Martin Logan 13a debuts in Jay's audio room !

[@jasonwoods7665]

Great speakers, love mine. Prior to auditioning the Martin Logan i was dead set on the bw 802's. After I got to listen to the 13s, I bought them that day. No regrets ar all!

[@mikewinburn]

congrats on the acquisition. Whats the white lights emanating from the bottom front of the speaker? Can you turn it off if its just an ambience light?

[@jasonwoods7665]

@@mikewinburn yes you can turn the lights on or off on the speakers

[@hectoralvarez941]

Great sound , I don’t have a lot of experience with ML, so it was good to listen to them with this level of amplification and source component.

[@davidblahey4851]

I am enjoying these much more than the Maggie’s.

[@cyclistman6358]

I currently have a pair of ML Vistas along with a pair of sealed subs in stereo running speaker level from the main amp. I’ve spent many hours moving and measuring the Vistas and subs in my dedicated room. Tweaked the subs crossovers and levels to the best of my ability using test tracks, my trusty radio shack meter and my ears. Great full precise sound, but my only concern is a lack of midrange dynamics. The ML’s electrostatic panels don’t move a lot of air as compared to cone speakers. But the little air they do move is moved very precisely and accurately. I think that larger electrostatic panels will move more air and dynamics will increase too. But that ML electrostatic sound is just so pure and precise it’s addictive.

[@sergeitatarintsev5786]

A very noticeable step forward in transparency. Every meaningful detail is easily heard. The soundstage seems to be bigger or, at least, closer, though the speakers are smaller. The tonal balance is just right: not a hint of brightness, not a hint of darkness. The only "but" is that, strangely, the bass seemed to be tighter, if not deeper, with the previous set-up.

[@manuelrico9455]

Changed from Wilson to Martin Logan’s a long time ago. Superb transparency and soundstage.

[@caballerosuave]

Which model did you choose?

[@TascamTascam]

And horrible dynamics

[@dudiflug3804]

Amazing pair of speakers

[@h2ophilter]

heard these in a BestBuy once and they were OK. I would think they sound a lot better with your gear/room. must sound great in person!

[@israelmathibephiri5137]

@Jay The ML has bass. I can hear it on my headphones! Wow! I'm impressed

[@cronedrome]

Clean, crisp, way more transparent than maggies and that slam! Major improvement by my count. Curious to hear how the new DAC and Preamp affects the balance here...

[@datka3]

Finally good to see some ML for me it’s best If both worlds open sound above 300 hz and nice bass from dual 10 in inside the sealed enclosure

[@danielbabeux5500]

I just like these ML. Mids/highs tones sound so natural. The only drawback is the bass, which sounds bloated/incoherent with the rest of the panel. I guess once you have the DSP tune-up, this bad boy will sound so different...

[@warrenhooper1218]

These speakers are a generation ahead.

[@arcforceworld]

Damn, those things Stomp! Im gonna start saving all my pennies for a set!

[@stephenbarnes8817]

Looks like for now we will have to use KZbin to communicate until Audiogon resolves the problem or we have some other way to communicate

[@ckmartinez]

Very impressive first listen!

[@skip1835]

Geeze, probably me, and it's only an opinion without a lot of listening time - at first I was impressed by the bass - by the end of the tracks I was distracted by the bass - - not sure the Logons would work for me long term, and it's not that I don't like bass, have to hear them more, but if they were controlled by an electronic cross over, I might be a bit tempted to back them off a notch in the lower range - - the Wilsons have outstanding bass too, but they seemed more coherent in those lower regions, the bass didn't distract from the rest of the frequency ranges.

[@jasonlsimmons]

Yep...I run my Logan with the bass set to -6. Zero would be way too much thump for me.

[@BurtWicks]

That's the recording. I played this on my entry level bookshelf speakers and my Tekton Double Impacts, and in both cases the bass was intense and very low.

[@skip1835]

@@BurtWicks thanks for the feedback Burt - - Skip ( :

[@L.A.W.Studios]

I own own a pair of MLs, and a pair of pre-Innersound prototypes* ..so I also build them. Bass has always been tricky to mate with an electrostatic panel. It can certainly be done, but to go there takes up more space than would ever be practical for Martin Logan. As I'm concerned there's only three kinds of bass they slow and setups that work with electrostats and those are 1} an Open Baffle (dipole like panals) 2} A Ripole @ 200hz *⇊* (new tech) 3rd, but not least, the Transmission Line.

[@skip1835]

@@L.A.W.Studios Thanks for the detailed and obvious experienced insights Steve - very interesting - I can appreciate the challenge of coherency when trying to mate different types of driver technologies - - happy listening, Skip ( :

[@stoicroman9423]

Quick shoutout to u Jay. I’ve been mulling over which new amplifier to purchase for quite awhile now. I’ve been to 4 different distributors to audition namely Pass Labs XS 300s, Dan M 400, Gryphon Mephisto and CH M1.1. However all shops r using different interconnects, power cords and speakers so I can’t really tell the intricate difference between them. I relied solely on ur videos (excluding CH) to make my final decision. The Pass arrived 3 days ago and I can’t be more happy with my purchase. Thanks Jay!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Awesome. My pleasure

[@Skyshakerrrr]

Without a doubt holographic wide sound stage tonality on point.

[@borisjelenc1217]

Logan fills the gap between wilson and magnapan with a panel and added wofer which makes them special. The sound works calmly, stretched, with hidden details and without the fun factor.

[@morejelloplease]

thinking about buying another set of maggies because i've had 2 sets of martin logans fail within 6-8 years, logan replacement panels are now $2200 shipped.

[@geminijinxies7258]

It's pretty good but as a test try using a preamp, no tone controls and the speaker cables used in the Sep 19, 2020 video, if you still have them. Edit: I'm listening through good headphones which everyone should do when judging these recordings.

[@3VAudioVideo]

I'm not listening through good headphones with this video. I'm listening through Martin Logans :)

[@sundaru1]

The major draw back of ML is the humidity of listening room , it significantly reduce the transient of its electrostatic panel

[@xzing7]

Only if you live in an igloo with a wallpaper steamer for heating.

[@markhampton7559]

The upper frequencies seem to have a little "sizzle". I'd be interested on the effect of plugging the ML speakers into your Niagras.

[@kingelijah79]

I will take this over magis for sure

[@KT88gs]

Killer sound Jay!This is more or less my type of sound and im a tube guy!

[@polymusegal]

Liking the Martin Logan’s far better than the Maggie’s. Seems well balanced, big sound stage and clear. Sounds just a tad forward but no complaints here. Look forward to hearing more with the Logan’s.

[@chadisrc]

I agree you you on this one. I also prefer the Logans over the Maggies. I can't really articulate why, but the Logans are just more to my liking.

[@johnhogie]

What is on the Parasound heat sinks that are rippling?

[@justinspinks4837]

What source are you using for music? I’ve got a pair of 11a’s paired with a Parasound Halo A23+ then tan to a Marantz Cinema 3 acting as a preamp. Just bought an Arcam ST60 audio streamer that has DAC built in and having a heck of a time trying to hook it up to the Marantz input. Playing sound through my Bluetooth on my iPhone isn’t clean enough on the ML’s

[@mikewinburn]

whats the white light emanating from the bottom front of the speakers?. hahahha... i loved the "stop listing through your IPAD. I literally got up to load up the computer. But, alas, i'm using the DAC /headphones output of the computer. You've consistently had nice equipment on the channel. I enjoy the hang out with it. But, i was super excited to see the 13a come into the audio lab. I'm working w a dealer now for the new acquisition!

[@TheJLasher22443]

I'm a bit bias because I own the 15A's but, the Logan's sound great with your equipment. You have me wanting to upgrade my amp and digital transport now. Thanks. LOL Only thing I would say is that the Bass will come in after 100 hours of burn in and ARC. Had to run ARC twice once I heard the subs break in after the 100. Can't wait to hear you test them with the Parasound's since they were one of my considerations since purchasing the 15A's. I was also considering the Pass Labs after watching your video "My top 5 cost-no-object power Amplifiers". For now I'm sticking with my MC452. Thanks for all of your videos! Keep up the great work.

[@mikewinburn]

great advice on the 100 hr break in. I'm working w my dealer now on acquiring the 13a for my home ...so excited. i'm running the mc611s and plan to stick with 'em. any secrets to success (over the usual electrostat best sound practices?) with the higher end ML? ( i recently stepped up from ML Aerius i i've owned since '98)

[@TheJLasher22443]

@@mikewinburn Besides the normal keep away from the walls not really. Just mess with placement and toe in/out until you find that sweat spot. Are you on www.martinloganowners.com? If not join; the online community there is awesome and full of knowledge. They have helped me tremendously with building out my system over the years. I'm JLasher on there and System #238. If you go through my thread or others you can see how knowledgable the members are. Good Luck with the 13A's.

[@caballerosuave]

@Jason Lasher how which amplifier are you using to power the 15As?

[@TheJLasher22443]

@@caballerosuave Since watching this video I went on an amplifier upgrade process. Went from a McIntosh MC452 to Audio Research 160S. Then demoed Boulder, Pass Labs, and Dan D'Agostino. I've since settled on the Boulder 2160. I posted a few videos on my KZbin Channel @thevinylnoob. The Boulder just makes the 15A's sing like nothing I've ever heard.

[@caballerosuave]

@@TheJLasher22443 that’s some serious juice, man, 🤣! How do you feel that the power benefits the panels, not the woofers? I ask because I’m running Martin Logan Aerius i’s. First, they were powered by a Carver AV405. I found them lacking in satisfying bass, so I visited Audio Advice to discuss upgrading speakers. My advisor there asked about my amplifiers and suggested the root of the problem likely was lack of power. So, I acquired a pair of Emotiva XPA-1 Gen 2 monoblocks. The panels responded nicely, but the bass is still unsatisfactory. I had a conversation with Martin Logan about this, and they suggested I look into their models whose bottom end is in the 30hz - 20hz range. We also discussed that I have very powerful amplifiers. Still, I would benefit most from a non-hybrid, passive woofer model like the Request, Oddessy, Ascent, Prodigy, Classic ESL 9, and Neolith because more of the amplifier’s capabilities are utilized. The 11A - 15A panel sees the most significant benefit because the woofers are powered.

[@leecarver5512]

Is it me or are the ML a bit "tinny" sounding? Yes clean and quick but it doesn't draw me into the music like the Wilson's did. Not as much meat on the bones and a bit too much bass not as natural.

[@sickkids666]

I feel the same way. Preferred the Wilsons and Maggies.

[@manardh7387]

These allow the finish of sounds to overlay each other, it's treat to hear that on recordings. The live music balance maybe not right but it's the nature of the presentation that draws people in.

[@suheilatallah9755]

If ML sounds tinny check distance and separation from wall, by the way i own this loudspeakers and a incredible upgrade over previous mls , we had found that improving some crossover parts improves this to a totally different league, the caps we changed are those cheaps solen they use inside and put sone audyon limited caps

[@suheilatallah9755]

Wilson loudspeakers aren’t near to ml coherency and time& phase relation tips. Wilsons use different driver material types and this sensitive ears catch this anomalies, we prefer paradigm personas over them, ml we changed inside capacitors to auricaps xo and differences are stunning

[@datka3]

@@suheilatallah9755 any way you can share some pictures of crossover upgrade I have esl15s and was thinking doing similar, if you happen to have few min shot me an email Ig you can [e-mail]

[@kvrhifi]

Appreciate if you play some songs which uses real instruments

[@Benvos]

He’s playing music, not everyone listens to orchestral pieces 24/7. This is a real world test with variety.

[@202One]

😎🎉

[@jsmctch]

Drums, Bass, Guitar, piano, are those fake instruments? I would also like to hear some horns but that comment makes no sense. You must be a Theramin type of guy

[@so.calcat6476]

I have a pair of the ML 13a's, soon I'll be buying replacement AMP's, but I'm still deciding whether I should go with Mono Blocks, or a Stereo AMP, for the 13a's? J.A.L. Since you are always testing super Hi-End gear, is there any way that you could test the ML 13a's with the Luxman M900u AMP? Because that's one AMP I had in mind if I decide to go with a Stereo AMP. In the event I decide to go with Mono Block AMP's, other than what your displaying on your video. What other Mono Blocks would you recommend for me to use on the 13a's? I was thinking of PS Audio BHK's Tube Mono Block AMP's, but I'm not sure on how the 13a's would sound with Tube AMP's? Or maybe just go with Parasound Halo JC 1+ Mono Blocks and not worry about having to replace Tubes...

[@israelmathibephiri5137]

@Jay Your own opinion from face value between what you hear on the MLs and Wilsons? I would prefer the MLs. Not too bright not too closed either.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Hard to choose. Both do things differently. Magnepan needs more space than the Logans.

[@reinholdmartynmessner2294]

Be interesting to hear again after Anthem room correction applied.

[@tggonzales7971]

Very engaging and holographic soundstage, but seems a little weak in the bass. You ever had Wilson Sabrinas in your experience? This is the only Wilson in my price range. Cheers amigo, and keep up the interesting work.

[@mengng3911]

Are those two subwoofers powered on at the corners during this recording?

[@davidjames9143]

How are people on here posting all these descriptive opinions on the sound of these speakers from a Utube video? 😂

[@tdrizzy41]

How do they compare musically to Magnepan 20.7’s. I would really appreciate your response as I’m seriously in the market for 20.7 but have never heard. I own the 3.7i

[@perfectsoundpursuit007]

Guys this is the real sound.. No filters.. All sound over 300 or 400 Hz ( i not read specs..) îs from same speaker.. First when i listen ML to my room i have one wall of sound, i was thrilled, but ML need a larger room.. Wait yours feedback Jay.

[@datka3]

You probably have more experience than I do but I’ll list following that I found useful 1. During ARC setup as live calibration is running move speakers around to find most flat response . 2 I found that power cords help , I’m running DIY furutech cables but any good cable would work over the stock one . 3 plugged ML power cable to audio quest power conditioner I have 1200 energy level. 4 used isoacustic giga 1 to and noticeably improved bass response and speed of bass it starts and stops much quicker seems like . Also not sure if Your ML is new or not but after about 100 hours of playing time sound settled a lot for me ....

[@mikewinburn]

"sound settled"... what do you mean by this? good thing, not so good thing... just a thing? relaxed? flattened? thanks

[@datka3]

@@mikewinburn speaker suspension opens up so you have more balances sound , more defined base and overall sounds good , ML manual even lists that speakers need about 100-16@ hours of play time to sound at its best , so definitely a good thing 😂

[@RoselynNY]

To me, the Maggies were more open and transparent. Taller and wider soundstage. For sure the ML wins in the bass department, but if you set up the Maggies with 2 subs then I believe it bests ML any day. Thanks for everything. You continue to be fantastic.

[@emmale6416]

maggies are ugly in my humble opinion

[@stevenoconnor5693]

How are the longevity of these?

[@goodsound4756]

Great. I have pair of ML Ethos which serve me good over 10years now…

[@stephenbarnes8817]

Ok, a bit confusing with the Logan’s so far. I think part of it that the songs are mostly different than the last couple of videos and just not as familiar with them. More bass, but at this point, not tight. I didn’t think too much about the songs until REO came on. That is the best you’ve had that song sound so far I believe. The other times there’s a “distance” in the sound, as if your standing very far away. This sounded much more like you were there standing in the front row, much more immediate, less echo or processed sounding with more detail avaible. I heard parts that seemed muffled or hidden in previous videos. Once the bass get adjusted I suspect things will get even better.

[@MrFahelz]

I can tell i hate these speakers somehow over KZbin sounds way yo forward

[@SL1800]

What wood finish are the 13a’s? I have a pair in dark cherry.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Zebra

[@tamasberta7765]

Márcsak az acoustikán kellene csiszolni! Lenyűgöző rendszer, és hangzás! Gratulálok!

[@perfectsoundpursuit007]

And not forget this , electrostatics have the light membrane used ever i to a speakers . This means no have inertia and most speed reaction ever . This is the reason for witch ML ( and other electrostatics ) have a lot of details in back ground .. But it's not perfect speakers , in my opinios is Tidal , i challenge Jay for listen Tidal speakers in this room and sistem ..

[@theflyingdutchman7127]

Whats your source

[@jaysaudiolab]

Please watch the video. It's all there

[@donaldbryant5295]

slow bass

[@tommiller2579]

Special alert: Maggie’s slaughter Martin Logan’s. Film at 11.

[@rezasayar3441]

Even with best electronics all new ml sounds shadowy tinny cardboard boxy.i have had the older versions and those sound much much better than new ones. But some friends fall for them .till they listen to real musical speakers for far less money.. just my 2cent opinion please dont get mad at me for saying it..

[@rezasayar3441]

Oh by the way if you realy love stats for what they do for you there are a few realy good one out there for instance sound lab ..quad ..Sanders ...logan does not compete with these.thanks guys

[@damaster692]

Toed in to much, st that distance less toe to decrease the vocals and increase the high end, logan recommends 1/3 the panel but that's for large rooms , less toe in more 3d , try it and let me know