Mary Queen of Scots (2018) | Saoirse Ronan & Margot Robbie's Secret Meeting

[@inthewindago]

The way reality was portrayed here. With how queen Elisabeth would have looked after her small pox was great. Usually they portray her as perpetually beautiful. She certainly wasn’t after her illness. The white makeup was only worn to hide her scars. She looks so garish in this scene!

[@Ronkyort0dox]

She looks like Margot Robbie

[@rammingspeed5217]

.. With a random black man.. Yep.. Totally realistic in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@iszla33]

Am I thinking of the wrong queen? Didn’t she wear makeup that contained large amounts of lead or mercury? She kept trying to cover up the damage that was being done but the products she was using on her face were killing her.

[@lanygoldiegypsycosplay5782]

@@iszla33 youright poor lady

[@huolalupin6008]

She has hardly ever been played by a beautiful actress and they always cake themselves in white paint. What planet do you live on?

[@kellymccain3403]

I am starting to be convinced that there is nothing Margot Robbie cannot do. The woman is amazing.

[@magnolia3521]

Shes fake

[@peteradaniel]

She’s very lucky to have been given every opportunity to exemplify this. Many others have not.

[@Bunny11344]

Yup she’s not type cast the same character or themselves .. jho, Jennifer Aniston, Megan fox, Angelina Jolie. At least Robbie can act

[@keke6822]

@@Bunny11344 leave angelina out of this goddamn 😭😭

[@brosplit]

@@Bunny11344 L

[@Visiblediety]

Historian say they never met and they probably didn’t, but there’s is a small chance they actually could have . We weren’t there and they would’ve made sure that the news didn’t get out , cmon they were both powerful queens and could manipulate the system and men around them.

[@Ronkyort0dox]

No. It is more likely that the earth is flat.

[@Bigbassdrum60]

This is not a historical account...a hysterical account YES

[@johnfinnie1181]

Cecil wouldnt let that happen as he & most believed Mary would be able to charm Elizabeth into helping her

[@dc-ci7px]

i lowkey feel like they have met and didn’t tell ppl at all. they both did so much things that no one knows about except their loyal ones.

[@antmagor]

@@johnfinnie1181 I agree that most likely didn’t happen, nor could it have happened. I disagree however that Marry could’ve turned Elizabeth to her side. While Elizabeth was upset that an anointed queen had been overthrown (she didn’t want the Catholics getting any ideas), but at the end of the day Mary was the direct descendent of Henry the seventh, and she was born in wedlock. Of all of Elizabeth’s female cousins she was the one who had the strongest claim to the throne. That made her a threat to The Virgin Queen’s rein and Elizabeth knew it and feared it.

[@lukegray5528]

To the people complaining about how they never met…what part of secret meeting do y’all not understand? 😂😂😂 it’s meant to be an imagination of how it might of been if they had met.

[@faithworldleader6891]

What part of it would be extremely difficult for Elizabeth I to just disappear from court long enough for her to meet with Mary do you not understand? Or do you think she had access to Littlefinger's jetpack?

[@lizanne373]

@@faithworldleader6891 Omg it’s a movie. So what they sprinkled some fiction in, it’s not that serious.

[@isabellearaujo8991]

@@lizanne373 absolutely!

[@benedictewrstad8379]

I agree, it’s the closest to what a meeting could have been. And I heard that a lot of the dialogue comes from the real life letters they sent between each other, but it is better drama to meet than to read letters back and forth.

[@arcdave2735]

Well you and me and some people here would understand that this is fictional but a lot of people really do think these things happened.. I've encountered people who base their history on the "reign"

[@cassius092]

As Scots, we often find that people are never too good at replicating our accents, but Saoirse Ronan really pulled it off in this movie

[@SP-ki5gn]

Assuming Mary had a Scots accent...

[@izzy19]

Well saoirse is irish so its not that far of for her.

[@cassius092]

@@izzy19 yes.. I know

[@cassius092]

@@SP-ki5gn oh no she probably didn't, more than likely French

[@kermitthefrog3632]

@@izzy19 ridiculous - the accents are nothing alike.

[@CheonSong-yi]

“I was jealous. You seemed to surpass me in every way. But now I see there is no cause for envy. Your gifts are your downfall.” 👍🏼

[@sammy9679]

This is an incredible scene. I see where Mary comes from, but she scolds Elizabeth while she stands there crownless, turned on by kin and country. Meanwhile Elizabeth is stalwart, overseeing the golden age of England. The juxtaposition to their looks is incredible. “I am more man than woman” Elizabeth knew the sacrifice she would have to make to the throne and she made that sacrifice many years ago. There was wisdom in her choices, and honour in Mary’s.

[@NomadHorizons]

"There was wisdom in her choices, and honour in Mary’s." There was zero wisdom in Elizabeth's choice to deny the English throne an heir. Had Mary's son died after she was captured then her execution would have left the succession an open and catastrophically bloody question mark that would have made the combined bloodshed of Elizabeth's 3 predecessors reigns seem sweet by comparison. Henry VIII's entire obsession with gaining a male heir was precisely to avoid a repeat of The Anarchy which occurred between William the Conqueror's grandchildren merely because the obvious legitimate successor (Empress Matilda) was a girl while a bastard of her uncle (Stephen of Blois) was male and thus more acceptable to the Norman barons of the time. The outcome of The Anarchy was a great improvement in the form of Henry II, but that came at the cost of years of civil war between the 2 royal cousins vying for the English throne.

[@ameemccaa6210]

​@@NomadHorizons I don't believe there was much honor in Mary's choices. She made terrible choices. She had power from a young age that went straight to her head and when it came time to use it she flailed.

[@Brownie2102]

​@@NomadHorizons​for Elizabeth there was actually great reason for her to deny an heir until the last minute. She knew that as soon as she did there would be factionalism. Her advisors did not want it to go to the Staurts due to Mary's Catholicism. Additionally Henry VIII had actually already disinherited the Staurt claim back in the day. However Elizabeth believed strongly in primigenia, and actually supported the Staurt claim (a lot of her advisors were for the Grey claim). But she saw what happened with her sister Mary, as soon as she was named heir your court flocks to the next in line to curry favour. You basically risk losing a lot of power. Elizabeth starved this off till the last minute. I think you are massively underpaying the type of threat she was under throughout the entirety of her reign, both externally and internally. As soon as she names an heir, she nails her colour to the mast.

[@krazyshorty89]

I completely agree that they definitely made Mary dislikable and Elizabeth soft spoken, leveled and very relatable. I don’t think a face to face meeting would have went this way- mainly on Elizabeth’s end.

[@justsayin7416]

How is Mary dislikable

[@daesgatling1345]

@@justsayin7416 well probably acting like an entitled brat when Elizabeth wouldnt risk a war due to her poor decisions

[@ameemccaa6210]

@@justsayin7416 At this point in Mary's life she was pretty miserable and desperate and very lonely. For them to portray her here at this point in time as an entitle brat doesn't make much sense. Elizabeth had all the power not Mary.

[@AndrewMacLaine]

Yep, this scene immediately went to implausible territory at the wig removal. For Mary to be so confrontational as to directly say she had more claim to England would have expedited her execution, not resulted in Elizabeth showing vulnerability and promise of protection. And even if it were a ruse on Elizabeth's part, the lie would have been made apparent when she tearily said, "I am NOT my father..." Historians documented that Elizabeth famously declared, "I am my Father's Daughter."

[@drfabulous2804]

@@justsayin7416 because she’s Scottish. That’s reason enough

[@lifegoeson510]

Saoirse's last line gives me chills every time I watch this scene. Love this movie.

[@salivatinggreed4219]

I'm a history person like all the complainers, but I went in not expecting this to be historically accurate at all: just a stylized retelling, kind of like Elizabeth (1998). Without movies like this, though, I might have never been curious enough to research the real people and events. :)

[@JustSujC]

I’m wondering how far this will go though. Is it then okay for white people to portray minorities? It’s like if a white person wanted to play MLK to be a “stylized retelling.” At what point do we draw the line?

[@salivatinggreed4219]

@@JustSujC White people have been portraying minorities since before film. See blackface and yellow face. And it was done in a harmful manner. This is not offensive, just a different take. Same with the Hamilton musical.

[@BeeKee404]

Yeah like if anything as good as the 1998 movie was, the fact that they villainized Elizabeth's most faithful friend Robert really annoyed me. I feel like that should garner more outrage than Elizabeth and Mary's secret meeting.

[@LoLFilmStudios]

“History buff” is the term you’re looking for, scene is cool, nice to imagine different scenarios, but why is the cast so “diverse”?

[@salivatinggreed4219]

​@@LoLFilmStudiosit was not the term I was looking for because I dislike the term personally. Too trite and doesn't describe me. At the end of the day if you don't like seeing minorities in movies then just say the film isn't for you and move on.

[@TheLiteralLatest]

It’s puzzling to me that people would be shocked that Mary would have a Scottish accent.. while in Scotland. I’m sure she still spoke French but she was the queen of Scotland.. i read she had Scottish tutors and advisors in France who were there to keep her in tune with her countries language/ culture. She clearly took to the French culture way more.. idk just ranting lol

[@cxa340]

She would have had a French accent, not Scottish. In fact it is doubted that she was even fully fluent in English, and certainly at court they would have spoken French

[@ish4638]

She was fluent in both French and Scots, but not English. She also would have known Latin, as this was the norm for those high up in the feudal system at the time.

[@drrd4127]

It was known that she spoke both Scots and French apparently there was a time she had to talk to the English and she actually spoke in Middle Scots but the English could not understand Middle Scots so she asked "Do you speak French?" in french.

[@Beatmyguest001]

@@rammingspeed5217 you keep making this strange, illogical racist comment again and again. One this is a modern, fictional retelling, two Scotland and the UK as a whole are not “white” countries but have a diverse population and three they ALWAYS have. 🤣 you think people of colour only sprouted into existence like 50 years ago?! You have absolutely no idea of British history if you do. You’re just a small minded, ahistorical irrational racist.

[@TheLiteralLatest]

@@drrd4127 very fascinating! Any recommended books about MQS? I was listening to a podcast called “in our time”and it had a time when Mary was in the French court in the nursery and Catherine de Medici tells her “why do you not bow to the queen of France?” And Mary responds “why do you not bow to the queen of Scotland?” Lol

[@viviane_casella]

"Now I see no reason for envy. Your gifts are your downfall." Ooooh snap! 👁👄👁

[@gilbertelbie8938]

Hello, Viviane. How are you doing?

[@HK-gm8pe]

yeah ofc, just so you all know Mary died with very short grey hair aswell...she didnt have much hair either :D her wig famously revealed her real hair when she was executed pretty disgracefully , horribly botched execution, as a history student I see this movie as a disgrace...just like black Anne Boleyn and Black Cleopatra :D hollywood is insane, can you ever imagine QUEEN OF ENGLAND ripping off her wigs and crying hysterically in the front of her enemies in the time where women were being seen as weak enough?:D They wanted to make it a feminist movie but I dont see anything feminist in this

[@ThePharaoho]

One must give Elizabeth credit tho. Her hold on the throne was rather shaky and she had lost her looks at an early age due to smallpox, but she kept moving forward like a resilient lioness and remained steadfast and resolute in the face of Mary claiming her throne with both Catholic and French military backing. She on the surface sued for peace and kept the Catholic powers with Mary's indisputable claim at bay while strengthening England's military defenses and maintaining order in her realm. Mary, despite her bravery and magnanimous courage, charm and beauty was really doomed after she lost the crown of France. The Scots would not accept her because she was a Catholic and seen as a Frenchwoman. Even with Mary's victory of providing an heir and securing her dynasty, in the end, it still couldn't save her lest she converted to Protestantism. She was too willful for that. With Darnley murdered, she failed to jail Bothwell and instead married him, a great misstep which led to her tragic downfall. Such a shame, she really was quite good otherwise and could've been better still. Both women were very intelligent, but it seems in the game of Machiavellian wisdom, Elizabeth learned her lessons earlier on while Mary learned hers too late.

[@michaelsheets7320]

I was looking for a solid interpretation of this final scene. Thank you so much.

[@moniquelucas5862]

Well said

[@elagabalusrex390]

Yes! Mary Stuart had perhaps the greater beauty, intellectual curiosity, and color of personality, but Elizabeth had the deeper character and the broader wisdom. In the end, wisdom beat charisma between the two queens.

[@whitefam2000]

I knew these two women could act, buy WOW I did not know how well. I am just stunned. Well done ladies. Well done indeed.

[@TheFiown]

They never actually met and Elizabeth hadn't wanted Mary killed, she regretted it but back then there were only enemies in politics. We are not against turning on our families still today and still for political reasons.

[@ebonyeyes1986]

She never regretted it at all. Elizabeth was cold hard witch. She was always jealous of mary

[@craig3240]

@@ebonyeyes1986 you know she herself was always jealous of mary?

[@justateapot3847]

@@ebonyeyes1986 bruh I’d love to see the evidence for that claim. Elizabeth had Mary executed because she was a threat to her claim of the throne, yes, but never have I heard that Elizabeth was jealous of Mary.

[@amyconway1631]

@@ebonyeyes1986 uh. No- no this is false information. Don’t be supporting the backstabbing woman who was Mary. They called each other sisters while Mary schemed to take the throne she thought she should have had

[@boymiyagi]

Coz it was a secret...

[@umitencho]

Fun Fact: Mary's claim to the throne was actually weaker. Henry VIII technically disowned the Stuart line with the Succession Act of 1543 when he pushed the descendants of his younger sister Mary above his elder sister Margaret's(from which the Stuarts claimed the throne). Had Lady Jane Grey not try to take the throne after Edward's death or Elizabeth followed her father's wishes regardless, her successor would have been Anne Stanley, Countess of Castlehaven which means that the Lyttelton family would be the Royal Family today with Christopher Lyttelton as king starting in 2006.

[@lauracrimson]

Lady Jane didn't 'take' the throne, in fact it troubled her greatly when she discovered that young King Edward VI named her his heir. He lept across the family tree, chosing not his Catholic sister Mary, but go to his distant relative Lady Jane, who was protestant. Though never crowned in Westminster, she was Queen of England chosen by the monarch, and Lady Mary usurped her and she took the throne from her.

[@umitencho]

@@lauracrimson She technically did, it was just forced upon her. Her claim comes from being a descendant of Henry's sister Mary. Had her supporters not jump the gun twice by trying to supersede catholic Mary I & try a rebellion afterwards, Elizabeth may have been inclined to follow her father's wishes. She probably saw the seeds of another war of roses brewing and tried to correct by just going by absolute prim starting with her grandfather's kids. The Stuarts just turned out to be terrible rulers and their German descendants had to take over.

[@BiG-JuPO1O1]

@@umitencho That was because her greedy father manipulated King Edward who was dying. Lady Jane Grey knew it wasn't right for her to take the throne. Especially when Queen Mary Tudor was more popular and seen as rightful heir due to Catherine of Aragon being very popular and loved by England of that time period. Due to Lady Jane Grey father rebellion and threatening the crown, Mary was forced to execute Lady Jane Grey despite being against it. A course before her death, she tried to convince Lady Jane Grey to Catholicism. After Mary Tudor death, in France Queen Mary of Scots was actually announced as new Queen of England because Elizabeth was seen as illumingilment to the throne. In a way Mary of Scots has always felt she deserved to be next on the throne of England, at some point her legacy continues with her son King James 6th Scotland and 1st of England and Ireland.

[@realmccoy7632]

Exactly, but ya gotta have the protagonist be strong nd sheyitt

[@samsun99]

Why did he disown the Stuart line?

[@banan_9672]

This is beautiful. If there ever was a meeting between these two women, I believe it would be almost identical to this. We will never know. A woman on the throne had to worry about so much, especially with no spouse or heir and was a constant fear for Elizabeth. Mary did what she could to keep her country and her life, from start to finish. Her only crime was being a woman who wore a crown.

[@Pad13]

That and being part of the plot to have Elizabeth killed.

[@kyarden7971]

Her only crime was being incompetent. Elizabeth was also a woman and a queen but her reign was a great era of cultural flowering and elevating England (and the British Isles) as one of the great world powers. Elizabeth was an incredibly intelligent and knowledgeable person, and a great, albeit reluctant ruler. Mary was none of this and her failures were her own, not societal or of the men around her. If you do not wish to compare Mary to Elizabeth, then compare Mary to her mother Marie de Guise, who ruled very competently as a regent while Mary was a child in France.

[@banan_9672]

@@kyarden7971 no

[@mukunimulundika5359]

This was a brilliant film and why it never garnered Oscar nominations for both is beyond me.

[@flowerchild6309]

I agree!! it was a decent film & their performance was sublime especially in this scene.

[@melissam597]

I have mixed thoughts on the film itself but it's crazy neither actress was nominated. They were both excellent.

[@LanaDayne]

Everyone talking about inaccuracies, like let me go in my time machine and see if it checks out just to satisfy y'all, like damn, it's just a movie!

[@sof9861]

👏👏👏

[@Ronkyort0dox]

A bad one.

[@LanaDayne]

@@Ronkyort0dox and u could do better?

[@LanaDayne]

@Calcifer were u there in the middle ages? How well are u versed to speak on such issues?

[@NomadHorizons]

It's trying to make out Elizabeth as so much better though - which in this case is somewhat suspect considering how merciful the execution of her own mother Anne Boleyn was compared to the reality of MQS's grisly and brutal execution.

[@unmotivatedfan1643]

For a second I legit thought the Red Queen is getting her own spin off movie, Elizabeth I really look like the Red Queen

[@rainbowpuppet77]

thats because the tim burtons red queen was inspired by Queen Elizabeth the 1st and fun fact the original Disney cartoon version of the queen of hearts was inspired by queen victoria!

[@NomadHorizons]

@@rainbowpuppet77 Not surprising - the era of the earlier 20th century still all but worshipped Victoria while more recent decades of film seem to be obsessed with Elizabeth I for a reason probably having to do with the rise of feminism.

[@rainbowpuppet77]

@@NomadHorizons yeah that makes sense I mean Elizabeth really is an icon and creates a positive role model for young children in some ways so I can understand the obsession especially a woman in power can be hard to come by also I remember seeing something about the whole victoria thing where people just gravitated towards her for some reason I honestly have a clue as to the reason but its very interesting!

[@LowSlungBadBitch]

the red queen looks like elizabeth, as she was inspired by her

[@lolabrini3758]

makeup team needs an oscar just for doing the impossible: making margot robbie ugly. 😱never thought i would see that. That woman is other dimension beautiful

[@TisMePyper.S]

Well, historically speaking, the make up back then wasn't really that good, especially for Elizabeth I, with smallpox scars, her skin would have been quite bad too because of the make up. So, absolutely! They do need an Oscar. They did an incredible job with making it look authentic

[@LowSlungBadBitch]

she didnt look bad imo. the makeup being crumply was the only thing and that doesnt make her ugly. also I *LOVE* that nose, especially on her

[@i.i1215]

She is just blonde and blue eyed

[@ytuseracct]

@@i.i1215 and there are multiple actresses who look like her. literally there's a margot robbie cinematic universe.

[@weiwang2823]

In this picture, Margot looks like Jodie Foster. Amazing how hair style and make up can emphasize a face differently. You are all heroine to the world.

[@Kreznjrk]

It's shot just beautifully. On top of the set design and composition, even the sound editing is top notch.

[@Rat_Queen86]

I love both actresses so much. They are phenomenal

[@rammingspeed5217]

Queen Mary sounds like she grew up on a Kilmarnock housing scheme.. Unrealistic.. Plus the random BLACK dude.. Wtf is that about?.. Anoattempt at erasing white people from their OWN history

[@LoLFilmStudios]

They ruined the scene with everything else they did wrong in the movie, did this take place in the United States? Wth ware they thinking…

[@Rat_Queen86]

@@LoLFilmStudios I think it’s a US movie but it’s not meant to be historically accurate It’s based on the play I think?

[@ellie_ack6]

i have never seen this movie but i was brought to tears by this scene. such phenomenal acting, design, and camera work

[@nikoking825]

I keep seeing people in the comments insisting a "secret meeting" was impossible while others saying "well...just maybe." The thing is this movie while based on history is a historical drama and for narrative purposes it is a much more satisfying climax to have Mary and Elizabeth come fact-to-face.

[@youtubefreakyoutubefreak8071]

The acting is phenomenal

[@lukegray5528]

Truly 👌👌👌👏👏👏

[@Fantasy_lova]

Indeed

[@Ronkyort0dox]

It isn't. Saorsie was miscast

[@natalierozean5989]

The writing is beautiful

[@Bigbassdrum60]

The story is total CRAP.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Even though this scene is very likely ahistorical, it’s still wonderfully acted and extremely poignant.

[@Cristobels-Green-Boots]

@Sarasti S: It was so beautifully set up... the laundry hanging, representing veils... the process both would have to go through, before they could ‘see’ each other: I found all the designs in this production simply wondrous! Mary appears to be living inside a rock, which is hastily decorated as befits a noblewoman/queen: & the costumes! All were wonderful - I have this movie on DVD, & take great pleasure in re-watching it! 🙏🏽💔🙏🏻

[@antmagor]

One criticism I have of this film, there are multiple references to King Henry VIII of England. But I think there could’ve been a few references to Elizabeth’s half sister Mary I, she feared Elizabeth becoming queen and came dangerously close to having her executed for treason during her time on the throne. I thought that might have been good to bring into the dialogue as a way of articulating why Elizabeth struggled with The decision she made regarding Mary of Scots. Especially with regards to Mary’s execution. In one adaptation of Elizabeths story Mary (Tudor) actually had a chance to sign Elizabeth’s death warrant, but didn’t. In spite of everything that that happened between them, she loved her and couldn’t bring herself to do it. That could’ve added to the context of Elizabeth’s heartbreak when the tables were turned at the end of the movie and she followed through with the execution that her sister couldn’t bring herself to do.

[@thiskid990]

This is such an amazing idea

[@helenarichard]

Saoirse was amazing in Atonement, Little Women and Brooklyn.

[@aeraxxis]

"If I should seek to help your enemies....'tis only because you pushed me to their arms" How i felt with many people in my life

[@ne_sa1]

I am happy that Margot robbie is breaking out from that "dumb bombshell" label because most don't even get the chance to do so

[@ねこ男の子]

If anything that would be you putting that on her with comments like this. I never thought of her like that, ever. Never heard a single complaint or article call her that. Just you, and now thanks to that I have that image, AND she's doing Barbie???? Am I supposed to think she's a dumb blonde now? Man lol. You did that

[@ねこ男の子]

Incase you took that literally, no I will not think of her as a dumb blonde now xD

[@Damodred_Heiress]

No one has ever referred to Margot that way. Like ever. It’s a trope that you just slapped onto her.

[@sulaimanansar6306]

Both of them together couldn't give me even a single chill as compared to watching and listening Cate Blanchet as Elizabeth.

[@britt2dabrat344]

Facts Cate Blanchet was meant to play Elizabeth

[@HOAfan11]

IF THIS AINT THE DAMN TRUTH! Cate's prowess is unmatched.

[@davidmichael9624]

Why do so many people have such an incessant need to compare things??? It’s okay to appreciate two different performances in their own way, so weird to me how people can’t appreciate something these days without knocking down something else.

[@britt2dabrat344]

@@davidmichael9624 i dont think I was comparing the actresses per say I was comparing the performance. Cate Blanchet brought Elizabeth to life as a force to be wrecking with more authentic while Maggie Robbie was jus good playing Elizabeth beside the Movie Elizabeth had more facts than what Mary Queen of Scots provide cause these 2 powerhouses never met so that's probably why Maggie Robbies falls flat in certain scenes not because she wasnt good it was just bad story line

[@Ronkyort0dox]

Can't appreciate something that is bad

[@JRandaII]

I hate that people always treat Mary like a victim. Sure, she may have been a victim in some ways. But, she was not a victim of Elizabeth. Mary worked to have Elizabeth, not only deposed, but murdered. Even after all of that Elizabeth was reluctant to execute her. Mary’s hubris, lust, stupidity, and hate was her own downfall. No one else’s.

[@nadhu4044]

Mary was just so unlikeable in this movie and Elizabeth seemed powerless and weak in comparison to reality

[@e.jenima7263]

The way Elizabeth Shifts and meakly talks about how she had a wig specilly made for the occasion in a attempt to look her best because she essentially feels Ugly is truly sad and touching . The fact she is queen and had everything and still feels Ugly and inadequate makes her almost childlike. Fun Fact it was revealed after her death that Queen Mary Stuart allso wore a wigg so no need for old Lizzy to feel Less than in this scean. a Lot of women wore wigs and still do for many resons No one bc. after 30 a lot of women suffer from health and nutrient defficanies that cuase there hair to thin or fall out so no shame in having to wear a decent wigg if it makes you feel more beautiful and confidant ladies.

[@D34dfgRu45]

Saoirse Ronan makes an excellent Mary Queen of Scots

[@squareinsquare2078]

Margot Robbie is a spectacular actor.

[@JonahsWail]

Saoirse is such an elite actor

[@BeeKee404]

I really love this scene! Margot and Saoirse gave a great performance.

[@merlinho0t]

it would have been unwatchable imo without these two. they made this an enjoyable watch, even if it’s super inaccurate (not just this scene but multiple scenes.) yes i get that it’s fiction but the changes made were just ridiculous when they could have easily done it the historically correct way. either way i recommend this if you wanna see two powerhouse performances but other than that it’s not that great in every other way.

[@Ronkyort0dox]

It is unwatchable. Saorsie is particularly bad in this.

[@merlinho0t]

@@Ronkyort0dox lmao ok

[@seanbam1130]

@@Ronkyort0dox you're complaining under every comment lmao

[@ABirdOnTheMoon]

I always was interested in these two Queens .. Both of them knew where the powers lies but one early while the other is too late. Queen Elizabith had to give up a lot especially with what she had to deal with. She made herself suitable for the throne. Mary truly had herself doomed by her beauty and nativity? or even vain? Mary had a kind heart but knew nothing about how to keep everything. She had lost a lot .. and she is not winning here too. Poor Elizabith .. truly, the curse of her father is never ending.

[@yesterdayitrained]

Mary speaks of what could have been, the strong and close relationship they could have had. Their separate loneliness is palpable. But their respective positions forced them to very different places.

[@amn4295]

When talking about their battle, I think none of these two women can really be said as the winner or the loser. Mary got what she wanted, the two kingdoms (Scotland and England) to be united under her family's crown and end the bloodshed. Elizabeth also got what she wanted, to be not marrying, not have to share power with a husband, get rid of the only strongest rival to her throne, Mary, and ruled England in its golden age until the end of her life. But, let's not forget the points that determine the victory, which were "HEIR" and "RELIGION". Basically, these two countries are fighting for these two things. Mary failed in matters of religion, she was executed and accused of treason by her own people because of her religion, and even though her son ruled over two united nations, still his son eventually became a Protestant monarch. Elizabeth lost in terms of producing an heir, even though she was able to get rid of Mary and keep the country Protestant, still the current royal family get their legitimacy to a unified crown and can trace their lineage back to earlier kings (Tudor, York, Plantagenet, Norman, and Anglo Saxon), these are all from the Mary Stuart line.

[@kellymccain3403]

Truly phenomenal acting by 2 of the best in the business.

[@J.P.Robles]

Say what you will about this movie but they made Margot Robbie look completely unrecognizable She looks identical to the real Queen Elizabeth I from the portraits And they didn’t have to do anything to Saoirse because she already looks identical to Queen Mary Stuart

[@Cristobels-Green-Boots]

“How did it come to this?” If Mary Stuart had quietly gone on with her life in France, she, or her son, would have rightfully ascended to the English throne when Elizabeth died... 🙏🏽💔🙏🏻

[@laurajackson23]

And her son did ascend to the throne and become James 1st.

[@Cristobels-Green-Boots]

@@laurajackson23: Exactly! Mary was cajoled & flattered by the idea of leading a revolution against English (Protestant) rule, even though she had already produced an Heir to the English Throne... It’s extraordinary that English ‘powers that be’ could cause such suffering - Jeanne d’Arc also...before they were anything else, they were women - I can’t believe that ‘nurturing’ wasn’t in their true nature... 🙏🏻💔🙏🏽

[@scarlettsdollartreehacks]

And if Mary would have stayed in France she wouldn't have had her son.....

[@silentsmurf]

Mary was Catholic though and James was Protestant. Not foregone that the nobles then would have gone along with it

[@MightyJosh1985]

He did.

[@RAFHITS]

What a piece of acting they both have, chefs kiss

[@Ronkyort0dox]

Fire the chef then

[@xamalion7334]

After reading the biography of Elizabeth and piecing together what history handed down, this could have gotten worse quickly if that meeting really happened. Elizabeth was in no way an easy to talk to person. She was sharp tongued, not having disobedience or any shit and could get very bitchy from today's point of view, especially in her later years. My own interpretation is, that Elizabeth didn't like her, but also really didn't wanted to kill her because of her own experience with her sister Mary, as she was at her mercy and imprisoned in the tower before being housebound in Hatfield. In the end Elizabeth had no choice to sign her death warrant, to keep herself in power.

[@omarleon613]

Such a sparkly and unattainable performance 🎭!! Both are astonishing 🤩

[@Bigbassdrum60]

total bullshit

[@rammingspeed5217]

Nope.... MARY sounds like she grew up on a housing scheme..... Not how 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Royalty would talk.. Plus HOLLYWEIRDS attempts at shoehorning in BLACK diversity hires to replace ACRUAL white 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿. Disgusting

[@rammingspeed5217]

Lets get a white guy to play Nelson Mandella or Malcom X

[@insipidwallflower565]

Obviously this film is not historically accurate, but wow is the characterization of Elizabeth awful. She was strong, she lived through a lot of political turmoil before this, including her mother's execution, and here she cries because she is jealous of Mary? As if a woman who built a perfect public persona of herself would cry in front of someone she only just met face to face. This Elizabeth is a joke compared to Cate Blanchett's much better written iteration.

[@Ronkyort0dox]

Everything about this movie is awful. It was shunned by both viewers and critics, which is great.

[@insipidwallflower565]

@@Ronkyort0dox it could have been really good, its a shame. Both Margot and Saorise are great actresses and you can see it in their performances even here, but the writing just can't make up for it. I dont know if its a writing/directing issue either, or if she just didnt do any research, but it seems that margot fundamentally misunderstands Elizabeth, she seems meek.

[@moniquelucas5862]

@@insipidwallflower565 Then again its a movie about Mary not Elizabeth. So even with the horrible characterization that she got, Elizabeth had to be the antagonist to put Mary on a pedastal, beacuse in real life this is how Mary (along with her superiority complex) saw herself and Elizabeth.

[@darkworld5026]

Wow, a Chinese lady in waiting, and a black noble. Both in the 15th century. Who knew?

[@D34dfgRu45]

According to history Elizabeth never wanted Mary to be executed. They pushed the death warrant forward behind her back. When she found out she was devastated.n

[@ethelnagelberg1654]

Elizabeth had to sign the death warrant in order for the execution to proceed

[@beawitched5252]

Mary lived in France from 5-18years of age. She spoke English with a French accent, which didn’t help her popularity.

[@goldenvulture6818]

Jealousy & Envy are two utterly different things

[@em.415]

Never knew Margot Robbie played Queen Elizabeth.

[@lee_rhi]

This scene made me cry like- that's cinema. I love this movie sm 💕

[@wolfjedisamuel]

Elizabeth here looks like the Queen from Alice in Wonderland. Which is fitting since she later basically tell Mary Queen of Scott "off with her head"

[@brandon8365]

In the trailer the line was “your gifts will be your downfall”. Wonder why they changed it

[@andrewmcilwraith1997]

I know it's 425 years later or so but can you imagine how hard this is to watch for a Scottish person? Elizabeth knew it would be traumatic for the rest of history. She was right.

[@davidchoi5]

Great acting from both Queens. 🎉

[@theprisonerofzenda2862]

In this film happens the impossible: Queen Elizabeth is beautiful, except the make up nose, and Mary of Scot's is clearly less beautiful. It's been thought that exactly the opposite was the matter of the dislike between them. Elizabeth was ugly and Mary very beautiful with amazing charm. Mary of Scots was a dangerous woman, she wanted under any circumstances the crown. Mary wasn't a victim of Queen Elizabeth, but a victim of Queen Caterina de Medici and the diplomacy of the Cardinals. Mary needs a truly dramatic actress and this should be Margot Robbie with the stunning gift of her beauty, which is an advantage for the role.

[@Ronkyort0dox]

Both were homely.

[@theprisonerofzenda2862]

@@Ronkyort0dox There is a death mask of Mary, which presents a charming woman.

[@goodsoldiersfolloworders8150]

Hello, I really would like to learn more, from where do you have your Informations?

[@Ailuj234]

It would have changed history if they had actually met in real life.

[@Bigbassdrum60]

Ya, BUT THEY DIDN'T...And some assholes are trying to change history and make kids think they did...even kids in College. TELL THE F8CKING TRUTH.

[@BlueVO22]

Why

[@akirahs87]

Fiction or Historical, this scene speaks volumes.

[@roberto5561]

Apparently in real life Elizabeth met her in secret while she was in prison, and went to see her head and body later to make sure she was dead

[@Newsbro89]

Even though this meeting is fictional it is really cool to think what if they really did meet.

[@sunnicorran9244]

Mary of guise/ Mary Stewart, Queen of Scotts (cousin) Mary Tudor, Queen of England (aunt) Mary the first, Blood Mary (sister) Or so I've read from research. Damn, they were really fond of the name Mary over there in England.

[@andiilham6227]

who is Mary Tudor

[@sunnicorran9244]

@@andiilham6227 King Henry"s sister. She's also called Margarett.

[@Aces77777]

This never happened in history but the screenplay is amazing

[@beadmecreative9485]

So powerful … I don’t know why I shed tears 😂

[@yespls6260]

The actresses are great, but the dialogue in this scene is very absurd and unrealistic. There is no way that they would have been so emotional and transparent with each other given the situation.. they were complete strangers. I think this might've been better if in the film they had both "imagined" what having this conversation would've been like rather than pretending that they actually did have it.

[@stephanietan4389]

Intense conversation. Wow !! Powerful actresses !!!

[@haikaikokoni369_]

They should have ruled England and Scotland together as sisters and defied the men who tried to destroy them. Such as tragic history for both. Mary evidently moreso.

[@alexhoneybee9677]

This scene was EVERYTHING

[@sammiepittman3130]

Elizabeth was really looking at her like she was crazy 😂. Girl you bringing up my father, calling yourself MY Queen, when I’m the one with the crown. Tf? You don’t even got a solid plan to get it.

[@reputation1990]

lol saoirse is great tho

[@MaeyiQuinn]

This movie was about as accurate as Braveheart. Cinema just hates anything with Scots. EDIT: It's a joke, ladies, it's a joke. Am Scottish here, I couldn't give an actual toss, it's just a movie, relax LOL

[@TheJuiceor]

everyone loves Outlander

[@Leleche]

As a Scottish woman, you're talking shite

[@madam-mim]

It's called historical fiction for a reason.

[@mop2254]

How does Cinema/Hollywood hate Scots? These movies inflate everything they've done to make them heroes with few flaws.

[@Ronkyort0dox]

Historical fiction aims at being accurate. This is fantasy with an historical twist.

[@ayaretgonzalez27078]

“Your gifts are your downfalls” really says the genius poisoning herself with led over vanity

[@MountainPearls]

IF they ever met (and that is a big IF) there is no way Queen Elizabeth I (or Mary Queen of Scotts) wouldn’t have made sure they looked their best. I get what they are trying to do here-make them look like regular women-but they would never EVER have presented themselves in this way to each other. Any one who has read about them- even a little bit- would know that. There was no was Elizabeth would have taken her wig off like that!

[@MauriceRivers415]

Exactly, but Elizabeth's face definitely would've been caked with lead makeup. They had no idea it was filled with toxic lead, so she just kept putting more on. Her face would've looked this hideous, without question.

[@gr8pillock]

I struggle with this portrayal of Elizabeth. It’s a good scene, but from all my reading of the woman, she wouldn’t go teary-eyed at how Mary spoke to her. She was a Virgo. Cry later in private, yes. Let Mary SEE tears, no.

[@gummybears1809]

Elizabeth what an amazing queen!

[@Monkonmunky]

This conversation is beyond outlandish. Idk who came up with the dialogue but it is very bad. Mary is not her Queen. Mary is delusional and she probably was in real life too which would explain why she constantly got herself into one bad situation after another. Mary's delusional status is the only thing therefore that is accurate about this ridiculous scene. Elizabeth's claim on England was far stronger than Mary's which is probably why she was Queen of England and not Mary.

[@BadBoyBobby85]

The protestant church of England was still very new from Henry viii's schism with the holy Roman church, and very weak. Lineage determined sovereignty and Elizabeth was a childless protestant. If France or Spain had succeeded Mary would have been made queen, by right

[@faithworldleader6891]

The 1971 film with Vanessa Redgraves and Glenda Jackson is 200% better than this effort. And has a lovely film score by John Barry.

[@Ronkyort0dox]

Better actresses, better script.

[@tiffanyl4829]

Wow, this is some bad dialogue. She wouldn't have mentioned Elizabeth's mother's beheading like it was a bad thing. Her people supported it because they were pro-Catholic. She was smart enough to not call Elizabeth her inferior when begging for help. Elizabeth was the stronger personality of the two. Even Reign did this better on CW budget.

[@speed_poet]

I love this film, even though it's quite a fantasy revisionism of history.

[@soniandukwe8981]

Imagine thinking you’re so hideous and you have to go through all this trouble.

[@toddjohnson271]

"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground." Cersei Lannister.......fictional but true.

[@mariac2343]

Everyone had abandoned her, and this movie is supposed to have her as the protagonist being the title character, but the Director and storytellers have a hard time portraying her in a good light, this scene perfectly shows how impossible it was not to behead her. Her life was hanging by a thread even then, Elizabeth warned her that her fate is in her hands, and Elizabeth kept her under such safety for half a lifetime, but protection with no one else in the world to help her proved too much that Mary wrote some thing to condemn her to execution. I’m still processing the fact that she’s supposed to be the protagonist, and the reality of her life makes it impossible to do so. I saw another movie called gunpowder and plot, which shows her equally unhinged. You can see the same defiance in teenagers at school today. Mary could not develop or behave into her 40s.

[@kaylynzamora]

I love their acting

[@rammingspeed5217]

Its sh1te.. Nobody in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 sounds like that... And especially not 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Nobility.. Plus the DIVERSITY HIRE.. Hahaha.. Hollyweird trying to erase white 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 from its OWN history.

[@Fos3tex]

Why does Hollywood always give Mary, Queen of Scots, a Scottish accent??? She was relocated to France at the age of 5 and moved back when she was 18!!! She would have a French accent!! Hollywood has no concept of actual history!

[@IvysPoison1987]

im more weirded out that mary has a scottish accent, she was raised in france since she was 5

[@2Littletony]

Saoirse was amazing

[@lelec3818]

as i studied history i thought mary stuart's murder turned out to be pointless in the end. elizabeth didn't have any heirs and a stuart (james, mary's son) ruled right after her anyways, leaving the kingdom to the stuarts for many years to come.

[@Brownie2102]

It wasn't pointless, Mary was actively involved in plots to murder Elizabeth I on mutiple occasions in cahoots with Philip II of Spain and nobeled english catholics. In fact there is a letter in which she calls Mary out for trying to lure her to the north where she would have been kidnapped. It wasn't that Elizbeth didn't want the Staurt line (she believed strongly in primigenia) it's Mary's Catholicism made her a lightening rod for rebellion.

[@paulwheeler8913]

Mary didn’t speak with a Scottish accent but with French one. She spent most of her life living in France…

[@emmalouie1663]

They look like they are on an alien star trek set... what on earth is this.

[@matteusconnollius1203]

Why would being a Stuart give her a greater claim to England? Mary's claim to the throne was based on being descended from a Tudor, Henry VIII's sister Margaret

[@notbill08]

It didn't! The Stuarts had no claim to the English throne. The only questionable point is that Elizabeth was conceived while Henry VIII was still married to Catherine of Aragon. Elizabeth was technically a bastard. This might have given Mary more legitimacy but not a better claim.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Hold up, why was the lady who was Queen Elizebeth's friend Asian? And why was Queen Mary's attendant Black?

[@LilacDaisy2]

I would like to know how it fits into the plot, too. Very unusual for the time, so I'm wondering if this fictional version of the queen had an exotic taste to be entertained with such employees. Their English accent is also curious, for the time. I wonder how they were introduced!

[@Nesharen123]

There were “Moors” aka Northern Africans who were brought into court, either as slaves or at times as freemen of nobility, brought under “guardianship” of someone in a Scottish court. The Dutch and British by then had connection to the East, so it wouldn’t be surprising that they had “attendants” or a lady in waiting who was Asian, brought over “as a gift”. I believe Marie Antionette had a Asian woman in her court.

[@loveconqueror]

@@Nesharen123 no.

[@taylorsouthall739]

@@loveconqueror Everything they said is true. There's a great book called Black Tudors that discusses the presence of free black people permanently residing in England throughout the Tudor Era, some of whom would regularly attend the courts of Henry VII, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I and James I. While obviously much rarer than it is today, there have always been non-white people living in England throughout most of history.

[@vagabond57097]

@@Nesharen123 Moors were not black. Moors were predominantly Berbers and Arabs. Black people were never a significant population of Moors. Moors resembled other Mediterranean Europeans at the time like the Spaniards, Portuguese, Southern Italians and Greeks. Intermarriage between ethnic Spaniard and Southern Italian women with Moorish men were common, so their genes were mixed and a lot of Moors were white skinned with light features. Thats why a lot of Spanish and Portuguese people today have significant percentages of North African ancestry despite being white. Black people would have been looked down at as inferior in 16th Century English society, so showing them as high ranking officials in court is completely dishonest lol

[@robertb4000]

7:08 the truth is that Mary actually also have short hair and with grey color

[@kaspermigi9456]

they had Asian maids and Black guards in 1600 AD? lmfaoooo!

[@hothotheat3000]

Mary damned herself with her final line. Liz had no choice after that.

[@lucayoung_]

I don't really care about "historical accuracy" in the literal sense of the word "accuracy". Movies and series will always have a touch of the author's creative imagination and that's pretty cool. But when you set out to portray the story of someone who really existed, you need to at least make the context of your screen life coherent with your real life. And that's where this movie bothers me. Hollywood abuses a lot of clichés and modern themes; in this film, for example, about the motivations of the characters and their attitudes. Something that is totally “teen culture” of the 21st century. In Mary's time, religion was something infinitely more important than today, for example. And that was a major factor in her motivations and attitudes. If the movie had addressed that more, it would certainly have been more enjoyable to watch. The acting of the actresses would also be further explored. This is so emotionally charged, that in Mary's farewell letter (written the night before her execution) to the current King of France she explicitly states that the main reason for her death was her Catholic religion. So much so that she dressed in a scarlet-colored dress, symbolizing being a martyr. In short, a film with dazzling sets and costumes, brilliant actresses, but with a script made in the same way as the cliché dramas of the current industry.

[@vagabond57097]

Not to mention that they have black and chinese people walking about in high positions of the English court in the 16th century... totally believable

[@RayssaNeves123]

"Reign"...is about young Mary.