Marvel Should Let Spider-Man Get Old

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For decades, Marvel has shied away from letting Peter Parker really grow up and come into his own as an adult. In this video, I talk about why he'd benefit from being allowed to get older, even in the MCU.
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[@captainmidnight]

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[@Mutantman02]

Yes! Thanks for another video

[@icedcapplord710]

Spider-Man Life Story as a Disney+ limited series would be incredible Also glad they're probably letting Tom Peter live through adulthood in the future and probably setting him up for university. Hope he ends up in a similar spot to 1994 Peter or Insomniac Peter

[@daviddyster4145]

I agree with you, but now that Joe Qasada is gone there could be a writer who could age Peter up.

[@rsf2466]

Man, I want a Peter Parker film than a Spider-Man film. A Peter Parker film that just so happens to be Spider-Man. The struggles of being a college student/young adult and being Spider-Man. What it takes/means to become an adult and why we have/need to be one and that it's unavoidable A intimate, yet mature story.

[@Coolgamer..]

Spiderman grow up pretty fine

[@KennethTakanami]

Peter Parker was made a teenager in the MCU to contrast the already established Iron Man, Cap, Thor in the same way Peter Parker contrasted with the already established Fantastic Four, X-Men who were older in the comics. The way NWH ends clearly signifies the beginning of an adult Peter Parker. I feel like Holland could approach the role with less of his "aw shucks" Marty McFly anxious energy moving forward.

[@captainmidnight]

Well two of those characters are gone now. No reason he can't change over time.

[@KennethTakanami]

@@captainmidnight Yeah, I was agreeing with you haha

[@man.itz.ashton]

@@captainmidnight geez dude. did you even read this comment? what a jackass

[@dylanthegreat2429]

hopefully we will get that in spiderman 4 i personally would love a more laid back apporach to this movie and show his life after everyone forgetting him. However with how marvel has been i am assuming in the movie Ned and MJ will remeber him and he will have a big fight and it will have that same marvel comedy.

[@JT-vh7yh]

i’m sick of people saying that he NEEDS to be young, LET HIM GROW. There are a shit ton of younger heroes that can fill in his role. Most of Peters most interesting stories happened when he’s been outta HS for more than 8-9 years

[@logansmith2703]

Also ffs if they want a young spidey they have PLENTY of options outside of Pete. He has clones AND Miles.

[@marlonclark1896]

yeah nobody stays young forever

[@jacobrivera1721]

Exactly let him grow up and be married

[@haroldnecmann7040]

@@jacobrivera1721 Virginia spiderman is more relatable

[@windghost2]

@@logansmith2703 Yet Marvel NEVER capitalizes on this dynamic at all. It's Frustrating.

[@winnablepeach135]

I’ve been talking about Spider-Man life story ever since I read it last year. My favorite story about the wall crawler in recent history. Including movies and games. Really reminded me of kingdom come from DC back in the day. These characters have such a mythos behind them, seeing Peter get old is just so human and so apart of what makes Spider-Man so special and the best super hero.

[@lapislazuli5035]

Same. I read Life Story when it first came out back in 2019 and have been telling everyone I know to read it since. It's brilliant.

[@yee9098]

life story is my favorite spidey story besides USM

[@cr0wcr4w]

It is good but I dind't like the mj part... seemed off...

[@ultimateslinger9857]

Yeah, that’s my favorite Spider-Man comic too

[@usemymalekarenvideo4983]

Why stop there?.. Let's make him old enough that he's in a retirement home playing bingo 🙄

[@prestonfontana8416]

I agree! The comics, too! We always get glimpses of an older, more mature Parker. But they get reconned and thrown out

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Because They are afraid they will lose an Audience and interest

[@yee9098]

@@BaithNa he’s currently in his mid 20s in the comics, not 30s

[@josephwilliams1251]

@@BaithNa yeah and he also somehow looks like a twenty year old that Mr. Magooed his way into owning a company (before losing that). Emotionally, he still gets written as a dude who’s still getting his life together

[@chrislail3824]

@@BaithNa yes, it’s cannon that it’s been 15 years since the appearance of FF. Though it’s a touch loose, and Parker is currently 28.

[@Mike-pq3sb]

​@@josephwilliams1251 thing is that's what makes Peter. He'll never have his life together as long as he's Spider-Man

[@gameb9oy]

Now that we have miles, there’s barely even an argument for keeping Peter Parker Spidey young. Keep him closer to the age of the fans that grew up with just Pete, and let miles stay young for the other crowd.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Whoever "miles" is

[@markmagician2471]

@@darrengordon-hill Black Spider-Man

[@africanviolet6540]

@@darrengordon-hillMiles Morales. Look him up.

[@vesha6274]

@@darrengordon-hill he's just the black Spiderman, nothing special about him

[@projekttaku1]

@@vesha6274 that's ridiculous. He's more than just "black spiderman". He's very different and unique.

[@vicentediez452]

It always baffled me how people keep saying that being a teenager is one of Peter's core traits, when most of his stories occur during his more mature years. High school in Spidey's timeline is only the first bunch of ASM issues. The notion of Peter having to be a teenager is something that I believe has mainly been pushed by USM

[@galactic85]

Stan lee wrote Amazing Spider-man until issue 100. Peter graduates in issue 28 and even the most iconic story from Ditko's time on the title (Masterplanner Saga/If This Be My Destiny) takes place when Peter is in college. This obsession with keeping Peter in high school is irrational.

[@BJ64Th3M0v13f4n]

The USM comics is such a shitty version of the character and that was used as inspiration for TASM 1 and 2, yeah, says a lot doesn't it.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

@@BJ64Th3M0v13f4n Listen you're putting the cart before the horse there, TASM 1 and 2 are bad, but that doesnt mean their source material is by default, it means they're bad adaptations of the amazing source material. USM is amazing. Probably the best Ultimate hero, and not by a close call, he's just incredible. 616 spidey is incredible too, but to discount USM in the way you are here is just a huge disservice to the incredible stories

[@BJ64Th3M0v13f4n]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Fuck no! USM is neither amazing nor ultimate in any way shape or form. They killed off Ultimate Peter Parker as an excuse to introduce Miles Morales, which I will never forgive! Was it really fucking necessary to kill off Peter Parker in that universe to do so? No it fucking wasn't. It was just a cheap writing trope done to railroad a POC/BAME character as if we haven't had enough race-bent characters already over the years. Why wasn't Miles Morales given his own solo independent comic book series? Was it necessary to do it through USM in order to get the ball rolling? Answer that...❔

[@MrSafior]

@@BJ64Th3M0v13f4n Calm down, he got better.

[@JFLEstudios]

As much as I love classic High School Peter, the PS4 Spider-Man was fucking amazing and so relatable because he was so much more mature and older. Possibly my favorite interpretation of the character so far. Like you said, I think it's likely (and I hope) Sony & Disney will go with that route now that the "Home" Trilogy is over and Tom Holland is taking a break from acting. The next Spider-Man trilogy in the MCU should have an older Peter, similar to the one from the game.

[@kylerjohnson4352]

I think he should be in his 30s

[@Spazza42]

Tom Holland will be returning in the next Spider-man film though, probably just older.

[@mathijnd]

I love how PS4 Peter looks old and visually tired. Fighting crime, having a job, paying his bills etc. They changed his face for the PS5/PC remastered and now he looks 12. He looks younger than Miles. :(

[@mr.nosewhiper135]

Yea i would love to see a peter thats like late 20s early 30s in action cause he should be in his prime no high school kid fighting crime a much more experience spidery who's stronger

[@GenerationWest]

Like I said a year or so ago somewhere else, I'm totally fine with highschool Peter stories, as long as their good, and as long as we have somewhere to go afterwards, like college era, and mid to late 20's era and beyond. Unfortunately, we don't get a lot of that, since adaptations either end suddenly, or if they do end, it's just Peter leaving school. MCU Peter is the best position right now to do college era tales and beyond, as long as cooler heads are in charge. Comics side on the other hand is STILL in that stagnation period with MJ's "Will-they/won't-they", and I'm getting tired. As messy as Superman in comics is currently with how it got to the current status quo, At least Clark and Lois were together, married, and with a kid, for many years now. I just want that for Peter, which we were SO CLOSE to in the late 90's, and have seen work in Life Story, Renew your Vows and of course Mayday Parker's MC2.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

I love stories that are food too

[@BossRedRanger]

Not interested at all. Just let Peter get into his 30s and 40s. Bring back Mary Jane. Let the young Spidey be Miles Morales and have Peter mentor him. Batman’a worry over the Robins is good storytelling

[@josephwilliams1251]

Completely agree. Kinda funny but the high school spidermen (Ultimate, spectacular, even MCU) always end up feeling more like adults than most the ones that have been outta high school and college, and it’s because they grow into men. As opposed to a lotta 616 comics where every time he grows, they pull the rip chord, or Raimi sorta stuff where they just feel like a beaten puppy with zero confidence. There are exceptions. PS4 spidey began kinda that way but grew to feel more in control. Even McGuire’s spidey in NWH felt more confident and fit perfectly as a camp councilor sorta guy. I’m stoked for where MCU spidey will go as the first one to get enough time in high school to feel like college is a change and have to exist without his typical support network. Let’s see if he continues growing or if they pull the rip chord

[@BaroqueEnigmar]

I like how even when DC killed their main Supes and replaced him with no-name Supes from other dimension, this new Supes is still married and still has a child (a new addition to the Kent gang)

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I know this is off topic, but you haven't made a new video in a year.

[@d4nnylaflame896]

I’m reading all of Spider-Man’s comics in chronological order for the first and I’ve always thought Peter would be in high school for years only to find out he graduates high school by issue 28 of the Lee/Ditko run. Pretty weird to see that stories almost 40-50 years later still has him be a young man.

[@bmvthemoviefanatic7282]

Love High School Spider-Man, but I'd also love to see something like "Superman & Lois" for Spider-Man, where he's married to MJ and got kids with powers that he has to learn to teach and maybe deal with the financial and time balance troubles of being an adult and father. We've got comics like this, but none that feel iconic yet. It would be pretty exciting IMO 😁

[@v10fc92]

A Spidey show centered around the adaptation of the Renew Your Vows storyline would be AMAZING honestly! Especially if they have both Annie and Mayday as the daughters which is what i’ve always wish to happen one day in a Spidey storyline at some point (whether that’s a TV Show or Direct-to-Video movie).

[@jacobrivera1721]

@@v10fc92 exactly you have all spider kid be siblings like mayday first Anne second and bengy third

[@gameb9oy]

That actually already exists, it just got made non-canon. Shame too as Spidey’s daughter was pretty cool, had some fun stories set up for basically the next generation of heroes after Peter ended up old and a bit jaded

[@windghost2]

@@gameb9oy OOOH are you talking about Mayday? I loved reading her comics when I was younger.

[@gameb9oy]

@@windghost2 I don’t remember her civilian name. Just know she was a cool character in the comics I found at my library. Heck, maybe we’ll get lucky and the next spider-verse can bring her back for a bit

[@RyukDecoy]

I think the status quo for spiderman will always be a super young adult, 18-19 will probably still be when most of his stories will be set, however nowadays 23-25 feels like a sweetspot where he can be independent while still having the issues a "kid" would have, and tom holland is in the spot

[@briannawarren4174]

I adored the time when Peter was a science teacher at his old highschool. He's shown himself to be at or at least near the level of cleverness of geniuses like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, but he's not a billionaire tech businessman like them. Instead, he uses his smarts to reconnect with his roots and give back to the hood as he helps kids that are lonely like him. That's pretty friendly neighborhood 😌

[@SamWickens]

This all makes me think of the beginning of Batman Beyond, where we see a 50-something Bruce trying to keep being Batman despite his increasing health issues and with his entourage of Robins and Batgirls all having left for one reason or another, so there's no one to keep the symbol alive if he stops. I think a lot of superheroes could benefit from an older perspective once in a while.

[@o.8.p149]

I mean that would just make Batman Beyond less unique

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

@@o.8.p149 Hopefully they’ll do their own take on them and not just straight up copy.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

As much as I look forward to Reeves’s Batman trilogy, I still hope we’ll see a Beyond adaption in the future.

[@o.8.p149]

@@dragon_ninja_2186 why do we need an adaptation of Batman beyond?

[@praisethelordpig1212]

@@o.8.p149 why do we need your opinion yet here we are

[@somecallmejeremy]

This is the reason why I love Logan. It's the fact that he's old there and that allows him to grow on what happened before in the timeline of the movie. It makes the movie mature as it is with the character and I think that's one of the highlights of that movie. It feels different from the Logan that we saw from the X-Men films to this Wolverine film and I hope while not the taking the same mature and r-rating route as Logan did, I hope the MCU take Spider-Man into the same route but with more darker themes.

[@wallywest4727]

I wish characters in general would age in comics. What i love about The Flash prior to Barry's return was this feeling of the characters aging and passing on the mantle. I feel way too often comic books characters just stay the standard age of them in their prime and never growing.

[@galactic85]

I really wish they had never brought back Barry Allen. Barry should have stayed dead.

[@acewalker]

Because it’s a fictional character. It’s not a real person.

[@Junebug89]

@@acewalker Thank you for this great insight, none of us were aware! Being fictional doesn't mean he *has* to stay young though, and people are expressing that they think he *should* age.

[@Fi_Sci_]

Spider verse had a great portrayal of an older Peter, and it would be great if we got a Spider-Man movie set in Tobey Maguires universe. He’s at the right point where he can pull off an older Spider-Man, and having Sam Raimi direct it would be the icing on the cake. That’s a stretch though, and they may just continue forward with Tom Hollands as he goes through his college years.

[@BirthQuakeRecords]

I always preferred 30s-aged spider-man. His character really shines through with some more of the existential dread and financially exhaustion and burnout and crises that comes with aging. The main way teenage spider-man gets to show growth is by going through violent personal tragedies stemming from individual mistakes. Adult spider-man gets to show growth through introspection on a lifetime of failure. Which I think is more universally relatable.

[@booziebadazz1692]

Agreed

[@UncleKoolaids]

@@moisesinfantes2797 he's literally 19 in that show to start LMAO

[@Gemnist98]

I’m actually not sure if Peter is even in his 30s. He’s stated to be 28 immediately after the end of Superior Spider-Man, and many months pass between then and the “Global Parker Industries” era of the character begins. It’s possible he’s 30 or 31, but no higher.

[@moisesinfantes2797]

@@Gemnist98 He is 30 at least. But even having that age marvel still dont want to see peter in a stable family, and relationship, , stable living condition, and job.

[@spider-man6932]

@@moisesinfantes2797 because they are afraid that an older Peter wouldn't sell very well. What a hot bunch of horsesh*t.

[@Rafael081296]

There were rumors that Fiege wants MCU Spider-Man to be like the Harry Potter films, having Peter grow throughout multiple films. It really all depends on Tom, hopefully the writers of the films bring strong enough scripts for him to still be interested in the role. The money will be there obviously, but a great story will be more important. I like in him in the role, and I want him to stick around long enough to pass the torch to Miles, as an adult though. Doing it in this trilogy feels premature for the character, there's still so much room for growth and mature stories.

[@Call-me-Al]

They could change it around and make Miles Daredevil's first protégé in the MCU (and we'll hopefully get Blindspot later). Making Miles more of a little brother and colleague to Holland's Spidey than protégé or successor.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits But do you know who else deserves a big thank you? LAURA ZISKIN It was because of her and her partner (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the original trilogy and TASM1 had depth Arad on the other hand just wanted to use the movies to sell toys

[@Raccon_Detective.]

Agreed! No wonder why he was obsessed with Venom, so much so that he forced Venom into Spider-Man 3. Sam Raimi is an old school Spider-Man fan which is why he knows nothing about Venom. Sam took inspiration from the Venom that from the "Peter Parker Spider-Man:Sandman vs Venom" comic series.No wonder why his Venom sucked so much.

[@KennethTakanami]

THIS! She does not get enough credit!

[@nateh1135]

@@Raccon_Detective. Honestly, if they had just excluded Venom but kept the black suit arc, it would've been a much better movie and kept with the theme of him learning about vengeance and forgiveness. Arad thought about splitting the movie in two, but said he couldn't think of a satisfying intermediate climax (which I call bullshit on). They should've saved Venom for Spider-Man 4. The inclusion of Gwen Stacey was also a decision by Arad that was unnecessary, and any romantic tension between MJ and Peter shouldve been saved for a fourth film with Venom's "unrequited love" for Peter being a parallel. The whole amnesia plot with Harry should've also been cut since it's such a cop out. Either way, it's interesting reading about the development of the OG trilogy. The first movie was largely written by James Cameron (who is a brilliant filmmaker), and then just polished by David Koepp, Scott Rosenberg, and Sam Raimi. The next movie had even more writers submitting drafts but Raimi and Sargent picked and chose what they liked (and also drew upon "Spider-Man, No More"), so ultimately they were the screenwriters. The third movie is where things started to flounder because of studio interference and Avi Arad, but also because Raimi was creating material from scratch rather than adapting it if that makes sense? It's the same issue D&D faced after George R.R. Martin left Game of Thrones. He's a good director but he needs a solid script as a foundation (which he can polish).

[@Blazecap]

How is this relevant to the video? Also I swear I’ve seen this exact comment posted before.

[@Raccon_Detective.]

@@nateh1135 But Sandman is the emotional core of Spider-Man 3.

[@fasareste]

Seeing something like this for Spiderman would indeed be super facinating. We did kind of get that for Hawkeye in his show and that was the storyline I was probably the most interested in from all the MCU shows from Disney+

[@DesmondHart]

I mean peter is already moved on from High School in the MCU. He is now gonna be focusing on college and being a young adult. What is fascinating with the MCU Peter Parker is that we are able to watch him grow, first when we met him in iron man 2 then in civil war when he was a sophomore to in NWH when he's trying to look for a college and now Holland has another trilogy under his contact. I can't wait to see the character work they do with Tom Holland's Peter Parker

[@yee9098]

letting Peter gets old means letting everyone else get old as well, it wouldn’t be impossible to do but pretty problematic in terms of pacing and would eventually lead to a full universe reboot every so often just to bring back popular characters i don’t need Peter to become an elderly anytime soon but i’d love to see him with a stable job, marriage, and a kid or two. For some reason Marvel is scared for Peter to hit 30 or even push it, in his previous run 2 volumes ago, he was confirmed 28, had a relationship with MJ and was at a solid spot in his life in his last run he was de-aged back to 25 and in his latest one he’s now single again, with no job, no friends and struggling to make ends meet… for the like the millionth time. Marvel is too scared to have Peter develop and have that development stay permanent unfortunately this means Miles and his generation will also stay a teenager forever, or for as long as Peter is the age he’s at, sucks cuz i’d like to see him move onto the next stage in life. At least spiderverse is doing that but i’d like to see it done in the comics too

[@Nzosaba_Matenge]

Not really, Shadowcat was 13 when she joined the X-men back in 1980, two years after Peter graduated. Now she's in her late twenties. Meanwhile Franklin Richards who was introduced in 1968 just hit puberty. Then there was Curt Connors' son who was ten in the 60s and aged two years in almost 6 decades. During this time Harry Osborn had son who is almost ten now, then Eddie Brock had a son after him but that son is older than both these other kids. Then we learnt Henry Pym had a daughter with his first Wife before he became Ant-man implying sixteen years have passed between the Fantastic Four got their powers and the current day. The point is don't think about it

[@meep9231]

I agree, as much as I love Peter’s high school stories, Id rather see him and Miles grow up in both their stories, but I feel if they age up Peter, they’ll probably put miles in the same Position

[@o.8.p149]

And how many times will they have to reset and start making stories irrelevant

[@vp21ct]

I think most comics, in general, really benefit from allowing their characters to age and grow up. Batman Beyond is still one of the best Batman takes out there, and to this day it's depiction of Bruce Wayne is one of the strongest and most striking. And I think that one of the things that makes Invincible work so well is that Omni-Man isn't *just* an 'Evil Superman' but that we also get a lot of him being a 'Domestic Superman', where he's just being a dad and a husband (with some sinister vibes beneath).

[@tinktink360]

It would make a lot more sense for Spider-man to be in College because of College’s structure. Peter is someone who is very smart and it allows him plenty of free time. It also allows him to meet new people and friends along the way. He would be on campus and that would be pretty cool

[@ejhproductions1]

I think an adaptation of Life Story would make one of the best Spider-Man movies ever, but you can’t do it set within the MCU. That story is tied so tightly to the decades it takes place in that it just wouldn’t make sense without the settings

[@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736]

I’ve always loved the idea of Tom’s Peter growing up with the audience Harry Potter style, with three trilogies for three stages of life. And since the Home trilogy was all about Spidey moving away from mentors and becoming a fully fledged hero in his own right, I feel that now is the time to introduce Miles. That would really throw a wrench in the gears of this Peter who has just gotten used to being alone.

[@UrsusObesus]

The way Tom's Spider-Man was written was by far the worst of all three. They might be fun movies but they are really bad Spider-Man movies.

[@M_K360]

@@UrsusObesus how tf was NWH a bad spider-man movie? 🤦‍♂️

[@VideoGameVillians]

For me I grew up with a young Peter Parker and so I will always have a fondness for that. But I grew, so I also feel like he should too. The character should work at any age, so they really should write stories for him, for every age. Also I kind of hope Holland decided to keep playing him for a long time just so they'll have to let the movie version grow up. I mean, I'd also just like to keep seeing him in the role because he's good, but at this point I especially just want to see Spidey get older with us.

[@ethanjobson3879]

Thank you! Some of my favorite Spidey eras were 80s long term relationship post college/married Spidey. Sure it kinda went off the rails with Clone Saga and never fully recovered but there were still plenty of gems in that era. We’ve gotten both younger and older Batman. Let’s get the same and get a live action movie older Spidey (maybe with Garfield?).

[@Martinbumms]

Highschool Spidey is fun but I think he works best in his 20's. A young, motivated yet traumatized (because of losing Ben, Gwen, etc) and just highly overwhelmed by his life and morality. Whenever something bad is happening he feels like it's his fault and he needs to fix it and when he does he feels shitty because he thinks he didn't do it good enough or fast enough. And besides that almost every relationship doesn't get the attention it deserves. May, MJ or any other friend falls short and even if he handles all that, he still have to earn money for just living. All that and he still does an amazing job, that's why I love him that much. Maybe an older version (Old Man Logan but in his 40's) would work but I guess Marvel wouldn't do it, unfortunately that's not blockbuster enough for the MCU

[@kgw72]

I felt angry when I knew about "One day more" (I bought the special about Peter & MJ's wedding in those days) so I stopped taking "seriously" any idea of "continuity" or "cannon" in the Marvel/Superheroes universes. Nothing matters and everything will change to be the same sooner or later They are not able to let any of their characters age because _"oh, no, some fans want to have EXACTLY THE SAME STORIES AS WHEN THEY WERE KIDS!"_ .

[@javiakiragm8079]

Rewatching the 90s Animated show now. I can't believe how good some episodes and stories are... And Peter is an adult since the very beginning! Learning and evolving, showing a dark side sometimes. So refreshing and humanly relatable 😊

[@JubeiSenpai]

Yes please! So tired of seeing Peter in high school and we are going to do the same crap once miles shows up in the MCU

[@jacobrivera1721]

Same here

[@yee9098]

this is why mediums like Life Story, the MCU and Insomniac’s Spider-Man are the best way to consume Spidey media imo, as characters actually age and progress in these stories as time legitimately moves forward

[@jrad410]

It’s partly what made Spider-Man 2 work so well. Him dealing with college/early job career made the film relatable for a different age group

[@earthdog7900]

My favorite Spider-Man era is when he is struggling with grad school and paying bills in the 80s. I think being older different stories can be told about power and responsibility. I love to see Peter struggle with doing what is right and getting ahead in life.

[@samuelibeka2865]

Thats my favorite era as well. Prime spider-man material.

[@timogul]

No. I think they should restore his an MJ's marriage, allow him to be a more mature adult, but he should never be over his mid-30s or so. I think that there are certainly stories to tell with him being older, and they can do that in projects like the ones you did highlight, but it would lead to _fewer_ stories overall, not enough to fill 30+ issues per year.

[@immanuel7925]

You know what's underrated. Peter Parker ad a teacher. It's such a down to earth and honestly great thing for him. Not like he should be that forever but it was just a fun thing they did and I want to see Peter become like a tutor in the new movies.

[@thetruej7872]

Peter Parker going to College in the MCU is the perfect opportunity for this imo

[@ace15Nura]

That's why I love Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows Vol 1 and 2. It's the continuation of the Peter Parker I wanted to see: the family man, with her daughter being a new hero he helps to develop. As someone who grew up watching Peter grew up, it feels right to see him in the next phrase of his life.

[@radrno7]

My expectations for MCU Spidey is to grow not just as a character, but also as a story. Past films have been stuck for so long in the high school that the tone of the movies has been focused mostly in the teen comedy. With No Way Home humbling Peter in the hardest way possible, I hope to see a much more mature person. Now that he understands what is to have a responsability, they show him putting Spider-Man more above himself, until it drives him to understand why it's so important to keep doing it, akin to "Spider-Man 2" (2004). By the third movie in this trilogy, I want to see him adapted to this lifestyle, working with less struggle, paying his bills, cultivating relationships and doing the hero thing, where the challenge is above that and he will reach the next level, which might be retiring and teaching a younger Spider-Man. I also hope to see a more serious type of film with darker themes to reflect Peter's personality. Spidey has a lot of crime underworld background villains, if they want to make something similar to Spectacular Spider-Man season 2, they need to do them justice. My greatest hope is for a heavier Spider-Man movie so Daredevil, Punisher and Kingpin can really show what they can do in terms of violence.

[@steveschenker1380]

Spidey has three main phases, as far as I can tell: High School - New to being a hero, has to hide it from Aunt May, other heroes find him super annoying College - Thanks to JJJ he is not liked by the public, has to hide it from roommates/MJ, is stronger, invents some gadgets Adult - New York's most beloved hero, married to MJ, stronger with super-tech gadgets and suits, other heroes respect him

[@yee9098]

most “beloved hero”? huh?😂

[@steveschenker1380]

@@yee9098 INDEEDY-DO

[@projekttaku1]

@@steveschenker1380 eh...not really.

[@yee9098]

@@steveschenker1380 you must not read comics, spidey still takes disrespect from the entire city lmao

[@steveschenker1380]

@@yee9098 Well, the entire point of the video is that they keep resetting him, man.

[@Etticos.]

100% agree. Some of my favorite Spider-Man stories are when he’s an adult, when he has a job like being a teacher, when he is a father.

[@josephwilliams1251]

Agreed! Such a better evolution of the character than Tech CEO

[@jacobrivera1721]

Same

[@nickmilligan3662]

Ever since I was a kid and watched the animated series with Neil Patrick Harris, I have wanted to see an older more mature Spider Man. I think in the context of the MCU it could be good to see him develop further as an engineer and utilise aspects of his intelligence.

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

My favorite Spiderman stories are from that narrow span of time in the first civil war arc where Spiderman outed his own secret identity to the world and then went back to his day job as a high-school science teacher. The ideal Spiderman story for me is middle aged high-school science teacher Peter Parker semi retired from hero work and married to Mary Jane. He still patrols every now and then and he answers the phone every time the Avengers or X-men call, but the main thing he does is train his daughter and possibly Miles Morales to be a new generation of spiders. The biggest failure of recent marvel comics was Renew Your Vows not being the Spiderman that survived the brand wide continuity reset.

[@jacobrivera1721]

Exactly I like that

[@GiulianaBruna]

I mean. It's a problem with comics in general that editorials and fans are a little Reluctant about characters evolving and getting old. Its funny because lots of characters end up being the same age when there were decades older /younger from one another.

[@mttylerdurden9]

It's a problem with MARVEL and DC comics.not so much with most other publishers like Image

[@GiulianaBruna]

@@mttylerdurden9 it's natural. aren't image and dark horse from the nineties? It's normal that characters haven't aged that much. Also, most of Dark horse titles are creator owned or licensed titles, and neither of them have full interconnected universes. Buffy and Hellboy being the same age eventually won't be an issue.

[@projekttaku1]

This is one of the reasons why superman has be reinvigorated. While his current continuity is super complicated, he's moved forward in a organic way. He's married lois lane, putting a end to their will they-won't they, and had a child (without lex), allowing for writers to explore his new status quo and grow as a character more than any other comic character. And this has seeped into other media aswell, like superman and lois, which is has been amazing.

[@phoqueme]

One of main reasons why Spider-Man became legendary in each generation is because he's the most relatable hero to the widest margin of readers. A high school kid who has real world issues from bullying, to poverty, to girl problems even though he has great power lol he's still just like us. Literally ANY kid can relate to him and learn valuable principles from his character. It's not like X-men who were created due to the civil rights era and other minority issues or any other hero who focuses on specific disabilities or ethnicities (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Kamala Khan, etc). So i understand why they keep Peter Parker young, he's the ultimate "blank canvas" for teenagers because he fits so well with any race, ethnicity, gender, etc. Now with the introduction of Miles Morales, a pretty successful heir to the Spider man legacy, they could be focusing more on an aging Peter.

[@johnman8398]

The thing about spider-man getting older (when I say older I mean he has kids/has a stable job) is that a big part of the appeal of spider-man is the relatability of his struggle dealing with his personal life, whether it be keeping a job or trying to maintain the relationships with those close to him. When you make him older the appeal isn't as wide reaching as he's got things figured out. On a personal note stories when he's older kinda irk me because its feels like they ignore that being spider-man puts those he cares about in danger and just generally interferes with his life but you expect to me believe that he's in a stable marriage and is able to raise a child comfortably while also having a secret identity. In these stories they usually handwave the explanation and give a tl;dr basically amounting to he just figured it out.

[@radrno7]

Well tbh they had a teenager having to deal with superhero life while balancing it with school and multiple jobs. All those years would certainly add up to experience and expertise as someone who built super advanced technology in his bedroom with cheap materials. Just look at Mr. Fantastic, he has done the same thing and still manages to be a good husband and father. The difference being Peter isn't as stable financially.

[@Call-me-Al]

You don't stop having things to figure out and deal with until you're dead. Different ages bring different challenges.

[@alexutzu24ianuarie]

Always enjoy your videos

[@Tavtav66]

The next Spiderman trilogy needs a new director that can help Tom Holland's Spiderman flesh out his character, preferably Sam Raimi that can do him justice. Not very confident in Jon Watts.

[@Tavtav66]

Jon Watts is not bad by any means, he just has no defined directorial style, and it only took him till NWH to finally get MCU Spiderman right. Albeit the first two movies were not horrible, but they were terribly flawed.

[@johnman8398]

​@@Tavtav66 If you honestly think that it took till NWH to get the character right then you never understood what the movies were about and to a certain extent spider-man as a character.

[@camiloindart1218]

I propouse Rick Famuyiwa

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I feel like Raimi's Spidey should just be Maguire, let someone else manage Holland's. But not confident on Watts anymore; to me, it was NWH was when he showed his limits.

[@silverwhistle247]

Jon watts shows that he cant do character development. Peter did not learn any lesson from his first 2 films.

[@PurifyWithLight]

Ha, I was reading Amazing Spider-Man #46 yesterday. In the letters pages had the results of Marvel's "Should Spidey Age?" contest from 1967. One fan letter worked out that 12 issues of Iron Man's story line equaled four days in Marvel world. Stan replied "Your solution grabbed us! Mostly, because it's what we had practically decided to do anyway!" for Spidey. That guy won the special deluxe no-prize

[@dedydahlan]

Thank you! This is what I have been saying for years! I grew up from my teen years looking up to spiderman (especially the comics), I'm a Spider-man biggest fan by definition. I feel totally related to his story. But as I grew older, Spider-man didn't. I got married, started my own business, and became a business owner with several employees, while Spider- man still living off scraps and living with a roommate? There's where I can no longer relate to him. How can he still be my hero if I have outgrown him? I know that Marvel tried to turn him into this new "Tony Stark" by giving him a huge corporation, "Parker Industries" but that's also not relatable. That's not him. What they should've done instead, is make him a 'small business owner'. That's relatable. That's possible. And that is allowing him to grow, while also giving him realistic money and decision-making problem. We, adults, have problems too. Let us relate to Spider-man one more time, and let the newer generations look up to Miles and Kamala Khan.

[@kirisokami5041]

i would love it if Peter actually aged and got older in the comics, he definitely deserves as he’s been in his mid 20s for the past like, 30-40 years lmao that said, peak spider-man for me is high school spider-man. The best part of Spidey being in high school is that he’s a kid, every adult can relate to being a kid but not every kid can relate to being a adult, so it’s like a perfect meeting point for all fans. i also like that age of spidey cuz he seems to juggle a lot of things i also can relate with. Not being understood by parental figures, not being the most popular in school, dealing with curfews, having a part time job plus dealing with school assignments, all on top of being spider-man, a kid vigilante with a naive outlook on life due to his age. It’s why i think Ultimate Spider-Man worked so well, because it really emphasized that Spider-MAN isn’t a “man”, it’s a kid still learning the ropes. Irony at it’s best which is why i think it sucks Insomniac is washing over the kid aspect of Spider-Man’s life so quickly. They aged Miles up so quick from 15 to 18 in just two games lmao, and Peter’s story started so far after he was bitten, we barely know anything about it. I get spidey as an adult is so beloved, but it’s wild to think there’s only been one Spider-Man story with a fleshed out high school life. Yeah it was paced really bad in Ultimate Spidey but 616 had peter graduate in less than 30 issues lmao, and even then he was originally 17 when he was bitten, so we only saw his senior year, he was later retconned to 15 when he got bitten but even then we didn’t see any of his other high school years and the one we did see was over like that anyway that’s my rant of my favorite version of spidey lol, keep up your good work midnight

[@previoustimtamthenusedtobe744]

I absolutely loved renew you vowels, after that ive always wanted to see Peter as a dad. He doesnt have to be married, but Dad peter would be an interesting dynamic. A different type of responsibility you dont see in his comics. I do agree the 2018 game is my favourite adaptation of Peter

[@JD-iu6rv]

Yes! Have Peter get old. Have him become a teacher like in the JMS era of the comics

[@bennycongo4131]

I get very excited every time you post a new video man your knowledge I always have such an open mind I appreciate your work

[@lukesaltsalter6111]

couldn't agree more, always loved the idea of him having a tech company ect like the Dr ock storyline

[@SketchCartoonGuy]

I would love to see more adult Spider-Man in media. A time skip wouldn't be bad for Holland's character but I'd also like to see him navigating his life in the start of the new status quo following No Way Home. Regardless I want to see Holland's Peter as an adult and not have his college years feel so much like his high school days.

[@samuelshaw7730]

4:42 I never paused to read the TGI Spidey's review before but it's pretty funny. I'd give spider-web nachos a try

[@courtemanchep]

I know it's a detail, but I appreciate that you used the original Peter Parker in you Spider-Man 2018 footage. Good video! Keep going!

[@failedmycaptchatest]

Peter B Parker was one of the best parts about Spiderverse so I'd love to see more adaptations with an older Spidey

[@DansPiratelife]

Marvel needs a R rated movie with Deadpool and the X-men. Edit. Alright, maybe just more R movies. Period.

[@icedcapplord710]

I'll only accept Deadpool as part of X-Force. He rarely works next to the main X-Men team imo. X-Force or a Team X film would allow him a lot more breathing room in terms of the depiction of violence or seeing him better himself as an actual hero while struggling with the violent tendencies he has

[@mcurran6505]

I think sooner or later Marvel will have to let Peter & MJ get re-married again & at some point hopefully have a child (but it will have to be different from Renew Your Vows).

[@projekttaku1]

so there going to superman rebirth him? I wouldn't mind that.

[@doodlemight]

Were did you find that scorpion panel in Life story, u didn't have that in my comic

[@alfiegalpinmusic]

I tend to agree. Let miles take the wheel as the young rookie spider man. Miles has some new and fresh stories to tell and can tell the spider man story from a completely fresh perspective. Likewise, an aged Peter Parker gives us another new take on being spider man, with completely new stories to tell on the big screen.

[@ForeverRed3000]

I 100% agree in having Spider-Man age. I grew up watching the Raimi films, the 90s Spider-Man as well as the MTV Spider-Man. So I was pretty used to him being out of high school at the very least. I think also for audience sakes, having a character like Spider-Man age could actually help a LOT. Because growing up and adulting is hard, and for me, Spider-Man is a character I can relate to in those moments when it feels like the world is unfair. Spider-Man 2 really did this well with having Peter balance his personal life as well as superhero life that is incredibly relatable for those that start to experience the real world, complex relationships, stress, burnout and so many other things. And just as much as people loved Miles Morales in Spiderverse, the love that people have for Peter B Parker shows that audiences and fans really appreciate a Peter that goes through a lot in life, but still found a way to get back up, even if it took him some time.

[@darkavengermanowar]

If Batman/Bruce Wayne can be allowed to get older in his comics, then why can't Spiderman/Peter Parker do the same, especially in the movies, I'd like to see Spiderman around Tobey Maguire's age still as the wisecracking webslinger but dealing with adult issues and dealing still with his arch enemies who are also older than before

[@DavidSilva-mn4dz]

I loved seeing heroes strugling: Cap, Ben, Hulk, Peter and Reed having his bodies going to the max in battle, or seeing Reed and Tony's minds being challenged or Sue holding an atomic bomb a tsunami or a group of Celestials is just amazing. Those guys left turned to pulp, a victorius pulp

[@mememe131199]

I agree 100% i think with Miles and possibly having a child himself, it's time for Peter Parker to take a role as mentor. A Kakashi or Gojo Satoru for younger Marvel characters.

[@BlindBison]

Personally I would love to see a Raimi / Maguire Spiderman 4 with this premise. Raimi’s films (the first two at least, though I still enjoyed the third) are for me just amazing films.

[@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond]

Here's how to keep Peter in high school, while also allowing him to mature and grow up, make him a teacher like in J Michael Straczynski's Amazing...Amazing Spider-Man run. I love Teacher Parker.

[@konarkaron7139]

That's why Spider-Man TAS is still my favourite version of the character. He has a stronger character arc than 616 Spider-Man because the showrunners didn't need to keep him a teenager/very youngish person. In 5 Seasons he developed so much and didn't have limits like his main universe counterpart.

[@phenixorbitall3917]

Brilliant transition :) 8:45

[@dragunov815]

Good stuff.

[@StopmotionSamurai]

First! Love your videos! Could you do a video on Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers?

[@galactic85]

Peter was barely even IN high school over the course of Stan Lee's time writing the book. He graduated in issue 28. Lee is credited as the writer for up to issue 100. Yes, high school played a significant role in Peter's life early on but most of the character's biggest stories all took place in college or afterward. Instead of showing me high school Spider-man show me college age Spider-man or, best of all, thirty something married and father of a child Spider-man.

[@liamhemstock2286]

Spider-Man Life Story is my favourite comic. Now it was my first comic (I knew of the key stories and have loved Spider-Man for years and I haven’t read a whole lot since but still)

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

Yes please. Personally I'd love an entire film, or even trilogy, dedicated to the symbiote plot. (Done right ofc, not with in the baffling Bully Maguire style). Perhaps 'Craven's last hunt' adapted to the big screen? That could raise standards in SH movies, it's such a good arc.

[@projekttaku1]

I love bully maguire.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

@@projekttaku1 I love the memes but not his part in the movie

[@projekttaku1]

@@Yarblocosifilitico yeah.

[@michaelunderwood6022]

You are a really good youtuber

[@alexporto5669]

I agree! That's why I feel like Spider-Man 4, with Raimi and Tobey coming back, would be perfect. We never saw an older, married, maybe with children Peter Parker in films. I think it is time to change that. Make it the send-off this version of the caracter deserves, Logan style: small scale and deeply personal.

[@henrygrace138]

Life story is my favourite Spiderman comic

[@Raccon_Detective.]

Same!

[@iambuhlockay8007]

They could explore something like this by making Spider-Man 4 with Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire.

[@AronJamieson]

Jake Johnsons version of Peter B. Parker is my favourite version of Spidey. It was so refreshing and made him so much more relatable to me.

[@lityfity4197]

bruh brilliant video

[@writerlairchannel2636]

i doesn't want to start another war between dc and marvel, but old hero idea was used in batman beyond and its exactly what you were talking about in this video

[@CaptainProx]

Agreed, would live a potential Renew your Vows type of storyline

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Not only does this apply to Spider-Man, but other heroes as well. Most of the time they’re young or in their prime and very rarely do we see them getting old. Hopefully they’ll start to embrace aging their characters. I personally like to see more stories like Life Story which would be awesome!

[@Hollowdude15]

I agree with you man because I want to see a older spider man have its own movie when marvel makes one and awesome video man :]

[@jphugo15]

I think the thing that irritates me the most as a Spider-Man fan is that they'll make any excuse to go with a young Peter when Miles is RIGHT. THERE. To this day I can't believe they took Ganke from Miles, renamed him Ned and served him up as a Harry equivalent. It was wildly contrived since it locked them of ever telling a proper Ned Leeds story from the comics or having a live action Ganke without getting compared to Ned now. Thank god for Spider-Verse and Peter B. Parker.

[@Unknownburger]

That’s why I really really like the Spider-Man video game that Insomniac Studio made. It took place when he was 23ish and he is pretty relatable for me who is 24 rn. That being said it would be cool to see Peter Parker as an older Spider-Man to see the risks that would come with a married Peter Parker

[@ionasappy2732]

His romance with MJ is also more interesting in my opinion where it's written as two adults who've been through a lot and been in other relationships before they got together. The whole "my first and only love" / "best friend I grew up with" turns their relationship from realistic/relatable to a boring sappy cliché imo.

[@julianmitchell2115]

I think one thing with super heroes is that the idea of aging, settling down or giving up the gig is not super, inherently. Most people settle down and some may feel that life does get less exciting, less super. I think that Marvel can see how this would just inherently be less interesting, just because it would mean Spider-Man has a routine. Also keeping him young sells more to the young people, so, yeah. They’re the ones playing video games, going to the movies and reading comics.

[@Will_Morand]

I remember hearing someone suggest that, after the hype of Toby returning and people wanting Spiderman 4, that a good idea would be to make Spiderman 4 as the Spiderman version of Logan, with a more grounded and realistic tone. Not necessarily as dark and edgy as Logan was, but using the fact that Toby’s Spiderman is older and more experienced to give a new take on the character.

[@lukaslambs5780]

I agree. As a huge Thor fan I initially thought this only applied to mortals but now that I think about it I love old king Thor. I just like different challenges for heroes, no matter what form that takes!

[@milespaget3229]

There needs to be a timeskip for the movies I expect 2-3 years for the first movie at a minimum. Especially with all the movies planned ahead of the next Spiderman it makes sense for a few years to pass before we check back in with Peter.

[@ahmadalaama7217]

I could see it working with the right writers and director

[@RikkuChaser]

I agree so Garfield can keep the role

[@Astartes-6969]

I like the version of Peter in Into The Spiderverse. His an old & jaded Fighter yet still the same kid he used to be. Jake Johnson & Chris Pratt both did great performances and their voices fit Peter. If they make an Older Adaptation of Peter they should cast one of them as Peter in hus 30s or 40s.

[@spider-man500]

I came up with an idea for a Spider-Man franchise a while ago. A semi-adaption of Spider-Man: Life Story. Have it decided into 3 trilogies. 1st trilogy - Highschool 2nd trilogy - College/Adult 3rd trilogy - Married Man

[@jacobrivera1721]

I like it make into season