Mass Effect 4 - THIS is How the GETH Survived the Destroy Ending (probably)

[@MrHulthen]

As some have already commented, i completely forgot about the fact that the Megastructure gets destroyed in Mass Effect 3. You can find a debris field after the structure has been demolished by the Quarians. Welp, that's it for this theory :D Who knows, maybe they built another one?

[@waltfield7559]

They can simply go to the edge of the galaxy to get outside the blast radius since the mega structure got destroyed. Rannoch is already on the edge of the galaxy so it wouldn't be that unbelievable that they just went into dark space and then came back. It's not like Geth need to worry about squishes being kept alive in their ships and can push their ships to the limit to get outside the blast radius. Also that destroyed "relay" isn't destroyed, it's intact. That's Arcturus station which got destroyed in the opening of the reaper invasion. Same sun in ME3 if you go to the system, you also see in the trailer the debris of alliance cruisers/dreadnoughts as well mixed in. None as far as I can tell is from the relay itself.

[@WillMattKiller]

you answered this theory yourself, the megastructure is destroyed by the "Quarians" and this is what provokes a hostile response to the Quarians and that the Geths still accept what the Reapers offer them. But sincerely, why Bioware will not implement the possibility as in the trilogy to choose as for the psychological profile and the pre-military profile of Shepard (during the creation of the character) the fact that such end (destruction, control, synthesis) has been used by Shepard to stop or slow down the cycle? 🤔

[@guardiantree8879]

Maybe they built a smaller prototype that was beyond the reach of the blast?

[@michaelelam4594]

Honestly, a Dyson Sphere would be way more than they need. A simple O'neill cylinder would contain all the space needed for server space, and placing it near a star would provide all the power. They could have easily done this after the original megastructure destruction with much less mass, construction or time needed to complete it. Do this around a star outside of the Galaxy, and you have a nice cozy safe spot

[@AnimeShinigami13]

There are stars just outside of the Milky way that in theory they could have gone to. The blast also reached their end of the galaxy LAST. But there's something else you're forgetting, they had a telescope capable of observing the andromeda galaxy in real time. That's how the initiative found the golden worlds. The resource burden for the geth, as well as their travel time to reach andromeda would have been much less. If you can send Data, you can send a Geth. They're software, not hardware. The Geth Ark would have been a transmission, not a physical ship. If they were able to use QEC for data transfer, they could easily have gotten to Andromeda far ahead of the Initiative and already be waiting. I believe the Benefactor arranged for the Geth to copy themselves and send those copies to Andromeda. Maybe point out a nice remnant mega structure they could land in (maybe even Meridian XD just imagine if they go exploring in the under bowels of the place and find freshly made Geth! XD Ryder be like... "DAFUQ?") then the Geth use the remnant machines and resources to build themselves new bodies and use those bodies to build new hardware. Borrowing something is not the same as being handed it on a silver platter like with the Reapers. If your car is damaged in a crash, you rent a loaner from the body shop, then pay for your car to be fixed. The geth may have cut some kind of deal with the Benefactor!

[@SilverHyozanryu]

If destroy becomes the canon ending like we all think it will, I really hope there's no bad blood with the geth because of our choice. Seeing legion gain true sentience and sacrifice himself for his people genuinely brings me to tears everytime. And the resolution of the geth quarian war is so gratifying.

[@abaddon_9941]

Making geth "villains" or briefly bad guys would the biggest mistake imo.

[@flamesofchaos13]

The True Geth and EDI made it very clear to Shep that they're more than willing to sacrifice their lives to stop the Reapers. EDI point blank will say this word for word. The Geth do not seek war or conflict with Organics every single last one was started by Organics...The Heretics are heretical for a reason.

[@someguy4384]

It would make sense. Imagine putting aside your differences with someone to work with them, only to be stabbed in the back as a sacrifice for the greater good. Wouldn't go over well with me. I don't like being used.

[@cptndunsel2670]

@@flamesofchaos13 That's not entirely accurate. There are codex entries that show that the council tried to send envoys to reach out to the Geth, and that each time the Geth destroyed them without warning or explanation. The did the same thing to any organics that they found beyond the Perseus Veil, regardless of their purpose for being there. Regardless of whether you feel the Geth are in the right or not, you have to admit that they did not do themselves any favors with this behavior, and they basically created and perpetuated their own reputation as hostile machines.

[@flamesofchaos13]

@@cptndunsel2670 Trespassing into officially enemy territory is an act of aggression. Organics have made clear time and again their distaste at the very existence of Sapient A.I.'s their outright hostility through mass purging of them (genocide against the ones on the Citadel forgot what they were called if anything and attempted genocide of others). Going into another country without permission is a crime. The punishment can be confinement but in the extreme can be execution. So the facts are the Geth are legally and morally in the right to defend themselves from foriegn hostiles of unknown interests invading or trespassing into their territory. Also any attempted Council or Alliance visits would've been heavily armed convoys...It'd be like an U.S. Military Unit going over to North Korea literally inside it for an unofficial visit. There's no way in hell hostile intent isn't involved nor that it would be perceived as a peaceful expedition. None of this to mention the possibility they weren't killed by the True Geth but by Heretics in and around Geth Space. The Heretics would more than likely still claim the entirety of the territory as their own and make moves to establish a presence. Which is another thing even if one were to assume the True Geth don't see Organics as hostile entities...They're literally in a Civil War actively occurring and have no idea if these Organics could be allies of the Heretics like Saren was.

[@mistress_of_the_dark380]

I always hoped EDI and/or the Geth somehow escape destroy One can dream

[@Jdwill206]

Me too. My biggest problem with destroy was I felt I was betraying EDI and the Geth. EDI is just awesome and what was the point of resolving the Geth/Quarian conflict just to kill them in the end?

[@abaddon_9941]

@@Jdwill206 because bioware just wanted to add negatives to each ending choice which feels cheap. It IS also stated geth are software and not hardware which means it would be very unlikely just to their species entirely die in my eyes. And EDI is way more complex, because that would mean Normandy would have to be affected somehow and it creates even more plot holes.

[@Jdwill206]

@@abaddon_9941 I'll take this and put it in my head cannon that Geth and EDI are just in hibernation mode repairing any part of them affected haha

[@jenitoten2212]

Faraday Box, just saying

[@abaddon_9941]

@@Jdwill206 They should've teased that Geth only would survive if you actually got the peace choice, rewarding the player at least for that, without quarian's help geth would be dead, and same for EDI. After all, Quarians created them and would know better. Just a small cutscene of a geth lightning up or etc. The issue of endings is that no matter which one you pick, the outcomes and all that are very briefly and poorly explained.

[@illusive_Man22]

There is a problem with the theory. In ME3 we heard that the quarians take down/destroyed the megastructure while they were in the war againts the Geth. And the Geth were forced to accept the deal with the Reapers (Either with or without Heretic "help") - perhaps the megastructure wasnt completly destroyed. Or the Geth had another one or used a Death Reaper to achived that goal. But fingers cross that we can have a good explanaitin and the new ME games will be good...

[@MrHulthen]

Good point! Then i guess the Catalyst simple lied or the blast only knocked out the Geth hivemind xD

[@exbhal]

I just did that part yesterday and I was thinking the same thing.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

I happen to think the Geth transmitted themselves to Andromeda. It would have cost a lot fewer resources to do it than to move organic lifeforms. If you can send Data, you can send a Geth. And the geth did have that giant telescope made from three mass relays. The Geth "Ark" could have been a compressed data transmission via a QEC, and the Benefactor just points them to a server and loaner remnant bodies they can use to get started. When they build their own platforms, the Geth just give the remnant bodies back and set out to make their own megastructure in andromeda instead.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

@@MrHulthen or the Geth transmitted themselves to Andromeda via that giant telescope they made. they wouldn't have built that thing for no reason.

[@Talinimity]

​@@AnimeShinigami13 The reason might be the same as us building the Hubble and James Webb space telescopes. To know more about the universe and it's secrets.

[@cheper12effect]

Interesting and likely scenario, but if I remember correctly, when we reach quarian/geth stellar system, there is some debris which was part of that superstructure?

[@msutter117]

The structure was destroyed by the Quirians beginning hostilities in ME3. Legion points that out in a conversation so unfortunately unless the geth have a back up somewhere outside the galaxy it’s impossible for them to survive, looking at what is known and stated in game.

[@cheper12effect]

@@msutter117 yeah. That's my point

[@Mgl1206]

@@msutter117 from my understanding not all of it was destroyed

[@kanewilson8624]

Fun fact: the first 90% of the “Morning War” was a Civil War between the Dove (those that wanted the Geth to live) and Falcon (those that wanted the Geth to die) factions. It was only when the last Dove was killed or otherwise removed did the Geth even begin to fight back. The Geth are basically a crying child holding a shotgun at an abusive father that’s wailing down on their mother.

[@SeverusHunt]

Where did you get this information from? It's not in the trilogy.

[@kanewilson8624]

@@SeverusHunt actually it was, it’s called background storytelling. Remember? The hostile quarians attacked the non hostile quarians during Legions explanation first only, using more and more extreme methods with Geth even offering to turn themselves in to be destroyed if it meant an end for hostilities for their masters. THEN later, (implied that time had passed with only the Eagle faction was left as there are no Dove Quarians shown in the barn scene where the Geth first fought back(Legion even laments that this scene was the first time that the Geth fough) when the Quarians were rounding up Geth for destruction, without the presence of any Dove Quarians, the Geth (the first being the farm unit) was forced to take drastic measures to ensure both its survival and the survival of its weaker counterparts. Legion then comments as he shows the recordings of the Quarians fleeing their home that this scene happened not long after the previous one.

[@blackouthorus1519]

@@kanewilson8624 its implied that farming unit was legion hence the giant sniper rifle that legion is known to carry is picked up in that scene .

[@cptndunsel2670]

@@kanewilson8624 What is your source for any of this? Because if you are referring to the Geth Consensus mission, all it show us is that there were some Quarians who sympathized with the Geth. There was no mention of an 'eagle' or 'dove' faction, or anything else that you are saying here.

[@kanewilson8624]

@@cptndunsel2670 you obviously never heard of background storytelling before

[@devinnasar3014]

It's also possible that the Quarians decided to reactivate the Geth after the blast - The two species had just begun a partnership that was about to pay off bigtime for the Quarians: planetary acclimation within 1-2 generations. Also, It had just been proven that there was a significant moral duty that the Quarians had to the Geth to repay them for the injustice that led to the Morning War. Also I think Claudia Black's character lives to the end, so she probably had something to do with it too.

[@johnP0908]

True, and the Crucible only targeted Synthetic LIFE specifically so data stored in servers or drives are safe. Tali on ME1 has stated that it's possible to salvage data even if the geth has a failsafe of self deleting data within their hardware, we don't even know how specifically destroy actually affect the reapers or Synthetics, in the destroy ending we don't actually see reapers getting blown up by this choice, they just fall down and seemed to be intact. and the Starchild also stated that Synthetics CAN be repaired.

[@axelnilsson5124]

There’s nothing to reactivate as we see husks in the destroy ending getting obliterated by the wave and geth have human sized platforms just like husks

[@timtam4life733]

I think the most reasonable explanation is that the geth could've been repaired by the quarians. In the destroy ending, it is explicitly stated by the starchild that whatever damage is done to machines can in fact be fixed which is shown by the buildings, relays and citadel being fixed. It's not unreasonable to assume that the quarians can fix the geth considering they are the ones that built them in the first place.

[@Talinimity]

@@EggEnjoyer Well... Yes and no. Geth are conscious, yes, but you can still store their memories, for the lack of a better analogue, on a hard drive and just reupload the memories on a newly constructed body.

[@sakatasun6857]

What the star child meant was they would regain the level of technology they had but would have to start over. They basically went back to the stone age

[@halolasomaster3900]

Take a magnet to your PCs hard drive then *rebuild it*

[@johnP0908]

@@sakatasun6857 nah, why call it the stone age when they still have the data to rebuild even after destroying the Reapers, mind you, the Catalyst did say the Crucible will target Synthetic LIFE. not raw data or fragments of code.

[@axelnilsson5124]

The destroy ending isn’t an EMP we see husks get obliterated by the wave and geth are human shaped like the husks so they were likely obliterated as well

[@DeusNyx]

The catalyse said; "you are part synthetic" dropping hints that destroy will kill Shepard, but as we know Shepard survives, strongly suggesting all/most synthetic survived. Also...the Geth built the telescope that was looking at Andromeda, that the initiative uses. And there's a Dyson sphere in Mass Effect Andromeda, 600yrs later. Makes you think doesn't it?

[@AnimeShinigami13]

actually it's a shell world, not a dyson. a solid dyson sphere is physically impossible. rather it's a swarm of giant space habitats around a star making use of its light. Meridian does not enclose a star and is much more mobile. It's much smaller than a star. That's how you can tell.

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

She survived in your ending because she was organic too.

[@Drew-vn8rx]

Idk why anyone would trust the boy anyway. He could be lying about everything

[@AnimeShinigami13]

@@Drew-vn8rx The answer lies in futurism concepts. If you know the ideas at the root of the reapers and dig into accounts of their harvesting and the visual sequence in ME2 of their harvesting, the characteristics of ME technology, what little of the dark energy plot is left, you realize what the reapers are doing. They're digitizing people's minds to preserve them for the cold dark end of the universe. The reapers combine 3 answers to the fermi paradox, the simulation argument, the aestivation hypothesis and the zoo hypothesis. A channel called Isaac Arthur has done deep dive videos on all three. And watching his channel has given me a new perspective on Mass Effect. I simply throw out any part of the conversation not about the Reapers history and stated goal of "the harvest."

[@amenax21]

I unfortunately believe that Shepard only survives because what was left of their organic body did. I see them as probably half-brain dead after all the synthetic parts died

[@AssassinOfMusic1]

Hello. I'm currently playing Andromeda. In a conversation with Suvi about how they were able to monitor Andromeda, she said that The Initiative discovered a Geth construct in deep space. Geth managed to rebuild Mass relay and turn the approaching FTL sensor to telescope. Maybe Liara is looking for this technology that will help them rebuild Mass relays or guard the Milky way from future alien invasions.

[@ryankohnenkamp8946]

6:40 Remember, the Catalyst says "targeted" not destroyed. Maybe the Crucible didn't have a good enough "firing solution" and just "fired from the hip", and thus didn't get all the Geth (or Reapers)...

[@williamdesler9894]

mass effect 4 DLC with a small number of reapers would be perfect. hope you are right

[@mervjohnson8010]

FUN FACT: There is a type of dyson sphere (swarm) called a Matrioshka Brain. This is likely what the Geth were specifically aiming for.

[@erikgenis7116]

Vary interesting 🤔

[@BuntM4gnet]

Another recent thought about this is: And if the Geths reached a point where there are not considered synthetics, but organics? When you think about it, the catalyst does not mention the thin line that separates one from the other. At the end of the Rannoch mission, Geths are provided a mind and a free will by Shepard. After that, why if the catalyst does not think they are synthetics anymore?

[@daggermore]

I like the theory bc Legion and Tali confirm this in Mass Effect 3. They state that the geth are software, not hardware. Legion's assertion of immortality ( i.e., time doesn't have the same meaning for the geth) hints at a way for BioWare to include the geth in the next Mass Effect. Besides, you don't need a megastructure for the geth. All you need is a storage device, like on PC's you can store data on DVD's. Given enough time someone will stumble upon the device and reactivate it.

[@count-countess8464]

what is a race without its history/memories? i like your idea.

[@HeWhoComments]

I think it makes sense the Geth could’ve survived by going just outside the reach of the galaxy, considering they’re already quite close to the “edge” Also, red ending go brrrr haha

[@HagathaHexMe]

I always wanted to believe that the Catalyst was wrong about all synthetic life being wiped out since in the perfect ending Shepard, despite being half synthetic, survives when the Catalyst tells him he will die. Shepard was at the center of the blast, so if he can survive then I'm sure the ever ready Geth can and maybe even some part of EDI. It looks like the blast targeted Reaper tech specifically, so maybe these synthetics who have both assimilated Reaper tech into themselves and improved upon its design making it their own wont be as heavily effected as the Catalyst believed.

[@flamesofchaos13]

Thing to note though is Shepard is a Human being...Yeah sure a Cyborg but the majority of them is still Organic. Even then they're alive but clearly not in good shape. It does damage Synthetics every piece of tech at the very least. But yeah damage can be fixed...The problem is that EDI and the Geth are software not hardware and even if copies are made it's not the original beings Legion and EDI would still be gone.

[@johnP0908]

@@flamesofchaos13 But since they're software, fragments of their code could be salvaged and stored elsewhere. remember, the Catalyst only targeted Synthetic LIFE. meaning that technology designed only for data storage is safe. Also in ME1, Tali herself stated that there's a way of recovering data even if the Geth has a defense mechanism that deletes their own data once their hardware was captured. so that's also a hint that this universe are technically adept enough to salvage data.

[@WardenHill]

I too like to think that the Star Child was low key lying in order to keep you from destroying all the reapers. But idk haha anything is possible.

[@samuelmartinez8106]

Entonces porque te daria la opcion de elegir en primer lugar, ademas con extendet cut se puede ver que los Geth y SID murieron (almenos de momento)

[@ExternalDialogue]

It is canon that he does. He says all synthetics will be destroyed, says that Shepard is partially synthetic. Yet Shepard lives. Meaning that yeah, the Catalyst lied to prevent us from picking destroy.

[@cptndunsel2670]

I have always had a big problem with the 'Star Child is lying' theory. If it is capable of lying, then why tell Shepard about the destroy option in the first place? Surely if it can lie, it can also lie by omitting information right? It sucks about EDI and the Geth, but honestly I think you are all just trying to cope. No offense.

[@Mr.turne4293]

The AI of the Reapers has 2 goals in the decision making of the crucible being fully functional, to preserve itself and the reapers and protect all organic life at all cost by continue the cycle. The AI has never seen in their calculations during the many cycles someone like Shepard coming along and literally uniting all life both organic and synthetic. The reapers goal was to keep organic life from creating synthetic life that could one day destroy them. The quarians by accident created the Geth, and that began the cycle of the geth evolving but they didn't reach true singularity until around the time of Shepard being around after their death and resurrection then eventually thanks to legion uploading a code from the reapers to help the geth become a race that has a hivemind but a people with individuality as well. Hell even EDI was created from VI that Shepard shut down in Mass effect 1 with codes from sovereign the first reaper that has been destroyed in many cycles. But she didn't gain true singularity until Joker unshackled her to save the Normandy from the collectors. The destroy ending has implications because Bioware wanted each ending to have a consequence if you didn't go all out for war assets to complete the crucible properly and to get Shepard to live in the destroy ending. Honestly I'm not sure if the geth or EDI could've survived but i like to believe in some regard that the AI that controlled the reapers was lying to you to avoid them being destroyed and continue their mission.

[@johnP0908]

@@cptndunsel2670 Simple, since they've been observing Organic life throughout billions of years it's not possible that they have a comprehensive knowledge of Psychology, why hide the ONLY choice when they can create an illusion of creating a more favorable peaceful option. Following how each game ended the pattern is clear, that Destroy has the consistent ending throughout the past 2 games. Theoretically, Choosing Synthesis or Control are just a trap for the Reapers to completely indoctrinate Shepard. so in a way, the Indoctrination Theory might be correct, but it's only accurate AFTER making a choice of Synthesis/Control.

[@msutter117]

I can find one glaring hole in the theory, the Dyson sphere structure you were referring to was destroyed and never finished. It was supposed to house all geth to end there isolation. Unfortunately the quirians destroyed it starting hostilities. Legion mentions it in ME3. So unless the geth have a back up which it’s stated only one existed by legion it won’t actually work if you look at what’s known and not speculated. So they’ll probably retcon the endings of ME 3 into something that allows the reapers to be destroyed while preserving all synthetics somehow. If the catalyst was telling the truth then no, the theory won’t work. But if he’s lying possibly.

[@janeshepard9549]

Aha, so you made it. I was curious as to why you would ask such a question. Happy to help you as always, dear Hulthen :)

[@moontan.]

@3:19 Legion doesn't say that a Dyson sphere will be created, but that a megastructure analogous to a Dyson sphere will be created. So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the structure surrounding a bright star at 0.21 in the Game Awards Teaser Trailer is the structure that was created and houses Geth memories. The Geth still live!

[@kylegivens3120]

I always did like the sound of Legion's voice. And the way the Geth think. The Geth and the Quarians as well as the Asari are the most interesting alien species in Mass Effect in my opinion.

[@count-countess8464]

they made the series for me

[@ooberguy12]

That would be interesting to see them as a Kardeshev Type II society xD great video!

[@MagicSpud]

Since everyone has already pointed to the Dyson Sphere being destroyed, I want to present a possible alternate notion as to how some Geth could have survived the Destroy ending. We know that the crucible sends a blast of energy that is picked up by the Mass Relays and sent along their trajectories in order to make the effects felt across the entire galaxy. But wait, it just so happens that there is without a shadow of a doubt ONE place in the galaxy that is cut off from the Mass Relay network during the events of Mass Effect 3: The Bahak System. Former home to Aratoht, hundreds on thousands of Batarians, and the Alpha Relay which would have spearheaded the Reaper invasion sooner if not for Shepard turning it all into star dust. Wouldn't this otherwise inhospitable, isolated, and first area to fall under Reaper control make for a good safe haven some Heretic Geth could be sequestered at?

[@tjvan679]

That is actually a really good point. Is possible the main geth consensus - at least some of it - could have escaped there as well. During the fight for earth, the Reaper forces were concentrated there in the Sol system to guard the Catalyst. It is entirely possible that some of the geth moved some processors and data banks into the Bahak system while the Reapers were preoccupied with stopping Shepard. And if I recall correctly, the Reapers move on once they've destroyed a system. It was revealed by Balak that the Reapers hit that system first, pretty much wiping out the Batarians. Since that system was hit first, it's likely the Reapers left it alone by the ending of the reaper war

[@sasharudyy3587]

@@tjvan679 but how could have they known that the crucible would destroy all synthetic life and not just the reapers? They were occupied fighting in the last battle over earth (even tho we don't see them) and those not fighting were helping on Rannoch

[@DMBLaan]

Another possibility, that can both work with this theory or on it's own, is the Geth had a way to tell the majority of they race to temporarily shut down all functions only to be revived later. Like suspended animation of organics. They would have effectively been "dead" during the blast, which would have taken more time to go everywhere then for the Geth to warn each other, and then either on they're own or with the help of organic races like the Quarians be revived.

[@Thoridin58]

My theory is that the Geth were studying the Andromeda Galaxy and sent their own version of an Ark. Once arriving they would begin creating a massive Mass Relay to the Milky Way. Possibly arriving first, they begin their task of constructing the relay when the Quarian Ark arrives. The Quarians immediately find themselves facing their old enemy (and maybe the Kett) and send out their warning to the other Arks. However the scenario plays out, the Relay is completed and opens a path back to the Milky Way. Neither side is aware of the events in the Milky Way. Having been in Dark Space during the events of ME3, the Geth in Andromeda are not affected by the Destroy ending but they also do not receive the uploaded Reaper code from Legion. They are therefore the same as the Geth encountered in ME1. With the Andromeda Relay operational, the Geth and Organics can now travel back to the Milky Way.

[@flamesofchaos13]

Yes!

[@HyperMk58]

I like this theory, is it possible that harbinger infected the "Mega structure" and that's how they can go rogue again? I mean I wouldn't like to see the reapers again but they could have left a "Sovereign" at their hibernating space to guard it while they go fight the galaxy and then once the reaper realized the loss it would try and find a plan to revive themselves and that causes it to discover the "mega structure" with geth in it and it can either manipulate the geth into believing that Shepard destroyed the geth at the galaxy or force itself into them by connecting to the mega structure.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

the reapers don't want competitors. you either get preserved within them as a subserviant race of uploaded minds, OR you die. They would likely consider the Geth an even greater threat than Shepard. Shepard is one organic, he/she will live for about a century and die. They can wait out Shepard's lifetime if they need to. But the geth are immortal!

[@JotapeRR]

The Geth just found a way to get more advanced than the reapers :P

[@johndrozewski7071]

I always thought it was strange that the Reapers were only active in the Milky Way Galaxy. After millions of years they never left our galaxy to reap organic life elsewhere? So what if there was an unknown relay leading to another galaxy? Maybe the Geth found it and used it to find a new home before the final events of ME3. Also I always believed the Catalyst was lying to Shepherd to save itself from destruction

[@DissedRedEngie]

The leviathan AI probably just thought that its mission was constrained to the milkyway. That's where it was created, and that's where the leviathans still are.

[@Hostyl176]

That sounds like you are on the right track, with some Geth being outside the Milky Way. Well, that would be the angle that ties in with Andromeda. It is said in the game that the Geth were studying dark space and it was Geth tech that helped the initiative locate 'Golden Worlds'. It would only take a few Geth outside of the Milky Way to maintain the race. If the organics escaped the Milky Way, why not the Geth?

[@StarryDrukhari]

What if the mysterious Benefactor is actually the Geth?

[@Rekaert]

Honestly, anything's on the table for 4, including just ignoring the Geth extinction, even though I reckon Destroy will turn out to be canonical. The Star Child is clearly deceiving Shepard, if not outright lying to him/her. It adopts the image of the child from Shepard's nightmares in order to manipulate him, disguises its actual voice in the process and shows clear preference when it comes to the endings. Essentially, Control if you really must, Synthesis yes please, and don't you dare go near that destroy ending you meatbag. It implies heavily that Shepard will die if that choice is taken, yet we know that is not necessarily true if enough effort has been put into preparing the galaxy. Far too many people forget that for all intent and purpose, the Star Child IS the Reapers as a whole and is responsible for genocide after genocide and relies heavily on Indoctrination. As the games have drummed into us repeatedly by this point, it is an implacable enemy and not to be trusted for a moment. Just because it has the appearance of a human child with a sweet voice, we're hard-coded to start trusting it. Replace that model with a Reaper and change its voice to Harbinger's, and see how many players trust it then. Narratively, it's a short step from there to allowing the Geth to survive, and even Edi insofar as her central core if that's what they want to do. There are certainly a myriad of ways to do it without them being too much of a stretch.

[@andrewlaidlaw7975]

The Geth superstructure hiding just outside the milky way makes sense, asuming that the geth weren't also working on a plan B, C etc to transmit (in full or just a copy) themselves to andromeda & other areas

[@cedricdevos5793]

Another great video MrHulten :D Geth technology was also used for the Nexus project in Andromeda, would completely make sense that either some geths were outside of the Milky Way and thus just out of reach of the destroy zone, or that somehow a part of the megastructure or any collective data was kept. Other point: destruction of synthetics (reapers or geths) doesn't wipe out the body. Someone could perfectly "reconnect" geths (Admiral Xen => plenty of platforms available for experimentation :p)

[@foreaces4651]

The Quarians survived with their suits intact, so uploaded Geth probably survived in them also.

[@Amy_T85]

To build on your theory: maybe that’s how Shepard survived. It started when Legion uploaded Shepard into the Geth consensus & he secretly saved a copy of Shepard’s mind into the Geth database in the megastructure to possibly be uploaded back into Shepard’s body (either their original from ME3 or a rebuilt one like the Lazarus Project). Maybe that’s what Liara was searching for: helping the Geth find Shepard’s body to upload Shepard’s mind back into it. I don’t know … that’s my speculation & I seriously could end up being wrong 🤷‍♀️

[@Talinimity]

Except the megastructure was destroyed by the quariand in me3

[@TheStartrek99]

Bioware writers: *furiously scribbling notes*

[@legionkahn]

I always figured if the Geth were to return it will be because they were outside the galaxy when the decimation happens. Either by your idea or some other such as some Geth had been out in dark space searching for the Reapers or some other scenerio. It will be interesting to see if the Geth blame organics for all the destruction or if they will see it as a the only option to stop the Reapers once and for all. If any of the Heritics survived will they be trying to avenge their fallen gods?

[@count-countess8464]

that sounds cool

[@juzoli]

Catalyst lied? I don’t think so. Simply ignoring part of the story and calling it a lie (or dream, if you remember Dallas) is a very cheap idea, they only use it as a last resort, and people are always laughing at it. Also their destruction entirely makes sense too, if we see how the catalyst works. It would be a surprise if it would specifically spare them… I see 2 other ways they could survive: - The Crucible doesn’t necessarily affect the whole galaxy. It is based on the mass relays, so locations far from relays might be unaffected. And the geth has already demonstrated that they like to have stations far away from everything, for example the heretic station. But it may also mean that they missed the final upgrade too, so they are not that smart. This is also a cool idea because it enables some cool new races and enemies. Like ancient races hiding from Reapers, for example Protheans, or surviving Reapers. - Machines can be repaired. What if the Geth bodies has survived as shells, and somebody fixed and restarted them? These are not the same Geths then as software was lost along memories. But they might’ve started their evolution again from scratch.

[@cptndunsel2670]

People who say that the Catalyst was lieing are just huffing copium, because they don't like the idea that killing the Reapers also means killing the Geth and EDI.

[@rjlolatte1]

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past bioware to retcon the ending and say something like "No that was a lie harbinger told as he *was* trying to indoctrinate shepherd". While I don't necessarily agree with the indoctrination theory, I can fully see bioware using it as a justification to make whatever changes to the canon ending they want.

[@jeffreyfrancisfish7825]

I agree, because In Andromeda the mention the geth built a telescope of sorts to look outside of the Milky Way Galaxy. Maybe that is where they wanted to build the Dyson sphere.

[@larbearskitchen3990]

At the end of the Quarian arc, Legion states that uploading the reaper code will “give the Geth free will, a true intelligence” Is that enough of a loophole for BioWare to say that the Geth survived the destroy ending without having to be rebuilt by the quarians? Perhaps the crucible would not see them as artificial intelligence anymore?

[@NopeAndYep]

The upgrades they received gave them a cellular structure. Legion shows you this. He always asks if he has a soul. I think this may be the answer.

[@axelnilsson5124]

Wasn’t there no geth in the ending narration when we briefly visited rannoch?

[@garwynrosser8907]

Megastructure aside... It's possible that Geth stowed away on the Qarian Ark during Andromeda. When the Ark hit the scourge it would of actived the Geth and the resulting battle caused the ship to crash on their busted up "golden world"

[@laurenteb6888]

Or maybe they have downlaoded a unit in one Arch before their departure to Andromeda ...

[@nonebeliever5321]

Well in control you as the new reaper god could tell them to have someone clone you again but make it brain dead then upload your brain to it, the same thing could be said about synthesis, and in destroy Shepard lives anyway but still this things could have been done

[@ExternalDialogue]

Uhhhh, no. you can find the remains of the megastructure in orbit around Ranoch's sun in Mass Effect 3. The battle with the quarians led to its destruction. However. We do know for a fact that the child thing lied. As it said that all synthetics would be destroyed, and that Shepard is part synthetic. Yet the destroy ending is the one where Shepard explicitly is still alive. Even if that just means that you have to be partially organic to survive, if you got the ally ending to the rannoch arc the geth upload themselves in quarian environment suits. It would be believable that these would have survived even with the minimal amount of lying on part of the star kid.

[@Soupvida]

does anyone know what the minimum fleet power you need for the shepard survives ending

[@DS-wl5pk]

I seriously hope there's an out for EDI like this. It was basically a big ass EMP that they hit the galaxy with. You can tell since it also knocked out other electronics. I also better have my Shepard back cause Tali needs me and I'm still sad ASF about her saying I was her home before going off to explode

[@warwolf3005]

They could always use the explanation that the geth had some remote mining bases or contingency bases, meant to facilitate their survival, even if their main holdings were destroyed. In the similar manner they could come up with some small parts of reaper forces surviving by being simply very far away from the blast.

[@Phoenix27272]

One possibility is that the Geth had an ark, and that the Nexus is a mass relay. That's how we'll get them back. That being said. The Geth on that ark might be unaware of the resolution of the Geth/Quarian conflict so this Geth may be unaware that peace was achieved, and wouldn't have Legion's upgrades.

[@the_infinexos]

On ME3 right now in the Legendary edition, full Paragon run and about to do the Quarian/Geth arc. I'm gonna wait now to see what to pick for the new game

[@SniperKing5]

In my opinion it seems quite likely that the Catalyst lied about the Destroy option. The way I see it, he implied that Shepard would die if he chose that option by mentioning that he too is partially synthetic. And as we all know, Shepard survives that ending if you had accumulated enough war assets.

[@skynet0912]

There's one MAJOR flaw in your argument: Legion in ME3 tells us that they were in the proces of uploading to the mega structure, when the Quarians attacked. He explains that they didn't have enough surplus hardware to save all programs already uploaded, and that some were lost forever, making self preservation take priority, and the Quarian generals also states that they had "driven them back" to the home system... This tells us a few things. It tells us that the majority of remaining Geth would be on Rannoch to safeguard their existence under the leadership of the Reapers, leaving only pockets of Geth outside the conflict, as the Asari councilar says after resolving the war peacefully, that they found pockets of Geth containing Reaper code. It also tells us that whatever device was somewhere the Quarians could easily find it, and what was built was abandoned to fight the new war, and that it would be unusable by the upgraded Geth, as they would be fully individual at that point, and likely have no desire (or even ability) to link together anymore like they did when networked. So to make any real sense without MASSIVE retcons, the Geth would have needed to be outside the influence of the galaxy wide destruction. For a bit of an easier explanation, they could make it so the blast was designed for the Reapers (which it would have been), and wasn't specifically designed to destroy EVERY synthetic species, meaning that as long as pockets of Geth or even EDI was shielded well enough, or just far underground, the blast might just deactivate them for a while, instead of outright destroying them like the Reapers... We have no idea about the specifics of how the blast works, and it could be basicly just an EMP of sorts, and if your synthetic species wasn't on the same "frequnecy" as the reapers, the blast might just disrupt their functions for a while, and they were just in a synthetic version of a coma, waiting for their systems to recover...

[@Hollocska111]

If the organics could build the Arks secretly and fast, the Geth could do the same. But then Legion was not entirely honest... and that wouldnt be the first time! Still, this megastructure would need a shitton of resources in the times of the invasion, and the quarian attack, so thats the weak spot of your theory. But still, its pretty solid.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

or the Benefactor directed them to a Remnant mega structure they could transmit to in exchange for staying out of the way of the incoming organics and hiding from the Kett and Angara. You aren't thinking about them properly. Geth are software. They have no body unless they make one.

[@Fissiccisst1]

That depends on when Legion was created. If I recall correctly, he's a completely independent platform not connected to the consensus, which accomplished by him having a far higher number of geth loaded into his platform to allow him sentience in a single body. Its entirely possible that he simply doesn't know cause he hasn't linked up with The Consensus since the Arks started getting made. That or the idea that Legion decided to keep it to itself as mentioning the Arks he deemed would be too distracting to the mission of the reapers, and Legion calculated that mentioning the Arks would lower the chances of success.

[@enaxtry]

My canon was always that Catalyst was lying and destroy ending killed only pure reaper technology, not any modifications like Geth or even Edi. Because if Catalyst was right and it would really kill any kind of reaper-based technology , Shepard wouldn't survive at the end. And because we saw them breating it means it didn't kill them. So Geth could be only damaged but not wiped out.

[@payableondeath7]

If it does come down to the catalyst lying, I hope all the babies that bitched and moaned for years about the ending of ME3 come out again against it because that is the biggest fucking cop out they could possibly do. May as well just have it being Shepard's dream that they wake up from

[@gideonschlen4022]

Legion talking about Dyson Sphere and finding one in Andromeda is a remarkable coincidence.

[@nathanielaprill5299]

The reveal trailer shows the megastructure right of the bat. 0:20 of the official teaser trailer is a larger disc-like ring. I could be that it wasn't finished but someone/thing ends up reactivating the megastructure. we imagine it as a full sphere, but it could be that the gravitational spin of a disc could provide the energy as well leaving the structure able to survive the inevitable death of the star.

[@quinlanjones6047]

All of the sudden, that “metal” ring around the star in the teaser trailer is starting to make more sense…

[@lowlsqwid]

I think the Catalyst is full of shit and told Shepard that he was synthetic and would die to put him off from destroying the reapers. hoping that some form of indoctrination still in him would allow the reapers to live as a form of self preservation. Since ME2, shepherds body is literally more machine than man and if the destroy option really killed all electronics like an EMP then theres no way Shepherd could live or breathe. My theory is that the Destroy option specifically targets Reaper Tech and things augmented with it or things that function at the same wave length that reapers do to make the emp make more sense. The Normandy and EDI get taken down because of the Reaper IFF from ME2 either destroying them both or deleting the Reaper code.

[@22RiaKon22]

The lore from Andromeda about the geth "mass telescope" is also fitting this theory. Good one. Also, I liked your passion about ME from the beginning, but tbh didn't like your vids much. Hopped there having nothing to watch and must say you went a long way since those days. I really liked this one. Will probably not hesitate to click on another vids of yours. Good work :)

[@MrHulthen]

I've done my best to improve! What would you say was the main issue with my older videos (for future reference heh)

[@22RiaKon22]

@@MrHulthen I guess a lack of experience. Especially in speach on camera and pacing. In my eyes tech is always secondary for a youtuber. You need a vision, good speeking skills, be charismatic or likeable and be able to edit vids in a way that's not anoying. All that expensive stuff comes later when you master all above. I think if you keep on and sill like doing this, you can be one of the main ME-fan channels when ME4 starts it's heavy marketing. Also, I really liked the combo of you and Dan. Could maybe make it an irregular regular :)

[@primezero86]

It's mentioned in andromeda that they used geth tech ftl telescopes to scan helius so the geth could use that to also scout out a location on a extra galactic sun or even in a dwarf galaxy orbiting out own that's a lot closer than andromeda.

[@ScentedArsenal]

Fantastic channel! Subbed really enjoyed getting back into the lore once playing legendary I'm reliving this rich universe once again thank you!

[@Eirik_Jarl]

Another possibility is that there is a group of Geth (maybe even contained in their megastructure) that did not get the Reaper code upgrade from Rannoch. Recall that the Destroy ending targets Reaper CODE, not Reaper material, which is why EDI and the Geth post-Rannoch were (supposedly) affected. This is all assuming that the Intelligence wasn't just lying about that too, but I still found it interesting. Love the content, love the theory, and keep up the great work!

[@shanethewatcher6163]

Very interesting theory. Nothing stopping the Geth from figuring out how to build a secret mass relay like the Protheans did, so they could jump out of the galactic plane to an orbiting star. The problem with this is that those stars and star clusters tend to be poor in heavy metals due to a lack of star formation. I guess if they picked a large enough cluster, they could harvest the material needed from all the local stars in that cluster located outside the galactic plane

[@theman149]

What about the Quarian ark? Maybe they brought some proto-Geth along and that is what's causing their problems teased at the end of Andromeda. Something to think about...

[@anteplibela]

possibility of some geth surviving? nice, now i'll be feeling a little bit better everytime i play the games because i always choose red ending :D

[@timesthree5757]

What! You scare me. The geth should die. I don't even talk to legion. I would rather let wrex live than than the geth. I wish their was an option to shoot legion.

[@anteplibela]

@@timesthree5757 damn bro chill

[@timesthree5757]

@@anteplibela NO! AI tech is one of the top 3 scariest shit I ever heard.

[@msutter117]

I always do control with Paragon Shepard or synthesis. With the geth as full AI and EDI becoming essentially a synthetic human I just can’t see myself killing synthetics. Besides to me if it can think like a human machine or not it’s alive.

[@timesthree5757]

@@msutter117 nope. Can't watched terminator and I robot and Battle Star Galactica too many time. Ide is just a toaster and the geth are the equivalent to the Quorians. They gotta die.

[@BaxsStudios]

Maybe people can just repair geth? And then geth repair some geths? Sounds pretty cheap but still.

[@IIAnaxiezzII]

Great explanation and something I’ve been saying since before the new game was even announced. A couple of things tho. 1• No matter what anyone says no ending is leading towards canon. The devs, and actors have repeatedly stated numerous times nothing is “canon” in Mass Effect. 2• The trailer doesn’t canonise the destroy ending. What’s in trailers for mass effect historically is not informative of choices that were made in previous games. For example, the trailer for Mass Effect 3 clearly showed Ash fighting with Shepard. But that doesn’t mean that her surviving Virmire is the “canon” choice. It’s the same for the new trailer. Reapers showing as being destroyed does not mean destroy is the ending they’re going for. It’s just the one out of many possibly scenarios BioWare chose to show in the trailer. It doesn’t make sense for BioWare to “canonise” an ending and tread on the toes of so much of it’s fanbase intentionally. One of Mass Effect’s defining features was that your choices carried over into following games. If BioWare didn’t want to include all those possible choices and scenarios, they just wouldn’t have bothered connecting it to the trilogy at all. It’s much easier. This is precisely what makes this new game so exciting. The fact BioWare have chosen to reference the trilogy, suggests they fully intend to include follow throughs for each and every one of those possible choices you could make in the trilogy.

[@roberthollar3409]

The geth poster... is in Andromeda

[@luvgupta5152]

The relays and citadel also get destroyed in the synthesis ending also so it can't be certain that the destroy ending is cannon.

[@SeverusHunt]

The Reapers mend them. Liara is not green

[@WKIN7]

plus the geth were the ones who “peeked” at andromeda galaxy first by connecting or building i think 3 mass relays which acted as a “telescope”to andromeda then discovered by a quarian on pilgrimage thus the andromeda “initiative” idea originally began. as for edi.. theres alot of ideas and possibilities she can exist she did say her cyber warfare was constantly evolving if geth can distribute their “consciousness” in alot of ways edi definitely can too.

[@hilotakenaka]

Personally I think in my opinion, the crucible lied about the purpose of the beam, as it’s weird that the control ending affected only the reapers and not all beings, yet destroy and synthesis did. It’s entirely possible that he lied about it destroying ALL synthetic life and only affected those with Reaper Technology

[@superbobcat8997]

I just realised, the poster has vague similarities of a geth, the crater could resemble a geth head and the centre of the crash looks like one of their eyes

[@AleHernandez]

Remember the Alpha Relay Shepard destroyed on ME2 DLC? (Before ME3) it is suppose that the Mass Relay were the medium of distribution to the blast (maybe something like EMP) that was pinging from relay to relay across the Milky Way, but all Mass relays are missing one. so in that part of the Galaxy there was no Mass relay to propagate the Destroy Blast, ergo. any artificial life in that place will not be killed. Also what if the Mass relay Network was not so well distributed and were more gaps pockets in which area the Destruction, or any other of the 3 Blast could not reach?

[@KirksDrumRoom]

Isn't Meridian, in Mass Effect Andromeda, a Dyson Sphere? Could the Geth have found a way to get to Andromeda way before the other races, and build it there?

[@SeverusHunt]

I remind you that Meridian was built by Jardaan. And the Jardaan arrived in the Heleus Cluster in 1600 BC. And the Geth were created in 1858 AD

[@KirksDrumRoom]

@@SeverusHunt I totally forgot about when the Jardaan showed up. Thanks!

[@ElSombraRegio7]

Considering the trailer shows a series of dead reapers and the poster shows geth / quarians. It may be safe to assume Ronach, ans if so. It may be safe to assume the Geth maybe hijackes a dead reaper or left a trail to be reuploaded down the line into a dead reaper. It would mean peace between the geth & quarians or a geth victory would have to be cannon but it atleast leaves enough trail crumbs to assume this could be what happens.

[@ElSombraRegio7]

And if peace was achieved by the Quarians & Geth or if the Normandy Squad cared enough (which by end game they do) then its possible with how cautious the Geth are to preserve themselves. Maybe they were proactive and theorized this outcome. Left a way to bring them back. I wouldnt be surprised if ME4 is doing just that. Reviving the Geth is the plot goal, because a new terror awaits and it'll take reuniting and bringing back everyone to overcome them.

[@imarseti353]

*MrHulthen uploads a Mass Effect video* Me: I'm so happy right now.

[@tjvan679]

Could be that the debris seen in the trailer circling the bright blue light (possibly a star) is the geth Dyson sphere itself, or a hint at it. I imagine the geth consensus didn't exactly have access to a lot of resources since they hardly ever strayed from the Veil (and hardly any organics attempted entering the Veil too), so they'd have to create the sphere from scavenged parts and debris. We already see evidence of the geth being scavengers, as Legion used a piece of Shephard's old armor to make repairs (even if he had other reasons for choosing the armor). Incidentally, i imagine the Morning War would have left them with a lot of debris to build with. Same for the war for Rannoch. Just my thoughts on this. ^^

[@andreaslim1336]

In mass effect andromeda, Suvi the pilot said geth rebuilt a mass relay located in deep space and turned it into an FTL telescope to observe other galaxies. I guess this is how geth is making return on next mass effect?

[@lyasu69]

As always.. great job thank you

[@Phoenixoflife56]

The problem is that legion conforms that the megastructure was destroyed in the opening weeks of the war with Tali’s people which it was the destruction of the megastructure that causes the Geth to ally with the reapers out of desperation. Kinda difficult for the Geth to rebuild it even if they had the help of Tali’s people. Although there’s another possibility and that’s the Geth that chose to transfer themselves into Quarian suits which could have saved them.

[@terryautry6493]

as you know, legion in mass effect 2 stated that geth are actually software, not hardware. that means the units are all software but the hardware is what they are integrated into. so yes they can survive

[@Nman222223]

A good rule of thumb to follow about the star brat is that he is a constant liar, and said that in the destroy ending, because he is the master of the reapers and that was his self preservation mode. If he told the truth, what if a reaper uploaded itself into the “geth safe house” that would be a cool plot to follow because of betrayed trust in organics, and a revenge plot.

[@kylelawhead2826]

Its said in andromeda that they used geth tech to look for viable worlds in andromeda. Could have been a build up to say that some geth went there instead and thus not only gives the geth a way to come back but also an additional way to tie in ME:A.

[@michaelwarga3916]

I believed the Catalyst was lying because I chose "destroy" in my first play through, before the extended cut was released, EDI was one of my squadmates and therefore was one of the characters seen after the Normandy crash lands. She's a synthetic, yet survived. Therefore, the Catalyst lied.

[@MantraHerbInchSin]

I always think it is so cool they want to build a freaking Dyson Sphere. That would be insane, more insane than the Citadel by far. Well, it was built by the Reapers, so techwise perhaps not, but damn

[@ITzUberPeanutButter]

I think that if anything since the quarians survived the destroy ending that they can actually take a already dead geth and deconstruct it and relearn how they did it and recreate the geth from that and their brightest minds that still survived.

[@axelnilsson5124]

The geth didn’t just shut down we saw husks get obliterated by the wave and geth platforms are human in size

[@ITzUberPeanutButter]

@@axelnilsson5124 geth and reapers while yes are synthetics, you still have reaper corpses in the next mass effect, not like they got obliterated. Have you seen the destroy ending? The reapers shut down and fall down. The geth aren't remade flesh forms of previous life like all the reapers main forces.

[@axelnilsson5124]

@@ITzUberPeanutButter I believe that it’s because the reapers are too massive to be obliterated like the husks

[@ITzUberPeanutButter]

@@axelnilsson5124 dude geth and husks are completely different

[@axelnilsson5124]

@@ITzUberPeanutButter I don’t think it matters how different they are and we don’t really see any geth “corpses” in the destroy ending

[@mathisntmybestsubject8440]

I think that super-structure would be cool to go to, especially if it would give us another Geth crewmate to run around with.

[@FoggyPigeon]

It doesn't make much sense for the catalyst to have lied. If it didn't want Shepard to choose the destroy ending, why give him the option in the first place? Surely if it was manipulating him, it would've been simpler to conceal the option than to make up some bullshit story about it destroying other things as well.

[@stghe113r]

What about the call back In me 1 to when Kaiden stated the Geth hadn’t been seen outside the veil in 200 years it the veil is outside or outskirts of the Milky Way then it’s plausible a superstructure is there as they also had centuries to build it.

[@nyassav5920]

You can find the remnants of a destroyed dyson sphere in the Galaxy map in ME3.

[@Random_alias_JP-tl5xz]

the catalyst also did not anticipate the successful resistance of the galaxy. so he may have just assumed that all synthetic life is being destroyed without knowing it.

[@stukaseptember]

Some Geth could have followed the arks to Andromeda, which would give BW the chance to tie the two ME galaxies together and finally resolve the issue with the missing Quarian ark and of course the Dark Energy story line.

[@visionhawk4403]

What about the Remnant in Andromeda? They had a whole planet looking thing to house themselves in it. Plus, in Andromeda, we're told that the way they were able to find habitable spots in Andromeda, "Golden Worlds", they used a mass relay that had been repurposed as some sort of telescope by the Geth. Plus, if memory serves me correctly, the Remnant weren't very old, just a few centuries. Is it possible that some of the Geth had already gone to Andromeda? Could that be the link to the Jardaan? As soon as you mentioned the Dyson sphere, which I have never heard Legion say despite how many times I've replayed these games, I thought of that whole artificial planet in Andromeda.

[@bawalker1974]

They have talked about including ME Andromeda in the new game, what if the Geth were on the Quarian ark that was going to be in the foreshadowed MEA DLC that never happened? The ark would have been outside the Milky Way so wouldn't have been affected by the blast. This would allow the developers to address the groundwork they laid for the planned DLC and marry the two games.

[@Phoenix_DarkMoon]

Star child was actually Sovereign trying to indoctrinate Shepard to prevent them from choosing the "destroy" ending and lied. Or the quarians rebuilt/reactivated the geth and EDI afterward. Star child did say those left would easily be able to rebuild and that "no more than what was already lost would be lost"

[@axelnilsson5124]

The geth were destroyed not deactivated there’s nothing to reactivate and they likely shredded the blueprints when they were first exiled

[@AsaruWolf]

I'm surprised Hunlthen didn't comment on the fact that the crater itself looks like the upper torso of a Geth with it's head! (The "Eye" is the crater")

[@AbsentQuack]

At this point I really hope Bioware just retcons the whole ending of 3 into something like Shepards fever dream and his time on the crucible really just initiated the device to do some sort of EM pulse that carried weaponized reaper code or some shit.

[@areallycrossantedtoast5480]

The mass relay you destroy in ME2 could also be the answer right? If there isn't a mass relay then the crucibles signal isn't broadcast leaving whatever was inside that area mostly fine.

[@a0point0of0view1]

The answer could be as simple as the geth had made hard copies or had servers which was heavily hidden and shielded in a simliar fashion to Liara's data caches she made for the next cycle in case we failed, after all "the geth are immortal" they know this can wait out the reaper invasion and rebuild although they might not be the sentient geth if these were made and hidden before rannoch mission

[@alant644]

Perhaps Haestrom's sun holds the secret to powering the dyson sphere. The geth might have been somehow siphoning off the sun via some sort of wormhole?