Visual Memory: Masculine N

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[@karoliendaems5409]

I love seeing how much fun you have together, how you can make each other laugh. I see you two and for the FIRST time in my life I see a couple that makes me say 'I want that too'. I am 35, being alone attracks me more, always has, but NOT if I can have what you guys have...thanks for the spark of hope!

[@tarikalakkad2005]

I noticed that too. IxFP?

[@PhotoRubio]

Watching these 2, I >catch< myself smiling like an idiot at a laptop screen. It's a beautiful thing.

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

INFJ much? :D

[@Bahador_R]

What is your type?

[@wendikl7179]

I literally said the same thing :)

[@Laura-et2xj]

Dave seems to totally love making Shan laugh and it's sweet.

[@MikeDolar1]

I see you invested in lighting :)

[@aniokay]

"Ah, you must be a sensor then" 😉

[@JJ-io9ms]

Huh they did?

[@Shadow77999]

@@aniokay lol

[@CaveyMoth]

@@aniokay Or maybe the change in lighting is sparking the intuition to detect something new.

[@XavierGuillaume]

I must have masculine Ne then. Because I remember things by making stories. Like amantadine is a drug for Parkinson's because I remember a man with Parkinson's dining. And Phentolamine is for high blood pressure because I think if the Phantom of the Opera having high blood pressure. I can keep going, gemfibrozil is for lowering triglicerides bc I think of the game Zelda, where Link has to get the Triforce, but he also collects gems.

[@tarikalakkad2005]

That what happens when creative people make it to medical field. That was pretty good imagination tho.

[@kellikakes81]

I understand (or relate more to)this example of masculine Ne, than what they presented, ironically. I do this type of thing, all of the time.

[@XavierGuillaume]

side note: i was typed by dave and shan and they did type me as savior masculine Ne!

[@ChristineCFord]

I just realized that half my freak outs are me yelling at everyone “why can’t you see the pattern!?” With my S-M-Ni. I always thought that people where just purposely being difficult or indifferent. Actually, no, they can’t see the pattern and what I’m seeing. No wonder they think I’m always making a big deal out of nothing!

[@bumblyjack]

Absolutely. I personally think of mine as a web. New ideas plug themselves into the web, it shifts, and forms new connections. Then, as Consume-Sleep Ne-Si, I organize the ideas and it generates more... which then fit themselves into the web too. An idea takes up a "physical" space in my mental realm. It's sort of like a box. I have a general sense of what's in the box, but I don't know the specific facts until I pick it up and open it. Even then, the facts are mostly a cobbled-together reconstruction made up of a couple remembered details with the majority of it filled in based on context clues.

[@SabeloNada00]

I think I do the same, but I call it a bubble. I consume to place information under the bubble, once it`s there it`s all interconnected. When recalling information, certain areas light up and they create a web which comes out as "the answer". I am an ENFP, but I am not that familiar with OP system. Can I be Consume/Sleep/Blast?

[@daleearnhardt817]

Yeah, mine is a wed of puzzle pieces making a picture of the universe and if a new undeniable fact doesn't fit then I have to tear it down and rebuild starting with the new data

[@SabeloNada00]

@@daleearnhardt817 that sounds like Ti, isn't it?

[@bumblyjack]

​@@SabeloNada00 Yeah, Remy and Dale, you sound like you're describing Ne-Ti. Dale, it sounds like Ti is your dominant function. Nea, can you try describing what kind of things you really, really hate doing and what you hate about them? That could help identify your last "animal". Also, notice how Ti sounds very bottom-up: the focus is on the individual data points. Test them, test their connections, and then add that stuff together to see what results. Fi is more top-down: the focus is on the connections. See where a point is located in the web/bubble, what it touches, and look for far-reaching downstream effects on the web as a whole when a change comes.

[@SabeloNada00]

@@bumblyjack At work I hate to redo somebody`s work, I`ll rather start from zero, as I hate to look for mistakes in details (I avoid any proofreading, editing, etc). I can`t work long hours without feeling physically sick, I usually find a way to do a full day`s work in half the time.

[@johannesminge]

I am an ENFP and I have a lot of NF-friends, and we kinda do a similar thing with colors. One time, we rehearsed for a gig, and we couldn't make it sound right. My INFP-friend stopped playing his guitar, turned to us and said it sounded military green, and we needed it to sound marine blue. We started playing again, an boom! Spot on! Perfect! 👌🏻 My wife (also ENFP 💃🏻🚀) told her grandmother, which is likely an ESFJ, about this, and now she probably thinks we have some sort of mental problems... 🙃

[@LittleMew133]

Days of the weeks and people's names have colors to me as well.

[@CricketRodeo]

I love how much you make Shan (and your audience) laugh Dave. You're really funny. I almost spit my smoothie out all over my laptop at the end of this video.

[@melodyjan6909]

This video has brought a lot of positive change in my life. I'm not sure if I have feminine or masculine Ne (or even if it's savior or demon) still, but this video put into words something that I had not consciously tapped into/exploited in my life. I was trying to learn like an S. But through your video, I realized that that just did not work for my brain. After watching this, I've been applying more N-heavy visual memory/memory palace-type methods into my schoolwork, and it's made it far, far more efficient.

[@sophiaredwood5825]

Gosh, wow. I’m an ENFP with photographic memory and a very good associative memory. I’m very visual, having synesthesia in a lot of areas and making connections between things to keep them in my mind. Location association is the most natural way to remember something- if I’m in a certain place or staring at a certain thing when something happens, I will ALWAYS remember where I was during that event or when I heard a certain thing. In fact, when I return to that location, I’ll remember certain conversations or even thoughts based on the last time or few times I was there. When thinking back to a specific part in a book I’ve read or a video game I’ve played, I will always know where exactly I was sitting or standing or lying down when reading the book or playing the game, even years later. I’m the kind of person to drive past a certain tree and remember the exact words someone in the car with me said when we were last near that tree. I’m also the kind of person to remember a conversation and say, “Oh yeah, we talked about that while waiting for the light to turn at Harmony Road, and I was looking at the Party City store when you told me *insert exact words*.” I’m starting to think I have masculine Si...

[@fattysl26]

I've never heard anyone explain how I experience remembering things, but this is spot on!

[@sophiaredwood5825]

@@fattysl26 Hahaha, nice! Hello, fellow human with a descriptive memory! Do you happen to know what OPS type you are, or have any guesses? I’m just curious. I’ve self-typed as an MM Ne/Fi CS/P(B).

[@fattysl26]

@@sophiaredwood5825 Hey fellow human 😃. It's funny, you become so used to how you're brain operates you think that's how everyone does it, but apparently not! Their OPS system is a bit confusing, but after a few videos I've self-typed as I think FM Ne/Fi CS/P. Didn't seem to have blast but 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@sophiaredwood5825]

@@fattysl26 Hahaha I can definitely relate 😅👏 And oh wow, those are similar 🤩

[@fattysl26]

@doschirak_drohne You may be right! I find their typing a bit confusing so you could be on to something 🤔

[@aubreys1675]

I have learned so so much from Dave and Shan’s videos and still, I think my favorite part is the end clips of Dave making a dumb joke and Shan finding it hilarious!! 😂 gives me hope someone might be that amused by my own dumb jokes

[@ohgodimdead]

I’m Ne (INTP) and very much like Jordan Peterson, and how he describes his thought process. I had a little bit of an epiphany watching this. Ne vs. Ni understanding and accuracy is paramount for Ne hence it’s open to modification and additions, since it’s the goal itself to understand... but we’re also lazy and prone to being in la la land because it’s so open ended. And boy howdy I can be lazy all right. Ni on the other hand sees concepts as a means to an end, so it wants to close the loop, create the box to put things in, so they can get on to doing a thing based on that.

[@herminlionel1909]

I'm also an INTP. I'm not sure if the laziness comes from NE or from a general lack of respect for the physical world. All the functions that tie us to the physical world are on the bottom of the stack, so they get less respect.

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

@@herminlionel1909 I also agree. Laziness can't be tied to a function. Laziness is rather tied to motivation and thus enneagram. Functions are all about information and what you do with it anyway.

[@eb44345]

Yeah I thought Jordan Peterson looked like an INTP. Remember he freaked out about being forced to use language that he disagreed with. That's his inferior Fe screaming about following society's rules.

[@era1442]

As INFP, I also relate. My mind automatically connects pieces of information that have similarity together, into a larger network of connections or possibilities. It often happens even while the subject may be completely different, but suddenly I'll remember "I heard that somewhere, read a similar thing in a book" etc. About the laziness, I've thought about it myself, and I'm not so sure if we are that "lazy". We do most of our work in our heads, and our minds are running stuff all day lol. It's harder to pay attention to sensory (blindspot Se) and sometimes when I'm in-thought, and I'm doing something like holding objects/taking stuff out of cabinets, or whatever, I might lose track of what I was doing in the sensory because I'm so inside my conceptual/abstract Ne world.

[@aniokay]

I think you are collapsing multiple functions in to one there. Accuracy is not an Ne trait as far as my understanding go and "get on doing " is not an Ni trait of itself.

[@hfortenberry]

Cool! I have S-M-Ni. I'm an INTJ. I'm very good at remembering concepts and patterns. I am strong with Ni (obviously) and consume massive amounts of information/Se and then I organize and sift through it to reduce it to it's essence. Then I will ALSO take something that is very complex, that can't be reduced to just one essence, say a complex system and I will turn that into a sort of infographic in my mind. I do see the elements as part of an abstract visual framework where the pieces are attached to the framework. If it is something I learned in school, say for example, the Kreb's Cycle in Cell Biology, then I would just remember the diagrams of the cell and various reactions going on it the cell. Or remembering the Box Model in CSS, again I'd just remember the graphic. There is almost no chance I'm going to remember some random fact just thrown out at me. It's GOT to have some relationship with some framework. Or I'll have to create a new framework for it to insert the facts into. I remember explaining this way that I learn to my Mom (an INFJ) in college and she got it.

[@emilypiens2355]

can someone pls give me the reversed version of that last clip? i need it

[@emilypiens2355]

@@blastoff2086 i have waited 7 monts on that... And every second was worthit

[@MicahTurnerMusic]

Blast Off! that was amazing

[@srulyp.7428]

@@blastoff2086 ?

[@jlistergaming7880]

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[@sophiaredwood5825]

Jlister Gaming ^^

[@tomwiggins2869]

This is fascinating! And explains a whole lot of miscommunication... As an ENTP I think in terms of shapes and pins: - The shapes are what an idea actually 'is', and I just 'see' them. Anything I learn which helps me change the shape of an idea, or give it more detail, or add another layer or whatever just stays there, pretty much forever, no effort needed. I can zoom in or out to whatever level I need to work on. But there's not a hope that I'll be able to tell anyone where I got my information. - The pins are actual, cold, solid real-world facts. They tell me where in space the idea is supposed to sit, what its dimensions need to be, or where I haven't quite got the shape right yet and need to give it some more attention. - If the pins and the shapes sit nicely together, then they're quite likely to stay put when I look away. In fact a well pinned, tight shape 'shows me where to look' for more pins. - If the pins are loose and don't have any decently formed shape hanging off them, they just fall out in seconds. Doesn't matter how many pins I put in, without a shape they're as good as gone!

[@diotimamyrina]

can you describe what you mean by ideas (do you mean exhisting concepts or project ideas that you want to create or something else) if the shapes have realistic form referencing real life things or something totally unrelated and what their modifications in your first point derive from?

[@tomwiggins2869]

@@diotimamyrina The term 'shape' here is a bit abstract in itself - at no point could I actually sit down and map an idea onto literal paper. The 'shape' is my conceptual understanding of what the idea 'is''; if that's a project, no part of it will make sense without the rest. What am I trying to achieve? What are my methods? What are the starting conditions? What is the science behind how it will work? Who will be involved, and why do they care? There's really no point trying to gather data on any of that in any depth without some concept of how it will all fit together first, because the context dictates the learning. A keystone without a bridge is just a funny shaped rock. If I have no understanding of bridges and I find a keystone, I will have no idea what it is and therefore will quickly forget ever seeing it, because I see lots of funny shaped objects!

[@diotimamyrina]

@@tomwiggins2869 thanks for replying now it seems obvious but still very fascinating it's also very interesting that (at least it sounds like) you also integrate your own creativity of the moment in your memory system and not just the past creations/information, I don't think I do that as intp

[@perjohanaxell9862]

I recognise this a lot. I have a very visual memory and I constantly need to connect things. It's like building a building or laying a puzzle mutch like Jordan describes it. Sometimes I say that my memory is hyperlinked, like Wikipedia there on thing constantly leads to the next. Fascinating to see someone else describe it.

[@hfortenberry]

Okay after watching this, I DEFINITELY have savior masculine intuition and yes it is very visual! I also do have the kinesthetic timeline though but it's in smaller snippets rather than fleshed out across my whole life. I mean I DO have that visual timeline but I don't flesh it out as much as I do with the mental palace. I remember describing this timeline to a friend as a kid and it felt like I was saying something crazy because it was so abstract. But yeah, the visual framework is stronger with me than the kinesthetic timeline. But they are both very conscious. I remember trying to explain to my Mom (INFJ) in college (before I knew MBTI) how I learned. I told her that I build up a framework or skeleton in my mind and only when that framework feels solid do I then start to place in the pieces or attach the various smaller parts into that skeleton. If I can't get the framework in my mind first, I learn MUCH more slowly which actually meant that sometimes I was a poorer student than my Si friends who could just rote memorize stuff way faster than me. But if there was some concept I could latch onto, then I could learn it better than anyone else. I am always automatically and instantly building up my frameworks anytime I need to learn something new. I'll ask or read whatever questions I have to get that in place and only then will I start to place the parts into it. For example, when learning a new programming language I first learn the full scope of the language, the data structures, syntax rules, and other big picture aspects of it, FIRST. Then once I have the full scope understood, I will dive into each aspect (e.g. the data structures) and learn all there is to learn about that part. Then once I get that down, I'll move on to dive into the next chunk of stuff (e.g. syntax). I can learn something complex very quickly this way.

[@fatoumfatoumeh]

I am ENTJ (I’m almost certain that I’m Feminine Te and Masculine Fi though)....I have excellent long-term memory, but usually only with events and interactions that are significant or hold meaning to me (whether positive or negative), I remember date, time, clothes worn, exact words said, location, food eaten...it’s like watching a movie in my head, and people are always in awe when I start to whip out the details, didn’t know I was being savant-like. Everything else I tend not to remember well, blurry and vague. My short-term memory is disgustingly horrible, especially when I’m busy or under pressure, you’ll find me misplacing things and forgetting where I left stuff. I’m also bad at remembering names and numbers in general, that includes birthdays and anniversaries. I’m okay at remembering faces, not the best. Concepts, semantics and procedures, yes, they stick with me forever. Wonder which function is at play here? Is it Ni?

[@dawnriddler]

ENTJ and same here. Except I can memorise numbers quite well, I am way better with numbers than words. Although I'm Masculine Te and Feminine Fi. I don't have a "mind palace", it's more like a film roll tape (memorisation in years form, from my kindergarten years to today). And if I want to remember something from 10 years ago, I'd think of the most significant thing during that time and then just go back or forth depending when the thing I'm trying to recall happened. As for short term memory, I have to write everything down, even the stupidest shit, because the chances are, I'll forget it in the next 2 min.

[@hfortenberry]

INTJ here and I TOTALLY do this! I have what I call a scaffold or skeleton or framework in my mind that provides the backbone structure and encompasses the scope of what I need to remember and then I start adding the details into it after I build the skeleton to support and contain it all. If I were to try to remember facts/details without that framework, I couldn’t do it. This allows me to keep track of a lot more information even though I have a horrible memory otherwise (8th position Si). Another version of this that I use, as do many of us, is simply remembering via infographics and diagrams, graphs, charts, etc. (e.g. Kreb’s cycle).

[@_zh3ro_]

the ending of this video was the cutest thing

[@darkrebel123]

Shannon's laughing fits get me every time. What a contagious laugh lol

[@aresicarus]

I didn't know about this, I am an INTP, and this is exactly how I arrange things in my head so that I can remember them. and its soo damn effective.

[@jj277360]

This was very interesting to watch. I have masculine sensory demon (my best guess of my type would be enfp) and when I'm trying to remember something I go over it constantly. I'll make a game out of it sometimes, just anything to force myself to drill it into my memory. Then it's like "tattooed" in my head. May fade over time, but I can recall it very well if it's important. May take some time to reach for something I didn't know I needed to remember tho

[@drcharliewallace]

I really appreciate this video. I have F Si savior and M Ne demon. As a preacher, I often see guys preaching while hardly looking at their notes. This helps me understand that I'm just not built to do that. If I want to become like that I'll have to work 10x harder.

[@czJanKrejci]

This is actually incredibly helpful! Now I know how should I try to remember things, thanks!

[@MidnightAssass1n]

Ne ruined my high school experience. It was great in the first half because I would just learn something with Ne, put it in the web and then pass the test. But I was too reliant on it and when there was more stuff to memorise in the latter years I just couldn’t remember it all and then I had no idea how to study because I’d never done it before

[@BurgundyandBlue1111]

When someone love you and can make you laugh like he made her laugh at the end of this video, you snatch him up and never let him go. 🥰

[@mrdude3523]

As a JP fan, I am glad you guys analyzed his personality! Ti-dom without a doubt.

[@AS-jq4lb]

Would be interested to know whether there is an overlap between saviour Ne/Ni individuals with aphantasia and feminine Ne/Ni. Because I can’t see shit in my head.

[@AntonyReed]

My memory works kind of like one of those magic 8-balls, or some hazy crystal ball when I try to recall memories. It presents me with a general idea and feeling of a memory, mainly. Now and then I do have some snippets of visual in there.

[@x-mess]

Similar for me! I can't tell you what the person said verbatim but just the general jist.. unless it was very impressionable.

[@qataripekarsky]

How does the Objective Personality system account for people with poor verbal- & non-verbal working memory? Does it assume that people who lack the ability to mentally envision pictures/words or clearly organize their thoughts must have savior Oe with demon Oi? How does the concept of F vs. M come into play with these types of people (i.e., individuals with Executive Function Deficit Disorders like ADD/ADHD)?

[@Vice_Verse0]

Not sure which function is stronger, but I don't have the best memory to say much of. My sensory is more kinesthetic, where my body remembers more than I do. Many of times, I'm not sure how to do something, but my hands remember just by touching it and all the information comes back to me. However, I use more Intuition, and often don't care about the facts unless the result makes logical sense.

[@Cameron-uw6cl]

Legitimately lmao at the end clip

[@ZinedinePrime]

You're a sensor

[@insecureintellectual4783]

Zinedine Prime okay boomer

[@insecureintellectual4783]

Zinedine Prime lol just kidding. i’m just saying tho... that anecdotal stuff is exactly what they say not to do. 😆

[@Cameron-uw6cl]

Zinedine Prime I hope so

[@oscarl.3563]

Not every intuitive can manipulate a 'memory palace', very few can. I sort of get it how certain letters, words or digits may mean something in particular to us and so help our memorization and understanding but Derren Brown or savant people are on a totally different level from your average intuitive. Do I visualize to remember? Do I remember patterns or build images? If I do I am terribly unaware of it. I'm gonna have to research and contemplate all of this.

[@imiguifurr]

Maybe you have femenine intuition, i would think that this technique is easy to use for people with masculine intuition...

[@oscarl.3563]

@@imiguifurr Well that might be. I believe that I do some of these things on a small scale, but I never developed or took part of any system for memorization. And it seems like a bother to learn the "mind castle" so I definitely wouldn't do it unless there is a need for it. I always liked numbers, but I don't remember birthdays. I don't know the birthdays of my parents, friends or family -except for a few exceptions. For reasons pretty much unknown there is exactly 3 birthdays that I remember apart from my own: that of my older brother on the 10th of august, that of a childhood friend of mine on the 4th of February and that of an old less-than-friends classmate on the 3rd of december -near to my own birthday. For unknown reasons I do remember some things... but generally I retain only information that I like. There was always something that appealed to me about the 4th of February and the 10th of August that made them memorable in my mind, and the last birthday is likely inscribed in my memory by association to my own. And that last bit is a bit similar to the intuition mind-map stuff that they mention here. It's a wonder that I did as well in school as I did, but I have retained none of it. Everything that I learned was only a temporary thing to pass the upcoming test.

[@XavierGuillaume]

I have never tried this memory palace trick, nor have I had any interest to. Maybe one day. I believe I have masculine savior Ne. I do find that it is easier for me to remember numbers if they are dates. Like if I had to remember 1117, I would find it easier to remember as November 2017.

[@imiguifurr]

​@@oscarl.3563 I have DF-Si and I seem to remember the most absurd shit at face value, the world throws objective facts at me and I memorize them instantly, like names (of things, places, people), Historical events and exact dates, I can even remember a long succession of events in a timeline, and I often have to in order to understand the mechanisms of influence... I also have great ease memorizing taxonomy terminology and algorithmic procedures...

[@oscarl.3563]

@@imiguifurr A useful superpower, for sure. As a child I excelled at memory games, but in school I didn't take cramming facts seriously. So it's something about my long-term storage that is...unusual. I'm pretty sure that I have a good memory for things that I care about(for as long as I care about them...) Actually I _do_ remember dates and other things but only in an imprecise, abstract manner. I have a good sense that my sister's birthday is in january, around the 20th I just don't know when exactly. Having a sense of it, without the extra load of remembering Everything about it seems to be all that I care about. The gist of it, whatever IT is. Then I resolve the details as they come along. Well there are times that not knowing the facts get the better of me. It's not so fun when you don't know if it's Tom or Thomas and you get all stressed out about it. That must be what Dave and Shan call a tidal wave. Oh and I'm most likely dominant M-Ni.

[@AlexandraRose530]

This is so interesting. A couple observations here: I believe Jordan Peterson's main class about this theory is called Maps of Meaning, which is a pretty great descriptor for this process. And the second thing I'm noticing from you description is that the N has highly contextualized information (even if it's the imaginary context of the mind palace) whereas S has decontextualized, discrete facts memorized.

[@CaveyMoth]

I can't remember things 10 seconds after people tell me them. I lost the keys to my mind castle.

[@dianaleestudio]

I'm currently working on my Se by memorizing 5 verses a week. I definitely will try the mind palace.

[@heritage.home.crochet]

Okay so this makes sense...I am an ENFP- Ne/Te with masculine demon sensory, and even though I am an intuitive and enjoy visual things, imagination and all of that, I have a linear memory and tend to remember things based on the point of time they happened. I forget the patterns and thus fall into the same traps frequently haha.

[@AubreeGames]

This is really interesting. Identifying and understanding the nuance separating savior from masculine and demon from féminin seems to be the next step for me now

[@einsame_Maria]

I have such a shitty visual memory. But if I hear something,or attach it associatively to a situation, then it's locked in. I once wrote a letter to my future self, asking questions and telling myself things. I wanted time to pass, to open it, and read it like it's a letter from another person. It has been more than 10 years, I still remember what I wrote about and what I asked myself in that letter. I'm still waiting to forget, so I can read it and be impressed or moved or something))) I do remember details very well, but they are so random hahhah

[@einsame_Maria]

It's also interesting to watch this clip today, because in the morning I talking to my mom and telling her about how I passed my exams in university. I can remember almost all of them with details, quotes. And that's how I told those stories to my mom. And it was 5-9 years ago.

[@pyosomemore6383]

As for me, as long as i can understand the whole all the small minute details fall into place. I cant just remember random disjointed facts, they need to fit in to the whole so i can retain it and it sticks

[@0halibut0]

Finally a triangulation video on Mas Se/Si. Thank you!

[@isabella16939]

This is how I remember things: I do not 😭 I think I have savior Si, but masculine Ne. Like, I usually think I know the facts, but when I want to blast it, I realize that I do not remember the facts/details AT ALL, only the the overview and how it works. I do pride myself for doing those intuition stuffs, but if I was doing that regularly, I wouldn't be proud of it.

[@Terrazona929]

Hahaha 😂 I saw it but I forgot it. I say that about every movie I’ve seen. I suppose the upside is I don’t spoil it for anyone seeing first time. 😆👍 I remember enough about Memento to know I don’t want to watch that guy forget everything over and over- torturous. I guess I remember how I feel experiencing things.

[@DeezyRYG]

I loved that ending so much.

[@empemitheos]

Jordan Peterson has said that he is not a visual thinker, he used that analogy as a way to describe how his theory works but not explicitly how he thinks

[@chadherbert18]

I do this ‘memory’ castle thing. Very visual and there are huge, long, detailed memories, but I’ll say that I can’t find them until I have the object that I use to think on... e.g. I created a fantasy world, many stories over 30+ years, many of them for D&D groups, wrote a book, etc., but I can’t recall the stories without the maps that I drew while thinking about them, or at least picturing the maps. When I go looking for memories, I typically think about where it was to find it. I told my wife that I needed pictures of our adventures and such places around the house so that I’d recall our awesome adventures... Fascinating stuff! :)

[@tarcsio]

I recently saw this Kim Kardashian video where she goes through her "most iconic looks", and I was amazed by how she remembers the location and date where she used every single Outfit. Even the ones she just wore to a store and some paparazzi took a picture. Now I see that's Demon Feminine Ne

[@teemuhakkarainen7728]

Can you talk more about Ni memory? F and M Ni, D and S Ni?

[@Khswart1]

I’ve literally explained my memory/understanding of things exactly like Jordan Peterson did. That’s crazy. The only difference is I said it’s like I have an abstract puzzle, and when I lean something new it’s like a new puzzle piece that I now know where to place it

[@brennanbosco9477]

I figured I would put this up here. I am going to join your class when my workload with my school cools down, but I wanted to make this point. I have been typed by Lijo as an FF Ti/Ni SB/PC, and I have highly superior autobiographical memory(HSAM) aka hyperthymesia. This basically means I can not forget my own past experiences or emotions and an extreme savior like addiction to recall them. which is the reason I thought I was Dave's type for the longest time due to Fi being linked to (autobiographical) memory and nostalgia. If you do see this comment I would love to hear your input on how my cognitive stack plays into this.

[@josehenriquefs888]

I believe I have demon masculine Ne and this video convinced me of it even more. I'm an ISFJ and in the MBTI community there is this idea that Si has the more detailed memory, and I never related a lot to this. I have a good memory for patterns, not so much for facts. For example, in school when I was studying history, I used to forget names and dates all the time, but even now I remember the big picture of most part of what I studied. And my memory is very visual, I imagine visually the thing I'm learning and then I try to connect it to what I already know. Btw, I made a mind palace once, it worked, but it required a lot of time and energy, I think it's easier for people with savior masculine N.

[@adhistie1694]

Entp here, how his mind works is exactly like mine. Exactly Shan, geometric framework and we keep adding. So many dots in different sizes (Si) connected by logic (Ti), best for helicopter view (Ne). One giant mindmap where everything is connected and gets bigger and bigger as we grow older

[@PrincessRell09]

This is so fascinating! I want to be typed!! Lol 😂 I have a visual memory... I can pull dates, weather, etc in seconds. However, I can also pull facts from books, visually. If I read something, I can remember the page number and the section I read it. I’m an ENFJ... but sometimes I think I’m an INTJ or ENTJ... so I need to be typed... professionally lol.

[@DallasWales]

Wow, definitely me and the way I remember things. Savior M-Ne here. Also, BBC Sherlock talks about a mind palace! Masculine Intuition there EDIT: Haha, you guys ended up using the mind palace reference anyways :P

[@DallasWales]

@@Pope_Balenciaga nice, you probably have M-Ne/F-Si too then

[@swanben11]

Watching Sherlock for the first time was a spiritual experience, and for precisely that reason. It was like watching an exaggerated version of my ISTJ brother and I.

[@Purelyruminantzerosymptoms]

Awesome vid! Love your content

[@AntMugga]

I “remember” things in the same exact way Jordan Peterson does. I don’t call it memory though. Once I understand the big picture I don’t need to “remember” anything because the facts and details automatically come with the overarching understanding of the concept or the big picture. So I don’t try to remember anything I just make sure I understand the big picture because once I understand the big picture I can recall all the details. The only difference is I don’t “visualize”concepts I just understand them and if additional information comes in I just plug it into the framework as long I can find a connection. I visualize actual occurrences…so I can visualize exactly where we were when you told me you stubbed your toe 20 years ago and I can see the environment, remember how you sounded when you said it and have a general idea of when it happened but not exactly when it happened usually.

[@juanmosquera2952]

Lol enfp here watching all your demon si videos as motivation but getting sucked into each next video and not getting my work done 😆🤪😭 ok going now 🤣 it was super helpful, not sure if you’ve heard about the leadership compass. It’s also a good frame work that maps action( north) , vision (east), detail (west)and empathy (south). I find as an enfp I am very much into the vision and empathy, but weak on details (west) and action (north) . So now to just get into action on my agenda items!

[@ibanezmonsterg]

Interesting. Really wonder how this relates to learning kanji. For some people the Heisig method of making a story helps a lot, for others not so much. For me i just can't easily connect in memory the story that the kanji is supposedly telling with how it's drawn. It just pops up in mind through sheer repetition of looking at it, or it doesn't. So I suspect for me it may be the masculine sensory at work.

[@einsame_Maria]

I memorize (or at least try to, because if I don't practice Japanese even for a month, the kanji are all gone) them by stories For example "to get angry" 怒る、as (although it's extremely sexist) a woman 女 again 又 listened to her heart 心. Or something like "to hug" - 抱きしめる as to wrap 包む　with　arms　手(扌) I remember a lot of words and how they are pronounced,but kanji is my nemesis when it comes to learning Japanese

[@ibanezmonsterg]

Those make sense. Some of the ones that I saw in the Heisig book were really farfetched and it seemed more effort to remember the story than just looking at it a bunch of times. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with memory types, though.

[@einsame_Maria]

@@ibanezmonsterg I agree some descriptions are so complicated, that it is much easier to just remember the kanji itself. But for me it works only on the easier ones with not that many strokes. But then again very complicated ones get easier when you remember what the radicals mean. Unfortunately, I have such bad visual memory that it is a struggle for me, so much so, that right now (I haven't been writing in about a year) I wouldn't even be able to write 猫. And I used to write it everywhere (obviously, because I love cats)

[@einsame_Maria]

@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo that's the impression I got. That basically it's visualizing to memorize. Like when someone looks at the map, puts in away, but still has the image in their mind and they can use it. I just think that the technique is building on that innate ability to visually memorize something. Or to visually recreate it in your head. So one would just create their own visual image of all the things they want to remember. And use it basically as a map of a closet. They say memory palace, but it sound more like a closet? Like a fancy walk-in closet, where you have a shoe section, and a dress section. And you know where to go, to find each section first, before you can find the exact item you wanted. But honestly, I'm not that sure, because I don't have visual memory, at all. I always memorize things by ear or by association (connecting new information to what I already know, putting it into categories. For example, to remember the meaning of modal verbs in German, I connected them all to modal verbs in English, or I memorize in pairs of opposition. But all I do remember is usually what I just heard)

[@psleep4255]

This example explains why organic chemistry was so easy. The molecules were obvious. It would have been nice to know this in the 80’s. I had such a hard time explaining why I got it. I just did. It really pissed the guys off. 😂

[@4thNebula]

This is fun! I immediately think about my favorite character (Agent Pendergast) from my favorite authors (Preston and Child). He often will get off by himself to go to his "Memory Palace" to work problems out (very Buddhist to me.

[@scilines]

Pendergast was who I immediately thought of also. I particularly enjoy whenever his brother shows up inside the memory palace. 😏

[@hfortenberry]

I love watching you guys. You are so adorable!

[@diotimamyrina]

2:38 no he's right we store singular sensory facts, we just don't store them in physical space/objects, we remove them from the physical space and store them in a mindmap of our theory which is ne space though we only store facts if they fit or have potential to fit our theory, most of the other facts we quickly forget about

[@waterbender19]

i typed myself as masculine N and masculine Te without even knowing that was visual, but after i learned that that was a visual type i started realizing how i am so visual. i’ve always learned by making a picture/diagram in my head. when i’m arguing with someone i say “you don’t see what i’m trying to say.” i even have mental maps for the days of the week and the months of the year. ever since i can remember, the year is shaped like an oval and at the top is the summer months, to the right is the fall, on the bottom is winter, and to the left is spring. same with the days of the week but it goes counter clockwise: saturday top right, sunday top left, and monday-friday bottom left to right. when i don’t keep track of the days of the week like in the summer when i was younger, i would realize it was tuesday or whatever when i felt like it was saturday and i would have a weird moment of mentally moving my location on my days of the week oval. idk if any other visuals have maps like this but i would be curious to hear them because it comes so naturally to me i’ve never even thought much of it until now

[@danad401]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 In the 80’s I used to listen to my AC/DC and Judas Priest albums backwards...before I went to church. 🤪

[@shanegates678]

Im an INTP. I have a hopeless memory for soscial things but scientific/mechanical things stick like glue. It's not actually remembering perse because I can rebuild it on the fly because it just makes sense in the context of my understanding. Metaphors are very important. But it's very fast and reliable for me so long as it conforms to a logic/lateral framework.

[@perjohanaxell9862]

I would describe my memory as a puzzle or a wiki. I spend a lot of time trying to find whare new information fits in to the existing framework. But everything is allso conekted to everything else. The association game goes really fast for me.

[@Maria-nf9vt]

I understand what Peterson is describing , I do the same thing but its not very detailed in my mind, everything connects, its like sometimes the ''skeleton'' of some concepts are the same so i connect them to remember them

[@p1chler]

So what is feminine Ne Saviour like?

[@dylonias]

For memory? I see it mainly as kinesthetic plus visual, like a movie and I'm behind the camera. Remembering the combination of facts as they contributed to new patterns. For example, I could walk you through every classroom I had in college and talk a little about my experiences there, and all the facts that contributed

[@KajsaBernhardina]

Good question. Feminine Saviour Ne here and even I can't answer xD It's definitely not like the map of a house though, it's a lot more chaotic in my experience. Like a car driving up a path and then exploding. (methaphorically speaking) I will remember the explosion, not really the pathway. A moment later I am finding a new path, and driving a new car, and it explodes. Sort of going from concept to concept. And I would often imagine how the implications for it in reality, it is visual intuition but in a very realist way. So if I imagine a dragon, I must base it on real life serpents and all their real life characteristics, otherwise it's not believable. Masculine Si so I respect the real qualities of the imagined dragon more than the fantasy aspects of it. So that's it, I have no idea if this accurately summed up my functions but it's the only way I can describe them in this context.

[@VisibleMRJ]

Feminine Ne do not remember.

[@imiguifurr]

As a S F Ne, if I tried to make that memory castle or whatever, the rooms would suddenly change place, the objects would move around a lot and I would have a hard time remembering what object I used to represent the things I am trying to remember... I feel it is much easier for me to remember concepts by recalling the exact wording used to describe it and actually tracing a map in the real world by writing some key points or talking to someone I can easily remember what goes where and stuff

[@audy2174]

@@KajsaBernhardina I have feminine Ne and masculine Si as well and you described it perfectly!

[@AntiAuthority55]

Whoa this is incredible. Ok ya I remember things the exact way you explained Tiger woods memory, but I remember it through my inferior/demon Si, which I suppose means it’s masculine.

[@trocycling1204]

I'll work on a theory in my head as well, and then put pieces of it (as I figure them out) into certain areas of the theory. To map it all out on paper would take hours and hours, but I've got it all stored in memory. What's funny is that I keep adding to it as I learn new things, and not necessarily in a specific order.

[@trocycling1204]

Oh, and I'm all about ignoring complexity, so I only put things in my theory that are absolutely necessary. It's gotta be simple.

[@hugoclarke3284]

He's not an INTP, I can't believe you can't get this because you're always taking about control vs chaos, self vs tribe. Peterson is lead Ni. You actually see him make the distinction HIMSELF when talking to Russell Brand, observing that Brand's Ne style of delivery where he is following the train of thoughts as one thing reminds him of another. The same thing occurs with Ni (and like you say, everyone can do everything) but Peterson will draw upon and regurgitate the same philosophies that are connected in his brain. Generally speaking, INTP care about what is clinically true, what is an objective reality, and exploring concepts in the pursuit of that, and morally they focus on the objective health and treatment of others, acting with kindness and in the interest of others. INTJ care about the Truth with a capital T, the underlining but non-tangible truths that underpin our existence, which is EXACTLY what Peterson's life is about. His principles come from his feeling and he is in a better position to sympathize with the individual than the many.

[@ankaschannel]

completely agree! he definitely has Ni, always boiling things down to the same few archetypal patterns! also the Te... "clean your room" yea definitely INTJ. I dont see how he could be demon Fe, his thinking and feeling is quite balanced

[@caffemocca8855]

What a bullshit. Any type can care about the truth. This is why common MBTI is so full of bullshits. OPS is far more consistent at least within their own systems.

[@PersonalityTurtle]

That's how i describe it too, everything is related to everyting, but everything has it's place next to other things, and the distances between each item i add, i remember how each piece i add to my puzzle is relative to the others, and what percentage of each piece is it relevant to those around it, it's like a genetic code of memories, or like looking at a family tree, what percentage are all these connected to other pieces etc.

[@ericstankylekenny]

I have a great memory but not photographic. I have Ne dominant and when I imagine myself physically spinning, it helps me remember things I've forgotten. I also call my memory the "lazy Susan memory." I'll have to figure out what this is.

[@thissunchild]

You two crack me *up* 😆😆😆😆

[@NadaSorg]

You guys, I really need to find your introductory videos because as much as I enjoy listening to you, I’m always lost. Always lost. INTP by the way.

[@fillinthebleynk]

I think some of the way he describes adding things to memory is also part Ti, it’s logic stacking. I don’t think that description is Ne alone

[@quitefranklypersonal9557]

I have this thing where if I think of a song or just something random, I can think of that later and see what I saw when I thought of it before. Is that similar to this?

[@zhoumei6]

I use mbti as my big theory

[@Nimrad780]

I'm really curious about the audio types, because they also should have good memory. I'm thinking about that because I always remember what people say to me, and I'm not visual at all. I'm realizing now that I probably have feminine intuition in that case, but I am actually very good with remembering audio. I'm a composer and one of the things I really want to build is a data base that respects the audio more than the labels, and also to keep track of the labels because I always forget them. If I've heard a song even once, I'll recognize it the second time, but I don't know the names of even my favorite pieces...

[@august8679]

Having your masculine observer as demon sucks. I thought my struggle to remember things was because I have fem sensing, but I now think it’s because I don’t create enough visual frameworks where I track patterns, since it’s a demon.

[@drowningblonde]

For a man that calls mbti archaic and invalid, he sure knows how to explain cognitive functions.

[@AntiAuthority55]

So fascinating. The memory castle idea is brought up and explained by Mads Mikkelsen’s version of Hannibal Lecter in the show.

[@fluffyclouds555]

the ending of the video. Love you guys

[@randomtraveler8594]

So if you're Savior Ni and need to draw a concept to understand it visually, or you have a musical memory, what kind of intuition is that?

[@ohgodimdead]

Random Traveler I think it’s still Ni as its still drawing concepts, Ni is just less expansive than Ne, and I think Ni wants to close the loop to get something done more than Ne.

[@randomtraveler8594]

@@ohgodimdead Interesting. Is the Ni masculine or feminine?

[@AndeAndrea]

@@randomtraveler8594 I have to do this and I am feminine Ni (FM modalities) so most likely feminine.

[@diotimamyrina]

Ti/Si here and I do the same, but as JBP said it's not visual at all, it's conceptual but translated to visual to be understood, so I'll remember the branches of a specific part of the theory because it makes sense, they come up in a logical sequence or have multiple connections to other parts of the tree, or connect to keywords from the last lines of the most recent discussion or sth random that just passed in front of me -although these external triggers I forget in seconds-, but I don't have to picture the tree in my head or walk through it like a building to remember something, I only "walk" through it through Ti I guess, and I don't have to "walk" the whole thing to get to the part of interest, I can just zoom in there and maybe just quickly work it backwards to see what the previous one or two connections were the tree or the concepts/connections are neither visual nor mentally tactile/physical, so there's a concept that's only the sense/vibe of an idea and let's say that if translated visually it's a sphere and that sphere can get connected to multiple directions so if you zoom out and make it conscious and translate it to image it looks like a tree or a mindmap, or even better a neural network also I attach labels for the levels of possibility of each branch actually being true and reevaluate them once in a while as more information gets connected, they're like colored auras but without color or physicality, and then connect the label to the information that supports it but I usually forget that cause they're hanging from one side and only remember my own conclusions so that's when I have to go over the whole thing again if I suspect my conclusions were wrong this happens by default I don't have to try much or do it consciously but the major drawback is that there is nowhere to attach information that's irrelevant to the theory so most of the real world/real life/sensory/feeling shit that's going on at best will be hanging somewhere from one side and only rarely get connected to something else to strengthen the memory or if it's something of interest it will have it's own little bush that's maybe loosely connected to the tree but I might totally forget about later in life also I really struggled with getting there but now I've reached a point in my theory that it has clear purpose and a very beneficial possible application but this might come from the fact that I've spent a lot of time in superego isfp and now that I have an end goal I have to consume a shitton to mold it into more of an ant bridge when it comes to my own experiences (Si) if I was semi conscious and semi paying attention -which I'm often not paying attention-, I always remember them when someone or something brings them up and draws the picture/setting again for me the visual part of my memory is that I'll always remember if I've already seen something, I've done a test online that said I'm close to a super recogniser for faces for example but usually can't bring the images up again by thought alone and if I do it's form over colors and outlines, I can also create complex forms in my head and remember them over time but there's no color ever

[@rawthenticatedflavors9109]

Thank you for this. People seem "impressed" by my ability to remember Birthdays. They don't know that I'm using the exact same technique DJBP is describing here; I just relate it to some other ULTRA significant memory of a person/sensory experience in my life (usually said memory is on one end of negative or positive extremes. I.E. it's somatically burned into my memory~I only remember what I just did with my keys if I set them by the stove because I grazed the FRIKN grill & got burnt... I have VIVID memories of being on someone's shoulders... On the way to the State Fair, when I was 3.. What cookies I ate this one time when I was 2... And many, many more. Oh I'm 42 y.o. btw..). Side note: They have no idea how many people's birthdays I *don't* know/remember 🤣 Another side note: I respect/love that Shan "gets" (& clearly appreciates-at least publicly...?) Dave's sense of humor. Priceless.

[@mrbullmrbull]

That's why I can't remember my mom's phone number. MASCULINE Ni!

[@anival9576]

Try... I don't know my own phone number.

[@mingjunli2862]

😂

[@13letras]

My intuitive mind refuses to retain any kind of detail or sequence. Details and sequences are stored in working memory only for as long as necessary for me to UNDERSTAND what it is about. As soon as I understand something, it will fit into a previously existing theory or I create a new theory to fit it into. And what I keep are not images, but ideas and concepts labeled with words When I need to remember something I first need to understand what concept it is in order to search for the correct bin where the information is. It turns out that this information is completely abstract, devoid of details. And what's worse, this information is RECREATED at the moment when I was supposed to be "collecting" it intact from the bin I am incapable of making an ipsis literis quote or of telling the same story twice. Each time I recreate the information based on the theory or concept to which it belongs

[@CH-tv1cy]

Peterson is perfectly describing Ne/Ti

[@soapmaker2263]

Ni dom here. I use a picture timeline of world history in my mind that stretches from the modern day back to the neolithic. I tried to draw a picture of it once. It's broken down into decades stacked on top of eachother, like calendar weeks, then centuries stacked on top of eachother, like calendar months. When I access this long picture, I jump to whatever century, like opening a file cabinet and flipping through the files. Then the individual papers within the files are like separate historical years. Always thought I was weird.

[@2sunalibar]

Sometimes when I think and walk inside a room, I tend to forget what I was thinking about after I turn around. And then turn around and remember it some how. So I think that I need to tidy my room to remember things-INTP

[@wandering248]

Peterson is describing Ni/Ti instead of "masculine Ne" here. He's an INFJ, like Derren Brown, which is why you see similarities between them. That broad framework and putting things into their place (Bill Gates) is Ti!

[@monsammy]

Everything is connected! That is my N!

[@Blaizyr]

I'm not sure what these terms mean, but I very well know about the visual, and geometrical framework for imagination and memory. The very interesting aspect is how conceptualization is about the localization of data in relative space, and meaning comes from distinctions, that is differences in position. Facts without reference to theory aren't relevant and mean nothing. (Even if we accept to think facts without theoretical background at all)

[@PhotoRubio]

For YEARS now I thought I was defective; have an epic conversation with me and then ask me about it later... I'll remember the premise of it. Ask me something specific and I'll draw a blank. I'll ask, "Where were we going and in what direction were we heading". That will unlock the WHOLE conversation in visceral detail.

[@Veronica-mr9gk]

You guys are adorable

[@anastasiasoskovets9489]

Wow this was very helpful and informative!!! Thank you for making the videos! I have a question: how does feminine Se demon differ from masculine Se demon? Also how to remember things better if you Se is in the demon state?! I feel like I have memory span of a goldfish 😒

[@handreieiacasa]

I ll tell you something, the one who created this technique was a roman lawyer and politician named Cicero, he was probably the best lawyer of antiquity and one of the greatest minds ever existed, considering what theory he built more than 2000 years ago. This technique was called "loci", which means "places"

[@tomryan9827]

The physical-abstract organization you’re talking about sounds a lot like use of EEG region P3, where mathematical calculations are worked out using parts of your brain ordinarily dedicated to physical motion, because the information is represented along a physical grid, similar to how a two dimensional array represents pixels on a screen. Except more for abstraction than calculation.