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@m3sca16 жыл бұрын
I bought 7 of these...3 cool 4 warm. One of my panels has some dim lines across it at low voltage but can't see it when at 12 Volts
@m3sca16 жыл бұрын
I am running 7 off a 20Amp PWM motor controller, at 13.8V with about 50% duty cycle. They are warm, not hot. Working well. I had the power supply already so only in it for the cost of the panels and the rig to hold it which I made from PVC conduit and fittings.
@ddtblack6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this information! Ever since I've seen this style of cob on big Clive's channel I wandered how well these cheap large ones perform compared to better quality cobs
@cheeseface996 жыл бұрын
High bay shop fixtures
@phenosgardenupdate5126 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing the legwork and finding these different types of panels and reviewing them for us. Without this type of information we wouldn't be able to find deals that are actual good ones considering the amount of crappy LED lights out
@jacobfreeman34613 жыл бұрын
i have been using 3 of these lights in my living room hooked up to a battery pack from my solar panels they are very bright and have been burning without any heat sinks on them for over 3 years now lighting my living room every night with not one pixel out yet. i used 4 in a home made grow using 12v 5amp power to each and they worked great, actually worked better than a mars hydro 1000, better spectrum for flowering in the 3500 range. I would even dangle on on the sides for side lighting hanging from the wire it was attached to. cant let the lights touch the walls they will overheat and blow. they are a cheap solution to a home made grow light that will work as good if not better than the expensive ones because its the right spectrum for flowering. they do get hot enough that you will pull your hand away because it burns if you touch the back. but it has not affected their operation for the past 3 years now. I have been testing them to see how many years they will light for and we are over 3 now almost 4 years..
@MattGarver6 жыл бұрын
Shane, you never cease to amaze and entertain. Always a pleasure to grab a cup of coffee and geek out over good science. Thanks for the review. As for me, I will skip over the small lights and start at 65w, 100w, and higher for small grows.
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt
@Yelnats1013 жыл бұрын
im a cree cxb 3590 person, dont go cheap
@leedavidstone6 жыл бұрын
Chuck a heat sink on the back. Crank it up and see what it can do before it pops!!
@NoahNobody6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Kill it! Kill it!
@craigtimbrell49326 жыл бұрын
Do it!!
@morgantschirhart48455 жыл бұрын
Agree
@griseldajan26394 жыл бұрын
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@Handscold24 жыл бұрын
@@griseldajan2639 Cannot find on Instagram
@Heathenishism6 жыл бұрын
Hey Shane, when will you be updating your soil vs hydro series? I'm really interested to see the progress.
@BulletmanDoom6 жыл бұрын
I've been experimenting with 2 of these and found they were fine at 3 amps as long as there was enough heatsink on them. I tried them on a bigger supply but I couldn't see any difference to the output and they seem fine as they are.
@pequodexpress3 жыл бұрын
Was your power supply 12v 3 amps? Did this allow maximum brightness?
@angelisone5 жыл бұрын
MIGRO, what app (1:16) when looking for Android that you have? Is lux in the 5000K ranges?
@juliansiegmann98904 жыл бұрын
Spectrum Genius Agricultural Lightning on Android :)
@sariihover47986 жыл бұрын
What about your test of ikea growlight
@youssefhadire64065 жыл бұрын
would it be possible to use this panel for a grobox pc?
@johnsmith-qu9is3 жыл бұрын
I have been running 1 of these lights as lighting over my computer at 34 watts for the past 2.5 years with no trouble. its very bright at 34 watts. this one has been hooked to a 16v tesla battery i built with voltage regulator and dimmer switch. the others I hooked to a 12vdc 5 amp power adapter and even those only got up to around 34 watts, those ones I gave to a friend after burning them for 2.5 years and only 3 leds on the board were out only on one board. the other 3 working fine. .
@Terry123456 жыл бұрын
Would it make a good car dome light replacement?
@tyler79durdan5 жыл бұрын
I see a Migro 100 in the aquarium. is it slightly under water? I have a 7 foot long 200 gallon. Today i almost ordered 2x migro 200 for a total of 4 lights. my only issue is the red side of the spectrum seems slightly lacking and the greens are wasting a ton of energy, but i guess the ppfd of the units really make up for the spectrum issues.
@billyortiz6165 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, I'm completely new to COBs but hoping to learn much more!
@HYBECTIVE5 жыл бұрын
Billy Ortiz same here :D I want to build my own bike light with them
@billyortiz6165 жыл бұрын
@@HYBECTIVE that would be so cool to see! Good luck on it.
@viKrecords10005 жыл бұрын
Hi, this giant leds are powerful I tested under water to about 125W OK. But you can easy go to 100W with air heatsink & fan for massive light. voltage needs to go around 14-14,6V around 7A but keep current limited and good air circulation. For long use go to 70-80W power.
@vrantibilash4 жыл бұрын
Which type of power supply you suggest for this LED Panel?
@mattiamerusi82473 жыл бұрын
Hi there... wanting to play with something similar.. is there any dimmrable driver you would suggest to buy ( maybe capable to be used with an installment of 4 of this lights? and how is the spectrum of the light? comparable to a samsun 301 led?
@jacobaikey85006 жыл бұрын
How hot would these panels get if run by a 3s lipo battery and a 2 amp regulator? I have a large rc airplane that I want to put some downward facing led panels under the wings without melting them. Each wing is about 8 inches by 3 feet and made of epo foam. Would you have any suggestions? Thanks for your time...
@madtattergh2kt1156 жыл бұрын
I'm here in the US, and I need to figure out the difference between your price, and the US?? I'm trying to something that most people forgot to do!!, so your video was very good, and I'll try to add that too list of GOOD PEOPLE TO TRUST!! Hope you have a VERY GOOD day!!
@robsaxepga6 жыл бұрын
So Shane I've got to be honest..grow lighting technology is boring AF to me but you make it interesting. Thank you for that!
@Beardy-plays5 жыл бұрын
Boring as fuck is right. This guy doesn't make it interesting at all.
@JesseDahirKanehl6 жыл бұрын
It would be great to see what the results of some of the cheap driverless chips are. For small applications the driver is a big cost of the setup when you look at total costs of the setup and electricity over ~5 year grow period.
@bedrichrudolf1376 жыл бұрын
What about Epistar 50W (Red and Blue or Full Specteum) chip? How good or bad is this chip?
@MrNoyazz6 жыл бұрын
All red and blue spectrum chips are bad, with white you will have same red and blue spectrum + more power + wider spectrum...
@OligosFew5 жыл бұрын
Why do I hear that some folks are running driverless cobs? If I was off grid in a dc system, no a.c. or inverter could I figure a way to start some seedlings in the house before spring to get a jump on planting? In the off grid community everyone wants this but no one offers it and the smarter of us who solve the problem don't seem to be bothered to share the solution..
@njbaquatics48275 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why they keep making these massive claims about the consumption of these LEDs were always to the BS thanks to people like yourself so why do they continue to do it they must watch these films just like the rest of us absolutely bonkers and thanks again mate keep up the good work I’ve just ordered your 600 W kit can’t wait to see how it performs
@cocospops93516 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane. Any chance you could do some tests with those 220v driverless (built in driver) cobs?
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
I'll pick some up on ebay soon and have a look, thanks
@federicocarnales11496 жыл бұрын
@@MIGROLIGHT I second this request! Would love to see how these driverless COBs perform in terms of PPFD per watt, particularly the 20W white version which I suspect is more efficient than the 50W (they both seem to have the same number of diodes with the 20W being driven at a lower current which would make it more efficient). The "full spectrum" version I suspect is pretty bad, though it would still be interesting to see the real world data. Love your vids by the way, keep up the good work!
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
I have some on the way from eBay. Stay tuned
@cocospops93516 жыл бұрын
@@MIGROLIGHT Nice one! If they're good it could drive the price of lights way down i.e no external driver needed ☺
@iansammons27306 жыл бұрын
@@cocospops9351 I'm buying a couple cheap ones to try them out myself (110v here though)... You can buy 50 watt kits with fan/heatsink/reflector/builtindriver/cable for $15-20... Just need a 12v PSU to power the heatsink fan (Can be had for
@Ser-xk1pu4 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you have information on Cob Led Luna 80 / Fc Opto / 100w / 3.200k? Thanks.
@nucleo17724 жыл бұрын
I have the same big cob led but my is blinking after few minutes. I instal nice heat sink and pc fan so my cob is almost cold. I power this cob with 12v 1A power supply as they said on website and..... MY COB STILL BLINKING :(((( why?
@elduroperes19146 жыл бұрын
ese led grande donde lo concigo y de cuantos watt es si se podriera saver un Link diresto para conseguirlos
@XsavioR385 жыл бұрын
may i ask , is that a special meter for the spectrum or an app on the phone?
@alexpmK34 жыл бұрын
par meter
@nadzmalin24275 жыл бұрын
Can use 24v dc??
@MyCanemalato4 жыл бұрын
Which shop do you buy it from?
@nealapple91924 жыл бұрын
Is this the 7000 lumens one
@siayourcannaguy61066 жыл бұрын
better then some spectrum king models? is this true?
@volvo096 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't doubt it... Quite a few of their older lights were quite a bit less efficient than a traditional single ended hps light. Granted that's only one aspect of a light, and not their stated goal as far as I know, but yes I believe it. Haven't looked up efficiency on their latest lights, but I would guess they're still "middle pack".
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I tested their range last year and MLH 100W was 1.1ppfd per watt and 400+ was 1.3 I think.
@barryfields29646 жыл бұрын
Don’t tell liquid Jade that.
@siayourcannaguy61066 жыл бұрын
no doubt eh? That's crazy. I think most LED lights are way to expensive for whatthey are
@НовиСадСрбија6 жыл бұрын
Spectrum king is overpriced as any light in that range. Believe it ......
@GaminginHDR6 жыл бұрын
What brand spectroradiometer are you using I'm thinking of getting one and yours looks great I see you can view results directly on your phone.
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
It's the Asensetek Passport
@seanwood5443 Жыл бұрын
y not run it a the max volts of 14 then just actively cool it ??
@Huskie-6 жыл бұрын
Shane you know how they say Hps should be 12-24 inch away from canopy, some led's 36 inch away and Cmh around 20 inch's, how close to the canopy could I get these if i wanted to do a vertically stacked grow? Like a 1 sq metre grow with another 1 sq meter grow stacked on top of it (doubling floor space). Led's seem like the way to go for heat in this setup, but I only have 2.2 metre in height, so its the is the light to canopy distance that is the problem (taking up precious height space that i don't want to give up). A bunch of these would give me a meter sq of coverage (I would cool them) BUT how close can I get them to the canopy and still get top notch 'Indoor Tomatoes'? Also would the penetration to the lower 'Tomato Bud's' be Ok? Lets say in 12 inch's of foliage from top of canopy to where it was 'lolly-popped'? #420 #Top Cola's #SOG/SCROG :)
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
I'd go for HLG QUANTUM boards and run them at low current. You can run them 15cm above the canopy with very little heat. They are much more efficient than the eBay ones and good value too.
@Huskie-6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the super fast reply will like the vid. Last question what system would you use to maximise head room? nft? i think ebb and flow needs at least 12 inch root bed??
@seventhletter91286 жыл бұрын
WANTED to see you do a par reading on KESSIL.. H380 and H150... ?
@m3sca16 жыл бұрын
I have been looking at these. Is there an advantage to mixing warm white with cool? I have a bunch of household warm white with some cool white...vegging well. No grow LED's in there...bout 6000 Lumens warm and 2000 Lumens cold. I was thinking of mixng warm and cool with these panels.
@FinehomesofNewHampshire6 жыл бұрын
100% theres an advantage. 😀
@FinehomesofNewHampshire6 жыл бұрын
Kelvins....
@m3sca16 жыл бұрын
@@FinehomesofNewHampshire thanks for that. There is quite a lot of heat off the warm whites (too hot to touch) so there is a portion of IR there too
@FinehomesofNewHampshire6 жыл бұрын
@@m3sca1 mix the panels 6:4 or 7:3 with your warm kelvin the predominant.
@m3sca16 жыл бұрын
thanks man, great info
@stealthtrees966 жыл бұрын
Are the lights in the tank behind you under water?
@sirhchris80876 жыл бұрын
Stealth Trees THIS!!! I kept looking at it in the aquarium.
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Yes but the fish cower down at the bottom of the tank even when the light is at 10%. The plan was to have it in the background with fish swimming around but it backfired! so I've ordered a 5 watt driver for it. Hopefully it won't scare the fish any more😎
@vista50746 жыл бұрын
I have major heat issues running this thing with a cheap 12v 2a power supply. In free air the cob is burning hot after 20 minutes of light. Could I add a resistor or some other load to lower the max current to ~1.7a?
@Knasen35 жыл бұрын
I'm currently running two of these in series using a constant current, 2.5 A driver. I built a heatsink from aluminum profile and mounted a 90 mm fan on each and now they're running nice and cold 👌
@honeyballleckda16996 жыл бұрын
Have 2... With heatsinks at 12,15v 4,2 amp.... They perform rly nice...
@Knasen36 жыл бұрын
What kind of driver do you use? Do you think I could drive 2 of these in parallel from a 100w, 12v power supply?
@gorrthebutcher46965 жыл бұрын
@@Knasen3 i use pc power supply runs very well
@Knasen35 жыл бұрын
@@gorrthebutcher4696 ok! I'm running mine on a 2.5 amp constant current supply now. Works great!
@infinixs4blue655 жыл бұрын
Hi, Can i also use this in my room? or just for cars or small area like growing area
@alexpmK34 жыл бұрын
Perfect for car battery's Voltage, keep the battery's charged up though.... fuse it too
@TroyWatsonYEG6 жыл бұрын
What model of specte radiometer are you using? Is it paired with your phone?
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Asensetek Passport and the 'SGAL' app for Android
@jakecarvey6 жыл бұрын
What app and hardware are you using to measure the color spectrum?
@jakecarvey6 жыл бұрын
ah - Asense.
@sarim885 жыл бұрын
Hi. Can u please do a review of the bestva 600w elite. It's a cheap light it's doing good for me but I'm really curious to know the par measurements.
@Khaymen2235 жыл бұрын
@@solemasta2036 I think HLG is selling now on Amazon lol....so....yeah there's that one
@honeyballleckda16996 жыл бұрын
Is that the warm white Panel?
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Yes 3500k
@honeyballleckda16996 жыл бұрын
@@MIGROLIGHT Plz test the CF-PAR150 with your equipment :) We all love to see this lights tested from you.
@GtJrGrowsItAlaska6 жыл бұрын
You tested the color spectrum with an app on your phone? What is the name of it?
@GtJrGrowsItAlaska6 жыл бұрын
Never mind, found it.
@whitefordpipeshandmadebymi72386 жыл бұрын
Hey thanks man 😊 interesting video ! Take care! Peace ✌️ from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
@TheMisanthrope.6 жыл бұрын
Lucky duck...October 17th...BRING IT ON! Moved to Ireland in 2000 and now I'm trapped here (financially). I guess the way forward now is citizenship and activism and hopefully the government will see the light...the Migro light, that is :D
@mikedisher306 жыл бұрын
Wow wow have a buddy said it was the armpit of niagara region rotfl 🤣
@whitefordpipeshandmadebymi72386 жыл бұрын
Mike Disher yes 😊 and the “Golden Horseshoe” is the armpit of North America lol I don’t know why I live here lol
@whitefordpipeshandmadebymi72386 жыл бұрын
Aim Higher yes getting closer to a day I actually thought would never come ! Take care 😊
@mikedisher306 жыл бұрын
WHITEFORD PIPES HANDMADE By Michael David it’s alright good party town 👍
@RoyAndrews823 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank a million.
@maxlevett74746 жыл бұрын
Shane, what is the app on your phone?
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
The 'SGAL' app by Asensetek
@firecloud776 жыл бұрын
It needs Lighting Passport attachment --- $1,300 www.lightingpassport.com/
@maxlevett74746 жыл бұрын
DOH!
@xcipherx5 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great work!
@lscouser13446 жыл бұрын
Still cheaper then MIGRO'S cheapest light that they offer @ a crazy £300 and that's the cheapest including p+p Would love to own a migro light but way out my grow budget 😭 great video very informative 👍
@iamgroot85106 жыл бұрын
Awesome update
@loganleborgne4206 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for sharing all this with us! Are you going to try a few Alibaba qb's?(LM301B) There is good deals on the lm501c since people wants LM301B now! Have a lifted one and lots of good vibes from France!
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'll get one in for test soon. Looks interesting
@FXPips116 жыл бұрын
First time ive seen ebay cob fully lite at low watt
@venkateswararaopv45465 жыл бұрын
Ind price ple
@dudeistlenny36096 жыл бұрын
Isn't PPFD measured over a square metre? I believe what you measured was the average PPF over a two foot square area.
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Full details in the description. 44 PPFD over 60cm x 60cm area. 44/0.36m2 = 122 average. Good enough for growing seedlings over 60cm x 60cm.
@DM-sc4zy4 жыл бұрын
@@MIGROLIGHT Might be A bit late. Would it be sufficient to grow lettuces/herbs over 60x60?
@techfive72026 жыл бұрын
I find the amount of DM in the new kw2511 disappointing. Prefer the y12vkb. Best around. Great vid
@viKrecords10005 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Great vlog skills. YOU need to boost voltage to 14,5V to get real 100W U can also run it under water. It will act as heatsink. U can go up to 125W no problem. Huge light!
@ESumner5 жыл бұрын
viK iS here how does one boost voltage? Thx!
@rub3nelmillor5 жыл бұрын
Have you tested it underwater? how do you isolate it?
@charlie1238666 жыл бұрын
these would be good for a solar setup..in winter you could draw enough energy to light them..? in a greenhouse possibly?
@Grow_2_Blow4 жыл бұрын
I found that using my led garage lights from Amazon 60 watts is enough to cover a 2x4 grow tent.
@stephenspence11534 жыл бұрын
Name of lights?
@hksjoshua5 жыл бұрын
is that underwater weed behind you? lol
@XxxCR1SPYxxX5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@XxxCR1SPYxxX5 жыл бұрын
Might work
@ronaldeverson68485 жыл бұрын
You should be able to run it at 11.5 volts at 3.05 amps = 35.075 watts with it being cool to the touch that's like running a thousand watt RMS amplifier on a thousand watt RMS subwoofer being played at 500w RMS you could play it forever without it burning out or getting hot,, or 14 volts at 3.6amp = 50.4 watts or 3.5= 49 watts but you would need some form of cooling or heat sink,,, love the videos 702 out✌✌......
@Savkezemun16 жыл бұрын
Are you James Blunt’s brother?
@Heathenishism6 жыл бұрын
I saw this before, someone on KZbin was stress testing it. Yeah, funny COB.
@AthosRac3 жыл бұрын
It is 70w with 24v...
@triggeral5 жыл бұрын
LOVE IT, Thank you for sharing
@maxlevett74746 жыл бұрын
cunning plan using that M100 to heat up the fish tank
@mfive72746 жыл бұрын
Hi is it feasible to connect this to a plug in 12v 2 amp power supply which was for a TV?
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Sure is. Im going to do sonerhing similar with an old laptop power supply. At 12v and 2amps. The backplane is about 3mm thick aluminium so no problem with cooling. Perfect for seedlings in a 30cm x 39cm box. Neat👍
@kitetastic6 жыл бұрын
run of a 30amp 12v variable cb radio psu surely it will only draw what ampage it needs if its anything like how a tranceiver draws its amps :)
@mjyanimations10625 жыл бұрын
You need big heat sink. Will overheat
@thedillestpickle5 жыл бұрын
Looking for one of these in 4000k
@BlackHatMediaVids6 жыл бұрын
Put some black insulation tape on the back to let the heat escape better
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
I actually think they're anodized. The temp reading with IR was spot on which indicates good emmissivity.
@BlackHatMediaVids6 жыл бұрын
@@MIGROLIGHT the Ali must be coated or anodised to have a higher emissivity, anodised is around .75, if coated with plastic coated it will be around .94. Did you do a physical reading or just IR
@cheeseface996 жыл бұрын
High bay shop leds seem to work very well and are a cheap alternative I don't know the science tho
@LukeWhitton6 жыл бұрын
Saw this one on Big Clive.com. The size of it is hilarious. Always wondered if they are any good for growing. Thanks for the info :D
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
That's where I saw them first! Clive is the man
@resonantconsciousness92483 жыл бұрын
They are great for growing, i grow in a 3x3 with 6 of these, 3 on a 1m heatsink x2. Wired them in series with a 36v power supply on each heatsink.
@vadimlisovskiy25746 жыл бұрын
What about spectrolight.nl/en/products/xplosion800/
@alienman29396 жыл бұрын
Love you’re videos
@GranulatedStuff6 жыл бұрын
come on dude...as if anyone buying these are gonna use anything but a cheapo 7 quid driver !
@any1alive2 жыл бұрын
Goinjg ahead, please properly heatsink them, even just an aluminim slab, so you cant est the proper wattage.
@glhfsport46825 жыл бұрын
today i had this cheap cob led i found on ebay for a couple bucks, its been sitting around my house for ages and im never planning on using it, so for fun i direct wired it with full AC power from my outlet and the thing exploded LOOOOOL
@tellitlikeitis48016 жыл бұрын
Dude he looks like an older growmau5
@graemebuchan19196 жыл бұрын
I know its a corny joke but the Chinese seem to be designing based on actual cobs, of corn.
@НовиСадСрбија6 жыл бұрын
Meh
@marcjtdc5 жыл бұрын
I'm going tp run 3 of these at 50w each with a 150w power supply mounted on aluminum I got free thats like 8 pounds lol
@ihreMaskeSitztNichtRichtig5 жыл бұрын
How did it work
@Ivillam_Uendosi4 жыл бұрын
1,5 speed. thank me l8er
@RUNDNB856 жыл бұрын
bigclive had one of them.. and 13 amp 😂😂
@MIGROLIGHT6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Good for frying in your camper😆
@Diablo-D36 жыл бұрын
Thats pretty much what Clive said too. For everyone else that wants to watch it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3rWoaGpd9VmpZY
@itmaslanka6 жыл бұрын
Don't like that spectrum!
@atomicrb91164 жыл бұрын
three hundred and turkey 6 ( 0) ( 0)
@cake82916 жыл бұрын
Well I figured out I'm going with top quailty lights but I have several options, heres a few I'm looking at for a 2x4 tent with 3 or 4 plants ..which would you think be the best Timber lights I think it's the 3vl the one with three lights for the 2x4 timbergrowlights.com/model-3vl/ Optic led 2x4 3 optic 1 cobs non dimmable opticledgrowlights.com/collections/optic-1-cob-hang-kits/products/2x4-optic-1-cob-hang-kit Rapid leds 2x4 setup wit 4 lights dimmable www.rapidled.com/chilled-logic-2-x-4-grow-fixture/ And last the California light works solarxtreme 500 growlightcentral.com/products/california-lightworks-solarxtreme-500?Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAkrTjBRAoEiwAXpf9CTlkKWkbxKZ7cPT9xqihlxEFDi8ec7ofykCXuhwXuQxuBtpugJrV8BoC7d8QAvD_BwE Don't know which one to get they all look awesome
@truescotsman41034 жыл бұрын
aluminum. not aluminium.
@Michael-sc7yt4 жыл бұрын
Ebay is trash collection place. Don't you know that???????