Can You Beat StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty As A Pacifist?

Hey, thanks for reading this. In preparation for a future project I am trying to do a quick informal survey of RTS to better understand people's opinions on what they like. If you have time would you consider filling it out? It will take around 5 minutes. forms.gle/QVjTXxZA8QK5Tky8A
Thanks!
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Timestamps:
Intro - 0:00
Liberation Day - 0:33
The Outlaws - 1:31
Zero Hour - 3:35
Smash and Grab - 5:46
The Devil's Playground - 6:59
The Evacuation - 7:46
The Great Train Robbery - 10:50
Outbreak - 11:48
Welcome to the Jungle - 12:49
The Greater Train Robbery - 14:04
Breakout - 14:49
The Greatest Train Robbery - 15:52
Safe Haven - 18:00
Cutthroat - 18:32
Engine of Destruction - 19:03
The Dig - 19:23
A Sinister Echo Of The Future - 22:15
The Moebius Factor - 23:21
Media Blitz - 24:36
Piercing the Shroud - 30:07
Supernova - 32:25
Maw of the Void - 33:00
Hekkin' Gates - 33:46
Shatter the Sky - 37:45
All In - 38:40
Outro - 45:26

[@GiantGrantGames]

For a future project I doing a quick, informal, survey of RTS players to better understand people's opinions on what they enjoy. If you are interested in helping me out, It'll take around 5 minutes. forms.gle/QVjTXxZA8QK5Tky8A I would really appreciate the help!

[@thest0mpa]

I wanted to mention the infomation about the 10th aniversary acheivement on the mobius factor is wrong. The acheivement is to not produce anything other than mercs and medivacs, incentivising you to use the units on the map but the bug on release was it failed if ANYONE produced something including the zerg player so it had to be fast to stop the zerg from producing anything including going so far as to use the slowest speed and snipe eggs and larva to make sure they cannot produce.

[@apostolidispeter2499]

Hey GGG, you made the assumption in the quiz that everyone that watches your videos has played Starcraft. I was an avid warcraft child and I found your channel from that. Granted I watch your SC2 content because it's whacky and fun, but I have never played it. You say that you are a mostly Starcraft channel, and maybe for your Twitch its true. But your YT channel is more of a whacky weird masochistic challenges kind of channel. I loved your AOE4 speedrun and all your campaign runs.

[@archlorddestin]

Hey, quick question. At the end of Media Blitz, you had 10 protoss research. There are 4 in the 3 missions between that mission and Gates of Hell, for a total of 22. Where did you get the other 3 required for the 25 costing Orbital Strike?

[@bomnitoperro9422]

My dude. Love your videos but. Gandhi was not a pcifitst. Please stop using that piece of shit.

[@Jocsot101]

Just submitted my choices but i would love to see the results of the survey if youre willing to share.

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

Grant: “I’m gonna complete an RTS campaign without killing anyone” Donny Vermillion: “There you have it, viewers. Jim Raynor! Killing women and children on Mar Sara.”

[@carrier2456]

This made my day badly

[@thestabbybrit4798]

Think of all the innocent doors whose families are left heartbroken by this dangerous terrorist!

[@MrGamingPsycho]

That was his evil twin Rim Jaynor.

[@randomthings8732]

@@MrGamingPsycho dont you mean rames jaynor?

[@legoike1234]

@@randomthings8732 no no that's a different man

[@joshuakim5240]

Nova: "Spectres are psychotic mass killers!" Spectres: are the ultimate tool of pacifism.

[@gyppygirl2021]

I always hated her anyway

[@JarmamStuff]

tbf taking the words of a Dominion assassin on anything is pretty dumb. I always felt the punishment for siding against Tosh was missing from the campaign (other than his sweet sweet cutscenes being missing ofc)

[@marley7868]

@@JarmamStuff I mean I just prefer nukes to psichic bullshit that was the extent of my moral processes and I regret nothing

[@amateurishauthor2202]

@@marley7868 both can launch nukes

[@marley7868]

@@amateurishauthor2202 that fucker lied to me

[@jimmya]

Raynor: Yup, I've seen a lot of combat, taken out a lot of enemies. Tigus: Like what? Raynor: Uhh... doors mostly. Confirmed door kills.

[@SnowmanV2]

-But God, once I had to kill a reactor. I still see him in nightmares...

[@theycallmedoorway9913]

>Tigus This is the best spelling of Tychus ever. Thank you.

[@Septimus_ii]

Tychus: You can't count a door as a kill. Raynor: IT COUNTS FOR ME, ALRIGHT!

[@kevinmeeker2832]

@@Septimus_ii "It's been a slow run, get off my back!" _Cue bar fight scene._

[@manolgeorgiev9664]

3 confirmed door kills and a freaking reactor. What a war veteran!

[@corvoattano8567]

Holy crap Jim beating the Tosh level on his own was HILARIOUS

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Tosh wins by doing absolutely nothing.

[@alanyuan8565]

I'm testing this theory tonight!

[@DoomieGruntVentures]

Thanks, Jim

[@planescaped]

Beating the mission like that legit made me lol.

[@ChannelMiner]

In the end, Grant was defeated by humanity's most ancient enemy.... Math.

[@echoistfromold6792]

And Time

[@geniumme2502]

@@echoistfromold6792 yea i also vote for time.

[@Ghi102]

Also death, because the reason nobody attempts these odds is because they would die before they get to it

[@Arthrexx]

@@Ghi102 Imagine you would get those odds in a reasonable time, though. At this point I would kick myself in the arse for having such luck in a game instead of playing lottery xD

[@johan528]

Sun may disappear before "All in" complete.

[@DeniableWhistle]

I love how the solution to Breakout was literally "do nothing at all".

[@JIerark]

it only takes 4 hours in game

[@carrier2456]

@@JIerark So Jim's forces are the ones pushing right?

[@gimmethegepgun]

@@carrier2456 Yes. Eventually they'll attack correctly and do permanent damage, and continue that trend.

[@selectivepontification8766]

The true definition of teamwork: Tosh goes to bed and Raynor does everything

[@Shadowlyger]

Tosh wins by doing absolutely nothing.

[@vaniellys]

I love how at least managed to prove that it's mathematically possible.

[@KnownAsKenji]

If it's all rolled based on the seed, I wonder if it's possible to reverse engineer and find a seed that makes these exact rolls.

[@randomthings8732]

@@KnownAsKenji most likely yeah

[@cptKamina]

@@KnownAsKenji I think the seed only influences the first spawn, the rerolls for being too close to another Nydus would be purely random again. At least that's my understanding.

[@robocart9253]

@@cptKamina Yeah, the seed for the original spawn location (without them being blocked in any way) is based on the seed, but the new rolls because of blocked spawn or spawn too close to nydus is a roll made then and there. So unfortunately no reverse engineering seeds for that perfect one in 27 Billion chance.

[@araonthedrake4049]

@@robocart9253 I mean... technically you can still reverse engineer the seed that would want to spawn them in the right spots, and then manually reset only that seed until the RNG of the reroll attempts. You could even save and reset moments before the nydus spawns since you don't want to reset the seed. Still doesn't feel feasible, but the rev-engineer idea is technically possible (just as the run is)

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

37:26 "I'm a hero!" "No, you're a martyr." That is a great dialogue couplet, and I hope it gets used more in other places.

[@_Tomon]

Loved it. Also confirmed the quote 'Die a hero or live long to become a villain'. Poor guy had to be put down like the rabid dog he became :-D

[@RoastedPheasant]

I'm pretty sure it's a reference to something?

[@kevinmeeker2832]

"Hekkin' Gates"

[@user-rf5lf7cq5e]

lol

[@nathanelfamy4190]

Amen

[@michaelstrasser3017]

Quote of the day : "There is no happiness here. Only SCVs Medics and Pain."

[@MattMorency]

Don't forget the spectres.

[@kevinmeeker2832]

@@MattMorency We didn't see any specters and neither did you :P

[@djenei2564]

this video proves that Grant is a class 15 psionic lifeform

[@karmondia]

But... what if muiltiple people are trying to beat it at the same time? There are 7,753 billion people on earth. If everyone helps, we can complete pacifist All In in 6 years!

[@0sikin094]

Every single Human on the earth needed to play "as THIS player" for a 6 STRAIGHT YEARS with a ABSOLUTELY PERFECT GAMEPLAY yeah...it is possible in 6 years... If we could not be humans that is))(and it is not even question of a "good playing" it is question about "how can we not Starve simply?") ...yeah.... possible...

[@frozenheartedgiant8330]

Alternatively, write an AI that knows all the conditions needed to beat all in as a pacifist, resetting if conditions aren't met. Then run this AI a trillion times. Pacifist all in in a week.

[@razorlight9653]

Or you can simply change the numbers of the script in the game

[@JJJBunney001]

@@razorlight9653 then its no longer the same game

[@0sikin094]

@@frozenheartedgiant8330 just do TAS thing? We already know that it "possible" Not by humans right now, but possible in theory So... what the fun would be, if no human factors involved? And yes... not the same game anymore))

[@H3Vtux]

I remember thinking about proposing this run a while back and thinking "no... Even on casual that's impossible.." and here you on are normal. Well done!

[@phia710]

he killed a spine crawler on outbreak lol.

[@Mohandar881]

@@phia710 that’s a main objective because the game requires you to kill every structure in that mission

[@Fabelaz]

spoiler: he didn't complete the run.

[@ErenisRanitos]

well, he didn't finish it, since the last mission is basically impossible to do so in our Universe.

[@Sir_Isaac_Newton_]

@@Fabelaz Thanks for the spoiler! 🤣 Now I won't enjoy the video as much 🤣

[@JawaThePwn]

GGG, the hero who let's no ally die, and refuses to kill his enemies.

[@Supergoon1989]

He Murdered Maurice!! The zerg didnt even do that; it was friendly fire!

[@Thk10188965]

@@Supergoon1989 Martyr. It said so right in the video silly.

[@Jpeg.g]

@@Thk10188965 lol

[@memespeech]

F

[@Supergoon1989]

@진성현 Maurauders cannot 'cease fire' command. So he had Maurice attack a bunker to stop him from accidently causing a kill against the Zerg. Then He Friendly-fired him down.

[@thejollyviking8083]

I love how All In is literally just the perfect storm of shit for every single possible challenge run.

[@carrier2456]

Probably. Unlike in Hots where you attack instead. And Mengsk would play All-In.

[@nolategame6367]

The "fly the command center to the enemy base and share the mineral fields" absolutely murdered me

[@sethb3090]

Well great, now he has to reset

[@hyperN1337]

Maurice stood high upon his pillar, sweating nervously as he fired grenade after grenade into the blasted Nydus worms that were the only thing barring his forces from achieving victory. Shot after shot, for he was the only one able to do this job... the only one capable of doing this job. But eventually, his persistence paid off, as the Nydus worms he was specifically tasked with defeated fell to his strikes. Oddly enough he noticed one more left in the distance, he swore he remembered command speaking about back up that would take care of the last one. Perhaps they were simply being slow? Regardless, he called in to report that he had succeeded... except there was no response, was everyone else dead? Maybe the signal was breaking up, but he was stuck, and needed a lift down. That is, until he saw behind him, a Spectre, multiple spectres, the reinforcements perhaps? Yet as he shouted in glee and joy that the mission was a success, they replied to him in a single cold tone; "Good, that's one less loose end."

[@alexs5814]

Yeah that was cold. Couldn't he have taken the 'rauder back to base or something? Outright murdering him in the end left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@carrier2456]

"Good, that's one less loose ends" Heyy that's from Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 :>

[@Nathrezim0]

@@alexs5814 No, because he can't get a Medivac over there and he's stuck on a pillar.

[@meeszijlstra5426]

@@alexs5814 He had to kill him, as the marauder would have started firing on targets he isn't allowed to kill. The only option to stop him from firing permanently was to kill him.

[@omerkursadnarinoglu3818]

Nice story writing with so little to go with. I'm prety impressed and like to see what it would be with an entire novel.

[@ChuongDang185]

To see someone so dedicated to making Starcraft 2 campaign content even over 10 years after the game has been released is really something. Hope to keep seeing these weird and wacky challenge runs in the future.

[@bluesbest1]

"even over 10 years after the game has been released" Don't punch me in the face like that.

[@acehughj4527]

@@bluesbest1 ye but since it has expansion packs and is a major e sport too don't be too hit by its age

[@matso3856]

Its nothing , in Supreme Commander (1) they released 3 new maps just this week ;) And thats from 2008

[@Diver13666]

You know, there is lots of Atari and other old school gaming videos released daily... SC2 still actually a rather recent game.

[@rafaelsousa5]

@@matso3856 Who did? Because GPG is dead and has been dead for a long time, it's a different thing to have community released content and having the company still support it.

[@alternativewalls4988]

Ahh... The best defensive structure in the game - engineering bay and spectres

[@RobotnikPlays]

and Enemy Nydus worms :P

[@user-ui9hh9mu4c]

Hey Grant, don't really think you'll see this but today when I was playing All in on normal difficulty (the nydus worm version), the first Kerrigan got stuck on the way to my base in the left chokepoint, and stayed there for the entire game. I never had to confront Kerrigan till the end and beat the mission. It was so unbelivable that I took multiple screenshots and saved right as Kerrigan got stuck. If you couldn't beat this mission becasue of Kerrigan eventually reaching your base, couldn't this be a way to beat this challenge run? If you want I'd be happy to share my screenshots and save files.

[@korana6308]

👍👍

[@TheRealVenusian]

Boosting this, seems like it'll be important. @giantgrantgames (idk if this'll work)

[@fireborn..]

Boost

[@FatherAlduin]

Yall this video is nearly two years old

[@TheRealVenusian]

@GiantGrantGames might find this very interesting, boosting again! (hope the ping works this time)

[@archsteel7]

"I'm a hero!" "No. You're a martyr" is a surprisingly raw line I was not expecting here. Also, you absolute madlad, never thought we'd see this one on main channel.

[@ChannelMiner]

Rip Maurice the Marauder, a true hero.

[@illustration3406]

He literally killed 2 things, what a legend

[@vectrom21]

No, a martyr

[@kalpayux7712]

Unfortunately he had to pay his sins

[@alexa9002]

I have no idea exactly how or why, but i played All In once, and the Nydus spawns gave me 2 Nydus Worms to the north-northwest lane right next to each other. When kerrigan spawned on that side, she couldnt move between the worms, as there was no space, and got stuck there for the rest of the mission. Dont know if this helps for a future run, but its an interesting thing that can happen.

[@CatzyCatzy]

You should do a pacifist run with that knowledge.

[@firockfinion3326]

Those doors surely weigh heavily on Jim's conscience.

[@walvens3080]

So what needs to happen is that all of the SC2 community runs All in with the exact build order required, with everyone recording every attempt, and then when someone eventually gets it after 3000 years they send it to you and you just edit it in as if you did it! I see absolutely no flaws with this plan!

[@thetheory6159]

If we say 1000 people attempt it, witha 0.001% chance of success, and a 1% chance of getting the build right, for a total chance of 0.00001% of success. You can therefore expect 1000000, or 1 million, attempts before a success is had. If we say a uniform distribution (some REALLY good people that get it right more often vs others who get it less often), with a bottom heavy focus, we can expect a roughly 40% average rate on this, so 1 million divided by 0.4, for about 2.5x, for 2.5 million. For each person, you'd need 2500 attempts. If everyone plays 1 per day, you can expect things to take under 10 years. Edit: didn't see the math at the end. I will let others see my shame and keep the original post. Yeah, no, you'd need the entire community to do it.

[@therealdoc]

@@thetheory6159 It's the thought that counts.

[@ahall9839]

@@thetheory6159 "witha 0.0000000000000001% chance of success" there you go

[@alexs5814]

If the internet exists by the time 3k years have flown by, i imagine some crypto archaeologist stumbling upon this and saying themselves that "THAT" is a worthy cause to try and complete a pacifist run^^

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Sounds like a job for an army of TAS bots

[@7thAce]

One of my favorite videos as of late - all of the creative solutions to what felt like impossible missions are awesome and a real display of problem solving skill.

[@prettyboyblue643]

I'd have liked to see the artifact wipe out all the zerg at the end

[@Arzanthemehgamer]

Ask and ye shall receive kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmetl4KQrpuWn5o

[@glenncross4599]

@@Arzanthemehgamer Ah. You beat me to it

[@samiamrg7]

+Zenolegor GPU: “Why are we here? Just to suffer?”

[@gemcraft296]

Honestly wish someone would do a "In character reaction" to this and deathless as some of the Starcraft characters as a joke. Warfield would probably start drinking halfway through and Mengsk would just fucking give up on life. Dehaka would probably immediately betray the swarm to become Grant's apprentice and Abathur would either be foaming at the mouth denying that the footage is real or bouncing off the walls to try and break out so he can find and study Grant. Dunno about what the protoss's opinion would be but Alarak would probably spend most of the LOTV deathless run laughing at Artanis and mocking him for being an inept strategist when a "mere Terran" managed to do it so much better.

[@alexs5814]

I'll watch this show^^

[@justanothercommenterwithan9089]

wait untill the finale of lotv were alaraks reaction does a 180

[@hisokamorow6709]

As an Alarak fanboy (and main in HotS) i aprove of this message, Artanis is idd an inept strategist.

[@joshuakim5240]

Kerrigan is twitching with disbelief at Grant pulling off this impossible feat, Valerian's jaw has dropped as he's filling out every possible paperwork to give Grant Dominion command job openings, Stetman just throws out all his research due to coming to the conclusion that studying Grant's brain is way more productive, Rohanna eats crow and is fuming at how an "inferior species with orifices" has made all of the Protoss' greatest tacticians look like complete jokes, Artanis is cheering in delight at such an incredible feat of goodness being achieved (while trying his best to ignore Alarak laughing at him), Aisha recommends infesting Grant or taking his brain as the ultimate hivemind intelligence booster, Zagara is frantically trying to take notes on how the hell a deathless victory of an entire campaign is even remotely possible, and Zeratul would just throw away that prophecy stuff to just recruit Grant instead to beat Amon.

[@gemcraft296]

@@joshuakim5240 A welcome addition to my post, thank you sir!

[@bass-dc9175]

My approach for All In would be the following (and depending on how well one micro manages repairs: This may be possible) Step 1) Block off the main entrences and the highground with Engi bays. Step 2) Block off the Nydus Spawns in your base with MCs. However: Leave a 2x2 hole open in the green Area (41:05). Block that one with a unit / building under construction. We will need that later. Step 3) Float a Baracks to the west, where GGG kited Kerrigan. Kerrigan will be lured to the left side with a reaper, which dies, causing Kerrigan to attack the floating building. Move it ontop of Kerrigan. She is now disabled for the entire mission. (her range attack has a minimum range) Step 4) Focus on repairs. Let the buildings fall below 50% and use the auto repair as much as possible. Step 5) Produce a few spectres on the highground. (Use them to stun enemies to reduce damage further) Step 6) Once the Nyduses do not spawn anymore units, clear the Location in Step 2). A nydus will spawn in that slot, reducing the area for range attackers later on. Step 7) Mine out the base and float all buildings (except for the kerrigan distraction barracks) to the highground. Step 8) Let the lowground fall. Step 9) Set a patrol for the floating buildings from the Leviathan position towards the green Nydus spawn area. The goal of this is to absorb hydralisk fire from time to time and let the autorepair heal the buildings to 50% again for free. Use Spectre stuns to reset hydralisk target priorities. Step 10) Continue untill no minerals are left or the mission is won. Research choice: Science Vessel: In Step 4) and 9) a few vessels could be set to hold position in your base. A few hercules could patrol over your walls to catch hydra fire and towards the vessels again, then this would further reduce repair cost in the long run. Ravens: Throughout the mission, Deffense drones would drastically reduce hydralisk DPS. BONUS: This is not seed reliant. Game Safes are an option now. ____________________________________________________________________________ ALTERNATIVE STEPS: If a slight rule adjustment is granted then the mission could be made a bit easier. That being: The arena fight for the Protoss mission. If the arena can be skipped / or the rules are adjusted to take into account required kills (which these two hydras would fall into, as they are required) then additional Money and zerg research could be unlocked. Cellular reactor: Makes all missions involving ravens / SV and Spectres easier. Psi disrupter: A huge 50% dps reduction. This is all locked behind Wispers of Doom. And with these tools, I have little doubt that All In could be reasonably possible. Also the following research can be gained regardless: - The brutalisk on The Devil's Playground - The brutalisk on piercing the Shroud (Potentially kiting it towards the mech room) These would unlock Cellular reactor without the protoss missions

[@tassadar101r]

Boy i can't wait to see the genocidal monster that is Kerrigan as a pacifist XD

[@mys721tx]

Finally Artanis is right for once.

[@sergritm]

I'm pretty sure he said that HotS and LotV pacifist is impossible due to lack of repair mechanics. Who knows though.

[@anarchistlilia]

@@sergritm I think queens and shield batteries might make it possible

[@matejkarlik6617]

@@anarchistlilia Shield batteries definetly not, as they can´t mass replanish shields and queens are pretty expensive, so I am not sure about defending a lot of the early-game agression.

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

@@anarchistlilia they have 2 major issue 1. They are energy based so unless you input cheat code they'll be at 0 energy after couple min 2.they can heal structure/unit only one at a time. Most of transfuse doesn't stack because dot heal part doesn't stack and thats majority of healing in campaign unlike ladder. Shield battery straight up cant heal the target if another battery is healing it (like how 5 medic cant heal 1 marine)

[@manueldossantos8904]

"im a hero" "no, youre a martyr" is such a specter feel

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I think Pacifist is one of, if not my favorite challenge you've done. Even though it was extremely painful to watch the resets and the frustration build, and even if the strategies tended to boil down to "SCV repair + Spectre shenanigans", I feel like it pushed you so hard, and that it forced you to learn so much specific information about how the game works and its triggers, that the end product was such an impressive display of technical knowledge and precise tactics, that it was super satisfying to watch. Forcing a game to let you win without doing the MAIN THING that you are supposed to do to win, is just fun.

[@taewoosuh9323]

No wonder Davey snapped and went full Genocidal Maniac. Great video though! I wonder if someone might be able to hack the game to forcibly feed it the perfect RNG for that one impossible scenario.

[@pendekarmando1096]

I was bummed out that you didn't released the twitch vod for all in but im so glad that you released this instead. Keep up the great work Grant!

[@markcheong2549]

ikr would’ve been so excited to watch the breakout vod

[@lmnisop5516]

That's a hilarious ending. Sorry your efforts didn't end up with a victory but it was a great vid

[@davidmcdonnel4831]

But now he has his filler content to stream until the sun dies out!

[@BoydTheMilkmanX]

He failed in the second mission cuz his rule says no damaging other enemy units which he reiterates again in the New Folsom mission.....But in Outlaws his marines damaged a bunch of dominion marines and you can see them at half hp.

[@ISAF_Ace]

gg GGG, your patience is honestly legendary with this challenge

[@Sullian_dF]

If he'd been *really* patient he would have waited the whole 40 billion years

[@madmantheepic7278]

Bruh

[@brylythhighlights4335]

Oh god, I remember coming in on your Twitch stream for the final mission. Feels like it was ages ago, you seemed completely broken at the time. I have massive respect for you coming back after that and getting this video out anyways. It's people like you that make this website amazing.

[@SwissSareth]

45:17 for people having difficulties wrapping their head around that number: that's more than three times as long as our universe has existed.

[@laughingalex7563]

Stars wont even be forming anymore and all begin dying by then lol. (Eh disregard this, thats after 100 trillion years). Ok that wont happen for another some number of trillion years but still things will be a little colder(ok, main thing is andromeda and milkyway collision, derp).

[@douglasroche7641]

Pretty sure pacifist is impossible for Zerg and Protoss. Terran repair, healing, and floating building are so critical for this.

[@wfchannel4673]

zerg might be possible as almost every mission you just get a hero unit that can tank its way to the objective and ignore pretty much every other aspect of the game. the mission where you control stukov is the only one that really jumps out at me as difficult as stukov kinda sucks.

[@joshuakim5240]

Weirdly enough, probably the only LOTV mission that might be possible to Pacifist is Salvation, and that's by building several mass pylon+shield battery walls as the allies do the attacking. That and spamming Energizers or Havoks (either spam buffs on allies or endlessly alternate casting force fields...for the entire mission duration).

[@owentang546]

@@joshuakim5240 -Reckoning- and -Death From Above- can probably be done with the speedrun cheese. NOTE: Nope. Reckoning requires killing a missile turret, and Death From Above a science vessel.

[@az-kalaak6215]

@@wfchannel4673 zerg is impossible since you have to wipe out a protoss fleet

[@santiagotamulis5833]

I love how you play the game in completely different way than it was intended and still manage to make it entertaining Some of the best gaming content on KZbin

[@julian246810]

I guess it wasnt possible to "force" the nyduses to spawn in the required positions by blocking all other legal spawn spots with buildings in all in? Anyways insane work as always, GG and WP! :)

[@Oskanwhitchfather]

It *_might_* be. Technically, but the issue is keeping them alive long enough to get the Nidus worms to spawn. Which, if I'm not mistaken, is "fuck you for trying" levels of hard.

[@MythrilZenith]

The issue is that while he can block the in-base spawns, he can't block every other possible spawn location for the orange spawns - they can spawn outside the base in the middle of the zerg units.

[@julian246810]

@@MythrilZenith Yeah I guess, I just thought that it might be possible to really drop the odds by a lot doing that in theory. But as my original comment said, it probably isnt possible ;)

[@BobMcBobJr]

​@@Oskanwhitchfather Not really possible because he has to block all the lanes of attack very quickly and putting them out further increases the number he has to build. Then he'd need to construct a massive number of buildings to block off all available spots except the ones he wants. Then those Nydus would start spawning enemies that would try to clear space for the next waves of nydus so he'd need to have a wall ready for that. I don't think it is possible to have enough income for that.

[@nemou4985]

@@BobMcBobJr Bunkers and sell them after the nydus

[@cbalinefourcba4615]

I mean, with that thumbnail, I thought "winning WoL with only nuke"

[@spikem5950]

Wings of Liberty: Ghandi Edition

[@cpugwash7085]

Pacifist is impressive enough in something like Age of Empires where you have monks. This, on the other hand... Wow. Congratulations for getting so close!

[@JBrander]

I can only imagine how draining this would be to do. Ya got my respect.

[@AceHawk37]

This is a work of art. I will tell my children I was there when some of this happened. Truly your magnum opus

[@alexs5814]

still think that the ultimate greatest of games was the one with the furbolgs in the end but yeah, this one WAS delicious to watch.

[@peffiSC2source]

Oh boy, my saturday morning just got a whole lot better! Looking forward to watching it and thanks for the content :)

[@kitkup8570]

Just make it so the Nidus Worms can only spawn where you want them to. You've proven that you can force them not to spawn locations you don't want them, so just do that but with making them spawn where you want them.

[@bluerendar2194]

The problem comes if two nydus are supposed to be lined up with each other - then it can spawn in-between as well, i.e. |XX|XX| |XX|XX|XX| _______|XX| but then it does _|XX|_ _|XX|_|XX| ______|XX| spawn instead, which is extra likely since the game will try up to 5 times to make nydus not spawn next to each other Maybe this makes the math a bit more reasonable though?

[@kitkup8570]

@@bluerendar2194 Nidus take up 4 spots, in order for what you said to be true you would have to want them to be spawning with 2 of their spots touching another. The formation that he shows only has 1 spot touching the other Nidus making it impossible for what you said to happen. For what you said to work you would need a Nidus side gap between each Nidus, but the formation doesn't allow such a gap. So again the chance is still 100%, if you know a way to get infite minerals or something using commands (I don't) you could test it and prove me wrong. Otherwise I'm rather confident that you can make it 100% chance. (But there may be an issue is it not being possible to block off all the spawn locations in a real game due to mineral budget)

[@alexandrunicolae1054]

@@kitkup8570 he represented the nyduses as 2 spaces but use your imagination each |xx| is obviously a 2x2 square, not a 2x1 line, so the formations he shows do have 2 of the 4 squares touching, in any case thinking in more simpler terms, you need 3 nyduses alligned perfectly in a 2x6 rectangle, however after the 1st nydus spawns perfectly in the first thrid of the rectangle, the 2nd nydus has a very high chance (since it rolls 5 times for this chance) to spawn on both the 2nd and the 3rd slot of nyduses in the rectangle, basically having a 2x1 gap in between the first one thus ruining the wall.

[@mattguy4140]

Absolutely masterful. I love your challenge videos, every day I see you in my feed is a good day!

[@SoyJuIia]

Honestly i thought you scratched this and it would never come but appreciate it. I loved watching this on stream and you're at least in my opinion one of the top sc2 creators out there very underrated

[@orastem]

I was worried you wouldn't publish this. This is your challenge run I'm impressed with the most. Going completely against the grain of what RTS is about and still succeeding is amazing. Your analysis of All-in is so convincing and complete that I count it as a success :)

[@alexzech7866]

Absolutely amazing run, Grant. I've seen the stream VODs too and it was clear how difficult achieving this was and what crazy strategies you had to come up with for some of these. Great job!

[@Antare5]

Grant, thank you for more amazing content and I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to have your kind of patience. Bravo sir

[@NHTStudios]

Oh baby my body is ready!

[@Gurmudgin]

The poor bunker of death has been on such an emotional journey with this channel, I just feel happy to see it whenever it appears. Like a long lost friend here to ruin another run.

[@theKonfusion]

So happy to see this run finally on a video on the main channel! you're a madlad Grant!

[@LandBark]

Great series! Waited for it for a long time! Good job :P

[@lunalu9117]

Oh boy finally the video has been released on the main channel this is gonn be pogg

[@petrmatko6628]

Yo you actually tried it! Thanks so much for putting your time into this :D

[@southpawdevelopment]

Glad you decided to make a video out of this, I loved the series on the archive

[@lewismalcolm3536]

Goodness gracious the level of detail you go into on every one of these runs in incredible. Thank you for generating such interesting internety content, your uploads are must-watches for me regardless of how long they are. Cheers Grant!

[@sergeyk9060]

I like Grant's ability and mission descriptions. Noticed they were not generic when I read Grant's description of Furion's summon treents ability.

[@Mr123igottapee]

I've never played SC2, I know almost nothing about the game... yet I still always watch your videos when they come out man. Great job creating engaging content.

[@Bucketfriend]

Having watched pretty much every one of your challenge runs over the past year or so, the pacifist run is one I have come back to multiple times (I guess I, too, am a masochist for wanting to watch 3+ hours of Gates of Hell). Thank you so much for finally uploading a main channel video for this run and giving it a proper send off!!

[@moritz252]

Fantastic video, I love the effort and time you put into those videos and the end was great!

[@hunterb412]

I saw the amazing VODs of each mission on the 2nd channel. Everyone should follow over there, it’s great!

[@SittingOnEdgeman]

Holy cow. I was there for a lot of All In, but I didn't realize how crazy the odds really were. Thank you for making this video. At the end of the day, everyone loves RNG in an RTS right? :)

[@diddymelone2265]

wow, this is so impressive :O ever since I have seen your wc3 deathless runs, I was in love with your content. I said this multiple times already, but well it is once again your most amazing challenge yet! ok I mean blindfolded lotv was also insane, but I consider this more fun and interesting (to watch, not necessarily to play). keep it up, you brave brave crazy person.

[@ianilgner5556]

never played an rts before, let alone starcraft, and i thoroughly enjoyed this! the way you explained all of the problems you ran into was super helpful :)

[@arivald6677]

The odds for correct Nydus spawns seems to be a little bit higher than odds of me ever rolling 5-star on typical gacha game as a f2p...

[@MythrilZenith]

Been waiting for this one. Pacifist was the first series on the Archives I watched all the way through!

[@KaitoGillscale]

That last bundle of testing and looking-up-info was...so impressive for me to listen to. Just for the time you spent on this doomed run earned you a sub. GG, chief.

[@mildlybland]

Im so happy i found you grant you make this 10 year old game still so much fun to watch and play, youre the best!

[@Ricardo_Rick]

In my opinion i think the protoss missions should be fair game: the rules said that you can't kill things unless you are required to do so in order to progress the mission, and in that mission you were required to do just that, so i think you should have done it. Also, can someone ask a Mod to artificially make all in doable in pacifist? just so you can actually test the theory?

[@akilotus]

Yet to live through the Protoss missions is another story, considering: - no repairing, a.k.a. much more difficulties defending the base (and some missions are just littered with hazardous stuff, i.e. Steps of the Rite) - accidental unit attacks (I can think of The Host at the very fraction of second after the shard being down)

[@AmryL]

I agree with Ricardo; the UI does not state it, but the code explicitly make you kill units. I'd like to see the solution for mission 2.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

@@akilotus no, i meant the zeratul missons, not LOTV

[@hiei49]

Yeah, outside killing those ground zerg units there is not too much on the first 3 Protoss missions. Missions 1 and 3 can be completed by walking zeratul around the map. In mission 2 you distract Maar with your units as much as you can while sneaking 3-4 Dark Templars past the cannons and killing the 3 preservers at the same time. I dont think in Utter Darkness is possible. Killing enemies is part of the objective, but Broodlings dont count for that and im pretty sure Nydus also dont count. And you dont have the tools to survive Broodlings while dealing with the attacks and not killing the Broodlings by accident. But the thing is, with enough Zerg Research from those missions, hive mind emulator could be helpful for All In to get rid of Hydras and Roaches without killing them.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

@@hiei49 indeed, i think he should have done those, but ohh well

[@thenihilanth3382]

The work here is insane Not losing a single Unit was already a pain But this is on a whole another level.

[@thoughtgaming492]

So glad this finally got the video it deserved. Was on the edge of my seat the entire time in the vods.

[@vahidmoosavian6313]

This is why I never get tired of watching your videos.so very well done man. And please tell me you are getting enough rest! This line of work is guaranteed to have extra pressure on you, and that's before all this insanity has entered the picture!

[@-Raylight]

Even if Grant and Raynor didn't kill anyone... Donny will find a way to make it like you're killing millions xD I love how the solution to breakout is not to do anything. _Perfectly balanced as all things should be_

[@user-tw3ik6lb2u]

Just 47 billion years of retries. Gotta blitz it next time when you go ‘little over usual stream end mark’.

[@Leopoldshark]

Deathless-era Grant would have done it. He's gone soft after finishing the series. /s

[@temirbek2004]

Great job, thx for this video, it was exciting

[@FreedeerF]

soooo much fun in your channel! Thanks

[@bachpham6862]

"Feeling confident, I head to the " is going to be the new "The objective of is super unique"

[@heimcrab7556]

So what you’re saying is Dream will manage to beat All In as a pacifist?

[@EPiCsAuCeE]

Good video, liked the more numbers oriented technical analysis you pulled out in a couple places

[@colossaldonut5190]

This video made me learn way more about campaign triggers than I think I'd ever know! Great video! Sincerely, a person who has only managed to beat this on casual.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

You've created a legion of exploits for the rest of the Starcraft 2 community to use. I've only played a couple games of Starcraft, but I thank you on behalf of the community!

[@LordOfNothingreally]

When I saw you were trying a pacifist run my first thought was "Ha. I'd like to see him do All In."

[@chrisallen877]

Thanks GiantGrantGames, I hadn't played Starcraft II since it first released in 2010 and me and my friends at the time stopped playing multiplayer in roughly 2011. 12 years later I finally experienced the majesty that is Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void. I am now playing through the Nova: Covert Ops campaign all inspired by watching your fantastic videos!

[@TheVortexBlazter]

Im surprised you attempted this on normal, good work, and amazing video as always :D

[@TheSniperpal]

Every time I think Grant has reached peak madman, he surpasses his limitations. Well done !

[@zaxtonhong3958]

I forgot how sick of a mission Media Blitz is in this run

[@MonsieurNab]

After watching several nightmare streams, I can't but appreciate the amount of work and frustration behind these videos. what you may see as "oh, he found a trick, send one marine behind, tada" is actually tries and tries and tries and luck and tries stacked.

[@theov3rmind]

You absolute mad man! I love these challenges. My friends and I used to put arbitrary restraints on ourselves as well when the original SC was too easy. We did a lot of Halo CE with arbitrary restraints as well. Nothing like this though. You're a legend!

[@Kr4mpus_]

AWESOME!

[@araonthedrake4049]

Regarding the final RNG consideration: The best part? Even if it were possible to actually replay the game enough times to play it the X times calculated in the 1 in x chance for the perfect spawn... that is still a PROBABILITY, not a guarantee. As in - just like with a coin toss (which is a probability of 50/50) you can still get several heads in a row, you're not guaranteed to alternate... so you could technically get the perfect nydus spawns on your attempts no. 1234567890, or it may not happen until 4 quadrillion, 6, 8 or any other number of games. While the math works out that there is a chance for this to happen, it is also realistic for it to never happen, or happen eventually, but far beyond the calculated number of attempts.

[@Popepaladin]

It could also happen on the first try. I hope he tried at least once just in case.

[@LetsPlayBojangles]

Insta clicked when I woke up this morning. Love the speedruns and challenges!

[@toninhosoldierhelmet4033]

this is the type of content i've aways been itching for

[@goodboisam7912]

LET'S GO

[@THEBLACKIproductions]

It could've been possible to let the leviathan die in shatter the sky if you got the timing right... Though in Stu's speedrun (where i've seen this technique) he obviously has no restriction on killing enemys

[@gimmethegepgun]

Brood lords will still inevitably kill him though.

[@SashaXXY]

Nice! I never got into sc2 after spending so much time on the original, but I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you!

[@vincentgo5297]

Holy shit what an absolute madman. GG you're crazy dude. Well done I bow to you