Martian Civil War Looks Like a Great Astartes Book

[@omegamansparkybubbles9159]

"Colossal civil war between factions of the Tech Cult of Mars fought with barely understood dark age technology, god engines of war and heretical new creations brought about by the fusion of machine and demon or to counter these new demonic creations? All of this on a bad ass rotting factory Mad Max planet? That's cool and all but what were the Primarchs up to!?! Where are the named Imperial Fists!?!"

[@ZrrMe]

Exactly why I just can't wait for the next primarch to come back in 40k lol

[@socialanimalmedia]

Yeah cool I guess but what I wish the book'd done was re-re-release Horus. Im really happy they didn't waste their time thinking up cool new robots for the Heresy though. I dont think many people would want that.

[@frankfelerski1043]

Thats because the raven guard are so sneaky even their book didn't notice them doing it

[@paulyg405]

there'll also be an invisible Praetor model coming with this release too...

[@mariusloesch820]

Dark mechanicum for heresy and 40k? But that would mean dual-purpose armies. And we can't have that now, can we...

[@Gasquegasplorch]

It was a lone Raven Guard legionary who was being trained as a techmarine at the time the heresy started. Can’t remember the name of it, but it was a short story rather than a full novel. Got evacuated off Mars and then Malcador sent him back to try and destroy one of the stations on the poles that produces Mars’ electromagnetic field releasing the atmosphere and killing anything organic while leaving all industry intact.

[@GJJ68]

Cybernetica is the the novel your looking for.RG Techmarine's name is Carrion.

[@IMarcaI]

This reads like a bad videogame dlc. - New playable character (OC please do not steal) - 4 new enemy types (totally not reskins) - 3 new missions (Slapped a color filter unto an existing map)

[@jamesespinosa690]

Macca. Lets make a campaign book ourselves!!! Show the "community" how it's done!!! I know you can knock something out that's at least twice as good, in about an afternoon. Possibly two afternoons if you want to include pictures and art.

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

Nah, it's easier to criticise

[@doomguy9049]

​@@NapoleonicWargaming I'm all for focusing on the positive and building things up rather than tearing them down, but I think Macca's criticisms of this book as well as other recent GW products, practices etc are on the whole both fair and constructive. That said, homebrew HH campaign books do sound pretty awesome, and I'd love to see what Macca and James Spinoza come up with so I hope he sees this and takes up the challenge.

[@thewayfarer8849]

I feel sorry for Alan Bligh and the writers who tried hard from the start to put Dark Mechanicum in the Black Books from the beginning, logically blueballing people is as stupid as creating a Calth book without Ultramarines.

[@sandmanhh67]

I guess they just shitcanned all of Alan Bligh's Schism of Mars Black Book work after all. Typical GW

[@nehrigen]

So many people forget that the Ravenguard had their own factory planet right below their capitol... and one that specialized in military gear.

[@adeptuspotatocus6451]

I saw the title and expected salt. I was not disappointed. Well-deserved salt.

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

You saw it was TOC. Of course it's salty. I thought the Aussies said we Brits winge a lot...

[@adeptuspotatocus6451]

@@NapoleonicWargaming Of course, but I expected a lot more salt than usual based on the title and I wasn't disappointed.

[@nestorvetumbra]

One of the problems with this edition of the Horus Heresy is that it is poorly compartmentalized. The decision to make separate rulebooks for the factions seemed good to me at the time, but looking back I think the format of history, faction lore, campaign rules and army rules is one of the things that made the Black Books special. The Martian Civil War and the Liber Mechanicum should be united in the same volume, or given the importance of the events on Mars, in two volumes: the first one dedicated to the standard Taghmata and other Martian factions (Knights, Titans, maybe Skitarii allies) and the second one containing rules to represent the desperate measures taken by each side (DAoT Archeotech, daemon engines, repurposed xenos artifacts, etc). Also, making two volumes would allow for more special characters, like Koriel Zeth, the Kaban Machine, Kelbor-Hal, etc.

[@doomguy9049]

Well said, I couldn't agree more and your idea about a two volume set for the Mechanicum+Martian Civil War sounds much better than how GW chose to handle things.

[@jackcanox4015]

So... It's several marines and custodes themed battles with a mechanicus flavoured setting...i see. Well at least i can find solace in the fact that my mechanicum is shat on and forgotten in 40k as well so yeah at least gw remains coherent!

[@stephendrobinski2426]

Dude, I love the idea of raiding the vaults for relic weapons

[@caboosealmighty3735]

(Samwise voice) - Oh look, another imperial fist character....

[@IVIaskerade]

Honestly all the books for heresy 2.0 have felt really disjointed. From "inductii" that are actually legion specialist squads, to a Mechanicum book with no Mechanicum campaigns, it honestly feels like they decided what they wanted to put in the game and then threw darts at a board to decide what lore was going to be slapped onto it and damn the synergy

[@magnos_decimus]

Yeah agreed, Cameron Diaz of the Imperial Fists is a severely underappreciated character. A wonderful character indeed, Macca.

[@KillerOrca]

In the name of my lord, Dorn!

[@HonoreOtter]

It really seems like the company has ran out of ideas or motivation to add any actual depth or detail to any faction

[@corperk]

Admech does not matter to the company, Mechanicum matters even less.

[@egnaroelprup]

bUt wHaT aRE tHe iMpErIaL fIStS dOiNg?

[@rutgaurxi7314]

@@egnaroelprup Fists be fisting Horus, which is what nu-GW wants to do anyway. It's like they haven't read that Lego gender study...

[@MrKrazyKap]

I'd love to see what the Martian French resistance look like! Tricolor robes...

[@flatheadgg2443]

Snail servitors with radium baguettes

[@CustomLime]

my favorite part of mechanicum (novel) was when a bunch of big muscle men in gold went out into the sun's big dust cloud and fought a generic bad guy that no one cares about holy smokes that sold me on the martial civil war you've done it again games workshop!

[@darko-man8549]

The way GW just sucks off the IF in HH just makes me really dislike them as a faction. What is it with these HH writers and their IF fanaticism

[@RazielLordOfSecrets]

Lately its all been so mediocre. Just look shiny new with nothing else more than that.

[@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902]

Best update was old models returning because of Old World

[@darko-man8549]

I love how all the demon engines, that were barely touched on in HH, suddenly are mainstream because GW decided that crossover models can’t be a thing because they suck

[@stuntman083]

So are IFists the posterboys of HH the same way Umarines are the posterboy of 40k?

[@KillerOrca]

They've turned into the loyalist ones yeah

[@Sycoa1]

Miss the videos with non-news heresy. Getting started for mechanicum/shattered legions would be sweet. This was good though, laughed pretty good, good takes I think

[@DBWave94]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees a resemblance to DK64 Diddy Kong's jetpack in the Aquilons? Seriously, the sculpts are looking more and more cartoonish as time goes on.

[@aldrixlevy228]

no.

[@RPknight101]

holy crap you're kind on to something with it the shape at least

[@Traven158]

And the Mk II/V jump packs don't?

[@batman9592]

Funny af! Cheers to more like this .

[@fmn-048]

I play Imperial fists. The only new model i actually want is a legion specific leviathan, because we dont have one. I dont think we deserve it until all the other legions have at least; 1 named character, TA/PA Preator, TA/PA special unit, Contemptor and a Leviathan. As cool as it would be to have we dont need a model for Diaz

[@acidnine3692]

of course it's an astartes campaign book! The Imperial fists need to beat up enemies while they wait for the siege. And the raven guard are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs, may as well toss them in too.

[@bababo0oey297]

Don't forget that 3 months after you purchase this dope ass super awesome campaign book they'll announce 3rd edition and invalidate everything they have released. Then we can expect one luke-warm piss-water FAQ/Errata for the new broken system halfway through its 3 year life-cycle before repeating the cycle. And nothing will change.

[@cvangemon1307]

In 40k yeah, but not this game. Here you rot.

[@joshuaginn792]

Fingers crossed the Thanatar has both weapons and the Triaros gets a sprue to make a Karachos.

[@blessedpeas]

I for one look forward to seeing Cameron Diaz in a co-leading role in the much anticipated upcoming the horus heresy romcom which sees a conventionally attractive tech priestess get whisked off her feet by a tall, dark and handsome raven guard gunslinger played by another entirely cookie cutter hollywood man

[@Balevolt]

They could have Given The Carrion a model

[@darko-man8549]

Your talk about all those “held in reserve half sprues” makes me think of the travesty that is the “modern Desth Company@

[@heresyhobbyist]

I wonder if they arent adding any new units because they plan to release a new edition?

[@paulyg405]

they only add them as new models come out, and they want to mostly focus on new plastic. so this book is just something to go along with the new plastic mech stuff

[@Traven158]

Guessing you're giving up on doing coverage on, or a "Getting Started" for Blackshields or Shattered Legions?

[@acidnine3692]

I kinda hope there is something for loyalists. I love the mechanicum but playing loyalists feels like i'm playing Iron Warriors. We getting nothing.

[@LiliaArmoury]

gw has been fumbling campaign books for years going back till probably 5th ed if not earlier: - the fall of cadia book of gathering storm really should have had relics and rules coming out it's seams for every army that had troops there, it should have included rules for formally apoc book units that required conversion building like the leviathan command vehicles (which were on cadia in both hands - vigilus campaign: needed a lot more rules for forces in it especially the sisters of battle who despite having a solid presence on the world got ignored by the rules team (like every other book they were in till the 2020 codex and a following campaign book) - psychic awakening faith and fury mentioned the sisters of battle but gave them nothing despite them being one of the two most faithful factions in the game (other being wordbearers) - i would mention newer examples but honestly campaign books cost money and mine is eaten up buying models and parts for converting models that gw would make a campaign book that should be about a different faction be about the marines really doesn't surprise me at all

[@warhounds]

do you accept shrutebucks or stanley nickels if you win the bet?

[@fafnerbane6470]

Was Macca doing a Kirk voice in the video?

[@gabrielpardo4229]

Ok. But what era of Cameron Diaz is there We talking 90s? 2000s? 10s? It's important for the plot.

[@TheOuterCircle]

Mask-era

[@kevingreenwood1570]

I want some circle dollars do you take NFT’s in exchange.

[@Thatworldeatersguy]

Martian French resistance?? *transmission incoming+--+ 101010101Baguette01010101whiteflag01010101* ‘My lord dorn le martián tech guild have surrendered, victory is ours’😂😂😂

[@Greentrixter]

Pretty sure Aster Chrone died in book 8...

[@OzymandiasRex]

great, can't wait to pirate it

[@didymussumydid9726]

Kino 👌🏿

[@laviljoski6952]

Exemplary yapper of the age of darkness

[@simonjackson1571]

The blinking red light in the corner of the bathroom Erm. Yeah, let's just say you need to get some cream on that rash stat.

[@magicianman534]

Is it really that hard to believe when other people say the game has problems but the overall state of it is enjoyable to them, that's their sincere opinion? And the reason they're happy is they're not bothered by all the same things you are or at least not to the same degree? I agree that non-marine and legion specific rules are seriously in need of a rework, and it's overdue. Focus also needs to be given to unsupported ranges to bring them up to a certain baseline. Those are the two biggest issues facing the game right now. On the whole, though, I think it's pretty fun.

[@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902]

"I know it's a piece of shit but the scat enjoyers say it smells kind of nice actually"

[@magicianman534]

​@@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902 Try again when you have something worth saying instead of talking shit.

[@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902]

@@magicianman534 Game has major problems and gutted ranges and rules compared to the original version but people who address that the game has these problems can turn a blind eye to them and find enjoyment in playing the game that is severely lacking but somewhat stable in their own opinion. Your statement and answer is to address the fact that the game now has glaring issues and the solution to these issues is to be apathetic to them. Or was your original statement that these people genuinely exist and is it that hard to believe that they do?

[@magicianman534]

​@@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902 See, that's the thing that bothers me, that assumption that it *must* be apathy, ignorance, or shilling if other people are more positive on the state of the game. I watch Outer Circle for a different perspective to chalange my thinking in the first place, so that's fine, but It's mildly annoying to see more moderate views being dismissed as ingenious or simping for GW. I think the health of the game is better than it's given credit for here, despite some of the flaws I agree need to be addressed. Many things the channel brings up I don't agree are actual problems, or are issues but their impact is overstated. That doesn't make me apathetic, it's jsut a difference of opinion. Of course, I also think some of what's said here is dead on, too.

[@cornchaptermasterofcarmine5902]

@@magicianman534 I will admit that there are people who might enjoy playing the game as it is. I am however extremely bitter about how they have handled Horus Heresy since 2017 and I will never not be mad about how my armies collected for HH since 2014 had 1/3 units immediately fucked off into Legends and then fucked more with this scale change, sure that's minor thing but anyway. And yes, I've satirized the new Horus Heresy players in my head to a point where they aren't even human which might affect my reasoning to a degree.

[@terrysaunders7107]

Sounds like a book that will sell exactly zero admech boxes. Zero reason to put additional effort into mechanicus range. Move on and paint more tactical marines.