Marvel vs Capcom Infinite - Disney Destroyed This Series!

In today's video we talk about the failing's of Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, the final Marvel and Capcom cross over fighting game. How did Disney ruin and destroy this series?
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[@Shizuma]

It was frustrating at the time, most fans thought the x-men weren't there because FOX stopped it. They really didn't know X-Men were only film IP rights and had them since the 90's. Then again it was Disney's strategy at the time to try and destroy the X-Men and drive sentiment against FOX for daring to own film rights (A sale which actually saved Marvel comics from going bankrupt in the 90's), even in Marvel comics they had an event killing many of them off. Petty short-sighted greed at its finest.

[@PitH0und]

Everything Disney has been doing for years is short-sighted greed. They are throwing their IPs in the dumpster with movie after movie because the hirer ups at Disney don't care. They didn't make any of these IPs and just want to make as much money as possible while they run these companies into the ground.

[@shin_hibiki]

They did go bankrupt in the 90s though. There's a book about it.

[@mirza2698]

I think I've heard Disney has completed the acquisition of 20th Century Fox not long ago, so it's most likely that the MvC series will be put on indefinite hiatus.

[@Chadius]

It's ironic because Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and Marvel Contest of Champions had Wolverine on the cover and multiple X-Men in the roster. If Capcom waited 6 months maybe Magneto could have returned. I've always brainstormed a Season 2 plot about Avalon vs Final Weapon introducing mutants and more Mega Man characters, but... oh well.

[@michaeltaylor788]

That’s a fan theory not a fact

[@JP-eh4ee]

Remember Disney tried destroying the X-Men by actually cancelling the comics in the X-Men vs inhumans. But when they saw the huge drop in sales they decided to call them back.

[@mjcastro82]

Seeing the Inhumans show bomb filled my heart with joy. They legit thought they could make them cooler than the X-men

[@michaeltaylor788]

That was someone else Disney does not tell marvel comics what to do.

[@michaeltaylor788]

@@mjcastro82Disney had nothing’s to do with what happened to the x-men comics that was the guy in charge of a different part of marvel Disney did not control yet.

[@JP-eh4ee]

The same someone who turned Quicksilver and Scarlet switch into Inhumans so that they could use those characters in the movie?

[@michaeltaylor788]

@@JP-eh4ee it was one of marvel comic old editorials who no longer works for the company I think (hope).

[@GaidenDS10]

The saddest part of this game for me personally is this is Megaman X’s first finally debut since he was clamored from MvsC3. But the dev team and the company behind it decide to botch their presentation up with this humiliating launch.

[@Megageoe]

Not just X, but Sigma and Jedah as well were great additions. Wish they could also return in a new version.

[@irregularhunter0586]

Yes, put X, Sigma, and Jedah in Super Ultimate MvC3.

[@austinreed7343]

Hooerfully CVS3 makes up for it, though a Mega Man that has yet to ever appear in the series would be nice too.

[@Megageoe]

I personally feel the current MCU phase hasn't been the greatest. If a new MvC was ever released i'm hoping for Marvel to lose some of their leverage - doubtful but I can hope! @@neromauritzen6170

[@dantemustdie00]

Monster Hunter, Ultron, C. Marvel, Winter Soldier, Gamora, Bkack Widow, and Winter Soldier too. Which reminds me.....they played it TOO safe with the Capcom roster, they barely gotten any new characters

[@justmikoto9880]

The reason why the models, at least for the CAPCOM characters look so janky is because reportedly they reused the models from UMVC3 and converted them into Unreal 4 and that’s why things like the hair and Chun-Li’s face look so weirdly rendered.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

... MvCI doin it before GTA Definitive Trilogy made it popular 🤣👍

[@truearea53]

And don’t forget Morrigan in infinite. She looks like a hideous alien lizard 😆🤣😂

[@artofajax7199]

@@truearea53 It's really the face that's the main problem (especially the eyes). Hard to believe they fixed Chun-Li and Dante (albeit to a lesser extent) while Morrigan gets nothing.

[@Chadius]

Capcom was so stingy on the budget. I don't think they cared much about MvCI either, as they weren't really into fighting games at this point.

[@artofajax7199]

@@Chadius I think at the time, Capcom was prioritizing SFV (since that was the more profitable fighting game due to esports) following its rough launch. Infinite’s development team simply had to make do with the small time/budget they had.

[@FireBomberBassist]

Disney has been a villain for a while now. We all just couldnt see it yet.

[@michaelsimpson208]

It's just the mothereffing executives!

[@Gmountain108]

Any dude with a brain saw the end of marvel when Disney bought it

[@frankhorrigan1508]

@@Gmountain108 nah, up until The first avengers movie they had done it well, with the 2nd phase things some movies were a bit weak (thor specially) phase 3 was great... It's when phase 4 came out that things went downhill incredibly fast. It's a shame people are not seeing it more clearly. They replaced a very liked character with a less charismatic variant and killed the other one all thogether.

[@marvelstarwarsfan8410]

Disney really destroys everything they touch!

[@michaelsimpson208]

@@marvelstarwarsfan8410 - Don't blame the company, it's always the lousy Executives!

[@Concealed.Revealed]

The love of money ... Is the root of all evil. RIP MVC series.

[@assassin8636]

​@@infamousstyles301exactly

[@AscendantStoic]

They would have actually made more money if they included the X-Men ... this is just sheer stupidity and ignorance.

[@TheRacingOtaku]

Yup, safe to say that Disney essentially ruins anything it touches with a 100-foot pole nowadays. Even its own IPs are unsafe.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

👍. Demoralizing, racebaiting, genderswapping, communist filth is what they specialize in now. All those old rumors about Disney slipping in subliminals in their classic films is true. Even the stories themselves are witchtales 👉 👹

[@StellarCosmicComet]

So true

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

I've never cared about superheros, Star wars was ruined before Disney got involved, but they are taking over everything lately. Maybe Disney is the Sith order? They'll charge me a lot for the Darth Elon (come on, it's obvious) end fight , and i'm not even a costumer.

[@oliveragag8576]

Especially it's own IPs.

[@michaeltaylor788]

No true at all .

[@shin-gokusatsu645]

MVC Players: (breathes) Disney: *That's it! NO X-MEN!!*

[@michaeltaylor788]

Disney had nothing’s to do with what happened to x-men.

[@OberynTheRedViper]

SF Players: Breathes CAPCOM making SF3 - THAT'S IT, NO SF2 Characters besides the two Shotos. Weird how the MVCI outrage was manufactured cap because SF 3 has the same "issue" but is lauded as one of the best entries in SF history.

[@Whienzarth]

Disney and Capcom: We've failed to make an amazing MvC roster The MvC3 Community: Fine,i'll do it myself.

[@Invidente7]

Taking away the merry mutants was a really terrible choice, among other misstakes.

[@michaelsimpson208]

AGREED 💯%!

[@kadosho02]

That decision made no sense. 🤦 Everything about Infinite was yikes

[@binhosmingos7356]

@Invidente7 This was also the time that Disney/Marvel wanted the Inhumans to replace the X-men. Around this time in the comics, they release the X-men vs Inhuman. They revealed that Terragen Mist (what awakens Inhumans’ power) was poisonous and kills Mutants & was spreading. They also made the X-men the villains in the war and there was other retcons like Scarlet Witch,Quick Sliver,Franklin Richards aren’t Mutants plus there was that awful Inhuman TV Show that was suppose to be a movie. Everyone saw through this bs and made Marvel/Disney go back and made it like it never happened. Glad we’re pass that era but sadly, MVC I was part of it and suffered greatly. I actually enjoyed and really like playing MVC I especially w/ new character including Capcom finally showing Darkstalker some love in forever with Jeddah Dohma being another playable Darkstalker rep than just Morgan.

[@EXPeepik]

​@@binhosmingos7356arent they doing the opposite now with ms marvel

[@michaeltaylor788]

@@binhosmingos7356no that was just some guy who no longer works for marvel now not Disney.

[@swillz1416]

I love how he said people don't remember the x men when a few weeks ago people were hyped to see Hugh Jackman come back as wolverine 😂😂.

[@krono5el]

wolverine isnt the X-Men.

[@hypsead.8978]

@@krono5el yea he is...

[@krono5el]

@@hypsead.8978 only for people who only seen the movies and know nothing about the X-Men.

[@Puangbro]

@@krono5el wolverine part of x-man just like ironman part of avenger.

[@krono5el]

@@Puangbro exactly he's apart of it not It. those movies are just pg wolvie movies.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

I'm so sad and upset we waited so long for a new Marvel vs Capcom title...just to be let down so HARD! It's a shame to believe we still haven't had another crossover with the 2 in 6 years!!!

[@michaelsimpson208]

If we had a effing time machine, they wouldn't started this mess we've had.... PERIOD!

[@el-kiote]

​@@michaelsimpson208yeah they would've.

[@TheRobotPenguin1]

Well, nothing lasts forever... 😢

[@erickl.7539]

And it won't happen anymore, Maximilian who has intel contacts with Capcom has said it many times whenever someone asks him about a Marvel 4.

[@austinreed7343]

There has been discussion about a CVS3/SVC2

[@astrobat1638]

Disney didn't even intend on keeping Infinite alive because they only saw it as promotional material for Infinity War. You could see how much Disney cared when you look at the collector's edition of the game. Besides the game received almost NO marketing. Disney thought that the game could be left unpatched because video game support costs money and they won't spare that. They also didn't want to add Xmen and Fantastic Four because Fox owned the film rights to the characters (Fox buying the rights prevented Marvel Comics from going bankrupt).

[@WokioWolfy]

Thing is, this game came way before Infinity War would happen.

[@mattkugelman4369]

⁠@@WokioWolfytrue but at this point it was definitely to hype it up early

[@artofajax7199]

@@mattkugelman4369 I feel like delaying the game by a couple months to coincide with Infinity War’s release would’ve been the better move, potentially allowing for additional polish in the process. Of course, if they went that route, Capcom would be dealing with the aftermath of DBFZ’s launch on top of SFV getting its Arcade Edition update, so it would’ve been a tough call.

[@BryonYoungblood]

Which is why they should have had some faith in Capcom and let them do what they could do rather than butting in in so many ways. Especially since Capcom had to fight so hard during the MVC3 games to get characters like Deadpool and X-23 into the mix. Sure, Disney has someone else in control of Marvel BUT they still own the publisher itself… so that says a lot!

[@XellosNi]

Imagine trying to convince someone people only enjoy Dan Hibiki because of his "function".

[@TopHatGamingManChannel]

LMAO!

[@cf8023]

I do. He got that awesome down back kick, son!

[@Birds_In_Crime]

I enjoy his function alright His function to make me laugh

[@Tommylop1982]

You forgot, one thing, one of the things that helped sealed marvel versus Capcom, infinite fate is the fact that Dragon Ball fighter Z came out less than a month later. And it retain all of the excitement that marvel versus Capcom two had.

[@dantevic]

it really as when DBFZ had its beta run it was very horrible and sometimes unplayable.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

Marvel at this time was trying to phase the X-Men out of their comics and replace them with the Inhumans, simply to spite Fox, and not advertise any characters that Marvel didn't own the movie rights to. They were doing the same with the Fantastic Four. They would release merchandise like T-shirts using old comic book art and would remove and replace X-Men and FF characters as if they had been in a photograph with Joseph Stalin.

[@danielcraig9666]

Hasbro weren't allowed to make X-Men or FF figures at this time either.

[@someguy1ification]

and the marvel f2p arpg was actually made to remove the f4 characters from it, after they had been obtainable for years. well, if you already had them you could still use them, but new accounts were entirely locked out.

[@armorbearer9702]

Disney : No one remembers X-men charecters. Wolverine: Am I a joke to you?! Whose face is that on previous games' cover bub?!

[@exaltedfalcheon1793]

Cyclops: I SHOOK HANDS WITH RYU! WHY DIDN'T I MAKE IT IN?!

[@truearea53]

Disney is an utter disgrace and have no idea how to run the franchises after being bought out. The popular crossover franchise is RUINED 😡

[@waifubreaks1572]

Magneto is one of the most iconic villains ever made lol.

[@mehlessmidori602]

I'm a 90's kid. I grew up with those X-Men movies. I had a Wolverine action figure and a glove with the claws out. Played Mutant Academy, both Legends games, and (regrettably) the DS version of Origins. I can't say I'm a big fan of Marvel but I was an avid enjoyer of the movie, games, and shows. And there are likely many people like that. No way you could make an excuse like that for the exclusion of X-Men characters.

[@krono5el]

sad but once those fox-men movies came out the x-men fell of the face of the earth and were never cool again. now i guess the avengers are cool these days... idk.

[@redbigun]

​@@krono5elThat's not true at all.

[@Zanollo5]

@@redbigun it is the true, kiddo . Accept facts, not just your personal opinion.

[@assassin8636]

​@Zanollo5 that's what you all want to say

[@Zanollo5]

@@assassin8636 try again, in English, please

[@TheOldest]

Disney just doesn't know how to operate in the video game landscape. They see it's profitable and know they have IPs that could prosper if done well but they consistently screw it up. Honestly they need need a Kevin Feige for video games to save them at this point.

[@jbbrolic]

It's interesting to think about what games like Avengers (where Square were forced to make a Ms Marvel game) could have been without egregious interference by Disney.

[@danielcraig9666]

​@@jbbrolicThe inclusion of Ms Marvel in everything is purely because the eventual President of Marvel was Ms Marvel creator Sana Amanat who got massive royalty checks every tine that character appear3d in everything so she ordered her to be in everything.

[@sora4440]

Tbf, modern Disney doesn't know how to operate period. They ruined Star Wars, They ruined MvC, and personally I put alot of the blame on Disney for ruining Kingdom Hearts. Kingdom Hearts has no Final Fantasy characters and MvCI has no mutants. X-Men were the foundation of the series and Final Fantasy Characters were a big reason why ppl got into Kingdom Hearts. Excluding both from their most recent games was an awful decision which was driven by greed and promotion of Disney properties over others...

[@CeJAZZ]

As someone in the crowd watching UMvC3 at EVO today, the number one thought that ran through my mind was, "Look at this, Disney. LOOK AT ALL THIS. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE FUCKING UP WITH. This is what you're missing out on."

[@mikehurt3290]

That's sad that the newer game is so bad that they are using older games for competitions

[@spectrumbots4268]

I enjoy Capcom's portrayal of MARVEL, particularly in the first four MVC games. Their Animesque art style for the MARVEL characters is intriguing, although the comic book style in MVC3/UMVC3 is also impressive.

[@Megageoe]

Back when Capcom created the likes of X-Men COTA and MSH, Marvel wasn't as controlling. Capcom chose obscure characters such as Shuma Gorath and Blackheart for MSH. When MvC3 was being developed things had changed -- Marvel said no to Juggernaut and Blackheart; they directed Capcom to use Dormammu as a Blackheart substitute (Shuma Gorath was relegated as a DLC character). And of course you can see in Top Hat Gaming's video what happened by the time Infinite was being developed.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

👍. Losing Juggernaut hurts so much 😥

[@PhenomsServant4]

It couldve been worse. Capcom had to fight hard to get characters like Deadpool and Wolverine in.

[@esmooth919]

To be fair, i actually liked Dormammu because he reminded me of Blackheart, but i had never heard of him previously.

[@redbigun]

With how Marvel treated the X-Men and Fantastic Four over some film rights, it's clear now that Marvel went from a comic book company that make movies on the side to a movie company that happens to make comic books once in a while.

[@loonytunescrazy]

I want to see the X-Men and Ff in more games now Lego Marvel 2 was fun but missing the FF and X-Men

[@austinreed7343]

Furthermore, how they treated the Eternals after the movie.

[@TheBlackOtaku]

I blame marvel and Disney for the downfall for this game. Also people go play mugen Marvel vs Capcom X because that game kicks so much ass

[@truearea53]

Your right about Mugen. When the producers closes the door, mugen opens the new door of salvation 👍

[@user-lo7yi4pg3z]

You are comparing a horrible, official game with a fan game that reuse assets but modified

[@MikuruX]

I'm surprised that you've never mentioned the fact that the game was supposed to have had around 60 or so characters which was brought to life by UMVC3 Evo Champ Ryan "Filipino Champ" Ramirez due to him having multiple devkit versions of game which he showed off on stream (this in turn got him a C&D from Capcom). A lot of stuff from characters, stages, & costumes never made it in because of how bad this game bombed.

[@artofajax7199]

At the very least, it seemed like Infinite was in a position where it could’ve been able to bounce back through future updates and DLC, much like SFV did. I guess given the game’s reputation, Capcom just wanted to move on and prioritize SFV.

[@someguy1ification]

and how the dlc was listed as "season 1"... with no season 2.

[@austinreed7343]

@@artofajax7199 It seems like the Capcom Cup/CFN is still set to support more than one game; so given how well SF6 did I'm sure we'll get another; SvC Chaos 2: This Time Capcom Does It, X-Men Vs. Capcom: Making Up For Infinite, Street Fighter vs. Capcom, or whatever. Of course, if they do a non-competitive game like USF2 then all bets are off. There's also the possibility of whatever happens being a platform fighter instead, though.

[@redrussell2159]

One of the biggest problems with Marvel vs Capcom: infinite was the disrespect they did to the Capcom characters

[@esmooth919]

Among a plethora of issues.

[@MaveriKat]

Capcom's depiction of the X-Men, is definitely superior.

[@KEN-1991]

They even got the superpowers right, compared to the film versions.

[@zkaine7083]

@@KEN-1991 I mean, Capcom really does some quality stuff, when they care. But I always felt like they treated other company properties with a lot of respect. Unless there is something I don't know about.

[@Jsslade]

Shame we're extremely likely to never see them ever again. Not even as cameos.

[@austinreed7343]

@@Jsslade But hey, we’ll get Iori but he plays just like Wolverine, Athena but she plays just like Magneto, etc.

[@TheAuraRealm]

"If you really think about it, these characters are just functions. They are just doing things..."

[@theAshesofDecember1]

I could be wrong on this, but I’m pretty sure the initial launch of mvc3 occurred before the sale of marvel went through. Development certainly occurred before the dust settled. Pretty sure the official sale occurred after the initial launch and before the ultimate version, hence why it was truncated with just a handful of new characters and no further updates. Disney started killing the franchise all the way back then by choking off what could’ve been a more expansive version of the third game

[@michaeltaylor788]

That was not Disney doing they said they don’t tell comics what to do .

[@danielcraig9666]

​@@michaeltaylor788Then why was it also happening with Hasbro and the X-Men action figures at the same time?

[@mikehurt3290]

That make sense I doubt Disney would had allowed Deadpool if they fully owned it then

[@arinthium4018]

These lines were from the last great MvC game "I'll make you WISH you were facing Magneto" "Doom answers to NO ONE, not even a so-called "spirit of vengeance!"

[@walterlucero5757]

Let's not forget about the physical "Infinite Easter Eggs" that came with the collectors edition of MvC: Infinite! Since Disney is short on money currently, I think it's a good time for them to call Capcom, apologize profusely, and come up with a Marvel Fighting Collection (with Alien vs Predator, even if it's Dark Horse Comics) to "test to see" if there's fan interest in MvC 4.

[@mattkugelman4369]

Oh they’ll never do that, one thing about Disney you have you remember is that when comes to failure they are too stubborn to admit they goofed

[@nigralurker]

To be perfectly fair regarding the favoritism toward reps tie in for MCU: Marvel Vs games in the 90's were filled with Xmen characters for the very reason why Infinite had a lot of characters that were popular due to the MCU. In the 90's, Xmen were all the rage and peaked in absolute popularity, the entire Marvel cast lineup always favored them over everyone else including even the likes of Spiderman. This is why the Xmen always had a significant hold on the Vs titles. Even in Marvel Vs Capcom 2: 18 out of the 28 characters that represented Marvel were from the Xmen comics, and two of which were just variations of Wolverine.

[@sora4440]

The difference being they added characters that were popular back then and with MvCI they added characters they wanted to push. The quote about why Captain Marvel was included was disgusting and proves that they didn't care about who was popular just who they wanted to push to advertise for the MCU...

[@ColeFam]

Having X in the game was so cool, but man, they dropped the ball. I really hate how in the cutscenes, X and Zero kinda just hobble around. I get that they have big, unnatural legs, but this is a video game.

[@artofajax7199]

I think motion capture was used for the game’s story mode cutscenes, if the game’s credits are anything to go by (mentions an MC studio as well as the people working on that front). In-game, you can tell the animations are more natural for these characters since they were done from scratch.

[@ColeFam]

@artofajax7199 I was actually thinking that. Mo-cap using bulky prop legs to match the character designs. I get it, but it's still baffling!

[@artofajax7199]

@@ColeFam I agree, it certainly looks odd given how these models are stylized and weren’t designed with motion capture in mind, with some cases more noticeable than others.

[@atomicskull6405]

The fact that Dragonball FighterZ came out at the same time and was everything that players had wanted from MVC that Infinite wasn't didn't help things either. I would love to have been a fly on wall at Capcom when the FighterZ trailer dropped they must have been like "oh. crap." Speaking of which Capcom really should hire Arc System Works to do Darkstalkers IV.

[@truearea53]

Yep. And what’s really interesting is DBFZ is still alive and well 👍

[@PhenomsServant4]

Kinda mixed on that. ArcSys would do great with Darkstalkers IV but given how well SF6 turned out I kind want to see how an RE Engine made Darkstalkers IV would turn out. Darkstalkers seems like the fighting game series that was made to have an RE Engine made game.

[@artofajax7199]

@@PhenomsServant4 All I hope is that Capcom is able to give Darkstalkers time to flourish instead of it being sandwiched between other releases.

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

​@@artofajax7199Wait, are the Devs actually in talks to revive the series? If so, great as SF6 doing well should give them some confidence.

[@artofajax7199]

@@ThatGuy-ky2yf Not that I know of. I feel that with the success of SF6 and Capcom's recent fighting game collection, they'll consider bringing Darkstalkers back. I just hope they do it right.

[@MickeyDee]

I'll never forget how Capcom, initially , designed their most popular character, Chun Li. That was horrible

[@arbetor12]

Blame them reusing the mvc 3 model in a style it wasn't built for Which was due to a lack of funds and Disney not helping out. Blame Disney

[@truearea53]

And also Morrigan. She’s supposed to look lovely and NOT a hideous looking alien lizard 😂

[@shaqthegr8884]

That what's happen when your game before dosent sale (SFV), your partner is cheap and dosent care about the game but just to promote his upcoming movies

[@dantevic]

​MVCI came out before SFV

[@shaqthegr8884]

@@dantevic SFV came in early 2016 , MVCI in late 2017

[@sixlenses1708]

I cannot believe he tried to justify why the x men aren't in the game. Function characters are you kidding me? I hope he was grilled for that one.

[@shaqthegr8884]

He didn't have a choice. He couldn't throw Disney under the bus because they thought they could at least recoup and do another game.

[@sixlenses1708]

@@shaqthegr8884 I get it, but sometimes Disney needs to be checked.

[@shaqthegr8884]

@@sixlenses1708 in the end , they kind being check . They could make a lot of easy money in fighting games now (it's reliving a renaissance in that genre ) if they give the IP to Capcom but Capcom will never work with them again how they behave in the development of MVCI

[@Eyes-Scream0213]

Removing all X-Men characters is the worst thing they did. I remember on the launch date the game is already dead on arrival. Though I still bought the game that time because I love the fact that they added X and Zero on the same game which are my favorites.

[@DarkZerol]

It's because X-Men was still owned by 20th Century Fox at that time and Disney have a strict policy of not marketing or giving free publicity to Marvel characters and settings owned by existing competitors because why would they? Another major factor was that the game budget was small with Capcom fully funding somewhere like 80-90% of the game development budget with the rest being Disney and Sony whom primary contributed with the marketing budget. The switch to 3D didn't really help the development process either due to MvCI being the first fully 3D rendered MvC game, which means the every character models and animations have to be done from scratch which further ate through the already miniscule budget for something like a fully licensed AAA fighting game. I primary blame Capcom on their part because they wanted to fully cash-in on the upcoming highly anticipated Avengers: Infinity War movie thus rushed to develop a new MvC title.

[@joelhardaway1143]

I missed the days where Disney didn’t get their greedy hands on every IP and then eventually ruin them.

[@TheFYI1]

Hello from Germany! Did you know in our coutr Disdn

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Judging with how bad things are going at Disney it seems like they're planning on selling things

[@pauloliver3129]

​@@ImmaLittlePipthey reap what they sow

[@dcfanproductions]

the X-Men built this franchise, and they just took them away

[@KEN-1991]

X-Men: "YA KNOW HOW MUCH WE SACRIFICED!?!"

[@TheStriderSyd]

Yeah I totally agree that the real reason that the MARVEL roster in MvC:I sucked, really was all because of MOVIE RIGHTS.

[@Outlawkk]

If I'm not mistaken, the Infinity Stones were a callback to the Marvel Superheroes fighting game from the 90s.

[@artofajax7199]

You are correct. The original Marvel Super Heroes featured the Infinity Stones as a gameplay mechanic, with Power, Time, Mind, and Reality functioning the same way there as they do in Infinite. The two outliers were Space and Soul, which boosted defense and simply recovered HP respectively.

[@lyrabelacqua4120]

Disney infinity actually wasn’t a financial failure. Disney just actually wanted money that was equal to other games at the time such as call of duty and fifa.

[@tonywong8134]

I know dis handicapped Capcom in terms of roster availability, but what the heck was stopping Capcom from introducing new characters from their own library?

[@lesleyblackvelvet7647]

I think the budget is what happened.

[@KindredEmotions]

MvC Infinite should’ve just been renamed MCU vs Capcom because that’s really all it was. Though to be fair, MVC3 didn’t get it right the first time around either but at least UMVC3 sort of made up for it even if it was the game it should’ve been at the start.

[@joey5745]

Even the tournament for this game got botched with the Infinity Stones Tournament, what a disaster!!

[@Enzo575]

We might see another marvel vs Capcom announcement, after Marvel's "Secret Wars" movie.

[@joey5745]

Also Dragon Ball FighterZ came out at the same time and had a much better presentation and it helped kill this game,

[@JMFabiano]

MvC2 was great....though I used to miss win quotes and endings.

[@datguybrandon9683]

🎶🎵IT WAS DIS-NEY ALLLL ALONNNNNGGG!!!🎶🎶🎶🎵

[@bhlakbatosai]

Well played sir with the Wandavision callback👏😂

[@dingo535]

No need to throw Peter under the bus, he’s the last person to blame for this game’s failure.

[@artofajax7199]

While I think he could’ve worded his response a bit better, I imagine Peter would’ve gotten in trouble with Marvel/Disney even if he said something like: “We’ve got our hands tied at the moment, but we’ll see.”

[@rodgerelledge4151]

Nope, he deserves the bus ride. Lying about no one remembering the X-men and people liked certain characters because they had a dash. Come on bruh.

[@garybailey1251]

Besides Spider-Man, X-Men is the most enjoyable and marketable of Marvel's creations.

[@robytrice22]

Honestly I doubt the series is dead. With Ono gone from Capcom and Ike gone from Disney and the major secess of SF6 I believe MVC4 will be a thing again

[@Jsslade]

Yeah. Pretty much every MVC game was disliked at first for one reason or another but after a few years folks warmed up to it. Hopefully the same will happen here so we'll get a true MVC4.

[@thetrib1]

@@Jsslade i'm hoping as well. I hope it's epic.

[@Jsslade]

Now that I think about it, it seems that my argument is actually a double-edged sword. Something tells me Infinite may have flopped a little too big and led to Disney permanently ending their Capcom adventures.

[@austinreed7343]

@@JssladeYeah, but Capcom vs. Something Else is always an option; a CvS3 with MvC gameplay for example, or Capcom All-Stars.

[@williehawkinsii4845]

I found it most ridiculous that Sigma was a pre-order bonus even though he was literally half of the main boss

[@ryanm.8720]

It still isn’t as bad as ‘Street Fighter X Tekken’, where 5 of the 6 Street Fighter DLC characters were already available for free in ‘Super Street Fighter 4’. While ‘SFV’ and ‘SF6’ also locked returning fighters under a paywall, they were at least made from scratch rather than copy-pasted.

[@williehawkinsii4845]

@@ryanm.8720 that can only be compared to the Street Fighter 5 characters who what in the story mode but was still DLC characters and unlike the other examples you given Sigma was a central character in the story who had absolutely no business being DLC in the first place

[@artofajax7199]

@@williehawkinsii4845 Black Panther and Monster Hunter also apply to this, there was an entire scene dedicated to them in the story mode, alongside the Wakanda mashup stage being in the base game.

[@irregularhunter0586]

It's so sad X was put in this train wreck of a MvC. At least we go Zero for Tatsunoko Vs Capcom and MvC3.

[@austinreed7343]

And SVC Chaos.

[@gamerwes75]

I was just looking up a video on this game yesterday hoping you covered it but looks like I just had to wait a day

[@bigcade554]

The DLC having more Marvel characters than Capcom ones bugged me too, on top of all the other issues. Really felt like the Capcom crew were playing second fiddle so as to promote the MCU more.

[@TCPolecat]

I would make a minor correction here. It was greed, but mostly because any game that would have X-men in it would require Disney to work with Fox, and neither were willing to give up their stake. And, at the time, Disney was actively trying to KILL all the mutant related content in Marvel because Fox refused to sell back to Disney (and their few offers to sell it back were obscenely expensive). So the greed was on Disney AND Fox there.... with Capcom having to make excuses as they were caught in the middle.

[@redbigun]

Disney had the rights to everything except the X-Men and Fantastic Four film rights.

[@michaeltaylor788]

That was joy Disney that was other people marvel who were in charge of marvel at the time.

[@Flashshadow]

As much as I gripe about this game I can at least appreciate the Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes characters reprising their roles one last time…

[@artofajax7199]

That is an aspect I feel like a lot of people don’t appreciate, even if you can tell Brian Bloom (Captain America) and Eric Loomis (Iron Man) are a little past their prime in terms of line delivery.

[@Flashshadow]

@@artofajax7199 I suppose it has been over a decade since they voiced their characters… 🤔

[@krono5el]

Thank the gaming gods that MvC2 is perfection and we can always enjoy it.

[@Kyle-gj6oc]

I don’t think excluding the X-Men was a mistake if they introduced and brought back a lot more new and fan favorite characters like Jin Saotome, Captain Commando, Gill, and Star Lord. They brought back so many boring characters that didn’t really have a fan following like Spencer, Nova, Arthur, and Captain Marvel. From a leaker supposedly there was DLC planned that would bring back the X-Men and new cool characters like Gill but were cancelled because of the terrible negative reception.

[@espring6113]

The one thing I hated about Disney was that it was trying to make everything about the infinity stones and everything had to follow like marvel vs capcom infinite and ultimate alliance 3 where they just felt like cash grabs because of mainstream movies. And the moment Marvel's avengers, Guardians and even Midnight suns came out they were treated as garbage because they were not based off of the infinity stones.

[@LobsterPuncher]

The most frustrating part to me is how much potential this game still had. The bones are there, the gameplay is solid, the roster that made it are mostly good and the story mode was surprisingly fun. But the lack of X Men and the dreadfully boring stages are just unforgivable.

[@marcusbullock2753]

All the budget has been to the story and even that wasn't all great. Cool concepts in it sure but nothing paid off in the end

[@redrussell2159]

It also this was during the time they kept trying to push Carol Danvers Captain Marvel as the biggest and most powerful Marvel character

[@SAPProd]

Despite my issues with Capcom in regard to their franchises, I always give them a pass regarding Marvel since obviously they don’t own the IPs and are subject to their demands. Capcom’s employees are on record as being fans of Marvel ever since Akiman would import and translate comics and pass them around the office, which led to them seeking out the then-cheap Marvel licenses in the mid-90s as they were close to bankruptcy. Obviously Capcom couldn’t throw Marvel under the bus, but the “Functions” statement was deservedly lambasted (as well as the “fans don’t know X-Men” statement). A BETTER excuse would be “Marvel’s a company with so many IPs that have yet to be featured in games and this is a chance for them to shine. Unfortunately, not everyone can be used and sacrifices have to be made, but we hope these classic characters will be as well received as the fan favorites have been, just as the Iron Man film boosted Iron Man’s popularity.” See? Ain’t hard to do without trashing things. One last piece of hilarity, in Matt Leone’s Like A Hurricane: An Unofficial Oral History of Street Fighter II, former Capcom USA employee Alex Jimenez admits to advising Capcom not to pursue the Dragon Ball license because it would not be popular in the West (this was 1993), and that it would be like making a Spider-Man or X-Men game, which likely wouldn’t sell well outside of where it was popular (and global popularity was key in their strategy).

[@Gure_Shimo]

Subspace emissary was great tho, and they didn't even talk.

[@blove88]

Thank Ike Perlmutter. Because, this is mostly his fault. He was the one who gave Marvel the edict to blackball the X-Men and Fantastic Four in comics and other mediums so Fox couldn't make any money off of them. MvCi was a big casualty of that.

[@seanchan4478]

Disney seems to be doing that a lot lately

[@navihey]

I knew the game woyld be half assed when I saw in one of the trailers of how Iron Man's Iron Avenger engulfed only HALF of X's figure

[@Marc_Araujo]

I really want Capcom vs. SNK 3 on the PS5.

[@truearea53]

Let’s hope capcom and SNK teams up for a 3 sequel.

[@austinreed7343]

@@truearea53If they do I hope you like something more akin to the MvC games than the first two.

[@davantebarbain3216]

FUN FACT the xmen could've been in the mcu as early captain America winter soldier but marvel studios shot themselves in the foot by adding scarlet witch and quicksilver in the end credits because at the time marvel and fox were in negotiations to sell marvel the xmen but then they saw what marvel did and ended negotiations

[@VinceCrim]

What platform and settings is this being streamed from? I’m playing MVC2 with scanlines and this video makes me feel like I could do better.

[@zZiL341yRj736]

Well remember where it came from, X-Men. You can't have MvC with out X-Men.

[@DarkZerol]

It's because X-Men was still owned by 20th Century Fox at that time and Disney have a strict policy of not marketing or giving free publicity to Marvel characters and settings owned by existing competitors because why would they? Another major factor was that the game budget was small with Capcom fully funding somewhere like 80-90% of the game development budget with the rest being Disney and Sony whom primary contributed with the marketing budget. The switch to 3D didn't really help the development process either due to MvCI being the first fully 3D rendered MvC game, which means the every character models and animations have to be done from scratch which further ate through the already miniscule budget for something like a fully licensed AAA fighting game. I primary blame Capcom on their part because they wanted to fully cash-in on the upcoming highly anticipated Avengers: Infinity War movie thus rushed to develop a new MvC title.

[@Flashshadow]

I probably would’ve been more lenient about the lack of X-men characters and Fantastic Four antagonists if they at least leaned more into the lesser known Avengers members and foes, or even more of the cosmic/space characters. But, nope. We essentially just got MCU vs Capcom… 😔

[@MegamanNG]

It upsets me how Disney can ruin something so good and YET, they had the gall to blame Capcom for it's failure. Thing is, I preodered Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite because I was hoping that the game would be good. It was good. Don't get me wrong. The gameplay was absolutely solid. The problem was the roster and sure, there was some good ones but the Marvel side of the roster focused more towards the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There were multiple reasons for it's failure. The first was the roster, especially on the Marvel side. Many of the characters are those that were in the MCU. Some were new and interesting but the rest were just okay. The Capcom side was acceptable but it could have been better. There was going to be DLC for it where more characters were added but it was scrapped due to the game failing. The second was the bitter rivalry between Disney and FOX over the film licenses. Previous entries had characters from the X-Men and Fantastic Four (Super Skrull). And Disney, realizing that if the X-Men was added, it would be promotion for Fox. So they meddled and had the roster changed so that FOX wouldn't get any promotion whatsoever. That hurt the game. The third was... Dragon Ball FighterZ. That game, developed by Arc System Works and published by Bandai Namco had a familiar yet awesome roster along with gameplay similar to Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and 3. People flocked to that game and I was one of them. As a result, MvC:I suffered and suffered hard. It was such a failure that Disney/Marvel and Capcom blamed each other for the game's failure. Honestly, both are to blame. Disney/Marvel because of their meddling and obsession with the McU and Capcom for not putting enough of an effort to make the game any better. Hell, you can't even stream the game directly via PS4/PS5 because the story mode was just outright blocked. You know it's bad when that happens. I said my two cents. I reviewed it and gave it a 5 out of 10. A game that could have been great but it's potential was wasted. Well done THGM. #Liked

[@kojikabuto8426]

This Series ended for me with Marvel Vs Capcom 3 We can play the 2D colorful games forever what followed aint it anymore

[@antinonsense7570]

Remember Fox HAD rights. Disney didn't have XMen, but Disney didn't want to bargain at that time. So yeah copyright issues. Combofiend, by the way, had to do that for PR purposes, because it was Lord Disney told them so.

[@eyezonly8593]

Don't mess with the X-Men

[@lennywright5655]

Marvel vs Capcom Infinite is, underrated, mechanically underappreciated, and deserves every bit of heat it gets and more.

[@mckstellar1005]

The reason xmen weren't allowed was because fox studios owned the rights to the movies and Disney were on a mission to exclude them from any games and only let there comics be made(tho they limited them) because it was one of the few money makers for them. While Sony owns the right to Spiderman in games *and* movies so they probably licensed him from Sony themselves.

[@mattkugelman4369]

Actually marvel also owns the rights to spider man games, they just let Sony borrow it

[@michaeltaylor788]

Disney said they don’t tell comics what to do what happened to the x-men in comics was the people in charge of the storyline fault.

[@mckstellar1005]

@@mattkugelman4369 I could have sworn Sony owned the games rights? I could be mistaken about that though and it was just something I assumed because of the ps4+5 games being console launch exclusives

[@mckstellar1005]

@@michaeltaylor788 and Disney is straight up lying and mvc infinite is a perfect example of it

[@mattkugelman4369]

@@mckstellar1005 yeah no I get it, it’s confusing at first until you remember that spider man was in both ultimate alliance 3 and midnight suns, and the many mobile marvel games

[@VictorHernandez-nj2lo]

Please do videos on mortal kombat 3 (& UMK3), Tekken 2, DOA2, & Soul Calibur 3. As well as videos on SNK's World Heroes Series, the Godzilla fighting games, the Blazblue series, Primal Rage, Mace The Dark Age, Sonic The Fighters, & Pokken Tournament

[@miggypeso909]

World Heroes would be awesome,maybe even an Eternal Champions review.

[@barcodebattlermuseum651]

Top Hat Gaming Man, please let me know if you're still interested in the Street FIghter 2 cards for the Barcode Battler II. I have the scans ready to send and the translations into English will be ready in a matter of days!

[@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0]

Disney kills MVC Infinite into nonsense colorless death. Too much lacking around, japanese voice addition didn't have it. I blame it Disney and Marvel the game become into junk, and their greed!

[@artofajax7199]

The decision to not include Japanese voiceover (at least for the Capcom side) is particularly odd to me considering that the game was developed in Japan. If anything, it proves that Infinite’s time and budget constraints only allowed for one round of voice acting, and English was chosen since the MVC series is more popular in America.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

Yeah I was BIG letdown by the premature cancellation of MvCI. The classic costume dlc skins look great, especially being able to turn insufferable Capt Marvel into Miss Marvel 👍👍. The game was just missing too many classic characters.... the X-Men cast + Fantastic Four characters. Dr Doom is massively popular and MvC3 had Super Skrull. Would have been badass to finally have the F4 main cast in an MvC game! Disney was already in the process of acquiring Fox in 2017, so their decisions on this game's roster are complete trash. They also made Capcom pay 75% of the dev cost while controlling 50% of the roster.... I HATE Disney 😬👎

[@axeltank06]

Wow, that guy was actually being serious @14:58.

[@teckzilla108]

Sadly once again The Captain Marvel character in this game is hot doodoo. They could have given us Black Panther or Venom for free and made Captain Marvel a DLC. I mean Gamorra/Chu Li or Black Widow are a better lead female characters in this game

[@preplocc]

Wish the old school people made games again. Used to be about the fans.

[@4666raptor]

these kind of idiots are running these teams & making decisions everywhere right now trying to kill off the old stuff. its crazy

[@4666raptor]

exellent video too by the way! thanks

[@registereduser]

What was Peter Rosas supposed to say? Who was signing his paychecks at the time? I’m just saying, he was probably towing the company line. Don’t be too brutal.

[@mcleod56ify]

As soon as they took away the 3v3 I knew something was up but I was a blind I was like Disney can’t mess this up right right?

[@artofajax7199]

Infinite is a game I have a very conflicted relationship with. On one hand, there's a lot of things it does wrong. The bland visuals (minus some pretty good particle effects courtesy of Unreal Engine 4), ho-hum character roster and undercooked story mode have been nagged on to death, and for good reason. I feel like a lot of people don't nag on the sound design enough, namely the lack of a satisfying "oomph" that comes with landing your attacks. The voice direction also applies to this, since characters either sound tired/worn out (Spencer, Chris, Iron Man, Hulk being examples) or are trying WAY too hard to the point where it sounds like they're straining themselves (Particularly Morrigan, Captain Marvel, Nova, and Dante). Obviously, I mean no disrespect to the VA's or the director since I'm sure they did their best with what they were given. Yet at the same time, there's a lot of things I really like about Infinite; namely the tag system. There's something uniquely satisfying about the way it works, and how you can maximize synergy between both characters. I personally always found high-level matches of Infinite to be more fun to watch than UMVC3 (shocking, I know). The Infinity Stones are also a neat mechanic that lets you approach fights in different ways (e.g. using Reality Stone to give a grappler character some range, or using Space Stone to lure opponents into traps/mixups). While not perfect, I think it's a great way to allow for some experimentation and depth to the core gameplay. The few newcomers we got in Infinite deserve a shout-out as well because I found them to be really fun to watch and play as. Mega Man X was the fan-favorite who finally got his chance to shine here; being a unique take on a fundies/shoto character with an onslaught of projectile attacks. Jedah Dohma was a welcomed inclusion with some sick mixups, and an EXCELLENT portrayal by the legendary David Kaye (One of the few truly great voice performances in this game, alongside Chris Tergliafera as Sigma and Scott Porter as Winter Soldier). Gamora is one of my favorite rushdown characters in any fighting game ever thanks to her "Arc-Gun" loops and mobility, and the list goes on and on. I could talk about the newcomers all day (even the DLC fighters, which were all great even if it ended up making the roster lopsided), but yeah, it's great. There's a reason why a lot of people are taking the time to mod these characters into UMVC3 (they did so with Ultron, X, Captain Marvel, and Monster Hunter if i recall correctly), so I hope they come back in a future installment. But to make a long ramble short, that's just how I feel with this game. It's got problems; big ones that harmed its chances of becoming something legendary, but I feel like people should revisit this one for what it does right.

[@NovaBlazerZX]

I'm with you. I love the tag system in the game so so much. You can make so many unique combos with your preferred tag partner. It's just fun to lab. I think the stones were a neat idea, but could've been better implemented and given more unique mechanics to buff certain characters, or at least make type buffs a thing. I love the inclusion of X and Sigma, as a Zero fan. Ultron is my favorite Marvel villain. There were even cool inclusions like Venom returning, Jedah, and Monster Hunter.

[@Jsslade]

Honestly I just play it for X, Venom and Jedah

[@austinreed7343]

Yeah, hopefully Jedah gets some of Venom's moves in CvS3 (or maybe Neo Dio/Geo Geegus cuz they're liquidy too)

[@TevyaSmolka]

The x-men are personally my favorite team In marvel comics and to see them not in this game is just wrong and mess up on so many levels it isn’t even funny but just sad and depressing.

[@mujiha]

One sad thing is that corporate interest has severely reduced the chances of something like this ever happening again. The last holdout is Iniustice.

[@blackstarafro2]

The series was ruined when 3 came out. Infinite was just the nail in the coffin ⚰️

[@M1d32]

The way they handled this whole situation was criminal 😢😢

[@jimiperlas3215]

Just imagine a new MVC game simply just titled "Marvel vs. Capcom" powered by RE Engine with new gameplay mechanics & features & featuring rosters like Ryu, Chun-Li, Leon Kennedy, Megaman, Nero, Morrigan, Captain America, Iron Man, Wolverine, Spider-man, Cyclops & Psylocke. I'm so down with Capcom if they reboot MvC. PS: In reality, Disney wouldn't want that because they hate success & busy destroying whatever's left of Walt Disney, Stan Lee & George Lucas's legacy.

[@thetrib1]

"PS: In reality, Disney wouldn't want that because they hate success & busy destroying whatever's left of Walt Disney,..." go check the numbers. also go check when marvel was bought and star wars was bought. let me know if you can be unbiased with what you've found.

[@MrMartellSincere]

Disney ruined marvel

[@david2727]

No fanboys did.

[@ZenKrio]

Funny thing is, I thought Capcoms Roster was the garbage side, I could at least see why Disney wanted the cast on their side for MvCI, they weren't selling XMen and FF movies, so for them to attempt to cut them in favor of Black Panther and others was fair, but there were a lot of injustices here. A Starlord character that played a lot like Captain Commando, summoning the other guardians, would have been a perfect. I know a lot of games do DLC packs that we know of before the games release, but to have these characters show up in game? It didn't sit well with me. Sigma and Black Panther should have been playable day 1 as an example. Capcom to essentially copy paste some of the worst ugliest characters on their side, like Nemesis and Firebrand, when they could have and actual characters. On top of that, when you do just Copy and Paste cast members and their moves? You SHOULDN'T have a smaller roster than the last game. At least with Mortal Kombat, they change the entire way a character plays in between games, but here, all returning characters were just the same as they were in MvC3, so why was the cast smaller? And not just smaller, A LOT SMALLER. The comments made to defend the exclusion of the characters we loved though, was the main reason why I didn't buy the game. Characters are not just "Functions".

[@miggypeso909]

Why they left out most the Darkstalkers and never used any Red Earth characters I’ll never understand. They fit the aesthetic better than Arthur and the mega man characters. I just wanted Wolverine vs Jon Talbain.

[@NovaBlazerZX]

Because noone knows what Red Earth even is lol. Pretty sure people would rather play beloved Megaman characters who have way more variety of moves in a roster full of crazy characters.

[@artofajax7199]

In a game where sinew and steel are at war with each other, I’d reckon characters like Captain Commando, Jin Saotome, and Hayato Kanzaki would’ve been perfect fits.

[@miggypeso909]

@@NovaBlazerZX yeah, cuz everyone knows who Son Son and Ruby Heart are…..dude marvel used Shuma Gorath,who is as obscure as it gets for a marvel character. Matter of fact,he’s known better from the game than one comic he was in. They could’ve used lion man with a sword and nunchuck werewolf . It would of definitely looked cooler.

[@miggypeso909]

@@artofajax7199 see you get it. Cap definitely works.

[@the757general2]

@@miggypeso909 those characters were the exception not the rule. Mega Man has over 100 games and is way more known them some obscure Red Earth.

[@TheDoDoGuy]

How can that guy say people forgot x men and will know captain marvel is insane just idk what he said is just dumb