Mass Effect 4 | Could Shepards Child be the NEW Main Character?

[@MrHulthen]

Shepard Junior - Yay or Nay? Also, check out my shirt lel btw here's my instagram: instagram.com/mrhulthen/

[@blazethemilitaryandtactica2852]

Yay And i don't have a favorite romantic interest in Mass Effect games

[@chrishan5340]

No blue suns or blood pack.

[@nerruhb]

If you are able to pick your race. Maybe being Shephard's child / descendant could be an starting choice when choosing Human or Asari. Like at the start of ME1 with war hero and earthborn. In that case you could also be a child of Wrex if you pick Krogan.

[@anvime739]

@@nerruhb You could be any species, Shep could have adopted :)

[@anvime739]

Big yay. but while I love your video (like all of them) I need to disagree with it a bit. The idea of Liara having a kid without Seps consent is terrible (a big nono indeed). But you forgot to consider adoption. Shepard can have a child that its not biologically hers/his. It would then allow every romance to be ok and it would allow the playable character to be any species. To have a turian kid with Garrus or a krogan with Liara or any combination possible (including for people who never romanced Shep, since they could adopt either way). I think that this is much more logical from a story telling point of view :)

[@H3lios227]

But Shepard already had a kid, his name was Grunt

[@youeatcerealwithafork]

Grunt needs a little sister or brother.

[@Tuezday1388]

Now Grunt will have to be in the game and allude to this as an Easter egg.

[@averywhitaker3513]

I really hope that grunt account sees this

[@miranolastname2366]

Lmao!!! Very true! Also if you romance Garrus, he said something about having baby but Shep said they better of just adopt one in which Garrus he reply there will be many krogan they can adopt (i dont remember the exact line). I immediately think they already have: it's Grunt 😂😂😂

[@kingket4]

adopted child

[@aleatorioaquelefadetoku862]

I think the "Shepard's Child" would work like a DLC Character, not a main plot thing, like Clone Shepard from the Citadel DLC

[@BVBloom]

Or Morrigan's son, Kieran, in Dragon Age Inquisition...I like that idea!

[@seanbussing8316]

I doubt even that. Everyone knows they wrote the romance between Liara and Shepard to be more fleshed out and any person could make the argument that that's "canon" for lack of a better term, but they know a huge huge number of people didn't like that romance over tali, garrus, thane, etc. It'd make people angry and as a business hanging by a thread that's the last thing they want

[@Pir-o]

@@seanbussing8316 what if she did it without romancing him? She was in his head, what if she used that to make Shepards kid since you know, its sheprad, savior of the universe. But yeah, I do agree. I don't really like this theory. Id rather see frozen Shepard or his clone rather then blue shepard

[@Cool95951]

SPOILER ALERT !!!

[@seanbussing8316]

@@Pir-o it's possible, technically. I know a lot of people have the belief that she impregnated herself with his (or her) kid. But think about the implications about that, both in 2013 (I'm thinking that's when ME3 was released) and now. Back in 2013, that could've been just a piece for the story to continue somewhere down the line. At some point, possibly make an asari companion that was shepards daughter or something. But nowadays, with social climate we have in America, there's a very, very real chance bioware wouldn't commit to that theory for fear of being blasted for a woman unknowingly impregnating herself with someone's kid. Now, this is a video game, yes, and that would kind of be a silly thing to get upset over, but the fact remains that in the wake of major sexual harassment scandals throughout the mainstream media, Hollywood, the gaming industry, etc that bioware would not want to risk coming across as supporting that sort of thing. Bioware is pretty well viewed as a left leaning company with the way they write characters and the people they hire, so I don't see a way they could justify implementing that narrative that Liara secretly (or not so secretly) impregnated herself with a man or woman who didn't know/want. Again, I think it's silly, but I could see people going so far as to equate that to the R word in a sense. That's just my two cents though, I have no reason to have people listen to me anymore than anybody else

[@BlackHedgehog]

Liara: I have a gift for you, if you'll accept it. Shepard: I'd love to accept it. Liara: SURPISE, I'M PREGNANT Me, a TaliShepard man: CONFUSION.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

As a AshleyShepard man, I’m also very confused

[@georgehouliaras7239]

Blasphemy! The true and totally real romance is Harbinger.

[@MrHulthen]

YOU WILL TAKE PLEASURE FROM THIS, SHEPARD

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

well he likes to "assume control" so he is probably a top.

[@ingydegmar2060]

If I must tear you apart Shepard, I will.

[@moistbig234]

@@MrHulthen 🤣🤣

[@andrews.5212]

"i know you feel this" xD

[@oelacs]

I hope they don't do this. All i want is to be able to go to Rannoch, and out there, at the shore of a lake, in a small house, you can see Shepard and Tali sitting watching the sun go down together. Or going to Illium, and out from a shop comes a small asari child running screaming the reapers are going to get her, out from the shop Shepard and Liara come out laughing together. Just a good ending to Shepards story, an ending where we can know he/she finally could hang up the armor and just live happy with the love of their life.

[@jillgrimwater3726]

To be honest considering Asari reproduction doesn't require physical contact, and considering how much Liara loves Shepard regardless of who Shepard loves (she literally brought her back from the dead); I always considered she could have been trying to create a child even without Shepard's consent

[@MrHulthen]

It would make one hell of a dramatic reveal

[@laura-sophiemohr4178]

thats fucked up...uff :D

[@jillgrimwater3726]

@@MrHulthen exactly, like a flashback to Shepard and (insert favorite love interest here) confronting Liara for violating Shepard like that, or the daughter reaching out to Shepard and/or their love interest to learn more about her father

[@sellerim6847]

That would be a great option without chosing one romance to be "canon". That is honestly my greatest insecurity about the next mass effect, that they will ignore all our choices and make the ones they want "canon" to not complicate things with many outcomes.

[@Matalina]

And they melded two other times in ME1. She's melded with him at most 3 times, and minimum 2 times.

[@oliviamoore3426]

I want the option, based on saves to be able to play as Shepard’s child, however it should be an option. I don’t believe it’s likely to happen though, due to the fact that it would be better to start out as a blank slate. One can do much more with that from a story perspective and you give the player more choice. However one can always hope.

[@juzoli]

Not through saves, because that would bring a LOT of unintended consequences. Also lot of people don’t have saves. It should be selectable as part of its background. Renegade colonist, with Liara/Garrus/unknow as other parent.

[@oliviamoore3426]

@@juzoli sure why not

[@BoxingDawg]

@@oliviamoore3426 what about gay romances? Play as an adopted child? It's an interesting way only for main romances but it's too stretched as a whole

[@oliviamoore3426]

@@BoxingDawg I’m all for that. Though the only one who could logically survive through the 500-800 years after mass effect would be liaras children as me 4 is set a few hundred years in the future, unless Shepard made a Morgan pregnant lol. Their children also live for hundreds of years.

[@drunkdogwithagun468]

@@oliviamoore3426 wouldn’t that mean Shepherd would have been dead before 3? Lol

[@ryankohnenkamp8946]

Adoption is always an option for the romance partners that can't have children with Shepard. Sure, Shepard wouldn't have been an actual parent in the adoption, but the partner would still treat it as such

[@tedraboag4592]

I imagine IVF would still be a thing that exists too in the future

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

Artificial Reproduction is confirmed to exist. So two men would be able to have children without the need of a woman. As for adoption. I don't think many children survived the war. So it would take years before adoption would ever be possible.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Wouldn't grunt be that adopted child?

[@thewolfried3040]

What if Shepard aleeady had a child since the beginning of mass effect 1 but he is not aware of ? For exemple , if you Shepard was born on earth WE don't know much from his past , just that he was part of a gang . What if he had a girl back then , but left for the alliance ... During mass effect 3 the child would be 18 , fighting against the reapers on earth He would become a hero for saving his team After the wars , he or she would become a N7 and do missions for rebuilding the Galaxy while facing another Big threat (Léviathan) who would want to becoming once again the most powerful specie in the mylki galaxie . Liara and the crew would find that the heir of Shepard exist and fight with him For Shepard two main possibilities : he became undoctrinated and fight as the main antagonist working with the Léviathan , or WE search for him and he became the father the New protagonist never knew . The son/daughter would have to live to the réputation of Shepard legacy , that would be stressful for sure I know this "story" work for background earth , probably for colonist on mindoir but not for the last one I know , that can't even be a theory just my imagination running wild 😂

[@happysideoffear777]

I do really like the idea that liara, as a backup way to make sure some part of Shepherd makes it out of the final battle, she melds with you whether or not you were romantic with her, and impregnate yourself. It could be a point of contention with whoever you were romantic with. I could just imagine Tali and liara's conversation after the birth. "Hello Tali. Seeing as you were shepherds partner, and this is his baby, we should raise this child together" "What the actual f***?!?!". Also I can completely imagine Rex being okay with this with the justification of, " well there are plenty of my kids that I don't remember making either"

[@AnimeShinigami13]

also, classical reproduction/evolution makes little sense once you get technology. There's no reason they can't figure out how to combine DNA from the entire squad into a cloned baby. XD though that would be kinda crazy. *looooooooool* facepalm. but it would also mean that you could have an Asari baby with both Shepard and Shepard's romantic partner as the siring parents. But I'd rather we simply have a young asari squadmate in the ME4 game who's only Shepard's kid if you romanced Liara. And if not have Liara eventually go on to have children with your romantic partner choice, so there would be something of an old friend along for the ride. You could have their personality change based on who the sire was, with the same basic motivations regardless. The only partners this wouldn't work with are Thane Krios and Steve Cortez. Thane for obvious reasons, and Steve because he's not aroused by women, and the Asari are VERY feminine. Though I must imagine that there are ways to simply meld without sex and have that produce a child. And that takes us back to Liara's goodbye scene. I suspect that different levels or circumstances of melding have different odds of producing a child. So for example melding to fix the prothean cypher and beacon messages would have a very low chance, sexual intercourse would have a high chance, and the further into the other's mind the two people melded the higher that chance would be. So if Liara crossed a threshold during melding, it may not have been intentional. You could only transmit so many memories via melding, or view so many of a person's memories that it triggers pregnancy. Think about Aethyta's statement for example, that she had a baby with a hanar. What on there looks like compatible genitalia? Especially since the Hanar tentacles are HANDS not genitals. Then there's Peebee's father being an Elcor. They'd have to have dicks, but their bodies are so big and dense the asari partner would likely sustain injury while having sex. And the Salarians mate like frogs do, drop eggs in the water and the agreed sire drops their sperm in. There isn't really any intercourse involved there, yet Asari can still mate with Salarians.

[@TheMhalpern]

@@AnimeShinigami13 Considering Tali and Garus cant even eat the same food as the rest of the crew...

[@kirashepard5942]

Lol

[@AnimeShinigami13]

@@TheMhalpern it basically requires a computer able to find equivalent genes between species, plus cloning tech. you need a genetic rosetta stone if you will.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

@Franky Torres You still need some form of translation and to decide what species the kid would be. I figure the Asari likely have a specialized set of cells that "translates" the partner's genetic information in order to randomize it. It's the only way I can think of that a dextro species and an Asari could have kids. If you have sufficient processing power and genetic engineering tech, you could in theory create a library of genes for reference. Match the genome of each parent to that library, decide what of each of your traits the child would have, remove any genetic diseases and bang, test tube lovechild with shepard couple of your choice. Most people forget the implications of Miranda's entry in that Shadow Broker terminal in LotSB. But it implies the state of cloning technology in Mass Effect. The doctor's letter says she's sterile but the wording implies... 1. Miranda may be sterile because of being cloned. Her father basically took his genes and had an extra X chromasome custom made, pulling out his Y from the embryo and inserting that custom X chromasome. It's likely that this could cause hormone problems for her, which could explain Miranda going into cellular biology and cybernetics. She could have been trying to find a way to fix herself. This could be because of the WAY in which Miranda was cloned. Using mostly male genes and a customized X chromasome. It could also be why her father eventually cast her off. No fertility=his legacy dies with Miranda. 2. This is likely not a rare issue. The doctor refers her to a support group. The existance of a support group implies a lot of clones, a lot of infertility or both. It's called the mediocrity principle, which states that if you don't have a large sample size, you should assume the sample size you have is ordinary unless circumstantial evidence says otherwise. In this case Miranda and Oriana should be average clones unless circumstantial evidence says otherwise. So we can assume that cloning has a lot of problems that are slowly being ironed out. It's likely cloning technology is new in the Mass Effect universe and that Miranda is part of the first generation of clones. But in order to build the crucible there were a lot of sciences that had to advance in leaps and bounds. So who knows, she may actually be able to have a child by the next game. There is however, nothing stopping her from making babies with an Asari or having a reproductive clone made with herself and a chosen partner that may be more viable.

[@nachoyoutube2732]

Maybe Liara got pregnant ACCIDENTALY after the melting. That would dismiss the "she forcibly had Shepard's child", although it still seems off. I think the next ME should go full Dragon Age and allow its protagonist to be asari, krogan, human or salarian.

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

Even if the child was not intentional, she still forced herself onto Shepard under the guise of a gift, so either way she graped him in this context

[@yc_knight6370]

I hope we see still in Shepard timeline Bc I want to see all his friends back.

[@CobaltAres]

I agree. Shepherd is one of my favorite chars from a broad rpg backlog. However, idk if Shepherds story will be able to continue... Based on the time jump (630+ years) to make it to Andromeda, which it appears that they're going to try to connect with, and a potential second time jump... Even with the glimpse of Shepherds chest taking a breath in/after the credits. I'm assuming he/she was 30+ by the end of the 3rd game, that would make them around 660 years old... I understand he/she has cybernetics so it could extend the life span. They seem to be going with the "destroy" ending which means the tech wouldn't be as readily available as it was throughout the series

[@danmorris5498]

No they have already said that Shepard's story is finished the most we may see is Wrex, Grunt or Liara as everyone else would be dead.

[@yc_knight6370]

@@danmorris5498 Bruh stfu, he needs to come back because he is the star of the franchise.

[@dannydye568]

@@danmorris5498 what are you even talking about my dude he means by seeing him not the main protagonist get outta here and the never said such a thing I'll been watching bioware for awhile

[@dannydye568]

@@danmorris5498 also Shepard was brought back by Cerberus and also survives the ending depending on you're military strength so if they wanted the could bring him back pulling a captain America stunt where he would remain there for 70 years or longer considering he was built by parts in mass effect 2 wouldn't be surprised if Liara is looking for him I mean she finds his N7 peace why else would she be traveling in the snow looking for clues also trailer you can hear familiar voices as well

[@baird5682]

Shepard was ressurected by Cerberus once. The technology is already there.

[@decimation9780]

Yeah, except Cerberus is gone, and so is their funding. Most likely that their station was also set to self destruct in the event that the Prothean VI was activated without proper access.

[@Nova_Zed]

@@decimation9780 As far as you know.

[@decimation9780]

@@Nova_Zed Even if the station wasn’t set to self destruct, since the canon ending is looking to be the Destroy All Synthetics, it’d be gone anyways, especially after the many Mass Accelerator salvos put into it by an Alliance fleet.

[@andrews.5212]

My canon is that basically shepard is semi immortal.. it can die but is, in a sense no longer human.. (Edi tells you something around 30% of shep body is cybernetics.. if you put a bit a space magic.. a resurrecting Shepard... Again.. wouldn't be the worst thing ever ..) Even tho it would doom the Mass Effect franchise to depend on Shepard with the huge risk of Butchering what Shepard was.. Remember how disney treated Luke or Han or Leia? Now imagine a Shepard treated as an SJW.. no longer banging everything that moves.. no longer shooting batarians on sight... Now just an Hanar: "did this one adressed you with the wrong pronoun?"

[@averywhitaker3513]

@@decimation9780 miranda led project Lazarus and could have project notes

[@CobaltAres]

Liara was the only romance I wanted on multiple playthroughs. It makes sense for me that a child may have came out of that. However, as the host states "not everybody chose Liara", so I understand the confusion or potential backlash from a "forced" decision. Whatever the case, I look forward to the next installment and hope it stands up to the hype

[@LightStreak567]

I remember back before Mass Effect Andromeda released, on the day when BioWare revealed that the guy in the N7 armor was the father of the main characters, BioWare stated that Mass Effect is a human centered story about humanity's growth as a space traveling civilization and their adventures into space, so it is unlikely we will ever get an asari, turian or salarian protagonist.

[@LightStreak567]

@@arandomcrowe If you think that way about her, you should feel the same way about Pressly, he had the same feelings as Ashley, and when you check his datapads in the Normandy SR1's wreckage in ME2, you learn he grew out of his xenophobia, and if Ashley was really xenophobic, why does she stand against the Terra Firma political party, which is secretly backed by Cerberus? The truth is, they simply believed that humans are meant to look after themselves even if they have no hate against aliens. There is nothing wrong with asking aliens for help, they just don't want to look weak. As for BioWare, making a Mass Effect game without humans is like making a Star Wars game without humans. Humans are everywhere, deal with it.

[@bippitybopitybooty4208]

Correcto. But I hope that we see Shepard in their happily ever after with whoever they romanced in the last three games. If we don't play as Shep, maybe there's some side quest or easter egg, or maybe a dlc where we just see shepard retired somewhere and happy.

[@Hexenkind1]

Also that child with liara and melding thing reeeaaaaaaaaaaaallly reminds of morrigan with the "ritual" in dragon age origins. :D

[@MrHulthen]

Blue Morrigan, never thought of that before lol

[@Hexenkind1]

@@MrHulthen In that sense that this "melding" is also some sort of ritual. But yeah, many differences also remain too.^^

[@german2122]

5:34 what i've seen is that the color changes depending on your path (Ren or Par)

[@MrDusty515]

I’m sure they could make it where “Shepard’s Child” could be based on any of the human/Asari characters, Shepard may have romanced, that way it would give players the excuse to customize their own characters.

[@2cefalife]

I like this but if it was with a human theyd just be a descendant not his direct child depending on how many years pass

[@happyvalentine4008]

Less humans than you think. Jacob cheats on you before ditching and Miranda is infertile (Jack too I think?). Then of course Samantha and Steve romances can't get pregnant either. So the only options for that are Ashley, Kaidan, and Kelly Chambers (which would be hilarious. "Hey you guys remember that one romance no one did in ME2/ME3 because it had no content? Yeah that's the Canon one") If they're going to do some kind of spawn or decendant of Shepard I'd rather them get a bit wacky, if synthesis can fuse organic and synthethic life into one being maybe that same Reaper tech could create a fusion of Shepard and whoever their romance is. And you get a Dragon Age Origins style race choice which determines not only what species you are but who your Shepard romanced regardless of genetic issues. Quarian: MShep/Tali Drell: FShep/Thane Turian: FShep/Garrus Asari: Shep/Liara (or Samara if citadel? 😳) Human: Shep/All the others It also lines up close with Dragon Age having 4 playable races: Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Qunari. Dumb idea but so is Shepard's kid being the protagonist given how many people would be alienated by it unless something can allow everyone's choice to happen. Liara being romanced is no where near as universal as people choosing the destroy ending. Personally I'd rather romance Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Thane, and Jack before Liara, Ashley, or Kaiden. So I'd be pretty pissed if that's the route they choose.

[@murfdog2216]

What she meant as a gift is his child to continue his bloodline in the future she knew he was going to die and shepherd already knew that this was a melding process because they shared the same memories and feelings. When I got through it and this happened to me I already knew through playing the game fully that this was her melding with shepherd. Even though I romanced Tali! Plus if you chose the synthesis ending maybe the synthetic code could rewrite the DNA and make it possible for shepherd to have a hybrid child.

[@janeshepard9549]

Family sounds great....but I don't think I'd be much good at it, though. Not everything I've done is something to be proud of.

[@MrHulthen]

my heart 😭

[@plamenivanov92]

Parthenogenesis as in the greek word for Virgin Parthenos

[@Jedi_Spartan]

1:21 FemShep even has a line on Earth about her and Garrus settling down post Reaper war and how "biology might not cooperate". 6:42 Plus I don't want my FemShep to cheat on Garrus... I'd rather have it be the other way around, "Now Garrus is doing a lot more than calibrating the Normandy's gun!"

[@lucastaus9588]

HAHAHAHAH garrus is doing a lot more than calibrating the Normandy gun. You just made my day, He is calibrating his own gun to fuck Fem shep HAHAHAHAHAH

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@@lucastaus9588 that's literally what Liara says during Shadow Broker if you cheat on her with Garrus.

[@lucastaus9588]

@@Jedi_Spartan i didnt saw it. I have never played as Fem shep LOL

[@eryniel3585]

There's another, pretty messed up, way we could end up with a baby Shephard; Cerberus. They had access to Shep's body for two years while they brought him/her back to life. What's to say they had so issue um... harvesting genetic materials, and then use that to create an offspring. Just saying... I really hope that this ends up not being the case, though

[@MrHulthen]

That would be a mindblowing story for sure!

[@ninonormandy7620]

Well, they did actually clone him in citadel. So I suggest that could be it.

[@EternalNightingale]

Yep considering how shady Cerberus is it’s not out of the question and it isn’t surprising, as the illusive man said Shepard is a symbol he had just as much of a addiction on him as the reapers the difference is he already got what he wanted from him/her, I feel the romance between shep and liara feels more natural compared to the others also thinking how beast of an asari sheps kid would be the reapers would still be on the hunt or whoever else was behind harbinger cause he definitely had a boss above him, also thinking sheps cybernetics could have also saved his life tho without the help of Cerberus now his return will take much longer so keeping his body in cryo seems likely, maybe martiarch liara is searching for sheps body as she is the shadow broker, found his body frozen barely alive as they discover, treat him like the winter soldier let him out of cryo once a galaxy disaster is apon them, tho very sad dude can’t Rest In Peace lol but he’s definitely going to be alive for the next game has to be no doubt, I’m not expecting BioWare to pull this massive twist of a story, their last game titles tell us a lot how the company is now, just cause they remastered a decade old trilogy doesn’t mean “they’re back” most of that team who made those games are gone, story could be just as equal in quality as andromeda don’t get y’all hopes up if these basic story theories are true in some way cause these are basic and some are just a little too much fan fiction which they could do also to just please fans cause their just as lost where to take the series next lol there’s a reason they didn’t do Mass effect 4 after 3 and continue the story of sheperd, I think EA wanted to be done with it and move on, as we got with andromeda and no one liked that so now it’s fan service as their touching the old trilogy again which I highly doubt was ever in consideration before at EA like dead space they want to bring back the original aspect on their popular games, either way I still loved andromeda as it was my first ME game

[@celebwenskye5446]

Honestly, my first thought when watching that scene in my first play through (which was not a Liara LI play) was that she was creating a child. She already had plan B for if they failed to stop the reapers, seems like she would have a plan for if Shepard died. She lost Shep once, and didn’t want to go through that again. This way, she got to keep the best of her closest friend. No matter what. That said, I wouldn’t want it to be the player character. Unless it was optional. Maybe like Dragon Age Origins, you could play different characters based on race you choose. If you choose to play Asari, it would be Shep’s daughter.

[@found6393]

Or if you played a turian it'd Garus' child, or Tali's child, or... watch the hell out, Jack's child, lol.

[@mythicq8246]

Liara is such a wonderful, resourceful, deep and powerful person, I wouldn't mind her taking this initiative. It's quite crazy but seeing how she usually see things from a long term perspective, it makes more sense than some stuff ME3 threw at us...

[@LVD3NS]

I would 100% mind, that's a fucking awful idea

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

Wouldn't mind? Bro it's literally grape.

[@BVBloom]

I could absolutely see Liara pulling something like this on a nonromanced or romanced Shep. Liara's got a ruthless streak a mile wide, on top of a pretty obsessive personality. She gave Shep's corpse to Cerberus because she couldn't let Shep go, and they were trying to bring Shep back. She hunted the Shadow Broker for revenge for her friends, and in that pursuit she built a shady information brokerage of her own that rocketed to prominence on Illium in a ridiculously short time. She threatens clients and gets people killed in pursuit of her goals. Her morals are malleable. I love Liara, but I don't pretend she isn't manipulative, cunning, and calculating. I could easily see her convincing herself it's ok to secretly secure a piece of Shepard for herself in the form of a child.

[@Hexenkind1]

I think the next mass effect could also very well be in the timeline where the "stargazer" lives from the after credits scene in ME3. Make a video about that! :D

[@MrHulthen]

Ooh, good idea!

[@Hexenkind1]

Also: Did you know that the male stargazer is voiced by buzz aldrin in english? The second human on "our" moon, ever.

[@MrHulthen]

@@Hexenkind1 Yep! One of the greatest cameos ever : D

[@Hexenkind1]

@R4W Siana I meant moon, obviously. xD

[@Hexenkind1]

@Pathfinder Why? I think the "lost in time" part also could come from the mere fact that the relais were destroyed. So it could not be that far in time.

[@scorpio69poison74]

This is the first time I've ever heard of Shepherd having a kid

[@jackalope2u]

Personal thought.... The Child at the end of ME3 being told the stories of Shepard by the Grandfather is the next main character. Obviously the scene takes place well into the future. The child loves the stories, and idolizes the Shepard. Bioware could easily make him/her the next hero walking in the steps of Shepard. Kinda like Conrad, but real this time. It would be even funnier to find out the little kid at the end of ME3 is Conrad's, and Jenna's Great Great Great Grandchild.

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

Commander Verner!

[@beavers1978]

I still find it a little unfair that Asari can reproduce with any species, but the others have to stick to their own. Edit: Just thought of something. What if Shepard's child was a test tube baby? An experiment on cross-species reproduction with non-Asari races.

[@TheOriginalSB]

I like the idea of "The Child of the Hero of the galaxy is the main character, in the sequel" but I would be glad to see the Child of Shepard and Tali there (Because now I love to romance them And I actually like Tali more,)] well, it would be interesting to meet the child with her parents (with Shepard) and with her big brother Grunt) but the theory is good, respect)

[@jpvenus3020]

It would be interesting if she poped up as maybe a background charcter. Like Bioware did for the first ME. It be something of like eternal love and describes Liara and Shepherd being a item and her having a baby. So u could pick it and incorporate into the story. So the child could pop up in one or two missions and be referenced and then go forward in later games. If they do have more with more plot based on the reception of the audience.

[@guardiantree8879]

I don’t want to play as the child, but they could be an awesome squad mate. In defense of Liara having the child without being in a relationship with Shepard, she’s arguably the closest person to Shepard outside their romantic interest. She herself also has feelings for Shepard. So I could kinda see her doing it, with Shepard being okay with it.

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

also Asari dont require intercourse to concieve a child so they see the process very differently than a human would. also it could mirror the liara/benezia situation in ME1. like, Liara is involved on the plot and her daughter joins you maybe to find her. maybe it could be a secret that she is sheppards daughter.

[@Skyracer910]

I mean I’m sure they have his DNA heck the illusive man reconstructed him. Maybe between ME2 and ME3 Miranda used the DNA to construct a a child using Shepard and her DNA

[@henryviiifake8244]

Maybe (it is a viable and sensible way to dp it)... but it begs the question: _why?_ 🤔 Cerberus is a shadow of its former self with the Illusive Man gone and, if the current galactic species are still alive, then that means Shepard picked the "destroy" or "synthesis" options in ME3. Back in ME2, Shapard was one of the few people with knowledge of the Reapers, so it made a lot of sense for the Illusive Man to try and have Shapard work for him.

[@DMBLaan]

As much as I'd like a Shep Kid or decedent depending on how far in the future this is, it would be really hard to write around not just if you romanced Liara or not but also if your Shep was gay or a lesbian or not. I personally did romance Liara and would love to see their little blue childen, but I can see how hard it would be to write around a lot of the other possibilities.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

Artificial Reproduction is confirmed to exist. So Male Shep and Kaidan or Cortez can have children. Liara. Regardless Shepard would definitely have a few human children. I mean seriously it's illogical to only have kids with a xeno.

[@supersentaipepsi3736]

@@fenrisvermundr2516 Warhammer fans: "DID SONEONE SAY XENO!?"

[@mustafaozturk2542]

I am only say benefactor from ME:A. Putting Shepard's Child like a benefactor fits perfectly.

[@The_Ragequit_Cannon]

I personally think a "Shepard's Child" scenario could be entirely possible with the other races besides Asari. We appear to have developed the technology to build ring like structures around celestial bodies. If we can do that, then I'm almost certain medical technology would've also advanced sufficiently to make interbreeding possible. Maybe not while yielding fertile offspring such as in the case of the mule, but there's a chance, albeit a slim one, that the legions of Garrus and Tali fans could get what they want

[@Vesp3r1987]

On first thought you would say its awesome idea... However that would mean few things: 1. The new player character will always be female asari 2. you would have to go with the idea that Shepard either melded with Liara before last push on Earth or with the theory that she can postpone her pregnancy and the child is a result of her first few times melding with Shepard way back in ME1 As for how id make it reasonable? I wouldnt. If i wanted to include Shepard in any way i would do it in 1 of the following ways: a) Through codexes and messages scattered throughout the galaxy b) another Shepard clone that presumably was in cryo for the entire time (and make him the new Javik) c) Make him/her the goal of the story... or atleast the goal of a quest where you have to find out what happened (make Shepard into the next ME game's Vigil)

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

maybe it could be a squadmate...the Asari squadmate that joins the mission because liara is involved on the plot. somewhat mirroring the benezia/Liara situation on ME1. doesnt mean liara has to be a vilain tho. like, liara is missing and you have to find her or something like that. maybe the daughter doesnt know that her "father" is sheppard and it gets revealed later on.

[@cassiespencer6134]

"The new player character will always be female asari" Not necessarily since: "A mono-gender race, the Asari are distinctly feminine in appearance and possess maternal instincts. Their unique physiology, expressed in a millennium-long lifespan and the ability to reproduce with a partner of any gender or species." - Mass Effect Wiki Note: It doesn't state one way or another as to what gender the offspring will be or may be. That said, to my knowledge, there have been no male characters who've claimed to have an Asari mother. However, that doesn't mean they don't or can't exist. Thus a definitive answer is...problematic. ;)

[@Vesp3r1987]

@@cassiespencer6134 I believe somewhere throughout the games some asari explained the the offspring will always be another asari (i think Liara said it in ME1). If so, then we cant customize character much, other than scars and tattoos...

[@cassiespencer6134]

@@Vesp3r1987 You're correct. According to the ME Wiki: "The offspring is always an asari, regardless of the species or sex of the "father" and in the case that the offspring is of two asari, the father is the one who does not give birth."

[@krypotico]

The way I see it, best solution would be having the ability to create an asari with Shepard as a parent as a backstory, but not as the only option.

[@robbieditto9849]

If they had a child together it could have just as easily been unintentional because of their heightened emotional states at the time of the joining

[@alcian91]

It always seemed to me that either Liara or Ashley are considered the canon romances for Male Shepard, and since the Destroy ending seems to be forced on us, I don't see why Bioware wouldn't do something like this. Besides that I doubt they'll go this path since Shepards child would have to step in some very big foot steps (but could be an interesting point of character development). I actually thought about something else regarding Liaras children. I imagine a dinner at the anniversary of Shepards demise and to honor him all of his (remaining) friends gather at a certain place. On one of these anniversarys Liara, Tali and Garrus, all of them have aged a bit, drink a bit too much and the next day the three of them wake up, not actually knowing what exactly happened but Liara being pregnant - with siblings. So in the next Mass Effect there would be two Asari NPCs, maybe squad mates, named Vakarian and Vas Normandy. Just a thought.

[@Omrifere]

While I do think of Liara as the more likely "canon" romance (specifically because of the ability to have Shep's child which I realized right after beating 3 for the first time), I don't think a romance option should actually be endorsed by Bioware. Having a canon choice on the crucible is one thing, since the consequences are so wide ranging, but romance shouldn't be touched on, or should still be left up to the player. I also don't like the idea of playing as Shep's child. Time to have new characters, hopefully with the ability to choose different races. By all means bring other characters back but I think it's time to move on for the player character. Not to mention that playibg as Shep's kid would require the game to be set 20-100 years after ME3, considering Liara was "barely an adult" in ME1 at 106.

[@dannydye568]

Listen in the background I'm sure you will hear some familiar voices or maybe even recognize some ps doubt Shepard child will be the main protagonist like in most games in cinematic trailer whoever it shows always turns out be the main protagonist so liara could be the main protagonist

[@mustafaozturk2542]

@@dannydye568 Nope, In Mass Effect Trilogy. We learned the story of Shepard becoming first human Specter and revealing the hard truth about Reapers. In Mass Effect Andromeda, we learned the story of Ryder's and how humanity saved Initiative, Nexus and how they defeat the Kett. Mass Effect wasn't telling a story about Asari, Krogan or Salarian. Even we don't know many information about Hanar, Volus and such in regards of background. If they are gonna propose Shepard Child protagonist then that child must have to be a human. So Liara romance won't be a canon at all. The only way they gonna introduce Shepard Child to us is with a personality like benefactor who hides behind many faces so they will hide his/her identity beside the knowledge about his/her father.

[@littlemouse7066]

Shep's child would be a new character.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

I mean if they can bring Shep back from the dead I'm sure they could engineer some unholy hybrid of Turian-Human or Quarian-Human. I don't want to imagine what that baby would come out looking like but, it could theoretically be done in-universe.

[@averywhitaker3513]

Given the fact that quarians are aesthetically just humans with some facepaint and slightly bowed lower legs... they would probably just look like people with facepaint

[@tedraboag4592]

I remember when the third game came out for the first time, people theorised the child at the end was a clone Shepard. It could go down that route, but I would prefer "A blank slate" so to speak and just be like Dragon Age Inquisition where we see old friends as cameos.

[@monarchschwoop52]

I actually really like Shepard and Liara as just good friends, kinda like a sisterly relationship in my play through

[@goodmusic4673]

That a possible child between FemShep and Javik has not been mentioned anywhere is a real shame. I mean the idea is absolutely stupid but that would be a surprising twist xD

[@lucastaus9588]

you can have a romance with Javik? I have never played as female shepard.... But IMAGINE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT OFFSPRING (yes im aware that im being like oliver wood when he knew harry and ginny where having a child)

[@goodmusic4673]

@@lucastaus9588 well romance is maybe not the right word but you can sleep with him

[@lucastaus9588]

@@goodmusic4673 I was trying to be respectfull of fem shepard, but yes, thats was what i was thinking HAHHAHHAHA

[@dextergrif1052]

The actual canon story: Tali and Shepard adopt a human child.

[@correnhollimon1414]

I accept this

[@nunya_bizniz]

Then the kid dies of old age about 500 years before the beginning of ME4.

[@dextergrif1052]

@@nunya_bizniz Then they adopt an Asari kid with purple skin to match Tali

[@nunya_bizniz]

@@dextergrif1052 hmm, I guess any and all romances could be made canon with the adoption of an asari kid. This could actually work. 👍

[@richardgaldos6901]

I am extremely opposed to it. And if it was Liara's child I straight up wouldnt buy the game. I never cared for Liara and since the game have grown to dislike her because of how often she is pushed on the audience. While I had Shepard take the gift as a gift between friends, I sure as hell would not support making a child with her... so if she had a child, I am pretty sure that is considered rape or something. After all, having a women purposely lie about being on birth control or poke a hole in condoms would be a big problem in the real world. Honestly, the game really needs to be its own thing. Let us play a new character to fall in love with. It doesnt, and shouldnt be tied down to the original trilogy to succeed, it just needs good writing.

[@EverydayBlackout]

It would be pretty funny if they allow interspecies kids

[@FlyingOktober]

Offspring stuff aside, I speculate that it is entirely possible for the perfect destroy ending to be canon as in the trailer she finds what is presumably a piece of Shepard's N7 armor. His armor will only bear this detail if he survives as otherwise the blast from harbinger would vaporize the armor that is missing upon his entry of the citadel to fire the crucible. Furthermore, he will die if the other options are chosen which will also vaporize the armor he is wearing at the time and if not enough war assets are acquired he will die from destroy regardless. Therefore, it seems entirely possible that the canon ending will at least be the perfect destroy ending since it allows his armor to survive which can be recovered by Liara in the trailer for the new game.

[@masterkyoogway3565]

I mean if they did the unconsentual baby, the only way I could see it would be if Liara had a villain arc, a live long enough to become the villain sort of thing.

[@IAreHungryman]

It's a big no no, but she is also the shadow broker. She could have been planing a long game to destroy the reapers, if they failed. I like the idea of Shepard child being an important character even a companion character. I'd like to select and play as one of any of the races

[@jdkelley393]

Oh yeah make fun all you want, but I am off to buy a Tali body pillow now that I know they exist.

[@MrHulthen]

Damn right!

[@sandrogamer30018]

As a Talimancer I sure hope not. Anything but playing as Liara or Liara's child... please... that would completelly ruin the game already for me and to most other people who dont romance Liara.

[@MrHulthen]

i feel ya

[@stormy6029]

Liara is basically the canon romance so this can definitely work

[@jerrycarpenter1047]

My last play through on legendary ed, was the first time I didn't get the "gift" from Liars, but Ashley was my lover and I got the survivor ending with Ashley smiling, so Ashley could be pregnant. Just saying.

[@lucastaus9588]

what about the players who killed Ashley on Virmire in order to date Kaiden on ME3 (Like myself)

[@mustafaozturk2542]

@@lucastaus9588 The child still be human so it can be true. As long as the child is human, Shepard child can be protagonist but if they force that option then Asari lover or Turian lover will become upset with that forced choice. That's why Shepard Child theory is a dumbster fire

[@Shypwreck]

So right

[@highlordlaughterofcanada8685]

Survivor ending? That's a mod. Mods aren't canon

[@vinegarhusbands]

this is a theory I've been thinking could be pretty plausible too! Plus it would be neat if your Shep's eye color was imported for Shep Jr, as a neat little tie back to their parent.

[@eenamoon]

I rewatched the new trailer and paid close attention to Liara’s face. I noticed she had a good amount of facial wrinkles-so she might be a matriarch when the new mass effect takes place. Which would help point to a connection between the original trilogy and me:a, since me:a starts 600+ years later (Liara would be around 700). Which would also mean there’s no chance Shepard physically survived 600 years later (their thoughts+memories were preserved in the control ending/if that one ends up canon which doesn’t seem likely). So yeah, we’ll definitely be playing as a new character. Which I’m happy about, Shepard’s story is over and they need to be able to rest. I’m just crossing my fingers we can choose our race instead being stuck as a human.

[@dannydye568]

Actually yes there is a chance he survive Shepard was built by Cerberus only way he can return if they pull a captain America stunt where he is remain in some ice for years so yes it's a possibility he would till be alive

[@eenamoon]

@@dannydye568 That’s some cool info, thanks for telling me. I wish they’d just let Shepard rest though. I’ve played as Shepard for 8 years and I’m not gonna lie…if they pull some magic cryo ressurection I’m going to be a bit disappointed. I feel like this is the perfect oppurtunity to introduce a new character rather than scrape Shepard back together and force them into a new narrative.

[@polnischerfelgendieb4835]

A bit late; But I don't think Liara can be much older: assuming she Made the trip to Andromeda she would Spend it in cryosleep like Ryder and the rest and therefore Not age much physically, of course she could be conscious all the time but that seems like a waste of 600 years. Also after that 600 year Trip Most of Ryder and his Crew would be long dead, so kinda curious how theyll link both universes

[@networkjunkie3953]

An interesting concept, though I don't think that this will be the case. My main Shephard did not romance Liara, but I would be ok with this idea. Remember back to ME1 when there were multiple "mind melds". Since Liara, during the dialogs, mentions she was unprepared and becomes "exhausted". There could have been an accidental conception. Liara may not have known she was pregnant. The game never mentions anything about how long it takes for asairi pregnancy. This happens to humans IRL sometimes not knowing and asairi live for a 1000 years, it would make sense their pregnancy was longer than 9 months.

[@grunt7917]

Nope. Everybody knows that I will be next main character. I will show them who's boss!

[@SniperMonkey119]

Go grunt

[@richdreams9006]

Also it’ll just be cool for the fans even if we don’t get to play as Shepard but we get to see him if he’s alive and if you romance liara or maybe even Ashley you get to see Shepard’s child in a cutscene or something or maybe even get to play as them if you choose

[@ladyphoenixgrey3923]

Thoroughly enjoying the videos.

[@knightguard3892]

This was one of my theories with Liara, but one other thought I had while watching this video, was a descendant of Sheppard and Ashley.

[@Krispy_Krame]

people would probably call it "character assassination" but Liara as the baddie the next ME would be pretty cool and have the offspring of her and Shepherd as a squad mate. Or vise versa and have the offspring be the baddie and Liara joins you to help save the day one last time. Either way, the player character should just be some rando thrown into the mix.

[@hightechredneck8587]

I thought it would be pretty badass if the child took up shepard's mantle and became a specter.

[@foreverfree101]

I was figured that Mass effect 3 ending portion when they are gives a gift was a little weird but never give much thought until you brought it up now that just makes liara creepy and further proves my point that she is very obsessive over Shepherd because when you think about it she's instantly interested in Shepherd in Mass effect 1 Shepherd dies in Mass effect 2 she revives Shepherd even after the whole entire crew thinks Shepherd is dead because Shepherd is and then to top it all off Mass effect 3 at the end Shepherd get's that weird gift which most people don't think of and then you bring this up

[@TGBurgerGaming]

It's not the first time I've had a main character r*ped for their seed by a crazy evil chick who can breed with humans, in a videogame. I've played F E.A R

[@ninonormandy7620]

Also Farcry 3

[@TGBurgerGaming]

Apparently describing Alma as unattractive is enough to get my post removed by KZbin. She's literally a monster but whatever...🙄

[@thepbg8453]

Now this one idea is a tad extreme and highly unlikely. But a technological angle through genetic modification that allows mating between species to be possible. Again unlikely, but just throwing that maybe out there.

[@MrHulthen]

Hell Why not? 😄

[@sligoboy11]

personally i just want another game of playing as shepherd and co ..... i know basic lmao

[@djbare9]

You got my vote.

[@ninjawannabe87]

I think it would be awesome as an optional origin story for you character creation options. ME4 could have some interesting options with its character creation in just picking your characters heritage/parentage. Asari would have some interesting options because there parentage could give them certain perks or attributes that would aid them in the game (even if their just a +1-2 or a small percentage increase to the respective, lore-relevant character stat), or be relevant to the story in however big of an extent they wish to make it; like a small side quest, some NPCs mentioning it, or having it be a crucial cog in the grand scheme of the story. I don't really have high hopes for it though, that would require effort that they're questionably able to put forth

[@ram64man]

I’ll honest, I would rather have your own romance character possible, yes technically Miranda can’t have kids. But there is always the possibility with the new technology. Or adoption or surrogacy. I only want liara to be a possibility and have other options . I’ll be totally pi*s if I romanced Ashley only to find you can romance liara only . I’ll rather the child be an option not forced on you

[@jordanskene3243]

Exactly this I mean FFS they brought a man who died in space back to life which has gotta be harder then finding a solution for infertility 😂

[@darkwolf-bk1yu]

Little did we know you play as Conrad Verners child

[@cascade_fury]

It's a fact that the events of the trilogy has brought many races together. I would go as far as stating that having non-human officers in the Alliance is a definite possibility going forward (to much protest of Cerberus sympathizers). Particularly after the destroy ending. Playing as Asari, while still having the same 'Alliance' storyline is absolutely possible from a story telling perspective. There are plenty of options here, pick Male of female human character, or Asari (optionally shepard offspring) based on savefile. It's only one more voice pack and opens up the possibility of some fun and unique side quests and dialogues. I'd be open to that possibility. Sounds fun. However I not sure if it's worth the PR challenges: "Yes you can still play a 'Sheppard' but only if you romanced Liara and import me3 save. Otherwise you play a generic Human or Asari." Some will love it, many people will be disappointed, and I doubt Bioware is willing to stir up that hornet's nest. So I'm fully expecting a completely new protagonist and setting. Probably not even Alliance.

[@mustafaozturk2542]

Sorry but I would love to play a Krogan protagonist. Why put Asari if you can do it then put all races in there. Turian, Asari, Salarian, Krogan, Volus, Hanar, etc. That's where you become fucked up in storyline. Mass Effect is always be about humans and their place in the space. In milkyway, Alliance is the only organization which represents humans in politics and military aspects. Next protaganist %90 from Alliance military.

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

We could have a new player character and an Asari squadmate that is secretly shepards daughter. having some quest in wich is revealed. maybe you start knowing that is Liara's daughter.

[@kmthunderheartt6168]

This is my theory!!! I thought this the first time I saw the scene at the end of 3. I hope that is true!! I understand that it's a problem if she is not your girl in the game, but I can see her having a child with Shepard regardless at that moment. It's basically the end of the world...the GALAXY. Most likely everyone is about to die and she knows Shepard will die if that is what it takes to save everyone. She didn't want Shepard to die without something of him/her surviving. They saw the child being created but she made him forget about it so Shepard could focus on the mission and would tell him/her after the battle. It still is wrong, but I can get why she would and that would be the explanation for it. In the game she would be like something she was very conflicted about but after her daughter was born and seeing Shepard in her, makes it all worth it. If she is your love interest, then you get her talking about how they raise her together.

[@anthonypuk5190]

As someone who romanced Miranda every single playthrough, this would be a slap in the face. Making one of the 3 endings canon is one thing as there is only 3 endings (Refusal was just a middle finger) which means you will annoy a lot less people. There are over 10 different romances in the trilogy and making one of them canon would piss off a great majority of the player audience.

[@Hexenkind1]

This scene with the gift only happens if you have a relationship with liara. Obviously. So they would have to force that romance in the next mass effect.

[@Hexenkind1]

@Pathfinder You don't? I honestly never tried that or noticed that. But clearly this version in the video is the romance version.

[@littlemouse7066]

not true.

[@BestOpinionHaver]

i see three possible solutions: 1. Bioware choose a canon romance and ending for us and we as players just gotta 'deal with it'. 2. Bioware lets you load your ME3 save-file (like with the previous games) and you just pick up where you left of with your previous choices affecting your new game. 3. Bioware lets you answer a questionaire at the start of ME4, basically ticking boxes of which choices you want to have as canon going into ME4. 2 and 3 are tricky because it makes the story-threads incredibly hard to keep track of going into ME4. The layers of complexicity just get exponential. You even saw this problem between ME1, ME2 and ME3 in the case of if you never recruit Wrex in ME1 (yes you can skip out on him entirely) it creates wierd problems in ME2 and ME3 story-plots that are..... clunky.

[@JiF28]

The backlash if they did option 1 would be akin to a tsunami

[@Breadonbrick]

BioWare can just be like “Shepard is built different. He can get anyone pregnant because he is such a sigma male.”

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Maybe like "when cerberus was resurrecting Shepard they inject him with some serum that lets him "penetrate" the species gen and get any alien woman pregnant"

[@minhducnguyen9276]

*See the Asari toddler* : Yes, I knew it was the right choice.

[@oliviamoore3426]

To quote bender from futurama. You humans shooting dna at each other, I find it offensive lololol

[@isaacvanburen7037]

Funny you mention that as I always perceived Liara as a much creepier Dr. Zoidberg...

[@oliviamoore3426]

@@isaacvanburen7037 hahahaha in a sense, yes the assari is 😂

[@isaacvanburen7037]

Olivia Moore Like, you know, in ME1, I was not interested in any LI ( Though I accidentally got locked in a romance with Ashley... I fixed this problem on Virmire, Hiroshima style.), Liara did the Mind-f**k twice. Then I read the codex, learned about how Asaris do their "affair". I was like "Wut?". As a Talimancer, I got even more bothered in ME3, when she tries to push another mindjob before the final run. As soon as it happened, I got that image from Futurama, when Zoidberg sucks Farnsworth's head, pop up into my mind... 😐

[@oliviamoore3426]

@@isaacvanburen7037 hahahah holy crap this made me Giggle. Though just to be a nit picker. Assari only gets preggy if there’s a real melding, ie both partners wants it, something along those lines, so if ya didn’t want kids I think you’re safe. Man I wish tali went both ways. I wanted to romance her so badly. Haha yes, popping heads 😁😈

[@isaacvanburen7037]

Olivia Moore That's why I got creeped out by the "I have a gift for you. Wanna get it?" thing and always refuse it now. The parasitic sex squid turned into a lawless manipulator when becoming the shadow broker. I felt the trap like: Liara- "I have a gift. Want it?" Shep- "Eeeh... M'kay?" Le wild mindjob appears. Liara- "Surprise, Motherfucker! Now you owe me a pension." Shep- "Wut?..." Liara- "You said you "wanted" it." Shep- "Well, I guess I'm gonna die..." I get your feels. Tali's my mandatory romance. As a BroShep player, I'm all good. Yet I don't get why she's a dude only option while MigraineMan turned into a hole to fill for everyone by ME3. I feared for my Shep's buttcheeks and hoped for Virmire Part 2 if another accidental lock would happen with Kaidan this time. 😅 Screw humans, I'm going Alien. 🤘🏻👽

[@itsmezed]

Having the main character be Shepard and Liara's child is why I've thought a perfect title for the new game would be *Mass Effect: Legacy*

[@mustafaozturk2542]

But having protagonist Asari is against Mass Effect storytelling because she is not Human and Mass Effect is a story about humanity. Trilogy human protagonist becoming the first Specter and uniting all races to fight against Reapers. Mass Effect Andromeda a story about a human pathfinder to save initiative and the nexus also how he united everyone behind himself to defeat kett. Mass Effect was always telling the story of human advancement in space civilizations. Liara's child idea is a bust on this view. If they choose a Shepard Child protagonist then he/she must be a human. Thus Liara's child idea is a bust on this perspective.

[@phantomwraith1984]

But femshep wouldn't be able to have a child unless they were with Liara, and I never romance Liara. Canonising a romance could be as bad as canonising an ending. It means the players choice is irrelevant

[@richardzimmer660]

I thought about this when I played Legendary Edition. It seems like a reach to get a female descendant of Shep so Jennifer could come back and do the voice acting. This would corner the player as a female with at least some biotics, no soldier or pure technicians. If they want Jennifer, have her voice another character, or the female player character, she is incredibly talented.

[@ianchapman6254]

As you indicated, there could be a choice at the start of the game: Asari or Human. If you pick Asari, you are Liari's kid. If you pick Human then you are the child of the V/S. I grant that's not much choice, but at least is is a little.

[@lucastaus9588]

imagine that Miranda got pregnant in ME2 but she kept it as a secret, BOOM thats a plot twist for all we know shepard can have at least 3 childs and one of them can be a little cute blue daughter

[@ianchapman6254]

@@lucastaus9588 Interesting idea but we know that Miranda is sterile (see Lair of the Shadowbroker).

[@lucastaus9588]

@@ianchapman6254 you are right, I have forgotten about that. But wouldn’t be nice the offspring of that two bad ass humans? I mean think about it for a while HAHAHAH

[@ianchapman6254]

The only other possible love interest is Jacob Taylor, but if he did knock Fem-Shep up we'd have known about it by ME3. Also the ME3 reunion with Jacob would have been.....awkward.

[@ianchapman6254]

@@lucastaus9588 Well you are certainly right about that. Such a person would either be the next Shepard.....or the next Illusive Man.

[@aureliagrey8072]

What if, for being able to play as any race, each one comes with a unique backstory connecting one of the main companions, and the asari character has the "shepard' child" arc?

[@marcelocaldas5727]

It would be awesome, even if she is not the love interest in the previous games. Makes only sense to save a Shepherds “copy” just in case everything fails

[@jeghaterdegforfaen]

I for one would like the option to play as other races than human, and in any case, being related to Shepard isn't important to me. However, an explanation for Shepard having a child post mortem could be as simple as freezing either sperm or egg cells as a part of the N7 program. I.e. human soldiers are given the option to preserve a part of themselves if anything should happen to them in battle. This would also mean that centuries could pass before a child is actually born. So Liara could be the mother, or a human becomes pregnant with Shepard's child one way or the other.

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

we could have a new player character and an Asari squad mate that is secretly shepards daughter. having some quest in wich is revealed.

[@rylan8046]

I 100% believe it could be possible for a quarian and a human to have some sort of hybrid child. Nobody’s tried as far as we know (besides shep) for quarians are rare to see and are always either on an important pilgrimage or on the migrant fleet. Now I’m not saying the child would come out… normal, but, nothing says it’s NOT possible

[@sirumariru]

We need to remember that even that part where we meld our mind with Liara in ME3 ending is also optional. So if the player didn't melded their mind with Liara there, this could not happen as well! :/

[@eryniel3585]

What about the melding where Liara helps Shepard figure out the beacon's message? I can't remember if that's voluntary or not. But then there's the question of "how long does an asari pregnancy last" or if they can somehow delay the pregnancy after conception... Idk, it's a bit of a mess either way.

[@TsuriaDragon]

This is why don’t you Fanfic….. Ever!

[@MrHulthen]

xD

[@blazethemilitaryandtactica2852]

It would be possible just hear me out If we take the fact that the Comander is rebuilt in ME2 then we could say that their genetics could have been modified to the point where they can have kids with and romantic interests.

[@draelon]

I'm sure there's books or other lore on it, but I was always curious about the parts of the game where Liara "mind-melded" (or whatever you want to call it) with Shep. It always sounded very similar to how their reproduction worked.

[@normangeilich]

Liaras Child: Hmmm, that looks like Boris Becker and the Janitors Closet.

[@ryankohnenkamp8946]

Couldn't Liara have had a child "with" Shepard after ME1? She melded with him/her at least once to figure out where the conduit was

[@CelestialDraconis]

That's not how all melds work. Shiala also melded with Shepard to give them the cipher. Not every meld is a reproductive one.

[@misskikikat]

I love the Mass Effect Trilogy, and I think if you romance Tali or Garrus as a male or female Shepard, you're missing out on the amazingly funny scenes where you catch the two of them together towards the end of ME3. And I've always found Liara to be quite predatory and obsessed with either Shephard, so I make sure I never take the romance path with her. With my FemShep she always romances Kaidan (and for the brief time in ME2 to get the paramour trophy, romanced Jacob on playthrough one) and if MaleShep it's Ashley (and maybe Miranda in ME2 if I want to see her get jealous). So if they were to make an Asari child canon in the new game, then I'd be not buying since they are essentially taking away my choice if it were to follow on from the ME trilogy.

[@mamboonthetube7652]

This has been a theory of mine for a little while now. I don’t necessarily think the child would be the player character but I do think Liara did totally steal a baby from shepard there. Either way I’m excited to see where they go with the story

[@nicolasinvernizzi6140]

it could be a squadmate. maybe you get her like liara in ME1. just because she is Liara's daughter and maybe Liara is involved in the plot. and then after some questline/loyalty mission you learn that sheppard is the "father".

[@lucastaus9588]

maybe they can add a DLC when you meet Laira's daugther and you find out is Shepard's son and the player can choice to hate Liara and not recognize his Daugther or still being in love with her and recibe his daugther. That would fix the problem of player who didnt/did dated Liara

[@FlyingOktober]

Perhaps if she did use that to sneak a kid then it may have been under the idea that if it wasn't romance inspired, she wanted a partner with strong genes for her child and who would have better genes than the savior of the galaxy? Otherwise if it was because of romance then it is more along the lines of keeping a part of Shepard in her life.

[@mamboonthetube7652]

@@FlyingOktober I mean my thought is that we see her in ME3 putting other plans into place to preserve culture and information (ie her project she shows you in your cabin) so it stands to reason that, no matter her level of relationship with Shepard, she would recognize Shepard’s importance/greatness/pseudo-messiahhood and would have decided upon seeing the situation on earth that if she were going to “preserve” Shepard in any way should the worst happen it’s now or never and there’s not a whole lot of time to ask for consent or explain your reasoning, especially if you can snag a baby during a mindmeld without the other party being any the wiser. Like think about it from her point of view. The situation on earth is dire from the get go and everyone’s about to run at the teleport laser and you don’t know if Shepard will survive but you know that you could potentially live for another thousand years and the protheans even managed to hold out for several centuries despite their lack of warning for the reaper invasion so she must be thinking if the assault here fails and Shepard falls she can at least potentially escape with a part-Shepard baby that could assume their legacy and battle the reapers for the next thousand years if necessary. As far as judging the morality of such an action I don’t think the player will really find themself in such a cut and dry position of needing to weigh in on it. Like I really don’t think we’ll play as Shepard so I don’t think we’ll have a “oh I have a child” moment. I think it’s more likely we meet an asari character/squadmate and if we do the right sidequests or find the right lore bits or follow the right conversation paths we might uncover their parentage and be like “wow the child of a legend” and its more or less up to the player to decide how they feel about it. Maybe they’ll be able to confront Liara and hear her reasoning and be able to say a little something about it like “hey not cool, that’s rape” or “hey I get it, things were rough and you had to make a tough call”

[@mamboonthetube7652]

Like, hell, the N7 armor in the trailer could be a jebait and it has nothing to do with shep but in actuality the post-reaper galaxy has banded together and we have like some kind of spectre-N7-STG combo organization and its actually liara’s daughter’s armor and like the act 1 of the plot could be trying to track her down or something

[@SKB.16]

I just hope ME 4-5 we play as Shepard ! :o

[@royalladybug30]

We also meld with her after every major mission in ME1. I would be concerned that if Liara did get pregnant during ME3, she is "barely older than a child" by her species standards. Wouldn't having a child push her out of the Madien stage right into Matron?

[@eryniel3585]

That's a very good question!

[@Oceansama]

I do not like to think that Liara's gift to Shepard was a child. Rather it was, as she said, a final farewell to someone she loved and respected. To say she used that moment to conceive a child would rob the scene of its emotional impact and purity.

[@crusader6991]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@MrHulthen]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@BrotherMag]

Hmmmmmmmmm Also Miranda is unable to have kids due to her father perfect genetics. There's also the son/ daughter of wrex would be possible if genophage was cured. And if not, mrordin did say the krogan were getting a resistance to it overtime. Or a quarian, asari, or turian inspired by Shepard because they met him on the citadel. They could go the dragon age origins route.

[@sandrogamer30018]

Siegward of Catarina is that you? Hmmmm...

[@crusader6991]

@@sandrogamer30018 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yes

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

Honestly I theorized something similar in the Bioware Social Network: Liara sneaks off to Andromeda with Shepard hidden (if we chose another LI) in tow regardless if there is the tech or not (good way for Bioware to ignore the support in a High Destroy ending) then when Shepard wakes up because his Asari daughter got curious we find recording sent to us by Williams (in this case sending Liara to h--- and beyond for what she pulled off) that Liara was keeping hidden from the child and Shepard and due to the feeling of essentially betrayed and r---d Shepard flees and the Tempest crew is contacted to find him and when we do we see Shepard punching the Ryder twin and then Shep steals a ship (not the Tempest) and goes on a destruction filled path destroying: pirates, Kett and Roekar outposts and ships. We as Ryder runs again into Shepard as he (in this case) is about to detonate a bomb in a Kett ship while holding the Captain hostage and we have to convince him to either die off or don't do that. Regardless of choice Ryder then learns that Williams decided to freeze herself on Stasis (at the rank of Major while also still a Spectre) and we have to bittersweetly reunite Shepard, Williams and the Asari child (it wasn't her fault) while they tell Liara to either f--- off or to keep her distance; in the event Shepard dies well, we then find out Williams committed suicide as she doesn't feel ANY connection holding her to this world and we confront Liara for all the pain she caused and the child grows up emotionally wrecked.

[@kingket4]

me seeing grunt being like an older brother type dude that would be fun to see dlc adventures with grunt