MARVEL WHAT IF: Infinity Stones Plot Holes Finally Explained!

[@Revanaught]

Here's my thought on why zombie thanos went to wakanda instead of Camp Lehigh. Thanos got zombied and was thus no longer looking for the mind stone. He was looking for the people. Where were there the most alive people? Wakanda? How'd he know that? Soul stone. Bam. Plot hole fixed.

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

that makes the most sense out of all the theories.

[@roberttucker8781]

Plus Thanos loved the members of the dark order as his children too

[@gentlesnot1864]

@@roberttucker8781 i dont think so

[@lucymiller3900]

@@gentlesnot1864 he got sad when Squidward died, he didn't love them as much as Gamora and Nebula, but he did care for them, remember, MCU Thanos believed he was a hero

[@PansyPops]

Yeah, but Thanos has so many ships and abilities to travel through the universe. Why would he not be able to travel throughout the universe to more populated planets. Knowing extra terrestrial beings (Thanos, his army, the children of Thanos) can be transformed, and he would go to the most populated place, what would stop him from trying to get to a highly populated planet?

[@AmarKelkar]

What if the TVA stones only didn’t work because the timelines they were taken from were pruned?

[@sophialucero6197]

INTERESTING 😦🔥

[@henryzuniga6529]

You might be right

[@federalexpressman9762]

I always thought it was the same thing that prevents Loki and other beings from using their powers inside the TVA, not necessarily the stones not working in other realities. That's a rule only established in the comics.

[@cre8ivoutlet]

Right

[@Problemsolver434]

Magic doesn't work in the TVA. That's all. The stones work in other timelines

[@Moshuun]

Maybe because Ultra-Vision is one with the Mind stone, he can can communicate differently with the other stones & get them to work. Plus, UV isn’t using a gauntlet, the stones are part of his entire being, so, its possibly a bypass? I don’t know. 🤕😵‍💫

[@JoshuaStDenis]

They're in his armour, much like a gauntlet, there isn't much difference there, except the mind stone.

[@grahamcrackergaming2000]

@@JoshuaStDenis but that armor was part of him bc he was using the nanotechnology before he even had the stones he just needed the armor to actually hold them and I do think it could be a matter of ultranationalist being one with the stones bc they stated in the mcu that the stones gives off frequencies that are almost like “brains” so ultron being a code embedded into the stone and vice versa it would allow him to do more things than thanos could since thanks could just “feel” their power while ultron became ONE with the power which is why they needed “to separate the stones form the body”

[@dante2037]

Paraphrasing from another top comment that I think got it right. The sacred timeline can be pictured as a forest of trees wound together. Each tree is its own universe with its own branches. What If explores some of the branches from our MCU tree, so infinity stones that are part of the same tree can work in other branches of the tree, but probably wouldn't work on an entirely different tree. We haven't seen anything from another tree so we don't known the answer yet. The stones in the TVA didn't work because their branches had been pruned and no longer exist so there is nothing to give the stones power.

[@darkraihs]

i tihnk the stones just dont work in tva, but work everywhere else

[@lior763]

I think only the mind stone is part of vision / uv cuz the body of vision made with and cannot work without it. But about the rest stones, they could pluged out without any damage to him actually.

[@kevthepoet]

There's an easy fix. The infinity stones are only useless in the TVA or wherever in the Quantum Realm the TVA is probably located. That way the gloves are off for what they can or can't do anywhere else in the multiverse.

[@mattwilcox8134]

Yeah that was my thought. I assumed the TVA was basically outside of any universe and therefore outside the area of the stones’ powers

[@monstremarguerite6121]

This is exactly what I assumed!

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Yeah, it was never a plot hole because the stones were always able to work in other universe. Side note, the TVA doesnt seem to be in the Quantum Realm, its more likely somewhere close to the void, where it's still technically in the timeline and branch versions of it are capable of being created, but it's more outside of time, where the laws of the universe don't really exist

[@dante2037]

I think the stones in the TVA didn't work simply because their branches had been pruned so those timelines so longer existed. If they no longer existed then there's nothing to give the stones power.

[@MrJackfaire]

That's not even a fix it's just choosing to not extrapolate. They never said in Loki that Infinity Stones didn't work outside of their branch timelines. They explicitly said they don't work in the TVA neither does magic. But Loki's Magic worked everywhere but the TVA which means that it's something about the TVA itself and not the being in a different timeline that stopped those things from working.

[@ZoSo42084]

Don't worry, there's a universe where all this shit makes perfect sense

[@SettaXY]

Key lime pie 🥧

[@WhatUpRob]

Listening to your giddiness over the ever expanding multiverse is so exciting, and mind blowing decades ago Marvel filed for bankruptcy and sold off its assets, to think how far they’ve come.

[@thelazypeaches]

They had to file bankruptcy and sell off property to expand their possibilities. What if marvel never sold off any property?

[@matthewalexanderkatsock]

Let’s remember the explanation that Ultron uses the stones from his universe on himself (from the same universe). Now, Supreme Strange used HIS time stone from HIS universe on HIMself to free himself from the powers of Ultron’s time stone (which worked because Ultron was in HIS universe, allowing the stones to have effect’s on everything/everyone in that universe). I *think* that’s how that worked, but next season I’m sure all shit will break loose haha.

[@andyseinfeld1954]

literally stop lol, the stones works outside the universe and the creators confirmed it so just accept it

[@parry111]

But.....you don't need to think or theorise about anything. I don't get how much clearer it can get that the stones do work in other universes

[@matthewalexanderkatsock]

@@parry111 I’m just having fun speculating. Not trying to say “here ye, here ye, I do declare the letter of the law!” Or anything haha

[@justinkomora4518]

@@andyseinfeld1954 the writers literally said this is why they worked. They said Ultron is using the stones on himself. He's basically channeling raw energy and firing it outward.

[@michaelmcgee9253]

Why doesn’t Strange Supreme use the time stone to fix HIS universe???

[@catfdljws]

in the 10:30 discussion of Thanos v what-if Ultron and the stones. I'd note that Ultron initially didn't see the multiverse at the time. He conquered HIS universe, then discovered the watchers and it escalated from there. As for Thanos, you noted he had a much more focused goal (just kill half the population) rather than an impossible one (kill ALL the population), so if he discovered the multiverse I think he would have used the stones to set up barriers to protect HIS changed universe from being undone (had he lived passed the opening of Endgame, of course). It helps that Thanos had a more peaceful goal on the other side of his actions - just build a garden and live peacefully, content at his success. Because his goal was more focused. Ultron's goal couldn't be achieved...partly because he has Tony's drive to never see an ending. (thus why he was still making iron suits into CW and AIW even after having said he'd quite in IM3). Their personalities and goals were different - Ultron would keep going and going and going. Thanos was "one and done". The Watcher (and the TVA) saw Thanos as being an end. What If Ultron was not an end, rather it was never-ending. If they didn't step up, Kang would have had to. In fact, it does lead to an interesting idea - that What If Ultron isn't dead...and his trial is the introduction to the council of Kangs.

[@jesseturner9865]

He's not dead. He and Killmonger are frozen in a pocket universe of Dr Strange's creation.

[@catfdljws]

I was under the impression Ultron's mind is wiped thanks to Zola, and that it was Zola in there with Killmonger.

[@jesseturner9865]

@@catfdljws doh!, you're right. one bad robot replaced by another.

[@Bellfamkids]

"What if" is a branch timeline of the MCU so all the infinity stones are all copies of the MCU. The different stones work against each other as long as they all come from the same tree. The TVA stones didn't work because that branch no longer exists because it was pruned so it has no power. The sacred timeline was several universes bound together but were not branches of each other. Essential each string of the sacred timeline is its own tree in a forest. So potentially infinity stones from different trees would not work on other trees but only on there own branches. "What if" is not talking about multiple trees it is about the branches that have occurred off of the MCU tree because the sacred timeline is out of control.

[@tay3724]

Perfect

[@nicholasball69]

this

[@Splxshin]

i always treated it as if the branch nexus event timeline was pruned, those stones in that branch lost their power. this is perfect.

[@JNel77]

Well put.

[@carnage1570]

Ah makes a lot of sense

[@alexanderdumas-]

It wasn't just the stones. Cosmic awareness granted by the Watchers speech allowed him to use the Mind stone to identify the Watcher, and the space stone +5 stones to get to his location, Ultron specifically uses the Mind stone when he finds the Watcher, the Watcher literally narrarates the ascension of Ultron's conscious to "previously unobtainable levels"

[@masterman3191]

I did not notice that!

[@ked49]

Dr strange gained that level of sentience. So absolute silence in a universe causes you to hear the watcher.

[@lorengreen131]

I thought of the stone crusher failure more as the stones from Ultron's universe were different molecularly even just slightly enough that the crusher, designed for gamoras stones, was not able to do it without that level of precision.

[@HeWhoSlayethCain]

Ultron is the sentience of the Mind Stone. Ultron IS an Infinity Stone given form. He knows all there is to know about the stones.

[@dantepierre1948]

bingo, this needs more likes

[@nonsense9858]

Exactly. This is the most valid reason.

[@OscarASevilla]

so why didnt Ultron just negate Doctor Strange's time stone?

[@HeWhoSlayethCain]

@@OscarASevilla Because Strange Supreme absorbed countless beings of the Multiverse and spent a century if not more learning everything about it, so if anyone is even close to having Ultron's knowledge of the stones, it'd be Strange.

[@bev6713]

You seem to think that absolute point = nexus event... Why? For me it was obvious that: Nexus event- event that couses branching in timeline (splits it) Absolute point- event that cannot be changed because it would couse a paradox Two completely different things.

[@umbrellafox9160]

They think that because the director of What If? has said that they named absolute points, not knowing Loki was going to bring up the same concept, and that if they had known, they would’ve chosen Nexus Point instead. But the script wasn’t even written for Loki yet.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

To be fair a Nexus event id more like a change in the sacred timeline more like a simple branch. It was He Who Reamins who make the term

[@masterbrawler1298]

@@umbrellafox9160 even then I feel Loki does good job making it seem it’s a totally different thing anyway

[@MrTesh47]

Can we take a second to thank Disney/Marvel for bringing animation back to the forefront of entertainment for adults. I can’t remember ever when a series created so much buzz and talking points.

[@jcabigting8036]

I think if there’s any inconsistencies in any episode is chalked up to the uniqueness of each possible universe. How did thanos get the soul stone, in this universe if Helen cho never unplugged ultron then maybe thanos loved someone else. The what if title for the episode doesn’t necessarily imply that it is the only difference from the main mcu to that particular universe.

[@freddyfaerie3499]

No but the watchers speech at the beginning of the episodes does imply it's one difference that changes the universe

[@andrewjalice8649]

Yeah I agree completely even though we see the main point in which the universe changes that means that the universe changes so that means that other things may not be the same either that was the initial point that must mean more things change but that was the point that changed everything

[@MrJackfaire]

@@freddyfaerie3499 Fan fiction writers do that shit all the time too, "What if Harry Potter was...." but then throw in 3 or 4 other differences that weren't even mentioned in the What if set up.

[@SardonicVida]

@@freddyfaerie3499 one difference to change the course of events, but never states that it’s the only difference. Because clearly one change affects a ton of their things.

[@ishryal]

What If the 'stones' are merely shells of the 6 primordial energies, and these energies are the same in every universe (all come from the same source and are present in each universe) but the shells are specific to the universe - so you can only destroy the stones from the same matter of the stone shell, but that just 'atomises' the stones and releases the energy. So yes, using two time stones in the same universe is like fighting with two water hoses plugged into the same tap. The TVA just has a way of turning off the tap - the water is still there, but the hoses (stones) run empty.

[@david13579naranja]

More like the hose is still there but the water is gone (timeline pruned).

[@ishryal]

@@david13579naranja That too

[@themailman3331]

After rewatching the What If? Series, and paying meticulous attention to every detail, I can honestly say I have no f*cking clue what the hell is going on.

[@cre8ivoutlet]

Urgh you watched them all again?! Wow, well done. But yes most science fiction shows should not be questioned or analysed because you’ll see all the plot holes with greater clarity, you won’t have any light bulb moments.

[@Problemsolver434]

Because you have your own head canon that's blinding you. The stones work in any universe or timeline. Endgame clearly established this. You guys just try to force the MCU to follow the rules of the comics. Magic in general doesn't work in the TVA. It's not just the stones. Loki couldn't use his magic in the TVA. That's it. The MCU never said the stones couldn't work in other timelines. It even showed the opposite. You guys just concluded that that rule existed because of your own head canon.

[@JerbinJoe]

Renslayer mentioned in Loki that magical powers won't work inside TVA, including stones. In MCU, they never mentioned specifically about stones getting powerless in other universes

[@AlfonzoCarson]

Thanos didn't hear the watcher so he probably didn't know he could cross over. Ultron just can process information a little quicker.

[@akiokoh7481]

personally i think since ultron had the time to conquer his ENTIRE universe, hes probably more acquainted to the power of the all infinity stones and its full potential. Thanos had all the stones for what? Maybe a total of an hour? If u think about it, all thanos did was snap, teleport to his farm planet and snap again.. honestly maybe even less than an hour. Ultron had it the entire time while he took over his universe thats months, maybe years to analyze and use the stones fully, and with him essentially being powered by the mind stone he probably fully became one with the stones and gained some sort of higher understanding

[@jonoab6944]

I think the reason why when ultra-vision gets the six stones, he's able to travel between universes is something to do with how his brain isn't human. The watcher says in the episode something along the lines of, he's able to transcend into a higher form of being. The fact that he had 6 infinity stones definitely would've played a large part in that, but i also think, that him being a super computer allowed him to understand the stones, the stones abilities, and therefore, while using the stones, become something that no one else has or even could've achieved. just food for thought (:::

[@cencent2189]

What about Dr. Strange he used the time stone (from his broken universe) in a different universe.

[@jonoab6944]

@@cencent2189 my comment was more about why Ultra-Vision could traverse the multiverse, not why the stones could be used in different universes (:

[@cencent2189]

@@jonoab6944 ohh ok lol my bad

[@williambland2020]

I agree, i also think that he was able to surpass the level of thanos power because he was able to use (presumably) all 6 infinity stones when he crossed through the multiverse, without taking any damage, because he's a machine, not a living being like thanos. Thanos used all 6 infinity stones to destroy them and almost died from the power, same w hulk when he snapped. Ultron doesnt take this damage, maybe bc of his suit design, either way, thats why he could use them more often and to a higher extent.

[@WigantX]

(::: is this a Celestial smiling?

[@oliemerza]

10:50 Access to the multiverse is due to Ultron attaining higher consciousness just like what happened with Evil Strange hearing the Watcher without having all the stones.

[@kennethvalenzuela1680]

Ultra-Vision reminded me a lot of Amazo from the Justice League series. When he came back to Earth, Gold and evolved to a way more advanced level. Maybe Ultra-Vision was also evolving along with the stones, thats why the rules were different for him.

[@MarvelX42]

As far as I can tell the only "rules" that they have "broken" is (1) stones not working in the TVA which could be explained by [A] those stones not working outside of their native universes or [B] The TVA being inside of a sort of faraday cage that blocks out their (and magics) use and (2) Doctor Stranges time stone working outside of his native reality which could be explained by the Eye of Agamotto taking on some of the qualitys of the time stone and getting power from it just as Wanda got some power from the mind stone and Carol got some power from the space stone. I think that your rules unnecessarily overcomplicate things and my explanation is just simpler.

[@amandalong220]

I always assumed the TVA was a sort of faraday cage like you say.

[@DannyPageOfLight]

I recall reading someone on TV Tropes suggesting that whenever Ultra-Vision was outside his native universe, he could only use the stones' full abilities to alter himself in beneficial ways, since he is from the same universe as those stones he's using. Then again, that doesn't explain Strange Supreme being able to counter U-V's time stone with his own while in the other's home universe.

[@griffinvanzandt6628]

Can you do a Video explaining how strong the watcher is compared to eternals, deviants asguardians, and Midgard people. Also how strong ultra vision is compared to a celestial, Kang or galactus same with dark doctor strange. Thank you

[@piruto6155]

I think we have to wait til we see how strong thay are on sxreen

[@griffinvanzandt6628]

@@piruto6155 maybe after Nov 5

[@getnkosi]

Please PLEASE P L E A Z E!

[@RogueWolfArtist]

Stop time and rewrite reality. I feel a near-omniscient A.I. Would have done more, but I’m definitely not disappointed with what they did.

[@javi-hy8vv]

These videos with Erik and MT are therapy for me

[@sddrx6000]

I just love M.T and Erik together so fun.

[@JNel77]

I feel like a lot of the confusion stems from the assumption that these different universes played out almost exactly the same as the main universe. There’s no reason that events unfolded the same, or in the same order.

[@Celtic1020]

The whole point of viewing these universes is to the how one change spirals into many. But if there is no way for the initial change to affect an outside change, e.g. another planet or galaxy, you have yourself a contradiction.

[@JNel77]

@@Celtic1020 I hear you, and I agree. But, whose to say that change can’t lead to one or more of the stones ending up on another planet instead of earth?

[@Joeshcast]

The stones should work in the citadel at the end of time, if Loki and Sylvie’s magic worked there?

[@leontriestomeme9712]

They never said that infinity stones could only be destroyed by something from their universe, only that each stone from the different universe was unique, and they didn't account for that when designing the infinity crusher.

[@dashinhayes]

That putting out the lightning and fire analogy was actually pretty spot on lol

[@tiago9977]

7:04 You could probably justify the Time Stone working differently by saying that it was used differently. When Thanos used the Time Stone on Vision, & Doctor Strange used it on the apple, they both looked like they were turning a dial to rewind/ fast-forward time bcos they were only affecting one thing (i.e. Wanda didn't get back up when Vision was rewound). Even when Doctor Strange used the Stone to rewind the chaos in the city at the end of his movie, he used it while *he* was moving, & time just rewound around him, but you could argue that the way he used it to try to save Christine was different - he could have been using the Stone to rewind *all* of time & essentially transplant his consciousness into his younger self since he was instantly in that particular region of space (i.e. at the car instead of in the sanctum where he used the Stone), & in different clothing.

[@fierceblade1014]

Something else that’s an insanely cool detail is that we now know that Strange Supreme is so powerful he can use his sling ring to transcend realities as seen by him dropping in the Zombies

[@venm766]

I've been wondering this whose to say he does absorb kilmonger and Ultron as well as the stones in his prison and branches off into the mcu

[@ked49]

@@venm766 killmonger and Zola can’t be absorbed they have no magical potential

[@Problemsolver434]

This was simple. Everyone just assumed that the stones don't work in other timelines when the MCU clearly proved otherwise with endgame. The TVA obviously has other means to neutralize the power of the stones, probably the runes. But that's it. Magic doesn't work in the TVA, it's not just the stones Most people have a problem with it because they just insist that the stones follow the logic of the comics. No. No one is mandated to do that

[@bverrue602]

What if Hank Pym or as I like to call him "The Straitjacket" had some or all Infinity Stones?

[@JLLunsford1]

The stones from each universe are slightly different from those from all other universes; so, maybe some sets of stones can work in more than one universe and some sets can only work in their home universe.

[@jeremiahdetweiler1639]

What if has always been my fav, it's just amazing that I get to watch all of my fav stories come to life.

[@d0mm137]

The reason they didn't work on loki wasnt because they were in a different universe. I think it has something to do with he who remains and how no magic worked at the tva not just the stones..

[@randyvelasco9766]

Exactly! It's in the comics that Mr. Fantastic says the stones only work in their respective Universes. In MCU canon that's never stated. LOKI just says that the stones don't work in TVA as you said

[@sweezxo]

Yeah i don’t see how ppl don’t understand that when it’s clearly stated in episode 1, and also the fact that each pair of stones form in different ways and can even vary in power on some occasions

[@Joseph_Green]

Or maybe they are supposed to only work in their respective universe and that’s why the Watcher was so confused saying “this is not possible “ so I’m thinking ultron figured out a way to modify the stones or something like that and it would be explained how he did it in season 2

[@Revanaught]

@@randyvelasco9766 Technically the MCU and the comics should still be part of the wider multiverse continuity, though, in all fairness, Richards said the infinity gems didn't work across universes. He didn't say anything about infinity stones.

[@randyvelasco9766]

@@Revanaught valid point, and I've considered that. I know Mysterio in Far From Home says Peter's Earth is 616, but he turned out to be a charlatan in the end.

[@danielmarques7665]

You're assuming, for weeks now, that Thanos only loved Gamora! In our universe, that is true! But in all universes?? Come on, there is a universe where he loves only a pet turtle, for all i care... And he threw it to get the soul stone... Done!

[@px43]

I think it's important to keep in mind that the concept of an "Absolute Point" was just something that the Ancient One came up with, and it may or may not be consistent with how the TVA, Kang, the Watcher, etc understand the stones and the multiverse in general. Just because one group says something's true doesn't mean that we should just take their word for it. I doubt that all the powerful beings in the MCU have a conference or something where they share notes and agree on consistent verbiage and rules for how things work.

[@jmgidk1481]

y’all have been DELIVERING today

[@DJ_Khal_Rhaego]

I always thought the stones worked because the universes are colliding, since the universes overlap both sets of stones are relevant

[@quadcitygamer1554]

Actually the rules didn't change if you think about it the Avengers when they went back in time they were still in the same universe but when they fought Ultron they were taken from a different Universe not a different timeline in the same universe so it makes sense

[@darrinlambert1314]

If the stones are just atomized...couldn't someone with access to pym particles still use them? And maybe resize them to normal. All you need is to trace their energy signatures and locate them. They are still managing the universe so they still put out tons of power so should be easy to track

[@courtneyanderson2703]

Is it me or does MT have that Fire Marshall Bill🔥 laugh😆😆

[@dantepierre1948]

I am scarred for life after thinking about what MT said at 13:18. And what’s even worse is that it just makes perfect sense to me for some reason. The TVA is the only people that know for sure if that’s true🤣🤣😳😳

[@NoLifeGrogu]

I agree with both of you I’ve enjoyed each series so far for different reasons, it’s been really entertaining thus far. My ranking: 1. WandaVision 2. Loki 3. What If…? 4. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[@mpr746]

Mine is a bit different: 1- Loki 2- Falcon and the Winter Soldier 3- What If 4- Wandavision

[@masterofmythology]

Couldn't it simply be that in different universes, the stones are in different locations, and acquired under different circumstances?

[@RellHearts]

For real, that’s what I was thinking. Honestly all of this what if stuff might be simpler than people are thinking. For example in episode 8 where Thanos has the soul stone but Gamora is still alive. Maybe in that universe Thanos loved somebody else.

[@MrJackfaire]

Also that Age of Ultron takes place years before Infinity war so a victorious Ultron would cause Thanos to start his Stone Quest early

[@Swellnesss]

Another thing to consider @10:30 is that as an artificial being with unlimited hard drive space and access to all connected digital human information in existence, his experience and understanding of all science and general knowledge far exceeds anyone else we've seen other than He Who Remains or whichever Kang variant fills the power void he left which is what Ultra Ultron Supreme. The struggle to get to the top is what its all about now, I love how its unfolding.

[@JosephWolfson]

MCU multiverse is different from Comics multiverse. I mostly believe this is because origin of the Eternals is so different.

[@dahliazaylinsage]

Twice in a day I'll say it xp thanks and safety as always guys!!

[@SelfMadeTVMikeyxf23]

One thing I know whatever Marvel time Doctor Strange always uses the time store

[@JoshV_TX]

Love the weekly “Erik makes MT cry from laughing so hard” segment.

[@theromangeneral]

Two things I wanted to note on. Firstly in regards with the stones working in other universes, while not 1:1 this was the basic idea of endgame that they used stones from a branch timeline to undo thanos' snap. Secondly, it wasn't that something from the universe of the stones is needed to destroy them only that each universe'sstomes are slightly unique and the infinity crusher was designed to destroy the stones from its universe

[@MrJackfaire]

Exactly it could have crushed the stones but would have needed to be recalibrated to match their frequency

[@hex.enigma]

There is a huge difference between someone like Thanos who can use the infinity stones maybe 3 times before it kills him, and someone like Ultron who actually has the durability to channel the full power of all the stones - and therefor the power of the entire universe - indefinitely. That is why he is capable of transcendence like evil Strange. You need to fully control your universe first.

[@spameranne]

extended riffs about fireworks safety, love it

[@OscarASevilla]

the what-if's that we saw were all related from that "sacred" timeline. Thus, since they spawned from the main mcu, then we can assume that Marvel is trying to create a MCU multiverse, completely separate than the comics multiverse. Thus, we now have a multi-multiverse

[@burneyboys02]

19:52 I love a good Legends of the Hidden Temple reference. Damnit I wish CW casts me for a Season 2!!!!!

[@WrongWayNinja]

I kind of took it as the crusher was meant to break down the structure of their home stones and since ultras stones are from a different universe they have a slightly different structure meaning they'd have to design the crusher for that specific structure of infinity stone

[@morethanonebraincell674]

Can someone please explain the difference between Alternate timelines (from LOKI), Branched Realities (from What If), and Branched TImelines (from What If ep.4). The main question here being how/where do (TVA, Void, Citadel) and watcher's place fit in? This is asking too much, but if possible please draw a map of all this and link the picture. Thank you!

[@n8m8___]

Why didn’t Ultron just get stones from every universe??

[@NatePlayzs]

I’m guessing because he can’t use stones from other multiverses as the infinity stone crusher didn’t work

[@christianrapper]

Why? His stones worked in every universe. It didn’t matter.

[@NatePlayzs]

@@christianrapper that’s not what I said, I said he could only use the stones from his universe

[@christianrapper]

@@NatePlayzs no you didn’t. You said “why didn’t ultron get stones from every universe??”

[@NatePlayzs]

@@christianrapper I was saying that he could use stones in other universes but not use stones FROM other universes

[@Phredd2k1]

In episode 2F09, when Uatu plays Ultron's skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is a magic xylophone, or something? Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

[@poppyshock]

Around 23 minutes, Erik is talking about the 5 years still having passed between the Snap/Death of Thanos and the Time Heist/Blip, thanks to the influence of the atomized Stones. But the no-change to the 5 years was a stipulation of Tony agreeing to help in the Heist, not necessarily the atomized Stones. He didn't want to lose Morgan and his peaceful family life. They might have been able to reverse the disaster completely.

[@halrager]

Great observations! This episode is a favorate!

[@galaxyguy-bv3dh]

Love you guys videos keep them up ❤️❤️

[@tig77ga77]

Here’s the thing you guys are going in thinking that Thanos knows about other universes……. Remember majority of them thinks there world is the only world…. So thanos not know the power to shift thru different worlds makes sense.

[@s.v1404]

16:17 why cant it just be that the stones Ultron has are rounded, so the stone destroyer cant destroy them, or the material they are made of are harder then the stones of Gamora's universe?

[@satcomsid]

Once a timeline is pruned, is there a way back into it? If a Stone came from a timeline that doesn't exist, anymore, is it the pruning that depowers them; cutting them off from whatever universal energy that allows them to work? That'd explain why Casey's Stones were fancy paperweights, but why multiversal Stones (from timelines that are still active) can work on each others' presence. Like Ultravision's and Strange Supreme's Time Stones working independently but canceling each other out.

[@jonhoffman8499]

I love your content!!

[@reecejulian]

Love the energy in these vids. Curious as to how the licensing works for your merch using Marvel characters?

[@iloveumali]

soul stone doesn’t require the person you love to be sacrificed, it just needs a sacrifice. “that of which you love“ refers to a soul/life

[@jkbell87]

I think maybe Thanos didn’t know about other Universes because Ultron didn’t really know about them until he heard The Watcher talking. Thanos had a very specific thing he wanted the stones for and likely didn’t know how much power he had at the time. There’s still a lot of mystery around the stones within the MCU itself.

[@AaronBiller]

If the stones become powerless in Loki, maybe it's not because they don't work outside of their home universe, but rather because their universe has been pruned.

[@McCheeseincakes]

I think the big problem here is that we're trying to include rules, laws, and standards, in a place that we've been told has infinite possibilities. Ultron said as much when bringing up why the infinity crusher didn't work.

[@McCheeseincakes]

There's a big assumption here that Thanos would know that there's multiverses to cross over into, it is very possible to be holding a tool and not know of it's complete capabilities.

[@abdilrahmanf1311]

I’d love it if marvel made a wolverine Easter egg where regardless of the film or series, there’s a scene in Madripoor or somewhere in the world at a fight club and there’s Adamantium claw marks on some wall, as an Easter egg for him

[@killachicken7577]

Your fiancé helped make Luca??? That’s beyond cool

[@slice675]

Infinity stones are called infinity stones because their are infinitely power. It just depends on the potential of the person using the stone. A human with power stone can destroy a city with a punch. But a celestial can destroy a planet with a touch.

[@strangerq21z37]

A human will die upon touching the power stone. What If is just a mess they don't understand anything about any of the stones. Feige needed to keep adult supervision on these fools. They knew not what they were doing.

[@slice675]

@@strangerq21z37 it's just an example

[@NickCundiff]

Doctor Strange technically didn't turn back time when he cancelled out Ultron's time stone, he simply used power from it in the same way that Ultron could use the power of the stones while between realities fighting the watcher. It can also be argued that Strange never turns back time at all in the final episode because he only used the power inside hime from the creatures he had absorbed to absorb Ultron's explosion.

[@shine82]

An Adult Toy Store using a Marvel comic discount code. What a time to be alive! Best promo by Voss ever. Lmao

[@itsGuevara]

One simple solution. Ultron "ascended to a previously unattainable level of consciousness". Reaching that point he made it possible for his Infinity Stones to function by channeling it from his body to his bots that remained in his universe or maybe a multiverse beacon(maybe the bots were accidentally a multiverse beacon). Even Arnim Zola knew he was off world, so the connection remained...

[@thorprime2523]

Infinite universe's means infinite variations, this would include the infinity stones, where stones from one universe may not work in another, but other stones could.

[@kennedyshenberg2897]

The kirby universe energy is the "black" swirling stuff on characters in the mew eternals trailer.

[@milesyoung3402]

I was sad to see this video end!

[@ryanflax5462]

I think a explaination for the ultravison issue is that people and objects from one universe can not use / interact with stones from other universes. They can still be used in other universes but only by beings from that original universe. That’s why the stone crusher couldn’t destroy the stones. Killmonger uses the ultron armor from the original universe so me can interact with the stones. Might be far fetched but it does kind of fix it

[@thomasmooney5927]

Where were the Mutants? Fantastic Four? Doom? This would have been a perfect time for an intro.

[@rykerising1409]

The only reason I slightly rate Loki over WandaVision is the finale. The MCU has had a tough time making compelling final chapters for its movies and the fact that Loki didn't have some over the top CGI or crazy battle made it fresh and Jonathan Major's performance was awesome.

[@user-sr4nc4tc6f]

Loving the DOUBLE daily uploads bruh, legends 👐

[@josephhumes3731]

Couldn’t Ultron just have made all of them cease to exist like Thanos did with half of our universe?

[@strangerq21z37]

Only when it's funny. - Roger Rabbit.

[@Rizky-im2vh]

I think it's time for Marvel to introduce two different things: 1) Multiverse 2) Multi-Timeline, same universe but different timeline I think it could explain many things

[@tiago9977]

8:50 Zombie Thanos having collected 5 Stones & knowing where the 6th was going to be did seem weird, but you could probably argue that he had a way of tracking the Stones or using the ones in his possession to locate/ communicate w/ the others. In Infinity War it also seemed kinda weird that Corvus Glaive & Proxima Midnight knew exactly where to find Vision/ the Mind Stone in Scotland, that Ebony Maw & Cull Obsidian knew exactly where to find Doctor Strange/ the Time Stone (despite him being the Sorcerer Supreme & undoubtedly having a number of protection charms, including on the Sanctum itself), & that the Black Order knew Vision had been taken to Wakanda.

[@lukekalisz1817]

Perhaps the infinity stones are like keys and every universe has the same locks. In other words, infinity stones don’t transfer power from their native universe, but instead channel the power from the universe that they are currently in. Places like the TVA exist outside of a “universe” and therefore don’t have infinity power to channel.

[@shadiabbas1667]

I absolutely loved the finale but the why the infinity crusher didn't work is kinda weird And also what about the watcher at the end of episode 7 that was surprised by the appearance of ultron is that uatu the same watcher who faught him before ?

[@notmephisto1375]

main timeline: A+B=C (C=absolute point) branched timeline: A+X=Z (X=nexus point, Z=new absolute point)

[@ESmithonlyonthursday]

Not the Legends of the Hidden Temple reference! Lol thank you for telling your age.

[@Dutch3k5]

I think the combination of ultron being a supercomputer and having the infinity stones allowed him to be conscious of other universes. Also combine the fact his universe was completely destroyed allowed to home in on his other senses

[@tiago9977]

12:20 It definitely feels confusing that Thanos obtained the Soul Stone w/out sarcrificing Gamora, but I guess it is plausable since Red Sull just said he has to sacrifice someone he loved, not the one he loved most, so he could hv sacrificed Gamora or any of the Black Order if he loved them at all I suppose.

[@thechatterbot]

Voss is on fire this episode

[@cryptidwithhat123]

I think maybe all the episodes were basically compact versions of some of the movies cause you could tell they skipped some parts in a few episodes. They were mostly trying to give us the gist of the story (Only 75% sure)