Mass Effect 3 - Jokers Sister Side Story

This is a interesting find from Huerta Hospital. Though it has not been confirmed that it was Jokers sister.
Link to the Wiki: masseffect.wiki...
A few weeks before the battle on Thessia, the Reapers hit the colony of Tiptree, where Joker's father and sister are located. Liara later informs Jeff that her Shadow Broker network has news on refugee ships from Tiptree landing on Salarian territory. Even though the reports don't come with names and claim that the refugees consist "mostly of children", Joker clings to the hope that at least his sister Hilary, being only fifteen, is among them. Liara supports him in this belief, claiming that "right now, he needs to take all the hope he can get". However, it is hinted by a member of asari Commandos on the Citadel that Joker's sister is in fact among the dead, as the asari mentions "having to shoot a farm girl on Tiptree" to prevent banshees from discovering the group. She recalls the girl "wanted to be a pilot when she grows up. Her name was Hilary."

[@smartplug6073]

what a nice room to have private conversation

[@darkestfugue]

lmao

[@isimplyam8605]

Reaper invasion probably made them liberate a lot of rooms for critical patiens only.

[@caleblancaster538]

trauma counseling sometimes happens in public spaces, depending on what the trauma is from. Sometimes it makes the client more comfortable, or it helps them get used to feeling safe around people. Those are kind of opposite scenarios, but both are irl things

[@kourage_wolf8442]

@@caleblancaster538 Thank you, I wouldn't have said it better myself.

[@SHADOWofJUSTiCE]

i know they're games. however, people not noticing an eavesdropper always makes me laugh... hard...

[@Fenris86]

This and the scene with the girl waiting for her parents, who are most probably dead made me incredibly sad.

[@ncrvako]

SimonVau I don't remember that one.

[@DemonofTorment]

the girl waiting for her parents can be found the the area where the makeshift housing is in the other docking bay. she will occasionally walk up to the Turian at the desk and ask if he's heard anything. They have a few conversations and it doesn't take the Turian long to realize her Parents probably aren't coming. it is rather sad. :(

[@ncrvako]

DemonofTorment shame.

[@davidyaconis7002]

And to top it off, she probably died when the Reapers took over the Citadel.

[@ephemispriest8069]

@@DemonofTorment I pity the fool that messes with that poor girl around that Turian.

[@GenericUsername-qp1ww]

asari: "and no humans" Shepard: "am I invisible or something?"

[@sirbruno95]

Matt Allen I was actually playing as an infiltrator, so that's a possibility.

[@TheNerdyOne]

"War is an atrocity committed in the name of survival." -- Javik

[@JohnnyK142]

Amen.

[@kurenwirsun2478]

That was such a powerful statement

[@frzferdinand72]

"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer."

[@ringowunderlich2241]

@frzferdinand72: That is not a powerful statement. It is a cynical one. Fortunately dialogues with Garrus offer a different pov. The silence is no answer. It is a state due to a philosophical question, that is not answered shortly and ad hoc.

[@TheFoxHound626]

Ringo Wunderlich actually it is if you consider the history of wars

[@Rohnon]

Crushing that the evidence points to jokers sister and we know that game designers usually don't create those little things as an coincidense, but rather to reward the observant player... ME3 feels overload, I tell you

[@XxBlackWarri0rxX]

Sadly, she actually is joker´s sister, if you search on the wiki it says "Writer Patrick Weekes revealed in a Twitter conversation that the Hilary Aeian killed was in fact Joker's younger sister. This is also hinted at in-game, as Joker will mention at one point that he is from Tiptree and he has a little sister named Hilary."

[@AJZulu]

exactly.

[@CTE-6000EagleVeryHeavyFighter]

And look at Andromeda. It's a joke.

[@MajesticJoey]

@@CTE-6000EagleVeryHeavyFighter nope

[@Argorok87]

I never realised the connection until I found this video. I'd listened to this conversation in-game before and I'd heard Joker talking about his sister on the Normandy, but I'd never made the connection until just now. Holy shit.

[@johnmoore3013]

Isn't joker's sister alive tho

[@Crimsonlee2XX]

Nope. Asari commando here pretty much said she snapped her neck cause she wouldn't be quiet cause of her wound.

[@tenjenk]

smothering seems more likely

[@Crimsonlee2XX]

tenjek or that to.

[@Brindale]

One of the devs confirmed that the asari is talking about Joker's sister in a tweet iirc

[@pendrake40]

1. (0:16) *_"And no humans. Wherever you transfer me, it shouldn't have humans."_** ~* An sad, subtle, but very important, insight to Aeian T'Goni (the PTSD soldier), besides her fear to bathe (shower) and wanting a gun..? - a.) The reason Aeian does not want to be around any humans is *NOT* because she is afraid *_"of"_* humans, but rather Aeian is afraid *_>FOR

[@GodOfWar221]

“War is atrocity committed in the name of survival” -Javik. Trust me, the first time I made the connection between Joker’s sister, and this Asari Commando, it literally sent chills down my spine. Makes you wonder, if Joker ever found out the fate of her sister.

[@pendrake40]

@@GodOfWar221 ~ Joker probably did find out, eventually; most likely after the war was over and a full assessment losses was accounted. This, among many other reasons, was why when the time came, I chose the Red-Destroy option to end the threat of The Reapers. Anything less (Blue-Control or Green-Synthesis) either risked all of this horror repeating again (& again, & again, & again...), or rendering all the death and sacrifice for nothing.

[@GodOfWar221]

@@pendrake40 That’s why I chose the destroy ending too. After all, wasn’t that what we set out to do in the first place? Stop the Reapers? I didn’t wanna risk the war ever happening again, or the sacrifices of all those people to mean nothing.

[@pendrake40]

@@GodOfWar221 ~ Agreed. For my own Point-of-View reasoning... 1. *_Blue Control choice_** ~* To take control of The Reapers, but Shepard losing his/her Humanity to do so, risks the Reaper Harvest Cycle beginning again at some far-future point. Additionally, choosing the Blue Control option means proving the Illusive Man "right," and that all the utterly horrific things that The Illusive Man and Cerberus did would be vindicated. *_NEVER_* vindicate someone like the Illusive Man. *_Ever._* 2. *_Green Synthesis choice_** ~* This also was not a good long-term solution. Despite ending the Reaper War and bringing relative peace and harmony between organics and machines, it could never truly last. Eventually, organic life would (independently) re-emerge on its own, as it always does (As Dr. Ian Malcom famously said, _"Life finds a way.")._ This means such a gap between the Synthesis beings and organic beings would inevitably result in a new version of The Harvest (probably forcing new organics to Synthesize). 3. *_Red Destroy choice_** ~* So yes, as both harsh and also sad as it was to do so, the Red Destroy choice was really the only viable and moral choice to make. The only definitive way to end the cycling threat of The Reapers and The Harvest, was to *_>end

[@MwRYum]

It wasn't because she was anti-human, but her field experience gave her full-blown PTSD and survivor guilt. The part that she worried about her eyes was...well, we do know the Banshee variant of the Husk is make from Asari with Ardat-Yakshi conditions, but since this side story is around the onset of the galetic war, the intel on husks are limited as at that time, Husks are more commonly known made from humans.

[@jeremyf6821]

Part of me wishes I hadn't seen this. I feel so sorry for Joker.

[@RaxuRangerkingsChannel]

Moral Of The Story: Don't take showers.

[@skazwolfman8622]

+RaxuRangerking At least not in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse.

[@veihijackzdah792]

+RaxuRangerking Shower fully armed and fully armored ;)

[@Aurik-Kal-Durin]

Dude, I haven't showered in five years! No damn Reaper is going to catch me with my pants down! Though I think I've also lost my sense of smell...

[@shadowfox8748]

Legend says that’s all these years later and that asari still hasn’t got that gun...or showered again

[@alearnedman]

I think there are stories of how Miyamoto Musashi never took a bath, because he never wanted to make himself vulnerable.

[@SMAXZO]

Joker's sister must be pretty awesome what with killing Husks with a stick and all.

[@Vating4498]

Lets give her an omniblade now and then we have nothing to fear! :D

[@SMAXZO]

Vating Hell, give her a Typhoon, a Black Widow and a Cain and the war's already won.

[@Vating4498]

SMAXZO So true.

[@jassjake5137]

We need to revive her from the dead though.

[@SMAXZO]

Jass Jake Well...There's always room for another Project Lazarus,

[@Rikalonius]

The actress does a pretty good job of portraying something as close as anyone could understand to the aftermath of living through such an event. Having your former comrades turned into half-machine zombie slaves of eldritch horrors. It is all very Lovecraft-ian, but our brains could never contemplate that kind of horror. Her survivors grief is almost palatable in this scene, which could have been so much more dramatic if it had been from a cut-scene POV and not sanitized by just overhearing it. Still creepy.

[@MarchingGrrl]

+Jonas Wichmann And Bianca from Dragon Age Inquisition

[@MarchingGrrl]

:) Ihren Verlust dann

[@afanofcanta5357]

+MarchingGrrl nein nein nein!!

[@MillyDel]

+Jonas Wichmann I think she is also Oriana Lawson

[@MillyDel]

you can also feel her uncertainty. how she's not sure if she's still her and not indoctrinated. her horror at how much she liked tearing those humans apart. Laura Bailey is so good

[@olefredrikskjegstad5972]

"Neaira was another huntress on your ship?" "Yeah, a friend. I wanted to be more than that but she had a... medical condition" "It's okay, it's in the file" Considering that there's only one "medical condition" we know of among the Asari that might make sexual relationships dangerous... that's got to be one hell of a self-disciplined Ardat-Yakshi.

[@K07HeSc]

I'm pretty sure Morinth was a special case. She's stated to have been completely addicted to seducing others and then murdering them. From what I could tell, all Ardat-Yakshi get stronger after the mind-meld, but not all of them are as psycopathic as Morinth.

[@RaxuRangerkingsChannel]

+Pyro Gear I noticed that too. Also, aren't Asari X Asari relations considered taboo in their culture, as it might produce an Ardat Yakshi? If this friend of hers was so open about her condition, why wasn't she in a monastery like the rest? Falere, for example, wasn't a murderous AY and she was still locked up.

[@thekaboominator1]

+RaxuRangerking Not taboo, just looked down on. It's possible, if she was an AY, that she'd been in the Monastery for a long time and deemed enough in control to join the battle - after all, times are desperate.

[@Rohnon]

+Pyro Gear as far as I know all asari reaper troops are Ardat-Yakshi?

[@olefredrikskjegstad5972]

Blood Pill The lore around Ardat-Yakshi got a massive retcon between ME 2 and 3. Samara told us that her three children were the only Ardat-Yakshi in existence currently, and she's not the type to tell lies. Then in ME3, we have that Ardat-Yakshi monastery, which pretty clearly establishes that it had what amounts to a full-on student body of Ardat-Yakshi living there full time. Anyway, yes. The Codex mentions that Banshees are made from Asari with "latent or active predispositions" to becoming Ardat-Yakshi.

[@AdrianGell]

There is another related conversation on the Presidium I believe. Human doctor comments that she was initially assigned to help this Asari, but it didn't go well because she (the doctor) looked too similar to (Hillary). Wouldn't have even noticed any of this if I hadn't watched this just before replaying ME3. Thanks for posting this!

[@bryankloos8075]

If she used the missle glitch she could've saved everyone.

[@IvanVassiljevitsch]

LOL you have a really dark sense of humour to pull this off in this comment section, seeing all the other comments are either mourning hillary's death or complain about not being able to tell joker the truth. props

[@DaireBulson]

Well, Joker did conversely joke about the loss of Thessia and the fall of the Asari, so...

[@christiaanblom3685]

Bryan Kloos Missile glitch???? Whats that????

[@Miloshmkd]

+Christiaan Blom Glich in MP which allows you to slaughter anything.

[@Jeffemcd08]

+Christiaan Blom multiplayer glitch missiles launcher is an instakill on all bosses but there's a glitch which allows you to have unlimited missiles you only usually carry 4 or 5

[@MrTwhispers]

I wonder if Joker ever found out and how he handled it...

[@MattDoesLife539]

He would be angry at liara

[@Rert]

Why would he be angry at Liara she had nothing to do with it.

[@iffin3786]

because Liara is the shadowbroker she probably knew it and said nothing to Joker all along.

[@looinrims]

Iffin Ackerman the shadow broker isn't all knowing, and liara is definitely not on par with "shadow brokering" like the old broker was I'm sure she wouldn't give a rats ass about some huntress on a human colony compared to the reaper war And even though it was Tiptree and joker asked for stuff about it I don't think she would look to hard at that report (if there even was one) versus the colony's evacuation

[@ayyylmao101]

THAT NEEDS TO BE A FANFIC

[@SolarMidnight007]

Damn, that's messed up. poor little girl.

[@blackbloodsunrise]

if you go to the presidium commons you can listen to her human nurs talking about taking care of the PTSD Soldier

[@Metaphist]

Stark has gone to shit since you left, April.

[@blackbloodsunrise]

A Cat Thats Zoes problem now

[@rudyspeaks3513]

@@blackbloodsunrise What the fuck happened between you two

[@-leezha-]

@@rudyspeaks3513 lmao

[@Spec0pleader]

Stupid how you can't have the option to inform Joker

[@allenwalker7653]

Do u really think it would be a good idea to tell him about his last family dying a horrific death like this? "Ignorance is bliss"

[@allenwalker7653]

Do u really think it would be a good idea to tell him about his last family dying a horrific death like this? "Ignorance is bliss"

[@Spec0pleader]

Yup, helps the story line, gives him the closure. And doesn't have to be Shep informing Joker directly, he could inform command who lets Joker know

[@DaHuntsman1]

Spec0pleader There is a certain bit of thinking that goes into it, i admit the proper thing would have been to inform him of his sisters death, so he could get closure, but then you have to think about it from the other perspective, because then he'll be in grief and since he is the pilot of the ship, you want him functioning at the top of his level. Whereas if you dont tell him, you could lie to him and encourage him to work harder, that the sooner we destroy the reapers the sooner we can go look for your sister, that kind of shit. Overall its a moral quagmire, and in the end it comes down to what you think will work better for your goals.

[@Spec0pleader]

DaHuntsman1 True but in the military you think they wouldn't inform the soldiers what happened to a relative of theirs? And Im sure he'd have enough trust in Joker to keep hsi head straight

[@TheUnknown285]

Something I didn't realize until way later than I should have: She broke her leg. She has brittle bone disease, too.

[@thekaboominator1]

Most likely not. If she did, she wouldn't have been able to run fast enough to escape the first time, nor would she be up to killing husks with a stick.

[@IvanVassiljevitsch]

thekaboominator1 that is not entirely true, she could have a milder case of the disease. Nonetheless i would agree that she probably does not have brittle bone disease.

[@FalconWindblader]

+Ivan you ever seen or heard any vrolik's syndrome sufferers doing hard labor? cuz mind you, farm work is hard labor.

[@kasperansbachhawser]

So not only does Joker's sister die, but EDI also dies by my choice at the end. Man, I feel bad he got so screwed over at the end.

[@MillyDel]

that's why I chose synthesis. edi deserves humanity.

[@FalconWindblader]

I was about to kill off the reapers at first. but then, all synthetics will die alongside them. so yeah, fuck it, i'll just go turn everyone into cyborgs.

[@leomartinez9764]

Why? Reapers geth edi are all the same. Tools and nothing more. Convince yourself if you wish but there all AI all robotic all fake. I killed no one when i destroyed the reapers, they were never alive to begin with.

[@FalconWindblader]

Leo Martinez Sorry but i dont subscribe to the concept of alive=organic. so long as they're self-aware, they're sapient & thus they're alive to me. hell, i've far less problem killing ants than killing geth, as ants aint sapient despite being organic.

[@laughingjack85]

Mara Dulog The problem I have with it is that you are taking the choice away from everybody and doing exactly what the Reapers want. What happens if millions or even billions didn't want that. Now they have to live with it the rest of their lives because you thought what was best for everybody. That to me takes away free will and a person's civil rights. At least everybody in the universe can agree on destroy just wish they hadn't screwed over the best ending. How hard is it to destroy the Reapers without hurting your allies.

[@legendarycupcake]

There's a quote from Shepard in the first ME game: "Asari live for a thousand years, we're lucky if we hit 150."

[@cyanimation1605]

you know you're f'd up when your therapist is like "yeah I'd kms too"

[@annabovee121]

Damn, In the first 2 games I was like could Joker really have it worse? They did a great job at doing just that......

[@johncisney15]

When I first passed by and heard her talk about how she wanted no humans where she went, my automatic reaction was "You racist bitch" and I wanted to shoot her. But then the next couple times I passed by, I heard the rest of the story and when I understood the reason why she said what she said I cried and wanted to hug her. :'(

[@TheNerdyOne]

There's another bit in the mall area where one of the nurses is talking to her coworker. The nurse says that the asari freaks out everytime she sees her because apparently she looks just like Hillary.

[@shadowscall7758]

Thats a good reason to not judge right away and listen to your knee-jerk reactions to things. Unfortunately, knee-jerk reactions are all the rage in todays world and people don't really listen after that.

[@GodOfWar221]

@@shadowscall7758 This, and other small stories like it. Such as the nurse on the Presidium, or on Earth where you overhear an Alliance soldier giving comfort to a civilian on the radio. Whom despite her best efforts to save a wounded soldier, he ends up bleeding out. And she ultimately ends up taking her own life, when she’s about to be taken by the Reaper forces.

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

If your first knee jerk reaction to someone saying something racist is pulling a gun out and murdering them there's something wrong with you.

[@readyforlol]

@@PhthaloGreenskin Chill, it's a video game. Also Renegade Shep does many times worse in this game. Also also, the comment is literally 5 years old.

[@taluztk.1006]

I never made the connection! (even though I heard the story of the huntress several times) God! That makes me sad and admirative at the same time.

[@gundamnmechas8518]

It's been two years since I got Mass Effect 3. As much as I play it, I just now discovered this. I kinda wish I didn't; it's just too sad...

[@jeppenano]

I'll never shower again... :'(

[@glue6143]

huh..

[@hawkwood9257]

LIAR

[@TheUnknown285]

Apparently, not all ardat-yakshi are required to live in the monastery for life, just those with severe cases and/or those who show little or no self-control and concern for others.

[@foreverjune8]

Psych consultant: "Im sorry, you cant have a gun." *After the story* Psych consultant: "I'll see what I can do and... maybe I should get a gun too."

[@pokafied]

The wierd part is that you can after you hear this story sequence you can give the asari the gun in specter quarters

[@theepicspy570]

9 years late but does anything come out of it? Does she end up shooting herself or someone during an episode perhaps? Or something hopefully and preferably less dark...

[@TheNozdurmo]

@@theepicspy570 She ends up using it to commit suicide, and there's a small reduction in War Assets because the hospital staff are demoralized :/

[@theepicspy570]

@@TheNozdurmo oh... Rip... Thanks for the reply.

[@ingamingpc1634]

joker needed to know his sister was killed that would be a killer fucked up scene

[@Infinit3Enigma]

I understand why the huntress did what she had to do, I feel like if my primitive survival senses kicked in, i would have done the same thing but damn I feel so sorry for Hillery, and....Jeff :'( And curious, would a stasis field be noisy enough for the reapers to know they were hiding, i mean a powerful huntress could lock the girl into a stasis field until the search team left, and given that the stasis field is strong enough to stop any biological processes, the infection of the girls legs would be delayed until the rescue no? And damn i do hope it wasn't jeff's sister, i would be pissed if it was. And wait in the cg trailer with the blonde girl running around with a toy ship in the fields, was that jeff's sister?

[@karlyr259]

Doubtful. She said the farm girl was 15. Also, when your adrenaline is rushing and you're in a life or death situation, you do the first thing that comes to mind. Had there been more time, maybe she would have been thinking clearer. But unfortunately she saw the banshee when it was on the opposite side of the wall

[@Infinit3Enigma]

Karly R. True enough, would of been cool if that was the case.

[@johnmoore3013]

still tho she could've just covered the girl's mouth so she wasn't making any noise

[@tothethreshold.9965]

No, dude. No, broken my leg badly after a hard MX crash. There is no keeping someone injured like that quiet without some hellish strong pain meds or sedation.

[@Infinit3Enigma]

ratbike rider I fractured an ankle last year. the pain was so sureal ! idk I was more in shock then pain. still a bad fucking experience !

[@JetFuueled]

When you finally connect what happened, it's very heart breaking.. Only makes me wonder how Joker would react if he ever found out or you were able to tell him.

[@bustapunk101]

Well now I feel hella sad

[@JinX_11199]

Was that a Life is Strange reference?

[@quarkyquasar893]

+awesomekid120 lol, seems like it

[@xoIAmNoonaxo]

Started replaying this series recently... Totally forgot this was about Joker's sister... dayyum :'(

[@every1hasnames]

I know it sounds cold hearted but that's part of the reason why when you hear stories about people saving someone in a life or death situation are so profound and heroic. Because the ordinary person disregards their own safety and says im willing to possibly die without hesitation to try and save them.

[@totem91]

Damn, Vex has been through some sh*t...

Sounds like Laura Bailey, but is it?

[@DavidCruickshank]

@ yep

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

@ Laura Bailey is like the female Nolan North. She's in everything.

[@Willy2537]

Okay, I've read the other comments regarding whether or not the 'Hilary' killed is actually Joker's sister, with many comments saying that yeah, a writer confirmed that it's really her. However, there's something that doesn't add up in-game wise. This conversation between the PTSD soldier and the doctor can be heard as early as the first time you visited the Citadel (just after the Mars mission), way before the Thessia mission and even the Cerberus's Citadel assault. Taking this into account, the timeline doesn't add up. From what Joker said, the Reapers attacked Tiptree about two weeks before the Thessia mission, itself already late into the war, which in turn makes this conversation questionable. I know I shouldn't be taking this seriously, but however unlikely it is, it isn't improbable that Tiptree was actually attacked twice during the in-game timeline, and there are actually two 15 years old girls who are both coincidentally named Hilary, and that one unfortunate Hilary was killed when Tiptree was invaded by Reaper forces the FIRST time early in the war, while another Hilary who's Joker's sister was rescued off-world safely when the colony was attacked again (or in the other part of the colony). It's a silly thing to hope for, especially when an official writer confirmed what really happened, but still, like Liara said "take any kind of hope you can get". Besides, you can go a whole playthrough never noticing or deliberately avoiding this conversation. You can pretend that this whole thing never happened and imagine that Joker reunites with his sister at the end of the war. People tend to deny ME3's endings and make up their own versions, after all.

[@looinrims]

Everyone talked about the connection to joker but do you hear the actual story? That shit is brutal, that would fuck most people up, including me if I ever had to do that

[@Khenfu_Cake]

But it´s important to remember that she (T´Goni) was able to deliver valuable information which eventually saved countless of other people´s lives. So, really; should a soldier do everything to save one single person or rather doom said person in order to save many more lives??

[@lucasmartinez5703]

That one person's life is still important to them. They only have one of those. I always hated being asked that question.

[@mrt094]

I have over 100 hundred hours in multiple playthroughs on ME2 and I've never made the connection either. Just shows you the depth bioware had in the game. Makes me even more hype for Andromeda.

[@gabrieldavis4434]

This comment didn’t age well.

[@Drako2k0]

And a book is a book and a movie is a movie. A good story draws you in, you feel connected with the characters and you care about their fates, and feel their losses. There's nothing shameful about becoming emotionally invested into a story.

[@Ssekkaha]

wow, just wow, truly great writing and a intresting look into ptsd

[@3AHoles]

I've played the game dozens of times, listened to hundreds of side conversations. I've never heard this one. This game has so many hidden gems.

[@allenwalker7653]

Wow i never saw this in the game but this was deep. I glad joker never saw this too.

[@Admiralkirk95]

Mass effect 3 reportedly got the last of its development fast tracked so they could make a holiday release(ssemed to mostly effect the ending), and yet the game is still filled to the brim with characters, stories and details that I still don't know about. I mean recently I realized while playing the legendary edition that the asari on illium with boyfriend troubles, largely over whether he really loves her or just wants a kid to overcome the genophage, eventually ends up on the citadel in the third game, you can find her boyfriend, Charr's body in the rachni mission and deliver his final message to her where he implies through poetry(Which he had also been reciting to get her to come back to him on illium) hints that he wanted to live his life with her on tuchanka and take care of their daughter, the final line implying she was already pregnant.

[@PonzooonTheGreat]

"doctor-patient confidentiality"

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

3:47 PTSD Solider: She was with me. Even killed a few husk. With a Stick. Confirmed that this is Joker's sister, he has been telling her about Garrus obviously.

[@tr4il98]

Before ya'll say anything about the asari killing hilary, Play ME2, And watch how it really feels like to be turned into a reaper :)

[@OpTiKiL]

This was seriously... it added an element of depth that was, difficult to process, but in line with the story as a whole. Made entrenchment into the universe much more plausible. Feel bad for Joker tho.

[@Hoppa456]

Medical condition???? Ardat Yakshi fought against the reapers I thought they either died or lived isolated

[@codyvandal2860]

I'm guessing she hid her condition from the Asari government. Many of them probably do, only the ones self-reported are sheltered in monasteries

[@Mortablunt]

@@codyvandal2860 That seems likely. I mean they don't have mandatory surveiled introductory sexual experiences to test for it. Unless....... fanfiction writers, get on it!

[@seantomlinson3320]

The end of it is still a mess but it's these special, powerful, moments that make ME3 my favorite in the series. Wow.

[@chaoticreaper0575]

wait she was talking about jokers sister???

[@MRluminosity554]

you never really find out but joker says his sister is only 15 her names hillary and he lives on a farm so kinda just an educated guess

[@chaoticreaper0575]

I guess its one of those mysteries of the game such as wheres the real ending to mass effect three lol XD

[@MRluminosity554]

true shit lol i remember watching an interview when they talked about the "wildly different endings" . it made me laugh

[@chaoticreaper0575]

the only bullshit u get to pick is what color to blow up the galaxy

[@MRluminosity554]

guess they were all like oooooh preeettty coollloorrrs

[@brownj00]

Yeah, good catch. Hilary on colony Triptree. Seems like a match. I was riveted by this conversation and the (unrelated) orhpan teen on the docks- girl waiting for her parents, but did not notice this. These are the kinds of situations that add the depth and complexity to the environment.

[@kdamann01]

is it me or does she sound like serana from skyrim?

[@thedutchwolf97]

That's because it's the same voice actress ;) She also voices Kira Carsen in Star Wars: The Old Republic. Also a Bioware game.

[@Nickallsopp92]

You bet. It's Laura Bailey, she also voices Oriana. Serana from Skyrim, Rayne from Bloodrayne, Helena in Resident 6, and several smaller roles in ME3 and Fallout New Vegas.

[@PianoCatRose]

Nickallsopp92 wait wait- as in the laura bailey who also voices in anime like maka in soul eater and tohru in fruits basket?!

[@Nickallsopp92]

***** Yes ma'am. The very same. Look her up on Wikipedia, and you'll get a full filmography of every film, cartoon, anime, and video game she's ever been part of.

[@PianoCatRose]

:O dayum thats so cool I didnt even know thanks :)

[@Drako2k0]

Just want to say, I read your story. You are absolutely right. It's easy to talk tough, but those who talk tough most of the time have no idea what it's like to be put in such a situation. Personally, I don't know what I would do in that situation, I don't even want to think about it, I can understand why the Asari Commando has PTSD.

[@calloftreyarch]

but the connection is still there. and obviously bioware deliberately put this in for a reason

[@Shearper2]

games like mass effect 1, 2, and 3 are sometimes so big, that little things like this slip through most people's radar and go unheard for years regardless of playthrough times

[@davidleung5297]

If only there was a side mission where Joker confronts the PTSD soldier...

[@alanilaufeydottir3990]

Or one where you tell joker the bad news...

[@Vating4498]

Or one to go to Tiptree to evacuate civilians as well, maybe you save the commando, fight a few hundred husks and marauders, find that soldier with Hillary, kill the banshee, kill more husks, have a 5 minute wait for evac with lots and lots of husks and marauders, and there ya go, a mission to help Joker's sister live! :D

[@laurenevers8644]

Vating If only T.T but I think the reason this is here is so that the player can feel like they are going through the horror of war without actually having to go through it all...war is a hideous thing.

[@Vating4498]

lauren evers That is a very good point.

[@laurenevers8644]

Vating Thank you :)

[@jasonfrancese8359]

Laura Bailey really do be flexing those acting muscles. God, I love all the tiny roles voice actors give their a-game to. Helps the world feel familiar.

[@calloftreyarch]

who knows

[@mrbigsauce9984]

Morale of the story: Never get caught lacking

[@blacksuite1]

A rule to live by.

[@rayl2085]

That PTSD asari is....good looking O_O

[@shellsmith831]

Wow I never had the patience to listen to this all the way through. Thanks!

[@TsunTzu]

Prime example of what not to do with writing for a game. :/ "Tell, don't show." The game really, really could have done with another year or two of development time...

[@yodacasper]

Its just ambient background chatter, one of many. The game does a brilliant job of showing, this little background story is just meant to add depth to the background chatter of the citadel.

[@TsunTzu]

yodacasper Well, see, that's kind of the problem with it. ME3 and DA2 both switched to this style of background ancillary exposition that, in their predecessors, was a lot more fleshed out and not spoon-fed in such a manner as this. It's a byproduct of the development time being halved for both titles. For instance, the side quests without accompanying direct dialogue/story; it's a shortcut method of padding out game time. Consider the difference in side quests from ME1 and ME2 to ME3. There was stuff similar to this in the previous games, to be sure, but they rely on this style a lot more heavily to deliver "important" plot points, which I would argue that this revelation is, since it fills in part of a side arc involving a primary character.

[@B6L6U6E]

Wow, that one little story hold so much impact. Thank you for putting it up here. It really shows what war is about. Yes it was terrible that she killed Hillary, but she was surviving, and sometimes terrible things have to be done in order to do that. Not saying it's right, just that it's survival. All I can hope for is that it was quick and clean. At least we know Hillary wasn't taken by the Reapers, since there are fates worse than death.

[@spectrestatus7110]

This is my first time seeing this, I never got the chance to experience it through my playthrough and this literally pisses me off, during one of the conversations between Liara and Joker on the Normandy, Liara mentions to Joker that Tiptree had managed to get evacuees and that "most of them were teens and children" leading you to believe that Joker's father was gone but his sister may have yet lived so that's what I'm thinking, now I see this and it just pisses me off the way that Hilary died. I don't know how Asari Commando's prioritize innocents but most soldiers protect the weak at any cost, this bitch killed Jokers sister to save her own life and the worse part is BioWare never gave us an option to at least tell him, here he is thinking his sister could be safe but turns out she got snuffed out by a coward, that really pisses me off..what makes it even worse is I chose the Destory ending so (SPOILERS) Joker loses his family and EDI, feel bad for him

[@johndoe86135]

The Asari made the right choice had she not done it the girl would've gave away their position and gotten them both killed. And soldiers don't protect the weak at all cost. They do their job at all cost to complete their mission. If their mission is to protect some people then ya they will but if it's something else and someone gets in their way then, they're going going to complete their mission no matter the cost.

[@spectrestatus7110]

johndoe86135 You're telling me that an Asari Commando, one of the most deadly armed forces in the galaxy couldn't find another way to silence a 15 year old girl? how about maybe knocking her out unconscious? or maybe gagging her mouth shut? no this stupid bitch panicked and decided to kill her so she could survive, she wan't thinking about the mission she was thinking about her self...the fact that Hilary was human and not Asari probably didn't help either

[@hopearchangel4624]

johnathon edwards John is right.The Asari was in a desperate situation and would have gotten killed had Hilary not stopped whimpering. Had there been time to find another solution, she might have tried another way, but there wasn't. She had to make a decision to choose between life or death and she chose life. You have to do what you have to do to survive. Not everyone is going to come out alive. Some of it may have been due to the fact that she wasn't an Asari, so she killed her to help herself, but not the main reason.

[@ElGringoCastellano]

It's terrible that she killed her, sure. She could have found a way to keep her quiet without killing her, if she had thought of something. It's not her fault that she didn't, though. The trauma she went through, the things she saw, and the position she was in all compromised her emotionally and rationally; she panicked and made the best choice she could think of, which happened to kill an innocent seemingly unnecessarily. This is why war is so tragic. Very few people are strong enough to endure all the horrors and still make the best and most moral choices possible. They aren't bad people; they're only human (or asari, in this particular case).

[@allenwalker7653]

I think its best for Joker not to know about this. And she is an asari not a human. Her only goal is too complete her mission.

[@vicsim04]

Bless you man, I played the game 4 times, but never was able to notice the connection between these two side stories.

[@Commander1991NOR]

This asari is a monster and if I had a choice my renengade shepard would break her neck.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

How is giving the girl a quick death and saving her from being melted down and turned into a Reaper, or turned into a husk make the asari a monster?

[@ZeroCanalX]

+Commander1991NOR You can give her a gun (Specter terminal) to kill herself, but she also takes the Hospital Morale.

[@RowanBuchananroabie]

To be fair... Hilary probably would have bled to death even if the situation played out differently. Her leg was broken and she was bleeding profusely. Not exactly something you can survive with when you have to constantly be moving.

[@Cycke86]

As I remember ME writer confirmed on Twitter that it was Jeff's sister.

[@dylanmilne6683]

It's daft that they made these conversations into snippets and didn't keep it as a monologue. It's so dumb to think that there can be weeks between some of the conversations which occur on the citadel. It's also tiresome when they repeat.

[@nikik5567]

Especially after u finish and authorize whatever it is. Like “ok u have what u want stop acting like u still have an issue”

[@duitk]

Dam poor joker sorry buddy

[@Cory_Dora]

I never stopped long enough to listen to this! Ive played this game dozens of times and never knew this! Awesome!

[@ag924]

This deserves the almost 20 likes you got. GOOD CATCH! I never noticed that

[@HiIeric117]

Don't think she wanted the gun to kill herself. It must be like a comfort thing. She constantly mentions not having her gun in the story so of course she feels vulnerable without one now.

[@PragmaticOptimist_N7]

The amount of lore, especially the 'hidden around a corner bits ' in this franchise just amazes me... When I played it 1st time I didn't connect this to Joker at all (!) I just thought 'this Huntress needs serious care w/o a real gun, she's been through so much 😯

[@falcore91]

I know ME3 had a lackluster ending but damn if it didn’t have a good story through most of it, or at least good stories within it. I had the advantage of knowing the ending itself would be lackluster and with that got to fully appreciate the conversations, missions, etc. Stories like this filled this world, gave a picture into the conflict. And frankly I found my “endings” in other arcs, in sense of triumph I shared after curing the Genophage at the relief at brokering peace between Geth and Quarian. The conclusion of these arcs after seeing them develop across two previous titles is what really made the game for me.

[@ftlgo238]

The Asari soldier mentioned Tiptree, Joker said that his family lived at Tiptree. Dad and sister. Joker refers to his sister by first name, Hilary, at least once at some point after Priority:Horizon or the N7 mission that reuses Firebase Dagger.

[@XelestialAurora]

This hurts to hear. I'd never heard the last two conversations. It hurts to hear because this is just one horror story out of millions in the face of war, fictional or otherwise.

[@Crimsonlee2XX]

After the fall of Thessia, Joker jokes about it and mentions The colony Tiptree and how it fell weeks ago and hasn't heard from his Dad or sister living there. Later thru auto dialog he also mentions that his sister's name is Hilary same name the asari mentioned in her story on Tiptree.

[@ftlgo238]

Her VA did a number of Asari voices in ME3. I believe she also voiced the doctor informing the Alliance soldier about the busted leg, the scientist obsessed with the Hesperia statue...*maybe* the Asari at the front desk of the Embassies talking about Neeota's daughter, but I don't think so.

[@MrKingatheist]

Interesting convo however one thing is missing. Apparently when the asari escaped her information saved many lives. So in my opinion you are correct IF it's a situation where you should try and protect someone even if you die in the process. However if the asari was 100% going to die to protect that girl, BUT the conserquence would be that the information she had (which would save a large number of lives) would be lost, I would say the lesser of two evils is to kill the girl.

[@red_cosplay]

I would gladly wait another year for ME3's release to have everything in the game up to this quality standard.

[@every1hasnames]

we were under the water for a minute before I wrestled him off me and got me head above water. Took a couple of breathes then went to get him got him above water then the current broke us apart and he went under and never came back up I couldn't find him again 1 decision led to a 20 minutes of struggling and searching for him after he went under for the last time. There was 20 bystanders just watching while I was the only one who jumped back in the water to help.

[@supermouse96]

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Soldiers usually come back with it. Have been cases where civies get it due to robberies, rapes, fire-fights, etc. It is theorized that children can get PTSD from playing video games like Battlefield and Modern Warfare (campaign) with loud, really loud, volume. Parents think I have it due to the fact I hear gun fights, explosions, and stuff like that since I play those games really really loud to make it a bit more realistic.

[@Zetapodius394]

there's also the "blue rose of illium" story. it also spans from me2 to me3.... damn that made me sad... D:

[@barraki92reborn]

Thank you for having a diverse opinion about my statement, I seemed to stir up quite a controversy with my own.

[@DANfan412]

You're right, and I agree it nice to come across someone who doesn't go on a caps lock rage. And I apologise for insulting you earlier.

[@Tryex818]

Joker also talks of his sister and dad who live on a farm on triptree. He ssaid his sister was 15 and the soilder said the farm girl wanter to be a pilot, maybe liker her brother.

[@FoxGamer39618]

Oh God. I was hoping that Joker's dad, and sister were survivors.

[@LeonGun8]

I think she does. I remember a certain scene where he asks her about it and she says she doesn't know after hesitating. So yeah, my best guess is that Hillary was murdered by an Asari in Combat High,who later commits suicide while in the hospital. That was actually pretty dark and unexpected when I tied the pieces.

[@TheUnknown285]

Without a doubt, one of the things Mass Effect 3 excels in is being an emotional powder keg. Not only do you have the huge moments like the fall of Earth or the deaths of certain characters, but you have little things like this or the human girl talking to the turian at the Docks.

[@sephiroth1018]

you make it sound so easy. This conversation is MUCH more realistic than you're little fantasy of what a warrior should be.

[@Jack.RB.93]

If I recall right, you get an e-mail at the end of that mission saying that quarian that died on Rannoch had a cousin who now looks after Jona. So now Jona is now being looked after their uncle.

[@rebel1717]

Good god. If Joker we’re to ever hear about this...I wonder if the developers secretly cut out Joker’s reaction to hearing the news, because they cared that much about him, and want to spare him a lot of pain.

[@Madman226]

I did think of that but the game makes it so real. It gets even worse when you get to the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery. In whole most of the Asari based mission were rough.

[@RagPen01]

i was just thinking of what Liara's dad said about humans "hanging around you for a couple of centuries".... that and i think i also read it in the codex back in ME1

[@bthsr7113]

This story, which I so foolishly ended with a rubber stamp, really highlights just how horrid this war is. And just how hard we'll have to fight.

[@specter3983]

When I heard this story and then hear joker say he had a sister on Tiptree I thought oh no that girl the asari killed was his sister

[@VIO__]

You can talk to Joker on the Normandy and eventually he'll talk about his family. He'll say they lived on a farm colony and specifically says his sisters name "Hilary." He hadn't heard if they made it off the colony safe.