Mass STASIS Wards | Beating Grandmasters with Stupid Stuff

[@TheBehm08]

The opponent in the first game was brilliant. What a way to counter his strategy and he thought of it on the spot

[@Tillvioliniert]

Harstem, please continue the series "Biggest throws, it was fun and interesting to see your thoughts of how pro gamers would make these decisions nowadays. I am looking forward to it.

[@publicalias8172]

Agree, there is no better teacher than failure! It would be a mistake to only focus victories.

[@gregcostanzo4724]

If you want to see biggest throws, just watch my zvp. Guaranteed that I’m way ahead and end up in the dumpster anyway.

[@MastaRosiel]

Kevin hear me out ... Do you remember the Gom GSL show where casual players would play vs pro players with a handicap ? Would it be possible to get a show where lower level players play vs you BUT you spin a wheel and have to abide by rules on the wheel? The other player could be kept in the dark not knowing the handicap other then the audience. Play with oven mits , chop sticks, one handed , only build infester , expand without aggression until 100 workers,no control groups etc . Whatever ideas you come up with im sure would be grand . Thanks for the content , appreciate what you do for the scene.

[@PylosLight]

up to the top please

[@joshabuhl8299]

That sounds really fun! +1 from me!

[@Kaiasky]

The probe hallucination trick is so smart, honestly in awe

[@jmgreetis]

I haven't watched SC2 content since like 2013. I'm glad your channel randomly popped into my recommended. I haven't stopped watching since a few days ago. You're really entertaining to watch. GG

[@Rappenem]

1 hour episode, we're in for a treat!

[@basicuser54]

GG this round H. Don’t give up on this idea, it’s good, but in hindsight there’s no reason to limit yourself with no worker harass. Finding the balance of energy usage between harass and map control is challenge enough.

[@erkistan]

Another Idea: Max number of hallucinations in the attacking army. For example atleast one hallucination per each unit.

[@Mike-dm5ut]

Bring changling series back . I also would love to see you and some friends doing these cheese and stupid plays in team games.

[@eulefranz944]

Omg yeees

[@KumarBendrake]

Yes, please create "Team Cheese" It would be like the Harlem Globetrotters of Starcraft😂😂😂

[@LiveForRush]

​@@KumarBendrake harstem globetrotters

[@XLuptisX]

Maybe you can try making a „Stasis Ward Archon Toilett“ challenge? Baiting with stasis wards and destroying your enemies army with Archons surrounding them. Or with High Templar Storms.. the choice is yours.

[@JFox4587]

Dear Captain, I want you to know for the past year I don’t own a television and really don’t care much for watching television whatsoever. However you should know, I watch every single video and love your content. That makes you the most media that I get in my day, and I don’t even play this game. 🤣 So thanks so much for all you do!!

[@rahulshah1408]

Hearthstone? I think your autocorrect got ya. Edit: it’s fixed.

[@JFox4587]

@@rahulshah1408 Yep, auto correct lol. I edited, does it still show up as hearthstone?

[@rahulshah1408]

@@JFox4587 corrected my friend. :)

[@JFox4587]

@Michael Lochlann Lol, I literally watch StarCraft and NOTHING ELSE for media…every day. Haha, thanks, I know these other channels. It’s Harstem or bust homie

[@Doudoune444]

Playing as protoss but you can only attack your oppenent and destroy his base with units that are warp in the ennemy base. You can use really close pylon or prism. Every units that aren't build in the enemy base or units that retreated from an older attack may only defend your base. I can imagine you building lot of gateways and warp in an army just like the cinematic. "TODAY WE RETAKE OUR HOMEWORLD !!" Great content overall btw !

[@TheOnlyTiminator]

Have you ever done a mass overseer contaminate strat? Wouldn't it work really well late game to stop them from remaxing?

[@loudaccord]

Suggestion for next week: Zerg - as much stupid stuff as you can think of with infestors (steal their entire army, build stuff in their base with their probes, etc)

[@123LuffyDMonkey]

i really like the hallucinated probes idea. Make fake probes to allude to a late game but since the probes will be fake you are actually doing an aggressive attack with a fake 3rd or fake 2nd base ( with fake hallucinated probes)

[@JFox4587]

BGMWSS: Intel offline- this is a very wide open and fun one, and each game can vary wildly. The whole goal is simply to confuse your opponent to the maximum, making them think you are doing one thing when really you’re doing another. Anything goes when it comes to this trickery. Here are some basic ideas: Hallucinations Tech switching Fake proxy/Fake cannon rush Fake warp prism Fake all in Fake macro into real all in with perhaps a fake 3rd expansion Perhaps one real Phoenix with a fleet of fake ones, then warp prism and blink stalker all in, blocking your opponents base Anyway, you get the picture. Trick your opponent into scouting one thing, then do another. Get creative captain, make it a good one 🥳

[@ScrapDMX]

"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind" Eric, in Eric by Terry Pratchett

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

Somewhat of a recurring theme.

[@zorannio]

"Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind", Terry Pratchett => we are getting there :)

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

'And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.' -- in Maskerade by Terry Pratchett

[@adcyuumi]

I like the Stasis trap strat (a version of it) for PvZ. The general idea is rushing mass Void Ray to compel mass Queens, into 2 Missruptors and a Warp Prism to punish mass Queens -- the novas cripple the Queen ball, then the Void Rays come in to win a fight that they otherwise could never take. To set it up though takes just a bit of time, so a 2 Oracle start helps ensure that Zerg builds Queens rather than Zerglings. The Oracles don't want to engage the Queens either, so the play is to stasis Zerg's natural to help trap Zerg on one effective base for as long as possible. The wards are placed in the natural mineral line to delay the taking of the base (and later to disrupt mining), or just outside the Zerg natural so that a phalanx of Queens trying to secure the area leave the main base exposed to a Void Ray + Oracle run-by. Another reason to get 2 Oracles is in case Zerg happens to be on a Zerg-rush cheese. It's just a safer opener for the strat than going straight for a Void Ray. Zerg's natural response to the 2 Oracles and mass Void Ray follow-up is to over-produce Queens -- it's very nearly Zerg's only answer to push out at all, since Corruptors are so far away and questionable to mass early even if you tried to rush that tech. You can bring the 2 Missruptors without Warp Prism, but it becomes too easy to lose them to fast Zerglings without the Prism. And typically, there is no reason to rush. The mass Queens can only push out to guard the natural, and Zerg can't push out much further vs Oracles + Void Rays for quite a while after that. You have time to get the 2 Missruptors and Warp Prism, then bring it in to cripple the Zerg Queen count. When the above-mentioned strat fails to win the game (usually due to bad aiming with Novas or bad micro that loses the Warp Prism), Protoss finds itself ahead on production and facing a Zerg army composed of only Zerglings, Queens, and (maybe) Banelings. The inner Zerg bases will each likely have at least a few Spore Crawlers. Protoss can pretty safely siege ground paths out of Zerg territory, killing any drones/Zerglings/Overlords that wander out to scout with your mass Void Rays. Eventually you can expect to face a ball of Corruptors with fast Zerglings under it, and you just need to win those fights. Switching to mass Blink Stalkers can win the game here, but just sticking with the original army composition is more than enough to stay ahead of Zerg for long time and win on sheer attrition.

[@alpha-cf2oi]

yeah whole hour of harstem and LITERALLY a whole lol

[@jesselee2792]

This looked like it has a lot of potential. It definitely looks like you can develop using stasis wards into many strategies too. I like how you can use it significantly for map control. I think you can use it much more defensively and that would give you more success with the stasis wards. It really does seems like a tool where, you can say, they will come to you and you don't have to go to them. stasis warding their mineral line is a big plus but it definitely seems too difficult to do consistently. It also seems like you can force the scans while fighting a terran player too. that seems useful as well. would you be willing to use stasis wards together with disrupters in a fight? like while you are retreating you use the wards to set up plays. or warding the retreat of the enemy force? I am curious about whether or not you can use wards during a fight if your oracles are cloaked by a mothership.

[@zzasdfwas]

Is stasis-disrupter a thing? If you get the timing down, you can hit nova on units leaving stasis.

[@Halcyon_YT_]

Now I understand the reasoning of that community poll you made ahahahaha

[@MastaRosiel]

Instead of gateway man I want to see tech man . I casted a game molten vs aquarion and molten skipped gateway tech and only went for robo stargate units . I would love to see tech man style

[@onesteplol588]

1 hour episode! Awesome! Love it!

[@whisped8145]

Combine traps with storms on release? You can keep specific templars in the back until you need them, since you have a lot of time to plan for the release time. It looks like a waste to let free kills just get away when you have the units and know when the stunned ones will get targetable again.

[@dieselp87]

Hm, I'm wondering if a Disruptor transition might be the answer. You're already revealing the enemies position using revelations and statisis wards. You're already allowing for units to be "clumped up" with good stasis ward hits. It seems like a match made in heaven. Especially, since your map control allows you to also move out more aggressively with slower units AND you can see the enemy movement to sneak in some good disruptor shots in general. Especially when you can use the stasis ward as a zoning tool when shooting with disruptors or do it the opposite way (using your disruptor shots to force them to run into the stasis ward) As a bad player, It feels like there is so much potential on the table, if you actually design a playstyle around this concept.But having said this, I don't know how sustainable it is gas-wise, since it might require you to cut some corners elsewhere.

[@paulpickett4522]

I think when you came to the conclusion that early stasis wards were not going to work against GMs you could have just said "pular beams are fair game till the x-minute mark" so that you could try that mid game with the stasis wards. I'd gladly watch a second try at this challenge with those modified rules. =)

[@GrantRGarner]

BGMWSS Suggestion! - Have really long conversations with your opponent. Don't stop the entire time even if it is completely one-sided.

[@gogoletsgoyamadakun]

suggestion: maximum shields. make shield upgrades and shield heavy units like archons, then advance through the map with battery support

[@barnaclebob123]

I love the stupid stuff series so much

[@blazepond5518]

watching you lose is still more enjoyable than watching others win hehe love to see your ideas play out cap'n use blink to bait opponent onto the wards more?

[@sumelar]

Hallucination really doesn't get used enough.

[@kardainzr161]

For people who are not aware, Protoss are OP, they can status a whole bunch of units (Freezing them for a duration that seems so long it defies logic), then Disruptors can shoot their balls right near the end and BOOM/BLOWUP them, yeah, that's about it. OPTOSS has the most units with "spells" to decimate and call a game a win, just incase you did not realize. But hey who's asking about imbalances PROTOSS surely are not. Lets see how this one goes!

[@justanotherspectator9]

That was rough to watch.... Against lambo all of those wards that hit you didn't actually take advantage of half his army being frozen. You got a lot of wards hit but you gained 0 from it. Fun stuff anyways. GGs. Super tough challenge

[@m.helazior9932]

I dream of you beating masters with mass sentries, or grandmasters with sentries + another unit? Like mass sentries + disruptors.

[@whisped8145]

Hallucinated Probes are great and underestimated. Baaaaaaaack when I played some, and yes, not for long, so don't take what I say too seriously about SC2, I liked to use the Hallucinations for unit count (quantity) over speed (quality). Scouts may be great at being fast and giving you intel about the enemy base, and that's good. However, getting 4 hallucinations you can send into different parts of the map at the same time is another form of scouting; you get a lot of area covered - ie scouting for secret bases quickly or passively. Using them as mine-triggers is also great, but something I didn't have to encounter in my little time. Great play of the opponent there in figuring that out. So rare people do that. I don't see an issue with just keeping at least one hallucination producing unit at base or around in general. Protoss has a big issue with vision - which is odd since it's supposedly the most advanced race. Yet terrans just scan the map wildly with their McGuyver tech, Zerg got their creep-spread in SC2 for non-detection vision. Protoss? Only observers for out of base vision. Unless you spam hallucinations all over the map; which is fitting with their lore: Scan through psychic abilities.

[@dragojess]

I've actually always loved when I could get a stasis off on my opponents mineral lines, its fun to completely destroy their eco for a bit

[@TransTess]

its so fun at low levels. You take out their entire mineral line, they don't get any warning of it. AND the workers don't automatically go back to mining afterwards. It's so much better than killing like 15 workers.

[@systemslayer525]

Should of used the stasis wards on that big chuck of marine army constantly to supply block the terran, defensively defending the strategy when you get a big enough hit, because he can't use army in stasis, and you will always have a bigger army

[@jesselee2792]

Hi Harstem, can you use hallucinated units to detonate banelings?

[@anonymeoui3248]

Yes

[@Supergoon1989]

I kinda want to see mass-colossus play. I know they're expensive but they are so cool!

[@whisped8145]

18:30 I generally like the creepspread in this game, even though it's not covering a lot of the map. But the player is actively denything the 3rd with it and for once is somehow who keeps using the barfing overlords.

[@corneliumaftuleac891]

Hey captain, here is the deal: win with mass high templar, other units allowed but HT should be way more than others, also harass defend etc with HT.

[@noah.2B]

I'd love to see a game where you only make Widow Mines.

[@blazepond5518]

yo, respect for keeping your spirits up and keeping trying, formidable life (and BGMWSS) skills

[@zorannio]

How about "can send a-move units across the map, but cannot control them unless they are in pylon energy radius"? Or terran version: Rush into tanks and can move units outside the base only inside deployed tank siege radius? I guess that zerg version would be "cannot move out of creep".

[@nightmissionsonly9494]

halucinated probes are kinda good against mines too

[@ИльяМаскаев-з8к]

Very cool video, thank you!

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

Came for the weird game play, stayed for the gl hf psychological mind games

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

If I could have been a fly on the wall to see lambo react during this game 🤣

[@MrSAv1Or]

21:02 nc FF :D

[@jerubaal101]

I really wish we had better advanced stats for units like the Oracle. I hate to be a doomer, but I think the oracle is a classic trap unit.

[@SethBurgess]

The !!! is because the zerg's keyboard repeat rate is set so high

[@BooperSchmooper]

That first opponent probably does that against widow mines. ez to adapt it to oracle I guess lol

[@veronlee4748]

BGMWST idea: play as zerg and use only infestors neural enemy units. Try to fight with only those neuraled units. I guess you can build stuff before getting the infestors but it'll be interesting to see how you control the neuralled units

[@Wezelkonijn]

Harstem, a new challange: Starcraft Immortal. Every unit you make, pay €5 to blizzard. Every building is €10 and every upgrade €25.

[@pickupthelantern6395]

Idea: The Multitasking Master You can play however you want, but before killing your opponent you have to complete another game in the background by tabbing out and back in. Level 1: google Minesweeper on medium difficulty Level 2: Finish a game of google solitaire Level 3: get a score of 15 on google memory game (simon says)

[@Claire-ing]

maybe in honor of ragnarok doing “proxy hatch to gsl” you can do only proxy hatch for your next bgwss

[@erkistan]

Idea: Beat the enemy using only Infestors.

[@anonymeoui3248]

Lets do viper and infestor

[@erkistan]

@@anonymeoui3248 I actually was thinking about Infestors. I changed my comment.

[@Mimiacz1]

I mean, stasis could be used as an offensive tool if you pair that with a single shiny yellowish ball of death the timing is so hard to pull off tho

[@tbird81]

Syphon is pronounced with a long "I" sound in both US and UK English.

[@LindetwinNL_]

myabe try this idea again in the furture but instead of trying to catch his army just force a base trade while having as many stasis wards in your base as posible. against terran it wont work i think but against other races it could maybe.

[@fuba44]

So.. suggestion for next bgmwss episode, win by making your opponent think he has killed all your probes.. but they are all hallucinated, thus your eco is fine.

[@fuba44]

Like, fake expand left and "loose" all the probes.. while real expanding right and making bank..

[@samurilegends1889]

You should do something massive gateway zealot runby's. Like huge gateway numbers. Like 20. Just poke and destroy bases like mad.

[@rahulshah1408]

The thank you from the Zerg was awesome. Pacifist oracles. Love it. Make the !!! Real.

[@Myoron]

I've always thought letting people have multiple accounts on ranked ladders was dumb. How many unique people are in the top 250 slots, 175? 200? There's a fair portion of people who can't get there because there's 2 or 3 accounts of the same person taking up a slot.

[@KumarBendrake]

I'm afraid we're going to have to ask you, to find a way to win with mass stasis words. Everyone was all hyped to see this one. Maybe if you develop a strong lead, in the beginning, you could get creative and build some kind of obstacle course with stasis and cannons, where you force your opponent to run the gauntlet?

[@CarlosLopez-wr8qy]

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[@daryladhityahenry]

Hmm. Looking at the economic graph on 22:40 , then if you do stasis ward and guard the place where he wants to expand ( making them not able to expand ), it will give a crazy result I think?

[@lemon2ish]

Early fan of yours, keep up your insane upload schedule! BGWSS Idea for your Zerg: Mass overseers. Win by delaying upgrades, production, creating changelings, hiding the screen so the user can't micro. Whatever tactics comes to mind :)

[@henningbreede6428]

He is barely GM with zerg and overseer are really really expensive, so it would be impossible for him to beat GM with this.

[@Satanickus]

11:45 Hahaha

[@vietnguyenquoc9173]

Here's another how to beat grandmaster with stupid stuff. Halucinate Probe to confuse opponent, Just tell the fake probe to follow other probe, or on the mining position to keep up the illusion

[@corlevtec]

As always, great video. Here's an idea I saw in a game, don't remember who did it, but it was very cool. Using zerg beat your opponent with his own race. Steal a worker and build a nexus or CC and use only units from that race afterwards.

[@bahamutkaiser]

Choosing to use a specific unit with self imposed handicaps in Grandmasters seems like a tall order.

[@jorgeescobar8046]

i wanna see you beating gms with mass centry

[@lincolngillespie3925]

2024 harstem masters this style and goes on to win iem katowice in the true year of harstem

[@petermaltzoff1684]

Based stasis wards. Basist wards...

[@benamende5897]

1st game was awesome! The counter strat was perfect

[@dominikmagnus]

It gave me actual pain to see Harstem float those 1200 gas in second game, struggling against ling/roach/ravager and not considering getting archives and print some archons to deal with lings... Is there some point to why it's bad? Is there a deeper meaning in why he didn't get any? Someone please help me ease this pain...

[@henningbreede6428]

It means he loses map control for a while and if he gets archons instead of storm he has to wait until he has a high supply of archons to attack. Archons do not have the mobility of stalker and chargelots and will not be able to bait so effectively into stasis. With how bad his eco was, he kinda just auto-loses vs high mmr players at that point.

[@dominikmagnus]

@@henningbreede6428 how exactly one less stalker, that he won't warp in and use those minerals to get archives translate to "lost map control"? Now I even have more pain... send another doctor!

[@B3nTiy]

Play one of your old bos where you hide like 3 robos and just pump out collossus

[@justinasbuivydas1572]

Like the video before watching

[@whynow4306]

You dont need to rebrand it. It can still be called Beating Grandmasters with stupid stuff. But in this case you were the Grandmaster with stupid stuff (that got beaten) :D

[@NiceEvils]

haha nice

[@profesorja3581]

could try to make "secret weakness" where you play normal game but you have a weakness that the oponent doesnt know about. example, you cant defend against oracle with units only buildings, or you cant mine gas until like 3 minute mark, or you cant use certain type o units like only ranged or mele units. kinda sound stupid doesnt it?

[@ak-dy7ty]

Hey Mr Harstem. Why don't you put a stasis trap after you trap a bunch of dudes? Try to keep them trapped forever 👹

[@dieselp87]

Another aspect of potentially getting "a little bit more out of stasis wards": Why not trying out to harass your opponent with drops and "cutting" off enemies bases with stasis wards? Similiar to how people tried to all in you by forcefielding the ramp?

[@456death654]

Thanks for making my day at work more bearable

[@treyway2403]

HOPIUM .. LOL !

[@dustinmorrison6315]

Some ideas: maximize probe count, have more than 5 observers, mass immortal/warp prism drop.

[@hmmmm1324]

Always enjoy Losing to Grandmasters with Stupid Stuff

[@williamobando4159]

You are a funny individual

[@Trazynn]

Have a battlecruiser be followed around be a medivac filled with SCV's wherever it goes.

[@colinjakubec9566]

Try winning with only units can use energy!

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

I have to wonder if doing eco cheese with this build would be better. Obviously you're slower with oracles but you focus stasis for defense, build eco, then make massive amounts of oracles/zealots/etc whatever you need

[@aarongazzaniga1929]

Oh you just said defensive tool.

[@elliottg5987]

Hallucinated probes? Guy saw the r/allthingsprotoss post yesterday.

[@andreashalbfeld7671]

You're a content MACHINE!

[@jurusehhill4009]

you gotta kill the stasis warded zerg

[@AlexanderVoroncov]

Stasis is nice thing when you have big army. I think 3 oracles is max. 2 is ok. You start with killing some workers, then Oracles max energy and use stasis to cath him when he try allin or somth and you know that. Spam is good when he not ready.

[@alpbalcaev7583]

oracles + disrapters huh ? )

[@2019inuyasha]

Half of your main army has to be hallucinated

[@Amoeby]

So bad this cool ability can be countered by sending 1 units forward.

[@Truck_Kun_Driver]

SC2 on low settings looks like a mobile game 😂😂

[@chir0pter]

i've said it before but something with mass feedback would be cool! Like either you have to get like 50 feedbacks or can only use HT for feedback while maintaining x supply of HT in your army