"Mass is STUCK in the 90s"

[@ToPrepareHisWay]

Thanks for your videos and sharing your perspectives. As a priest who offers the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass ad orientum, I would like to kindly correct one thing. Ad orientum is not about facing the Tabernacle. There does not need to be a Tabernacle to offer the Mass. The priest is approaching the Holy of Holies and is addressing God the Father. Ad orientum is beneficial in several ways for both the priest and those present at Mass, but to focus on the Tabernacle during Mass is missing the point. As you know and sincerely believe, the priest calls down the Holy Spirit and Jesus becomes really and substantially present on the altar as the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. Then the priest offers the newly consecrated Host to God the Father. I do not direct my prayers during Mass to Jesus in the Tabernacle until after Holy Communion when the Blessed Sacrament is reposed. From the beginning of Mass the Tabernacle is not the focus at all. The whole direction of prayer during Mass is towards God the Father. I hope that helps. God bless. Fr. Anthony Hannon.

[@gladtradpodcast]

Thank you for watching Father, and yes that clarification is very helpful!

[@JohnAlbertRigali]

And not all worship spaces have their tabernacles on an eastern wall (such as at my parish), but the Masses are said ad Deum (toward God) but not ad orientem (toward the east).

[@erikriza7165]

so true. i would only say that it makes more sense to face the Tabernacle than for the priest to have his back to the Tabernacle. My opinion.

[@holymarymotherofgodprayfor7388]

​@@JohnAlbertRigaliThis is because of V2 which dismantled everything that is truly Catholic. Churches were always build a certain way so that priest pray towards the east.

[@holymarymotherofgodprayfor7388]

The novus ordo mass isn't the real mass!​

[@littlewhitehouseinthecount3944]

No. It's actually stuck in the 70's for real. The NO STILL sings songs that I sing as a kid in the 70's. I'm so thankful that I found the TLM. It is what I was searching for for years.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

You don’t need a Tridentine Mass. You need a modern Mass that isn’t sung by sociology majors, failed teachers, and parish Karens. I am old enough to remember the Tridentine mass. I was little but I remember no one paid any attention to most of Mass. No one knew what was going on. No one could even see what was going on. And most of the participation was handled by altar boys. There wasn’t much for you to do. People usually prayed the rosary instead. You need to understand that it’s very different trying to follow a Latin Mass AFTER you have become familiar with mass in your own language, compared to never once hearing it spoken in English. You could flip ribbons back and forth in your onion skin Missal but you still couldn’t really follow it. A regular can be celebrated with all the reverence and smells and bells you would wish. It can even be celebrated in Latin. But it’s this weird obsession with “folk masses” as a way to reach young people who are now literally in nursing homes that makes people long for the old ways. I can’t understand the obsession with the 70s no matter how hard I try.

[@LilBitDistributist]

@@WinstonSmithGPTpeople find it beautiful, you don’t. That’s all there is to it. Stop crying.

[@erikriza7165]

The worst thing in NO parishes these days is the music. Most priests are not as goofy as many were in the late 60s and 70s. Most homilies are decent these days that I hear. But music is horrible, and the horrible musicians, with their horrible songs, are armed with powerful microphones!

[@erikriza7165]

@@WinstonSmithGPT i agree with you mostly, except i had a Missal, and I could follow the Mass from third grade. I never prayed the Rosary during Mass. My grandmother did, but we were taught to use a Missal at Mass.

[@TKOTraddish]

My mother grew up with the Latin Mass, and when my 7th-grade, Catholic school teacher made the same argument- no one knew what was going on- I told her and she got angry. She said- “We had books with the Latin on one side and the English on the other! We knew what was going on!”

[@erikriza7165]

Mass might be stuck in the 90s. In some places, it is still in the late 60s and 70s

[@jbilmendoza]

In someways the 90s was worse than the 70s. In the 70s they were caught up in the spirit of the times, but everyone remember how things used/ought to be and knew what they were doing was novel. By the 1990s enough time had passed that the vast majority of Catholics saw the readers digest mass of the 1990s as normal and good. That normalization was the most dangerous

[@erikriza7165]

The Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus, etc are not the "Propers" They are the Common, because the words of them are the same at all Masses. The Propers are the verses that change from one day to the next, like the Introit. We now have the Entrance and Communion Antiphons, the resp psalm and the Gospel Verse that would be the "Propers", though we no longer call them that.

[@sabrinaantonioverita3061]

they’re not the common either, they are the ordinary.

[@angelamalek]

Exactly-Latin Mass unites!

[@dianaf.s.1345]

Your sentiments are almost exactly those I’ve had as a cradle Catholic that grew up in the 60s and 70s. I have a firm belief in obedience to our pastors with regard to liturgy. That being said I’ve always looked for the most traditional churches which help my “participation” (silent but active) I advise people to do the best with what is offered. Humble suggestions can be appropriate nevertheless. Thank you for expressing your love for the Catholic Church with a humble spirit. Deo Gratias 🙏🏻 😊

[@PipeDreamerJacques]

Recordings are not permitted. 😢

[@josephmiller876]

Thank you for articulating my inner thoughts so clearly and graciously.

[@KristynLorraine]

Ohhh my former paish did some recorded music a few times. As my teenage son said, "Cringe and double cringe." It was quite embarrassing, whether you sang along or didn't. Your sister is on to something.

[@geraldfitzpatrick5294]

@kristylorraine thanks for raising such a man. Great Mom😊

[@erikriza7165]

It is not permitted to use play recorded music during Mass. It all has to be live by those present. And the quality of the music used should not be less than the quality of the of the silence it is breaking.

[@kimberlyanderson1916]

Jordan thanks for the positive attitude and encouragement. I really appreciate your podcast.

[@Bernadettesbrs]

My NO parish is the only parish close to me. We have a big TV next to the altar (it’s bigger than the crucifix) please pray for all priests!

[@jacksgirl23]

Thank you for the sweet podcast Jordan. You are super articulate and it's nice to have a happy spin on what's going on in the church these days. I love the title glad trade it's perfect for you❤

[@keeperofthedomus7654]

Not all is lost! You're right! We went to Jan 1st NO mass in Spanish at a modern parish near us and a large amount of people took communion on their knees and on the tongue! (Which is what we do and it usually feels awkward in the modern English mass, but it seemed natural in the Spanish mass.)

[@angrypotato1347]

Great video! God bless you this new year!

[@Leocomander]

*Bilingual Mass* I have been to these I call them the Frankenstein Novus Ordo where essentially the liturgy is designed to appease as many people as possible.

[@E-pistol]

The 90's was awesome ❤.

[@victoriakellerman5188]

Amen

[@jamesMartinelli-x2t]

Born in 1955. My mass ( qui laetificat joventutem meam...) has been stolen by Barbarians who parade as clerics.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

@@jamesMartinelli-x2t I always think of page 2 of Joyce’s Ulysses when I see that line. He includes the “introibo” but stops there. Significant, I think.

[@danielfernandezpeinado6294]

I agree 100% How can it be said that music in the liturgy speaks of the current era, while having songs that are 40 years old (or even older). That's why sacred music is to be taught even in catechesis, because you don't need to update the music to the latest time, because there won't be an intergenerational gap as "too old" or "too new" but a sacred genre, the gregorian and polyphony, which speaks of the timelessness of Our God.

[@johngreene9824]

I'm a get the point guy....thank u...noblong mumbo jumbo...u get to the core with out alot of double talk...I WILL be checking in on ur pod cast agsin

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

Even in the Tridentine mass / ad orientem you’re not facing the tabernacle. In very old churches the tabernacle is in a different chapel.

[@anirtakak-b4k]

Our church had a side chapel for the Eucharist, so people talked loudly and conversations were about picnic plans, etc. This church was built in 1995, and a lot of rules were broken, mostly to do with relaxed clothing, posture, and behavior. The altar was round-ish so it looked like a dinner table. I did a little training in 2011 about a few words that changed (more directly from Latin) and people didn’t take it well. I was in Grade school in the 1950’s (daily mass!) and we sang Gregorian chant masses in Latin and had missals with both languages. Latin was universal, that was mass wherever we would go in the world. Everything had some meaning and significance, from the candles and the vestments, the chalice was gold or silver, not stoneware. Everything was beautiful, and peaceful. So much of that has gone, but it isn’t lost. I hope that we can get it back before it is lost to history. My favorite story: My mother was raised in a small “home church”, but she went to a Catholic Church with my aunt, who had converted because she married into it. My Mom said she converted because when they walked in, she “felt that God was present”. I am grateful because we were blessed with going to Catholic school and had a wonderful foundation. We were a family of nine kids. I found your channel today, and I really enjoyed it. Thank you!

[@colinbodnaryk7518]

Please help me understand. Im an outsider (Orthodox) i understand the longing for traditional liturgy. Why the attachment to latin. Why not the old Mass with Gregorian chant in vernacular languages. I like the liturgy of st john christom and injoy it in Slavonic or Greek, but i get more in English

[@gladtradpodcast]

Thanks for watching. I've talked about it across a few episodes, but honestly, I find the Anglican Ordinariate in English, or Divine Liturgy in the vernacular to be beautiful, and if it was just an issue of language, I don't think I would honestly mind as much. The real issue concerning language and the Mass I find was the deep changes to the Missal after the Paul VI Mass. That being said, Latin is the language of the Roman Catholic Church, and has a patrimony and deep place in the liturgy. I find it helps connect us to our ancestors, history, and keeps us grounded in understanding amidst the natural changes our current languages have. And to the point of the video, even if you're not among speakers of your tongue, everyone at mass can truly worship in a unified voice.

[@colinbodnaryk7518]

@gladtradpodcast thanks! Thats best explanation i could ask for

[@veredictum4503]

I am no expert, so what I say may not be the most accurate. Others better have written books on this topic. But here's my "reader's digest" understanding. (1) This old form / pre-Vatican2 Mass - doesn't really have a name, so Vetus Ordo or Usus Antiqua (of ancient usage) - was actually cast in concrete in Quo Primum by Pope Pius V, as *THE* Mass and not to be changed. In turn, the Pope was responding to pressures / experimentation to changes in the Mass. This same Mass, and Quo Primum, was in turn poured a 2nd layer of concrete in the Council of Trent (hence another term - Tridentine Latin Mass). Trent was in response to Protestantism which of course, by today, turned "worship" into disco rock concerts even you as Orthodox won't touch. But because of the above, only the Latin Mass was cast in concrete. I don't think(??) the Eastern Catholic Rites got this clarification - the Protestants were mostly western European. (2) Latin is the official language of the Church. Up till a mere 60 years ago, all clergy had to learn Latin. So rather than 350 languages, the Church can publish documents in one voice (una voce). Of course translations exist, the Liturgy is in Latin, but sermons in vernacular. It is to ensure a Catholic can attend Mass in Mongolia, Brazil, France, Japan, Africa - and hear the same Mass. Today - Novus Ordo - go to the Tokyo Archdiocese website, and you will see Masses organised by language. This creates racial / language enclaves - a new Tower of Babel. By the way, the Devil hates Latin - not joking - there is a theology behind that. Latin, Greek and Hebrew nailed to the Cross. And the Devil hears 2,000 years of exorcisms defeating him, all in Latin. (3) Theoretically this same Mass can be translated word-by-word into vernacular. Here I am speculating - if you look at Protestant bibles, the more languages, the more translations, ostensibly to reach a wider audience, but the more dilutions, subjective interpretation, denominational interpretation creeps in. In other words, the more translations, the more floors of the Tower of Babel. Pax Dominus vobiscum.

[@danielfernandezpeinado6294]

1:05 Traditional Latin Mass is trilingual: Most of the Mass, obviously in Latin; Readings and homily in vernacular language; Kyrie in Greek.

[@WinstonSmithGPT]

@@danielfernandezpeinado6294 All aiming at one human audience.

[@danielfernandezpeinado6294]

​@@WinstonSmithGPT Do you mean all human audience aiming at one God?

[@magdalenchavez7576]

Well said young man.🙏

[@holymarymotherofgodprayfor7388]

Mass should only be in Latin.

[@colinbodnaryk7518]

Please explain. Im Orthodox. I want to know why the old Mass with Gregorian chant in vernacular languages is not a thing

[@holymarymotherofgodprayfor7388]

@colinbodnaryk7518 The Roman Right should be said in Latin.

[@simonewilliams7224]

You have hit the most obvious Problem since 1969 and all that implies!

[@simonewilliams7224]

Yes, Novus Ordo’s are waking up to orientation back as Jesus being the reason for the MASS nothing else will do. GOD Himself has shown us how to worship Him according to His Will not our will!

[@LilBitDistributist]

Reform the reform now!

[@erikriza7165]

What do you mean by "geriatric"?

[@johngreene9824]

Mass should be old tradition...it doesn't need to modernize...the 70s made enough of a mess as it was

[@simonewilliams7224]

Try going to any Mass since 1969 as not being worthy of worship DUE GOD; if not a traditional Latin representation.

[@BlindBiker3]

No, it’s not.

[@shesintexas1198]

As opposed to Trads who are stuck in the sixteenth century ?

[@TP-om8of]

It’s a mistake to think the Tridentine Mass is from the 16th century. It’s much, much older.

[@marcoadmiralis_1497]

"Let's change the mass every 50 years. Surely, that will work."

[@butterflybeatles]

Does your sister have a first name?

[@gladtradpodcast]

All sisters have first names ;)

[@butterflybeatles]

@@gladtradpodcast Then it is proper to mention it and not to keep repeating "my sister".

[@A-ARonYeager]

​@butterflybeatles or his sister doesn't want to be on the internet for any number of reasons, and he's being respectful to her.

[@pickcomb332]

​@butterflybeatles That's doxing

[@elizabethv_royalsfan]

Usually it's "she stole my cookie"