If Goku was NEVER BORN...Then What?

[@MasakoX]

Do you like where this is going? Does this makes sense to you? Let's discuss it!

[@Tabbimura]

This is Universe 9 of Dragon Ball Multiverse.

[@brandontrevino2620]

Masako you silly 0:08

[@redmaxxs]

9:53 Isn't Bobbidi coming to Earth and freeing Boo would have been a natural one too?

[@tommasomilan7754]

I don't like it Masako I LOVE IT!

[@nreun345]

I do like it, but why was Piccolo released? Pilaf teamed up with Bulma, I don't see him being that interested in releasing him. Moreover, there's no Goku, at all. Jaco wouldn't come to Earth and probably wouldn't meet Bulma and Tights(her probably dying :c)

[@leirbag1595]

"You're getting Yamcha'd" is gonna have a whole new meaning

[@ryanmaeder9898]

Yamcha'd? More like YamCHAD. Absolute legend I tell ya

[@Phoenix-pm2qr]

Krillen is worse

[@Chucky_Martinez]

So wait, if Goku wasn't born, Yamcha is the one who gets the attention? If it wasn't for Super Dragon Ball Heroes existence, I would have said Yamcha getting a major W in this video

[@MasakoX]

Indeed!

[@bobafett5399]

@@MasakoX I’d love to see a what if of this

[@duskbringer4583]

@@MrHomelessHobos ...I did now. Jumped a gun there.

[@thiefofjustice4495]

Let's see where this What If goes!!

[@FredMaverik]

@@duskbringer4583 ...what

[@rexlumontad5644]

*thumbnail* MasakoX: "I'm banishing you to the Shadow Realm!" Goku: "Nooooooo!" *disappears* MasakoX: "Much better!"

[@starsword9332]

Goku: Krillin I don't feel so.......good *Gets erased*

[@TheXehanorto]

Ah, good ol UnluckyTug. A person of culture I see.

@@TheXehanorto Who?

[@TheXehanorto]

@ KZbinr who does a bunch of Thomas the Tank Engine and TUGS videos. Covering their highs and lows. Rex’s comment references his History of Sodor video that covered the old model Thomas series.

@@TheXehanorto Oh, so that is the source of that clip.

[@AxelsAndGears]

As a massive Yamcha Stan, I'd love to see more and even a full What If of this! I also like how everyone has to be more strategic instead of going into every fight head-on.

[@hman0121]

Lol Yamcha stans exist.

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

We do we just are in hiding

[@hman0121]

@@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976 Hehehe, Yamcha deserved better than what he got tbh.

[@Aaron-pj3ky]

It's a good summary of a timeline. I think there's still some potential for them to have to deal with Buu, especially with powerhouses like Vegeta and Piccolo hanging out on Earth. All the story really needs is something that would put Tien and Yamcha back in the game, since they kind of take a backseat in the second half after Piccolo comes into his own. Maybe some good old fashioned Yardrat training or both of them getting the Mystic powerup that Gohan gets from Elder Kai, with a side of fusion to put them collectively on the same level as Piccolo and Vegeta.

[@NiiRubra]

And there could be things like Ultra Instinct further down the line, as the ultimate goal.

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

Don't forget, they likely got Kaioken from King Kai. They can just upgrade that in addition to the Elder Kai's power up, and or Yardrat training

[@lucasfelipe8349]

I don't think the Buu saga would ever happen, Because there's wouldn't be any super saiyans on earth to gather energy, and that was it's main source used to wake up Majin Buu... A Super Saiyan Goku has Far more power than vegeta and nappa combined, and don't forget Gohan, vegeta (In the normal time line) and Trunks who all had this form

[@severusdubane6831]

This needs a full story! I don't know exactly how long it would go for, but I would love to see this fleshed out with the level of dialogue you normally do and the character interactions!

[@theclown5763]

Vegeta: Why do I feel like both my greatest motivation and obstacle suddenly disappeared?...

[@fredcasdensworld]

He still has Nappa Vegeta: "God damnit..."

[@DJKHAI23]

If Goku as never born it could mean one of two things. The DB world is a lot more peaceful and calm. Or the DB is chaos as usual just without him.

[@DotNetWolf]

I like this story. I like how a lot of the arcs either got completely changed or just never happened because those arcs only existed because of Goku and Raditz's involvement with the story. My only issue is that other than King Cold visiting Earth to avenge his "Little Princess" there's also the case of Babbidi showing up to Earth to awaken Majin Buu. Maybe Piccolo and Yamaha will be strong enough to beat Buu? I'm curious to see how this will play out assuming enough of us are interested in seeing a second part to this story.

[@ssjgotenks2009]

no yamhca cnat be buu levle airka siad no human cna become strgoenr then friezsa sgaa fieza so yamcha cant pass buu

[@HannibalKantter]

I've really liked this What-If and people seem to think alike. It would be very interesting to see the Dragon Team fighting against Cold. Maybe this prompts the Z Warriors to go back to Kai's planet and learn Kaioken, because without saiyans in their slot (unless Vegeta and Nappa end up becoming allies) they're probably gonna need it. It would also be great having Tenshinhan and Yamcha fusing to fight against Dabura, if Babidi ends up deciding that Earth might be a good stop to find energy

[@joesausauge5709]

not gonna lie, this seems like it would be quite the challenging one to make. im interested to see where you go with it

[@IamVLD777]

Piccolo might get his orange form early now that he has his potential unlocked & with some training he might defeat Dabura & Babidi before they revive Buu. If they do revive Buu, I can only see 2 outcomes. He either somehow manage to defeat him with some training from the Supreme Kai or they simply get Fat Buu on the good side & keep him that way so that he doesn’t spit out Evil Buu. Another thing: without Goku in the mix, I’m not sure how strong Vegeta & Nappa might become. If they start a rivalry with Piccolo, perhaps they would become Super Saiyans at some point, I don’t know. And If Beerus doesn’t dream about the SSJ God & doesn’t wake up, then Super won’t happen at all & we can only hope Zeno doesn’t erase the universes. Oh, and if by some chance Frieza’s men still manage to revive him, his defeat will all depend on how much Piccolo continues his training. If he trains non stop like in the original, Golden Frieza will stand no chance

[@louisdellalucca8969]

I want more of this! Maybe Krillin, Yamcha and Tien could somehow get their potential unlocked? Maybe with the Dragon Balls?

[@starsword9332]

*Yamcha seeing the thumbnail* Yamcha: *gasp* It's Yamcha time!🤩

[@bbln37]

this is such a unique take on dragon ball, i expect what ifs like this to just be memes but this is seriously one of my favorites. i wish i could see it more fleshed out.

[@Hyperdragon1701]

I def would like a full series of this, it also certainly feels like we rushed through like at least 5 episodes of potential story but i guess to be fair it is quite a big change to the original.

[@yorecf9641]

Considering Ultimate Piccolo (not Orange) from Super Hero is what would've happened had Guru unlocked his potential, I don't think we have to worry about adjusting power levels when he's the one taking down Nappa, Vegeta and Freeza. At this point, that boost should be like his version of Super Saiyan (if not greater) and should definitely be enough to take care of things this early on in the story even if he isn't as strong as when he gets it in the movie, especially since I don't think he'd give Freeza a chance to go to 100%.

[@megablueman]

This is going to be a good one. Very curious how this one will turn out

[@Dusxio]

Ooo this was awesome man! A very interesting twist, and a chance for earthlings, and earth itself to really shine. I just wonder if Buu or RR remnants would be the next step.

[@elflix6]

Hi Masako, loved the video. Keep up the good work. BTW, I think it would be a neat idea if you explored 'What if Gohan actually became the main character of Dragon Ball?'

[@yorecf9641]

He kind of did that a few months back in a mini. I think it was the one with Goku marrying Suno in the thumbnail.

[@john98765333]

Or it could just go like, you know. . . . >Fight agasint Frieza >Tien uses Evil containment wave. Also, if you are getting Bulma and Yamcha together, you should get Launch and Tien together too, since you did mention Launch joined their fighting force.

[@Chronos341]

I have questions! 1. In the Pilaf saga, Pilaf locks them in a room that will bake them to death when the sun rises. Goku breaks them out when he sees the moon. How do they get out with no Goku? 2. If The Red Ribbon Army overthrows Pilaf, how does Pilaf release King Piccolo to begin the Piccolo Saga?

[@yorecf9641]

1) Could argue that their plan was different without Goku around and they left someone on the outside to break them out in case things got dicey for the rest of the group. They planned smarter since they didn’t have their biggest powerhouse around. 2) Maybe Pilaf still finds the rice cooker but opens it up to try to actually make some rice.

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

Wait What happend to Gohan?

[@yorecf9641]

@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 Grandpa Gohan gets to keep living in the woods.

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

@@yorecf9641 hé Didn't help Bulma?

[@yorecf9641]

@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 he would’ve eventually let her have the Dragon Ball but he’s old and wouldn’t want to go on an adventure with a feisty and hot headed teenage girl.

[@quantum6637]

I’m totally cool with you moving power levels around a bit for the sake of story. There’s tons of what if guys out there and a lot of them put a ton of focus on power levels. I feel like you put the greatest focus on story which is great. If people want power focused what if’s, they can go to other channels.

[@ryussjgod7148]

Interesting story Can't wait for pt 2!!! Great job MasakoX!!

[@nygelmendoza4987]

Idk if this is gonna get many parts but im excited to see what you come up with!

[@theirishsimmer5601]

I can’t wait for part two if that happens

[@DamianQualshy]

Everything goes so fast here... But I love it. Can't wait for Buu Saga.

[@chrispilcher2024]

I feel like the Saiyans would have sent another saiyan with a low power level to Earth in Goku's place, if he never existed, someone like Raditz, Turles or Tarble.

[@Night-Lord]

That’s been retconned tho. Goku was sent to earth as a protective measure. So it makes sense that there wouldn’t be another saiyan sent, even Raditz

[@aldenraemamaril5191]

Bardock: Alright Gine I'm Sending Kakarot To E-arth Goku Disappear Bardock:Kakarot What Was I Talking About?

[@riotd.r.8363]

Bulma would need a bodyguard to survive in the wild. On her own the dinosaurs would have her for dinner.

[@Vegeta241]

So wait, King Cold is the only loose end? Does that mean the power levels all on earth aren't enough to draw Babidi's attention? Well... that might be good. If what I'm guessing is true, that means while the Earthlings are strong, it they wouldn't have enough power to revive Majin Buu. The again, if Babidi DOES come to earth, the gang here technically would have to be strong enough to stop Babidi and Dabura, not Buu necessarily.

[@randallellison6421]

Madako: Bardock never got around to meeting Gine and "getting busy!" also Masako: STOP IIIIT!!!

[@tmntfangirl4700]

I feel like Bardock and Gine would still meet and have Raditz, and maybe someone could take Goku’s place to go to earth. Either Turles, Tarble, Broly, even Raditz. A lot of possibilities

[@goni2493]

Broly would one shot everything.

[@פטרגילגוןשרקי]

As someone who has pondered what you're saying, allow me to offer my solution: Gine.

[@tmntfangirl4700]

@@goni2493 If we’re talking about DBZ movie Broly than yeah he would. If we’re talking about DB Super Broly than I believe that he would more open to Grandpa Gohan’s teachings and care without his father to corrupt him

[@tmntfangirl4700]

@@פטרגילגוןשרקי Oh yeah forgot about her. She’d adapt quickly to Earth and call it home. Then if she wants kids, then Raditz and Kakarrot can still be born and take the place of ‘Gohan and Goten’ unless by some twist of fate they wound up being sisters instead of brothers.

[@פטרגילגוןשרקי]

@@tmntfangirl4700 yeah, she might be the best pick due to how well she'd adapt. Also, I personally imagined it with Raditz existing, but your version is also good

[@SupremeCreame]

wait, if Goku wasn't born, why would Jaco even have gone to Earth in the first place? He was originally sent to Earth by the Galactic King because Goku's pod was detected heading there.

[@AlicePhantom]

Didn't he know Tights before Goku was ever sent to Earth? That's probably why Jaco would still be on Earth because of Tights.

[@nobgs4505]

I feel a solid possibility is just that he might be there doing regular checkups... Or to slack off for a bit. It IS Jaco we're talking about here.

[@damarbell6733]

Yes!! thank you for making my what if bulma was the main character pitch real, even if its for a little while

[@TheRealAlpha2]

There was a fan manga someone did a while back, I believe it was in Spanish, where they edited out Goku entirely and put other characters in his place. A lot of characters stepped up like Roshi and Krillin I forget which arc they did though It's been a couple of years since I saw it, I remember the editing to kinda impressive because of how they edited different characters into the places of others.

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

Where

[@Xavier-the-voodoo-king]

What's the name?

[@Chrisordie]

I like the idea, I feel it could be expanded upon. Honestly I feel getting Frieza into the story is far simpler; given that Bardock was able to set the escape pod to Earth they likely already had the planet on the books. So sooner or later someone is going to conquer it for land, not the Dragon Balls. They'd only learn about them after when the Raditz equivalent fight happened. Then Frieza would arrive, coming in person because he doesn't trust Vegeta and Nappa to not make a wish themselves. RR could still come back, as outright destroying everyone doesn't feel in keeping with Yamcha's personality. So instead of Androids there might just be a new generation of colour themed warriors, maybe full on Power Ranger themed because humour.

[@starfishkol1155]

Thanks for covering so much in a small part! I love it!!

[@Eric-gp3hi]

I like where this is going. Yamcha seems to be much more involved and Bulma is a ambassador for the Galactic Patrol.I’m looking forward to how the Android Arc and Majin Buu Arc is effected.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

Well, there might not be an Android Saga. Maybe Cell comes from the defailt future, but that's about it for androids.

[@gnockgnock6965]

@@LloydTheZephyrian They didn't need an alternate future so there isn't an alternate future trunks to come to them.

[@Freedmoon44]

@@gnockgnock6965 Buu could enforce such a thing, same thing with i dunno, some red ribbon survivor discovering remnants of Gero's work with stuff like Master computer and using it to build an army of androids, mad scientists always have secret labs afterrall and Gero is too smart not to have a contingency prepared in case the Red Ribbon failed, now they wouldnt be Cell strong by any means, but reaching a power level similar to Android 13, not Super 13, is something i could see the remnants of Red Ribbon acheive, because no matter the methods the paramilitary was so large they obviously missed a few, and while no one would be as smart as Gero, the Master Computer was seemingly smart enough to work by itself autonomously in sorta semi-counciousness and well Eighter was already an Android whose mind is pretty much working like a human so something bigger and smarter would work similarly. Theres potential for sure, although true enough something like Cell wouldnt exist, and something like Buu wouldnt actually be awakened on earth due to lack of potential meaning he has to remain as that super impossible to win against threat, since Fusions wouldnt be enough on their own to win against Buu (lack of Transformation rly, and even then limited perhaps at best to Super Saiyan Grade 3/4 and thats assuming Vegeta find it in his arrogant self that training to such point would work) and theres no Gohan to have enough Potential to Solo it

[@originquantum5483]

Interesting Concept! Can't wait to see how this unfolds!

[@CandyFlossEnjoyer]

It's bland asf

[@andresmarrero8666]

It does feel quite wrong for Bulma to be so thoroughly replaced as the main character. She would probably turn the story into a Sci-Fi eastern fantasy one instead of a martial arts story through her gizmos, studying magical artifacts, and mystical machines.

[@Kidapollo92]

What if Yamacha kept training

[@hangeishot7919]

Masakox. This was really good.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Goku straight up not existing actually does make the series play out way differently when you think about it instead of him just him living in isolation. I wonder if bulma and the others just straight lose to the rabbit with carrot powers, the pilaf gang using the magnifying glass sun room, or king piccolo ruling the world. Lots of roadblocks that outright would end the series if goku wasn't there to save the day with his strength.

[@thepowerofluck2432]

I forgot which what if but I believe Masako said once without Goku and his saiyan appetite then the gang wouldn't need to stop in the town for more supplies

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

@@thepowerofluck2432 Makes sense

[@illbadger2076]

I think I’m the end the earth just gets slaughtered by dabura and babidi

[@Gdsryrox]

@@illbadger2076 That and yamcha would probably save them easily enough, he was smart enough to realize in the series to avoid touching the rabbit and the guy does use weapons like his sword and guns despite them not being as present later in the series.

[@t76a2d]

You could’ve incorporated Raditz into the story by saying that Frieza destroyed the planet after his birth but before Kakarots.

[@staris3712]

I can't help thing that it would be Mai that would be the main reason for Pilaf's initial win while Yamcha was still in the process of getting over his fear for girls.

[@AzrielArcade]

I like this, really like this. It’s an interesting concept that really isn’t brought up enough. My suggestion though would be to see what becomes of Chi Chi, as she would have met Yamaha and the Dragon Team anyway, right? I could see her being a fighter, looking for that special someone, maybe a certain prince? XP

[@theirishsimmer5601]

This is very interesting what if and fun because this is the first new what if I have seen debut on this channel since becoming fan of your channel

[@michaelmcgann538]

Oh come on you know we are gonna eat this up lol Please keep it going and going! This story rocks and gives the side dishes the spotlight! Can’t wait for something like a krillin chiaotzu fusion with how this can go

[@nstar674]

I liked this a lot. It was sort of a speed round for the entirety of dragonball, but it's a what if I've been interested in for a long time!

[@patrickdavidson7379]

I've thought about this before and IMO I feel the Mafuba would actually be used more to help with the power scaling.

[@inkchariot6147]

YamCHAD, the true main character of Dragonball.

[@JoseLopez-oo1hb]

Love this please i would enjoy another part

[@TheKingOfRooks]

This is the best idea for a What If I've ever seen

[@pippogriffthegreat7003]

Oh I loved this! This was a great take on a Goku-less story!

[@Toon_Lucario]

I really hope they make a movie about the Earthlings getting a power up

[@TFresh69]

Another awesome what if thank u masako!!!!!

[@joshschaub2302]

Give og Gohan a ton of shine

[@paperhero1081]

there is a lot to room to breath. Now i am just thinking about the Buu Saga. Good Start MasakoX

[@cyruslightz]

I think this is actually great and would love more! There is only one change I would add: Raditz should still be there. I think it would make more sense if things fell apart after Raditz was born and without a brother to try and track he would just stay with the other surviving saiyans. His re-addition wouldn't cost much to the current story but could allow him more later on if this does continue

[@cyruslightz]

Gdi I thought actual masako responded for a second

[@AwkwardPain]

I had something similar sitting on the burners, but I do like the direction that you took it.

[@eziarc2080]

What if Bardock got a vasectomy after the failure that was Raditz ?

[@TheGarrettPM]

Love it. Gimme more but also what happened to our beloved Space Duck!? Unless that’s the unfinished storyline…

[@riotd.r.8363]

Nit-picking: Yamcha's fear of women would prevent him from approaching Bulma, Puar is all too aware of his fears. Yamcha remains a bandit, Krillin is Roshi's only student, Red Ribbon wars with Pilaf, King Piccolo takes over (unless Kami gets involved) and I guess Oolong keeps swindling small towns. Goku wasn't just the hero, he was the glue that brought everyone (even his villians) together.

[@Chikararyoku]

so, no androids, no cell, so no reason for future trunks to come back (unless you make one; like Trunks going to the wrong timeline) so in the end, Buu would be the only threat left

[@Movodor]

I really like this one, and the looming spectre of King Cold and maybe others like Buu for future episodes is a great idea too.

[@thewerdna]

I'd love to see a full what if of this. It sounds really cool

[@jamses4532]

I loved this. We finally got to see a version of the story that shows what could have happened if the other characters got the chance in the spotlight. I would love another or two with battles against Cold, Cooler, Majin Buu, or maybe one where Vegeta and Nappa become SSJ or revive the saiyan race.

[@streetsy8765]

Am I the only one thinking that the thumbnail art is a Looney Tunes reference?

[@MasakoX]

We're gonna RRRRRUB HIM OUT, see?

[@jaycee65hithere65]

I'm not you! You're Mii... WAIT... WHAT IS THIS? AAAAAAAAAAA-

[@Kidapollo92]

What if piccolo had demon ki mirroring god ki

[@IlliterateSage]

"Sorry, Gine. The scouter beeped and startled me, and, uh, well..." "It's okay, Bardock. It happens to a lot of guys." "Next time, though!" "Yeah! Next time."

[@Upsilon1984]

Malik Torihane is really good at drawing thumbnails.

[@MasakoX]

He really is

[@Aaron17988]

Can you imagine if Bulma training fighting

[@dorianpage9593]

If Pilaf is working with Bulma then King Piccolo should have not been free since it was pilaf who freed him.

[@commonviewer2488]

I like this timeline. Everyone gets to shine here.

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

Krillin?

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

Bulma?

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

Roshi?

[@80abonnessansvideosdu42]

Mr old Don Gohan

[@sahuanitasahu7696]

Good foreshadowing for yamcha

[@bakruptfern329]

Are we gonna see Krilin become the main character 👀👀👀

[@MasakoX]

Or maybe YAMCHA!

[@bakruptfern329]

@@MasakoX *That could work too*

[@batman369able]

Id love to see more. It seems super interesting.

[@haukness]

Why would King Picollo be around? Pilaf released him and that wouldn't be an issue due to working with Burma?

[@ericathompsen8110]

Awesome video 👍

[@thelargesmoke4791]

I love that one, always glad to see Yamcha and Tien respected, wish to see the androids though.

[@fatfoxclown]

you got a good idea going story sounds good and you made it work no complaints from me but I wonder about the gag aspect of it

[@firejoe283]

I like how the wins are for everyone. Like Yamcha has a hero Arc, tien has one, Piccolo. Then the saiyans are second bananas to them

[@ShadowGamer300]

As much as I love this what-if, I did notice one issue. Who released Demon King Piccolo, if The Pilaf Group is working with Bulma/Capsule Corp? (Albeit rather strenuously.) Did they go after it the moment that RR was done in by them, or did I miss something?

[@yorecf9641]

Let’s go with he found/wished for “the world’s strongest rice cooker” and opened it not knowing who was inside.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Huh, now this is a very interesting What If, i would really like to know more of it. Though, i am a little confused about who exactly would have Goku’s Role as the Overall Main Protagonist of the Series in this What If, it felt like it was shifting a little. Also, I don’t think I noticed you saying anything about Roshi and Chi-Chi, about what they have been up to throughout this Story.

[@LordExetior]

I like the prospect of Piccolo ruling the roost for this What If. He is my favorite character after all

[@nooneofimportance2110]

I like this premise, I actually kinda want to see this first part expanded upon actually, and then go from there.

[@BWX4]

Count me as another who dug this story. It almost could've doubled as "What if Freeza's plot to blow up all the Saiyans was successful?", if you didn't have Vegeta and Nappa still petering around. *insert picture of Freeza giving a V sign as Planet Vegeta blows up* I guess as soon as Yardrat enters the equation, along with hopefully the Earth being privy to better space-faring technology, it's not like Earth's fighters won't still have a lot of good means to help defend itself from future threats. Even Babidi's plots might be hated at the source because the Galactic Patrol would be yet another thorn in his side, even if Kibito is STILL terrible at his job.

[@kingkurok3149]

This was actually a good mini what if, but yeah I wouldn't mind a follow up

[@Quickscope_Kun]

I was skeptical at best curious to see what would happen and I’m surprised it was good

[@crusherm3316]

Yamcha the protagonist!!! What a great story!!!

[@Treaxvour]

I like this story! Do a more detailed telling of this part, a series if you will. Raditz may have helped against freeza or been the scout to discover the dragon balls, if you want to let Gina and bardock hook up still.

[@Unadabbler]

Amazing story good sir. And you can easily continue this story with the buu arch since that would happen whether or not goku exists.

[@elcidgaming]

it took Goku till end of GT to realize that he was the root of all the bad things happening

[@dustinfrye6202]

We need a full narrative version of this. Working in movie villains.

[@Sethinflamed]

I feel like Bulma would be able talk king cold into becoming a frenemy like how freeza currently is in Super

[@Mr_Bunk]

Otherwise known as “What if Goku didn’t make it off Planet Vegeta in Time?”

[@Gdsryrox]

I really like this story, not just because Yamcha and Tien get more screen time but because of the constant escalating threat that brings more of the world in and earths gradual involvement with the rest of the galaxy. In proper DBZ is seems a bit odd how even with Super everything is on earth and around it and the gang never seems to stray far from it. I could really see this story being good as it slowly branches away from Earth to naturally explore the rest of the galaxy. Guess sort of in a way like GT but different in the overall goal.