Mary Tudor & Edward Seymour argument (Becoming Elizabeth)

[@irawilliams343]

Mary practically stole the show. It was about Elizabeth but Mary outshone her.

[@ShiningFriendship87]

Yes!

[@robertthomson1587]

Absolutely!

[@annagoldberg6257]

Mary is the best. I love Mary the First Queen of England.

[@clairefordzetterstrom9973]

True!

[@SpringerA1984]

Ssssssooooo much this!!!

[@huolalupin6008]

The most believable Mary Tudor I've seen.

[@mariahoulihan9483]

yes.. not over played. Kathy Burke's, in my opinion, was one of he worst.

[@huolalupin6008]

@@mariahoulihan9483 Yes, sadly you’re right.

[@The84336]

Her disgust with him in this scene is very revealing. At the end of the day, no matter what she's been through, Mary would never go as low as to harm her siblings.

[@chinavaughan6383]

She did have Elizabeth imprisoned in the Tower during her reign, a very frightening time for Elizabeth😢

[@arcadian78]

@@chinavaughan6383Yes that’s very true but I firmly believe that as a Catholic,Mary’s faith prevented her from going as far as to order the murder of her own sister.

[@graceneilitz7661]

@@chinavaughan6383 Yeah, but Elizabeth was almost certainly involved in a rebellion against her, and Elizabeth was never executed.

[@chinavaughan6383]

@ It was never proven that she was involved in this rebellion🙁

[@graceneilitz7661]

@@chinavaughan6383 I said almost certainly, but there is an argument for Elizabeth not being involved. In any case, monarch have killed people for far less than being the figurehead (even if otherwise uninvolved) of a rebellion.

[@Belinda8881]

I don´t think this is historically accurate , but I think this scene portrays the "essence " of Mary´s stongness of character in this show.

[@luiscarlosmotasantos729]

There were conversations similar to this that the chroniclers put. But always Somerset knows that he deals with a princess and according to his words "She grieved that interested people gave her bad advice that made her persevere in iniquity and in ignominy". You can verify it, several authors talk about it.

[@NangDoofer]

Of course it isn't historically accurate lol, very few if any dialogue scenes can be.

[@gailmack4612]

That they had Mary dropping the F bomb, I believe totally inaccurate. Per biographies, Mary only said the word where only because she heard it in a conversation. She told her lady in waiting, "God a mercy my pretty whore!" Mary was told not to use such language.

[@MichSherl]

Very interesting conversation here, Edward having to deal with so many things at once... Thanks for posting Lili!

[@aeroTnz]

Mary truly was one of a kind no matter how this show shows hewr

[@Lily1127channel]

The show portrays her exactly as one of a kind 🙂

[@diegoandres2906]

Queen Mary's motto says it all: Filia Temporis, Daughter of Time

[@steelers6titles]

After the Crown was abolished a century later, the title of Lord Protector, as held by Oliver Cromwell, became sort of synonymous with military dictator--the only one the British have ever had.

[@ajayredonkulus6628]

What is a monarch other than a military dictator?

[@PatrickTower-ln7oi]

You would’ve thought that after Richard III held the title of Lord Protector it was abolished but guess not

[@kelseylogas1580]

I recognize that if the prevaricating and protestations of familial love and so forth were what this show consisted of it would be less dramatic. But Mary never ever accepted that her father was the cause of her misery and would never ever have said such a thing out loud to an enemy. Everyone kept their cards close to their vests, because open declarations such as this one is what got you beheaded. Also, Mary's gown is super gorgeous. They toally got the wardrobe spot on in this show.

[@mariahoulihan9483]

dramatic licence as you say really. it has to move the story on in a finite amount of minutes. Not the place to get full facts.. historical dramas.

[@mariahoulihan9483]

Katherine of Aragans boss emblem. the pomegranate, is inside the church of St. Lawrence, at Lechlade, Gloucestershire. It was one of Queen Katherine's manors.

[@steelers6titles]

Mary had to have the support of the Council to win the crown after her half-brother's death, which she eventually secured. She did not hesitate to sign death warrants--she had over 300 of her subjects executed during her five-year reign. (Elizabeth executed many individuals as well.)

[@themermaidstale5008]

Mary also had the support of the people as being the legal heir rather than Jane Gray. Jane was a pawn of her family.

[@steelers6titles]

@@themermaidstale5008 The fate of many high-born young women at the time, sadly--Seymours, Boleyns, Howards, et. al.

[@themermaidstale5008]

@@steelers6titles No female of rank was spared. After the death of the father, the eldest son could marry off his mother to create an alliance; unless she took to the convent. Princesses were the ultimate bargaining chip. Margaret Rose, KH8s sister extracted a promise from him that after she married the King of France and he died that she could marry as she pleased (his closest friend, Charles Brandon). After they wed secretly in France, Henry was furious. He basically broke them financially. His sister died at a very young age, but at least she got her heart’s desire.

[@steelers6titles]

@@themermaidstale5008 Henrician England was a patriarchy, with Henry VIII himself sitting on top as ultimate patriarch. The only opposition was Rome, and that tie, of course, was finally broken. Henry VIII could, and arguably did, have any woman he wanted in his kingdom. (For political reasons, he also looked abroad, of course.) His last wife and widow, Catherine Parr, however, was no babe in the woods; she knew how to play the game. She thought long and hard about marrying the foul-smelling, ulcer-ridden, obese monarch, knowing full well what she would be getting. She finally agreed; Henry provided for her after his death.

[@antmagor]

Not surprised. Back then nobody and I do mean nobody walked away from that job without blood on their hands. Fast forward to modern day, I have a hard time believing that there is such a head of state (or government) in any of the major countries fro whom the same cannot be said.

[@jonathanwilliams9697]

They should honestly make a becoming Mary show from time of Catherine of Arragins divorce throught to her seizing the throne from Jane Grey and becoming Queen. With Romola gromai as the lead role.

[@ShiningFriendship87]

This never happened IRL. In reality, Lady Mary rarely went to Edward VI’s court because she clashed with her little brother on religion. BE probably wrote this in for the drama.

[@astrofabio68]

Of course, especially if in the series she has good lines. On the other hand, if he were suffering from a fit of hysteria or mystical delirium, everyone would take the scene for granted. It is not true?

[@Ethan_6]

THIS SHOW!! Catherine Parr and Mary were so well fleshed out, no sanitisation, just brutal, messy, and complicated

[@emgemandrem]

This never happened or anything even remotely like it. In reality, Mary had always been and remained until her death very close to Edward’s wife Anne despite her and her husband’s Protestant leanings. Even if Mary had such opinions of Edward, their closeness would’ve likely prevented her from saying anything remotely similar to this. Not to mention she was rarely at her brother’s court and was known for being very politically naive/sheltered. Edit: One of Mary’s first acts as queen was freeing Anne from the Tower. Then she allowed Anne to pick over Dudley’s confiscated possessions.

[@PettyShabazz]

This should of been becoming Mary.

[@rafaelortega854]

Mary Just reallyce they have been playing with his brother in cruels forms to get credibylity as King and she Just knows how long shes been watching as traitors without notice that it was not and never meant to be like that with him 😢😢

[@DonJuanMarco1994]

This show should have called, Becoming Tudors.

[@terintiaflavius3349]

I loved this show. Wish it was given a second season

[@savagedarksider5934]

I don't know if we'll ever see Mary's husband.

[@steelers6titles]

Philip II of Spain kept a low profile lol. He avoided England, and Mary. She pined away, childless. Mary can be considered to be one of the most miserable rulers in history. Despite her fervent efforts to prevent it, Protestantism in England was getting steadily stronger, eventually establishing a permanent foothold in the country.

[@savagedarksider5934]

@@steelers6titles Not only that but Mary's views on marriage work against her position as ruler. Mary wanted to recreate her grandparents marriage but the problem with that is, Philip wasn't interested in doing that; i'm starting to get sick and tried of people villainizing him because he did not love Mary.

[@themermaidstale5008]

@@savagedarksider5934 Dynastic marriages aren’t about love, they’re about alliances and power. KH8 did Mary a disservice by keeping her a spinster instead of marrying her off at a young age. She might have had a chance for some happiness.

[@reverseflashes]

@@steelers6titles And after Mary died he married his own niece 🤢 He is like a wife eater, married four times I think.

[@di3486]

@@reverseflashes because his wives died in childbirth or cancer.

[@xane_helios]

This show needs a second season!!!!

[@Michaelneiss]

Romola Garai is briliant

[@steelers6titles]

Mary can be seen with some sympathy, I suppose (although she had some three hundred individuals executed). She quite probably had ob-gyn issues rendering her unable to give birth, which at the time was viewed as a curse. She had an absent husband who had no intention of coming to England and cohabiting with her. And she was losing her country to the Protestant heresy. She couldn't bring herself to execute her younger half-sister, who was one of the heretics herself. History says that she informed Elizabeth that she would know she was the new Queen when she received the ring which never left Mary's finger. When she got it, she rejoiced. She had played the power game successfully.

[@astrofabio68]

and then Elizabeth begins kill irish catholics! what a family!

[@tjfootball1908]

At least she wasn't burnt alive at a stake

[@steelers6titles]

@@tjfootball1908 No, but she did time in the Tower.

[@Magdalenkaization]

Was it really historically? Or just invented for the necessity of making a plot more attractive? (Lords asking Mary to be Lady Protector instead of Edward?)

[@Lily1127channel]

I don't think it happened. In my understanding, in the show they also didn't mean it seriously (when they asked Mary to step in), except for Gardiner. They did it as an attempt to get rid of Edward S and put Mary/Catholics on their side in the attempt. But she was just a tool for them, they didn't mean to let her rule. Also, character development wise in the show, it was a means to show how Mary starts to have ambitions and a desire to rule / become queen, which will escalate in the next episodes.

[@Isabella2335.]

It didn’t happened.

[@krishnapalsinghbhati49]

😊

[@ASTERv9797]

Does she not have a slight spanish accent??

[@babsgrayson8432]

She was born and raised in England. Her mum would've though. Idk if Mary could speak Spanish.

[@ana_d_73]

She did speak Spanish. She married a Spanish Prince and was very well educated in multiple languages.

[@babsgrayson8432]

@@ana_d_73 Oh wow. Well there we go. Although it's unlikely she had a Spanish accent irl

[@ana_d_73]

@Babs Grayson I messed up! She wasn't married to Spanish prince, she married Phillipe II of Spain and was his Queen Consort as well as Queen of England. Phillipe eventually became King of Spain, Portugal, Sicily and Naples after Mary's death. And yes, she most likely spoke English without a Spanish accent.

[@QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht]

She spoke English without the Castilian accent. Even though her mother had the title "of Aragon" Catherine spoke Castilian. Mary and Philip would speak and argue in either French (which was the royal's lingua franca) or Castilian.