Mary Tudor, Queen of England: ‘Bloody Mary’ or Troubled Monarch?

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@Biographics
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@anilkumarmuppirala1564
@anilkumarmuppirala1564 3 жыл бұрын
finnaly been waiting for this for a while thanks a lot
@Digitalhunny
@Digitalhunny 3 жыл бұрын
Loving all your hard work, 'team of a thousand channels'. Although we only see dear Simon, we _know_ you're there. Writing, editing, stressing, researching & meeting deadlines. We see you, your hearts are in it. Thank you so much for everything you do. Without you Simon couldn't be everywhere, entertaining us, teaching us & keeping us sane during this ol' pandemic. You're the bestest 🤗💖🇨🇦
@lucinae8510
@lucinae8510 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking as huge history buff whose interest started with Elizabeth I (even changed my middle name to hers), I don't think she was an awful ruler. Her existence had been hated and used since birth, Catholicism was the only place where she felt at peace, and was denied happiness time and again even when she finally sat on the throne. Eventually, she had succumb to madness due to loneness and died. But her executions really weren't as huge as everyone thinks, she started reforms in the country and navy that her successor perfected and losing Calais actually resulted in the French paying to have it. By centuries after her death, bias historians believe her rule to be a blemish to Elizabeth I's seemingly flawless long and prosperous reign. I won't deny she is nothing compared to her sister's much better reign, but the fact remains that she was England's first proper queen and I will remember her as such. *When I found out about 'Bloody Mary', I thought it to be a stupidly inaccurate and offensive name! Might as well call Tony Blair 'Wary Tony'!*
@--enyo--
@--enyo-- 3 жыл бұрын
Suggestion: Queen Anne, last of the Stuarts.
@anarchyantz1564
@anarchyantz1564 3 жыл бұрын
6:48 Henry becomes George VIII
@gabrielethier2046
@gabrielethier2046 3 жыл бұрын
Catherine of Aragon was a princess, not the Queen of Aragon, she was however, the Queen of England
@DenethordeSade.90
@DenethordeSade.90 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@melissafern6025
@melissafern6025 3 жыл бұрын
Came to write the same thing. Thanks
@johntshorter
@johntshorter 3 жыл бұрын
@@melissafern6025 beat me to it, lol
@MichaelJohnson-kx3ln
@MichaelJohnson-kx3ln 3 жыл бұрын
What about the Tudders of West Texas, & Katherine Kitty Cat the Queeny & her Texas Knights in shinin beer can armour...like ah knight in shinin armour!! Like that there 80s song said.
@DivaViews
@DivaViews 3 жыл бұрын
I was like, bruh, not even 90 seconds in with the first mistake? Who is running post production on these?
@theangelbelow88
@theangelbelow88 3 жыл бұрын
This seems like a case of "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".
@symonew33
@symonew33 3 жыл бұрын
I never even thought about the fact that every time Mary started liking her stepmothers they died 😕
@michaelbaughman4017
@michaelbaughman4017 3 жыл бұрын
Talk about the kiss of death 😷
@cheerfulsatanist
@cheerfulsatanist 3 жыл бұрын
History did show that anne of Cleve's was pretty chill with her, though by then she was technically an "aunt" since henry made made her an unofficial sister instead of sending here back.
@bethjenkins4687
@bethjenkins4687 2 жыл бұрын
If either of them had lived I believe the outcome would have been noticiebly different.
@thatfunkyduck
@thatfunkyduck 2 жыл бұрын
@symonew33 Why do you think royal families of Western Europe interest you like they do? Not a criticism, just curious. It's a pretty common interest among American women (or maybe Americans in general), and I've always wondered what peaked the interest.
@robertstrong6798
@robertstrong6798 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think she liked Anne very much lol
@123popup
@123popup 3 жыл бұрын
Her mother Katherine of Aragon is a fascinating study as well. She helped hold down the fort in England against a scottish rebel uprising while Henry VIII was away fighting France.
@allinenw
@allinenw 3 жыл бұрын
KoA was a total badass. Her going down in history as a poor discarted wife is very unfair.
@mgthestrange9098
@mgthestrange9098 3 жыл бұрын
Moreover, he lost and she won. 😛😂
@areiaaphrodite
@areiaaphrodite 3 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting on a video on Queen Katherine of Aragon, my favorite of Henry's wives. Everyone seems to like Anne Boleyn but I don't think that Katherine gets enough credit for being the beloved Queen that she was.
@MsJubjubbird
@MsJubjubbird 3 жыл бұрын
Also her Katherine's parents would be interesting and her older sister. And her aunt Margaret of Scotland
@philread7668
@philread7668 3 жыл бұрын
Hold the fort, not hold down the fort.
@Concetta20
@Concetta20 3 жыл бұрын
Anne of Cleves: “Henry swiped left”. 😆😆😆
@walterthecat2145
@walterthecat2145 3 жыл бұрын
you're not funny
@majackslelo827
@majackslelo827 3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣
@julesvanels6116
@julesvanels6116 3 жыл бұрын
Was she the princess who almost married with king Philip 2 of Spain?
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, was Anne Of Cleeves the original catfish?
@kenzieuchiha1191
@kenzieuchiha1191 3 жыл бұрын
@@borismuller86 Nope, if anybody was the catfish it was Henry VIII.
@NDTexan
@NDTexan 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the actual balanced remembrance of monarchs in comparison to each other. Fact is most of how we consider all these monarchs is based a lot on the propaganda of the time that persists to this day and not just a basic reading of facts. Doesn't excuse any of the things they did but context is always key. It's history and historiography
@sherlockgnomes8971
@sherlockgnomes8971 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, what is it with Texans and fake news 😆?
@kathgibbs2881
@kathgibbs2881 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Other Suggestions: Abraham Lincoln: The Great Emancipator Henry VIII: The Tyrannical Tudor King Elizabeth I: The Virgin Queen
@Mogijup
@Mogijup 3 жыл бұрын
I vote for Elizabeth I!! Great ideas, Kath!
@laskmj24
@laskmj24 2 жыл бұрын
What’s interesting is that when Mary was campaigning for support to get the crown she didn’t mention a thing about religion. She knew that the people wanted the continuation of the Tudor line and therefore she just kept reminding everyone “I am King Henry’s daughter. Jane isn’t!” Obviously that tactic worked!
@allinenw
@allinenw 3 жыл бұрын
Love the narration and the vids in general but: Mary's mother was never styled Queen of Aragon, she was an Infanta/Princess. Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England. Betrothal between children was very common in those times. It was a long road between a betrothal and marriage and then to consumation. Betrothals were alliances and not much more. Also, it's said that Charles V was "her mother's cousin". No, no. Charles was Mary's cousin, nephew of Catherine of Aragon, son of Catherine's sister Juana of Castile (la Loca).
@amaramoramei9959
@amaramoramei9959 3 жыл бұрын
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@Isildun9
@Isildun9 3 жыл бұрын
At one point, I think he actually refered to Henry as George.
@donaldwesterhazy9333
@donaldwesterhazy9333 3 жыл бұрын
@@Isildun9 I caught that also.
@ryandebosscher6821
@ryandebosscher6821 3 жыл бұрын
Slavery and a general lack of human rights used to be common too, doesn't make it any less fked 😂🤷‍♂️ That said I hear ya wasn't like they were the only people marrying off infants, buuut still that's fked 😂
@allinenw
@allinenw 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryandebosscher6821 A betrothal and what we understand as marriage today are two TOTALLY different things. Not acceptable but it would be more comparable to parents (still today in some cultures) choosing their children's husbands/wives. Nothing more. As I said, it was just an alliance, and betrothals were simply ignored very often when politics changed.
@TheLhester1965
@TheLhester1965 3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that Mary was so tortured during her youth, and shown the selfish Henry VIII, that she was predestined to be a ruthless Queen. All she ever wanted was the love of her father and to marry and have children. None of this ever happened.
@--enyo--
@--enyo-- 3 жыл бұрын
You can see why Catholicism would have become so important to her. It was a rock in a world that changed for her very suddenly, and something of her mother's that she could hang on to. Further, in England she was now a bastard, whereas the Catholic world continued to maintain she was heir and princess, and that her parents were still legally married.
@TheHistoryPrincess
@TheHistoryPrincess 3 жыл бұрын
Agree. I think recent scholarship has shown a more sympathetic view towards mary and her troublesome childhood. Let's just be happy shakespeare didn't write a play about her like he did Richard III. There would be no luck for her then
@jaspercorbyn8678
@jaspercorbyn8678 3 жыл бұрын
I've had some disappoints too but I don't go round setting people on fire
@TheLhester1965
@TheLhester1965 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaspercorbyn8678 it's really not in vogue at the moment. But, bow to your brilliance with that comment.
@TheLhester1965
@TheLhester1965 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheHistoryPrincess i just finished white Queen and am listening to White Princess. I have to say, I'm kinda glad he was lost for that long under a parking lot. It's actually too good for him.
@duncanmcgee13
@duncanmcgee13 3 жыл бұрын
Tony Stark: Eggs? Breakfast? Thor: No. I'd like a Bloody Mary.
@fbauzo024fb
@fbauzo024fb 3 жыл бұрын
@UltimateShamrock but you got the reference, right?
@VampireSexGoddess
@VampireSexGoddess 3 жыл бұрын
I have never been a big fan of Mary Tudor but her story is fascinating. She was dealt an unfair hand, being treated so poorly by her father for half of her life. Edit: I blame Henry for much of it. I know Anne dealt her own damage, but Henry would have kicked Catherine to the curb anyway. If it wasn't for Anne, it would have been for someone else.
@andrewyarosh1809
@andrewyarosh1809 3 жыл бұрын
So that makes her being a murderous religious fantastic and self deceiving nut job OK with you....
@sayuas4293
@sayuas4293 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao, the inspirational story of how "a woman overcame her obstacles" and became a mass murderer. She had such an unfair life. The people who she burned to death... meh... she was a strong woman. Signed, a feminist.
@tosinakin2508
@tosinakin2508 3 жыл бұрын
@@sayuas4293 She did have an unfair life. She did overcome many obstacles. She was also a mass murderer, like many other of her contemporary monarchs including Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. Let's not forget that "Good Queen Bess" killed at least twice many Catholics during her reign in the name of securing Protestantism. No one even remembers them. The only reason she gets away with that is because she learned from her sister's mistakes and found ways to work around the traditional execution method for heresy (burning). Well, that and some very strategic propaganda. Regardless, a lot of strong and/or famous men and women have done terrible things. Mary being strong, if that's how you want to see her, does not make the things she did okay or not terrible. Those terrible things, likewise, would not make her any less strong. Contextualization is not justification. Also, can we stop making it seem like feminism condones every awful thing in the name of "girl power?" That's disingenuous.
@leanorofaquitainemysonisaf2691
@leanorofaquitainemysonisaf2691 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewyarosh1809 according to the Black Legend - Protestant Propaganda -, yes, Mary of Tudor was a "monster" for killing around 700 people. But Elizabeth seized English population by killing more than 30 thousand people; but yet she's "the queen of the golden age" "muh Spanish Armada", but England surrendered in 1604 - lol.
@dontgetjazzywithit
@dontgetjazzywithit 2 жыл бұрын
@@sayuas4293 this gives such incel vibes 🤩
@robanybody4064
@robanybody4064 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do a Biographics on Agatha Christie? Besides her stunning writing career, Christie had many notable accomplishments in her life, as well as disappearing mysteriously for a few days after her divorce from her first husband.
@missyrose2154
@missyrose2154 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and then also please do JK Rowling. The woman is amazing she went from welfare to the first self made billionaire author in history! But more importantly she turned so many kids teens and adults on to reading . She is truly one of a kind.
@martytu20
@martytu20 3 жыл бұрын
Missy Rose She’s also something of a feminist supremacist (at the expense of transgendered and non binary)
@bethjenkins4687
@bethjenkins4687 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love that too!
@katielancaster6376
@katielancaster6376 3 жыл бұрын
Any woman connected to henry viii was bound to have issues with love, marriage. I kinda feel sorry for her overall. Woman had some issues
@ambebhavani
@ambebhavani 3 жыл бұрын
They usually do.
@katielancaster6376
@katielancaster6376 3 жыл бұрын
@@ambebhavani women typically do or just those connected with Henry?
@rachelb1502
@rachelb1502 3 жыл бұрын
@@ambebhavani and it's usually caused by men 😂
@snowangelnc
@snowangelnc 3 жыл бұрын
There were other factors too, but this background at least in part explains why Elizabeth never married.
@ShannonCarter55
@ShannonCarter55 3 жыл бұрын
@@snowangelnc and she was likely raped by Thomas Seymour, Katherine Parr's final husband. Katherine Parr was devastated by this and managed to get Elizabeth away.
@matthewmisener7759
@matthewmisener7759 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this Biographics. I have always been an admirer of Mary Tudor. A truly remarkable woman. I think the evil of Henry VIII is to blame for any suspected malfeasance of Mary‘s reign. We also have to remember that, there was 100 years of slander against Mary that happened in England after her death. I’m not saying that she did nothing wrong, just that some of the gruesome details have been exaggerated.
@ShannonCarter55
@ShannonCarter55 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't help that Protestants were being prosecuted like crazy on the continent and that fear bled into the English psyche. This is why James II found himself in trouble mostly. And Louis XIV turned persecuting non Catholics into an art form during his reign. Didn't help that thanks to a fake document over centuries Catholicism practically damaged all monarchies by allowing to play politics and interfere in a secret way when it suits them. One of the reason the Jews got bad luck for centuries (now they have their homeland back and are determined to keep it).
@gothngo2943
@gothngo2943 3 жыл бұрын
We did a thorough podcast episode about Mary I. (Monarchs & Malarkey) I absolutely think she has an unfair reputation. ALL the Tudors were terrible. MOST the monarchs in general were up until Victoria. But she also suffered egregiously. What she saw her mother go through? I can't say I entirely fault her for anything she did, even as I balk at the horror of it.
@PeggyPegg
@PeggyPegg 3 жыл бұрын
You called Henry VIII “George VIII” at the 6:49 mark.
@globetrotter3956
@globetrotter3956 3 жыл бұрын
Vlll*
@kizW29
@kizW29 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I wasn’t the only one to notice that! And yeah. VII not XIII
@eddiel7635
@eddiel7635 3 жыл бұрын
Keira Watson VIII
@kizW29
@kizW29 3 жыл бұрын
Eddie L haha! Damn it!
@AlexandraKuper
@AlexandraKuper 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@ignitionfrn2223
@ignitionfrn2223 3 жыл бұрын
1:00 - Chapter 1 - Teenage wasteland 6:45 - Chapter 2 - Beheaded, Died , Divorced, Beheaded, Survived 10:15 - Mid roll ads 11:20 - Chapter 3 - Mary triumphant 14:40 - Chapter 4 - Mary the queen 20:55 - Chapter 5 - Mary the bloody
@mimic.d7018
@mimic.d7018 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always felt bad for Mary. Given her rather traumatic childhood as well as a rather chaotic society inherited by her younger brother, Mary was a remarkably successful monarch. As historian Ives (I think) said, ‘the chief problem was the brevity of her reign’. Elizabeth’s success was due to propaganda essentially, which Mary did not prioritise do to her other priorities.
@xessenceofinsanityx
@xessenceofinsanityx 3 жыл бұрын
King...George VIII? Slow down, George VII is still in grade school!
@maximilianolimamoreira5002
@maximilianolimamoreira5002 3 жыл бұрын
for king George,and old Britain forever.😄
@longwhitemane
@longwhitemane 3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣 Too funny! I was just listening to Simon when I heard, "...George VIII" & my first thought was, "WTH is George VIII? Have I missed a monarch somewhere?" Then I saw the correction. 😜
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 3 жыл бұрын
Assuming he even styles himself George.
@hetalianotaku7103
@hetalianotaku7103 3 жыл бұрын
While Elizabeth did have more Catholics executed, 1) She reigned 40 years longer than Mary. 2) Most of those Catholics were plotting to overthrow and/or kill her.
@The_Sigillite
@The_Sigillite 3 жыл бұрын
Plus optics, never forget the optics. "Virginal Glorianna" rings a little nicer than "Mary the Spaniard shagger".
@hetalianotaku7103
@hetalianotaku7103 3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Sigillite I'm not gonna act like Elizabeth didn't have her flaws. Nor am I gonna act like Mary didn't have an awful childhood. But Elizabeth was at the very least a more competent ruler. And rather than leave the past in the past, Mary behaved like a perpetual victim.
@hetalianotaku7103
@hetalianotaku7103 3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Sigillite I'm actually hoping this channel eventually covers either Æthelflæd, the legendary Lady of the Mercians, or her father, Alfred the Great, aka one of only two English kings titled "the Great" and who certainly earned it by single-handedly driving the Vikings out of England.
@cotybare9720
@cotybare9720 3 жыл бұрын
I so missed your comment... I said the same thing!
@robertbailey4243
@robertbailey4243 3 жыл бұрын
May I take this time my fine chap to say you have a beard that could weather a blizzard🧐
@paulwrubel8816
@paulwrubel8816 3 жыл бұрын
The beard gods blessed him with a good one
@ryandebosscher6821
@ryandebosscher6821 3 жыл бұрын
And it's well trimmed, dare I say it's a beautiful bushy beard😂
@ijustchangedmyname
@ijustchangedmyname 3 жыл бұрын
Just Google a picture of a guitar god named John Petrucci. He is the beard king.
@DerptyDerptyDUM
@DerptyDerptyDUM 3 жыл бұрын
Aye, 'tis a hearty beast.
@QueenAusetHeru
@QueenAusetHeru 3 жыл бұрын
It is pretty impressive 🥰
@chompchompchangbin
@chompchompchangbin 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the question at the end. Centuries now, women who can't have kids or choose not to have kids have been portrayed as this way, that they're a lesser than human because of it. It's not to mention that she was not the typical woman for her time. She wasn't docile, she wasn't submissive - she stood for something and she didn't back down. Even now, a woman being that way is always seen as a horrible person.
@The_Sigillite
@The_Sigillite 3 жыл бұрын
How Elizabeth 1st fit into this equation? Strong willed, powerful, childless and an executer of many, and yet she is remembered as glorious. It would seem to me that it is more the circumstances of the times that paint the action of a monarch as great or evil, rather than simply a factor of their sex. Often the matter falls to how they choose to publicise themselves.
@shadehunter
@shadehunter 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know anyone that looks down on someone that can't have children or chooses not to. I also don't know a single soul that looks down on strong, independent women. But.... okay.
@AWKWARDCONFIDENCE
@AWKWARDCONFIDENCE 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadehunter Do you speak for the world? I know sooo many
@thatfunkyduck
@thatfunkyduck 2 жыл бұрын
Nowadays, those women are literally prolonging our demise from overpopulation. In a perfect 2021 world, women without children would be celebrated, and women would be encouraged to not have kids. At the same time, however, pregnancy would be celebrated once it occurred because it's too late anyway
@manifestgtr
@manifestgtr 2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Sigillite Dude, what are you doing? You’re not supposed to question that narrative. You’re supposed to nod along and go “that’s riiiight” in a barely sentient monotone.
@reythejediladyviajakku6078
@reythejediladyviajakku6078 3 жыл бұрын
I doula say troubled. Her father’s abuse and neglect of her added with the whole Annie Boleyn as the evil stepmother twisted her up
@danielpavlick5006
@danielpavlick5006 3 жыл бұрын
She wasn't twisted. Henry VIII and Elizabeth I both killed many more people than she did but history remembers her, and not them, as "Bloody" because it is written by the victors.
@LjuboCupic1912
@LjuboCupic1912 3 жыл бұрын
Daniel Pavlick her reign was a lot shorter than either of them. If it had been around the same length, she would have killed way more people. The people who think calling Mary twisted is wrong are just ignorant, if you ask me.
@xxxxxx5062
@xxxxxx5062 3 жыл бұрын
@@LjuboCupic1912 that isnt true, actually, because henry killed 72,000 people in 38 years, which is around 1900 people a year. mary killed 300 people in 5 years, which is only 60 per year
@ShannonCarter55
@ShannonCarter55 3 жыл бұрын
@@xxxxxx5062 might've had to with her methods. Plus what she did to the former Archbishop of Canterbury. Methods of killing usually define your reign.
@BarbarellaAlpha
@BarbarellaAlpha 3 жыл бұрын
lol rey the mary bloody sue
@Chipoo88
@Chipoo88 3 жыл бұрын
How refreshing to see a much more balanced account of Mary’s life and achievements, whereas she is normally overly vilified and made out to be some medieval monster when her actions where always a reaction to treats to her safety and that of what was after all England before a royal divorce was sought; her reactions were the same as every single monarch before her, and some after her
@The_Sigillite
@The_Sigillite 3 жыл бұрын
She remained strong for so long, right up until she thought she had accomplished all her goals, then it all started tumbling away; her marriage, her dreams of a Catholic England, her chance to be a mother. Perhaps in the end she was too much Henry's daughter for her own good.
@onkabetsekwili2954
@onkabetsekwili2954 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on all the Tudors. Elizabeth I, Henry Viii, Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn,
@savagedarksider5934
@savagedarksider5934 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Arthur Tudor.
@robinhumphrey2692
@robinhumphrey2692 3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss
@areiaaphrodite
@areiaaphrodite 3 жыл бұрын
@@savagedarksider5934 you mean Arthur? Lol
@michaelbellone1680
@michaelbellone1680 3 жыл бұрын
Catalina de Aragon was not a Tudor, she was of the House of Trastámara.
@areiaaphrodite
@areiaaphrodite 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbellone1680 she's obviously a Tudor by marriage. Like when a woman's last name changes when she marries a man. Wtf, how do you not get that concept?
@pinkrelic
@pinkrelic 2 жыл бұрын
please make a video about anne boleyn next!
@Ellen_sanyang
@Ellen_sanyang 3 жыл бұрын
"Any other cinderella would have accepted her fate as an errand girl whiles staging musical routines with a bunch of mice"🤣🤣🤣🤣.. simon why 😂😂😆
@harrietharlow9929
@harrietharlow9929 3 жыл бұрын
I put much of the blame on her father, Henry VIII. No child could go through what Mary went through and turn out normal.
@xxxxxx5062
@xxxxxx5062 3 жыл бұрын
i completely agree. i love mary so much. henry deserves to burn in hell for what he did to katherine and mary
@PaulEcosse
@PaulEcosse 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh all I knew of her was the Queen Mary (Hull 534) built on the Clyde, sister ship to Queen Elizabeth (Hull 552). Very informative.
@bam-skater
@bam-skater 3 жыл бұрын
The Rogano restaurant is kitted out 'in the style' of the QMs state rooms. Of course, it's just coincidence that both the QM and the Rogano were built/opened so close to each other at the same time and I'm also sure there was absolutely no pilfering from the yard workers into Mr Roganos new enterprise for a free lunch. Anything else is just scurrilous hearsay ;)
@PaulEcosse
@PaulEcosse 3 жыл бұрын
@@bam-skater I was happy to hear that the Rogano is remaining open, it was close to death a few weeks ago, at least in the rumour mill. Yes half the interiors for these ships and even up until the QE2 when my dad was building it, ended up in tenements along Dumbarton Road, from Curtains to Carpets. 😂
@renshiwu305
@renshiwu305 3 жыл бұрын
Devotees of Gloriana like to cite Elizabeth I's speech at Tilbury as the height of royal female courage, but Mary's stand in Framlingham and London, during the Grey succession and Wyatt's Rebellion respectively, far outstrip anything her half-sister did.
@sempermutabilibus8300
@sempermutabilibus8300 3 жыл бұрын
I've read about Mary Tudor's life a lot and watched some documentaries too, but it's always something else hearing it from you! Thanks a lot for all your efforts 💕
@tumelomogashoa6710
@tumelomogashoa6710 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I've noticed about Queen Mary and her place in history and alot of other misunderstood historical figures is that history seems to often retell the 'hero vs villain' story, quite often at the expense of the "villian". For example, Bloody Mary (aka Queen Mary) vs Glorius Gloriana (aka Elizabeth I). I think this is a sad thing alot of modern historians do abd in doing this we forget that society and common ethical expectations were different back then. Mary was a product of her time and generation and though she committed, what we would call today, human rights violations (which really wasn't even an idea until maybe after the trans Atlantic slave trade and maybe after the world wars) we should still remember what she went through as a young girl and then as a woman as well as her achievements during her reign. Elizabeth the first, though a great leader, had a body count that surpasses her sister by a large amount. Honestly I feel that hatred towards Mary was merely due to the fact that sje was a catholic monarch aiming to preserve catholisim instead of a protestant preserving protestantism (Britain's current national religon). I've seen many documentaries and articles about Queen Mary but this one of very few videos I've found that paints a more human picture of Mary, not jusy the bloody ruler but the victim of history, pre 18th century politics and her own hubris. Thanks for another great episode 👍🏽😁 keep em' coming!!!! 😀
@tumelomogashoa6710
@tumelomogashoa6710 3 жыл бұрын
Also another thing I've noticed about Elizabeth and Mary was how quickly after Mary's death, she was painted as the 'wicked catholic monarch' and Elizabeth the 'saintly virgin protestant' . Political and Religious propaganda? I think so... 🤔
@TribalMatriarch
@TribalMatriarch 10 ай бұрын
Elizabeth indeed had a higher body count, but that was over 45 years rather than 5 and was usually in response to plots against her.
@mystique5113
@mystique5113 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. I never saw her in this light. It's new and it's making me feel ashamed of myself for judging her 🙈
@trishapellis
@trishapellis 2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in a video about Philip II of Spain - I never knew he was married to an English monarch, all I know of him is the drama that happened surrounding him and the Netherlands. An in-depth look into who he actually was would be nice.
@savagedarksider5934
@savagedarksider5934 2 жыл бұрын
He was actually quite A good leader- I felt sorry fir him because he had to make love to that ugly queen Mary.
@stephenrobb36
@stephenrobb36 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual Simon and very open and fair closing statement on how history remembers certain figures, very true.
@jaysalisbury193
@jaysalisbury193 3 жыл бұрын
Love all the channels, Simon! Especially biographics and business blaze :)
@jugs554433
@jugs554433 3 жыл бұрын
I live in a town called Welwyn which is literally a 5 minute drive from Hatfield house. I have visited it many times but had no idea bloody Mary resided there so that to me is an amazing bit of history. I will definitely pay more attention next time I go! There is also famous oak tree there where Queen Elizabeth liked to sit under in her youth and it was where she was told she was to be queen (or so the story goes) beautiful place.
@shockedtogami6807
@shockedtogami6807 3 жыл бұрын
did he say king george the eighth and not henry at 6:47 or am i just deaf
@WendyLPN
@WendyLPN 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I heard also.
@darthsawlex8257
@darthsawlex8257 3 жыл бұрын
@@WendyLPN And I too.
@724parsec
@724parsec 3 жыл бұрын
he did indeed. i was going to say so myself until i saw that you'd beat me to it
@richardgilliland2699
@richardgilliland2699 3 жыл бұрын
He definitely said it
@thedgzgames427
@thedgzgames427 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's why I disliked this one.
@angelitabecerra
@angelitabecerra 3 жыл бұрын
One is always judged more harshly than one's peers if one is not attractive and/or has charisma in spades. This is the lot ascribed to Mary Tudor.
@shesaknitter
@shesaknitter 3 жыл бұрын
Always more to learn. I especially like what you said at the end, comparing Mary's reign to the much bloodier reigns of Lionheart and Gloriana! Thanks for another interesting and informative look into that history!
@menelikpendragon2040
@menelikpendragon2040 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on H.C. Andersen and Alexander Dumas, thank you guys for all your hard work!!!
@calebsa7953
@calebsa7953 3 жыл бұрын
You have no idea how long I've waited for this video. Thanks.
@fififinance7469
@fififinance7469 3 жыл бұрын
Great work, fifi x👍🏽
@DenethordeSade.90
@DenethordeSade.90 3 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm very informed on this topic, have to listen to Simon say it all again, cause it's Simon!
@barndog2145
@barndog2145 3 жыл бұрын
Just finished watching the tudors, glad you covered this video!!
@shadowking1380
@shadowking1380 3 жыл бұрын
Ok the term “bloody Mary” just brings back the old game of saying Bloody Mary 3 times into a mirror... anyone know what I’m talking about?
@aaronhurst4379
@aaronhurst4379 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I remember as a kid being too scared to do that
@VulpesFidelis
@VulpesFidelis 2 жыл бұрын
She was the origin of that. Perhaps she's an angry ghost because kids keep bothering her... Or perhaps, because kids remind her of her failed fertility?
@alicialiberty4606
@alicialiberty4606 3 жыл бұрын
My Great-Great-Great (x many) grandfather was one of the unlucky to be burned at the stake in Canterbury in July 1555- the Reverend John Bland. His trial is well documented in ‘Foxe’s Book of Martyrs’.
@Beautylicious316316
@Beautylicious316316 3 жыл бұрын
If you have any documentation or I formation I’d love to hear it! I’m currently writing my thesis on the fall of Catholicism in England and I’m looking for unknown sources :)
@alicialiberty4606
@alicialiberty4606 3 жыл бұрын
Leah S I just have my family tree that leads back to him. But there is some more information about him online that’s easy to find- and of course ‘Foxe’s Book of Martyrs’ that I mentioned! 😊
@dorianrincon9171
@dorianrincon9171 3 жыл бұрын
Great video 👌
@steveweinstein3222
@steveweinstein3222 Жыл бұрын
Henry showered affection on Mary when she was a young child and would trot her out to show her off to visitors.
@longwhitemane
@longwhitemane 3 жыл бұрын
6:50 😂🤣😂🤣 Too funny! I was just listening to Simon when I heard, "...George VIII" & my first thought was, "WTH is George VIII? Have I missed a monarch somewhere?" Then I saw the correction. 😜
@freddymichalak9306
@freddymichalak9306 3 жыл бұрын
Good job man
@turtletaine
@turtletaine 3 жыл бұрын
finally, an amazing tudor video!!
@cassandraralph5906
@cassandraralph5906 3 жыл бұрын
I learned something new today again! Thank you!
@JoshuaNJones
@JoshuaNJones 3 жыл бұрын
At 6:48-6:49 Simon misspoke and sid king George VIII when he clearly ment to say King Henry VIII.
@randidrakebryant3829
@randidrakebryant3829 3 жыл бұрын
Both my husband and I have connections to the Tudor dynasty. His 13th great grandfather is Sir Francis Bryan the Vicar of Hell and was best buds with King Henry VIII. My 15th great uncle is Sir Francis Drake known as the Queen’s pirate and served Queen Elizabeth I. I am absolutely obsessed with the Tudors!
@s.l.wymansrockinwriting6633
@s.l.wymansrockinwriting6633 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Love Tudor history
@areiaaphrodite
@areiaaphrodite 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone else seemed to have covered it but yes, Katherine was a Princess/Infanta of Aragon because her father was King of Aragon. Katherine was never it's Queen though 😁 But back to Mary, I honestly can't totally blame Mary for her behavior and life as an adult. She was very much neglected and abused by her father and Anne Boleyn who was determined to make Mary and Katherine suffer. The only people who seemed love her was her mother and Eustace Chapuay, the Ambassador to England from Spain and friend of Mary's mother. Therefore having had Katherine separated from her daughter and dying with either of them ever seeing each other again is totally traumatizing and heartbreaking. Mary's position was always unstable and precarious depending on her father's mood: and the years of her early adulthood where she should have been married and become a mother were wasted. Not to mention that her eventual husband really didn't love her and thought she was ugly.... and never got to become a mother and had those dreams dashed as well as her hope for restoring England to Catholicism; one of the last shreds she had of her mother in a way. And on top of that, her own brother/godson tried to stop her from her birthright of being a Queen. Poor thing, her life was so hard and tragic.
@xxxxxx5062
@xxxxxx5062 3 жыл бұрын
i completely agree with u! she deserved the best childhood out of most royals but got the worst 😭😭😭 i hate henry and anne so much! im not trying to be mean or hateful at all, it's just my opinion because she made people i love suffer. i know that henry killed anne on false charges because he tired of her, and thats unfair, but that doesnt make anne's treatment to mary and katherine acceptable. they were both way more amazing than her, imo. mary will always be one of my favourite royals. and katherine too, ofc
@ErgThisIsSoStupid
@ErgThisIsSoStupid 3 жыл бұрын
The flag in the thumbnail didn’t exist when Mary was Queen. The UK didn’t exist yet.
@smiller3995
@smiller3995 3 жыл бұрын
Off with his head
@smiller3995
@smiller3995 3 жыл бұрын
6:48 george VIII didn't know Britain had time traveling monarchs
@ElizabethF2222
@ElizabethF2222 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think Mary was more "bloody" than her father, Henry VIII. He executed some 57,000 people, but it was over some 20-plus years. I think the reason Mary is styled "bloody" is that she only reigned for five years and "only" executed 300, whereas Henry VIII and Elizabeth I reigned over many years, so the numbers don't look as bad over a longer time span. Henry and Elizabeth were famous for hanging, drawing and quartering, and Mary burned people, so not sure which would be worse???
@ShannonCarter55
@ShannonCarter55 3 жыл бұрын
Burning to death is very slow, very painful. Hanging, drawing and quartering is usually pretty quick. So is beheading, which was a more familiar means of killing.
@CindyAbrodie
@CindyAbrodie Жыл бұрын
@@ShannonCarter55 🤷‍♀️
@dawee-crochetconnoisseurn2758
@dawee-crochetconnoisseurn2758 3 жыл бұрын
@6.51 he says king George the VIII XD i had a little giggle. love your informative videos! thanks
@wendychavez5348
@wendychavez5348 3 жыл бұрын
Reassessment of the legacy of Mary I sounds like an awesome idea!
@KentPaddler
@KentPaddler 3 жыл бұрын
Please may I ask when you will be uploading these videos in a podcast format again to Spotify? Keep up the excellent work 😃
@ADEpoch
@ADEpoch 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. It's filled in some gaps for sure. You mentioned Thomas Cromwell, and my girlfriend is reading a book on him at the moment. If it fits in your plan could you put him in as an episode?
@KinoStudentX
@KinoStudentX 8 ай бұрын
The bullet holes shot at Weiss are still in the walls of the capitol building. I got to see them as a kid. They shot over 100 rounds.
@awzthemusicalreviews
@awzthemusicalreviews 3 жыл бұрын
20:52 I legit thought that was the opening to "Reminiscence" from Suikoden II
@beachboy0505
@beachboy0505 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@susangavaghan
@susangavaghan 3 жыл бұрын
Being burned alive must have been a terrible death and the story of the baby being born while the mother was being burned then thrown into the fire is horrific. However, Henry VIII showed no mercy to the Pilgrimage Of Grace who marched peacefully against the closure of the monasteries which helped the poor. He had them mercilessly killed. Edward had made the mass illegal - how many Catholics would have died on his orders had he lived? Jane Grey, although young, had strong protestant convictions - that is why Edward chose her as his successor. How many Catholics would have died under her reign had she kept the throne? Would he have had Mary executed? As was pointed out, Elizabeth had 195 people executed for religious reasons. King James V was known for persecuting women and burning them as witches - yet he is not known as Bloody James. I don't agree with what Mary did but I believe she has been singled out because she was Catholic.
@ethancoster1324
@ethancoster1324 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, they as we are, we're all marred by abuses.
@theconqueringram5295
@theconqueringram5295 3 жыл бұрын
It really is a shame that she became known as 'Bloody' Mary, even though some of her predecessors and successors killed more people.
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 3 жыл бұрын
Tens of thousands more.
@velouris76
@velouris76 3 жыл бұрын
Henry VIII was far far worse.
@paulwl3159
@paulwl3159 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it had anything to do with her religious beliefs not being aligned with those of her successors?
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulwl3159 that and Shakespeare knew where his money was made.
@stephenferguson9756
@stephenferguson9756 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that her reign was short. She didn't have enough time to kill as much as her predecessors and successors. Yet, she managed to have many killed in a short period of time.
@vivianaspgren6554
@vivianaspgren6554 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite historical figures
@racoonman100
@racoonman100 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much
@Unlikely_Pirate
@Unlikely_Pirate 3 жыл бұрын
I’d never suggest that Mary was ‘good’ especially not by today’s standards. In the same breath, I think her legacy was written by people who hated her and she deserves a more abstract and ambiguous legacy than history has provided her.
@byronofrothdale
@byronofrothdale 3 жыл бұрын
Queen of England, Princess of Aragón and Castille. Since his father was Fernidand II of Aragón, she is know as Katherine or Catherine of Aragón.
@biancahollander5318
@biancahollander5318 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel
@TihetrisWeathersby
@TihetrisWeathersby 3 жыл бұрын
We need an Elizabeth I biographics
@richardgunton9564
@richardgunton9564 3 жыл бұрын
Would be interested to see a video on Robert Cecil, one of my favourite historical characters.
@rhiannontout4246
@rhiannontout4246 3 жыл бұрын
Surprised you went with Mary as your first Tudor - can you please now do the others? And Mary Queen of Scots? Have been looking for these on your channel for ages.
@elainadavis-givens3222
@elainadavis-givens3222 3 жыл бұрын
You gotta feel bad for mary though, Her father divorced her mother and separated england from the church just to get with her stepmother . She was in a loveless relationship, there was no baby and she was falling apart, Soon, driving her into insanity, So shes really just a troubled monarch.
@flibnit1
@flibnit1 3 жыл бұрын
Ayeee that reference to the Musical, "Six"!!!
@saint_yves
@saint_yves 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Simon! I have two video suggestions for you. Do you think you could do a biographic on Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Viktor Tsoi? I'm sure you know who Solzhenitsyn is, but Tsoi was a Russian musician from the 80's who became a rock icon for his band Kino's messages of wanting change in Soviet Russia.
@seanmcguire7974
@seanmcguire7974 3 жыл бұрын
No eyebrows is a definite dealbreaker for me too 😂
@becnal
@becnal 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe Simon hasn’t done an episode on the Virgin Queen Elizabeth yet. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@derekstryjski6809
@derekstryjski6809 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really really surprised at the lack of detail being displayed here. Mary Tudor was born and lived, and even ruled England before 1707. So she never was British. She was English. So why have her displayed beside a union jack?
@youtoob4life
@youtoob4life 3 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, The Church of England isn't really considered a traditional Protestant faith. King Henry did want to join one of the Protestant faiths but the ones around at the time also valued the sanctity of marriage and would've refused his divorce request as well. He then created his own branch of Christianity so he could do as he pleased.
@smiller3995
@smiller3995 3 жыл бұрын
Henry didn't want divorce he wanted an annualmeant as divorce would mean the marriage was legit
@Beautylicious316316
@Beautylicious316316 3 жыл бұрын
Technically the Church of England is “non-catholic”, so in terms of the Reformation, it’s Protestant.
@MsJubjubbird
@MsJubjubbird 3 жыл бұрын
Henry was still prettymuch Catholic. A book I read on Katherine Howard basically said under Henry, England was basically Catholicism without the pope. The Howards (which Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard came from) were actually quite papist, with the exception of lining the royal treasury with the church's property (can't think why) and having Henry as the leader (also can't think why). These days Anglicanism, basically the Church of England is quite aligned with Catholicism- with notable exceptions- and differs from the real protestant broadchurches.
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 3 жыл бұрын
Henry did remain a devout catholic his whole life save for refusing to acknowledge the Pope had any supremacy over him.
@herodotus945
@herodotus945 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgeprchal3924 He abolished so many monasteries just to get their land and wealth. People have no idea how many valuable medieval books and art works were destroyed during the reformation.
@BossPenguin
@BossPenguin 3 жыл бұрын
The melody used in the video while changing chapters really reminds me of stardew valley
@julianastrong3338
@julianastrong3338 3 жыл бұрын
He was queen Catherine’s nephew, not cousin.
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 3 жыл бұрын
I think he meant to mean that he was Mary's cousin.
@drevenypribor6144
@drevenypribor6144 3 жыл бұрын
My suggestions for next biographies: Sir Nicholas Winton Nicolas Flamel Akhenaten Bartholomew Roberts aka Black Bart Madame Voisin Cesare Borgia D B Cooper
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you ,
@reythejediladyviajakku6078
@reythejediladyviajakku6078 3 жыл бұрын
Mary’s later childhood obviously instilled a constant survival mode in her. Thanks a freakin lot, Henry!
@TihetrisWeathersby
@TihetrisWeathersby 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being the Daughter of the King and treated this way, Then again she was pretty evil having a pregnant woman burn and tossing the baby into the flames and the victims of religious genocide
@skynyrdjesus
@skynyrdjesus 3 жыл бұрын
In her defense, just to play devil's advocate for a moment, 300 people in a population of hundreds of thousands hardly constitutes a genocide. An atrocity and a large scale disregard for human rights, but we should be careful not cheapen the word genocide. And Mary's edicts weren't orders to burn people at the stake, rather she reinstated the power to do so to members of the population who themselves had just lived through a prolonged period of religious repression. It's a small difference, granted, but when we judge her for her actions we must take into account how long and circuitous the chain of command was from Mary's reforms to an infant burning alive. They passed from Mary, to her advisors, to messengers, to bishops, to local priests, and then those bishops and priests ordered local thugs to round up heretics, placed them before what passed for a trial in 16th century England, before a mob murdered them. There's a lot of blame on a lot hands there, and I don't know about you, but I don't think it's fair to lay it all at Mary's feet, though I'm not saying she's even close to blameless.
@elemperadordemexico
@elemperadordemexico 3 жыл бұрын
Remember some of these stories were embellished by the future generations to demonize Catholicism and to a lesser extent the monarchy as a whole during the interregnum years of Oliver Cromwell and the English Republic.
@TihetrisWeathersby
@TihetrisWeathersby 3 жыл бұрын
@@elemperadordemexico I hope so, Seeing something like that would haunt someone for the rest of their life
@TihetrisWeathersby
@TihetrisWeathersby 3 жыл бұрын
@@skynyrdjesus You make a good point, But she sanctioned it
@judochopmaster8233
@judochopmaster8233 3 жыл бұрын
I will not stop asking. Please make more videos covering the people in the American Civil War, for example; Thomas Jackson, better known as Stonewall General William T. Sherman, who I really couldnt say anything about without someone getting pissed Confederate President Jefferson Davies Colonel Robert Gould Shaw, who commanded the first African-American Regiment in the Civil War Ulysses S. Grant, who needs no introduction Etc. I just wish there were more videos that tackled the people in the Civil War on your channel
@Fuckethead
@Fuckethead 3 жыл бұрын
Ulysses would be a good one fo sho
@maximilianolimamoreira5002
@maximilianolimamoreira5002 3 жыл бұрын
ACW is a topic i like,though,by ethical reasons,i always side with the Union
@cynthiaejiogu8442
@cynthiaejiogu8442 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never heard of George the eighth considering there’s only been six of them in English history it has been eight Henry’s Simon you gotta catch yourself sometimes when it comes to talking about royalty you sometimes switch up names
@MisterKnightly
@MisterKnightly 3 жыл бұрын
Simon nails the outro again.
@spruillcat
@spruillcat 3 жыл бұрын
Please do Sophia of Hanover!!
@jacobhuff3748
@jacobhuff3748 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats! You made me reconsider 3 people's legacies.
@basichistory
@basichistory 3 жыл бұрын
A good well balanced Bio
@Greekhistoryyy
@Greekhistoryyy 2 жыл бұрын
WONDERFUL
@stunner9005
@stunner9005 Жыл бұрын
I still consider her a villain based on how she treated her younger sister.
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