Marvel Rivals Hela & Hawkeye NERFS Incoming: Season 1 Update!

[@tiger7892]

I think Season 0 should've had no seasonal buffs so we could get used to all the characters at their base levels first

[@johnjone965]

That would've made sense. Cuz now them going to regular it's like a nerf instead of a return to normal

[@lifeisgoodnatur3626]

Idek if seasonal buffs are the way to go, they seem like they'll feel kinda bad. :(

[@demifolk8940]

@@lifeisgoodnatur3626no they definitely are awful, its supposed to be an incentive for the anchors in teamups but are completely pointless when they’re permanently active. such a stupid mechanic

[@richardespinoza9989]

Exactly what Ive been saying, so many people swear hero bans is the way to balance the game. For all we know, hela and hawkeye are mid tier heroes without the 20% damage boost.

[@NathanielHenry-g8g]

Nah u tripping it’s needed to have some type of stomping character

[@Chichimoco420]

Hulk losing the 150 hp next season will be brutal

[@DyLemmaOG]

It's a way to shake up the game without actually patching the game

[@Chichimoco420]

@@DyLemmaOG it’s still gonna be brutal for tanks lol

[@podimegwu12]

@@DyLemmaOGit’s a lazy way of balance that funny enough doesn’t even balance but makes the game even more unbalance

[@dartiswright4925]

@@podimegwu12 doubt. it allows for small tweaks if some is VERY under preforming.

[@ArmedandDangerous918]

@@DyLemmaOGit’s a way to artificially change the meta so everyone will be forced to change mains and buy their skins over and over again

[@Foodknight]

I dont understand why the season buffs exist because i feel like seasonal balance patches effectively do the same thing.

[@bebemax95]

The anchor heroes of Team-Up abilities get the seasonal buff. So that way they get something instead of nothing

[@EldritchUniverse]

It exists to encourage people to pick those heroes which then provide strong(ish) team-up abilities to other heroes. IMO the devs should lean even more into that since done right it could encourage people to play more tanks and supports. I already see people pick Adam Warlock if they have a Mantis or Starlord so that they can self-rezz or people picking Hulk with an Iron Man so he can melt the lobby. And these characters in return get their strong, passive bonuses. I'm just concerned if some of these characters lose these bonuses, gain nothing in return and then feel weak to play. The biggest upside of Marvel Rivals so far is the fact that every hero feels strong and viable in his or her own right.

[@Daakunesu]

it just means within any given season theyre going to choose whos pick or ban. i hope theres some level of actual balance changes coming.

[@mianyberget3707]

@@bebemax95no, I play venom and he has 800 health no matter the team ups so it’s a permanent buff for the season and not based on team ups

[@bebemax95]

@@mianyberget3707 Venom is the Team-Up Anchor for Spiderman. Its not a permanent buff. Venom only gets +150 health this season. It could go away next season if the devs decide to remove it.

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

Honestly magik could use a buff she is good as is but without the 15% damage she is going to suffer

[@wever4873]

One of the best caracter in the game

[@itsbdot]

@@wever4873tweaking she’s middle of the pack or just Good . Most do what she does 10 times easier . She’s 10/10 for enjoyment tho

[@wever4873]

@@itsbdot she give almost the same pressur against tank as a logang but with more escape and a lot of overshield on auto attack abd top of being a great supp assisin, thing logan dont have beside a gigantic 80sec cd passiv. most of the first top1 players to access there rank was bc of her or hella at the launch of the game ther is many terribly bad caracter in the game, magik is not of the ones we should talk at all. not being at the moment OMEGA busted doesnt mean she need of will need a buff lol even with a 15% dmg nerf be she will still 2hit most squishy in the game on ult

[@bobothebob4716]

she is literally immortal and has self healing and has no need to aim and has overhealth, and generates shields -- wtf are you on?

[@GhengisJohn]

​@@bobothebob4716 "Literally immortal" You are not a serious person. It sucks having to discuss anything when people like you start throwing hyperbole around and absolutely believe it. She's heavily reliant on skill shots and her shields aren't enough to really keep up with damage if you or your team mates can aim. I'm going to give you some advice on how to deal with her if you can’t aim, which it really sounds like. Pick Ironfist. He's fantastic in 1v1's and his auto attack locks on. You can wallop Magik as long as you have your chi-empowered Jojo punches available. If you guard when she pops you up that's going to be most of her damage because they often will go ham on cooldowns if they landed that. Go have fun. ​@wever4873 She is more or less on the level of Psylocke and the Punisher who have no seasonal buff. Without it she'd probably be stomped by them regularly.

[@noobbrosif]

"Magneto's the only mutant" Wolverine: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@elnekosauce]

Magik: Are WE?

[@GiggaGMikeE]

Spiderman: Errr, umm... yeah, dont forget us...

[@jakemoore5077]

Magneto, wolverine, storm, magik, scarlet

[@newworld123]

​@@GiggaGMikeEErm Spiderman's not a mutant dude....

[@rachetmarvel931]

​@@jakemoore5077 And Namor,Marvel's first Mutant.

[@twebb5896]

A lot of people were walking on these crutches and they’re gonna tumble to the ground 💀💀💀

[@little_error295]

Or they’ll just swap next season to the next buff ??? Think for a second you’ll be able to say this literally every season

[@Moonveil69]

🤣🤣🤣

[@twebb5896]

@@little_error295 found the salty Hawkeye main lol

[@little_error295]

@ I’ve literally not played Hawkeye even once and Hawkeye will be least affected by this he still one shots 😭 do you not even watch the video you comment on

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

As if people aren't just gonna keep playing meta and just move to the next op thing People are always gonna just play the strongest thing

[@Centurion2043]

It's season 0 so I'm assuming devs added seasonal buff to characters they thought needed a push, if it breaks numbers/ underperforms they would probably leave or tweak the numbers to keep them playable.

[@demifolk8940]

no, they’re on heroes that are “anchors” in teamups. Look thru all of them, every single one is a person in teamups that gets “nothing”.

[@aratherlargerodent]

Ain't no way they thought Hawkeye needed a push. And Rocket only gets +5% healing?

[@Centurion2043]

@@aratherlargerodent again it's season 0 most weren't using hawk eye at the start

[@ItsHooDie]

They are numbers/ buffs that are going to change every couple of months this means you change who you play and more characters get exposure after falling off. This is the same as any other meta with the dev just changing 1 mechanic essentially rather then change numbers of 1500 abilities only to rind out it was a season buff not the character. This is the biggest brain way to balance a game and keep it fresh. POE has this “new mechanics every season” is what 100 percent keeps people playing and coming back

[@GhengisJohn]

I hope this is just their way of testing balance. Honestly, Magik and Luna need the buffs they've got. Magik doesn't run away with lobbies like Hela and Hawkeye with her buff, it just brings her up to parity with characters like Psylocke and the Punisher, same for Luna with Mantis and even then Mantis is better.

[@romaiiika88]

Hela and magik are not comparable. I'm picking Magik(she's my main character) and trying to do something and it doesn't work against enemy tanks or backline for some reason then if it works enemy swaps for iron man or something and hunt me down as soon as I show up and Magik can't do shit about it. On the other hand I can just pick Hela and deal with all shit enemies doing. I can destroy everything on my way, kill divers, strategists, tanks - it doesn't matter. I'm pretty bad at shooting but still got 2x more value universally and with unreasonably low risk. I have CC, I have crazy two shot potential, I have an invincible bird and ult to also save me and kill all the enemies. For some reason Hela even has more HP than Magik which is absurd compared to risks both characters take and their usability in different situations. Hela is a boss character that is capable of doing everything with low risk, she can decide the game by just having decent aim and pressing left click on every opponent you see. Magik is a squishy brawler and a bit of assassin that has to be very careful on her position, teammates, cooldowns and constantly swap from pressuring frontline and backline and taking inevitable risks, also she can't do shit about lots of characters that should be handled by other your teammates. If you want to compare these characters, Hela should be left without her season buff and get her attack speed lowered, maybe giving her more shots before reloading so she can constantly apply pressure to tanks and enemy strategists being safe, also her ult should kill her if her 1000 hp depletes during ult. Then you can give Magik like 50 more HP as she's a bruiser and give her a better hit box on her E(charge launching move) then remove her seasonal buff and let her portals be placed vertically. Then she will become a reliable bruiser character and assassin at the same time like wolverine but for sure better. Now you can compare these two as they both will get their role and they will both get weaknesses and ways to play safely and effectively. Sure, I can be too generous for Magik and you can call me a downplayer, but playing in plat 1 I can say that picking Magik I have more fun, but can do much less things that Hela allows to do and it's a bit disappointing. I play both characters regularly so that's my opinion on what would be a really nice patch on these two characters. I have no idea why I'm printing it at 1:20 am and I'm also sorry for my English

[@kushgod3069]

Black widow needs a massive buff

[@demifolk8940]

Luna does not need the buff what 😂

[@GhengisJohn]

@@romaiiika88 My point was they're not even comparable. How do you read my post saying she isn't OP like Hela and Hawkeye and think I'm saying that she is? Or are you just going like "I agree."?

[@GhengisJohn]

@demifolk8940 No no, is isn't that she's going to be buffed. She currently has a buff that she might not next season, we don't know how "seasonal buffs" work, that is what the video is about. I am saying she's good as she is.

[@FLoWxXxWoLF]

Please dont click bait with " nerfs " its better to say: seasonal buff reset for example. People might think Netease are making hero nerfs already instead of cycling seasonal buffs to other heroes.

[@TygerTyger911]

On one hand, I agree with you. But on the other hand, you do realize that click bait titles and thumbnails are a big part of how content creators make money, right? The KZbin algorithm rewards or punishes them in part based on those things.

[@stardarkk]

nah I disagree, technically it is a nerf, and the content creator still has to eat, copywriters wrote this thumbnail, it's their job. just like irl, " SAVE UP TO 50$" you need catchy or attention grabbing pitches

[@chrisr4066]

@@stardarkk Stop, it's important to have clear meaning between the distinction of things.

[@lukieq12]

You've only got so much space for a title my dude.

[@akaiYaMa9]

I was gonna say I clicked on this thinking the devs announced something, just to realize that "guys, you won't believe it but seasonal buffs are changing at the end of the season!" like the name didn't already imply that lol

[@OverwatchPlaysGames147]

I would love to be able to toggle the seasonal buffs on and off in the practice range, that way we can test character viability ahead of a season

[@Dimensiontrippr]

this would be great. this guy said something about removing seasonal buffs but i disagree solely for the facts that its obvious the devs are trying out hero buffs before making permanent changes and this also provides clarity to the community who isnt always looking at patch notes plus reassuring everyone that the buffs are in their testing phase.

[@IgorJCorrea]

Ngl those seasonal bonuses are just completely stupid, just do normal patch notes and don't reinvent the wheel, hela is op with the bonus, but magik is perfectly balanced and all other heroes should be balanced around her power level

[@epzo]

meh this game sucks anyway

[@Yamivenum]

@@epzo sucks lol

[@damianvaldez9390]

@@epzo you need to stop doing this. You do this in every Rivals video. You are an invalid. A hardcore OW defender. I know this because I can look at your past comments. Remember when you criticize Rivals, your beloved OW1.5 lied twice as much about their promises.

[@eduinzavala9462]

Make this guy a dev he knows best and all

[@warrior728]

@@epzo Maybe not game but you?

[@CrapsGoodxD]

I understand hella and hawkeye being nerfed, but magik come on. Even with the buff she is slightly above average, without it she is going to be horrible

[@PROGCANAL]

Above avarage? 😂😂😂 She spams the portals too much AND those Made her UNTOCHABLE + she can tank an entire team ... She Is picked a Lot in high rankeds

[@CrapsGoodxD]

@@PROGCANAL Play her at high rank, and you will see what I mean. She does nothing better another tank or ranged dps cannot do better, easier, and risk free

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

@@PROGCANALif your entire team is getting smoked by magik then you and your team are just trash

[@itsbdot]

@@PROGCANALI promise the problems you’re having with magik . A player of the same exact skill using BP, HELA- HAWKEYE-Psylock- fucking MOONNIGHT depending on the line up star lord and iron man . Are all easier or straight up better . Don’t get me started on mantis just 2-3 shotting WITH. A sleep . Magik is fun and balanced compared to the rest of the game

[@jaykay365]

It’s ok for some characters to be bad or weak

[@phatpat63]

It's a great system to keep things mixed up and fresh all the time, it shows that they're focusing on the mass majority of players, not the top 2% of ranked, which is exactly the correct way to handle things. Most people who are going to notice at all are clearly going to have a very shallow view of the whole system, but with a constant injection of new heroes it keeps the chaos factor high and may do a very good job keeping the game from crystalizing into a fixed meta, it gives the devs far more leeway to test out different changes and harvest data for tuning new characters as well as existing ones, and by deliberately keeping the game chaotic they're signaling to everyone that perfect comparative parody isn't the point of Rivals. It says that if being competitive is your priority, then you're going to be challenged to adapt and react to master the game rather than a single character, and for everyone else it says to relax and enjoy the game. It gives casuals who have a favorite playstyle the promise that they'll have their time in the sun sooner or later, and the chance to try out new characters with a bit of a handicap as a form of training wheels. I expect mostly moaning and complaining about it in the near term, but I think it might come to be seen as one of the smartest things they did with this game over the long term.

[@nattonep8788]

Some characters that are OP in Season 0 will be underwhelming in Season 1 and new characters will become OP.

[@joseph2000117]

Namor 25% damage boost😎

[@blackamericandestroyergod1957]

​@@joseph2000117are you Latino ? Like who's the usual Na-Morrrr mainer, you know?

[@joseph2000117]

@@blackamericandestroyergod1957 lol I love this comment. I was making a shitty joke but either tho I don't play namorrrr (rocket) I am Latino. Now I wanna know which races like which heroes lol

[@pat103196]

​@@blackamericandestroyergod1957 Dude Namor pops off especially if you are playing into a heavy dive comp like venom/spidey/bp/iron fist etc. Pop down your turrets in the backline and your healers will thank you. He can easily counter dive.

[@Lone1Wolf8]

so.. like the comics? lol

[@X--pv7kz]

Wolverine can actually tank up to 4 headshots from Hawkeye, depending on if he has both his passive and his dmg reduction online at the same time. Well technically 3-4 headshots depending on his rage as well.

[@smoke9047]

And if he’s getting hit by the rest of the team lmao

[@Bulot085]

​@@smoke9047 getting hit by the whole team wolverine aint gonna last a second without a passive😂

[@Kyle-ku9vu]

It's also an easy way to avoid disappointed over a underwhelming buff or any negative stigma a nerf would have

[@Dras7]

Wait those aren't team up bonuses, they are always on? WTF is the point of those then lol.

[@Octovol]

They're to incentivise the team up. only the heroes that dont benefit from the team up get these bonuses.

[@Latino_Burrito]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Octovolyeah but it still feels stupid. For example as a Spider-Man player, sometimes I can get a one shot combo, sometimes I can’t. Whenever I got a team up with a squirrel girl I got so happy because I thought by activating that team up it gave Spider-Man that 10% damage boost, to find out he’s ALWAYS HAD IT??? Just makes me realize he’s gonna suffer even more when it gets taken away. He already struggles enough to get burst damage especially with how strong healing is. So instead of making it a seasonal thing, it should be a permanent feature that gets activated everytime said team up gets activated. Yes you’re not wrong it’s there to incentivize team ups, but that doesn’t answer the question why does the anchor have the boost regardless if the team up is active or not?? Why is it SEASONAL??? Just make normal patch notes and adjust each character and fine tune them and make the anchor bonuses on team ups permanent on each anchor but ONLY active when said team up is activated. Cuz as I said before, at times Spider-Man already feels useless. So to know he feels useless when he’s already “buffed” is just making me depressed knowing how even more useless he’s gonna feel when that bonus is gone. In my opinion it doesn’t incentivize anything cuz if you’re already getting the boost then why even bother doing the team up?? If they wanna incentivize the team up, make it permanent for each anchor, but only when the team up… is ACTIVE!! Sorry I’m ranting a bit and it might sounds like mad at YOU in particular and I’m not lol you did nothing wrong. I’m just annoyed at the whole mechanic because the way it’s currently set up is so stupid. It annoys me.

[@joseph2000117]

Groot and hulk without that bonus health is going to be brutal

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

Alas, yet again my point as to why and how Tanks should have around 800 health in total. DPS should have at least 350 or 400 health. And Supports should have 250 or 300 health. At least then in terms of the health pool, it’ll be balanced in a way that neither parties can complain about getting KO’d too easily or KO’d ever so rarely.

[@x_HITB0X_x]

@@justaguyonyoutube4592DPS should not have that much health. They usually have some way to gain shield or very fast movement to supplement their low HP, same way Supports have health gain, but in a different manner.

[@justaguyonyoutube4592]

@ Oh? Like you can do any better?

[@OTCThermal]

Yep, as a Hulk fan, I can confirm this. I was looking at leaked footage for his new Punk Rock Skin on X, and I saw he had 650hp and I'm not really feeling it Mr. Krabs.

[@lav8183]

@@justaguyonyoutube4592 I’m very happy you aren’t balancing the game because the reason tanks have lots of health is because they need to tank dmg support and dps have no dependencies on health only tanks do

[@torrentarrow9097]

Imagine how bad wanda is gonna be when she loses her 10% damage buff she is going to be the worst hero in the game more so than she already is

[@TheGodlyGamerMugen]

Bro she’s extremely cheap auto lock aim bot and insta kill ult if she catches you she can also vanish mid battle and change positions easily

[@pat103196]

@@TheGodlyGamerMugen You can also just shoot her in her ult. She has low hp so is super quick to kill especially if you comm with your team, ping her, and get like 1-2 others to focus her. Sure insta-lock is definitely annoying, but most backliners have stun/sleep. Cloak and dagger you pop your bubble go cloak and delete her. Jeff hide and dodge then attack her when she swaps targets. Adam really should be with his team rather than backline imo anyways. Point is if you are playing correctly instead of getting caught out she can't really make a play. She is more so good at stomping noobs that get caught out.

[@Sanjixoxo]

Storm says hello

[@calibrated692]

⁠@@pat103196there is nothing you said that doesn’t apply to any of the other dps characters.

[@DragonGMB]

What? She is very OP if you use her skills while using the normal attack, I just drained half of Penny's health alone while using the main attack today, and if things get bad, I have an escape. I know some characters deal a lot more damage, but she is plays much safer than most of them. Most people just spam the main attack and forget about her skill that deals a lot of damage. But yeah, in higher ranks she is quite forgotten because there are better characters, however, she is not weak. But honestly, I feel like a waste of a character to give her a that kit, she is an extremely powerful witch, I ratter prefer a whole revamp on her than buffs on her kit.

[@jonathanortiz2037]

From what i notice the seasonal buffs are to the characters that have a team up but don’t benefit from it, like thor who gives buffs to cap and storm but he doesn’t get anything from the team up so he has a seasonal buff, same with wanda, she gets one bc her team up with magneto and he gets no seasonal buff. So that could mean that the team ups rotate each season and so do the buffs for the characters that don’t benefit from the team up

[@dookiemayne45]

Good catch

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

That could make a lot of sense.

[@lukea3072]

Rotating team ups actually sounds like a great idea

[@Trevan2412]

Magneto, Storm, Wolverine, Psylocke, Magik, and Squirrel Girl I believe, are all mutants. Scarlet Witch too depending on which version you're taking.

[@hadialkhalifa5688]

She is mostly depicted as a non-mutant Her powers are most like ancient magic

[@Trevan2412]

@@hadialkhalifa5688 I remember a show where she was 100% a mutant and basically had the same powers as her father, in contrast in the MCU she has nothing to do with the X-men

[@strawberrygemz2020]

It is weird, I'm just like what exactly is the point of this as opposed to just regular hero changes in the patch? ARE they ACTUALLY gonna balance the ones that need it whenever they lose the seasonal buff? We just don't know their intentions and it's kind of an annoying position to be in. I'm like, I love Magik more than 90% of the hero roster, but am I wasting my time practicing her if she's only gonna be seasonally playable? Like listen, I understand it might feel sometimes like she does great damage, but actually you have to be very tight with your ability use and melee animation cancels to actually be effective with her against someone with a baseline functioning brain and headphones. If she loses damage percent, she honestly might be trash tier

[@strawberrygemz2020]

Also I understand it's a casual game, but heroes being bad STILL makes the casual play shit, it definitely doesn't make you want to play them

[@joseph2000117]

Well said comment. I do think we should let them cook before we panic. If they f up them our pre-emptive concerns were valid

[@dexsamv6552]

can you bozos let the devs balance over time? like its season 0 and youre expecting the absolute peak gameplay for this game, people like you make devs pull their hair out. dont play if youre gonna complain about EVERYTHING

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

It's part of the team up system. Each team up has a "base" character that gives his abilities to the others. They are the ones getting the seasonal buffs, in exchange of not getting any new abilities from team ups. New season, new team ups, everyone either gets a team up ability or a stat boost.

[@GhengisJohn]

"Actually massive." *Zooms in on Magik's chest.* Lol, Stylosa. Cheeky. As a Magik fan I approve. Oh yeah Sty, Wolverine and Magik are also mutants/X-men.

[@ImPoStier]

Psylocke and Namor are also mutants

[@GhengisJohn]

@@ImPoStier As is squirrel girl.

[@ScottPorterback]

I always thought you had to have the team up to get the buffs 😭 Rip us Magik mains next season unless she gets a team up ability. I don’t think Magneto is an X-Man, sty. We got Magik and Wolverine along with Storm tho. And I wouldn’t mind for them to change it so you can only get buffs if you have the proper team up, they can change the tanks to have percentage increases to health instead of flat increases so you still have the same health if the team swaps. Idk! I just don’t want to do less damage as Magik lol

[@bihn]

I agree, it's going to suck if Magik loses damage. I would still going to play her, but my team is going to lose a lot more. Also, don't forget about Psylocke, she's one of the X-men too!

[@jaytpmc]

You do need the team ups to get the buffs this guy doesn't know what he's talking about

[@ElLacrita]

​You do not, you can just check it out with venom, same health with ot without team up... I'm diamond 3 btw so i know what im talking about ​@@jaytpmc

[@francoduran7079]

People complained about future nerfs, the director said they understand that feeling when a character you like gets nerfed and don´t feel the same play it, so their idea of buffs and nerfs was to give players the feeling of "oh their stronger because their powered, no because im nerfed", maybe season buff is that idea of balance. The season 0 its an open beta so we need time to se how they change or balance everything. Sorry if you cant´t understand me, english it´s not my native language.

[@Altic3]

Something a lot of people arent realizing for the aiming thing is that the character is aiming at the point the center of the screen is at, and if the line from your weapon to that point ends up hitting your target, well thats just how it happens. Ive been aiming abilities that can splash or go through people behind their heads instead of right at them. Thats because if i aim on them, it could cause the ability to aim too far to the side and miss the other targets. A good example is actually rockets healing orbs, theyll fly to the side and miss everyone else instead of the straight line if the character im aiming at is too close

[@hahaid2003]

I've always thought you need the corresponding hero to get the buff. That would make sense that way. But permanently buffed whole season? I'm not liking that

[@lav8183]

Yeah and why do the tanks only get extra hp for one season once the tanks lose that they are just going to get thrown into the gutter

[@TheAlreadybeentaken]

@@lav8183it’s to force meta diversity in each season, it’s basically a balance patch that you know is going to get reverted by the time the next season comes around i just don’t get why the game launched with these buffs already, i think it would have been better for the game to start with no buffs so the devs could collect data on who to give the seasonal buffs to in the next season

[@ThisIsAnte]

Magneto and Storm are the only Mutants? Wolverine, Psylocke, Magik, Namor: "Stylosa, you need to pickup a comic book!"

[@SaffronTheBat]

these numbers dont change as much as you think.

[@ianmccubbin7575]

My theory is that seasonal buffs are a way of devs testing the waters of a character to see whether they're strong with or without those numbers. The devs have made it clear they don't want to directly nerf characters, but pulling back seasonal buffs wouldn't be a "nerf" since it was just for this season (it's a psychological thing, as the devs have explained). Magik for example has a 15% damage increase, and even now people think she needs a buff. I see the seasonal buff going away and her getting at least a 15% damage boost, since that test proved to the devs that even the 15% might not be enough. Same thing for C&D and the other healers, I see them all retaining their healing boost since it seems pretty reasonable and not OP.

[@Veerorith]

I really feel like the anchor buff should be active only during a team up, or not at all. Its weird to have the base damage, hp, etc change, especially with breakpoints changing like how many headshots to kill, whether a hero can survive a specific ult, etc. Its not very clear compared to just patching a hero on occasion. And I feel like they're gonna mess with their own balance constantly, like yes hela is OP now but did she stay op because the devs thought to themselves "oh its temporary tho so no worries". How many more times are we gonna have a really OP, or really underpowered hero just stay there because the assumption is "they'll get a buff/lose a buff so they can just suffer in the meantime". Flat buffs distributed with a temporary system really just muddles base balance, and I think the base balance stuff should be clear and only changed when its clearly needed, rather than arbitrarily. The team up changes are a good way to encourage and change the meta, so why bother with the static flat buffs muddling stuff? And there might be cases where a team up gets left out not because of the team up itself but because the anchor is really strong and they don't want to buff them that season... It fucks with the base reasons to balance stuff, and it might make it a lot less clear to the playerbase.

[@faolon9343]

There are several Mutants in game other than Magneto and Storm. There's Psylocke, Wolverine, Magik, and Scarlet Witch. Squirrel Girl and Cloak and Dagger are all sometimes considered mutants, sometimes not, it's convoluted.

[@lilywong9672]

Scarlet Witch hasn't been a mutant since 2015.

[@dangerbeans9639]

I really like it. Having your favorite hero nerfed in Overwatch always felt so horrible because you didn’t know when or if they would ever get buffed again. But with the seasonal boosts you know it’s coming and it doesn’t feel as bad because it’s not a nerf per se, they’re just losing their seasonal bonus.

[@You-g8g6i]

I agree with you , it makes it more interesting this is the type of fun I like . I think ow players ruined ow especially content creators , let’s just let the devs cook, I like how crazy this is

[@joseph2000117]

​@@You-g8g6ii wholeheartedly agree with both. I like these refreshing optimistic takes. Lets allow the dev team time to cook

[@jackdaniels6531]

As a Magik main I’m oretty worried for next season but I won’t drop her from my arsenal because of how fun she is to play.

[@ThisIsAnte]

Seasonal boost is there to encourage use of Anchors for teamups, if anything it's a good way to know who's an anchor and who's not. We'll see how tuning will be in S1.

[@pspppe]

Its not a programming issue. If rocket switches after groot leaves spawn, groot should still lose 150hp. If hero switch then change buff. It is that easy.

[@CodeEleven_86]

I think he meant programming issue as bug/forgot to include it? Programmers often forgot small things like this, but it's netease so idk.

[@jinx4729]

If groot can lose the hp mid-game like that then he would get fucked if rocket player randomly switched at any point

[@juicyboi121]

@@jinx4729 could be implemented as a loss of total, not current hp. Could also be a slow ratchet down after the team up deactivates, like how groot's bonus shield decays over time rather than an instant loss of hp.

[@pspppe]

@@jinx4729 skill issue. Just pay attention to hp and play smart.

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

As it is currently, there is always one character with the seasonal buff in every team up, and he is the one who gives his power and does not get an ability. So, if the seasonal buffs change, I'm wondering, are we also getting new team up abilities next season?

[@KyhlTheWeaver]

I mean, I think it is also important to also look at it from the lense of while the current team-up anchors might lose their bonus, when their team-up rotates out, they might just end up being a part of a different team-up, where someone else is the anchor and they get to have some kind of new ability or passive bonus. Spiderman's team-up anchor bonus might be important to his viability now, but who is to say that he won't have a team-up with Ironman next season, where Ironman enhances his suit in somekind of way, perhaps making Spiderman more viable than ever before, if they are played together. I am not by any means defending the system (it is kinda stupid to force team comps like that), but I do think it is important to realize that if the anchors are going to change the heroes benefiting from team-ups are aswell.

[@KingCutCorn]

I think the idea is also to incentivise people to use the team up mechanic and pick those specific characters cause they look more appealing due to the seasonal buffs. The person who picks the other half of team ups, gets an active power up in exchange for the passive buff, thats a way they said they are keeping the team ups from feeling essential to gameplay but still feeling impactful. I agree on it all just being a test on a new look at seasonal balancing, but I think the right answer is having the buffs be active only when the team up is active; then going away immediately when one player switches ( the game already registers when it happens and has a pop up for it in game ) If that means tank losing health bonus in the middle of a fight, so be it. Teams should need to coordinate for team ups to be effective IMO

[@Raxus001]

Looking at Hawkeye's default stats on the site. I think there are two options to bring him to where he would be more healthy for the game: 1. Reduce headshot multiplier to 1.5x (like Psylocke). - Thus, max headshot does 160 x 1.5 = 240 2. Reduce the passive maximum from 80 dmg to 40 dmg. - Thus, max headshot does 120 x 2 = 240 Option 2 will ultimately make him much weaker than option 1. So they should just do option 1. Max body shots only doing 120 would make it much harder for him to defend himself.

[@TheContrarian09]

Theres no way to know if they’ll take them away until the next season starts, and we have a precedent. Hell, theres as much of a chance they’ll increase their numbers as they do of taking away/decreasing it. Edit: lmao. Easiest read of my life. Its just as simple as applying logic.

[@Ripley555]

I assumed the seasonal buffs were so they could change up the meta each season without making more permanent changes to the heroes. Kind of a good idea to keep things fresh. Granted some charters may need permanent buffs or nerfs but those would be handled separately.

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

They better not touch Magik until they address Hawkeye and Hela being broken. That’s some blizzard nonsense

[@mrsweetkandy7673]

But hawkexe and hela are also affected by this? They lose a bigger buff (not as big fir hawkeye but yeah)

[@fastlikeabearfitness5422]

How can you call it blizzard nonsense when they haven't even had a single balance patch yet? Take your overwatch baggage elsewhere.

[@kylecouture1917]

As a magik main, I've been worried about this since the launch. Her combos will not one shot like they SHOULD with less damage. Magik can't afford to do less damage. Shes probably the most balanced character in the game as she is. Just get rid of seasonal buffs all together. And don't take away any teamups. Just keep adding to the teamups.

[@guillaumeroussel8633]

As much as I love this game, the balance changes they devs are going to implement make no sense whatsoever to me. Magik is effectively getting her damage reduced by about 13% which will make her on the the lowest average dps characters in the game while you need to get up close and personal to deal damage. I just wish the devs could just accept the seasonal buffs are a garbage idea. Just make the seasonal buffs permanent for characters like Magik and tanks who are also getting hard nerfed because of this and remove them for the next seasons. I just hate that my two mains, Magik and Thor, are getting nerfed because of this dumb mechanic instead because actual balance reasons. I'm hoping content creators will start talking more about seasonal buffs some that they are finally removed from the game.

[@lav8183]

@@guillaumeroussel8633I play hulk venom and strange every time I play strange I get more value out of him if they take that hp away from the tanks they won’t even be played at all anymore because strange and magneto will be able to block more damage deal more damage and tank more damage than any other tanks

[@chrisofblades5167]

Magic is super broken wtf? She can two or three hit any DPS

[@jeslucas2515]

Forcing metas ironically kills games' overall potential. Competitively, it makes perfect sense. Pros are gonna pick the best regardless, so creating a meta forces variety there by rotating what the "best" is. For everything else, it kills variety and overall fun. Players ultimately feel useless against the meta created, or at the very least, feel like the things they want to play are so underwhelming, they lose interest in playing the game since they're constantly doing twice the work for the twice the reward. In all, knowing where to force metas is crucial. Just forcing metas for the sake of "creating variety" isn't going to have the same effect everywhere and will absolutely backfire if executed improperly.

[@CopShowGuy]

Spider-Man already takes a lot of work to secure a kill. Without that damage boost, he'll take even more work.

[@toxicom2229]

Without it literally all his main combos don’t kill

[@Sigma6987]

If done well, the idea of seasonal buffs aren't a bad way to gauge a character's performance. It can give them data they can use to tweak things. They're pretty clearly advertised to players in game, and we should remember that many people do not read patch notes either. Clearly listing that X or Y hero is stronger could draw more players to them, and it's nice to have that kind of stuff listed in game so you don't have a "should've read the patch notes" moment. It's kind of like an interactive patch note, for lack of a better way to put it. Like the buffs and nerfs (loss of seasonal buff) are gamified. Or it is just a way for them to diversify metas. I guess we'll see how they handle it when a seasonal buff either makes or breaks a character.

[@EthanG298]

20% damage boost is insane. If it was 5% or 10% you'd think okay fair enough, maybe put it on some less popular heroes like a squirrel girl to incentivise people to play her. But 20% on Hela and Hawkeye is kinda ridiculous

[@TheLordReginald615]

With the info given this means everyone who is losing a seasonal bonus will be gaining a team up extra ability. sounds like a way to distribute that extra power. scarlet may lose her 10% but who knows what ability she could gain with the right hero next season.

[@astrologikalmusic]

"magneto is the only of the x men in the game rn, oh wait storm" *ignores wolverine* Not only mutant either... *looks at magik*

[@LIF3ISTOOGOOD]

its ok lol sty needs to get his marvel lore updated

[@tka0079]

Also psylocke 😅

[@salvadorreyessanchez9827]

Scarlet Witch too

[@TallyWaXx]

X3 things. So the shots you made saying hit box is massive, you were super close, your shots come from you character toward you crosshair. And if something is in between the two you will hit that, (because third person is over the right shoulder) And Wolverine does have a passive that would help him survive sometimes. That’s why he survived your first headshot… but the second time his passive was on cooldown… Then again on Hawkeye, if headshot does 320. You would need to get rid of 20% to get the numbers. (256 would be damage minus the 20%) so you would in fact only one shot people with 250 health. Several dps have 300 as well. And they have this seasonal buff system so that they can just buff and nerf people more easily. Opposed to having to recode abilities and what not. You can just turn these on and off, it’s easier, more convenient and saves us from getting tons of extra bugs every patch. Every game changes up the meta. It really makes sense it’s no different. It’s an easier way to buff and nerf character without having to alter the characters fundamentally…

[@ziedsg1324]

The devs want to do things the way they like and not engage with the players when it comes to balancing. In the two previous patches they were all like: "This hero's damage was adjusted" without any details, they slide some buffs and nerfs secretly without even mentioning them in the patch notes. They said they won't nerd heroes, they'd rather buff other heroes to balance things which is nonsense. So i think they added this mechanic as a way to balance heroes without having to justify themselves, also as you said to buff the heroes that will be getting new skins without having to justify it and get that sweet money, so they make the seasonal buffs are completely random

[@geni_fetahu]

I like the seasonal buffs cuz they are a way for devs to experiment with buffs without the fears that the buffs wont go away in case they are broken like we do in overwatch.

[@ishnu7988]

I agree it just depends on how they manage the hero once the season buff is gone. I hope they keep some of them base kit and don’t just take it away from the underperforming heros

[@thecrabdealer6010]

The way I always interpreted this system was that we’d have the buffs on all the heroes for whatever reason season 0 but season 1 and onwards would lock these buffs behind having the team up active. I think the buffs would just vanish (non filled HP first) since the abilities vanish pretty nicely

[@11679MRT]

I like the system of rotating buffs and team up abilities. Maybe your favorite character loses a buff next season but maybe they gain a team-up ability - I think it makes it something to look forward to

[@theepicgameboss]

Hela fs is the one who benefits the most from the dmg amp, it turns her 70 dmg blades into 75+ dmg blades which means she 3 shots 250 hp and 2 headshots them when it should be 4 and 3 respectively.

[@ecci0261]

I like how volatile the Meta is. Like every season they can add new Synergies and Seasonal Boosts to completely shake up who is good or not. And then when one character is good, other characters that compliment them are too.

[@lav8183]

Having the devs decide the meta is what kills lots of these games the meta should be chosen by the players

[@itsraelix]

There is kind of an upside to having seasonal buffs like these. If you tell players characters are going to only be so strong for x amount of time, while it might feel bad to have your super strong character get weaker. It doesn't feel quiet as bad as learning a character only to have it gutted once you start getting good. Kinda feel like it is just a way to keep the meta shifting consistently. There are so many heroes that there are tons of people who are going to find characters they love playing but aren't great. It is interesting to think that hey this character is probably going to get a decent buff soon. As opposed to every other game out there where we just hope that they make a struggling character we like better.

[@warlock3691]

@5:19 My Thor's always been at 700 health. I don't think the seasonal bonus hits until you're in a real game.

[@B52BoomStick]

I had no idea this is how it worked. I was so confused to see the extra hp on the tanks and thought it was attached to a team up but turns out is always active. I really thought this was bugged or something.

[@TravisDayton]

seasonal buff is a cheeky way to latter nerf heroes later on without "nerfing" them, and then being the good guys if this ruins certain characters by buffing them. we be play testing for them right now.

[@voodoo2919]

yeah, every character that currently has a seasonal anchor buff might feel a little nerfed next season. But, assuming the dev continue to make sure every character has at least one team-up (either as an anchor or an beneficiary), I think it'll all be balanced(ish). And the devs already said they plan on changing team-ups every season, so it possible Hella and Magik will lose they're static buff, but even feel broken in matches where they have they full team-ups active

[@davidogburn5374]

I love this system for one reason. It's immediate information from the devs what will change next season. We've been complaining about hela and hawkeye but the devs have basically told us from launch of a nerf they will get. Really nice to know even if they don't say anything else what will eventually change.

[@blindcocostudios]

Magneto being called the only mutant beside Storm in a game that has Wolverine, Luna Snow, Magik, Scarlet Witch and Psylocke in it made me sad.

[@techn0screamer]

I’m pretty sure they did the “buffs based on team ups” in the beta and it didn’t really matter. The break points don’t change

[@agathor338]

Well I mean they said they wouldn't nerf anyone sooooo

[@joseph2000117]

For real

[@TheSpawnTrapper]

Excited for every character to be 1 shotting to the head by Season 3.

[@1v1mewtwo77]

So question how did he find out what the season 1 patchnotes are? I guess im confused looked it up everywhere and nothing pops up.

[@PynekTheHrothgar]

All he's talking about is a removal of seasonal buffs that everyone already knows about. He didn't mention anything other than that because noone knows what they will do just yet, the tiltle is kind of a click bait

[@SnakeBitten]

My understanding of the seasonal changes is that they are meant to incentivize players to play the Team-Up leaders to gets players to engage with team-ups since leaders don’t usually get anything from it.

[@GucciGirf]

I believe the seasonal bonus system is a genius idea. Now, whenever they add a new character into the game, if they’re worried about the characters movement speed/damage/cooldowns/etc, they can give them a seasonal bonus. Then, fine tune the final stat for the character when the season ends as a permeate value via patch. Probably what they’ll end up doing to our current seasonal characters

[@lukea3072]

As a newer player, I didn't even know about these seasonal buffs. Not sure how I feel about this yet.

[@KhaosOfficialYT]

my boi spiderman’s damage has to be permanent, cuz aint no way that hes supposed to do less damage 💀

[@SapphireSolstice67]

2:13 he’s doing 20% more this season, but you are wrong to say he will do 20% less next season because of how percentages work. He’ll do 16.7% less next season

[@BenJamonGaming]

The team ups already have a system if someone changes characters mid game. You lose the team up immediately. Why would they change it for the season bonus if they decided to implement that?

[@Josho0o]

I am just worried that the devs will see that a character that is being complained about and then nerf them AND the seasonal boost will be removed - however it could be the seasonal buff making the character more unmanageable, and it would've been fine without, but they get hit by effectively a double whammy nerf despite only needing the seasonal bonus taken away? That was hard to word, but I'm sort of against this whole "seasonal buff" thing - at least them being active without their respective team up abilities being active

[@Kryptic245]

I feel like the seasonal buffs were an oversight. I hope that they're meant to only be active when they're in their team-up, not all the time, and they'll fix that in the first official patch. As a seasonal buff that's always there is boring, but it could be interesting if it was only there when you're in your team-up because then maybe you could have a character that with the team-up is very strong but they have to team up with another hero who maybe isn't all that great at the moment and now you have to build around that.

[@Nedscape]

the removal of hp from the season bonus could just be their maximum, if they are below 150 total hp it just subtracts the 150 you are missing.

[@BabaYaga0713]

Basically all Magiks main important combos rn need that 15% damage buff to be able to have the needed ttk on dps/supp to be an effective dive character

[@LoopcrateAudio]

This probably won’t happen, but it would be cool if every season the roster gets revamped with tons of new heroes. Kind of like how Fortnite completely changes the loot pool every season to freshen up the game. Marvel has enough heroes to do this. Rivals has leaned heavily into the “just have fun” aspect of gaming. No matter what they do, I hope they continue to go down that path.

[@estebanslavidastic4382]

Uh hell no. Because then the season would have literally the exact same heroes in each game. Imagine having half the vanguards and strategists you have available atm? Literally every game would have the exact same heroes. It would become stale so fast. Like less than a week

[@LoopcrateAudio]

@@estebanslavidastic4382I think you misunderstood what I’m saying. I’m saying to replace most (if not all) the heroes with completely new ones. I know most people’s initial reaction to that is shock, but I think we really should stop caring so much about hero balance. That’s a big factor in what killed Overwatch.

[@estebanslavidastic4382]

@@LoopcrateAudio lack of hero balance makes games unplayable at any competitive level. No one wants a rigid meta, because it completely defines comp. also, it seems like a prodigious waste of resource to just have half ur roster unplayable half the time. There is literally no downside to balance and hero diversity. Having a TON of new heroes each season wouldn’t be feasible either, because that’s just way too much time for the devs. Hero’s take a long time to balance, design, model, code, etc etc. Not to mention skins. Let’s say you main a pyslock, and you just dropped 20$ on a bunch of psylock swag. Then she becomes unplayable for 3, months. #feelsbad much?

[@pandasteakDSC]

Make the buffs weaker. It wont be a big deal. 5% max boost to damage heals, give tanks an extra 50 HP. Small buff but not big enough to make something incredibly OP and a must pick that just dominates lobbies.

[@JDCoop6]

There's a possibility that the team up abilities might switch up every season or so and that might be the reason why those seasonal buffs are changing. Those buffs only apply to characters that don't receive an ability in the team up so I think they're trying to keep things fresh with the meta

[@droodthedude]

maybe they introduce seasonal debuffs next season, give punisher and iron fist -20% damage

[@aaronolson6736]

I would hope they change the Team Ups to require the both parties on the team (groot needing rocket/jeff for his passive buff) while changing the Vanguard passive to cdr to be more interesting, or make it damage reduction to keep the same affect as bonus hp.

[@SlimJim8121]

All the heroes that have a buff are simply the required heroes that create teamups. Seems like the buffs are to make these heroes seem more appealing, to have more players play them, to offer more opportunities for teamups and team comps with said teamups.

[@Yeraharry.wizard]

Weird how nobody is talking about wolverine...

[@danielnolan8848]

Adam worklock feels bad now with the season buff, rip

[@reddragon2943]

WE DO NOT NEED NERFS!!

[@adrtybrdysturdy2248]

I think the teamups that give health or damage boosts wont exist. They are likely primarily for the season in my way of thinking of it. The other teamups will though. (Like peni parker, spiderman and venom) They could be picky with whom they give the “buffs” to but I don’t think theyll give damage buffs to people whos base kits are stronng (like punisher) This season is all about testing the waters anyways. As for Hawkeye oneshotting, you do need a full draw to do so and I think some characters should be scary. Though I dont think it should be a hit scan (feels like it is) and the hitbox could be reduced somewhat. On console he’s easy to counter with someone like spiderman or psylocke and because hes not very mobile, you can kinda figure where he will be most of the time

[@halfeimazuris6419]

I don't really care that much if an hawkeye arraow can kill a 250hp character with one OS, BUT dealling 400 dammage on a tank with only 600HP that's freaking scary.

[@9ine617]

My initial thoughts on the seasonal buffs like x% more dmg/healing were a good way of patch notes being shown in game. Kind of how some people want ow to do since casual gamer are less likely to keep up with the numerical changes across patches

[@idkmanp9573]

Spiderman will be even more dead then he is if they remove his damage boost

[@ShardEye]

Isn't it fair to assume that each hero that might lose its seasonal buff will gain a special ability when matched up with a seasonally buffed hero? Depending on the ability they get, they could hold onto their viability.

[@v.m.6549]

Brother Spiderman is so downplayed is crazy

[@brhyno926]

I think a LOT of people either are oblivious to seasonal buffs or forget about them. People are often complaining about characters with a boost or team up boost

[@springod36]

I feel like it should just be of the other character is on you team like everyone thought it was

[@pearson674]

To me this seems like a way to test out certain buffs for characters, hopefully when season 1 comes they will release some patch notes like "Magiks seasonal buff is now her baseline damage"

[@xaviiiiv]

I find it better than how other games give buffs and nerffs they at least have an icon and you can see the buff right away, in other games you gotta read patch notes and probably from seasons ago if you havent been keeping up with them in a while etc

[@SolPhantasmagoria]

_Hey Sty, don't you think that constantly balancing heroes in any game is an attempt at "forcing the meta" - this is perhaps just another way of doing it that's a bit more visual, and also allows those changes to be more palatable._

[@ossein4393]

I don’t think this is accurate… the tank hp buffs don’t activate until you have the actual team up. So I don’t think the dmg boost is active without the actual team up either. Or maybe I misunderstood what you’re sayin in the video.

[@kojack_ay99]

The seasonal buffs are for the team up anchors. I just dont know if all team ups wil change every season or some of them?

[@leolegende9760]

U DONT GET THESE PERCENTAGE BUFFS UNLESS U HAVE THE OTHER CHARACTERS THAT ARE PART OF THE TEAM UP