My Mom Is Trying To Control And Manipulate My Whole Wedding r/Relationships

[@madambutterfly1997]

“Oh I already compromised on you being a lesbian and marrying a woman, the very least you can do is let me plan your wedding” RUN OP RUN

[@tallyp.7643]

I think one of the commenters was right that next mom would demand the right to name a baby if they got one, and if they didn't name it what she wanted, she'd call it by the name she chose regardless, confusing the kid and making things worse.

[@LunaMane]

To add onto that, we're not hearing that OP's monster dearest was forced to have a courthouse wedding. Nor are we hearing she wanted to have a dream wedding as a tribute to her late husband. It sounds like she just wanted queen for a day tier attention.

[@juanrangel3535]

I'll pay for her taxi

[@thedarkside0249]

Correction "the least you could let me do is plan MY wedding since your a lesbian and i wont get a bio grandchild"

[@shamimtorang4390]

No matter her sexual orientation, she shouldn't get pregnant herself for her health sake. That so called mother don't care about her health too! This is a mindf*k!

[@recycledapathy7411]

Story 2: Son: "You'll have to earn a relationship with me on my terms." OP should have said, "I was going to tell you the same thing, and also don't come asking me for money."

[@ChristopherCapersJones]

I love your username, mate.

[@Tammohawk1]

1. Mom done lost her mind. Her claiming that it was "her" wedding just proves that she has had some type of mental break. I feel for OP. Husband and I "eloped". But I have never wanted to plan either of my kids weddings. 2. If either of my sons cheated on their wife, I'd take her side every day of the week. Cheating is wrong and they know how I feel.

[@gcarr1089]

Both my sons know I would never accept cheating by them, I've told them if your not happy in the relationship leave, then think on why you weren't both happy together, if it can't be fixed you both go your separate ways but always be civil with each other. Getting involved with someone else is just a disaster waiting to happen.

[@hothotheat3000]

It’s entirely possible that she went snooping at someone’s house, found the invitation, and that’s how she got the info about the wedding. She sounds unhinged enough to do that.

[@tallyp.7643]

wouldn't be too hard. If it was a family member, all she might've had to do is go in their kitchen where they had it stuck to the fridge with a magnet like a reminder note.

[@juanrangel3535]

Man, thank god my mom is not a crazy lady like that

[@melindaflick631]

@@juanrangel3535 - at her worst, which WAS pretty bad, my mom wasn't in this one's league! Suffering cats!

[@srkh8966]

She may have looked through someone’s purse

[@JordanDragonAs]

​@@tallyp.7643 Or office or living room

[@moebiusjdx7288]

Story 2: If I saw my son acting like this towards the mother of my grandchildren he would be eating through a straw for a few months. Despicable.

[@WobblesandBean]

Imagine saying that accepting your LGBT daughter is a "compromise".

[@JDKT002]

That would have pushed me over the edge too. The casual homophobia the mother displayed veiled as some kind of great sacrifice that she should be rewarded for, It's vile.

[@pippo17173]

Ya talk about a slip up there. A pretty good one too because you can already tell how she will treat an adopted kid.

[@charitywright7348]

Right I was raised in a Christian household and when my cousin came out as bi she worried how grandma would react but I knew it would be fine she told my cousin that's fine baby I still love you

[@charitywright7348]

@MrsAngelz how so because we didn't kick my cousin out of the family

[@GrayTimber]

"When he needs money I'm sure I won't be dead to him anymore." LMAO

[@carolroberts4614]

As long as dad tells him where to go, and right speedily!

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

Story 2: OP's definitely NTA. That poor girl.......... I'm not going to sugarcoat it. OP's son absolutely sucks. ಠ⁠︵⁠ಠ And I have a feeling this won't be the last time that abusive monster will do things like this. I can't help but wonder what happened to him growing up. I doubt OP would've tolerated this behavior at any point, but considering how OP's wife attended the wedding, I can't help but wonder if she was at least partly responsible for the son being so awful or was he always like that? Either way, OP really needs to be there for his daughter in law, his current grandchildren and any future grandchildren because I'm convinced that this won't be the last time, scumbag son gets divorced. And OP should definitely be weary of doing anything for his son moving forward because it's clear that he's an abuser and a people user!

[@Grace_x68]

I have same feeling that OP's wife is somehow responsible eg. spoilt son

[@WyntheRogue]

The description does sound like a textbook case of an enabler, glad OP is sticking to his guns and being an awesome grandad to his grandbabies and a positive father figure for his son's ex.

[@wmdkitty]

I've known people who _I know to have been raised better_ who were complete a-holes entirely by choice. Also, blaming the woman, classic. Can't ever be the dad's fault kids are messed up...

[@Grace_x68]

@@wmdkitty my mom spoilt my brother rotten and he had same issues as this idiot. My mom and dad divorced due to them not agreeing on her way of doing anything. Sometimes it is a classic case of a women classically messing up. My dad was the best dad in the world. He would also not have attended the loser's wedding like in this case. Also : he raised me a feminist that should never take any man's sh#t. I did woodworking with him from a young age. HE taught me how to sew at age 3. Nothing was ever about gender but about love, respect and trust. Not all women are always right but not all men are always wrong.

[@sleepyearth]

Story 2: Once op stated that his inheritance will goes to his 2 grandchildren, pretty sure his son will come crying to his "dead" father for money again.

[@LongNight_Moonlight]

I saw the second story on another channel a few days and left a comment about how OP's wife seems to be the only family member still tolerating their abusive son's bad decisions; but that probably wouldn't last very long as she witnesses how behavior and decisions begin to negatively affect her grandchildren. From OP's update it sounds like his wife is already starting to lose her patience with the son's antics.

[@rubymeaddle]

Wife is more than likely not wanting to lose access to grandchildren

[@rubystone9074]

OP: "We did literally everything to make sure mom didn't find out about our wedding details, only putting the info in the invitations and asking others not to spread anything. Yet, she still somehow found out!" Me: "Yeah. Someone snitched" Edit: watched more of the video. Really glad someone on reddit pointed that out 👏🏽 Hope OP and her wife move far, far away and live happily ever after

[@AndyyWithAY]

In your early 20s with 2 kids and 2 marriages. WTF? Does he have to marry every woman he meets? 🤔🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Grace_x68]

He needs a snip

[@AndyyWithAY]

@@Grace_x68 Definitely!

[@LilFeralGangrel]

sounds like he traps people into his relationships by marrying them. he's just an abusive asshole through and through.

[@watsername]

Probably still sees marriage as a sign of "ownership"...🤢

[@owl7072]

Story 2: "That's the ultimate form of betrayal" and cheating on your wife isn't 🤔 "You'll have to earn a relationship with me!" Imagine treating your spouse terribly then cheating on them and still thinking you're worth having a relationship with.

[@Nortarachanges]

Definitely a Gene Wilder “no, wait, stop” moment

[@iamdangerous5189]

The son, I feel like, had been having an affair for a while and finally decided to marry his AP after finalizing his first divorce. No way you're getting remarried so fast.

[@Russman67]

Story 1: OP's mom is a professional boundary stomper. They needed to get as far away from her as possible.

[@onyxdragon1179]

OP should find out whoever snitched on the wedding date and location and have a long, stern conversation with them, perhaps even limit the amount of info that person receives from them so they can't pass it on to the mother.

[@enjolireyes643]

And this is why eloping can be the EASIEST thing in the world... then once you have settled into your marriage... a wedding ceremony that no one will be crazy to care about because you are already married.

[@videofan1010]

I was just thinking... Why didn't they elope?

[@GBunnyG]

Before I started watching channels like you, Markee, and RSlash, I paid absolutely no attention to Reddit. The idea that someone could've written a story about something I did or was involved in and I'd either never know, or would find out from it "going viral", is just bonkers.

[@PrincessQ-fj9ly]

Story 1: I remember this story. Never thought I'd see another update. My opinion still stands. OP is definitely NTA. It's a shame that her mother didn't get the wedding of her dreams, but she doesn't get to live through her daughter. She had her chance to walk down the aisle, now it's her daughter's turn. And OP is right. If she wants the wedding of her dreams, then she should get remarried. Although good luck trying to find a willing groom with that selfish attitude. I'm glad OP and her fianceè got better backbones and uninvited her toxic mom from the wedding AND have gone no contact with her. It's clear she's not going to change and OP is better off without that toxicity in her life. I'm so happy she had a lovely wedding and a lovely honeymoon with her new wife. ❤️💕❤️

[@juanrangel3535]

Yeah, hope everything goes well for them and if they decide to adopt a crazy little one it's not gonna be hard to be a better mom than hers XD

[@WhitneyDahlin]

I really believe reddit saved her marriage! How long could her poor wife have to put up with someone like that??!! Some mothers genuinely are jealous and envious of their daughters to the point they want to ruin their daughters life relationships and career. That's exactly how my mother was. I once googled "I hate my daughter"because I wanted to know why and what the thought process of a mother like that is. I thought it would bring closure if I just knew why my mother hated me. And I was horrified. MILLIONS of results from all over the internet. From advice columns, to reddit, to Facebook groups, to parenting forums the most hateful things I have EVER seen. Time and again mother's saying my daughter doesn't deserve her career she's not even that smart, my artist daughter doesnt deserve to be paid for her work it's not even that good, my daughter doesn't deserve her husband she's not even that pretty. On and on and on. All of these women pretending to be loving mothers in real life while this hate is festering in their hearts and they gleeful sabotage their daughters life behind the scenes. It is horrifying how common it is. Straight up pure evil. Millions of mothers who are so jealous of their daughters it's eating them up inside. It's poisonous.

[@dodiekoehler]

Story 1: A friend was supposed to get married in September 2022. The couple wanted a small, maybe 50-person, simple, naturistic wedding. A couple of months before the wedding, they canceled it. Her mother wanted this and that. The guest list had increased to two hundred people. It had to be these kinds of flowers and this color tablecloth etc. The poor girl was crying all the time. Her mom wouldn't take a gentle no, and she wasn't brave enough to give the mom strong No's. Now I think the couple is getting married at the court house in the summer of 2023 with just witnesses.

[@MGP2210]

02:48 You can't say that you have set boundaries, when you immediately give in under pressure.

[@annyphoenix2099]

Mark, how is your crochet journey? I love knitting when listening to your videos and hearing that you're starting into yarn-arts made me super happy I hope you like it, it's super relaxing!

[@romonaelrod7870]

The son of the OP in the 2nd story is a sewage monster.

[@paulastiles5507]

I had a good laugh at the deluded son telling OP he and Sis would have to "earn back" his love. Oh, you sweet summer child, that ship has long since sailed, hit an iceberg, sunk, been rediscovered, and had a movie made about it.

[@CarinaCoffee]

Story 2: wow. I would be disappointed too if I were OP. What a disgusting person his son turned out to be. Yeah, in that case I wouldn't support any marriage either, but the one comment is right, they may very well have another abused DIL on their hands in a few years time.

[@onepieceisking5493]

Story 1, NTA. Egg donor is definitely trying to have her dream wedding through op. All op did was put her in her place and shut her down. Update 1, good on making passwords I wouldn't put it past her to try something. If she expected them to apologize and let her plan she's severely delusional and entitled. Wow, she's definitely trying to live through op and admitted that she's never liked op's fiance. Why am I not surprised that egg donor acted like a child and threw a tantrum in a restaurant. Nor am I surprised that she STILL tried to force everything to be her way. No, she doesn't know what's best for op she's only caring about herself. Good call on uninviting her as she should be because she's not going to stop. Update 2, she's definitely becoming unhinged now that she's not getting her way at all and has been uninvited. Yep, definitely went off the deep end when she tried to force her way into op's wedding wearing a wedding dress and saying that it's HER wedding. Not surprised that now she's trying to harass op and insult her. Now she's trying to gaslight and manipulate op. Op NEEDS to go NC with her. Egg donor also NEEDS professional help as she clearly isn't stable.

[@danacarter9147]

Well said. Not only does OP need to go full NO CONTACT with her egg donor, she and her fiance should also move to another state, and get married in City Hall.

[@Wtfamidoing2970]

I’m saying this in the nicest way possible, but someone needs to get that mom a psych consult. I heard the original post before, but goodness gracious that latest update is pure insanity.

[@ohnaliirony8997]

I'm listening to this as my laundry spins in the dryer. My sensory hoodie is going to be warm and fluffy again in a moment. Very good.

[@Sovreign071]

Story 1: OP should send her Mom a doll with a note reading "here's the perfect Daughter. She won't talk, move, or act in any way you won't see fit. I'm sure she'd love to have the wedding you and only you want, because why should your children's wishes matter?"

[@badkitty4922]

WOW! OP number 1 has a Momzilla on her hands! My poor niece had to deal with the same, until we (bridesmaids/MOH included) shut that sh** down. ETA, one thing I can say in my sister's favor is that she'd never DREAM of wearing her wedding dress to ANYONE'S wedding.

[@carolroberts4614]

From what op said her mother's dress was like, she must have looked like Miss Havisham turning up!

[@paulagoeringer9466]

@@carolroberts4614 I was thinking that too! She needs a nice padded room where she can hum the wedding march to herself while in a warm, tight straight jacket. 🤪

[@AngharadMac]

My mom planned the wedding she wanted for mine as well. Unfortunately, she & my dad were paying. I would send in my preferences, for example, songs and bands NOT to play for the dj. She went behind my back and changed all of it. I didn't find out until they played the song that was my EX fiance's and mine. I told them to stop the song immediately & they refused. I went to my mom and told her to not pay them unless they abide by my list, she said "oh, I changed it." Like that's not a problem. The only things I got my way was my dress being custom made and the cake decorations and carrying a basket of flowers instead of a bouquet. She fought me on all 3 occasions of those even after the vendors started on them. So yeah, cutting mom out of your plans and life is the right call there.

[@fyoutube9410]

I cracked up at the part where she tried to go to the wedding in her old wedding dress.

[@persephoneszeliga]

Story 2: NTA Geez,God bless you OP. I was the daughter in law minus the wonderful OP. Took me 24 years to leave my abusive effed up husband. I’m 50, working minimum wage jobs, but free from the bull crap. Wish I would have had a FIL like OP.

[@AndyyWithAY]

Earn a relationship on his terms only 🤣🤣🤣 Boy bye! If that was my child I'd tell them to get their head out of their bum and come back to talk to me when they come back to reality.

[@alyzu4755]

Story 1: YIKES! Story 2: Yup. I'm guessing there will soon be a second ex-wife, and a third, young wife. And this will go on ad infinitum.

[@susanlosey9511]

Wow! What a circus ! OP, get away from that town as soon and as far away as possible. Also get that restraining order as soon as possible! Congratulations on your wedding. You two were so smart getting security for keeping her out.

[@AndyyWithAY]

The mom is manipulative. OP wanting the wedding OP wants and is paying for is not loving her mom? By that same asinine logic the mom is one not being loving by trying to steamroll everything OP wants.

[@swearimnotarobot3746]

Ugh. Why do parents like this have to live though their kids. Just have a party to celebrate yourself.

[@wmdkitty]

S2: OP is NTA for helping DIL get the hell out of there. Son chose to be an abusive POS, and reaped the consequences of that choice. I just wonder... could OP and Wife have done something different as parents to prevent this?

[@TsukiKageTora]

Story 1: how manipulative is the mom for saying she should plan the wedding cause she had to give up on bio grandchildren… when she knows her daughter can’t carry babies!!

[@CrazyWolf2468]

The wedding story congratulations OP and I'm glad that I'm 100% asexual! My mother has been married twice divorced once my father passed away when I was 5 she remarried not too long afterwards

[@pinkesthibiscus]

this popped up almost the exact second I opened youtube to see if it was here yet! perfect timing 🥰 enjoy the rest of your day, everyone! 💗

[@paigeb5390]

7:54 had me furious. If a family member said that to me then that person would be out of my life permanently.

[@itsjustmaddisen]

Idk, I find it super creepy when one or both parents plan someone’s wedding or think they have a say in it. You’re not marrying your child, it’s THEIR wedding with THEIR partner.

[@browniewin4121]

1) Mom was being overbearing, manipulative, rude, and just generally out of line trying to make this all about herself. I can't blame OP for snapping and telling her off, but I do wish they had set boundaries from the start so it didn't come to that, but under the circumstances, NTA. Now OP and partner need to stick to their own wants and stop caving. After update: Wow, delusional, narcissistic, hurtful, and awful. This is a just no mother and FMIL. After next update: Congrats to OP & wife on your wedding, so sorry mom did her best to ruin it. Thank goodness for good security. She is totally nuts, unsupportive and obviously someone with whom to go NC and have no guilt. Too bad someone gave the mom the info against OPs wishes and directive, they need to be found out and also go on the NC list. 2) It's sad the son turned out so badly, was irresponsible, and a terrible husband. Seems the son is the one who is big on betrayal, since he clearly had been cheating and was an abusive overly controlling AH. Good for OP for sticking with the mother of the grandchildren. After update: Good for grandma for telling the son the grandkids are a priority to them.

[@wheelsndealz]

Story 1. If you put up a no trespassing sign and then allow them to trample your garden without punishment then the sign is pointless.

[@pickle_pup8187]

OP needs to stop including the mom in with the planning. Gray rock her and put passwords for the vendors. Sit down and tell your mom that unless she stops and behaves, she is very close to not even being a guest. If OP doesn’t speak up, shine up the spine and hold firm, your mom will run your life, name your child and view them as her do-over baby. Hold firm. This will cause issues in your marriage and it will not go well. Heed the advice.

[@damien678]

"I guess now she's your daughter-in-love, not law" AWW I really like that

[@hilaryc3203]

#1 No words on that level of crazy from the mother, only to say she needs intensive, long term therapy.

[@NerdilyDone]

Story 1: don't do that. Don't grin and bear the negativity until you blow up at someone. Tell them no while you are mentally prepared to be calm.

[@Silence-1170]

Hi all! Hope you waffles are doing well! Stay safe and stay postive tonight waffles!

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

I hope you're well too m8🤗🤗💜💜

[@Nathan_Bookwurm]

I love this channel, where Mark includes LGBTQ+ stories like any other story, and where there's no homophobic comments when scrolling through the comment section. Very much appreciated ❤️🙏

[@joshuapierce3085]

OP in the second thought sending his son to college would make him mature? It's obviously been a long time since he's been to college himself. Mature people do NOT thrive there anymore.

[@darlingJasper]

Hey Mark!!! Hope you have a good day full of waffles!! Happy Family Day from Canada! 🧇❤️

[@broken_queer_but_fighting8589]

Ypu too m8 much love 💜💜🤗🤗

[@loraleiffxi]

It sounds to me like the mother really really needs to see a therapist. It sounds like she is having some kind of mental break. I really hope she gets help. It's kind of sad that instead of getting help, she seems to have lost everything. I don't think a person in their right mind would have done all the things OP's mom did.

[@BIGEAGLEDUDE]

With the first story even from the updates you can tell straight up that the mother regrets not having the wedding of her dreams and doing the courthouse wedding to begin with. Now that the original poster has stopped being a doormat the mother's just going off the hinge. Think about it she basically didn't support her daughter being gay which is completely obvious she's tolerant of her daughter's lifestyle but not accepting of it. Not to mention the fact she sees this wedding at the perfect opportunity to have the wedding of her dreams do her daughter and her daughter said no she just couldn't handle it and now she must be real here she may have had security but the job was composed by ruining the wedding. And even with all the evidence there is no judge is going to give the original poster and her wife a restraining order unless there was physical violence called upon by the mother or done by the mother. The best thing they can do is just move away and not give contact info to any family disgust with the moment because the moment they do that the mother will move to wherever they are and make their lives a living hell. But I guarantee at the moment the mother gets married and has that dream wedding she's going to want the original poster and her wife back into her life and move from it as if it never happened.

[@v.s7760]

This mom is out of her mind. It’s insane there’s people like this in the world

[@AndyyWithAY]

I'm going to be a SAHM, but women have to be careful. This should be a choice the woman is on board with, not forced into. Not all men are good and some use that to abuse and control their wife. DIL grew up way too fast. I'm so thankful she has OP to help guide her.

[@carolroberts4614]

Not sure about op's wife thougj! She blows hot and cold, and may be manipulated by the son, he's snaky enough.

[@terramarini6880]

I was a SAHM, but I was free to do whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. He put no limits on me or I on him. Him; "You dyed your hair copper penny red! I like it." Me; You're going fishing this weekend? Need anything from the store for that? That is how our conversations went.

[@ellorasg4525]

Story 1: WTF? Run OP Run! Don't look back. Don't look back.

[@ecos889]

People arguing over tablecloths and flowers still makes zero sense to me. Like who cares, I won't bother with flowers or table clothes, just good food and the people I love all 8 of them lol.

[@carolroberts4614]

If I didn't have plenty of family, I'd have less than that!

[@rustypotatoes]

dad you went viral 😂 god through all of the shit everyone had to go thro in that post i love that line

[@socialmoon]

First story: the mum's got 'Cluster B personality disorder' written all over her. Yeeesh, I'd swerve her too, & I'm borderline, lol.

[@leaflet1686]

Story 1: What is wrong with that woman? O.o

[@CarinaCoffee]

Story 1: mummy dearest needs psychological help from a professional. She got more and more unhinged (unfortunately we've seen enough stories here that one can see it coming).

[@sadisticrainbow9689]

I never had my dream wedding either, but I would never impose my tastes on my daughter, regardless who she marrys. That is just insane.

[@jessiejeanne9717]

Setting and enforcing boundaries, for people raised in an enmeshed environment with their guardians, is foreign. Not knowing what is and isn't mom's business was an issue for me, then when I established them, I didn't know how to set them in stone. I never knew that there were things in my life that my mom wasn't privy to, and the less she knows, the better.

[@Flotton]

Much Love Mark! :)

[@paulagoeringer9466]

Sounds like the wedding mommy dearest needs a padded room.

[@FROSTWIRE307]

Story 1: “I’ll take ‘things that didn’t happen for $1000, Alex’”

[@louellacharlton4425]

Tyvm Mark

[@maggpiprime954]

If my mum did that, I'd straight-up ask her if she was having a stroke. Also, I wonder what sort of koolaid the son in the second story was drinking in college, coz... WOW.

[@terramarini6880]

He very likely got caught up in one of those red pill echo chambers of misogynistic horror. He sure didn't get it from his dad.

[@wmdkitty]

Son is the logical end-point of male privilege and entitlement: abuse and violence.

[@maggpiprime954]

@@terramarini6880 That's what I was thinking.

[@maggpiprime954]

@@wmdkitty Did we hear the same story..? Coz that's not what any of what happened at all, what are you talking about??

[@mojavegreen2072]

I’ll never get this theme of “Wedding of my dreams.”

[@MIchick1989]

Awe, I was hoping the mom from story 1 would catch a hint. Instead, she doubled down and is torturing her child. Sweet baby Jesus.

[@maxinemyers9215]

Good for the parents in he 2nd video!

[@susanlayton2143]

My second daughter cannot have biological children, but she and her husband have 3 adopted children and I look at those three as being as much my grandchildren as the ones that are the biological children of my other children. I have 13 grandbabies, and her children are 3 of them.

[@videofan1010]

The mother snapped.

[@DisneyChar]

Glad it sounds like grandma figured it out, I was going to suggest another divorce in the family

[@Siinwu]

2nd story, excuse me what person would marry this abusive son? WTH went wrong in his upbringing?

[@djdomain]

First part, someone who doesn't know his past or thinks they'll be treated better because they're 'the one'. Second part, his mom. If I was OP I would divorce wife and publicly announce that son is disowned.

[@Kimmie_78]

Story 1 sounds like a psychic break 😬

[@TsukiKageTora]

Gee I wonder why mommy dearest didn’t find anyone in Story 1. Like if this is how awful she is with her own daughter, I wonder how bad she was with her dates. Maybe tried to control what they are cause she hates that and that

[@commoncrook8531]

Starting to see why the mom hasn't found someone new.

[@carolroberts4614]

She's probably planning the wedding on first dates!

[@catbitmaster8216]

Story 2, makes me wonder if the son "forced" the 2nd child.

[@FriedaMMartin]

Good evening! Hope all is well!

[@srkh8966]

The mother needs serious help

[@Meiiiow]

Awsome story

[@JasperCatProductions]

Story one if your grown up enough to get married you are old enough to tell mommy to stop and she is no longer involved with any planing of my fiancé and my wedding. Grow up. Let mommy cry. Who cares?

[@whatsanenigma]

I love how you said "because faaamily." It sounded almost like a baaa instead of faaa, and baa is what sheep say.

[@egosworldegosworld5373]

It’s disappointing that no matter how kids are rise they could still turn bad for their own reason

[@RRW359]

Story 1 I'd tell the mom that your fiance decided to cancel because of her the wedding then plan it on your own. Obviously tell her the truth at some point either after the plans are finalized or after the wedding its self.

[@Imolos]

Story 2: If you want relationship with me it will be on my condition. Good luck buddy 😂 First time you would need money it will be on his terms.

[@jennilynne1977]

The mom saying that the wife carrying a baby wouldn't count because then the baby wouldn't be related biologically, they could have the OP's eggs fertilized and put in her wife to carry, so the mother's complaint would be moot. I hope everyone is having a great day/afternoon/night! Peace ☮️, hugs 🤗 and love 😘!

[@Gloria-ro4vn]

I would have told son not sweat it, you'll probably attend one or two of is future weddings.

[@madmartagan100]

Story 1, OP's mom is a full blown entitled Karen.

[@paulagoeringer9466]

She's a level beyond Karen. Ulta Karen? Omega Karen? 🤪 I'm just picturing cops chasing a rabid nutter in a tattered wedding dress down the street having to taser her before she bites someone. 🤣

[@HobieInTheBox]

Story 1: Mom has a fuck ton of mental health issues she needed to tackle YESTERDAY. And someone snitched about the wedding. OP needs to find out who and cut them off, that's just bullshit

[@shamimtorang4390]

OP: mom, getting pregnant is dangerous for my health. Mother: So I have to possess your wedding because I've compromised by accepting you are refusing to give me a perfect son in law and grandchildren. WTF lady, WTF?! She's not your puppet, grandchild oven and fairy godmother!

[@rylashadow18]

S1) She doesn't get to make you her redo anything. Not for weddings, not for families not for your lifestyle. She doesn't get to dictate where you want to get married, what kind of dress you want to wear, the vows, the cake and anything else. She needs to toe her nose back into line or be cut off imho. I'd put her on a info diet of a need to know basis and inform her that any more remarks about anything about the wedding that she wasn't asked about will have her being disinvited. I'd be hesitant with allowing her around any (if at all) grandkids you plan to have. Mom is unhinged. She really tried to treat OP like a do over life. Keep her on no contact and anyone saying forgive her needs to join her in no contact. S2) You DIL needed support when her scum of an ex booted her after cheating on her. Your own wife disrespected you by trying to demand you go and support this asinine idea. He doesn't get to moan and groan about "supporting family" cause you were. You were supporting your DIL and grandchildren as the only family she has right now. I'm glad you're sticking to your guns OP. To the person who said he'd might get cut off from future grandkids OP already has some that need their mom getting help while she copes with being betrayed in the worse way imaginable. Also I don't doubt he has it in him to do this again. That is if he didn't target someone younger and easier to manipulate. The larger concern is for the current grandkids, their mom and making sure she feels supported. Keeping an eye on things will be hard seeing as he got cut off but hopefully there are no more children coming from that waste of space son of his.

[@134Z]

Final story: not enough is done to call or the abusive behaviour of the son, he should be told it was abusive, unacceptable, and that it was the father who disappointed in the kind of weak misogynistic man he had become, having him cry to mummy that daddy is dead because didn’t let him abuse his ex wife and kids as much as he wanted is weak, the grandmother in that scenario has a lot to answer for

[@my3sons757]

1st. Her mom hasn't found someone because she is emotionally damaged. Her losses have become a sickness. Men pick up on this. She needs to seek help. In regard to grandchildren, is there any way a fertilised egg could be taken from O.P. and implanted in her wife for ONE pregnancy? Story 2 I have a strong feeling O.P.'s wife gave in to their son a lot while he was growing up. He seems to feel entitled to have his way in ALL things. That doesn't seem like a brand new personality trait.

[@terramarini6880]

I think he got red pilled ( their forums are grossly misogynistic), but it did seem to find fertile soil in him.

[@hillsideparanormal780]

Story 2: op your son is an abusive narcissist!

[@nela3986]

I have two little sons. I will do my best for them to not turn out like that douche from the second story. That would be the biggest disappointment of my life.

[@boogiebear3095]

The dude calls OP a bad father when he was a bad dad himself and a terrible husband and overall human being. And the mom in the first story, ick. She crossed the line many times over.

[@madambutterfly1997]

It’s not her wedding. She needs to grow up