Marvel Comics: Wiccan Explained

[@allymofo2332]

wiccan is one of my absolute favs and i’m loving joe lockes take, it’s def not what i expected from him but it’s fresh

[@sazude2]

What did u expect from him?

[@Realthejoker]

His character is pretty boring and has bad writing so idk how he would be anyone’s favorite unless you’re gay

[@allymofo2332]

@@Realthejoker he’s the son of the scarlet witch, married to the god damn king of space, and is destined to become the demiurge, that shits metal bro

[@Realthejoker]

@@allymofo2332 but the writing is beyond boring and he hasn’t really shown shi special 😭 they should’ve made someone else the demiurge at this point

[@sazude2]

@allymofo2332 Nah just leave him be. He seems to be homophobic.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

All I know is, he's doing way better than his brother. Man said "I'm gonna be the guy with super speed who stands out among all the speedsters."

[@SuperRONDALE]

That’s marvels fault for not liking speedsters

[@JayClearman411]

@@SuperRONDALEit’s just really really tough to write for speedsters imo..unless you limit an hamper them. The fast an more powerful the individual the more effort is needed to create a good quality story. We see this with flash it has very few iconic noteworthy stories.

[@Kontonymous]

@@JayClearman411 In a universe full of reality warpers and 9000 IQ turbo geniuses, is a speedster really that impressive? DC does speedsters right. Not sure why Marvel can't.

[@DeathBYDesign666]

​@@KontonymousOnly if you convolute the lore enough, you even have speedsters tapping into crisis energy or whatnot, out running reality warpers and gods, time travel is always a good go-to for speedsters. Marvel can't really do much that DC hasn't already done before when you think about it, so what would be the point?

[@dustinhernandez-eaton42]

⁠@@JayClearman411honestly I think people make it harder then it needs to be

[@arc7375]

Poor Tommy. Billy was _always_ the favourite.

[@LD_Paradox]

Tommy just wants to the fastest man alive😂 bily wants to usurp reality

[@phineassss4901]

Much like his uncle Pietro 😂

[@drbiohazmat]

I feel like the only way Tommy will get more time to shine is if his powers also get super boosted like some kind of "turns out it's not actually speed itself" kind of thing. Cliche and, if they do it, I hope it's not like DC's speed force

[@balloongy]

​​@@drbiohazmatThe crazy part is, that's kind of already implied. In the Young Avengers Infinity comic they say "He doesn't know what he is, or what he and his brother can do." In Young Avengers vol 2 Billy goes, "My brother warps time and space to punch you 50 times a second". I see it as Billy can warp reality and (eventually) rewrite the rules of magic. Tommy can warp time and space. Together they can warp all three? They have yet to fully explore it yet. Hoping Anthony Oliveira gets to write his Young Avengers comic one day.

[@scotlandtheinsane3359]

Always the favourite all along even...

[@StarlightXvoid]

I think there’s a bit of a misconception. Billy/Wiccan does not tap into the powers of the Demiurge, or this demiurge primordial or anything like that. He is “The Demiurge.” Different from the one in Thor, most likely. Billy just doesn’t always have full access to this other power of his that are separate from the one he inherited from Wanda. And also, “The Demiurge” (Billy) had existed before it incarnated itself in human form, which is now the identity of Billy. So Billy is the Demiurge and the Demiurge is Billy. They are one and the same, but just manifested in human form. We know this because when Dormamu came into contact with Billy, he recognized him has being the Demiurge incarnated in human flesh and implied he had known the Demiurge before it incarnated itself in a human form that is now the form of Billy. He even said that Billy (the Demiurge), before he incarnated as a human, he had already been creating worlds and whole existences. And so Billy being destined to become the Demiurge is more so him leaving his mortal human form and becoming once again, the full and whole Demiurge has he once was before he had incarnated himself in human form, which probably happened through the procession of Wanda and her reality warping mess.

[@talon532]

Finally, some actual real facts! Proof that Rob doesn't always knows what he's talking about.

[@StarlightXvoid]

@@talon532 I think Rob just misunderstood the connection between Billy and his Demiurgic other half.

[@noxus6428]

So kinda like Jean and the pheonix

[@StarlightXvoid]

@@noxus6428 I guess so. But Jean and the phoenix were separate beings before but now have merged into one another. So yes, that’s the case now, but not so much in the past.

[@giornikitop5373]

dunno, marvell is filled with "gods". all it comes to mind when hearing Demiurge, is lucifer but i know this comes from gnostics. it actually means creator but not a specific one.

[@imightbeeverywhere]

i'm happy that ppl are quite excited for him as well since i've been waiting for his appearance in so long

[@petersaysthings]

Same here, ever since WandaVision I started reading the Young Avengers comics because people said they were popping up in the MCU and I was like omg a gay superhero, I immediately loved him and being gay and having lost my mom at a young age, I related a lot to him so I'm excited Wiccan is finally here! 😊

[@imightbeeverywhere]

@@petersaysthings i’m very sorry that happened dear:( but i’m glad that you can relate to this character and is excited for him as well! i really love that for you!!! I hope that many more gay kids can feel seen and find comfort in him too ♥︎

[@pnut3844able]

Yep. I'm so hoping they're bringing mama back too, she's one of my all time favorites

[@bluboy4ver2]

One of my biggest gripes with Marvel is that they’ve benched Billy and only attach him to other characters comics as a guest appearance. His magical knowledge should be further along by now which is why I think Wanda would beat him in a base powers battle because she has become a magical expert. I wish Marvel would just give Wiccan to Steve Orlando and let him expand on his lore but at the least let his powers progress. The last storyline where we got to see what he could do was the Wiccan & Hulking digital comic where Agatha sent he and Teddy to different universes. Billy was able to break from Agatha’s spell pretty quickly but the interesting part was how he seemingly found the universe Teddy was trapped in without much effort. Billy can hop through the multiverse like there’s nothing to it. Wiccan needs a new story independent of Wanda or Speed.

[@sazude2]

Did it look like they had top and bottom roles in that specific comic?

[@kcrose6761]

Thank you for this video! Billy has been one of my favorite characters for the last decade and I've been waiting for a video to discuss him. Much love Rob! Your videos are my favorite to watch on KZbin!

[@hao9508]

After this episode I hope this video blows up

[@_TheViewer_]

There’s some magical vibe with vintage comics, almost like with vintage music, already looking at the panels from back then have that kind of feeling when listening to an old radio broadcast or some 👌🥲

[@yasmineaubrey8255]

I really hope Wiccan & Speed gets more exposure not only in the comics but as well as shows and games. They are such cool characters and one of my personal favorites. I would love to see them interact more with Wanda, Pietro, Magneto, and Polaris. I can already imagine the crazy family shenanigans they could get into.

[@masonambrose1093]

Video Request: Rescaling Wanda. Since she’s had tons of recent comics give her a major power boost since your last video about her. Shes the embodiment of Primordial Chaos in all of Marvel. Could be fun

[@mjmaximoff3762]

I need more Tommy content from Marvel but I'm loving that he's been showing up more in the comics alongside Wanda and Pietro

[@roguedeathangel]

One of the things I always loved about that original Issue 1 YA line up was that they were ALL misdirects. Patriot dresses like Bucky... but has nothing to do with Bucky. Iron Lad looks like kid Iron Man... but he's actually Kid Kang. Billy went by Asgardian and used lightning powers... but isn't Asgardian or connected to Thor. Hulking... not even close to any Hulk.

[@fcm3d]

Wiccan is dope.

[@yea7280]

billy isn’t just channeling the demiurge he IS the demiurge meaning that is his base form. he can rewrite the laws of magic to his will and literally walk over the multiverse like a comic book page

[@cky7765]

Yes sir!! It's awesome

[@MalachiasTraum]

Rob you just mixed up demiurge and demogorge. Demiurge was creator of elder gods.

[@ricklegaspi4559]

Marvel's Bill and Ted's excellent adventures?

[@1972EJ]

Apparently Allan Heinberg, the first writer of the Young Avengers, is a fan of the movie. Teddy's middle name is Rufus, which is another reference to the movie, so I'm told. But yes, that's on purpose. :)

[@TheWarmachine375]

Wiccan's Power Level is Over 9000.

[@RellyKaima]

Black Panther and The Predator are having a jungle showdown , please give us another Predator epic series Rob

[@SuperRONDALE]

Dope spill covered it

[@byronwesley6643]

I hope it is a prequel to The avengers versus aliens story

[@Kushydomeshots]

What about the Predator vs Wolverine story. Where the predator race kept sending predators to fight Wolverine

[@camrendavis6650]

​@@Kushydomeshotshe did that one already

[@JadeSentinel]

Great video!!! Please do a deep dive on the comic origins of the Witches Road

[@ushijimawakatoshi1429]

So the mother is originally made to be the vessel of Chton and her son became the Demiurge incarnate. Such family dynamic.

[@sazude2]

That's no longer the case because now she has taken over Chthon and instead of her being his vessel, she's has him as part of her powerset.

[@Yannis1a]

So in the original story the kids were created when Agatha was killed by the Salem Seven and Wanda used her powers to defeat them, while using this magic she accidentally wished to be pregnant, so the kids were supposed to be a miracle

[@sazude2]

Immaculate conception

[@vellGrande]

Na it's Franklin Richards because he destroy mephisto and those pieces are billy and his brother

[@Yannis1a]

@@vellGrande So at that moment, in the original “Wanda and Vision” comics, the connection between them and Mephisto hadn’t been written yet, they were just magical babies, with no father

[@Sandslash19]

How do you accidentally wish to be pregnant in the middle of a battle?😂😂

[@giornikitop5373]

@@Sandslash19 priorities my man!!!! doesn't matter where or what she's doing, she's always hungry for the D.

[@cruzjohnmark]

WICCAN's magic is Wanda's Magic. That alone would dictate who wins. There is a reason why the Demiurge originated from WANDA's Will to conceive a child which is destined to become the Demiurge. It explains why Wiccan has power to birth eldergods in the future. Since he has Wanda's PRIMORDIAL CHAOS(Chaos Magic) Everything Wanda has will be what Wiccan has. Every feat Wanda takes now, will be relevant to Wiccan's Future. Same with what Wiccan can do, relative to What Wanda can do. Since WICCAN & The ScarletWitch's Magic is THE SAME

[@howaboutdabans357]

Lmao Wiccan is gonna rewrite all the laws of magic. His source, be it chaos or whatever is largely irrelevant

[@oceanicfiction]

@@howaboutdabans357magic has been retconned to be lawless.

[@howaboutdabans357]

@@oceanicfiction and ? That’s largely irrelevant. The demiurge is the arcane magician, the sorcerer supreme amongst sorcerer supremes and all divine and physical phenomena are under his jurisdiction

[@oceanicfiction]

@@howaboutdabans357 it’s not. Magic is literally lawless, hence you cannot “change the laws” of something that doesn’t have laws. And for correction, the scarlet witch is the focal point of all mystical energies and all magics are aspects of chaos magic or just put simply “chaos” along with everything else in Marvel. Wiccan is also an aspect of her power

[@sammiejaeyoung1316]

But eventually Wiccan will have both sides of the cosmic magics, Order as well as Chaos, where Wanda is the premier wielder of Chaos Magic. Wiccan is destined to be MORE. Wanda is not and never will be ALL POWERFUL but Wiccan WILL BE.

[@theprez5242]

Wiccan is confirmed🤟

[@MrGoobermania]

Incredible edit! I'm hyped for more Wiccan

[@deanmarljulescurtina3200]

You have to re-scale Wanda. She went up against a universal concept and is an agent of another. Billy is not more powerful than his mother.

[@sazude2]

He's just really a normie to be quite honest with you, so a lot of his ideas on powerscaling isn't good nor true.

[@MatchaxTea21]

The watcher literally said that the children of the nexus being (which is wanda) will be much more powerful than their parents

[@deanmarljulescurtina3200]

@@MatchaxTea21 read current runs!

[@sazude2]

@MatchaxTea21 It wasn't the watcher who said that and it wasn't actually stated that he was more powerful than her.

[@MatchaxTea21]

@@sazude2 my bad its not the watcher but the time keepers....

[@TheWeakest26]

This is what I’ve been waiting for. Rob explaining how powerful Billy actually is.

[@coop3195]

Great telling of the story. I feel like the pieces are there for the MCU to set Wiccan up to be a main part.

[@Gaberille]

I’ve been waiting for this for years….

[@sazude2]

Ikr! Like Rob HARDLY wants to bring characters like Wanda or Billy into the fray.

[@Gaberille]

@@sazude2 right!!!

[@hadrianhexe9603]

I KNOWWW

[@xoxide1017]

For someone whom never knew about these side stores at all for some reason growing up or as an adult.. I LOVE Wiccan and tommy billy and how this is a new arch for me.. the actor are just beyond amazing and the fact that there are so many social issues being recognized along with resolving is just mind blowing

[@1slummzzs]

Been waiting for this ❤

[@muigokublack6487]

It was already leaked by Marvel that it's Billy aka Wiccan.

[@timsartistic7328]

It feels like the Disney Series setup basically that William Kaplan died in the car accident caused by the fall of Wanda's Spell over Westview and her Magical Son's Soul was cast into the body of a dead Kaplan and magically healed the body but lost all his memory of his previous life and didn't know who he truly was.

[@letemknowdae]

As for the end of the video question Base Wanda vs Base Wiccan, Base Wanda would most likely win, to elaborate one of her biggest feats in base is reality warping the multiverse for Wiccan to accomplish something on that scale he would need to tap into the Demiurge, which wouldn’t be considered his base at that point.

[@sazude2]

Correct.. well.. some people would debate if it's her base even tho I think the life force is her power. Other than that the reason why she is powerful in base is because she defeated a cosmic being recently. Not entirely by herself but almost entirely by herself and by her power.

[@StarlightXvoid]

Actually, if you read the that comic, you would know that Wiccan, when he transformed to that Demiurge state, wasn’t actually anywhere near his full powers as the Demiurge. him rewriting the past, present, and future, and erasing the cosmic Parasite, Mother, and walking on all of reality and editing it with ease was actually more of a warm up for him. And he was doing that without having access to his full Demiurge powers.

[@sazude2]

@@letemknowdae People need to play with these witches!! xD

[@hadrianhexe9603]

@@sazude2 They gone learn soon, don't worry. Witches are top tier.

[@hadrianhexe9603]

Yeah, i think it's a thing of, at base Wanda is stronger but Billy is gonna outscale her eventually.

[@melteddragon3174]

I was so confused on how a 11 day old video had a thumbnail from Ep 5. But I guess he changed it. Sneaky Rob

[@awaisahmed9418]

Can we have a vid on Theodore Altman . Hes a Hybrid Skrull and Kree being and his existence resulted in a treaty between the 2 waring factions. He's also tied in with Wikan .

[@atrece1313]

that split second when you hit search... and hope that guy with the deep voice has a video on Wiccan... Then the happiness that's sets whe it's 1 day ago and from the man himself 🎉❤😂

[@MrIrdatlan]

HES THE ONE I WAS THINKING OF!!! BRUH the twink in the "Agatha All Along" show is This dude right here, for sure.

[@allymofo2332]

lmao joe locke is def a twink but u said that with ur whole ass chest lol

[@MrIrdatlan]

@@allymofo2332 i am so much of a man, every other guy on the planet is a woman compared to me. Jk, but he is just a twink.

[@sazude2]

The fact that you called Billy a twink is just.. so CUNT. 💅🏾

[@hadrianhexe9603]

@@allymofo2332 I mean they aint wrong

[@incadeptus]

Twink :D

[@spencerdismuke8700]

I love how Rob explains Kang every time he comes up in a story 😂

[@sillyhistory7401]

Amazing video as usual!

[@Vikas-x8v8r]

Steve Orlando (scarlet witch comic writer) said in a interview that scarlet witch has true free will in the multiverse . She has no strings, she is not a puppet of any agent of chaos/order. She is beyond the rules and fundamentals of cosmos . Also chthon didn't creat chaos magic it existed from the beginning. Chaos magic is not just a magic it is the primordial chaos which is required for all magic to exist. It is first building blocks of reality, life. It has the infinite possibilities. It is primodial glint of happenstance and many more. When the griever who is the ending of all things even concepts, cosmic entity can't erase wanda from existence then i don't think Wiccan can.

[@PsiButterfly1995]

Billy IS the Demiurge. He isn’t tapping into the power. He IS the power.

[@ChillQuest992]

U should cover the children’s crusade

[@toxikbott]

I love this channel so much 😊

[@tichymusicrecords]

Hey Rob how are you,been a while since i have been here. i hope everyone is also doing awesome great video ❤

[@bentley-mk1pp]

Would love if you did a giant young avengers breakdown video!

[@tylerlarson7263]

Billy Kaplan wanted to see if Agatha Harkness could be redeemed but he was wrong. Agatha is born evil because all she wants is power. Billy had the right to banish her and the other witches. Now it's time for Wiccan to be the Young Avenger he is meant to be.

[@CamronAlderan]

2020 he already knew

[@jiffypoo5029]

I'm pretty sure Wanda and Billy have identical baseline powers and both use/steal power from Old Gods. Billy is more powerful than Wanda because Demiurge is significantly more powerful than Chthon.

[@sazude2]

Hmmm naaahhh, this has been retconned. Wanda is basically the living darkhold and chaos magic isn't created from Chthon AND Wanda has grown immensely in the craft. I say base Wanda is stronger than base Wiccan and at their peak, they are more or less equal with Wiccan having a slight edge.

[@jiffypoo5029]

@@sazude2 Yeah, I'm not going to dispute you. Wanda's power level is hard to keep track of. Both Wanda and Billy are multiversal level powerhouses.

[@sazude2]

@@jiffypoo5029 Well Aum . I wasn't actually trying to dispute either. And it's not been hard to keep track off cause the comics are there, and it's been steadily rising for quite a few years now. I agree, both are multiversal, actually outerversal. Wanda and Wiccan are my 2 most favorite marvel characters.

[@AntiKaiMatic]

​@@sazude2And is still below Billy LOL.

[@sazude2]

@@AntiKaiMatic Nope, you're incorrect.

[@coreyjones5609]

Thank you

[@Wes-xk6hl]

Just like a girl to swear that the kids are totally visions when everyone else is like "yea cool, but thats literally impossible"

[@Tiiesto_M]

That Captain America video PLEASE...

[@Duh_D_Rexx]

Fun Fact: So after Allan Heinberg left Young Avengers & Marvel to write for Grey’s Anatomy, Marvel created Young Avengers Presents as a way to find a new writer & new artist (Jim Cheung also left) to figure out who would take over. This ended up not working out, they used some of them to make the Young Avengers Crossover Comics with Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, & Siege. Then Jim & Allan returned momentarily for Children’s Crusade before leaving again & Kieron Gillen, Jamie McKelvie, & Mike Norton.

[@pwpresents5660]

Children’s crusade is one of my favorite stories out of marvel. And I’ll be disappointed if the MCU doesn’t adapt it for their universe, because they’ve lined up basically everything they’d need for it already. It would be the perfect Young Avengers movie.

[@randomgeekcrap]

You posted this a week before Agatha ep 5 ok thats so raven 😂

[@CHARLESJOHNSON-gv7zy]

'I BE STUNTIN LIKE MY MOMMA' - WICCAN

[@hadrianhexe9603]

We love to see it

[@zakhm05]

Have you covered the children's crusade yet?

[@normal6483]

16:50 There is a *major* misconception here. What's being described in the video is not the Demiurge, but the Demogorge. The Demiurge is the father of Atum/Demogorge, as well as all of the other old gods like Gaea, Oshtur, and Cthon. The Demiurge is also the sentient collective mind of the Earth's biosphere, meaning Billy is the source of the Old Gods and is connected to all life on Earth. Speaking of which, the comics have gone back and forth on whether or not Billy is that particular Demiurge or is just a new spellcaster who will have the same power as it. A Thor comic called him "The Demiurge to Come" as if he were a new Demiurge coming forth, but that Dormammu comic had Dormammu call him the same Demiurge just folded and squeezed into a human body.

[@TCG237]

good timing

[@thehuntsman8341]

Wiccan isn't stronger than Wanda right now, but once he unlocks his true potential as the Demiurge, he'll surpass the Scarlet Witch by far. The Demiurge created the elder gods.

[@WandaMaximo]

Current scarlet witch scales far beyond even the most powerful elder god as well as the demiurge, no version of wiccan would be able to surpass his mother as shes the prime nexus whom also used primordial chaos.

[@thehuntsman8341]

@WandaMaximo the Scarlet Witch is not more powerful than the Elder gods. Where are you getting this from? Even if she was, the Demiurge far surpasses the elder gods. We are talking about WPOTC or Franklin Richards' level being. The Demiurge is an outerversal who literally writes the rules of magic. Wiccan will be more powerful than Wanda. It's a fact.

[@Tecnofanbooy]

he is literally not the demiurge that created the elder gods AKA ( the demiurge primordial ) he is a far lesser aspect meant to exist in every universe.......READ IMMORTAL THOR 8

[@WandaMaximo]

@@thehuntsman8341 if you genuinely believe franklin richards or the elder gods are above current scarlet witch you know nothing about her character…. She just beat the griever whom one shot both molecule man as well as franklin, it was also stated she is the only being in all of existance that defies toaas grand design and is the only one with true freedom meaning she surpasses any form of plot manipulation, etc.

[@WandaMaximo]

@@thehuntsman8341 wandas current character is using primordial chaos aswell, not magic. Primordial chaos is what was used by toaa to bring all of creation into existence meaning it defies all characters including that of the demiurge :) please read up on her character more before making claims.

[@thomaswhaley9799]

I’m looking for the video with Vision and Wanda goes on Maury to find out who the father is. LOL

[@antwan1357]

I would make the debate that franklin richars and mepohisto are the duo fathers of wanda's children.

[@titolove6895]

New Comics Explained video?......son of a gun 🔫 I'm in 😎👍

[@bradleycragerII]

Can you do an extensive report on Nightmare and how they could tie him into the MCU ?

[@carrier7676]

Rod, when are you going to do Averngers: disassembled ? Still waiting on that videos siñor!

[@taypar]

Thank you 😩!

[@dovahkoda]

Thanks rob 🎉

[@craigwhitley1529]

We already know it's Billy/Wiccan, because the subtitles in the trailer revealed it as well as the toys... The toys have also revealed who Aubrey Plaza's character really is, and while I won't spoil it for folks who are watching the show(I'm not) I'm really surprised they are including this cosmic abstract type of character in a D+ show and how they're going to pull it off.

[@jhinwick5251]

Damn I just figured out who she is, that was so easy to tell how you typed it out 💀💀💀

[@sazude2]

​@@jhinwick5251So basically this person was still trying to spoil it. 🙄

[@abrawolf]

The show is actually pretty good, but that's just me

[@sazude2]

@@abrawolf Saaame! xD

[@dredre999]

11:00 my favorite comic is children crusade . Also Wiccan has always been my favorite hero

[@Angellance7]

I think Billy hints to be more powerful, but it's like we ain't there yet 😅 Also Rob, could you cover some of the penguin show and talk about like where could it be headed and what characters it may introduce? 👀

[@jacobharris954]

Scarlett is more powerful All she needs is a shoe and a stare and Billy is folding Know one in there right mind is challenging there own mom to fight😂😂

[@ushijimawakatoshi1429]

"You challenge me into a fight? How about I spank you because of that foolishness?" LOL

[@Alaris_]

She is only more powerful than him when he is in his base form.

[@Trust_No_001]

The Demiurge far outclasses the Scarlet Witch.

[@ashencombine]

@@Trust_No_001 Lol, tell me you havent read any books about Scarlet Witch without telling me.

[@nyes4596]

​@@Alaris_ Isn't the Scarlet Witch and Pietro the only being in the multiverse outside of TOAA's grabs design?

[@jujuyamaguchi5994]

Thank you

[@Mizari27]

ItsSuperEffective aka Duke or Faust was one recommended you to read young avengers

[@sazude2]

I wish he came back and did more videos.

[@Mizari27]

@@sazude2 me too but Duke never actually continue young avenger after avenger disamble era so he probably lost interest in comic's

[@asoroseraitv]

“But I mean like.. he’s a robot tho..”

[@Abaddon3016]

Oh if only they knew how normal that would be in the future 😂

[@317cmrogers]

😂😂😂

[@Uatu-the-Watcher]

I’d side with Wanda. Her underlying mutant probability power always throws a chaotic twist to everything.

[@sazude2]

She isn't a mutant. She's just a witch.

[@ThorGoatinson]

I agree completely, but like the comment above, she's just the choas witch and nexus being of 616, not a mutant.

[@Uatu-the-Watcher]

@@ThorGoatinson I’ve a feeling it’ll be changed back.

[@ThorGoatinson]

@Uatu-the-Watcher You might be right with them adding mutants to the mcu and they may want to have it be that way in the mcu and reflect it in the comics, but for now it is what it is and since they are different sources all together they probably won't retcon it back and just do their own adaptation where Wanda meets Magneto and Maybe my boy Pietro comes back but it turns out after a while like in the comics they aren't really related ,but that's just my speculation should what you said come to pass.

[@Uatu-the-Watcher]

@@ThorGoatinson Nice summary. :-)

[@FAD4LIFE94]

Clearly Quicksilver is the father. She yoinked them out of the Ultimate Wanda's womb.

[@Igivegdparent]

has billy and tommy interacted with their aunt, uncle and grandpa yet?

[@vatazes]

I don't think they've interacted with Polaris yet, but the Children's Crusade starts off with Magneto asking the boys for help in finding Wanda, and while searching for her, they run into Pietro (well, he runs into them 😂). Pietro is a mainstay in the boys' lives as much as he can (kinda hard when Billy lives in space). Ever since the retcon that should never have happened, Magneto hasn't been around them, or Luna, for that matter. Which is a shame. They should retcon the retcon, and have a huge family reunion. Just like any family. Tommy and Polaris will defend the patriarch of the family, Billy and Teddy will stay on the sidelines with Luna, Wanda will hold Pietro back until she feels she has to add her two cents, which will spark Polaris to add hers, and Tommy will give up. The typical House of M family reunion 😂❤

[@Igivegdparent]

@@vatazes thankyou for responding i will have to search up the crusades storyline

[@vatazes]

@Igivegdparent It’s one of my favorites. And one of the last times we see father and son not at each other’s throats, even though Pietro is distrustful of his father.

[@Igivegdparent]

@@vatazes ok in definitely going to check it out now Hopefully Rob covered it on this channel or else I will find another again thankyou so much for responding

[@sazude2]

​@@vatazesWell actually, you need to read trials of magneto. And possibly scarlet witch 2024.

[@TinTinBx]

I hope Billy is looking for his Brother as the plot twist in Agatha All Along And not scarlet witch ( yet ) Would be nice There twins so he feels empty or what not

[@wolfwraith8172]

I think Billy has electric powers in addition to his inherited sorcery because Vision is his father no?

[@knifekirby]

It would’ve been better if speed had electric powers that make him go fast cuz super speed only goes so far.

[@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462]

I wish that Marvel makes other hell lords aside from Maphesto because, as cool of a character that Maphesto is, I feel like he is too used when it comes to the hell and demonic landscape and story, because Maphesto is played up as "The Devil," and Maphesto is *NOT* "The Devil," his is JUST a hell lord. I know that there are other hell lords or underworld rulers like Hades and Hela and Satanish and other hell lords, but they are not as prominent or used in Marvel stories as Maphesto. Hela might mainly appear in Thor comics or in some appearances like in the Carnage story when Carnage started his journey to become a God to kill Venom, but she is usually a Thor villain who could be an Avengers Level Threat, but she usually doesn't. But Maphesto is always a big threat, like in the multiversal story with a bunch of variants of Maphesto called The Council of Red. As well as in stories with Ghost Rider. I like Maphesto, but I feel like he is used too much, and he takes too much shine. I want them to make more hell lords and use more hell lords as big threats and give them some shine to not make hell and taking souls and all of that demonic stuff just Maphesto's thing.

[@sazude2]

Im realizing A LOT of comic or animated or movie fans dont know about the family story of wanda and wiccan. 😂

[@FarookKMOON]

I didn't read anything after the Young Avengers vs "Mom" so I wasn't caught on what happnes laster I also know that these a time line where he is The new Sorcerer Supreme witch is so cool. Thanks for explaning some of the things that happned later with his character I might look these up and read them. And at base for Wanda is stronger I think but when both are emped I thing he becomes stronger

[@Bottera82]

Rob did you do a video on Children's Crusade?

[@vergilrules1616]

Beyond omega level: The Divine Creator

[@saltidog86]

Hmmmm….I wonder who the father could be….Billy runs fast….Quicksilver runs fast….maybe Wanda forgot more than she thinks.

[@ApplePie-hv8lh]

Sweet home Alabama!

[@KOFNY]

*The Ultimate Universe would like to know your location*

[@ushijimawakatoshi1429]

It's also kinda creepy that in the darkest part of my mind, some of his actions made me think Quicksilver has a bit of sister-complex in some version in the comics.

[@KOFNY]

@@ushijimawakatoshi1429 If it was an anime he definitely would

[@chrisgodfrey1880]

Love a breakdown on Wiccan as in the comics he is a great character. But to say that a bunch of peoplr were asking for this video is a stretch, i saw a single comment on 2 videos over the last 2 weeks even mentioning it lol. Still here for it though, the comic version is great!

[@ThorGoatinson]

Yea, it was a stretch and blatant lie to say many people were asking for this video because the truth of the matter is that many people don't like nor care enough about the young Avengers, Wiccan, Hulkling and speed as well as the rest of them outside of seeing kid Loki leading into the God of Stories Loki story arc and Asgardians of the Galaxy which is why their stories were canceled and the young avengers cast never lasted long in series and was kinda forgotten, only appearing here or there every now and then.

[@chrisgodfrey1880]

@@ThorGoatinson It's like Rob is trying alone to dredge up interest in people watching Agatha so he isn't alone🤣

[@ThorGoatinson]

@chrisgodfrey1880 💯 that's all there is to it. He does that a lot, lol.

[@chrisgodfrey1880]

@ThorGoatinson I honestly tried to watch the first 3 episodes, but I don't think I can do it for the whole season. The writing in this show is just bad. It isn't like it just isn't for my demographic, it is legit another Disney show where the writing makes very little sense. And not a single character is likable, it's more a contest of who I hate the least lol. Shame such a great character like Wiccan had to be reduced to his first major appearance being this. Plus the actor made a lot of rude comments about fans during their press tour, doesn't make me want to see more of him. But Rob has a job to do, so he's probably stuck for the whole show even if he doesn't actually like it lol.

[@AntiKaiMatic]

​@@chrisgodfrey1880And there's nothing wrong with that it's a good show

[@Bobby_Duncan]

Wiccan do this guys like the video

[@ushijimawakatoshi1429]

Also it's crazy to think that when he basically had a walk across multiverses to dispell the 'Mother' from existence, it's not even Demiurge's full power. Wiccan only tapped and used portion of its power and became "Semiurge" as Loki puts it. So him doing this is just a walk in the park kinda thing.

[@sazude2]

His full power is high outerversal

[@mattstyles2498]

No. No we haven't I been wanting u to cover new comics as they repease

[@BathwaterBender]

Hmm? No, it's definitely Agatha's son, those runes are her specialty. I think we'll see Meohisto or at least hear something from him in the show.

[@flightkidd123]

Bruh i almost forgot all about him, I thought he cool from a character design

[@LuisCastillo-tg6xw]

Lost track of Wiccan after the first civil war but I'm glad he is back. I would say Scarlett Witch may win just by experience more than raw power

[@dwightbaldwin5500]

Great video, Rob. You’ve stated a few times that Cytorrak is an elder god but I don’t think I’ve ever seen that referenced. Do you have a source for that or is it conjecture?

[@kingsora3087]

YES THANK YOU ROB!!!!

[@stilloading5652]

Tommy should get a visions body to protect from projectiles

[@blakeholton543]

You seem to have gotten Demogorge and Demiurge confused. The Demiurge was the entity that created Gaia and all of the Elder Gods. Demogorge was the entity that drove the Elder Gods off from the earth. Billy is the next Demiurge. He doesn't really have any relation to Demogorge (Atum) beyond the fact that I guess he's technically Demogorge's father. The Demiurge Primordial and Gaia had him specifically to counter the mad Elder Gods.

[@user-nl9rt2kd3o]

Can u do absolute Batman??? I’m reading thru it and it’s great

[@davidesterley3163]

Just checking up on you, Rob. I pray all is well

[@ItsaLaz]

Also minor points to add, but in Avengers Forever it's stated the Vision & Scarlett Witch's children were 'destined' to grow powerful enough to challenge Eternity, so Immortus helped manipulate the timestream so they'd no longer exist. Didn't take.

[@ushijimawakatoshi1429]

LOL. YEAH. They really made her fall in love with a robot so she wouldn't have to concieve and see what it came into HAHAHA

[@LeAndre_McCoy]

13:50 Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

[@ChristopherG1990]

Dormammu: Wiccan! I’ve come to bargai….wait how did I end up here?