Masculine Sensory: Detailed Memory!

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[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

Me: (Talks about a principle) Sensory-lead friend: Can you give me an example? Me: Uhh... (Stops breathing for ten seconds).

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

It's a legitimate question. It's a good way to "proof" the idea.

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

@@MrLuigiFercotti Yup. Proof testing. Like they say, "No plan survives contact with the enemy."

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

@@AlastorTheNPDemon Yeah, but if you just want to talk concepts your reaction is perfect.

[@lyrimetacurl0]

As a Se-Ti guy I could probably *give* you an example.

[@0halibut0]

Me: Uh, you have google right?

[@huppimmuppimard3305]

Surgeons have amazing memories. Imagine having to do an operation while reading a manual, not going to happen. And they also must have other amazing skills under those very tough conditions.

[@user-ym9nl4qy6p]

fr tho

[@AutoAlchemy]

"I'm now watching this on fast speed." Lol. Dave said this RIGHT as I bumped the speed up. I am shaken.

[@RandomPerson28337]

i was watching on high speed before the video begun

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

S H O O K

[@sophiaredwood5825]

😂😂😂😂

[@willmgbam1630]

For a really long time I really wanted to see a video about masculine feeling!!

[@wes2262]

I pretty much stopped watching all other MBTI-Jung-Functions-Typology channels since Dave came back from his long hiatus. Everyone else sucks

[@absinthesesotericadventure7631]

pretty much. couldn't have said it better myself

[@arstneio5753]

Here here! Some of the other MBTI channels just feel like snake oil salesmen or some gobbledegook bullshit.

[@Baamthe25th]

The one who dive into socionics are better than Dave.

[@abecadlo15]

@@arstneio5753 It's okay, you can say CSJ

[@rawthenticatedflavors9109]

Straight up? Your comment is precisely why I've reconciled with their Te/Se bias & minor inconsistencies over listening to other folks. Caveat: Megan LeVota. She's got some useful material.

[@-Altera-]

I forget facts/details like there's no tomorrow.

[@supertouk]

So, the sledgehammer and the computer... is that a hard reboot?

[@davidegaruti2582]

no he was erasing data from the hard disk

[@lalakuma9]

Plot twist: the data is backed up in the server

[@rawthenticatedflavors9109]

🤣

[@eleob9098]

demon feminine Se here ughhhh. i remember things through my conceptual frameworks, but details are a struggle.

[@7sanctuz]

Know the feeling, haha. I use Ti to remember just the least amount of understanding needed to kinda "calculate" what happened and what sensory detail would be required to recreate the scene in my head... It's dope when it works. But it doesn't always do.

[@AdAsteris]

Are you INFJ or INTJ?

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

@@7sanctuz Type? I have a feelinnnnn'

[@tharug5785]

Demon sensory feminine over here too, do you know techniques to remember facts. What kind of conceptual frameworks do you use?

[@isabella16939]

That's good compared to my savior feminine Si. I feel responsible for the sensory, but then I can't remember the detail whatsoever, just the conceptual framework -_-

[@box-of-chocolates]

It seems to me that the distinction of Masculine/Female Sensory primarily describes the general EASE OF MEMORIZING DETAIL, not necessarily whether someone actually does it. Example: As a D-F-Se I have a much harder time memorizing any numbers than my D-M-Si friend, but as an ExxJ, I often feel more obligated towards other people/the world (e.g. to memorize their birthdays), so I put in the effort and do it (always peacocking about it…), while my IxxP friend just doesn’t care. So, in the end, I do memorize more data (due to obligation) than him. Does that make sense?

[@Naan-E]

Yes, I would agree it's not about the ability, but rather the tendency for it being a natural state of being (not fuelled by insecurity/pressure.)

[@box-of-chocolates]

@@Naan-E Yeah! That's a good way to put it!

[@cassm7679]

Your de checking to see if we understood 😂 yes this made sense and actually helped me to better understand the differences 😁 great observation!

[@Primemantis108]

Masculine Sensory Si, like J. R. R. Tolkien and George R. R. Martin. For myself, my schooling and home life was a mental institution. Fast with concepts, painfully slow with facts.

[@DGolden247]

Ok thanks I needed this to confirm that I have feminine sensory. My memory, time and spatial awareness is BAAAAAAD, but I have found a trick to help me remember the date at least. I have a night journal I keep and every night I write down the date for the FOLLOWING day. For some reason, that alone is enough to help me remember. I think it’s because as one of my last memories of the day right before I go to sleep the date (as well as whatever else I wrote in my night journal) gets stored subconsciously as one of the first things to remember when I wake up. It could also be the act of writing it down, rather than just thinking of that date, which has helped me to commit it to memory. It’s kind of like a saving a game file, idk how else to explain it, but it really works for me.

[@introvertedinfp]

How do you figure out what’s masculine and feminine? I need a whole video explaining some of your concepts because even after watching a lot of your videos I’m still lost on how your system works

[@YOU_IN_A_TUBE]

mee too, what are they talking about? and why is it so interesting?

[@linactif2310]

AA You two Are A CONSUME SAVIOR HAHA probably savior Ne also

[@winterdevil9009]

@@YOU_IN_A_TUBE it’s a more detailed and complex form of MBTI

[@quatschkopq186]

Try reading the "OPS Starter Kit" on "SubjectivePersonality" or "Objective Personality for Dummies - A comprehensive guide compiled by Laura Miller"

[@nallwdrgn]

Demon feminine Se here. Makes a lot of sense to me.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

I’m an ISFJ with masculine Si. I’m constantly feeling bad when I meet people for the second or third time because I say “I remember you” and they clearly don’t remember me haha

[@thefearlessone2649]

Nah, dude. You're an ESFP :3

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

@@thefearlessone2649 hahaha it’s true. I was first typed as an isfj during the beginning of Covid and now I laugh at these old comments 😂

[@thefearlessone2649]

@@sirbradfordofhousejones Haha I've been there. I was typed ISFJ, but turns out I'm an INFP jumper.

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

@@thefearlessone2649 at least yours has SOME shared functions 🙃

[@sabrinaclift1180]

ENTJ here like Shannon, but I have M-Se. Legit laughed so hard when they showed the video of Mike Rowe. I will verbally recall things just like him, for anything from vacations I've been on (could tell you the dates, time of day, weather, what was happening, why, what I was thinking and feeling, who was there, what they were doing, why they were doing it etc.) to number-heavy stories that I've read to various statistics about this and that subject. Just like Rowe with the boats, I could recall out loud a crazy number of details about various animal species and subspecies, how they relate to each other, etc., as well for certain other subjects. And like him, I start to remember more and more details as I talk, so it was interesting to see him do that as well. Also, I definitely relate to Dave and Shannon's 8-year-old angrily destroying the bush branch after it hurt him. I laughed so hard. I've definitely done things along those lines. Ah, the pros and cons to having S-M-Se. lol

[@Mayakran]

I’m an INTJ worldbuilder and I used to have EVERYTHING about my world stored in my head, but then I started taking medications (and suffered a brain injury) that destroyed my memory so now it’s pretty difficult to determine. That’s the thing with typology-it doesn’t account for mental illness or other “abnormalities” and I think that’s one of the many reasons people mistype themselves. Hell, I was typed as a “P” because I have ADHD, but I’m definitely an Ni-Te user (thus, “J”).

[@chadherbert18]

On Categorical memory for the D-F-Si/Se. I’m pretty sure I’m one of these two and have two observations to share: 1. My memory is really good short term, especially related to who did what, in what order, or little details about a room, etc. However, after a few hours, it’s pretty much all gone, replaced by what happened in terms of patterns or concepts - e.g. short term: the carpet in the corner had a stain and was a bit wet, or She won the game based on these 15 detailed steps. Longer term: there was a dirty carpet, she had a comeback victory. It’s like I compressed the memory from lots of connected, often sequential detail into a concept or stereotype for long term storage. I often find myself trying to figure out: “What did I mean by dirty carpet?”, or: “Why did I think the carpet was dirty that day? I know it was dirty, but how?” Then someone will second my observation and we’ll unpack that memory and the details come rushing back to me vividly! This also occurs in flashbacks, where I have to pause when a memory is triggered and the detail overwhelms me! 2. Long term memories get categorized into experiences. E.g. Going to the movies is kind of like this: 80% leave fulfilled, 20% leave with a headache, 90% sugar coma from too many skittles, 40% cuddling, 20% chat with adjacent person for 15 minutes about movie topics, etc... It’s like the memory is stereotyped and then I add this probability adjustment tag to it to estimate the likelihood of variance from the norm... I found this very useful when writing scenes as I have this plethora of things that ‘tend’ to happen related to that thing! I think this an example of Ne at work, or rather the brain taking Si and translating it to Ne useful data and then forgetting the Si details that don’t fit the conceptual model. However, at some point, I realized the accuracy could be improved and added the variance from norm element... Who knows - hopefully that’s useful! :)

[@naomiepham2430]

I'd do the same so it's very helpful 😊 another S-M-Ne and D-F-Si here

[@MrMatt-qs2ck]

Another brilliant video! And I no longer feel as psychotic for personifying and cursing at physical things...

[@crshia]

Dave's facial expressions as Shan explains kill me. It's like an invisible highlighter making everything that much TRUER. Statement to prove that I have none of that ability above.

[@noturbo]

My Dad planted a prickle bush in the driveway and i would stand on the prickles and i am going to cut that damn tree down took me 40 years but i got the bastard..

[@p1chler]

Finally, a good video in terms of help to type people, again. Please continue the series! :)

[@alienlizardqueen8748]

Masculine sensory cliche: that guy who has to show you every tool in his garage ...and tell you what it replaced ...and what he built with it ...and what he plans to replace it with ...and what he plans to build with that.

[@JesterOfDestiny]

Now I'm certain that I have masculine Si. I often get into these kind of arguments with my INTJ brother. - Him: This is what happened. - Me: No it isn't. - Him: Yes, I know, because pattern. - Me: Pattern makes no sense. I remember the exact string of events that lead to this other thing happening, what I was thinking while I decided to do it, what birds I heard outside, how many breaths I took, all of which excludes your thing from happening. - Him: ... How do you know that's what really happened, huh? - Me: I just do, fuck off! And we'll inevitably go over it again later some point. He might even scold me with "You always do that!" even though I grew out that habit years ago, or literally did it only once, and years ago as well.

[@joelgriffin4476]

Right? He’s remembering maybe one or two specific details, meanwhile you’re remembering countless facts even down to what you were thinking of when it happened from what you were wearing to what the weather was like, the emotions you remember feeling; far too many things for your brain to somehow confuse it with some other event, of which you probably have perfect recollection of as well so the likelihood of you being wrong is so dang slim.

[@CrystalDuan95]

HAHAHHA ME TOO. Demon si that is masculine af. Maybe my conclusion is wrong but the details I remember are not and I will die by them

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

One thing to keep in mind though is that memory biases strike every day so sometimes the brain will rewrite past memory and even the memory of having remembered that memory to fit the context. Example: My uncle shows a video of last christmas when grandma came to visit and people have a conversation I remember but the persons saying the lines in the conversation are different people than the ones I remember having said them. Despite *ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE* that I remembered it and even confidence that I am being humble and properly trying to remember. Because the brain *literally* rewrites memories. So if you don't have proof don't be so confident. Objective tests of witnesses of crimes found that the people with great responsibilities like police officers were the least accurate in recall even when the stakes where that high.

[@drszlezi3694]

Now I'm pretty sure I have M-Sensory as a demon. The funny thing is, when I don't smash things in real life, I do it in dreams xD.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

Do other INTPs experience this?: My conversational memory is horrible. If I'm in meetings at work and didn't write down I will remember ZERO. Literally. Every time. If I'm learning something like a skill or reading a book, watching a movie, no problem. I feel like my short-term memory is almost nonexistent.

[@davidegaruti2582]

so masculine iNtuition would be aggressive against patterns , kinda like how some pepole can't stand some trend/traditions and will go on rants about their existence , at least that's what Jordan Peterson does

[@artemisg6463]

D-F-Se I forget everything. I’ve low key wondered if I have a brain tumor or something.

[@0halibut0]

LOL! Yes, I do this as demon si...ground hogs day over and over. One year I figured out I was allergic to chocolate...forgot about 6 months later because I didn't even have any in the house. I go to my friends and eat a chocolate muffin...get a TERRIBLE headache and I think...WOW, I must be allergic to chocolate. My friend is like...YEAH! you told me that last year! Now I write down these revelations in a notebook and read it once in awhile.

[@absinthesesotericadventure7631]

I admire folks with good memory. To me they seem like robots. My memory is like a broken doorbell

[@mauraliller6]

I have S-M-Si, I win.

[@sheandg]

Laura Miller yes you do!!! My best friend of 40 years has savior M-Si and she is my go to for when I need to know something that happened to me! Since I have Savior F-Se I’m in the low end of the spectrum and boy, don’t I know it!

[@wolfsurvival2009]

As a D-M-Se, the destroying vid at the end felt immensely satisfying.

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

The guy smashing the computer is the greatest clip ever.

[@ndcoach29]

My short term memory is terrible but my long term memory is ridiculously detailed, LOL!! I learned in college that things pass thru short term before entering long term and remembering that making sense as to why I’d forget certain new things. I tell people now it’ll take meeting them three more times before I remember their name 😅

[@dapplerosegrey260]

I'm S F Se...the worst for me is having a favorite movie/book/song/show, and instantly forgetting every single movie/book/song/show I've ever seen when asked about it.

[@thescowlingschnauzer]

Dave is so satisfied watching computers get destroyed.

[@someonerandom713]

It's a joy to watch ^^

[@joshhayds]

ENFP with D-M-Si here. Others and myself have observed that my memory is on steroids, and until I learned about the M-F aspects of the functions, I couldn’t really attribute a precise reason to this. My Si is similar to that which is featured in the Tiger Woods anecdote: regarding particular events, I can usually remember contextual details such as who was with me, the season/year, etc.

[@AstroKasper]

Do you think it's possible that one has really good categorical memory while having bad factual memory because of a coordinating function like Te that may structure or contextualize the data? This is my theory as to one of the reasons why some ISTJ's memories are so fkng great because of this specific combo. Like maybe even the specific combo of having a S-M-Te could improve memory? Would the cluster suggest that the combo of S-M-Si and S-M-Te be the top of the memory recall list? I would love to find out any stats on this and your thoughts.

[@azmodanpc]

S-M-Se here. Yay. I remember random sh*t. Sometimes I weird people out with my memory.

[@XavierGuillaume]

Which types tend to have a photographic memory? Just asking a few people, it seems like people with photographic memory tend to have feminine sensing, and isn't feminine sensing more visual?

[@everydaystuff9187]

I need to know the what and the why...lol. I have been called the human encyclopedia, and I see the patterns in everything. And then I need to understand, if I don't already. If that makes any sense :) I also ask a lot of questions about everything. The How, What, When, Why. Then store it in my photo memory files I keep in my head, so I see a picture when I recall facts or memories. I see the patterns in our history and my personal life, my kids, family, friends. Then I like to point these things out that they are doing over n over again and give them facts from the pattern. God I sound weird...lol :) but I am an INFJ so that may explain that. Awesome video guys, I love your information and insights!

[@katibird166]

Can you guys talk more about what feminine Se is good for sometime Lolol it seems like an oxymoron

[@fila8727]

I would guess that feminine Se is Se that is not very strong, for example in the case of an INJ - You have some hook on current reality but you don't really trust it all the way, you won't prioritize it, you're like meh But if it was masculine it would be your ultimate point of reference for anything u do

[@cosmicyoke]

If anything its the opposite of an oxymoron , like super boosted 'Se' , very flighty, many would confuse it for Ne

[@Magani79]

What the hell is a feminine or masculine function? When is it one or the other?

[@cosmicyoke]

@@Magani79 masculine is just what you are immovable about I.e. not swayed easily while feminine is the opposite, its more accommodating and less pushing for its own. It works with thr 'function axes', if you are M Ni then you are F Se

[@Magani79]

@@cosmicyoke im INTP. what is M about me and what is F? how do i know?

[@cassm7679]

*Throws computer across the room and goes back to typing on the keyboard* 9:20

[@TheNicMMc]

It's insane how memories can work for different types. People with Si can remember if it's base on what they have done physically (basically kinetic memory) and people with se can remember what they have see and hear. So people with Si can do better by taking notes or just talking it out with other people. Se people just need good presentation and layout or by listening to a lot of people with solid sources.

[@rawthenticatedflavors9109]

Whaaaa? I totally thought he was some manifestation of ESFP. Fun Fact: Did you know he was an Opera singer? TROOF! 😁

[@joesr31]

The last one, after the threw the monitor he continued typing lol

[@Sophia-ix2ri]

I have D-F-Se. I explained how I remember things to my S-M-Si friend and she was shocked. I don’t really have direct access to memories. My Ni is always crafting a spiderweb of the underlying concept, the perfect pattern abstraction. The only way to remember something is if I shake the web, sometimes an Se fact will fall out. If I’m lucky it will be the memory I was hoping for. If the memory has no relevance to a concept I care about, there’s no web for it and no way to retrieve the memory at all.

[@JayLeePoe]

throwing that monitor seems like an adequate response, frankly.

[@KajsaBernhardina]

The worst part about having Si (masculine, demon) is when I'm about to go to the store and some family member ask me to buy them some food while I'm at it - and I'm like "What food do you want me to buy?" and they go "Anything will do." and I'm like "But what kind of food???" and the response is again "Just buy anything!" and it's driving me craaaaaaaaaaaazyyyyyyy like!!! I NEED TO KNOW WHAT FOOD YOU WANT A*****E :@

[@KajsaBernhardina]

If they fail to respond, I will take it as a personal insult and not buy them anything at all, I'm not even kidding

[@everalvelast]

I wish I had sensor developed I feel like no one takes me seriously cause I can't express so concrete like that.

[@ZygonCannar]

D-F-Se here...People think I'm lying, I'm so bad at recalling details.

[@GrqyHD]

I really want to hear more about categorical memory because my memory is shifted into portions and in subcategory structures where tons of things interrelate/connect and I'll remember concepts and thought out things from years ago (not remembering when I thought about it or the process but the process is highlighted through my new ideas and I could go engage with these old thoughts) but it pops into my head when something in front of me pops up that engages it. When reading a sentence in a book though or listening to youtube it can get super distracting if I am engaged in it but if I am not, (and I am not all the time 24/7) I wont get just waves of unrelated concepts to pin the new stuff to but it is mostly because I don't have terms inside my box to connect to these things then.

[@lucymooon]

So that's why I can't remember things sometimes I think I'm going demented

[@SykeeNot]

Thumbnail.... Si demon : ehh ...cool Si trickster: what the f??

[@LauraLouLou]

I cannot remember how to play Hearts from one summer to the next! No room or desire to store that info.

[@deadsoon]

I have Demon Femenine Si....... this honestly explains how I've fucked up my life so much. My memory recall has always been an issue and it was probably worsened by developmental trauma. :/

[@lyndsieplowman]

7:23 "I'm like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day" - I wonder if your Masculine vs Feminine Sensory type would make living out this groundhog day quarantine life any easier or harder? Who would go 'nutso' first? and when? Like if the pattern of how long we have been doing this repetitive lifestyle finally home early on or later on? Enjoyed this video! Thanks :)

[@Magani79]

As an INTP the lack of explanation in this video is really frustrating... how do you determine if your sensing is musculine or feminine?

[@Naan-E]

It's relative, so how fixed are you on patterns/concepts vs how well do you remember factual details about an event/thing. For example, if you have more difficulty retaining factually detailed information, check to see that you're confident in the patterns/concepts because you most likely have masculine N and feminine S. If you suspect masculine S, check for the feminine N (moveable on their conviction of their understanding.)

[@Naan-E]

You can also verify masculine S if you see them smashing things 👍

[@Magani79]

@@Naan-E thank you very much for the explanation! so all this is not a part of MBTI right? i haven't heard about this masculine/feminine stuff before

[@Naan-E]

@@Magani79 This is another model/taxonomy based on Jungian Cognitive Functions called Objective Personality that aims to solve the issues that the scientific community had with the existing systems like Myers-Briggs (MBTI), Socionics, etc.

[@einsame_Maria]

Ok, but I have Se last, but I have a very good memory, that sometimes freaks people out. I'm really good at remembering words and melodies(nothing visual, I have no visual memory). And conversations, I remember some so well, I can quote them. Especially emotional ones. My memory usually works by association, but I can get pretty good details down. I have never had any problems learning a text or a poem by heart, but I can never remember the road, or hierogliphics, or what a person looks like

[@einsame_Maria]

I'm confused((( I have just narrowed it down to INTJ....now I just don't know anymore. I just want to know my type((((((( But I have a really good and really detailed memory(went to ask my mom to check, if I was decieving myself) And my sister definitely has savior Si. When she's stressed? She starts cleaning her room. She's so fucking controlling when it comes to material world. She doesn't cook, for example, and she still organizes kitchen utilities the way SHE thinks is convenient....when she never cooks. And my mom and I cook, and we take them and put them whereever, and then she throws a fit because the utilities are not where she has put them.... If that is not an Si thing, I don't know what is

[@jankom.7783]

@@einsame_Maria It looks more like you have Si and your sister has Se. Si memorizes environment. Se changes environment, because we don't remember random stuff. I noticed, that there is difference between rooms of Se and Si people. Si people have a lot of stuff, and they keep a lot of it just for memories. If they order it, they motivation is because they have to for external reasons, not because they want to. Se people keep order on their own, and they have only useful or beautiful things. What they don't need, they throw out. No personal attachment towards objects for the sake of memories. only for their usefulness.

[@eduardogabriel858]

That's interesting, because I have Se last and I am a pure visual person, most of my memories are visual and most of the time I remember things very well (especially my childhood) and people always react just like Shannon reacted while talking about Dave's strange memories recalls, EXCEPT for my Si saviour friend who is ALWAYS remembering more stuff than me and always complaining how I forget little things. This thing about memories is complicated, happy that Shannon made a scale, because it's always a matter of person and comparing

[@einsame_Maria]

@@jankom.7783 Aaahhh you're blowing my mind. How? I thought... I thought Si meant control, and control meant being good at cleaning and organizing. And I am a person who has lots of close, have no sense of style, lots of make-up (don't wear it much, but a collection of lipsticks) Really, I just want to know my type.... And live with it.... How can I have Si? I thought at least for sure I had Ni, cuz I get obsessed with movies, and TV series and songs.... And my room is a mess! I'm not the tidiest person, to put in mildly....

[@einsame_Maria]

@@eduardogabriel858 I'm 27 and I remember my childhood very well. My family even depends on my memory, cuz my mom and my sister they can't remember anything, it just doesn't stay in their heads (which is a blessing cuz we had a pretty hard life). I do get random memory recalls, if I understood what you mean by them, as the result of a long association chain. Where one thing lead to another and another and then something triggers a memory, and it's usually pretty detailed, once I remember it.

[@summeradams480]

Yeah I’m an INTP with demon, feminine, Si and I have ADHD so that explains a lot lmao

[@usercanalviejo2]

Damn, that end called me out 😂😂😂😂😂

[@heatherbryant4197]

I think my Si is masculine, demon. From my perspective, my memory of anything I personally experienced seems to be better than 99% of the people who were also there, and I have more faith in, and confidence in, my memory than anyone else I know. Very rarely I will remember a detail wrong, but when that happens & someone corrects me, I can usually eventually remember why I remembered it wrong (otherwise the mistake will drive me crazy). Lol I also suspect my Si is masculine because of how strict my mini SJ gremlin is. Despite my house being a chaotic disaster, I am super OCD about hygeine for very particular things, and _will not_ budge on those regimens and rules I've developed. Heaven forbid you put your dirty feet on my pillow or anything that goes against the code of my personal space or you'll get scolded. That's what makes me think my Si is masculine. But I'm not very familiar with the OP system and Si is really the first function I've been able to identify as clearly "masculine" ot "feminine." *Question:* If my Si is masculine, would that necessitate my Ne being feminine? And would feminine Ne be more indecisive and reluctant to come to a singular conclusion than masculine Ne? (Perhaps in part from being easily swayed by alternative possibilities?) And if my Fe were masculine, would that make my Ti also feminine? Which leads me to: How might a person with both dominant & auxillary functions being feminine appear different from others of the same basic type?

[@someonerandom713]

If Si is masculine, that makes Ne feminine. It's the same binary coin game across the board. Feminine Ti would always come with masculine Fe. Regarding your final qustion: The stereotypically most masculine types are those who are counted as double masculine (MM), the most feminine types are the double feminines (FF). The distinction does not go by first and second function (or third, for the jumpers). The first letter, Mx or Fx, looks at the sensing function, regardless where it sits or which one it is. So if you take an ENTP or an ESFP as the example, they'll both be measured by their sensing function. The second letter, xM or xF, is determined by the tribe oriented judging function. Te, or Fe. Again, wherever it sits in the ego. If you see yourself as having masculine Si and feminine Fe, for example, with saviour Ti and Ne, you would be some variety of an "MF-Ti/Ne" type. Also, saviour ST has additionally been found to appear more stereotypically masculine, while saviour NF is the most stereotypically feminine. By that measure, the most feminine person would probably be any type with their NF functions as saviours, masculine intuition and feminine extraverted judging. So, if the first two functions are feminine, that would most likely only set them apart from the "average", if the functions are sensing and extraverted judging. (I don't know the statistics, but I would guess that out of the four possible gender energies (is that what it's called?), there's probably around 25% of each in the population. So 50% of people would be some sort of feminine/masculine.)

[@oscarl.3563]

Yes, if your sensing or feeling is masculine then intuition and thinking must be feminine. Feminine Ne probably comes to conclusions like M-Ne does, but is more yielding to other patterns/interruptions/possibilities. Check out ENFP Male's channel as he interviews Shannon(latest video) for the contrast between the two of them. As for your last question I don't think that OP tackles that. With OP your sexual modality(two-letter code FF, FM, MF, MM) is determined by whether your sensing(first letter) is F or M, while the second letter is the nature of your extraverted judger whether that's Te or Fe and whether it's your first or fourth function. Sometimes people have dominant & auxiliary functions that are for instance masculine, but their modality is FF. Like that Shannon girl the ENFP.

[@heatherbryant4197]

@@oscarl.3563 Oh, interesting! So S-F-Ti, S-F-Ne, D-M-Si, D-M-Fe would be "double masculine" ("MM") even though both saviors are feminine? I wonder why they base the modality off sensing and extroverted judging. 🤔 Maybe those are the functions they figure are most readily apparent to other people?

[@oscarl.3563]

@@heatherbryant4197 Yes that would be correct, that'd be a double masculine INTP. I believe it's because S and De(extraverted decider/judger) are indeed what is readily apparent to other people, and it shows itself in appearances as well. Like how F/M your face is. So it's looks+how much you push with your pushy functions. I think that there is a bit more to masculine/feminine energy than this, but OP is off to a good start. Maybe we'll be able to observe that savior MM is/comes off as more masculine than demon MM. Sounds plausible, anyways.

[@heatherbryant4197]

@@someonerandom713 So weird! I don't see your comment unless I actually click on my comment! And I didn't get a notification even though it lists your reply as being first (maybe because it was edited?). But at least I can read it this time! Anyway, thanks for answering. The explanation is helpful, as there doesn't seem to be an easy way to decode some of the jargon through Dave's videos. I guess I'll pose this question to you too: Why are the Sensing and extroverted Judging functions used to determine the gender modality? Is it because they figure the Sensing function and extroverted Judging function generate the behaviors that are most readily apparent to other people? By virtue of being more concrete and used to interface with others, respectively? I can't help but wonder if perhaps there is some aspect of "demonhood" (or "demon-ness"? lol) that I am mistaking for masculinity, considering that I see both my demons as "masculine" (though I'm more sure about the Si). Perhaps my grasp of the masculine/feminine concept is missing something. I suppose I see the "masculine" functions as being more stubborn and insistent while the "female" functions would presumably be more flexible and adaptive (I recall them using the term "pushy" for M but I'm gonna go with "stubborn" because I think that applies more to Si). Would you say that's fairly accurate? Or am I missing anything?

[@TooBizarreJulian]

I was pretty sure i have S-M-Ni (INTJ Ni/Fi here), because i can really remember the patterns and not so much the actual facts, but the last example with the Se objects pushing on myself... oh man, i get so pissed and spend so much energy on getting back that object its crazy

[@MsMarmeli]

Wait, I'm confused. Dave is bad with the patterns even though he has lead Ni? This seems paradoxical. Does the masculine/feminine matter more than what's your savior/demon? How would you even go about typing someone if it is this fleeting (I know, I know, one binary at the time)... but how do you measure someone is lead with Ni if they are bad with the patterns? How do you know you are measuring the right variable, when the definitions are so blurred? Ni can be good with details but bad with patterns? That just seems chaotic and upside down. Someone please help me out here. How does this add up?

[@trocycling1204]

My masculine SE is so bad that people that have it annoy me. 🤣

[@Hunter-ty6xr]

HoW dO YoU pUt It oN FaSt sPeEd?

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

What about C S Joseph

[@someonerandom713]

Single observer, double decider Saviour NT feminine on sensing, masculine on tribe 😉

[@dianaleestudio]

Feminine Se, please~~~

[@dylonias]

D-M-Si: I can tell you exactly what happened, but the why is way more important. Also, we just smash things because we've accidentally consumed too much all day and need something physical to take control over. I won't hit a person, but I'll punch the hell out of that AC tube thing I bumped my head on

[@CognitiveFrontier]

The problem with these guys is they don’t even apply their own system correctly. This guy would be Te and Si valuing by their own definitions.

[@fila8727]

At 0:26 you say that "intuition is understanding". This is wrong. Intuition is not understanding - intuition is imagining, playing with possibilities, guessing, meta-knowledge, basically anything you can perceive without some solid concrete proof. For example the mechanic who fixes his car because he knows how it works, he understands everything, but his understanding is Si - based. There is no N there - no guessing, just reality and facts well-organized in his head. Now, the person who tends to brainstorm and create new ideas and can come out with puns and jokes, that's Ne-based understanding. Basically you grasp something that is not there concretely (N) and you do so by looking at the outside world (E). The reason I disagree is because you' re implying that S is dumb and only deals with data without connecting it.

[@Binyamin.Tsadik]

You're not wrong about your definition but Intuition is also understanding.

[@missfireeye]

I don‘t understand why you guys always call the inferior function the demon function. Isn’t the demon function your 8th function and not the 4th? Or is there smth that I didn’t understand?

[@moatemsulongchar8418]

I'm amazed when people memorize every dialect in a video. And I'm like forgetting even the title of the video. "You sure this people are not a genius?"

[@ibanezmonsterg]

I highly suspect my mom is on the very left and my dad is on the very right... he'll recall events in detail from decades years ago lol. Would be nice if there were some sort of checklist to see where you really are... although I'm typed D-M-Se like Dave, I always feel like my memory sucks... but not sure if it's from consuming too much information in general, or what.

[@encounteringjack5699]

Problem... You’re basing this based on skill, not personality. Are the functions supposed to be skill based? If so, why in the world are we acting like it’s for personality? Whatever the answer is, I’m still gonna have to read about these myself since I’m skeptical about the whole thing. Seriously! There seems to be three different models of these functions. This one, a common one I don’t know what it’d be called (not sure if this is the same or not), and then the one by Eric over on Talking with Famous People. So yeah. I think these are definitely worth looking into. Which is why I am!

[@Naan-E]

It'll be much easier to learn this model if you had the patience to learn Eric's. I'm trying to learn his, but his videos are, presentation-wise, awful and disorganized. They're also not at all concise. Dave's videos on OP are very well made and get to the point in a short span of time.

[@encounteringjack5699]

McScrubber what do you mean by OP? Never heard it before.

[@Naan-E]

@@encounteringjack5699 This taxonomy: Objective Personality

[@encounteringjack5699]

@@Naan-E Yeah but personality isn't about skill. It's about behavior. Cognitive functions are meant to show how a person is typically processing information. At least from what I've been able to gather that seems to be the case.

[@Naan-E]

@@encounteringjack5699 They're not making a point about skill. The point made here is how masculine S has an affinity to latch on to factual/sensory information and therefore flexibility is present on the connections/understandings/imaginations of the feminine N. The opposite is true for the pairing of masculine N and feminine S. This is the behavior that manifests into what can potentially be seen as a skill (to which they had a natural aptitude for) in the examples they showed and discussed in this video.

[@7sanctuz]

I wanna see a video about masculine Fe in an ENFJ as I can understand them(/us*?) to be very kind of... critical,- almost rebellious to social norms for example. Let's say (m)Fe with (f)Ni. Does that create an ENFJ who tries to control the social sphere but with like an openness to others? Something like that?

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

Awww poor dave :(

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

But what do i feel bad about? I forgot ..

[@vazzaroth]

Interesting how Mike (A terrible person btw, lol) refers to all of these things in HIS past as current tense. I have Si and this is freaking me out. Unless I'm directly pointing at something, it's all in the past to me. Even if I go to the same place every week, I say "I went to X last week and..." still, but I bet Se people would say "I go to X, and last week...". Wondering if I parsed that right.

[@jrmorrisjr1471]

09:23 Seems perfectly reasonable to me...

[@missfireeye]

If you‘re an INTJ with feminine Se, does that mean that you have masculine Si?

[@spannycat2]

No. I means you have masculine Ni. However your sexual modality letter for sensing will be F.

[@Hijazi44]

What is a masculine Se and what is a feminine Se ?

[@Arlyon9999]

My memory is gawd awful.

[@Magani79]

What are savior and demon? Are they the 1st and 4th functions? Please explain...

[@Naan-E]

They have many videos explaining this concept, and even one (or a few, can't remember) video(s) entirely dedicated to this topic. Saviors are the two cognitive functions you will run to use under stress/panic, and demons are the other two. Saviors can be 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd, and demons are 2nd and 4th or 3rd and 4th. Not doing your demons sufficiently is, according to my understanding, the root of your life problems.

[@g4e4rman54]

Could you make a Video about Estp I often have Problems explaining thinks like my memory is kompletly different its like when i remember thinks i have all other Details in my mind and everything is so important to me (I meditate a lot) and when i tell storys i have the feeling that my authentic side just sems boring cause its realy detailed und like this is that and there was this and i feel like those thinks are truely tue best think there could be just a appreciation for the physikal but if i tell it to friends most of them think a bit like wow this guy thinks so differently and so it gets hard to stick in norms what i tried to do for my friends but i dont realy care

[@oscarl.3563]

I have great memory only I remember very little. /D-F-Se.

[@someonerandom713]

#omgThatsSoMe

[@SnoozeTheRecluse]

Lol I've seen you before

[@someonerandom713]

@@SnoozeTheRecluse I think I've seen you, too. Do you remember where? 🤔

[@Shadow77999]

Wtf is all that he mutters lmao

[@farrex0]

Not gonna lie, as an ENTP I would not trade my Ne for anything else, but I wish I had that great of a memory. Looking at that clip feels like it is a wasted superpower, incredible memory used for the most useless thing ever. It is like being the most intelligent person ever and becoming an artist...

[@rawthenticatedflavors9109]

YO. Lopez.. D-F-Se... 🤔

[@brennenhrebeniuk9661]

As an ENTP with Ne then Ti then Fe then Si what would I be on the memory scale?

[@bradleyngoni4114]

Depends on whether your Si is Masculine or Feminine

[@brennenhrebeniuk9661]

@@bradleyngoni4114 how do I determine that?

[@bradleyngoni4114]

@@brennenhrebeniuk9661 I have no idea. I'm also trying to figure it out as a fellow ENTP.

[@wes2262]

They have a machine on Amazon that does that. You should buy it on Prime Day

[@brennenhrebeniuk9661]

@@wes2262 lol what?

[@weavingthevaluess]

u just said an enfp with amazing memory... ??? entp here,,, worst memory of all time

[@CrystalDuan95]

Ashton Bowerman hahah I’m a masculine Si enfp

[@JV-cz6fz]

You have got to find a better dichotomy name for masc and fem. you will be made fun of for such a cartoonish description of behavior. Also you’re opening a whole can of worms for people to get offended and miss your point. Not doing yourself many favors. I understand what you’re getting at but even I cringe when I hear y’all say masculine this and masculine that.

[@cosmicyoke]

Te ;_;

[@totonow6955]

Do you know who you are endorsing?

[@jakeholland1825]

I know you're a idiot

[@CthulusFavoriteTreat]

I see you mr. Nearing 10 minute video man