, so we'd have lost some of both. Further, a commander is responsible for his command. Period.....full stop. There will always be a cloud in battle /war. No commander will ever have anything like perfect intel. Kimmel and Short knew this as well as any.

[@LeatherneckJoe133]

I was stationed in Hawaii at Kaneohe Marine Corps air station in 68-69 I saw the Japanese formation flying over while standing in formation for work detail, and before I left for Vietnam I got to see the early release of the movie..I was 18 and remembering back it feels like it was yesterday..54 years ago yikes

[@tonkingulfyachtclub8111]

I was there too, March, 1969, aboard the USS Tripoli, when all those WWII propeller planes were flying all over Ford Island. We had no idea what was going on at the time. The were filming Tora Tora Tora.

[@roldanrobles8563]

I was stationed at K-bay 1980-84. I was on the air wing side of the base. I was a cook at "Pless Hall" dining facility. Best 4 years of my life. Semper Fi to all my Marine brothers and sisters. OOHRAH!🇺🇸

[@LeatherneckJoe133]

@ that was my favorite duty station..when I was there we opened up barracks that was shut down because the First Marine brigade was pulled out of Vietnam and stationed there, I was a combat engineer shore party..it’s been over 50 some years now..me and 4 other Marines volunteered to Vietnam Semper Fi Marine…OohraH

[@glowgirl8171]

This movie!!!! It will always be in my top ten greatest movies of all time. A masterpiece that can't be touched. THERE'S MY CONFIRMATION!

[@cwilkinsoncwcw]

One of the best war films seen it many times

[@mrdanno7965]

Totally agree. Although I remember Roger Ebert hating the movie when it first came out

[@russellcampbell9198]

I, too, think it's a good one. The closer to the event, the better the film - mostly.

[@JB-yb4wn]

@@mrdanno7965 Yes. His comments were pretty stupid as he was expecting something along a John Wayne flick. He couldn't handle all that realism. Thank goodness he is but a faint memory in most people's minds these days.

[@josephmassaro]

Oscar Goldman wants confirmation before he sends in Steve Austin.

[@renatovicenziofrancesconis4476]

O a Jamie Summers... 😂📽️🎞️🤜🏻🤛🏻👍🏻👏🏻🇨🇱

[@KoolKman]

And don't forget Bionic Bigfoot

[@thomastarwater2989]

Richard Anderson, who played a fat-headed Navy captain in TORA TORA TORA (1978), also played a Navy admiral in the television series PEARL (1978) which used a lot of footage from the former production. TORA TORA TORA received an Academy Award in the Best Special Visual Effects category for the amazing work done by L.B. Abbott and A.D. Flowers. Although L.B. Abbott officially retired after making this movie, he was actually active during the 1970s, working on such big-budget productions as THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE (1972), THE TOWERING INFERNO (1974), THE SWARM (1978), WHEN TIME RAN OUT (1980), and a number of television movies--all made by his good buddy Irwin Allen.

[@gordonmills2748]

And played Oscar Goldman in The Six Million Dollar Man.

[@JB-yb4wn]

Shows how wrong Roger Ebert was about this great film. He actually liked the Michael Bay version better, (of course he was paid off).

[@Hal-k8p]

Tora Tora Tora was 1970, not 1978.

[@thomastarwater2989]

@@Hal-k8p Aw, crap. My bad. I meant 1970!

[@Hal-k8p]

@@thomastarwater2989 I have no doubt. :)

[@hirisk761]

during the filming, they actually used the Nevada to reenact her charge out of port. unfortunately the cameras missed most of the shot and all you see is her stern exiting to the right. they only had 1 shot to get it right and failed

[@larrypatty8333]

Sorry, not possible. The Nevada was part of the atomic tests at Bikini Atoll in 1946. Heavily radioactive from the tests, she was sunk by naval gunfire in 1948, more than 20 years before this movie was made.

[@patkinder6632]

​@@larrypatty8333exactly right some people need to read some history don't they , thanks for setting the record straight !

[@mattosullivan9687]

This was a really good movie. I was 7 and saw it in the theatre. The problem was not many folks wanted to pay good money to see Americans lose. 6 Years later when Midway came out it was a smash hit

[@SpeccyMan]

Learning to lose is as important as learning to win. The lessons learned whilst losing are those that teach you how to win.

[@johnemerson1363]

Many people don't realize that failure to destroy the oil tank farms, supply system and the ship repair facilities turned a brilliant tactical victory into the first strategic defeat. The USS Enterprise task force entered Pearl Harbor Monday morning December 8th and refueled, rearmed, reprovisioned and were back at sea before dawn on Tuesday, December 9th. They sank a bunch of ships but did not damage the base.

[@michaelvoisey8458]

Great film but it would have been nice if some details were given about what happened to the featured historical characters ,for instance the 2 Army fighter pilots and the Major commanding the B 17 flight and the others the 2 intelligence officers and the others

[@jlwilliams]

Cmdr Joseph Rochefort, the head of Hawaii's code-breaking unit ("Station Hypo") had a sad story. A new edition of the IJN code had come into use four days before Pearl Harbor, so his team was in the dark about it... but by the end of the year they had made significant progress. And it was Rochefort who thought up the idea of figuring out the IJN's identifier for Midway by planting a fake transmission about their desalinization plant breaking down. But his career was systematically sabotaged and credit for his achievements stolen by Rear Admiral Joseph R. Redman, his brother Captain John R. Redman, and his deputy, Commander Joseph N. Wenger, who wanted to centralize radio intelligence in Washington under their control. [per historian Ian Toll's book _Pacific Crucible_.]

[@richardbeckenbaugh1805]

The fact that they missed the carriers and the sub base proved to be their undoing. If the US had a reliable torpedo at the start of the war, the battle for Guadalcanal would have been much different and the navy estimated that the war would have been over a year earlier. The PT boats were equipped with the same defective torpedo that the submarines were. JFK fired four torpedoes at a group of destroyers and transports. Three exploded prematurely. The fourth had a low expectation of hitting any target. It was observed to hit a transport without sinking it. It was beached and abandoned. Of the 68 torpedoes fired by PT boats in the slot, most prematurely exploded. Of those that hit, most were duds. All ran between 4 and 6 feet deeper than set. Torpedoes fired at oblique angles that were given low probability of hitting almost invariably struck home. If PT-109 hadn’t had defective torpedoes, JFK might not have become president.

[@nobonespurs]

mark14s

[@patkinder6632]

And the oil tanks that would've supplied the fleet , without that fuel the fleet would've had to withdraw to the west Coast, Nagumo decided not to launch another strike to hit that fuel storage and the support facilities

[@rizon72]

An interesting thing with the mis-identification of the incoming planes. According to Battle Plan Orange, the battle plan if war breaks out against Japan, one of the key areas was the Philippines. The navy figured it would be lost, army didn't like that so a plan was made. B-17s could island hop from the mainlands, to Hawaii, and using such islands as Wake and Midway go to the Philippines. It was because of this strategy why both carriers were out of the harbor that day. They were delivering air squadrons to those islands as intelligence knew war was coming. Enterprise was actually supposed to have returned on the 6th but weather and refueling delayed the return. Remember, they were out because of this island hopping the B-17s would do. B-17s, sound familiar for anyone studying Pearl Harbor. Yep, that's right, the flight of B-17s which arrived were to be the first group to head to the Philippines. They were to arrive on Sunday morning, Dec. 7th. Now, because the planes were coming in, the radio station would broadcast so planes from the mainland could home in on the signal. A guy driving into work on base heard the radio station broadcasting and understood that they were to have a flight come in. So, when the radar station called about a inbound flight he naturally assumed it was this flight. If those B-17s had come in Saturday, and he heard no radio on the way into work, things might have been different.

[@Lee-70ish]

Why they made that crap film Pearl Habour is beyond me when they already had the best account by far in TORA TORA TORA

[@NyuuMikuru1]

They found the sub at some time ago. Right where it said the conning tower.

[@Hank13665]

Maybe my favorite scene from the movie--one of my favorite scenes from all movies--Neville Brand was terrific!

[@Rick-mx5kh]

Neville Brand was a great underrated actor.

[@dinklehimerschlitz9111]

Looks like a gritty down to earth guy.

[@robinjackson7882]

The scene in The Longest Day when the German cannot convince his superior officer that the invasion force has arrived is reminiscent of this scene.

[@Hank13665]

Thanks for the heads up--I've been wanting to watch TLD again--I haven't seen it since it first came out.@@robinjackson7882

[@johnmurray8835]

Great movie!!! Outstanding scene with the great character actor Neville Brand!!!

[@driverjeff1498]

Doris Miller manning the water cooled 30 cal.

[@WmRob]

Take a moment to appreciate the detail in the miniature models.

[@dnola6887]

It's appropriate to see this clip on the 22nd anniversary of 9/11. Because what happened at Pearl Harbor happened on 9/11 for the same reason: A nation at peace was thinking the thoughts of a peaceful nation, not a nation at war. Threats that a nation at peace thought it could let pass turned out to be deadly. The Japanese could not have pulled off this attack on January 7, 1942: The US was at war. Likewise, suicide hijacking attempts would have failed on October 11, 2001 (remember the Shoe Bomber failure soon after?) Of course, a nation at war can overreact: The internment of Japanese Americans, the Iraq war; threats that a nation at peace will decide are not dangerous, can seem too dangerous to a nation at war. In fairness to Capt. Earle, aka Capt. Confirmation, there was no Combat Information Center concept at the time, even for military bases. There had been a lot of false submarine sightings at that time, and the Ward's captain, Lt. Commander Outerbridge had taken command of the Ward on December 5th and was on his first patrol. The true failure here was not by Adm Kimmel or Lt. Gen. Short: It was Washington. As soon as Washington knew that the Japanese Ambassador was demanding a Sunday morning meeting with Sec. of State Hull, a war warning should have been sent out, ordering all forces to go to full alert at least a few hours before the scheduled appointment. Instead, they waited until they had translated the last section of the orders to the Japanese ambassador, before sending out a general war warning. Even here, the message would arrive only after the attack was well under way. The true failure of December 7th, however, actually took place on December 8th, in the Philippines. Despite having warning of the Pearl Harbor attack, MacArthur froze, refusing to send his bombers to attack Japanese bases in Formosa. He seems to have been desperately hoping that Japan would bypass the PI, a foolish hope. The reason for this is that MacA had convinced Washington to change its strategy of a withdrawal to the Bataan Peninsula, where, with plenty of food, ammo and medicine, behind good fortifications, the American forces would wait for relief. MacA convinced Washington to let him build up the PI army, protecting the Philippines with B-17 air power projection. The problem? When Japan attacked, the army buildup was just beginning and nowhere near ready, and despite receiving a lot of B-17s, the air power wasn't ready. Worse, MacA had completely abandoned the previous plan. There was plenty of ammo on Bataan, but no food or medicine. Then, on December 8th, local time, after the planes had been sent up to avoid a possible attack on Clark Field, they landed to refuel... just in time to for the Japanese to attack and destroy American air power in the Philippines, dooming any defense possibilities. MacA sinned FAR worse than anything Kimmel or Short did but would get the chance they didn't to redeem himself.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Heck the reason why kimmel was in command because the last guy didn't want the fleet at pearl. And the war games dine in the thirties litteraly predicted this attack

[@piotrmalewski8178]

There is quite a big difference. Japanese pulled out this attack because they thought they had no other choice to maintain their security. The 9/11 attacks on the other hand, were inspired by religious fanatism, nothing more. In other words, Japane believed it was making a clever gambit to ensure own survival. The terrorists on the other hand, did what they did only because Q**** book says infidels should be killed and doing so grants them place in heaven.

[@nobonespurs]

wrong- - world was at war 2 YEARS - gop blocked us fighting hitler, japs would not have attacked if we entered earlier

[@dfirth224]

This is THE best movie about Pearl Harbor. Historically accurate and no computer animation. I saw this in the theater back in 1970.

[@jerryrose9109]

I saw this movie in 1970 in a theater. I was a U.S. Air Force veteran who had returned home in 1967 after 2.5 years in Japan. I later married the girl who was my date that night.

[@LordZontar]

"It would have been merciful if it had killed me."

[@kokwahgoh1932]

I read that the a remote controlled P40s ran out of control and it crashed into others, the crew really ran for their lives.

[@andypandywalters]

Actually my favourite scene from the film.

[@PointyTailofSatan]

Here's an interesting fact about Martin Balsam. He was the original voice of HAL in the movie 2001. But in post production, Kubrick felt Balsam sounded a little too much American. So he replaced Balsams voice with Douglas Rain, a Canadian Shakespearian stage actor.

[@trwent]

This is a great film. Much better than the awful "Pearl Harbor" made many years later.

[@JohnCampbell-rn8rz]

One of the best war movies ever made. No CGI, and real history. No bullshit.

[@josephpadula2283]

When I sailed on Merchant ships the chief engineer told me they were pulling in to Hawaii And they were filming tora tora tora. Everyone on the island knew what was going on but the ship was a week underway and it was not in the NOTAMS. The captain saw the Zeros attacking and said “They are doing it again! “ And turned the ship around!

[@dan2797]

Damn I’m sorry I know it’s not funny but I laughed reading that.

[@1JamesMayToGoPlease]

I wish CC were enabled :(

[@anonymousaardvarkinnigeria8721]

his *name* is husband? his mom seriously named her baby "husband"?? she'd call her son saying "oh husband, darling, it's breakfast time" and DIDN'T think that was weird?

[@dcwinebuff]

Many ships were firing regular artillery shells (not anti-aircraft) at the Japanese planes, in which it is virtually impossible to make a direct hit. Problem is that those shells have to land somewhere, and many did, in downtown Honolulu and other civilian areas. Just like machine gunners firing horizontally at low-flying planes - a lot of rounds were hitting other ships and the navy yards.

[@stevechance150]

Admiral Yamamoto, who planned the attack on Pearl Harbor, reportedly wrote in his diary, “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

[@Mybpeterson]

Yup. The Japanese really screwed up when they didn't deliver their declaration of war in time. A sneak attack of such devastating proportions galvanized people. Young men lined up in front of recruiting stations the very next day.

[@michaelzahnle5649]

There is no historical evidence that Admiral Yamamoto actually said that aloud after the battle. There is anecdotal evidence that he may have written it in his diary. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote

[@gretchennelson7056]

Even if he didn’t say it, it’s true

[@umbertotagliatesta9582]

Infatti da lì ci fu svolta x far sì che Usa vincessero la Guerra

[@frednone]

Always thought Halsey put it better, "When this war is over, Japanese will be a language spoken only in hell."

[@douglasskaalrud6865]

There is an actual precedent for the scene at 1:29 of the black man firing the machine gun at the Japanese. A mess attendant, Doris Miller, who was later decorated by Nimitz, lifted his Captain, Mervyn Bennion, out of danger. Miller was a large man and the West Virginia’s heavyweight boxing champion. After Bennion died of his wounds, Miller grabbed a mounted machine gun and with a berzerk smile on his face, began firing at the Japanese

[@ilttpvvm]

No one thought that Japan would attack Hawaii in 1941. No one thought that Russia would attack Ukraine in 2022. Some things never seem to change…

[@DomWeasel]

They all knew Russia was going to attack. But just like when they let Russia seize Crimea in 2014, they didn't care. Not until they discovered how much of the world's food came from Ukraine and prices started rising. People never care until it directly affects them.

[@lomax343]

Not least because both attacks were monumentally stupid and could only lead to the defeat of the aggressor - oh wait - yes, nothing changes.

[@fedodosto3162]

Russia had attacked Ukraine already in 2014, so another attack could have been sort of expected.

[@NostalgicGamerRickOShay]

And just as the Japanese were persecuting Chinese prior to the attack, the Ukrainian government was persecuting Ukrainian citizens of Russian ethnicity prior to 2022, even prior to 2014.

[@stinkypete891]

What if Russia started building military bases in Mexico?

[@alanmunroe8332]

Duh The USS Ward v Submarine was a preemptive procedure, as directed for Zone patrol. Confirmation began when USS Tangier AV-8 returned 1st Navy defensive fire. Japanese aerial photos have been available, long time.

[@STP43FAN1]

Who is the officer in the scene beginning at 2:57 who just came from the USS CALIFORNIA?

[@girl1213]

It could be her commanding officer, Captain J.W. Gunkley. Gunkley wasn't on the California when it was attacked, but he did manage to return to her and stayed with her for an hour before he ordered her abandoned.

[@STP43FAN1]

Thank you

[@jtshark9283]

While the Quarte is correct. The time frame of when he said it is incorrect. He said it about 24 hours after the attack and was asked about the ricochet. It was right after he had been first asked questions about decisions he had made over the previous 2 weeks

[@hantykje3005]

As far as I know the first carrier air assult in ww2 took place in mid April in the town of Narvik in Norway. British planes attacking German ships in and around Narvik. Utimatly paving the way for Hitler's first defeat in the war.

[@hypercomms2001]

Remember seeing a sound when it came out in 1970, as I was 10 years old.... No CGI back then... They did it for real.. We'll sort of...

[@freemanreed5228]

That was Neville Brand saying that. A real WW2 hero.

[@Hal-k8p]

yes, we know.

[@bobkonradi1027]

At the 1:00-1:14 point in the video, the duty officer should have taken it upon himself to notify everybody about the Ward's positive detection of an unknown submarine operating just off the harbor entrance. What killed the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor was our complacency and inability to believe that the enemy would (or could) attack our fleet base at Pearl Harbor. Beyond this, any real analysis of the Japanese intentions should have been that 1). they were going to ensure their future needs for oil and raw materials were under their own control, and not subject to extortion by the U.S. 2).Their only hope for shaking off the U.S. fleet was to wipe it out right off the bat, as they'd already done in the Russo-Japanese war of 1905. 3). the Japanese had 10 aircraft carriers in the Pacific, compared to our 3. They had as many battleships as the U.S., and had multiples of cruisers and destroyers more than we had. They also had built many tankers, thus showing they were aware of supply needs in long distance operations. 4). An analysis of an aircraft carrier's (and hence its airplanes) capability was to picture an airplane getting to a point blank position regarding depositing a 500-1000 lb armor piercing equivalent of a battleship's shell directly onto a battleship (or other combatant ship). There was no range finding required, no "can't see" from 20 miles away. The pilot (or 100 of them at a time) could fly to the battleship, look directly down at it, and drop their one-shell equivalent of a 14-16" AP shell directly down onto a U.S. Navy combat ship. Our thinking was locked in WW1, that a battleship could always win out over a mass of airplanes with AP shells. It was a rude awakening for us, and if our 3 carriers had been in harbor instead of out delivering planes to far-away bases, we'd have been impotent until 1944, at which time the Japanese "sphere of prosperity" would have been completed. Isn't hindsight wonderful, but I'm talking about planners whose heads were not buried in the sand.

[@joseloyola7387]

The Arizona explotion is amazing,the best in the history movies.

[@evancrum6811]

One of the most accurate WW2 films about Pearl Harbor. Showing both sides

[@kevinmottram9491]

THE most historically accurate war movie of all time, an all time classic. And no CGI in sight!

[@christopherhumphreys7052]

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was a very near identical Royal Naval attack on the Italian Fleet in Taranto, which the United States Navy laughed at and Admiral Yamamoto took great interest

[@doughesson]

I always thought that Kaminski should have jumped the chain of command to get the warning out & let another officer decide to tell Admiral Kimmel. Might have saved some lives & ships. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than to beg for permission.

[@FIREBRAND38]

Congratulations, you tested out at 20/20 hindsight.

[@doughesson]

@@FIREBRAND38 Perfect Monday quarterbacking,just like the after action reports mentioned.

[@FIREBRAND38]

@@doughesson Congratulating yourself for your own Monday morning quarterbacking? Or don't you understand what that term means? Just like the AARs said? WTF are you talking about? Thinking someone would jump the chain of command in the 1940's Navy on a suspicion is just incredibly naive. Anyway, you've now become boring so I'm going to mute you now.

[@doughesson]

@@FIREBRAND38 You're upset because I agreed with you? You are kind of special,aren't you?

[@Ama-hi5kn]

Had to rewatch it again yesterday. Best war movie.

[@williamneumyer7147]

Two good books are Prange, et al., "Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History" and "The New Dealers' War" by Thomas Fleming. Japanese attack on Port Arthur in 1905, recent British action against the Italians at Taranto. Don't want to get started in a KZbin comment.

[@rickgehring7507]

New Dealers War , good read, FDR was in over his head with the war, but I honestly think he handled it better 6 of our last 8 presidents would of.

[@williamneumyer7147]

@@rickgehring7507 Do you know the lowdown on letting the Russians take Berlin? I see two factors: Roosevelt's notion of Joe Stalin's Russia as a postwar force for good, and Eisenhower's (and Marshall's?) reluctance to incur casualties.

[@rickgehring7507]

@@williamneumyer7147 I personally think it was 3 things, FDR passing away in April, the inevitable end of the European front being in May or June, also Patton wasn't the only general that wanted to push Russia back to Russia, : MY OPINION here : Eisenhower, Truman wanted to concentrate on ending the pacific war, so they could be clearly focus on what they knew would be the Russia issue after the war was over...If FDR was still alive at the time of Germany surrender.....Yes I agree with you about FDR's vison for post war Europe, but Truman was not a fan of Stalin, nor was he of FDR's "trust" in Stalin.

[@williamneumyer7147]

@@rickgehring7507 Your point about wanting to end the European war so Truman, Marshall, et al., could concentrate on the war in Japan - and keeping the Russians out of Japan - is a good one.

[@watchmakersp9935]

another great book is " At Dawn We Slept".

[@chrisball3412]

Filmed in San Pedro ca harbor and palos verdes. I remember the zero flying around when I was a kid.

[@celticbelle4004]

Most of it was filmed in Hawaii. We moved there in 1970 and my family knew people who had been extras in the film.

[@northamericanintercontinen3207]

Admiral Kimmel was scapegoated and I’ll die on that hill

[@tomhenry897]

Was in command

[@tonyennis1787]

The buck stops there. He allowed his officers to treat that base like a country club. Everyone knew war was coming. There was no reason to be so unprepared.

[@Revkor]

@@tomhenry897 only recently and because the guy before him was opposed to FDR's idea of havign the fleet there

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Doris Miller is credited with shooting down 4, possibly six(going by one of the other commenters) 24 Japanese planes shot down in total... imagine being responsible for shooting down one sixth or one fourth of all the planes destroyed.

[@Birddog222]

For those who think that America should apologize For Hiroshima and Nagasaki I say NEVER!!!!

[@jimtownsend7899]

And Neville Brand, the guy in this clip, Kaminsky, that tells the Captain about the depth charging, was a straight up war hero. Multiple Purple Hearts, Silver Star, the works.

[@Hal-k8p]

One Silver Star, one Purple Heart. The rest were "I was there" medals.

[@jimtownsend7899]

@@Hal-k8p OK, does that make him less of a war hero?

[@Hal-k8p]

@@jimtownsend7899 Yes. Technically, it does. If we use numbers and types of medals as our metric to determine whether someone is more or less of a hero, then yes, he would be less of one. There were many, many men that earned FAR more awards than Brand. We aren't saying he wasn't brave. He was. But we also cannot falsify the number of his awards and think he had a lot more than he did. People today love to throw around the term "hero" way too loosely. If everyone is a hero, then the term means nothing.

[@jimtownsend7899]

@@Hal-k8p Please tell us your awards and decorations. All of mine would fall into that category you classify as “I was there”. Maybe that’s why I don’t question the degree of hero. What about all those boys who didn’t come home, but all they got was a posthumous Purple Heart and a few “been there medals”? Not much of a hero, were they? What about guys who were lucky enough to not get hit, and all they got were “been theres”? I can tell you this: They don’t put Silver Stars in the MREs. And I doubt you’ve ever raised your hand. I find your contention repugnant. This isn’t the Olympics. Valor isn’t determined by the number of times your actions are officially recognized, or even by the numbers of times you were in a hot zone. So spare us your opinions. You couldn’t reach the soles of their boots if you stood on a ladder.

[@Hal-k8p]

@@jimtownsend7899 Never said Brand wasn't a hero. I merely pointed out the facts of his "heroship". And since I did spend over 20 years in the US Army, Infantry, to include wartime service in Iraq, I find your opinion of my opinion stupid and irrelevant. I couldn't give a flying rats ass less about what you think. Just too old to care about your opinion. Makes me wonder if YOU ever served......

[@yeahiknowimcute5830]

A lot of models were hurt making this movie

[@timf2279]

The model of the USS Nevada BB-36 is still in Las Vegas. It has been in many Veterans Day parades.

[@myvideosetc.8271]

better than pure CG

[@matsvanzelm7220]

Pearle Harbour was a terrible tactical and strategic disaster for Japan, in spite of horrendous US losses and mistakes.

[@Revkor]

it was the second best move they could make. the first was not goign to war at all but since that was off the table this was the right move. the issue was poor execution of the timing

[@Hal-k8p]

no, it was tactical success. but yes, quite the strategic blunder.

[@rodolforudygarcia3513]

Al Capone talking to Steve Austin best friend

[@Headloser]

There actually a colour recorded film of this attack, however the film was lost and never found.

[@xxGravyBabyxx]

Racism played a huge part. The U.S. kept ignoring signs of attack from the Japanese for months. None of the top generals or members at Washington believed that Japan had massive balls to attack the U.S. If they weren't being navie, their reaction time would have been immensely better. Their racial bias towards Japan was one of the major reasons for Pearl Harbor.

[@douglaslorin739]

It goes a bit deeper then that. We had been keeping tabs on Japan and its growing surface force. The thought was that it would be impossible for a large fleet to steam across the expanse of the Pacific undetected and launch a strike force. And on their end, the Japanese still had to develop tactics, sail in a "box" formation, and perfect refueling at sea and radio silence. And to their credit, they did.

[@stevelawson911]

The woke virtuous Pc nerd has spoken

[@The_Real_Alpharius]

Attack on Pearl Harbor had literally nothing about racism lmao. You should probably ask your doctor for stronger pills. The Americans didn't believe Japan had the balls to attack, sure, but it had nothing to do with racism. The Japanese were FAR more racist than anyone else, almost as much as the Germans. This is a certified Twitter moment...

[@The_Real_Alpharius]

​@@stevelawson911 What elee can you expect from a libtard who only sees the world in black and white. Or white and yellow in this case...

[@SugoiEnglish1]

@@douglaslorin739 NOT COMPLETE RADIO SILENCE THOUGH. We have JN25B intercepts that show this. See Ch 3 George Victor's The Pearl Harbor Myth.

[@maureencora1]

December 7, 1941 7:55 AM Hawaii Time.

[@walterheinen5298]

The US is probably in a worse footing today then we were back then. Sad.

[@chrismartin1020]

Dude what 😂

[@davidkinsey8657]

Love this movie! My only complaint is that while they showed many of the heroic actions of that day (Doris Miller, Peter Tomich, Jack Finn, etc.), they didn't identify the heroes themselves. Just a simple caption with their names and ranks would have helped tremendously.

[@followerofjulian1652]

Thank you, Dr. Oppenheimer, for giving us the means to repay the Japanese for this.

[@Glitches59.]

The Chief was played by Neville Brand, the second most decorated service member of WW2.

[@Hal-k8p]

Bullsh*t. Not even close. Brand himself has denied this. If you look at Brand's medals, you will see he does not have a lot of awards. He has a Silver Star and a Purple Heart. Everything else he wears is just "I was there" medals.

[@Glitches59.]

@@Hal-k8p thanks for the correction. I had no idea.