I Told My Sister That She Should Stop Valuing Herself And Prepare For The Worst r/Relationships

[@redconvoy]

The First one-No. Op is not an Ahole. Sis needed to hear it. Sorry.

[@robertx8020]

Those commenters are either not reading or have their head so deep in their asses that they can't see.. OP didn't want to say anything but was forrced by them ..and all the stuff like "are you a parent ' is BS! E.G. I'm not a woman so I can't have an opinion on someone who SA-ed a woman? BS!

[@Mr.andMrs.Smith_0420]

Agree 100%!

[@9foxgrl15]

Sounds like the entire relay was a mess already.

[@clockwork3494]

Agreed. As a side note, who gives af about being "the first grandparent" to see the baby? It's such a ridiculous and petty thing, just let either of them see the child rather than make it some stupid bragging rights competition. OP's sister and mother are jerks for that beacuse you know damn well they would've rubbed it in the husband and his now deceased mother's face should she still be alive, wtf is wong with them.

[@Sydney_With_A_Why]

Don't blame the messenger. Someone had to tell Eve her relationship was over, and she seems delusional.

[@LadyBern]

Right? Mom was probably in her ear too. "Ok he's mourning but he has no right to be this way. You apologized. You and my grandbaby can stay right here for as long as you want so you can teach him a lesson. He'll realize how much he's missing you and how wrong he was, I bet he'll come crawling back apologizing to you by next week."

[@ChasehaWing]

First Story: This is a test by Jack. Jack is not "milking it" nor "taking advantage" of the sister's desperation to keep the marriage together. Nor are his terms abusive. But for what sounds like the last two years since daughter was conceived, maybe more, Jack and his wants, needs, suggestions and role has been undermined and ignored. He was constantly shouted down and minimalized by his wife and her mother, and what sounds like on the verge of verbally abused for even SUGGESTING that maybe his MIL shouldn't travel so close to the due date. His wife agreed with EVERYTHING her mom said/ did, and when things got too tough with dealing with the consequences of HER actions, she left to HER mother's house. Where her crap behavior would continue to be enabled. Just a reminder: Jack can't ever see his mother again. Because she's dead. And the wife's actions made it so she would never, ever see her grand daughter, because his wife agreed with his selfish MIL. So these conditions, these are him basically stating "if you're serious about making things work and prioritizing the marriage, than here are my terms. Me and my family come first. Your mother, who is the reason this all happened and whom you are your shittiest self around, needs to be distanced from. I want equal control over the child WE made, and want naming rights which you TOOK from me. For the entirety of the pregnancy I put you first and suffered for it. Now you're going to put me first, or we co-parent." And honestly, this makes sense. He needs security in the relationship. He needs to see how serious his wife actually is, and everyone who says "she's a first time mother give her slack." He's a first time father who just lost his mom. HE needs just as much support. So yeah. This will either show the wife/ Op's sister is serious about taking accountablity and putting her hubby first... or she'sll fail, go back to her enabling mom, and be single It's up to her to rebuild.

[@dianathum6420]

Totally agree with you!

[@kp2223]

💯 we'll see if eve passes the test

[@kentario1610]

"Her husband may never forgive her, but that's not on her." HUH??? How is it _not_ on her?

[@ajzephyros7454]

I think they might have meant it's not up to her. As in she can't make him forgive her

[@charondusk5608]

@@ajzephyros7454 I'm hoping that is what that commentor meant, but given this is reddit, where commentors will go out of their way to make a woman look like good guy even when she isn't, especially in AITA....

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@ajzephyros7454 no its on her means she fked up. its her fault

[@Nielak-dg8nj]

@@samiulhuda4001 Oh she didn't just fk up. She accidentally dropped a nuke and she needs to learn to live in the fallout.

[@CC-bn2ws]

Reddit is stupid, they will still blame him for her actions.

[@demonheart13]

"Her husband may never forgive her, but thats not her fault" God reddit cab be sooo stupid. Its exactly her fault, for holding her own child hostage. This is what happens when you unilaterally decide to run a partnership.

[@Desertdreamer24]

She was horrible. That mother of the mom who gave birth who wouldn’t let ANYONE SEE THE BABY TILL SHE MET HER?! Are you kidding me?!

[@lisakaz35]

I agree. Mega selfish. Don't blame OP or the STBX. Pregnancy nor childbirth caused that nor the wife agreeing to that toxic demand. The mother sounds like a narcissist.

[@hwiley8141]

I have seen this quite a few times now. Person decides they should be the first person to see/ hold baby. Something intevenes and person cant see baby. Everyone else made to wait. Pretty entitled.

[@robertx8020]

Her kid, her rules? Ok Her kid, her problem /s

[@CC-bn2ws]

Yea but she changed! To who she really was.

[@juliearmfield2634]

Story 1. Nta. The mom sounds like she has had a large amount of control over what her sister does and Jack has just taken the back seat. It sounds like they both have had his balls in a basket for a long time and he's just taking him back

[@KadeStringer2.0]

True story.

[@bhart3321]

Right! I saw this one the other day & all the people saying Jack is going too far don't really understand the implications of what his wife & mil did. He kowtowed too much in the name of being a "good husband" that she thought she had carte blanche to be disrespectful to him for months. He needed to "take advantage" of the situation to reassert himself in his relationship & give her a nice big heaping helping of humility, without that she can't find the respect she lost for him. However I still don't see this marriage lasting. Eve is too influenced by her mother & OP sees it.

[@Rukiah1]

S1: why is it that the concern only started when there were restrictions at on baby's interaction with wife's family? This woman blocked Jack's family from visiting the baby for weeks, made unilateral decisions on baby names, only allowed him to choose a middle name from an approved list of HER chosen middle names, tore into him when he expressed concerns about her mother leaving to the aunt's in wife's 3rd trimester, and that was after she decided mom was gonna be in the delivery room. At what point do we call her or on weaponizing the baby? And now she's weaponized her PPD diagnosis to come up with a list of restrictions to keep him in the marriage. I wouldn't put it past her to use this against him in the future. Sister is trash and he needs to run.

[@bbjjbb61]

She has female genitalia of course. Us women get all kinds of passes for the craziest stuff.

[@jennmarie1527]

Exactly! I hate that women think just because you carry the baby means you get to make every decision. It takes two to make a child. The father has just as much say, unless he's an absentee father. Other than that, he has just as much right. You may have carried the kid, but his seed is the reason that kid was created. I also hate women who use the, "I'm giving birth, I'm carrying the baby" card. So what? Want a medal? Women do it every single day! It doesn't make you special, it makes you a pregnant woman. Lol

[@robertx8020]

I guess she made it clear that it is not his kid /s He can go on with his life and save a lot of CS

[@mortisrat]

He can't just run. He'd get little to no custody and would pay through the nose for the privilege. He's ensuring he spends every day with his kid and that the ties with HIS family are stronger. If he has half a brain he'll also be taking on primary parenting roles and slowly decreasing work hours so that when the kid is older and he leaves, he'll get primary custody and SHE can pay. Then when he finds a nice woman and has a real family he will not have to lose the daughter he loves, just the burden he made the mistake of creating her with.

[@robertx8020]

@@mortisrat Anjd how is 'less income' going to help his case?

[@owl7072]

Story 2: So she's allowed to just completely disappear for _2+ months_ the _day_ after she gets married because she "needed it for her mental health", but when Op celebrates his birthday with someone else because _he_ needed it for _his_ mental health after she _literally left him to go vacation by herself during what was supposed to be their honeymoon,_ she's upset?

[@loganjoh1]

“She was upset she couldn’t spend my birthday with me” and he should’ve hit her with a “and I wished I could spend our honeymoon with you but we can’t always get what we want now can we?”

[@terrysyvertson9205]

the wife is obviously cheating on op

[@nondisclosure3920]

I think Markee is right about the Titanic submersible. That comment did make me laugh, I have a dark sense of humour, lol

[@SapphWolf]

Story 2: "I didn't ask about my wife's trip, I asked about what I did." Yeah, and what you did is small potatoes my man. Your wife used the fact that you're getting married as an excuse to get 2 months off from work to tour Europe without you. There's no glossing over that. In what GALAXY is that an acceptable thing to do to your newlywed husband!?!? And she's sad you weren't there to pick her up from the airport and decided to spend your birthday with people who don't take you for granted and is still sad that you seem upset with her? Can't imagine why!

[@caseydemmings6666]

Reddit can't read or they didnt read in the first post .

[@taylorwashington7682]

Reading comprehension is hard for reddit a lot of the time. Jack is acting out of anger and guilt but he'll probably let up after he settles into counseling. And his family has every right to not like Eve now. I surely wouldn't. I don't feel bad for Eve because her actions led to this happening. I hope things work out for them though.

[@savanna8103]

i didn't hear it well either but i still didn't think op was the ah lol

[@stellamccoy5259]

I don't think that they teach reading comprehension anymore.

[@Chlober_Official]

It's because Eve is a poor defenseless mother *eye roll*

[@fox0yeah410]

Everyone calling OP the AH is full of shit 😂😂😂😂😂 ops sis was like my babe do as I say, women like that are selfish twats that only put themselves 1st. Only AH here is the mug that married her and had a kid with IT.

[@whitney10784]

Reddit is stupid. Her sister deserved to be told that because she obviously wasn’t getting what she did wrong.

[@Bucketus.Lord.of.Buckets]

Eve is a real Cee U Next Tuesday. Everything was about her. Then, when he's horribly hurt and lost his mother, she decides to "teach him a lesson" because he didn't give in to her once She is NTA.

[@bhart3321]

Well he did kowtow to her way too much so she lost respect for him & felt she was justified in being as disrespectful as she was. That's why he needed to "take advantage" of the situation to reestablish his respect in this marriage. He had no choice she needed humbling & boundaries. Still don't see this marriage lasting though. She seems too influenced by her mother, she has the same haughty attitude her mother has.

[@aleksandrac9335]

She is the one who was pregnant and who gave birth. It should be all about her!

[@slippyquack7672]

​@@aleksandrac9335no.

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@aleksandrac9335 lol no. thats her fking job. she gets to be taken care of but doesnt get to dictate sht coz THEY are having a baby. its as much her baby as his

[@aleksandrac9335]

@@samiulhuda4001 he is not pregnat

[@iljuro]

Story 1: As I read it Jack has made 3 demands. Only one of them seem vengeful - the information diet for OP's mom. The other 2 seem aimed at limiting Eve's control, that until then seems to have been really unhealthy. Jack only got to pick a middle name from a list Eve provided?!? Jack's side of the family didn't get to meet the baby for months?!? Jack's just making sure Eve can't steamroll him any longer.

[@Sherwoody]

I get the impression that Jack got walked on by Eve throughout the marriage. Everything she wanted, she got. Now he’s flipped the dynamic of the relationship. This is not a healthy marriage and I don’t see it lasting.

[@iljuro]

@@Sherwoody We don't know that he's flipped it. He got to name the baby, and he can flip it regarding the holidays if he wants to. According to OP he's always been reasonable so we don't know that he will abuse it like OP's sister did

[@samiulhuda4001]

eve needs to be controlled.

[@MargaritaOnTheRox]

​@@samiulhuda4001 Nah. They both need to learn how to work in a PARTNERSHIP. Neither seems to know how to do that. Either one dominates or the other, but they're not working together.

[@robertx8020]

@@MargaritaOnTheRox I feel like we have been reading different stories Where did the man not communicate? Or not work towards a solution? She vetoed him every time!

[@lauragarza7585]

Story one has me completely puzzled on the original commenters. It sounds like OP‘s mom had a ridiculous amount of control over her daughter and her being on a strict diet and having limited pictures is very fair considering Jack’s mother will never hold her grandchild. she never got to meet her.

[@carlrood4457]

I agree. How does the guy write this and not see how messed up his "marriage" is. The fact that he in any way thinks he could be in the wrong shows he's a people pleaser and she knows it.

[@EluneAnzu]

Story 1: "Her husband may never forgive her, but that's not on her.". My guy, it 1000% is, she showed him where he stands in their relationship and it's for some reason below her mom, she literally didn't even discuss it with her husband she just decided "Nah, your mom doesn't get to see *our* kid, only my mom does."

[@ebagentj]

Story 2: This dude has gone past being naive, he's just the living embodiment of the "this is fine" meme. It took a bunch of people pointing out he should probably get out of the burning building before he stopped and thought "you know, they're right, this is kind of fucked up. I've got some thinking to do". OP needs some of Story 1's sister's self-confidence transplanted into him, because dude has zero self respect and that's sad.

[@terrysyvertson9205]

op's wife is obviously cheating on op

[@lynnw7155]

She goes away for 2+ months the day after their wedding. She comes back; now OP leaves for a month because he needs time away from her. Makes you wonder why they got married.

[@paolagutierrez2568]

Who gets married and then takes a 2 month European trip by herself, the next day!

[@malvoleus]

A gold digger who snagged her meal ticket & wanted to start spending his money asap. While getting pounded by as many guys as possible along the way.

[@bhart3321]

Someone that doesn't actually care about their husband & just spent 2 months getting run through by eurotrash chads

[@Taecoconut]

A cheater

[@datmanydocris]

Someone who wants to, how shall I put this, _sample a wide variety of European meats._

[@CC-bn2ws]

As he said, she had a blast, probably a whole bunch of blasts!

[@juanhaines7295]

Story 1 I heard this one before. Jack should have left her.

[@Russman67]

Jack is not being controlling here. He has however seen what happens when he allowed Eve to take complete control of the situation. What Eve did can never be fixed. And she did it to please her mom. If Eve wants this relationship to work with Jack, she needs to work her way out of the hole she just dug with an earthmover.

[@ADWebTV]

He probably regrets not going against her and just letting his mom see the baby. Her mom is so dumb for even creating this issue. I can only imagine their mom is controlling. It's crazy that they forget all the random people who have seen the baby. That's hard to get pass. I can't see how he stays with her. It's one thing if that was the the postpartum alone but it also was influenced by her mom.

[@jrod1591]

@@ADWebTVyes he was a doormat and decided THIS was the straw. It took his mother dying and not seeing his kid for weeks to not realize it. It was just that traumatic. Anyone else would have left but he’s staying because the doormat in him is still there.. but mostly because his wife is giving up “a lot” Which isn’t alot.

[@peelthismonkey]

Honestly, Reading this whole story and OP's sister being "I carried this Child, i get the final say" type bullshit. Now jack has to live the rest of his Life with the Voice of his Mother in his head wanting to see the Baby. How much she was looking for it, And cause of his Wife pulling the "I carried it for 9months, i get the final say" Bullshit. It's his Farking Child as well. It's both there Kids. He has the same amount of Rights as her. But then the Update come's and all the Commentors are Blasting the Husband for being Controlling and yet what did the Wife do in part 1. Being way to Controlling.

[@MoonWomanStudios]

Right? I said I had the final say ^only^ when he wanted to name our (white) baby Dabricashaw

[@zenoohshit5498]

Reddit is a Misandrist hellscape where women don’t ever do wrong, or there’s a “reasonable” excuse for their shitty Human behavior

[@dre1978]

The comments on the first story is why I deleted Reddit. Reading comprehension is lacking in too many damn people. This girl, she ain't grown enough to be called a lady or woman, blocked her MIL from seeing her first grandbaby for purely selfish reasons and now she has to deal with the consequences. That babe is apart of two families, not just hers. Pulling the I just gave birth card to manipulate her husband is just low. Now she's surprised her husband may not be able to forgive her for her utter selfish acts that lead to his mother dying without ever seeing his daughter. He should've taken the baby to see his mom anyway. She was being completely unreasonable After update: Jack needs to hop ship now. She's not taking responsibility for her actions by pulling the "I'm mentally unwell you can't be mad at me". She's blaming the situation on her illness, not her actions. Your illness does not negate your actions, you still did it and need to own it in order for ANYONE to actually forgive you. This poor kid

[@mrbas5150]

Story 1 divorce her, Story 2 divorce her. These women are just horrible selfish people.

[@kuno3336]

No OP2 shouldn't divorce her, he should get an annulment

[@Davtwan]

It’s true no one could have seen the aunt being cheated on. It’s true no one could have seen Jack’s mom passing away. What Eve could have seen is... How to make a proper apology. How grieving over extreme tragedy takes months or even years. How to own up being a catalyst to Jack’s mom never seeing his child. How their relationship may not be the same even if they do everything right from that point on. How PPD and other mental conditions doesn’t mean automatic forgiveness. I doubt over-correcting and putting a bunch of restrictions, especially against someone with PPD, is going to fix this either. Hopefully they both have a great counselor that recommends separation with healthy co-parenting, because five years of this does not sound sustainable.

[@arleneclark6369]

The mother calling Jack controlling is freaking rich considering SHE'S the one who demandef to meet the baby first .

[@boneymeroney2674]

Wait wait... so wife went on the honeymoon "alone"? Op needs to verify this. 😂 We all know it's not going to make any difference. 😂

[@ShadowknightEX]

Her using her diagnosis that way is WHY she is getting such harsh treatment. He’s almost definitely gonna divorce her because she refuses to acknowledge her problems

[@HunnieSuckle24]

I'm not mad at Jack regarding these terms and conditions. He's being justifiably unreasonable just as Eve and her mother were being. No one said boo about how unreasonable they were but now that the tables have turned, Mom's crying foul and controlling. Nope! He lost so much for being too accommodating. Let Eve and her mother stew in their own shit for awhile. 5 years is nothing. At least she's still able to see her granddaughter as opposed to his mother who will never get the opportunity. Wait until Lori is of age and they tell her the story of why her grandma never got to see her. That won't go over well in the next 16-18 years. Eve better prepare herself for that.

[@mohsinAli-hq1nd]

The commenters in the first post dont UNDERSTAND what jack is doing here. He's not trying to save the marriage. He is getting payback by limiting the maternal Grandma's contact. He is also punishing the woman that didnt let his mother see HIS baby. I mean, think about it. A partrnership is between two people, yet his poor mom got villianized because... The propably 50+ maternal Grandma was acting like a womanchild? That's not fair. That man lost his mother, his wife is a controlling shit and he now has to live with his daughter and will always be reminded that the woman that raised him NEVER got to see her. He isnt trying to save the relationship. He is taking revenge. He will bleed that woman dry with guilt, take her daughter from her family and ice her out of his. And in 5 years, her PPD will be better, so he will leave her. And honestly, good for him.

[@ShadowknightEX]

I agree with everything you say but call the Grandmother a WOMANchild. Small complaint though.

[@xelectrix]

All of this could have been avoided if people would get over themselves. Why does it matter who gets to see the baby first? This whole thing is a mess. Also, that comment that asked if OP is married or had a kid etc...🙄 Stfu, so people can only have opinions if that have a similar experience? I don't have kids but I've been a kid. So is my opinion that you shouldn't slap your kid around valid?

[@mohsinAli-hq1nd]

@@ShadowknightEX am sorry am sorry. Will fix 👍

[@franciebelcher4594]

That's fair. I would've dumped her. Period.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

It's amazing how many people missed this. I don't think the OP even sees it. This marriage is over.

[@139139mimi]

Story 1: OPs mother sounds like she is the just no MIL towards Jack.

[@paulineisme]

"Jack is the only one who wins". TF? He is resentful of his wife, his marriage is falling apart, his freaking mom DIED, AND she never got to meet his daughter. He won though because he gets to pay money for his daughter's name to have something to do with him as well. TF Reddit?

[@samiulhuda4001]

spare the rod spoil the child. reddit is mostly teens who never met a belt. 90% percent are also pronoun nancies what do u expect

[@dragonagegirl]

Obviously he doesn't win in terms of the grief of his mother not meeting the granddaughter. The sister allowed herself to be manipulated by her mother and was wrong. However, the way he's taking it out on her isn't healthy, especially considering they are working on reconciling. She is still the mother of that baby. Changing the name of a baby who is nearly 1 years old is dumb, and it does not consider the fact that she did in fact carry that baby for 9 months, and went through major bodily, hormonal and psychological changes. PPD is no joke, it literally can rewire your brain. He's clearly not going to forgive her, so they need to just end it and move on, and work out a fair co-parenting plan . He wants her to hurt as much as he is hurting and that's not healthy for either. For both of their sakes a split needs to happen and the sister needs to not be given hope of reconciliation when there clearly isn't any

[@samiulhuda4001]

@@dragonagegirl carrying the baby for 9 months is not the be all and end all. neither is ppd. changing the babies name after a year isnt dumb. what was dumb is the mother deciding the whole name by herself in the first place. they should split but he should remain in control of the baby. and not having the wifes toxic mother in the babies life is a good thing.

[@emo7636]

​@dragonagegirl OK and 'he is still the father of that baby', to use your phrase. Why does that count for so very little with so many of you.

[@zenoohshit5498]

@@emo7636Because they hate Men, why else?😂

[@xavimontero2615]

First story, if the op mom instructed/demanded to be the first then I say that the restriction op bil put on her is warranted and justified. And at the very least, it will lead to a path of reconciliation. Eventually it will be forgiven. But for now, it is hope for the best.

[@evavocative6975]

Story 1: This entire take is INSANE. OP laughed on reflex at the ABSURDITY of Mom's logic after Eve had already ruined her marriage. I don't blame Jack for being so resentful to Eve for not allowing his mother to meet her granddaughter.

[@Daydream_N]

Story 1: so jack didn't originally have a say in what they named their daughter at all? And his family didn't meet the baby until she was a year old? It doesn't even seem like Eve treated Jack like her husband, just a sperm donor. That marriage won't last

[@johnchristopher4341]

As somebody who is a parent. And is married. Opie has every right say something because they are entitled to their opinion and she should not have kept her mother-in-law away from seeing that baby after they were born. Unless the mother-in-law was a danger to the infant

[@kp2223]

Right! I am also a married in love parent, and I think Eve was a total a hole

[@HoodieHorizon]

this is one of he stories where you KNOW if the genders were flipped then the commenters would 100000% be on OP's side

[@80soa]

Lmao the "are you married?" like... You don't need to be married or have a kid to know that there's no coming back from this.

[@mindyschocolate]

Agreed.

[@Aziza_Nyxie_Jynx_Ashling]

The second story has left me thinking op is so used to his wife doing stuff like this. Like this IS normal for him, and now he is realizing that, this treatment that he is so used to, is not ok

[@dazzysomo5411]

Love from south africa😭working on a project now and already watched all ur vids, thanks to my boyfriend

[@datmanydocris]

Story 1: "my mom is NOT happy with any of this and is calling Jack a controlling AH" Oh that is rich. Even if we cede that Jack is being a controlling AH in this situation, which myself and a sizable portion of people do not believe to be the case, that has got to be one of the biggest examples of the pot calling the kettle black I have ever seen because both the sister and the mother were being controlling AH by refusing to allow anyone to see the baby before the mother who, might I remind you, abandoned her daughter before she gave birth to go be with her sister and then continually delayed coming back to see the baby resulting in Jack's mother dying before she could meet her first grandchild. Even if the mother is on a strict information diet, _at least she actually gets to meet her first grandchild unlike Jack's mom,_ which was a situation that was _SOLELY_ due to the mother's own narcissism and controlling AHness. Piss off.

[@fallingawayfromthenorm]

Story 1 - That poor baby, after the update both parents sound beyond unhealthy as hell and like they’re going to screw that kid up. That kid stands no chance…

[@keshaponso2034]

What's wrong with Jack?

[@dre1978]

I feel like Jack is just acting out of grief and anger at this point. He's also still being manipulated by Eve; considering OP said he wasn't open to counseling until the PPD diagnosis and she's saying he can't be mad at her cause she's unwell. I'm betting that after a few months of couples counseling he'll realize she see's no fault in her actions and she'll go back to pulling manipulative bs once she feels she's "done enough"

[@samiulhuda4001]

divorce or not jack needs to control eve and needs to put her and her family in their place. jack is not doing anything wrong.

[@sarascarpati887]

@@dre1978 i agree, but that kid is still very screwed... like why stay together at this stage?

[@dre1978]

@@sarascarpati887 I'm guessing the combination of grief, anger, and SIL's manipulation is causing him to not think far enough ahead. Right now all he's thinking about is the fact his mother didn't get to even see his daughter before death while having his wife whispering in his ear it's not her fault "because she's ill". He wants to believe his wife isn't the cruel person she obviously is and it was just an illness. He wants to believe the woman he married is as kind and understanding as he was during her pregnancy. I think he should've stayed away until he got in with his own therapist to work through his emotions but poor man is dealing with A LOT from every possible angle so his ability to think for the long term is likely shot rn

[@EightPointedStar]

Story 1: I think we're hearing a JNMIL story from the perspective of the (JN?)SIL. I couldn't see a therapist sanctioning this type of arrangement unless OP's sister had a revelation about their mother's negative influence. Insisting on being the only person to see the baby first is JN behavior and the non-apologies are probably learned JN behavior.

[@meadowsong8560]

NTA. If someone says something delusional sometimes a laugh slips out. I would never forgive my partner for that.

[@kxs7267]

Story 2: Markee on top form with his references - Oppenheimer *and* the submersible! But I do really want to know what happens ultimately in both these stories, though it'll be a miracle if either pulls out a happy ending.

[@HattielyEverAfter1995]

Story 1: Nta-if you don’t want to know an answer ,don’t ask a question. x

[@bobbirobinson8213]

To the commentors saying OP is wrong are way out of line. From the sounds of things someone needed to tell the delusional sister and her mother exactly how they screwed up. Their actions were deplorable.

[@fleacythesheepgirl]

Too many people act like giving birth is a spectator sport not a medical procedure. So I agree with supporting the person giving birth so they and the baby are as healthy as possible but all this “my mom has to see the baby first” nonsense is crazy. NTA

[@diamcole]

5:29 Completely disagree. My sister and I have an incredibly close bond, neither of us have ever been willing to bite our tongue or lie to each other for the sake of fluff. OP's sister needed a wake up call, it should have come from mom but she's a massive enabler and just as much of a problem - OP was right to tell her the truth, it was time to hear it.

[@kevinj1855]

Yeah, I mean she was the direct reason the husband's mom died before seeing the grandchild, she was being incredibly controlling,even refusing a VIDEO chat. If it had been the husband doing that, everyone would be jumping up and down shouting "abuse" but it's okay when a woman does it.

[@sandeesandwich2180]

Story 2: Why oh why could OP not have joined her for a week or two right after the wedding, and then she could have done the rest of the trip solo? Jeez. I don't think the wife views herself as single, I think she views herself as the star of their relationship where whatever outrageous request she makes is an automatic yes.

[@bhart3321]

Because she doesn't actually care about her husband. Lets be honest she just spent 2 months getting run through by eurotrash chads & OP let her. Dude needs to find his spine like Jack did. Of course he needs the annulment & send her back to the streets where she obviously wants to be.

[@IrisAsuras]

I am surprised, other readers who read this story focused on some of the comments calling the sister an AH and not OP. The sister is the AH. Fully. The wife is absolute crap and so is their mom.

[@lindalehr1551]

Story 2. Who wanted to get marry? This post left me confused. One thing, until we know if they both make about the same financially or if one makes mora, can't say if there is a gold digger. OP never states she didn't pay for her trip with her own funds

[@MargaritaOnTheRox]

Wow. Both stories were wildly different, but both the epitome of the dog in the house on fire saying "everything is fine." 🙂

[@blank_801]

S1: the terms that were laid out could be because the husband has had to deal with several other problems in the marriage and is no longer willing to just bear it after the lost of his mom.

[@betheguy_posts]

Some of the comments on the first part of post 1 do *NOT* pass the vibe check, yikes 😬 edit: Damn the whole update to that post doesn't pass the vibe check. Those people are broken, sad...

[@mohsinAli-hq1nd]

I literally got done watching one of your videos and this one shows up 😂

[@zoegoodfellow1988]

SAME!

[@YellaBellaReno]

S1: This is how being selfish can make you an asshole. Yes, you can make selfish decisions without being overtly cruel or behaving like a monster, but when you make selfish choices and there are negative repercussions, you cannot suddenly remove yourself from the equation and just write it off as bad luck. If you want to be in charge and make all the decisions, you should probably think about who the consequences are going to fall back on, if only to cover your own, selfish ass. S2: Had to come back and edit this comment, because holy crap, how could you not comment on a story like this?! Like, what in the actual hell? It was already insane when I thought she was using their honeymoon time to take a solo trip instead. Then to find out the trip was TWO MONTHS long?! I get wanting to do a solo trip, but if you have two months, why not go on your honeymoon together for the first two weeks (or even a month), and THEN spend the rest of the time on your solo trip? It makes zero sense. Poor, OP. How did he let this happen? Did he just lie to everyone who asked? If he didn’t, I can’t imagine his friends and family all kept their opinions to themselves when confronted with that information, especially if they already had reservations about OP’s new wife.

[@hwiley8141]

S1: this is why things are going bad. People making decisions are not held accountable/ see no repercussions. Upward mobiliy in USA is very low in USA. Not because there are no shin8ng stars com8ng out of the lower classes but because the upper just cant fail. Ruin a company, get a golden parachute and get another CEO job. Break the law? The judge will let you off lightly because you were rich, so you werent taught right from wrong.

[@InvasionAnimation]

story 2 wow bop is dumb. What a good doormat he will be.

[@Elrigger]

Please Markee keep following this and update

[@driversuz44]

Story 1: According to Redditards, anyone who hurts the fee-fees of any woman within a year of giving birth, is the AH. Nothing is ever her fault. Never.

[@mindyschocolate]

S1: grandma put marriage drama of another kid over the birth of a grandchild and both punished Jack’s mom for it. NTA. Eve is a very selfish person and deprived his mom from seeing her grandchild before she passed. That’s unforgivable in my eyes. I don’t blame Jack or OP. She needed to hear it. Good luck to that kid with a mom like that.

[@maxinemyers9215]

Love to see the update on story 2, thanks Markee !

[@JasperCatProductions]

Story one she should just divorce Jack, co parent with dignity and move on. This is just ridiculous.

[@michaell872]

S1 nta I get the impression that Jack's family was never prioritied in that relationship, which is the reason for the new restrictions.

[@CygnusPrime]

*Story 2* I trust my wife because I FaceTimed her every day. I can bet that while she was on her two-month solo euro trip she was hooking up left and right what other reason does she want for going solo and not with her new husband.

[@phantom-pr6op]

I remember my ex sprung on me pretty last minute that she was going to be away for a year on a religious retreat without much use of her phone. It kind of took me a long time to realize that was kind of messed up. Until recently i sounded a lot like OP.

[@mikeremski2102]

"I know we just got married but I need to use our honeymoon time to have a solo trip to hook up with all the guys I was never going to get a chance to"

[@thetem123]

Reddit refuses to think when a dude gets screwed over

[@loganjoh1]

it's such a blind hatred they have when a man is in any type of conflict with his wife or girlfriend no matter how cleary in the wrong she may be

[@smalcal6365]

Gender struggle wars

[@mindyschocolate]

Agreed. Eve and her mom are major AHs.

[@AndreNDP]

Eve would have been dead to me. I'd do anything in my power to make sure she never saw her child again.

[@carlrood4457]

We all know the 5 years thing won't hold. If if ever forgives, he'll ease up. If they divorce, the custody order will split it more equitably.

[@kristinadjurfors8280]

PLEASE EVERYONE WHO REGULARLY ARE HERE AND LISTENING TO ALL THESE STORIES MARKEE IS PROVIDING US WITH A LIKE 👍👍👍👍👍IT’S THE SMALLEST WE CAN DO FOR THANKING HIM FOR HIS HARD WORK. ❤ Never ever do I see the likes matching the views, it also helps the channel a lot. Obviously we are a lot of people appreciating the stories. So why don’t we leave a like it’s so easy to do. Thank you 🙏 ❤👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@IsisRenee1]

NTA. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I would never forgive my spouse. OPs sister screwed her husband and is petty as hell. She didn’t care about her husband’s family. OPs mom is selfish and spiteful.

[@Dan_Hazard]

First op nta, the grandma wasn't even the first person to see the baby, why did she need the bragging rights of being the first granny to see the baby, did she think she was more loved if she did, both marriages in this story are on a sinking boat while using thimbles to scoop out the water 😅 🤦🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️

[@wildwikedwanderer1208]

Story 1: jack is doing nothing wrong. Sis and OPs mother are the cause of this. I wish jack the best and op too. The other two not so much.

[@teddychu1177]

Hatless, giggling Markee! whoo!!

[@mikef2811]

S2: I am 1,000% she was very busy enjoying her "European" Men on that vacation.

[@0michelleki020]

Story 1 is a bloody mess, the Bil should leave Eve she does not sound healthy to be around ppd or not. I think it would be better if they just started co-parenting and got out of eachothers hair as much as possible.

[@miamiare9642]

If my mom abandoned me for her sister, id happily disown my mom.

[@LololoriShow]

Good for you telling your entitled sister she will reap endless tears for holding baby back from now deceased mothernlaw....she needs to accept that this is never going to sit ok with her grieving husband..the new norm will be divorce

[@CGossRunnn]

The sister needed to be kicked when she was down to realize how big she fucked up

[@vitisvinifera1590]

Story 2: if she needed a mental health break, fine. If it's for two months, cool. If it's solo, awesome. If it's in another continent, super. BUT NOT WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR HONEYMOON. I'm not even married yet and I know that Edit to go along with op's edit: he's definitely not in the wrong for spending time with ppl who didn't leave him when it mattered, and not wrong for ignoring, even inadvertently, someone who did

[@bluexwings]

S1: I can totally see Jack feeling like his wife is too enmeshed with her mom. But his demands are a bit too restrictive. I think he and OP's sister need a lot of individual and couples therapy.

[@Ecclectic_citcelccE]

Update sounds like structured LC for Jack's MIL (OPs mother).

[@TheListyRayne]

It’s no longer Walt’s Disney. And look how well The Blind did! It was an awesome movie!

[@Desertdreamer24]

Someone’s needs to tag Charlotte Dobre or send this first story and last story to her.

[@nadashaelkerson6385]

Eve needs strict boundaries. Her husband put up with EVERYTHING she wanted through the pregnancy. He only got to be in the room for the birth because Eve's mother bailed at the last minute, then his own mother was prevented from ever meeting her first grand baby because of her continued mental instability. Then she left him because her mother was still manipulating her, encouraging her behavior. She can NEVER fix what she did to him and his family. Following some boundaries about the baby for the first time isn't an overcorrection. She has proved her isn't sound. She needs to show that she's back in her right mind before some boundaries can be lifted. As far as the name, I think that was actually a major sore point for him and maybe he feels like what she did created a permanent situation, so he gets to have something permanent the way he wants it. I can understand all the conditions he set. He's grieving and every moment with his daughter is a reminder that his mother never got to meet her.

[@mariecherrytree]

the sister needed to hear it.

[@19nmiller1]

OP 1 is far from the AH and Reddit is delusional. The sister deserved to hear the truth and OP was actually way nicer than she should've been. I feel so bad for Jack and hope he finds someone way better than that horrible sister.

[@invisigoth510]

Story 1: sis needs to stop crying PPD as her excuse for her questionable choices or she’s going to lose custody of the kid when they divorce Story 2: they won’t get to their first anniversary as a married couple

[@ZomBeeQueeen]

Story 1: People seem very confused by the AH comments- The top responses may not be the ones most supported, but rather the ones with the most interaction, often due to people debating with the commenter. Alternatively, he might have chosen the most controversial responses. Additionally, it did sound like she just gave birth. The commenter only clarified in the reply. In the original op said “she gave birth” and mom didn’t meet the baby for a week before dying. After that update- yeh this sounds awful. I think Jack is mad at himself more for not just bringing his mom over or sneaking off to do a meet up in a year. I started to get a feeling OP kinda likes Jack too👀

[@patrickwalsh5153]

OP dropped a truth bomb and destroyed the sister’s bunker of delusions.

[@Jesse_E5150]

Good on Jack for finally putting his foot down. That child is just as much his. OPs mom proved she didnt care as much for that kid when she ran off to help her grown ass sister. Now thanks to their actions, Jacks mom will never see her grandchild.

[@KE-hr4sb]

S1: NTA, your sister is a selfish not-nice word. I hate it when women pull the "I just gave birth" card, UNLESS it's something like "I can't lift that yet because I just gave birth." He deserved just as much of a say as Eve did and she blocked him at every turn! Sometimes AHs need to hear the hard truth (AND they insisted and wouldn't let you leave). WTF now they flip-flopped? This is dumb. Makes me wonder if they can tell if she has PPD, or depression (her husband leaving, her MIL dying etc would be enough to put someone in depression). I really dislike the way she's using it. They're both trying to control the other.

[@GellaHumbug59]

Story 1 is tragic all around. No family member caused or could have prevented Jack’s mom’s death. The major, preventable factor that kept Jack’s mom from seeing her grandchild was Eve’s mom’s outrageously selfish entitlement. Eve is also at fault for going along with it, but I doubt that she was the one who came up with her mom’s “first sighting” claim and doggedly insisted on it, even as mom got distracted intruding into other peoples’ lives. Eve’s mom is definitely at the root of this mess, but she will never acknowledge her selfishness or offer sincere apologies. I hope Eve and Jack will ultimately strengthen their relationship, and go very low contact with Eve’s mom.

[@samiulhuda4001]

nah eve is as much of a cnt as her mother.

[@TheLizardlord23]

Nta. Her and her momma are being jerks. If you don't call people out when they are in the wrong they never learn. And it sounds like those two were feeding off of their I'm always right energy. Gotta slap that shit down before it gets worse.

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

...solo trip...?... while newly married?? Nope.

[@ObsidianFaux]

I feel bad for Jack, I hope he and his family eventually find peace, also no one is even thinking that the sister and her mom were too close, how the sister treated her mom vs jack and then his mom

[@michamocha]

S1: Nta. The sister _needs_ to hear that if she wants to use the little time she has left to fix the crack in her marriage. Sis was almost cruel in how she handled things and made decisions without properly asking her husband. It just sounds like she made up her mind and pressured her husband into getting her way. Eta: Don't want to be pessimistic but I don't think this marriage will survive if things continue at this rate lmao.

[@dragonrider1549]

Story 1 - I suspect that they all live in a location where you need to go to couple’s therapy for a certain amount of time before the divorce could go through.

[@samisass6759]

I absolutely love Solo road trips and I've been happily married since 2017. But the idea of skipping the honeymoon to go on a solo trip blows my brain apart There was no other time, really?????

[@jogermaine8600]

The pick me who said OP can’t have an opinion because she (an erroneous presumption on the pick me’s part) doesn’t have a partner is just pathetic.