Martin Luther - Deep in History Talk Featuring Paul Thigpen

Dr. Paul Thigpen, author, Church historian, and former Evangelical minister, describes the monumental figure Martin Luther as “a figure of great complexity and contradiction.” In this 2005 Deep in History talk, Dr. Thigpen reveals points about Martin Luther’s life and ideology that Thigpen struggled with as a Protestant, including Luther’s early life, attitudes toward the Catholic Church, and his views on the human person.

[@mrstjs]

Thank you. Just what I needed to see. I came home at the Easter Vigil. Father in law a very strident Lutheran Pastor. Praying for my husband and boy to also see the fullness of truth found only in the Roman Catholic Church.

[@dieselcowboy777]

You won't find truth in the catholic church because they only teach false misinterpretations of the bible....they hold the truth in error

[@caritas7523]

@@dieselcowboy777 away with you satan!

[@dieselcowboy777]

@@caritas7523 Catholicism is Satan's impersonation of the church

[@caritas7523]

@@dieselcowboy777lies fed by heretics & perpetuated by suckers like u. Jesus established only one Church and it's not your churches. Study history.

[@dieselcowboy777]

@@caritas7523 i don't need to study the warped history written by catholics calling their lies orthodox... Catholicism always destroyed the true church built upon revelation or faith....Catholicism opposes and fights against the true Christian saints

[@peggyp3682]

Luther's hubris is breathtaking.

[@gardenladyjimenez1257]

Thank you so much for a respectful and very truthful presentation on Luther. It would seem impossible to condense his life, theology and historical impact into one hour. But Dr. Thigpen has done so...giving anyone who wants to pursue Luther in more detail an excellent base to build on. Irony used in the final analysis of Luther's "new" theology provides a fitting condemnation of Luther's impact on faith. This should be required viewing for anyone studying the Reformation and Luther. Thanks, again!

[@weeperman6659]

"By their fruits you shall know them."

[@terrykessinger4432]

I am a Protestant starting RCIA in a couple of months. Luther is highly revered in Evangelical circles. I even have a ML toy of him holding his thesis. As I started reading about the Church Fathers, I’ve also learned so much about him and now embarrassed at so blindly believing without researching him myself. What a pitiful human. And what damage and destruction he wrought to generations of the world.

[@hembramkanto7279]

Thank you Dr. Paul for opening my eyes and appreciating my Catholic Doctrine and Tradition!

[@TheKevinmalta]

Its amazing what one man can do...... millions upon millions must have left the One True Church of CHRIST cause of this one man. May GOD forgive him.. St Francis on the other hand, had issues with the Church, but he didnt become stubborn or angry, and left to create another church, instead he lead by example remained in the church and even perfected it. God bless all..

[@timharris2291]

Luther didn't leave the church. The Medici epicurean Leo kicked him out.

[@Thinkcat2]

I wonder if there was any choice at that point or ever after.

[@boem3021]

Perfect example of the true reformation within the Church.

[@ilonkastille2993]

Kevin Mifsud st Francis was a man of God . Luther was a tool in the hands of the Evil One. That is the difference.

[@lcringo3498]

In what sense is Roman Catholicism "perfected?? Is that a joke? 🤨🤨🤨

[@John-mi2wj]

It is good, to look at these people who broke away from Christ's church; the fullness of Truth, only to settle for a lesser truth. The further away from the sacraments one drifts, the more vulnerable on becomes at the attacks of the devil.

[@rlburton]

Why is it good?

[@ArchetypeGotoh]

Rodney Burton probably to "learn from history/experience" or something

[@Tvyasa]

the funny thing is all of these churches are now pretty much openly homosexual and worldly as all get out, I'm referring to Protestant denominations, save for fundamental baptists that is

[@lcringo3498]

Hmm....That is interesting, "John 6:56"... How come that scenario didst work with the baby-raping priests? I await your reply....😎

[@lcringo3498]

@@Tvyasa Really. Sidney? Did your baby-raping priests get that memo? About all those homosexuals, that is? I await your reply...😎

[@adamhovey407]

Well, they were right to call Martin Luther a heretic. He was a Catholic that publicly denounced Church teaching and refused to be corrected, that's a heretic.

[@xymonau2468]

Matthew 15:9 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

[@bornagain9192]

He never rejected Jesus, thank God for what a horrable place it would be even much worse than it is now, wow

[@dieselcowboy777]

No martin luther was a saint and very right for condemning the apostate catholic church

[@row1landr]

@@bornagain9192 you lose satan.

[@row1landr]

@@dieselcowboy777 you lose.

[@fransiska2928]

Thank you for another great video.. I will share ..

[@ericgatera7149]

Absolutely Excellent! I loved the presentation. I've learned a bunch! :)

[@gracianomendoza8671]

An excellent video for protestants to see but I hope they find time coz until now that Lutheran instilled pride still prevails. Again I say and quote from the bible that we hold fast to the traditions and let Mama Mary lead and guide us towards her son. Proud to be a Roman Catholic brother Paul. Thank you!

[@Meandgenevieve]

Mindblowing. I wonder if maybe underneath Luther's pride the root was fear. That maybe he went mad through fear as a result of feeling it impossible to please God.

[@ilonkastille2993]

Gum Nut i think he was possessed.

[@gleeberger8966]

@@ilonkastille2993 I totally agree, he was possessed!

[@ipso-kk3ft]

The reformation is one of the biggest historical ironies indeed.

[@jeffscully1347]

I think you spelled tragedies wrong.

[@gleeberger8966]

The last days began at Christ's ascension. I believe the Great Apostasy is Protestantism!

[@jeffscully1347]

And if you mean by historical ironies, greatest scams or hoaxes, I'm right there with you.

[@albaniancrusader01]

Why is that only learned people convert to catholicism, and unlearned people move away from it? ( until they learn). They only excuse I hear is, I didn’t feel anything. Putting feelings before, anything can go wrong.

[@Alwayslearnimg]

Catholic Christi I wouldn’t say only. But that’s otherwise generally what I’ve noticed. If someone studies enough about the church and gets enough into the early fathers chances are very good that they will convert to the Roman Catholic Church. Yes putting feelings above everything else is very dangerous. Satan can give counterfeit fuzzy feelings.

[@ilonkastille2993]

Catholic Christi “ to be deep in history is to CEASE being Protestant” is what Cardinal Newman said. After five years of study, he converted from Protestantism to Catholicism.

[@albaniancrusader01]

Rolando Velásquez Do you know what Marcus Grodi is doing now? The Coming Home Network, with Scott Hahn, Steven Ray, Tim Staples, Trent Horn etc. All converts, listen to them maybe you’ll learn something. If it was one protestant sect and one bible maybe I give Luther some credit, but there are nearly 40.000 sects and none of them agree with one another , is that what you call better? You can give people the Bible, but they put different interpretation in the same verse. Luther removed books from the Bible, but still managed to change his mind after a year and much criticism from his friends return the book of James (even in a New Testament)? Luther got corrupted from the heads in Germany and the king in England because they didn’t like the Pope. Catholic Church explains the Bible in every day mass after reading from the OT, acts including the letters and from the Gospel.

[@kadeshswanson3991]

@Rolando Velásquez I couldn't disagree more with your conclusion. If you are judging the actions of people to measure the validity of an organization then your argument falls apart. As mentioned above the reformation has extreme amounts of confusion and division. Yet the Catholic Church still stands. To your point about the Bible, yes it potentially a good thing everyone has a copy but having a Bible does not garuntee salvation. While the actions of the people of the church is bad, the consensus is still that when you study history you cease to be Protestant, if you're academically studying. Now if your empathetically studying history and looking to be offended and searching superficially then yes you will become Protestant and more than likely remain Protestant. Protestant theology stands on the shoulder of the Catholic church. Without us there would be no Bible and without us the truth of Christ would be lost. How do I know? By just looking at the current state of affairs within Protestantism. So unfortunately Protestantism may have done some good in correcting the practices of the Catholic Church but it in now way reformed anything else.

[@richardbonnette490]

@Rolando Velásquez Vigilant Christian is not Catholic. He is An ex-atheist turned "Christian", whatever that is. Nothing shows on practically any search. If he was Catholic, at least his baptism would have catalogued by the local parish. He is not a catholic, that is a false equivalency unless if you misspelled or misunderstood him. He's probably attempting to use the videos for free donations of money, anyways.

[@alexchristopher221]

It was because of his acute sense of guilt, unworthiness, and despair that he created his novel doctrine of justification by faith alone and formed the idea of imputed righteousness.

[@adamhovey407]

Alex Lielbardis do you know what the sad thing is? I think people like Luther and Calvin could have been some of the Church's greatest Saints because they were intelligent and I did know the Bible the problem is is that they were proud whereas Saints are humble. would they not have been proud I think they would be on the Roman Calendar

[@davegugg7177]

Adam, I've had that thought myself. Clearly the Church needed reform, but instead Luther and Calvin broke away and formed their own Churches. So many saints were frustrated with the hierarchy, but in submitting to it they affected great change.

[@mrstjs]

Yes --- he completely misunderstood the sacrament of confession (that you are forgiven for omitted sins). I wonder if actually reverted back to Catholicism at the very end. -former Lutheran (new Catholic at Easter Vigil)

[@mrstjs]

Exactly -- maybe like John of the Cross. But Luther had that vain certitude that he was the first one to get it right in 1500 years.

[@patriciacole3892]

so selling indolgences is the way to go? lying to people by selling indulgences meaning you can but forgiveness ? or take someone out of hell and you can buy it for sins you will commit in the future utter nonsense we are saved by grace olone not works lest any should boast this video is rubbish

[@SensusFidelium]

Get the book 'facts about Luther' TAN publishes it. Outstanding book

[@mrstjs]

Good....is it written like a history book?

[@mrstjs]

Need something to give my Lutheran husband. I just converted to the Roman Catholic Church. I think he would read something with a historical slant that gives Luther's own quotes (like this lecture).

[@dieselcowboy777]

History is just as corrupted as the catholic church is....it isn't accurate

[@aidaruilova140]

Excellent talk! Thank you!

[@albaniancrusader01]

Thank you that was beautiful. God bless

[@nickerojp]

Great video,thank You.

[@user-qg6wy3sv2h]

From Colombia, God bless you. With those last words of yours I get down on my knees The doors of hell have not prevail... and the Catholic Church remains...

[@triconcert]

Wow! Eye opening and penetrating! Thanks Dr Paul.

[@lamamadeltopo84]

Oh my Jesus. What an ending. Amazing.

[@deedeebrando6749]

So, it is Luther himself is the anti Christ not the Pope. He thought himself as higher than Jesus, than God Himself. I think people who believe in him are those who not want to be called out of their sins . That they believe that even they do evil deeds they can still be save.

[@gareginasatryan6761]

It’s tragic really. The guy most likely had bipolar disorder, and maybe other mental disorders too. Calvin, while generally stable, had egomania and delusions of grandeur.

[@chaplainmattsanders4884]

Excellent presentation.

[@johnd7496]

St. Paul meant that the CALL to Christ is not earned by works and even while we are yet deep in sin and have done no good works, Christ calls us. St. Paul writes that Abraham was called BEFORE he was circumcised. But after accepting his call we have to do good works of course. Paul wrote in response to Jewish converts to Christianity who wanted to exclude non-Jews from following Christ because Jews believed non-Jews were doomed and not eligible for heaven anyway because they were terrible sinners and did not follow the Jewish law. St. Paul writes that even Abraham was called BEFORE he followed any law of circumcision etc.

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Excellent

[@nancytrombley323]

To get freedom from a guilty conscience some people drink, some people confess and some start their own religion.

[@jesuscovarrubias1278]

Hahahaha i can't stop laughing!!! I was reading all the comments and ran into yours and made laugh so hard i was crying!!! (Viva Cristo Rey!!!)

[@albaniancrusader01]

There is only one angle that keeps you up, but there are many which we can fall.

[@seraphimdunn]

"15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patiencemeans salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction" -2 Peter 3:15-16 Luther should have humbled himself.

[@joycedsouza1585]

Thank you for this enlightened talk. I love being a Catholic

[@themulebreeder626]

After hearing all this, how in God's name be a Protestant? Especially if one is aware to the "eternal shenanigans"? I wonder how much Hegel got influenced.... Work to do!

[@Maskedlapis64]

Is there anywhere we can get the citations from this talk?

[@fantasia55]

Google them.

[@emmanuelogbu8851]

What an iconic closure

[@isiwaktu2525]

Thank Internet. Where we are far away from books: hard to find and expansive. Away from Flores; Indonesia thank for your Speaking. Deus providebit.

[@patsyk1213]

The effects of Martin Luther's rejection of the Catholic Church is not paradoxical...they are expected and usual effects of heresy and schism. Also this speaker assumes Luther had good intentions that ended badly. However Luther did not have good intentions. He was vain, disobedient and a murderer who killed his friend in an illegal duel...which is one of the reason Luther himself gave to entering the monastery,

[@quertykeyz]

Can anyone find the original sources he was quoting from?

[@WithDiamonds778]

Obviously, Luther forgot the very basic reason why there should the Catholic Church, because Jesus established it. You can never question Jesus in that, otherwise, why are you a christian? He made a mistake. The Catholic Church is still intact and his action produced 33k other churches and counting. I wonder if it is too late to pray for his soul. I am really concerned where he went after his death.

[@jefflebowski918]

Jesus didn't establish the Catholic Church, it was Paul and who created it.

[@maribrunnsteiner9621]

@@jefflebowski918 pls read a Catholic bible again so you will know who said in this Rock i will create the Catholic apostolic church...

[@ilonkastille2993]

M. Reyes you can only pray for his soul if he is in purgatory. What Luther did was diabolical . The results of the Reformation changed the civilization of Europe and attacked Christianity . We can see today what it led to.

[@marioarballo7246]

@@ilonkastille2993 purgatory??? Where is that in the bible????

[@isiwaktu2525]

@@marioarballo7246 deuterokanonika; Luther put it away from bible.

[@feliceboccella8191]

La fede della chiesa cattolica e perfetta e bella.!

[@glennlanham6309]

la fede magari ...ma c'i sono gente dentro un po....raro....noninstante, viva il papa.....

[@floridaman318]

Why do i get Islamic vibes from Luther's story arch? 🤔

[@natemup]

I had the same thought... "An angel told me to fix the world's theology..."

[@slimseun580]

Luther's commentary on Galatians is glorious and liberating!

[@floridaman318]

Cope

[@LostArchivist]

He should have listened to St.Ignatius works on affect early on. Perhaps then, he would not have been lead to hate, pride and schismatic heresy.

[@lynnebyron7169]

🙏 Amen ❤

[@albaniancrusader01]

The high-priestly prayer of Jesus the night of the Last Supper. Here are the first words of the Lord: "Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are one." God is, in his innermost nature, a community of love, and God’s purpose vis-à-vis the world is to draw it into his unity. God is a great gathering force. Jesus continues: "I do not ask that you take them out of the world but that you keep them from the Evil One." Precisely because the world is so opposed to the way of Jesus, it is always tempting for Christians more or less to flee, to seek to live in private enclaves where we can cultivate the life of discipleship.

[@ArchetypeGotoh]

Like Arius before him, and Mohammad, and Joseph Smith to follow, Luther follows the tried-and-true formula: if you discover "the truth" that "everyone else got wrong" for x-hundred years, but you lose debates with the orthodox theologians, take to the streets and recruit the masses until you've found enough people (largely friends and folks in your family) who agree with you, then demand legitimacy from the Church based on "the proof of your truth based on the witness of the Spirit confirmed in your followers." Works every time

[@row1landr]

Yep, that Kool-aid is hard to resist. May God help those fallen away people.

[@chinitapink8074]

The protestant deformation brings about alot of Bible scholars and all with their own interpretation. May God mercy over his soul..🙏🏻

[@myrnasmarvelmoments-3ms807]

Wow nice!!! Now i know where those propaganda against Catholicism came from! OMG God Bless the Soul of Martin Luther🙏🏻

[@Maryorra]

Wow! People chose to follow this deeply disturbed man with twisted theological ideas and lies! No wonder there are a hundred interpretations of the scriptures in the different denominations of the Protestant churches.

[@boem3021]

Well, not the last psycho filled with self pride, who grew up in Germany, that's given.

[@rhwinner]

I knew Luther was bad. I didn't know he was a devil.

[@floridaman318]

For real. He was a truly twisted individual.

[@xxfreshpineapplesxx]

The irony is it’s in his own words😢

[@monrajesh7581]

🌾🌾🌾PRAISE THE LORD 💙💜❤️Thank you Lord jesus christ❤️💚💜 forLuther 🙏🙏🧡❤️💚💙

[@borneandayak6725]

And Luther bring 35, 000 new church into existence, while 1.3 bilion Catholic preserve the true teaching of Jesus and the Apostoles......

[@Meandgenevieve]

All this Church/ Bible, Catholic/ Protestant stuff is very complex. Thousands of people coming back from experiences in Heaven or eternity or the afterlife are now saying God just wants us to Love. This is why we're here, to learn to Love. Love ourselves, Love others, Love the planet.

[@joecastillo8798]

He also said: . “The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.” "If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven. If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you." "Do this in memory of me" I hope you reflect on them.

[@tzaoriana]

Cult start with him? I never heard of him being a cradle catholic and all

[@snowice8816]

Regardless if he was a cradle catholic or not, his teachings and beliefs and heresies still bind and apply.

[@junelledembroski9183]

The things Luther wrote! 😱

[@gentilenation1117]

Hmmmm. Wycliff, Hus, Luther, and the printing press must be a divine design for change. Abuses had to stop?

[@1901elina]

Calling yourself "Lutheran" sounds like masochism after this.

[@slimseun580]

Luther rediscovered the glorious Gospel! He exposed the horrors of Tetzel's indulgence trade.

[@floridaman318]

Cope.

[@robmccarthy1018]

Luther never wanted to start a 'new' church or condemn the Roman Catholic Church. He wanted to 'Reform' it and bring it back to the Word. As a Lutheran Christian, I love many of the Catholic traditions and teachings but I wish someone could convince me that the Pope (Bishop of Rome) is in a direct historical line from St Peter. I believe that the interpretation of the 'Keys' from Matthew is important, but does it mean 'Peter' is the rock on which Christ builds His Church or is it Peter's Confession of Jesus as Savior, the Rock? An age old debate of bible scholars.

[@FAMA-18]

It means Peter is the Rock that Jesus built his Church on, and made him second in command by giving him the keys of the Kingdom of Haven with Authority to teach and keep the traditions of the word of God and the authority to ordain his successors that are guided by the Holy Ghost till Jesus returns.

[@floridaman318]

Why on earth would you want to call yourself after anything associated with his name knowing what a vile creature he was?

[@halo0360]

Even the fathers recognized the Chair of St. Peter as his confession not his actual person. How arrogant must one be to think Jesus made the actual man Peter the rock of his church.

[@NevetsWC1134]

@@halo0360 most Protestant scholars now except that Peter is the rock that Jesus built his church on

[@annakimborahpa]

@@FAMA-18 1. Regarding Simon Peter as the 'rock': A. In the Gospel of John 1:42, at the beginning of His public ministry, Jesus gave Simon the name Cephas, a transliteration of the Aramaic work Kephas, which means 'rock'. Although John's gospel was written in Greek, Jesus was speaking in Aramaic. Peter is the Greek male translation form of the Aramaic word 'rock'. B. John 1:42, (ESV): "Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon the son of John. You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter). C. In Matthew 16:18, Jesus was making a play on words (a double meaning) that combined (A) the person of Simon with (B) Simon's confession of faith in Christ's divinity, in effect saying 'you are a rock and on this rock.' 2. Regarding apostolic succession from Peter is the following: A. From Wikipedia: Irenaeus (/ɪrɪˈneɪəs/; Greek: Εἰρηναῖος Eirēnaios; c. 130 - c. 202 AD) was a Greek bishop noted for his role in guiding and expanding Christian communities in the southern regions of present-day France and, more widely, for the development of Christian theology by combating heterodox or Gnostic interpretations of Scripture as heresy and defining proto-orthodoxy. Originating from Smyrna, he had seen and heard the preaching of Polycarp, who in turn was said to have heard John the Evangelist,[5] and thus was the last-known living connection with the Apostles. Chosen as bishop of Lugdunum, now Lyon, his best-known work is Against Heresies. B. From the New Advent website, Irenaeus' Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 3, No. 1-3 (written c. 180 AD): (1) It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to "the perfect" apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity. (2) Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority [potiorem principalitatem]. (3) The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolic tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.

[@georgeel-vp7sk]

Man, Martin Luther was a real peach, no?

[@feliceboccella8191]

The Catholic Church is perfect

[@lcringo3498]

@@spencerburgess3689 Did YOU see the explosion of baby-raping priests and the cover up agents enabling them, "Every Knee Shall Bow "?? Mull and reflect on this "church ",my friend.....🤨

[@lcringo3498]

The Catholic Church is (or was) a perfect place for hiding baby raping priests and the enablers who hid them, Felice....GAG...😎

[@maribrunnsteiner9621]

@@lcringo3498 it is the Catholic doctrine is perfect but people are not. So dont follow the people who did wrong acts instead follow the doctrine of the catholic church implemented by good People or good priests. Indeed there are ill-fated priests. but there are way way more priests or laymen in the catholic fäith who did good things/ or who resisted temptation so we followed these kind of People not the bad ones.

[@Alwayslearnimg]

Mari Brunnsteiner absolutely. I Pou used to say “never let a hypocrite stand between you and Jesus because then they’re closer to him than you are“ that goes for so many things not just hypocrites. Humans make up the church humans are not perfect.

[@snowice8816]

@@lcringo3498 The Church itself is perfect because Jesus himself established it. "We" (humans) in our fallen state will, weather prideful nor fallible are perfect. It's just human nature (naturally inclined) for power like Lucifer! However the church itself is perfect because as said before Jesus himself established it.

[@dave1370]

Seeing people misunderstand and even misrepresent Luther's teachings and then authoritatively teaching that to others is astonishing.

[@jeffscully1347]

When you read Luther's actual quotes and read his own theology, it is impossible to deny that he was wrong. Nowhere does it say that if you have a problem with understanding Jesus' Church and the authority He gave it, you can just start up your own and make up whatever you want.

[@anng.4542]

​@@jeffscully1347 Luther definitely had a few problems, including not being able to curb, let's just say, certain appetites, that should have excluded him from the seminary.

[@jeffscully1347]

@anng.4542 anyone who learns, sees, and knows the truth about Luther would never follow him or ANY of the tens of thousands of man-made Protestant denominations.

[@anng.4542]

Dave - There's a tremendous amount of historical biographical information in this talk, which you simply dismiss as "lies".

[@jeffscully1347]

@@anng.4542 Luther had ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY to do what he did. Jesus didn't come back to Earth and slip him His spare set of keys to the kingdom of Heaven.

[@slimseun580]

The freedom of a Christian is one of best devotional books!

[@floridaman318]

Cope

[@halo0360]

I question whether Roman Catholics actually ever read Luther or ever actually read the scholarship out there on him. I’m not sure where these notions of Luther come from. Perhaps it is bias and a one-sided view of him.

[@boem3021]

Obviously, he was not a saintly person.

[@halo0360]

@@boem3021 Have you read Luther?

[@NevetsWC1134]

Dud you watch the video. He quoted scholars and Luther's writings

[@joecastillo8798]

​@@halo0360 There's no doubt, my friend, that "division" is not from God, it's from "the divider" the Devil. What does Jesus say about unity in His Church? John 17:21-23 21. So may they all BE ONE. Just as you, Father, are in me, and I am in you, so also may they BE ONE in us: so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22. And the glory that you have given to me, I have given to them, so that they may BE ONE, just as we also are one. 23. I am in them, and you are in me. So may they be perfected as ONE. And may the world know that you have sent me and that you have loved them, just as you have also loved me. Mr. Halo, I ask you: Where do you read to "be divided" according "personal interpretation"? Nowhere! Such act is not from God, it's from the Devil.

[@EC-rd9ys]

“All works are mortal sin”??! Oye. Is that a direct quote?

[@billy1132]

Praise Our LORD GOD in CHRIST JESUS, that Almighty GOD, raised up roman catholic priest to read The Holy Bible n question the manolethic roman catholic church which had not preached Sola Scriptura(The Bible Alone) n this launched The Protestant 9Christian Reformation!! All Glory to GOD in CHRIST JESUS Name👏

[@almacintosh161]

Wil liam Martin Luther inserted the word "Alone" after faith, changing scripture to suit his own belief. Many are deceived because of his heretical teachings.

[@magoklou1302]

Wil liam, It is wonderful to express that...but you should aso say...thanks be to Judas Scariot who betrayed our Lord Jesus, and that we are saved through his blood He shed to wash away our Sins... And thanks be to the Satan who protested against God, so that God's son had to come down to save the humanity from the devil Confusion.

[@kerrytopel9835]

Wil liam did you listen to this? Martin Luther was clearly either insane, obsessed or possessed by demons or just evil. The Church may have had corrupted people corrupting certain practices but the Church has--to this day-- preserved Christ's Words and teachings and Luther--and Protestants since--have perverted and changed Christ's teachings more & more over time.

[@dwightsornberger8916]

I would love to see a debate on the actual points in Luther's 95 theses. Instead we get bla, bla, bla.

[@gleeberger8966]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

[@omarren]

Sorry he was a mad man

[@floridaman318]

Yeah that's my conclusion. He was completely batshit, and probably 💩 faced all the time.

[@nancytrombley323]

As Christians we were warned their will come false shepherds. Marian prophesies warn Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the antichrist.. Are we there yet?

[@anng.4542]

Some of Luther's ranting and false reasoning sounds like the manifestations a priest might hear during liturgical exorcism.

[@lindaschmidt8315]

As if luther is far worse than Judas as l heard the story who he was.

[@gleeberger8966]

WOW!!! The sad thing is, Luther is most likely in hell, that which he didn't want when he was a young man... and even sadder, he most likely hates and blames God all the more now than when he was on earth. He was a false teacher, false prophet, and false self made messiah.

[@anng.4542]

There have been a couple people who had visions of Luther in hell, with a demon pounding a spike through his skull. One was Blessed Maria Serafina Micheli.

[@gleeberger8966]

@@anng.4542 Oh my gosh 😔

[@aedsell]

Poignant is not pronounced poig-nant, but rather poyn-yant. Hoping the speaker sees this.

[@Tsumebleraar]

Fact - Luther translated the Bible in German. THANK God!

[@NevetsWC1134]

There were already German bibles before him

[@annakimborahpa]

1. Yes, and Martin Luther added the word 'alone' (Allein) in his translation of Romans 3:28 to read: "We hold that a man is justified by faith 'alone' (Allein) apart from the works of the law." 2. Here's what Luther wrote when challenged about the addition of this word to the sacred text: A. "If your papist worries you about the word 'alone', just tell him plainly that Dr. Martin Luther will have it so, and says: 'Papist and donkey are one and the same thing; sic volo, sic jubeo, stat pro ratione voluntas.' ["I wish it, I command it. Let my will take the place of a reason." (Luther quoting the Latin from 1st-2nd AD author Juvenal's satirical poems Satyrai)] For we must not be the pupils or disciples of the papists, but on the contrary their masters and judges. We ought to swagger and hammer on their donkey-heads, and, as Paul challenged the sanctimonious fools of his day, so I will also challenge these donkeys of mine." [G.W. Bromiley, Thomas Cranmer Theologian (London, 1956), p.36.] B. "I am sorry now that I did not add the word 'all' so that it would read 'without all works of all laws', and thus ring out loudly and completely. However, it shall stand as it is in my New Testament, and though all the Papist-donkeys go mad about it, they shall not move me from this." [A. Hilliard Atteridge, Martin Luther (London, 1940), pp.19-20.]

[@piushalg8175]

He was not the first to do it. Inform yourself.

[@slimseun580]

Man's will is not free but depraved by the fall. That is why we need regeneration of the Holy Spirit!

[@floridaman318]

Heresy

[@glennlanham6309]

Luther's great Mystical vision came when he was sitting on the JOHN??? by their FRUITS shall you know them....!!!!!!

[@piushalg8175]

Yes, Luther vehemntly denied human free will. And if you object that he just meant free will in spiritual things it is an utterly absurd opinion (crazy like schizophrenia)

[@debbiedouglas5516]

Poor, lost and emotional soul.

[@ilonkastille2993]

Debbie Douglas emotional unhinged souls like him are used as a tool by the Evil One who wanted to destroy The Church from day one.

[@Tsumebleraar]

The Gospel was rediscovered by Luther and caused millions to be saved! The RC responded with burning the saints. THANK GOD FOR LUHTER!

[@Lezith456]

What part didn't you hear??? Que parte no oiste!??!? Viva Cristo Rey!!! Viva el Papa!!!! Viva la Santa Madre Iglesia Catolica!!!

[@toninewilson651]

Wow, sounds like Luther was the anti christ, complete with lies and foul language.

[@slimseun580]

Very one sided. Some of the most saintly people were and are Lutherans e.g. Richard Wurmbrandt ( martyr under communism in Romania) and Martin Rautanen pioneer missionary in Africa.

[@floridaman318]

Cope

[@anng.4542]

Slimseun - The talk is based on historical records, including Luther's own writings.

[@slimseun580]

And the RC burned thousands of Christians!

[@floridaman318]

""Christians""

[@NevetsWC1134]

And Luther drowned thousands of Christian’s

[@anng.4542]

Slimseun - Yes, both sides persecuted one another. Because back then, governments applied religious beliefs as policy.

[@valariousv7697]

Luther Truely was a fool; I wonder if he made it into Purgatory.

[@joelpankow7178]

Dr. Thigpen takes quote after quote in a sensational way without trying to actually understand Luther's true doctrines. Read Luther's explanation to the Ten Commandments, "We should fear and love God that we lead a pure and decent life in words and actions, and that husband and wife love and honor each other." This presenter has no idea of how Luther made a distinction between Law and Gospel. I don't think he knows what it is. (The devil is always rubbing the Christian's conscience in his sin with the desire that we despair. Until we realize that we are true sinners we will not realize that we need a true Savior. It is not a call to sin. It is a call to repent. Jesus died for sinners - not for people who cover their sin by doing things that are prescribed by human rules instead of the Word.) Yes, Luther used brash and vulgar language. He was a sinner. We don't condone it. Lutherans don't worship Luther. They follow the Book of Concord - not written by Luther. Dr. also fails to mention that Luther quoted many church fathers as did Martin Chemnitz who came right after Luther. The problem they had was when the fathers and the councils contradicted each other. So Lutherans go back to the Scriptures as the ultimate authority. Luther spoke against enthusiasts who arose in Germany and claimed personal revelation. Luther did not claim personal revelation. He was called to teach the WORD at WIttenberg, and it was the Word that showed him who Christ truly is. Again, he wanted to be genuinely catholic - and the Catholic Church would not repent of their false doctrine and teachings. Luther said faith doesn't lie on the heart as a duck on water, but as heated water becomes warm. He didn't claim that faith didn't change the person on the inside, only that whatever change there is DOESN'T JUSTIFY. I could go on . . . Dr. Thigpen doesn't get it. Like I said, he uses Luther's colorful language as an entertainment and blames Luther for all of the immorality in Germany. I wonder if there was any immorality in Rome at the time? Check your history.

[@AveChristusRex]

+Joel Pankow >"without trying to actually understand Luther's true doctrines" Why even follow _Luther's_ doctrines? Why not the perennial Catholic faith that well preceded him and goes right back to the start, to the unanimous Christian interpretation since the Apostles? "He who does accept my doctrine, cannot be saved" Yeah, right. That _is_ what a false teacher would say. Why do you, like Luther, make this absolute distinction between works and faith, when "faith is perfect by works", and "faith without works is dead", and "man is justified by works, not by faith alone". Do you forget that Christ said, "If you live Me, keep My commandments?", "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven". Or more explicitly, John writes, "Anyone who says, 'I know Him', but not not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him". The contradiction between the two (faith and works) is non-existent. When Paul talks about" the works of the law", he talks against works, _earning_ you salvation. In addition to the context making this ABUNDANTLY clear, he writes elsewhere clearly, "God is not unjust. He will not forget your work and the love you have shown for His name as you have ministered to the saints and continue to do so. We want each of you to show the same diligence *to the very end, so that your hope may be fully assured*." He also says, "Without peace and *holiness, no one will see the Lord*." Again, "If I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." This alone disproves faith alone. Charity is always active. God bless.

[@joelpankow7178]

Yes, I call myself a Christian, covered in the perfect righteousness of Christ, with all of my terrible sins. That, I say, is the definition of what Christians do.

[@joelpankow7178]

Libera Nos Domine Faith without works is dead, this is true. Works justify our faith in the eyes of men. Faith in Christ's work justifies us in the eyes of God. Outward works are reflections of inner faith in Christ, but they do not save. Luther was never against works. He was against man made Catholic works and the idea that works could make us right in God's eyes. "All our righteous acts are like filthy rags," Isaiah wrote. Luther's doctrines - yes - I should have said Biblical doctrine. Luther wasn't trying to break away from the church, he was trying to reform it according to the Bible, not according to councils which declared doctrines - which were contradictory in themselves. Catholic doctrine is unanimous at one time and then decides to have a different and contradictory unanimous doctrine a hundred years later. So much for unanimity.

[@joelpankow7178]

***** I also called his language brash and vulgar.

[@AveChristusRex]

Did you not hear in this video, Luther condemning works outright? >"He was against man made Catholic works" Could you elaborate on what this consists of? >"All our righteous acts are like filthy rags," Isaiah wrote" "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds like filthy rags" Isaiah 64:6a is talking about works not being able to save you (from God's punishment in context), and works done in unrighteousness. This is unrelated to the works you've admitted are necessary, and which are worked in Christ (_John 15:1-6_ etc), and which _are_ pleasing to God (_Hebrews __13:16_ etc). If faith without works is dead, then I submit to you, they are not 'optional', but active. Wrought in grace through Christ. Never _earning_ the salvation it is being worked in, but a necessary fruit of it. I think your problem is claiming 'faith' is anything other than all those things taught us by Christ, such as doing good and being judged thereby, the most important tenet of which being that all of this is based on the grace and salvation given us through the Passion. I think by faith you seem to mean that this consists _only_ in assent or confidence in the work of Christ, and not _everything_ taught us by Christ, including the imperative to do good etc (remember the damning of those who did not feed the poor etc?) The Council of Trent, in its canons on Justification _rightly_, therefore, denounces such false doctrines as contradict Scripture: CANON IX. If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema. (James 2:17,24, Romans 6:16, etc) CANON XII. If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema. (James 2:19, 1 Corinthians 13:2 etc) >"Luther wasn't trying to break away from the church, he was trying to reform it according to the Bible" Luther is a man. He has absolutely 0 authority to conform any church to his fallible, and _NOVEL_ interpretation of Scripture and impose it on anyone. Neither does the Church. it just teaches what has always been believed. Also, reading the Bible alone, devoid of the _necessary) contexts in which it was formed is bound to end in all kinds of interpretations -- all equally valid, again, if devoid of that context. >"councils which declared doctrines - which were contradictory in themselves. Catholic doctrine is unanimous at one time and then decides to have a different and contradictory unanimous doctrine a hundred years later. " Could you cite an example? God bless

[@Peter-uj8ye]

Luther would have strongly condemned the Novus Ordo Vatican ll sect

[@Sharkman1963]

Luther worshipped himself, rather than the Trinity.

[@solotiana7251]

I don't mean to be rude but the first 7 minutes of this talk is just trash : a lot of talk yet nothing meaningful, 0 fact, just a lot of assumptions and judgement.

[@floridaman318]

He should be trash talked.

[@anng.4542]

Solo Tiana - It's called "an introduction". Perhaps you aren't intellectually prepared to listen to an academic lecture.

[@xymonau2468]

Propaganda from the beast power itself.