My Father Lied To Me For 12 Long Years Then Betrayed Me r/AITA

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

Story one: the OP should have gotten 75% of the control. He built up the business. He deserves the company

[@niyablake]

S1 I got down voted for asking how the hell OP was the AH and imature

[@starbird3939]

The father told his CEO son to step down and take a massive paycut… and he is shocked that his son wants to start his own business? Idiocy

[@Rose-yt5hi]

He wants his business to be run by the dude with 1 years’ worth of experience.

[@babybookworm003]

@@Rose-yt5hi 1 year of service in the financial side of the business and not the actual running of the business side

[@Rose-yt5hi]

@@babybookworm003 Yeah. At this point, even if it was an accounting business, I wouldn’t trust that guy to know how to run it. Idk even know if I’d trust him to do all the taxes without running it by a more seasoned accountant.

[@pippo17173]

Family entitlement form in a business. These people are just damn stupid and don't see it until its too late.

[@Barlmoro]

@@Rose-yt5hi i am an accountaint and as some comments say: you do not have the skills for leading a bussines. the rolle the brother should have gotten would be the CFO

[@adataylor4956]

Story 2- What stuck out to me is “She’s not going to pursue child support.” In America, if you pursue child support, the courts must establish paternity which means she has to get a paternity test done or the father must sign a legal document stating they forgo the tests and are claiming parentage. Thus, their is definitely someone else that she slept with!

[@PinkMarshmallows]

Ohhh, good catch.

[@PinkMarshmallows]

Ohhh, good catch.

[@superdave8248]

I think this differs from state to state. In my state for example, there are ways around a paternity test. One example is if there is a restraining order in place on the supposed father. I mean seriously, a woman just has to identify a man as the father. Family services then relays that information to Child Services who will be the ones to initiate the court hearing for child support on the father. It is up to the man believed to be the father to demand a paternity test which the court may or may not grant. Further, there is Bill in Congress right now called the "Unborn Child Support Act". S.4512. It has two provisions people should be paying attention to. “(E) any measure to establish the paternity of a child (born or unborn) shall not be required without the consent of the mother; and “(F) any measure to establish the paternity of an unborn child shall not be taken if the measure poses any risk of harm to the child if unborn.” So all the Mom has to do is not consent to the Paternity test to squash it in court. The supposed father would have to go behind the mother's back to get it done and then have the results submitted to the court. So that goes back to my previous statement about the restraining order on the father. All the Mom has to do is get the restraining order, keep it active, and the father would never get anything other than supervised visits where the paternity test would not be allowed to be given.

[@angeliqueSeidlitz2388]

My ex signed 3 or 4 with our son due to court documents, the acknowledgement papers. I told him he could get a test but he'd have to pay for it since his mom was pushing for it.

[@groofromtheup5719]

So nobody ever got stuck paying for a child before paternity testing was commonplace?

[@kristinewatson3702]

I have an MBA. I have an education about business. Does this mean that I could walk into any business and think I know more than people who've worked there 12 years? No. The father was an idiot. He's even worse for doubling down and not fixing is behavior. What a shame that was the hill his father chose to die on.

[@Barlmoro]

total right , CFO would be the suiting position for the brother.

[@Niggurath-n4h]

Sadly the first story is common than everybody think. I have similar situation and my father is head overheels to my older sister, that she can’t do anything wrong. It’s okay if it’s only like that, sadly it become much worse as my sister keep treating others specially his other siblings as trash. This is even aggrevated by how she treat employees at the family business. Even now me and my other sibling are telling our parents it will ruin our family, as she keep us wanting to fight each others by spreading rumors. While we the sibling knew full well it was her spreading her evil again.

[@twilightsparkle75]

mataphorically and literally!

[@franl155]

"Thanks for making the business so successful over the last 12 years, and even running it for the last two. Now step aside so that your brother, who's never lifted a finger to support the company, can take over - he went to college, so he's obviously smarter than you at running a business, even though he's never even worked at one before." I'd have walked away and never gone back. "He deserves it because I was never there for him." "But I've been here for you for the last 12 years and I deserve this?" ps: and splitting the company wouldn't work. With an accountant in charge of finances, the workforce will be hamstrung for equipment, supplies, and even staff. Accountants are there to count pennies and pinch until the coin screams for mercy.

[@ditzyhere3138]

Well, he won't have to pinch pennies from his staff since they all left with OP.

[@kateemma22]

"I can't wait to share this with my CHILDREN when I have them" THE SHADE!

[@juanhaines7295]

Story 1 I heard this one before. The family is trash. Op is better off without them.

[@groofromtheup5719]

Wasn't this one of those step brother things? 🤔 I thought OP wasn't the father's bio kid? That would at least explain why Dad doesn't consider OP his "real" child, and gave the buisiness to his real child.

[@carlrood4457]

@@groofromtheup5719 Didn't say anything about that on any of the posts here.

[@groofromtheup5719]

@@carlrood4457 not the only telling of this exact story.

[@ian7064]

Story 2: Just bc the cheating partner isn't the dad doesn't mean the OPs friend is the father. He still needs a test. If the ex isn't planning on pursuing support, it makes me think she knows he's not the dad so she'll lose in court

[@superzooperhaze6597]

there wasn't any cheating? they were broken up don't pull some ross and rachel shit here, it wasn't even called a "break" they were broken up. just because her sister cheated doesn't make her a cheater. it makes her toxic for hiding it but doesn't mean she cheated l

[@groofromtheup5719]

@@superzooperhaze6597 She slept with the other guy numerous times, and most likely with several different guys. I can almost guarantee you that some of it pre or post-dated the short break-up period. But let's skip all of that and go back and assume you are correct; She still built the entire relationship on a major lie, and was attempting to commit paternity fraud as well. I can't think of someone less worthy of a wedding ring.

[@superzooperhaze6597]

@@groofromtheup5719 it takes one time to get pregnant and i don’t recall it saying she slept with him more than once. but go ahead and project your own experiences on them. she’s shitty but she’s not your ex so don’t take this story so personally

[@groofromtheup5719]

@@superzooperhaze6597 go to about the 20 minute mark "She admitted to sleeping with him multiple times."

[@superzooperhaze6597]

@@groofromtheup5719 okay, fair enough. but was it during their relationship? no? then she is not a cheater. again, don’t go off and say she probably did. people are allowed to have sex when they’ve been dumped. doesn’t mean they’ll cheat just because they’re shitty. there’s lots of types of shitty people.

[@owl7072]

Story 1: "He deserves it after all the hard work he's done" you mean all that hard work it took for him to say the business wasn't worth his time? You mean the hard work it took for him to say that during the _12 years that Op worked with/for you?_ You mean the "hard work" he did while Op essentially _ran your entire company on your behalf when you got sick?_ That "hard work"? "He went to uni" and talked shit about your business while Op _ran damn near the entire thing when you got sick._

[@hugoumero9723]

i think OP dad and brother will ended up broke the business down and made them homeless and OP Family will ended up disowned them and abanodned them

[@babybookworm003]

All’s ops dad reall had to do was spilt it 75/25 75% to op who runs the main operations and 25% to ops brother to run the financial part of it but ops dad had to blow up the family instead

[@owl7072]

@@babybookworm003 Right, stuff like this is why I feel like you should always do your best to plan how to divide assets and whatnot before something happens like getting sick or dying. Even with the whole "he couldn't have known brother would show up" a plan like that still could have worked better than brother just getting everything cause the dad was sick and feeling guilty.

[@babybookworm003]

@@owl7072 from the last update the whole feeling guilty thing sounded like a ploy to try and get him back

[@rmhartman]

wait ... "I had a blood test with the other guy and he didn't match" ... what I didn't hear is that they went ahead with the test against Derek. she is STILL LYING, until you see that blood test.

[@axepagode33626]

OP's Brother: I'm demoting you and cutting your pay significantly. See you on Monday. OP: Quits and starts his own business OP's Brother and Father: Surprised Pikachu face. What do you mean you are quitting? We need you there to take crap from us and be exploited. OP: Takes several accounts with him. Builds his business and does very well Brother: Dad my business is failing. Make OP come back & save me. Make it look like I'm saving him. OP: Laughs so hard at his pathetic family that he pees on himself

[@gcarr1089]

Story 1 - OP should look into the legal aspects of being illegally demoted for no reason and money reductions. Hope he does well in his new business. Hope OP and his fiancée have a great wedding day Story 2 - OP said she was a liar, so why does he believe that the other guy was tested and he isn't the father. Maybe he should follow the money, the one who earns the most is definitely the father, never mind the DNA. Unless you see her do the test yourself you do not believe the results.

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

The father from that first story is a complete a-hole, and so is OP's brother. Blatant favoritism from the father, and arrogance from the brother. I've heard this story once before elsewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear an update someday about how the original company owned by OP's father goes bankrupt.

[@Barlmoro]

i heard it too and i would find it more funny if the Op would do a hostile takeover of his dads old firm to show the brother how bussines works.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

@@Barlmoro I don't think OP could. My understanding of what a Hostile Takeover is that the non-majority partners band together to out vote the majority partner and boot them. So for a Hostile Take over to take place, OP would already need an ownership stake in the business. If he did have an ownership stake, it would have negated the other issues from ever happening (they wouldn't have been able to demote him and steal 20% of his pay without his approval if he had an ownership stake) But, as the saying goes... daddy dearest and his golden baby boi fucked around and found out. If it bankrupts them, I see this as a complete win.

[@Barlmoro]

@@Original_Tenshi_Chan a other way of a hostile takeover would be to buy the debts. It is a bit more complicatet but i try to make it in a simple way: if it goes furter the way it start now the will have debts with some other firms like banks or material seller etc. at this point he can buy from this bussines the rights on the debts. this means you give the money to the original person and then the busines from daddy must pay him the debts. if he gets enough of them he can tell his dearest brother: you own me debts in high of X pay me out or i let your firm get liquidatet. this would be the brankrupcy of the bussines and he can tell the person who deal with the liquidation : he check how much worth the bussines has in total and i take it as a hole and pay out the rest. you see this practice not often cose it is risky and time consuming but it can work. a old boss of me did it with the brothers bussines cose he wanntet the name of the bussines and some of the patents.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

@@Barlmoro I wasn't aware of that as an option. I've heard of Mechanic's Liens, but not the buying of debt to leverage the sale of a business. Is it only legal where you are? It seems like it would be risky. If someone bought all the debts, but the business owner decided to file Chapter 11 bankruptcy, the debt buyer could lose their investment and leverage

[@Barlmoro]

@@Original_Tenshi_Chan thats the risky part of it he can lose big money with it and so it is a very rare thing to do. Its like you own me more than your bussines is worth? so pay me with assets insteadt of money.

[@fallingawayfromthenorm]

Story 2 - I think more people need to realize that their partner helping lie for a cheater is a massive red flag, if they help a cheater, what’s going to stop them from being a cheater and having the backup of their cheater friends to get away with it? I would be demanding couple’s counseling or breaking off the relationship if I learned my partner aided a cheater in any way with their lies. Also I just laughed at the “get an abortion” when it’s this late in the game. Unless there was a medical emergency that it was going to kill the girlfriend, most places don’t do abortion that late. Saying put it up for adoption would have made more sense, either way I feel bad for the kid to have a shitshow mother whose bullshit drove away their biological father.

[@Rose-yt5hi]

Derrick needs to confirm he is the father. All he actually knows right now is it isn’t the other guy.

[@Barlmoro]

@@Rose-yt5hi only with her words. that could be a lie as well. it is simple: after birth DNA test and if it is positive he pay child support but nothing more OR he is gone and she can find the real father herself.

[@icarusxiii]

@@Barlmoro so let's say that he's the father and never got the DNA test. It's fine for him to not be in the child's life?

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

@@Barlmoro I was thinking the same thing. She has lied each and every step of the way, and I don't think she has a clue who the father is. If there were "only 2 possibilities" and the only other possibility was "tested and found not to be the father", shouldn't that bolster her confidence that Derek is the father? Shouldn't that make her more eager to take the test to prove OP wrong and solidify Derek taking care of her for the rest of her cheating life? I hope OP updates again after nicole's baby is born, if Derek has taken a DNA test and proven to not be the father.

[@Original_Tenshi_Chan]

@@Rose-yt5hi Technically, he doesn't even know if the other guy isn't. The only facts OP and Derek can be certain of are; 1. Nicole has cheated multiple times, and that is only what she admitted to. Who knows how long this has been going on or with how many. 2. Nicole is happy and eager to con multiple men into paternity fraud (her sister's ex, and at the very least, Derek too) 3. Nicole LOVES lying and seems to be pretty proficient at it. and 4. She is panicked about Derek taking the DNA test. From those facts, we can reasonably assume; 1. The other guy (the one she has admitted to cheating with) wasn't tested and/or 2. There are more than 1 other possible fathers. and 3. She is reasonably sure Derek is NOT the father. If she had even a small amount of confidence Derek could be the father, I think she would take the test. She sounds manipulative as hell, she knows Derek is easy to manipulate. If you know your preferred target has a good income, high risk job that could lead to a potentially high AD&D insurance payout, and is wrapped around your finger/highly malleable, then WHY would she risk losing all that unless you know it's a lost cause anyhow?

[@goddessmelanisia]

Story 2: He still hasn't gotten a paternity test.... and needs too! She was likely lying again.

[@rmhartman]

"and because he went to uni" way to disrespect your entire workforce, old man

[@pippo17173]

What he really said: Op and all the workers here are just brainless morons compare to my smart son. Ya this is litterly the meme of a big brain moment.

[@sfsin3380]

I figure that Dad was quoting Ah Brother. Brother came back to take advantage of his dying Dad and get control of the company all it would have taken was one moment of weakness caused by a sob story about how Dad didn't spend enough time with him and how he's being punished for going to uni yada, yada, yada all it takes is one signature and it's too late. Unfortunately it's not unheard of for accountants to take advantage dying clients like that. Dad isn't pick older brother over OP. He's picking the business over OP. He can't get the business back so he's trying to save the sinking business the only way he can failing to realize that its' thimble to a deluge.

[@KE-hr4sb]

S1: "Telling me I'm ungrateful." Response: "Ungrateful for a demotion and a 20k pay cut when I've been the one keeping the business afloat for the family? You're absolutely right, why would I be grateful to be treated as a doormat?" NTA, OP. Leave, start your own business, and watch your brother flounder because he doesn't know how to manage. How much do you want to bet if you stayed, they'd still expect you to do the lion's share of the work because he doesn't know how to, but at the lower pay? Everything could have continued running smoothly, and growing, from the sound of it, if they hadn't gotten greedy. They're playing stupid games. Let them collect stupid prizes. S2: NTA. 1) She has a history of lying. 2) She has a history of covering for cheaters. 3) They were on a break within the window of her getting pregnant! If she has nothing to hide, she wouldn't be freaking out about getting one, especially since you're the one asking for it. ETA after update: She admits to lying about not sleeping with anyone else, and admits it was more than once. "Freaks out" saying she's afraid of needles, so Derek's DNA test does not get done. But then claims to have already done a DNA test with the other guy and it came back negative. So what happened to her fear of needles then? And where are the results of said DNA test? I don't believe her for one millisecond. She's lied repeatedly, and been caught doing it, and admitted to doing it, so I'm supposed to believe this one thing she said is the truth? Derek needs a DNA test first and foremost, no ifs and or buts, before he makes any further decisions. Or that, leaving works too. But I would still demand a paternity test if she does decide to pursue child support. And look, no needles once the child is born, so no excuses.

[@florian4033]

At any point in time the brother could go " wait, why don't we split the business 50/50?" Dad is playing favorite and big bro is so accustomed that he thinks it's normal... When OP was called for dinner I had hopes that the brother would have had come to his senses... sad story, what a shame. good thing OP moves on well.

[@rmhartman]

yep. in the morning, with dad alone, he expressed regret over what he had done. in the evening, with dad and bro ... nothing.

[@Barlmoro]

@@rmhartman even if the father gave 100% to the brother he could easy sit the brother down and tell him following: See Son you have 3 options. 1) give him the CEO position and change yourself to the CFO. 2) offer him the dopple he made before and give him controll over decissions like it was before OR 3) let it be and you can close the buisiness within a few month, cose you lost your employees and customers.

[@florian4033]

@@Barlmoro just so many options available if the other side decided to be fair. Op is met with a wall and has no choice but the one he made...

[@groofromtheup5719]

I think this was a bio-kid vs. Stepkid thing, that was left out of this version of the story.

[@florian4033]

@@groofromtheup5719 oh that would explain quite a bit... I thought maybe op could have been an affair child for a minute.

[@GeorgeGiann]

I've heard both stories before and the first one is one of my favourites. I would love to have a more recent update.. The fact they of course believed they were part of the wedding, baffles me. I do hope they were not.

[@shebakoby]

Story 1: I'm getting some huge golden child/scapegoat dynamics here. The father is obviously favoring the brother. Brother probably is a narcissist. Brother hasn't woken up out of the FOG. Not surprising since a lot of business people are narcissistic to some degree or another.

[@randomusername3873]

Sorry but I don't believe for a second that that's Derek child If she did the test with the other man and it came out negative, then she would know that that's Derek child and she would have no reason to refuse the test. But since she freaked out there are only two explanations: either the test revealed that the other guy is the father, or there is a third potential father and she is still refusing the test

[@adawongkennedy6570]

Story 2: I think they should do the Dna test anyway. Like one comment point out, why she freaked out if she is certain Derek is the father?

[@Barlmoro]

cose i beleive she lies again. maybe it was a 3 or more partner involde or she never test the other dude. so DNA test!

[@WardenSpectreCommander]

Exactly. Derek and other guys weren't the only ones.

[@LS-bb9qh]

Abandon your kid because of the mother. What happened to every kid deserves to know who their father is.

[@SherriLyle80s]

He had a 20k pay cut? Yikes! That's messed up! Go where the money is, OP. It's not at your father's company anymore.

[@SteviiLove]

The godfather/legal guardian one; OP's math doesn't math. If she's 8 months pregnant and they broke up 7 months ago, she was already pregnant for a month before they broke up. Why didn't anyone point this out?

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

There was no guarantee that Nicole didn’t cheat during the relationship.

[@kristy1653]

What DOES add up is that the girlfriend has a proclivity for lying and for sleeping with other people. It didn’t necessarily have to be when they broke up. It’s just representative of her character.

[@superzooperhaze6597]

why is everyone assuming she cheated as a response to this? her covering for her sister in that situation doesn't mean she did it too, just means she's kinda shitty.

[@lkayh]

The outcome that might have seemed just-putting both brothers in charge of the company-wouldn’t have worked. They wouldn’t get along. OP’s business will thrive. The “legacy” business is likely to wither if the brother is as bad at managing staff as he is about handling this issue with OP.

[@Barlmoro]

it will fall very fast, if so many worker left and op took clients it will shrink rapit and brother did not know how to hire and to get new customers.

[@rmhartman]

brother should have worked for the business as accountant for a while before being promoted

[@MadameRaven1]

The first story has been one of my all time favorites. The schadenfruend as one who was not the golden child and did most of the work is just so glorious!

[@SkyEcho751]

Story 1: NTA, I actually remember a story which brought up that giving a person a large pay cut could be viewed as something specific(can't remember what) but it allowed him to functionally quit without notice iirc. The dad was a complete idiot and a fool, for someone to be good at running a business, they MUST have a gameplan that works, and the brother has no experience in what works. If I heard my (insert relative or friend) got passed over for a promotion and even got a paycut despite having the most experience, I'd likely be on their side. Story 2: NTA, and the reason for this is because Nicole is shady as F. Furthermore Derek wants OP to be ready to take care of a kid that isn't his, but doesn't believe he has a right to refuse to take care of a kid unless he knows it's Derek's and not some rando deadbeat. Story 2 Update: Man, that kid is going to be messed up if he lives with Derek. If I was him I'd want to go for DNA test and full custody because I don't trust her to not somehow screw up "my" child's life with her pathological lying, and if it's not "mine" then it shows she really is a liar who should never be trusted.

[@SilverMKI]

Constructive dismissal, potentially unfair dismissal if you refuse to be demoted and are fired. It could also be breach of contract if they demote you without your consent and your contract does not permit that. Demotion in the UK also generally needs to be agreed by both parties unless you have something written into your contract about them. Even then they will need to have strict rules around when demotion can be undertaken.

[@fcold9402]

Did Derrick see the bloodtest? Why would anyone take her word for it?

[@Barlmoro]

@Rhirhi stopit i think the truth lies maybe somewhere in betrween . yes i can believe that the other dude is maybe not the dad, but than i do not beliefe he was the only one.

[@fcold9402]

@@Barlmoro Exactly the entire assumption that it was confirmed not to be the one cheaters kid so it must be OPs brothers is false. All it means is it is not the one cheaters kid (assuming even that is true).

[@ondank]

I worked for a company where the business unit I was attached to (but did report to) had a MD which left and they made the accountant the MD in her stead. The BU effectively was shut down in a year and absorbed into other units. This was a BU with revenue of around 20 million pounds a year with several blue chip clients and it took one guy pissing off staff and making poor short sighted decisions to make that happen.

[@Pastel_Dreams]

2nd Story: I'm probably going to be crucified for this, but NTA. OP had good reason to doubt this woman and was right in the end by listening to his instincts.

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

Accountants can run a business if it's an accounting business or tax company

[@sfsin3380]

yup specialist companies need to be run by that specialist supported by some kind of bookkeeper otherwise they fail. Doesn't matter if it's a farmer, plumber, carpenter, or accountant

[@milescoburn1845]

Story # 2 - They still only have Nicole's word, a proven liar, that she got a DNA test and the other guy wasn't the father. Derek should still push for a DNA test for the child.

[@johhnysorrow]

First story always amazes me about the lack of thought the Dad had, the Hubris the brother was showing, and the sheer audacity to think that someone would stick around for that. It takes a special kind to think someone would stick around for that abuse. Wonder what Dad is going to do once the business is run into the ground. Maybe sell it to his son for pennies on the dollar?

[@GIChiyo]

"You are ungrateful for what you have" Oh, you mean what you TOOK AWAY from OP? Just wow, go and build a new business and tank the family one OP

[@omnipossum92]

“Do all of the work so your brother can get all of the glory”

[@addicted2mako]

"He finally told me he owed it to my brother for not being about for him as much as me when we were growing up, and there were times my brother needed him but he was working." Does this man not know how to support one son without abandoning the other? Parental support shouldn't be a zero-sum game where one child has to get less in order for the other to get more, and with this one it's all or nothing!

[@damien678]

"She wants me in a suit, but tough luck, I'll be in my kilt" and don't you dare back down on that either!! 😤

[@rmhartman]

also ... when daddy was on his own, he seemed rational... but when the dad and bro were together, daddy would not defend him.

[@rmhartman]

I wonder if the brother knows that dad had an affair, and blackmailed him into doing this.

[@kyriacarica5862]

Ngl, the only one I feel sorry for in the second story is that poor baby.

[@sgtwhisker26]

Any business that pulls this crap deserves to be run out

[@lisakaz35]

On the DNA test in hospitals, I'd think the timing of it would prevent the few "switched at birth" issues that have happened. Even tho it's rare today, I'd still like that protection if I were in that position.

[@Barlmoro]

i tell all woman i date longer that i expect one if we get childs. why? i see and hear to often this horror storys of pure guys and wittnes one who is no longer becourse of it. and all this storys have one thing in common: the do trust ther partner and thought the would never do it to them. So i do only wannt to be sure and if i would not do it, the thoughts would eat me alive. and most woman i told this are ok with it and one said following: Ok no problem but you pay for it and if it is you as i expect than you own me a nice fancy dinner!

[@lindajarvis9965]

Switch, baby and/or specimen, could still happen in the hospital after specimen is taken. Maybe this test should be taken at a doctor’s office or on your way out the hospital door. Testing prebirth with BOTH parental DNA might be best option.

[@lisakaz35]

@@lindajarvis9965 Yeah, or an immediate follow up doctor appt. Seems like an exit interview precaution. I wish it was standard, then there'd be no hoodwinking or mistakes.

[@veezopolis]

Love that the OP in story 2 still just took her word for it

[@TheOmegaRiddler]

I think OP in story one should set out to destroy his father's company, bring them to the point of bankruptcy and then buy the company through a lawyer. So when he walks in, he can show that he is now their boss. Tell his brother to get out of his office because he needs to talk to Dad. Break down the fact that they were about to go out of business and the only person willing to save them was OP. He still cares about his family and this company, but he couldn't sit and watch his gobshite of a brother destroy everything he worked to build. If Dad wants to prove how sorry he really is, he'll fire his brother and cut him off. He's fired for cause because he's the one who tanked the company that Dad and OP built up. And then OP sets to merge his company into his Dad's company. After which, he'll make his Dad retire with a generous pay out. During this time, OP sees if he can mend his relationship with his parents, if they still treat him like nothing, forget the generous payout, fire the bastard and remove any trace of his name from the company.

[@muhname6052]

Story1: oldie but a goodie. Personally I hope that the family business goes under and they lose they're lifestyle.

[@carrieannmcleod5219]

Story 2: I understand why he's breaking up with her and doesn't want anything to do with her but it is his child so it's a little cold to cut his child off completely.

[@CroobieLetter]

No way that it's Dereks child. Girls lying

[@randomusername3873]

@@UnExcited42 there is no way that the child is derek's If she already did the test whit the other guy and it was negative, She wouldn't have freaked out

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

There’s still no proof that Derek’s is the father, they didn’t go through with the test. The only “proof” is what Nicole said about the other guy getting a negative result (without showing the actual physical results) and she’s already been shown to be a liar.

[@Iflie]

Yeah they still need the dna test and he need to get custody. If the mother has another baby daddy out there that would explain why she wouldn't be looking for childsupport. The kids deserves the good parent to be there.

[@carrieannmcleod5219]

@@CroobieLetter I thought I read that they did do DNA test and it was his. I guess I need to read it again.

[@maxsupernova]

Story 1: The family are the enablers that I despise so much. They're the pieces of crap that deserve to get all the wrath that OP can rain down on them. I really hate family like this.

[@jemase7931]

100% Derek's. Really? How can he be sure? She admitted to one. But who knows?

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

There are a lot of comments calling Derek a deadbeat but there’s _still_ no solid proof that he’s the dad, the only “proof” is what Nicole said and she isn’t trustworthy. I don’t see any mention of a negative test result from the other guy being presented anywhere in the update (if it’s true that she *only* hooked up with that one guy) and they never went with testing Derek, so it’s possible he’s not the dad.

[@randomusername3873]

The fact that she freaked out and didn't do the test pretty much proves that she is lying

[@heatherweir8726]

Story one. Ops brother will cause the family business to crash and burn within a year or two.

[@cargueone1971]

Story number one. Father never cared, and only cares about his own Ego. Mother is weak, and does not care about her son either. They showed who they love. They only felt remorse after being shamed in Reddit. They got friendly only when it was obvious the brother can't run the company alone. When he showed independence, they threw him emotionally away. Good on him escaping the toxic family

[@jesseflynn1259]

Good for you OP !!!

[@You_said_what1]

It is so easy to walk away from your kid now

[@lenax9798]

I can't wait for an update where the business has failed or a post from brother/father called "AITA for begging my brother/son to come back and repair the family after i kicked him from the business? We are failing and need help!" Because lord knows it will happen. A few people already quit and some projects already moved to OP's company. Its only a matter of time before his company rises and because the popular one and the dad's won't receive any projects

[@GlucoseGuy]

For story 2 - for Nicole to say that they did a test on the other guy on the side and he's not the father... I'd be doubting that statement without actual proof and then validating that proof with the source. Would not be taking Nicole's word on 'that DNA test I did behind your back with the other guy'. If she wants any child support, they're going to need that DNA test done. None of this process of elimination garbage.

[@groofromtheup5719]

S1; I work for a buisiness that is run by 2 brothers that don't really work well together. Dad was right to try to not split it 50-50, those 2 are water and oil. He was a massive moron for doing what he did though. Dad and Bro were complete AHs to hold the buisiness failure against OP.

[@pippo17173]

Family business seems to be the main source for entitle behavior and leads up to a company falling apart because apparently harder workers are the ones stupid enough to follow a dumb family member who has to put family first instead of a already working business.

[@WardenSpectreCommander]

Story1 . When you treat family like an employee and they act accordingly. Don't have the shocked Pikachu face when the employee leaves for greener pastures.

[@digitalharmony26]

Derek doesn’t want to be involved with a pathological liar…so you’re leaving your child with one? Because you don’t want to be a parent anymore? Shitty. I get not wanted to be with Nicole, obviously, but leaving a defenceless child with someone like her? Possibly cruel.

[@LOLtz1]

Story 1: if the father and brother can do that to their own family then what hope would the employees have. Yea, I would quit that company.

[@iAstra]

Regarding making paternity tests mandatory, it's also a way to avoid situations where the baby is accidentally switched. Markee read a story where the husband had taken the paternity test and through the drama that happened, they learned that their kid was actually switched at birth

[@kanelovec4315]

Story 1. Op was in the business longer and was an active ceo for years before dad decided to retire. Op leave and make a business because it will get worse. Op will be the lowest of the lowest pay but be forced to do ceo and management business. All in the NAME of FAMILY. Update. Brother doesn't want op. The father wants op back because the business is failing. Brother showed that op is less than dirt to him and see himself above op when he forced op to go down in pay and position. father still want op help even after this abuse and expecting no reward. Father didn't even apologize just trying to pressure and guilt trip

[@Undomaranel]

Dude, no. If you didn't want to be stuck with a pathological liar for 18 years and be connected to them for life, well, should have vetted her before you risked having a kid together. There's now a baby on the way that if she's not lying (see the other test and get yours done too) you don't get to walk away now because you're not feeling it. That is a baby, a human life you invited to the world. Take responsibility and don't let your kid grow up to repeat the cycle.

[@PokeMaster03]

Story 1 i love happy endings 😊❤ congratulations OP on your wedding and on your new business 🎉🥳

[@carolsimpson4422]

Sounds like Nicole is lying again. If she had actually already confirmed the child's paternity, there'd be no need to avoid a second test.

[@carlrood4457]

So younger brother has been acting CEO, while older brother has been an accountant. I assume the one running the company is the one with established relationships with customers and suppliers. The accountant has none of that and doesn't know enough about the business to know the real world value of the work and equipment.

[@untiedshoelaces2588]

Story 2: Sometimes, you have to become a villain in order to do something good.

[@YuToobVideos]

Story 1: It was super awful to give the company to the brother, them crazy awful not to make ownership 50/50, but to also cut his pay is just insanely cruel and tragic.

[@RylieRiddle]

S1: I really hope OP doesn't invite his mother either. While she seemingly didn't have a hand in the brother getting the family business, she is clearly siding with her oldest son and husband with how she doesn't even look at or talk to OP. None of that central family should be anywhere near his wedding because it's clear he isn't as important as the oldest brother. They will come crawling back when the brother runs the business into the ground, brother will be the first with his hands out while still yelling about him ruining the business.

[@theunknownone5663]

Story one: op brother just wanted to sit back and collect money while making op do all the work with a 20k pay cut. Very entitled, he saw the opportunity and took it. But completely backfire completely.

[@amandasunshine2]

This is why family businesses fail, when they're inherited by people who don't understand the business at all.

[@kermit2jo]

Story 1. Ruin their business. Drive it into the ground and show then how much better you are than them. Make them scramble to keep afloat or sink into debt

[@Barlmoro]

hostile takeover is the way!

[@Mario-SunshineGalaxy64]

Ngl, I was disappointed with the first story. I was expecting a newer update since it has been a year since the last one.

[@yaff1851]

Story 1: This isn’t an accountant problem. All accountants I‘ve ever met were well aware that a 20k pay cut tends to have consequences. Otherwise they wouldn’t approve higher salaries to begin with, would they? And they were perfectly capable of reverting a business decision that has proven to do harm. Doubling down regardless and expecting OP to set himself on fire to keep the business warm, that isn’t something that businesspeople do, that’s what toxic people do. And that’s why the ‚but family‘ argument won’t work. The family dynamics is the root cause of the problem.

[@fcold9402]

Remorse means nothing if you don't do anything. The gaul to ask him to go back and help with the freaking pay cut. No.

[@nkoistrash]

Im in school and i have to take an accounting class and i hate it so much and makes me realize the only people who are accountants are not meant to run a non financial business...🙃

[@rmhartman]

he destroyed the family AND the business

[@rmhartman]

why the hell didn't the father at least split the business between them? CEO, CFO

[@sfsin3380]

I figure that Brother came back to take advantage of his dying Dad (asbestos is really bad) and get control of the company all it would have taken was one moment of weakness caused by a sob story about how Dad didn't spend enough time with him and how he's being punished for going to uni yada, yada, yada all it takes is one signature and it's too late. Unfortunately it's not unheard of for accountants to take advantage dying clients like that. Dad isn't pick older brother over OP. He's picking the business over OP. He can't get the business back so he's trying to save the sinking business the only way he can failing to realize that its' thimble to a deluge.

[@terrysyvertson9205]

story 1: op should cut the brother and dad out of his life forever and not invite them to the wedding

[@rosiecheeks.k]

Omg the varicose vein nutsack part got me 😂😂😂

[@lkayh]

The 2nd story: so at the end, DEREK turns out to be TA, because Derek now refuses to help raise a child he knows is his.

[@randomusername3873]

He doesn't know he's his, he has no reason to trust her and she still don't do the test

[@ajb7530]

1st story, you don't need a degree to run a successful business. Alot of people run successful companies without a degree. What OPs father, brother did to OP is disgusting. OP good job in starting your own company. OP NTA

[@bloonh8tr619]

Story 2 A mandatory paternity test would be a good idea. plus, there was a story where OP's husband did a test and the kid wasnt his. The update then had OP test herself and she wasn't the mother. the hospital gave them the wrong baby and now they're sueing. This is a fear I wish I never knew existed

[@superzooperhaze6597]

exactly! don't just test the father before taking the baby home, test mother and father to make sure you have the right baby!

[@chsparkle]

Yeah, people say testing the father means no mix ups but that makes no sense unless the mother is also tested because otherwise she can be unfairly accused of cheating.

[@carlrood4457]

He not only turned over the CEO position, but his authority as owner as well? Did he actually sign ownership over to the older son? Otherwise, how could he not change his mind as he said he should have?

[@andrewreviewschannel883]

First story lol if he care about the company after his dad kick him out and give it to his brother

[@notconvincedgranny6573]

Story 1: my dad worked for a contractor who never went to college, but learned by experience, started a business, and built it up. His son, Jr., grew up in the business, learned from the ground up, eventually took over, and built it up more. His son, III, went to college, never worked in the business, inherited the business, didn't listen to his managers/supervisors/workers in the business (what? I'm a college grad!) and the business was dead within six years. MCD - Myth of the College Degree - strikes again. Last story: so when Derek didn't know if it was his he was all-in; now he knows and he's completely out? It's your kid, deadbeat Derek; please, PLEASE, get yourself snipped.

[@Barlmoro]

i still not beliefe it is his 1) she only say she did the test with the other. what profe she not lie at this point. and 2) if she is sure he must be why freaking out? sounds like there is a potenial 3 or X more possible dads.

[@nuyabuisness7526]

I say this as a college student going for a highly technical degree: Truly skilled tradesmen are some of the most impressively intelligent people I have ever met. Master electricians and plumbers that have such a depth of knowledge tempered by years of experience, and an inherent work ethic and frugal nature. I've met people with masters degrees living hand to mouth in their 40s, and I have met master craftsmen with a paid off house and high 6 figure net worth before they are 40.

[@DisneyChar]

That 1st story is old and had more info elsewhere. The ops fiance was pregnant by his brother and she left to be with him, the family doubled down again, op was about to end it alone with nobody around. At this point he's already dead or ran off to another country and rebuilt himself.

[@torukurebayashi1960]

Story 2: there's a second reason why the test should be done for everyone, and actually it should be done before the kid goes home or after birth and before it goes home. Reason 1: To make sure who the father is Reason 2: To make sure who the mother is, and hence that the kid hasn't been switched. But damn, he is disgusting for dropping his kid like that. She needs to go through with the DNA test, but considering he now "is sure" he is the father, he has dropped his actual kid like a hot potato. He should rather have fought for full custody. What a piece of crap guy to just up and leave his kid. I hope he becomes infertile and the kid will never allow him into it's live. Also, "Just get an abortion"...at 8 months?? This guy makes me vomit just by knowing he exists.

[@theunknownone5663]

Story one: reck them all op.

[@tifadreamers]

Heard story 2 before but without the final update, so I'm happy that I could find the update here. I still think that Nicole wasn't exactly truthful at the end either. If she had already done the blood work with the other guy and was sure that the baby would be Derek's, why was she so scared about getting another test? then she said she wasn't going to pursue child support? that sounds hella sus. sounds like there's another guy and she just didn't want to get the baby tested with Derek's DNA cause then she'll have to come clean about doing the deed with multiple other guys during the few DAYS they broke up or that she was cheating throughout their relationship. At least Derek is out of that drama. won't blame him for not wanting in her or the baby's life (cause it might not be his, who knows). she sounds like a mess.

[@missingbobsburgers]

Story 2- why did she freak out when she’d already eliminated the only other possible father? She could have done the test and played the victim and never told him he wasn’t the sperm donor. Either there are more options for “who’s the daddy” or the other test said other guy was the father but he’s less of a provider than the friend. My money is no door #2

[@carolscott9330]

I feel like brother got in and sort of forced Dad to hand him the job. Something will come out sooner or later. and I feel like it will be bad. hold on. and get all your chicks in a row. because as brother take the old company down they will try to hold you for it. good luck

[@dianabialaskahansen2972]

Story 1: Really hoping the family business goes bankrupt. And that most money was tied up in it and relied on it. Seems like OP is on the path to success. Maybe then he'll simply buy the failed company and make sure the father and brother does not get a single dime (since the money would pay debts first).

[@astronautviolet153]

Story 1 NTA Op father really should have been 50/50 both brothers half a part of the family business.

[@carlrood4457]

The problem with making paternity tests mandatory is the same people who'd make such a law would also have to explain to voters why the number of kids on government assistance has been risen so much. All the test does is prove/disprove the person the mother claims is the daddy. Any other guys would have to be tracked down and tested separately.

[@TarynBell]

Story 1: The Accountant brother wanted to use this sister to “knock his other brother down”. He is jealous.

[@carlrood4457]

So there was a third guy in there somewhere? If she's 100% sure Derek's the father, why freak out at the test?