MASSIVE MISTAKE!? 😬 Dan Orlovsky defends Falcons drafting QB Michael Penix Jr. | First Take

[@TheMusikalChristian]

"What's Kelce's Girlfriends name?" HAHA, I'm gonna use that now. She looked offended.

[@Mamao419]

Right like GTFOH , what is offensive about that?, she think they bigger than life so you should always remember there names lol

[@elbowgang9715]

Call me weird but I don't know or can't name a single Taylor Swift song. Molly can kick rocks

[@ducekong7878]

O my ..a head coach didn't know who ts was who cares

[@hitdog-j8h]

shoulda signed a gardner minshew salary level qb if you were planning on signing a 24 yr old rookie

[@1310libra]

Exactly this. Poor management of resources. One of the advantages of having a rookie QB is that you only have to pay them a paltry sum of money (as a % of the cap) for the first 3 years of their careers. In the first 3 years of Penix's career they will not be able to take advantage of how little he is earning given that Kirk will have a $25M dead cap hit 3 years from now.

[@jordan12118]

Facts

[@FleetwoodMedia]

Fasho

[@CrashMusic-sd3nd]

Did Gardner Minshew win backing up in Philadelphia

[@jakjones8680]

Thank you!!! It's like the Atlanta GM is making auto GM decisions like in Madden franchise mode lol

[@JoshSmith-rc9ci]

I love when Shannon and Dan go at it 😂

[@UnbiasedPep]

Dan uses his brain. Shannon uses his heart.

[@davidhughes1271]

Lowkey think Dan won this one. His points were much better

[@thetarheel2010j]

Dan lost… his points made ZERO sense… that’s why he couldn’t refute Stafford and Cousins point

[@johnathan250able]

Honest truth they were both right. Just depends on what you’re willing to sacrifice to get what you want

[@UptownAlonzo]

@@johnathan250ableyou understand how debates work

[@brandond2233]

What happens if Penix just out plays Kirk in training camp? They have a 180 million dollar backup?

[@kennethmorsee]

The Head coach has already said there won't even be a competition in camp the team is Cousin's

[@brandond2233]

Kirk won’t take all the reps so what happens if the team looks better with Penix running it?

[@jemazondo9331]

​@brandond2233 the contract is written in a way that allows them to opt out or extend after 2 years. So woret case scenario they pay a backup 50M for 2 years but that could happen if Kirk gets injured again.

[@jameshollister8294]

Maybe my giant gets one

[@JUANsoloATL]

100 million, not 180

[@antoniojames9493]

The Defense was hampered after Grady Jarrett got hurt. He was the glue of the D-line

[@rainkid8807]

They got better at the end of the year

[@bigdeboatl23]

They drafted 3 defensive lineman

[@brodiewifi1031]

better tell em

[@christianhull4943]

Thank you bruh

[@Whatevernothinf]

The issue is not whether Penix Jr. Was or wasn't the right choice....it's if Kirk deserved that huge salary now that they have a decent rookie!!

[@MadeTaylor]

Exactly, Ridder is not a bad qb

[@afterwork5186]

Dan finally called out the Shannon and Stephen A. team-up that happens on him almost every take lol

[@michaelangelo3735]

Every day fr

[@jacoby2047]

FRRR

[@PriCEGotBeats]

Because Dan is the punching bag.

[@7thswordsmenofthemist]

Cause he always has a QB friendly pale take

[@jefeseason4990]

Stephen A is now riding Shannon coat tails

[@leetraviusmckay314]

"it's alright sometimes to admit when you're stumped you having to say" 😂

[@Mugetsu2021]

That’s rich coming from Stephen A

[@MMA_MINDS]

But Dan literally did have something to say. He literally named off so many QBS and has valid reasoning lol.

[@bubbwigan]

@@MMA_MINDSfax idk why stephen A said dat like he always right bro ain never touched uh field or coached or owned uh team💀

[@daveczarnik6017]

That’s the Stephen A special. He knows “getting stumped” very well

[@leetraviusmckay314]

@@daveczarnik6017 late response Russian bot smh

[@MeechG]

Daniel Jones got 40M and were surprised Kirk got more than him?

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

Well when you look at a deal. Kirk Cousins contract is only for about 100 million guaranteed, and realistically for two years. Which means assuming Kirk Cousins stays healthy and wins a minimum of ten games the Falcons would be needing a quarterback as a backup in two years, but their drafting position in the first round would be something like 22 to 26 in the first round draft. At that pick you not going get good 1st round quarterback, and you will overpay for a bad second round quarterback.

[@RedHoodFH]

But the giants didn't draft a QB in the top 10 😂😂😂

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

@@RedHoodFH Yes, but New York Giants are in a different position. They have already sign Daniel Jones to a contract. However, their thinking was that if rumors are true that a lot teams are going take quarterbacks this draft class then the next draft class most NFL team won't be looking for a quarterback making it easier for them to take a good college quarterback even in late 1st round.

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

@@RedHoodFH So that very "contrary thinking" when the league zig, you zag.

[@blizz1004]

Very very very good point lol 🤣

[@kingbchalla]

I don’t understand why ATL’s pick was so confusing… the ONLY confusing thing should be why ATL paid Kirk so much. The Falcons needed BETTER qb play - literally wouldve easily won their division last yr with better qb play - they have that, and they also have a qb they can look to as their future who gets to sit behind a proven vet & learn and develop.. call it the Love initiative.

[@PiyachonYuenyongHYDE]

You wanna know So What? You could have 100 million dollars more to sign a top tier defensive players or any position you need to upgrade while you QB is on the rookie deal and your star players on offense still doesn't cost much.

[@thetarheel2010j]

It’s ok to say the decision didn’t make sense…

[@Jukeboxster]

Signing Cousins didn't make sense. Picking Michael Penix made sense. The first bad decision shouldn't prevent you from picking your next franchise QB if you think he's that guy.

[@leiflynch2162]

@@Jukeboxster That's exactly what I was thinking...

[@pulp3215]

@@Jukeboxstercould have drafted a big time lineman to protect your $140m QB. Could have drafted Rome Odunze who is being compared to Devonte Adams. Instead they took a guy who won’t even play next 3 years. The Falcons had BY FAR the worst draft and it’s not even close.

[@Jukeboxster]

@@pulp3215 Cousins has $100m guaranteed, they can get out of that deal in 2 years and owe him no additional money, by that time Penix should be ready to play. I thing I think we can all agree on is that Cousins is not the long term answer at QB. If a team thinks that they have the opportunity to pick the next franchise QB, you get him (Penix) and figure out the rest later.

[@canage_8622]

Hopefully Penix can stay healthy and not become the new Trey Lance(bust)

[@phillipsouthard8285]

Signing Kirk Cousins and picking Penix is the problem. Doing one or the other is perfectly fine, but doing both is the biggest question mark.

[@cbreezy]

They didn't think they would get Penix. It's like MJH or Caleb Williams falling to the Falcons.

[@dangreene3895]

@@cbreezy I heard one expert say he was the second best QB in the draft , but his stock would drop because he was left handed .

[@cbreezy]

@@dangreene3895 Only for teams with a solidified LT.

[@dangreene3895]

@@cbreezy Yeah I don't see how him being left handed would make that much difference , got to have someone to protect that blind side be it left or right . I can understand if you have drafted to protect a right handed QB , but its not something that can't be overcome. I mean Kenny Stabler was left handed and the Raiders did alright

[@Wiscowaterboy]

So having Desmond Ridder and Taylor Heinicke is a better plan? Answer this.

[@jessewise9004]

If they didn’t pay Kirk all that money I wouldn’t have an issue with it but because they payed Kirk all that money it was dumb

[@Shagrath71]

Either move would have been okay but not both together.

[@danharps7874]

So they shouldn't try to sell tickets? You know there's a business side don't you?

[@edawg9962]

If the owner doesn't give a fvck, why should you?....he's got PLENTY of that home depot money

[@AntoniusCesare]

​@@danharps7874 Sell tickets? 😂 Then they should signed Lamar Jackson when they had the chance but the owner balked because of "injury history" yet pays a 36 QB 180 mil coming of an Achilles injury

[@danharps7874]

@@AntoniusCesare shoulda woulda coulda

[@HighTopJop]

This was REALLY GOOD!!! A decent passionate debate with valid points

[@Bmore611Boy]

Love Unc, but it seems like he started by saying the MPJ pick was wasted because they signed Cousins, it then devolved into it's unlikely that Cousins will be good or great for years to come. That, to me, reinforces why it wasn't horrible to draft a highly rated QB when you have the chance.

[@alexamerling79]

As a Bears fan, I'm just glad Atlanta didn't trade back with a receiver needy team so we could get Odunze :)

[@tdk2343]

I'm surprised they didn't just take him

[@matthewchristopher16]

They're a WR needy team themselves lol they're idiots

[@elpapichulo8260]

That's bc yall don't know the roaster. We have Drake London Kyle Pitts Hollywood Brown n company.

[@IronEagle990]

@@elpapichulo8260Hollywood brown is on the Kansas City Chiefs bro

[@RedHoodFH]

​@Bamx3as a bears fan... have fun with Mooney

[@santiagoulloa1694]

The reality is that ATL took Penix because they are more on him as a prospect than whats available in next year's draft. So they continue to build through FA and the later round picks while making sure they have a guy post Kirk after the following season

[@maaliemaal1373]

The media are Hypocrites!!!! They always say get your QB no matter what….the price or capital doesn’t matter Cousins isn’t their guy he’s the bridge The same media that said the Giants should draft a QB a year after paying $160mil to “their guy” Now all of a sudden it doesn’t make sense for Atlanta?

[@yokoblitt2157]

You cooking here

[@Matty_Ice12]

It doesn’t make sense they should’ve got a cheap vet instead of wasting penix rookie contract on the bench for kirk’s big contract

[@maaliemaal1373]

@@Matty_Ice12 They have 5yrs for Penix, Cousins will only be there for 2 max. They’ll probably trade him after this year anyway

[@Matty_Ice12]

@@maaliemaal1373 if that’s the case then good deal lol

[@quentinmathes2361]

​@@Matty_Ice12that is what we are trying to tell everybody

[@timothypayton7623]

Shannon was making Dan's point the whole segment lol

[@99coachb]

No he wasn’t

[@timothypayton7623]

@99coachb yes he was especially at the end when he said Tom Brady was the outlier and Dan say like 5 guys after and Shannon had to resort to resumé when it's about the age not careers

[@christophercomitini8619]

@@99coachb Yes he was. Dan's point was that Penix was the RIGHT choice.

[@Barlo0twnety]

@@christophercomitini8619u can say that about anyone 😂😂 that’s not a point

[@99coachb]

Shannon was saying if you paying a qb 100m why draft a replacement with your first pick. When you have flaws

[@JonathanTurnerTurner]

I loved Penix predraft, thought he should be QB3 despite the injuries. This was a really smart move. They get to ride the boat this year and see what else needs to be added. Year 2 if Kirk is playing well you could have an even better roster and if Penix takes over year 3/4 at that point they’ve established a winning culture and added pieces for him.

[@johnnyvansguard869]

If thats how you see it then you must be a person that loves to flush money down the toilet because thats what the falcons are doing. Like Unc said, 100mill is a lot of money for a bridge qb. Coulve gotten a savy vet to actually show Penix the ropes instead of having someone who is competing against him

[@ErikDayne]

If Penix takes over year 3/4 they’re still gonna have a ton of dead cap left over from Cousins contract. By the way they structured his contract they don’t even get that much cap relief if they trade him.

[@jakenewbury7528]

So penix will become the starter when hes 27-28?

[@jakenewbury7528]

Hed better be an all pro for this to pay off

[@quentinmathes2361]

​@@johnnyvansguard869it's not your money so what

[@Kenji.Artistry_]

When Dan O brought up cousins’ age SA and Shannon seem to change their thought process lol 😂 7:15

[@davidhughes1271]

I think Dan won this argument

[@copolla67]

😅😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@whatvrrdude]

i didn’t even agree with him when he’d made previous comments on it but this segment made me see his point

[@Nupe-rd7dz]

The impact players were all on offense not defense Atlanta made the right call

[@ErikDayne]

@@Nupe-rd7dzno defenders had been drafted at that point so you’re saying you don’t think there was a single impact defender in this entire draft? Nobody that would have upgraded the defense, especially compared to a QB that will be sitting on the bench?

[@Tankbaybe]

@@ErikDayneI thought the same thing but they always say take the best on the board. If the impact defensive players can be there later then I guess take the risk but drafting Penix was stupid 😂

[@shadow33103]

Falcons secured their QB position. Smart move on their part.

[@c.l.s5445]

You are either coping, or just too ignorant to understand asset management. 😂

[@jonathanjacobs1870]

This was awful. You wasting a 24 year old quarterbacks prime years

[@kingbchalla]

@@jonathanjacobs1870Peyton Manning ?

[@jonathanjacobs1870]

@@kingbchalla probably more like mac jones. The falcons front office is a clown show.

[@idgaf3231]

@@jonathanjacobs1870 2 years is nothing, also it's already been proven Penix needs more development with his footwork and throwing to the middle of the field.

[@htvlogs80]

This guy Dan has crazy takes. Either he’s crazy or executives purposely telling him to be the bad guy just to have a debate topic.

[@jackjackson404]

We talking about Kurt Cousin’s injury when we drafted a kid that messed up both of his ACL’s

[@FaceFamous]

2 years ago. 🤦‍♂️

[@kyletucker3811]

Actually it was the same ACL

[@kyletucker3811]

​@@FaceFamousAnd he was banged up his first year at Washington and had an alleged flu crater his play for 3-4 weeks this year. Those 2 years he's supposedly been healthy, he actually hasn't been that healthy.

[@MadSUPANOVA]

​@@kyletucker3811yup... and that's bad

[@willhunter7503]

luckily he’s a pocket passer👌🏽

[@thedemon2259]

Thats why context is key..shannon just left out the fact tht the falcons did address the edge rusher position but since it wasnt in first round its a problem smh

[@ParkerWoolley]

Right, a second round pick is just as likely to hit as a top 10 pick… 🙄

[@djdamon3603]

I’m actually with Dan on this one

[@ErikDayne]

I don’t see it I really don’t. Signing Kirk Cousins is a win now move, drafting Penix is a rebuilding move. They’re contradictory strategies. If you wanna win now sign the QB and draft some defense. If you’re rebuilding then draft a QB and save your cap space. Dan said the Falcons had the 11th best defense as if that’s really good and can’t possibly be improved on. Imagine if you draft an impact defender and that becomes a top 10 defense, and you’ve got Cousins to spread the ball out to the weapons you already drafted. That would be a logical strategy.

[@laserglider]

@Bamx3no it wasn’t

[@laserglider]

Tell me how passing on a top 10 talent to complete the team to draft a QB who won’t see the field for two years is a smart idea

[@SpaceAlley]

​@erikdayne5429 we signed a Qb and drafted defense

[@knapps6288]

​@@ErikDayneya a guy coming off an achilles. Even drafting that defensive guy wasn't getting them anywhere. It's a good pick.. sit down bro

[@rumpdogg8622]

Kirk cousins was surprised too, that the Atlanta Falcons did not get a defense player or a wide receiver

[@JaymelHall]

Then you missed the draft

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

Well there was over 60 quarterbacks that had to play last season in the NFL. It was so bad even old man Flacco return to the starting line up. This where "Money Ball" comes in, the current system was setup for a 12 game season not a 17 game season. I think there is a realization by GM's around the league that you need to have two starting quarterback just in case.

[@JaymelHall]

@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 please watch golf and tennis only. With this logic you’d be a godsend to any bookie and or casino, place your bets!

[@chrisringer5778]

Lmao Receiver ??? Defensive player when we was 11th last year and doubled our sacks with maybe the worst offense in the NFL last year. In reality the falcons got there need in the first round and there need going defense for the next 3 rounds

[@MrFatboy1987]

He surprised them when he threw them under the bus at he's press conference

[@yokoblitt2157]

This pick was surprising but it’s a good pick they went from having no QB’s and now they have 2 it’s a win in my book

[@Mr_Iggy]

Shannon gets so emotional when people don’t agree with him.

[@jamoreioaustin4312]

Facts😂😂😂😂

[@Srw84488]

It’s a debate show….he’s debating….

[@quentinmathes2361]

And he's wearing pink get out of here Shannon

[@PaulWilliams-rw8ci]

Tf he supposed to do? They all get emotional smh

[@Mr_Iggy]

@@PaulWilliams-rw8ci I beg to differ. Men shouldn’t be emotional. However, in actually watching this video all the way through, Shannon wasn’t that bad and I was wrong regarding this segment.

[@thelightknight7245]

I agree with Dan here. It certainly doesn't hurt to draft Penix here. Falcons defense was solid, you can find top talent in later rounds

[@osirissmith5254]

Solid!!!? Maaaan I’ve fell short a few times in fantasy with them. They dropped the ball a lot lol. They definitely should have had a defensive HEAVY draft. Buuuut long term… you’re solid! For good. Yknow?

[@kevinmckay2483]

Penix rookie deal will be atleast half way done and he’ll be at least 26 by the time he starts meaning falcons will only get about 10-12 years MAX of good play from him if their extremely lucky… no telling if he’s actaully the real deal and you had players like Rome, Brock bowers, turner, etc left in the Board all while already having a top 12 Qb that your paying at minimum 100 million to… Lmao falcons f’d up plain and simple

[@thelightknight7245]

@osirissmith5254 defense wasn't the problem. Your talking about your own personal fantasy team. That has nothing to do with them losing on the field. They had a good enough defense to win on the field. But no qb. Now were they fantasy good is a different topic bro. 😅

[@christophercomitini8619]

My head hurts after watching this. They ALL agreed Penix WAS THE RIGHT choice but all still arguing?!? They HAD TO PAY COUSINS at THAT TIME because they had NO QB, Falcons were not going into this season with Desmond Ridder are you kidding me?!?

[@rayzah2005]

Exactly. Why is this so hard to understand? Is it because they need something to talk about?

[@ErikDayne]

So do one or the other. Sign a free agent QB or draft one. Both are viable options. Doing both is redundant and that’s why most people agree this was a bad pick.

[@MasterSlime03]

No way Penix convinced them to draft him only 6 weeks after paying Kirk so if they was just gone draft him why not use that 100 mill to build your team better? It’s like buying a demon then buying a scat pack the next day

[@ErikDayne]

@@MasterSlime03they didn’t even bring Penix in for a team visit so if he convinced them to draft him, it was based on his game tape which they had available before they signed Cousins

[@PiyachonYuenyongHYDE]

They should've just do one. sign a free agent or draft and develop a new guy. pick one, you wanna win now or long term? the Falcons chose not to do both. They're not gonna win cos they good enough. wait for the future? I'm nit sure they have a right pieces to develop Penix.

[@paletososracing5768]

The fact of the matter they loved penix so much they took him at 8 End of story

[@LucZac11]

Dan is just arguing to argue.

[@geraldos9094]

Dan has a point. The Falcons should win their division, they won’t have a chance at picking that high in the next few years. Kirk really only have a 2 year deal, this is the ONLY year they will have an opportunity to pick a QB this high in the draft. Yes they need defense but no 1 player would have made them better on defense.

[@ErikDayne]

@@geraldos9094it’s not just QBs that go high in the draft. If they’re not picking high they also won’t get another chance to draft a blue chip prospect at OT or edge rusher.

[@laserglider]

He has to be because I take him serious if he actually believes this take

[@geraldos9094]

@@ErikDayne They’re a dime a dozen. How many chances do you get an opportunity to get a good QB in the first round? You can find a good OT or edge rusher in the 3rd round. Besides Brady, it’s rare you find a good QB past 1st round.

[@guighee7310]

Dan def has a point tho

[@osirissmith5254]

Jordan Love & Green Bay is a great example of knowing what you have is almost done and you’re ready for the future Instead of most orgs are not ready or will never recover 5+ years down the line.

[@jaegerjackz]

Jordan Love is one year younger than Penix... It's not like Penix was some undercooked 21 year old that needed 2 years of development time underneath one of the best QB's of all time. You're paying Kirk Cousins at least 100million to be a bridge QB, instead of spending that salary elsewere and hoping that Penix actually is your guy and contending while he's on his rookie contract or competing with Kirk with better pieces. Now you gotta wait at least 2 years before you can compete for the SB if the pieces around Kirk aren't enough, then you only have 3 years of having a cheap franchise QB (if Penix works out). It just makes no sense.

[@solomonking4373]

Great move for the Atlanta Falcons.

[@mh-ew3sn]

The real mistake is paying Kirk so much 😂

[@germangutierrez4959]

If the first round was all QBs drafted Dan would make an excuse how that’s a good pick

[@carybird24]

If they were going to draft Penix they shouldn't have paid Cousins. Idk how two out of three people on the panel don't get this

[@hectoreuceda5775]

You can spin it anyway you want. It's still a terrible move.

[@yousjiveturkey]

She was so salty that dude didn't know the name of Kelces girlfriend. 😂

[@azrael4533]

Poor asset management is still poor asset management.

[@c.l.s5445]

Thank you. That’s the crux of the issue. People arguing about the player, the talent isn’t the question. It’s having a luxury player that won’t see the field, and the advantage of his cheap contract goes down the toilet when you only use him for a year two.

[@Hank_Amarillo]

aurthur blank is a dum dum

[@idgaf3231]

@@c.l.s5445 He will see the field in 2 years, which isn't a lot of time for someone who still needs help developing footwork and throwing to the middle of the field...

[@MadeTaylor]

Y'all saying this like there is only one way to develop

[@azrael4533]

@@MadeTaylor we are not talking about development. You can develop how many quarterbacks you want. It is how you deploy your assets to better your team and why you make the moves you do. If you were never truly sold on Cousins.. why sign him to a lot of guarantee money? You could have done what the Vikings are doing.

[@1RobertSmith]

As a Falcon I dont know what Im gonna do with Pitts. A functional Cousins lets me measure who I need to keep or move on from while he is winning the NFC south

[@mauricioarellano576]

Nobody should defend falcons in this horrible pick.

[@quentinmathes2361]

We will see I'm going to screen shot this you better hope

[@FightrForLife]

A top notch pass rusher or wide receiver would have given them a better chance of not getting dog-walked by the Saints. Penix doesn't do that, and IF he manages to win the starting job, Kirk's salary will offset any upside of having a rookie QB.

[@lukespilde2917]

Having a pass rusher would of definetly helped them, yes

[@troystrong8041]

They got one in Round 2🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MrTerrell966]

@@troystrong8041 And rd 3

[@idgaf3231]

@@MrTerrell966 And Round 4 😭😂

[@hoeelander]

Poor resource management no matter how you slice it. We wont even feel the benefits of having Penix on a rookie deal because of this dumb contract we gave Kirk Cousins….

[@MumRah]

Arthur Blank should hire Terry Fontano's replacement so they're ready to win now later 😂

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

No look at Kirk Cousins contract, his guaranteed money is only for two years. Which means means you only have a two year contract. This forces the owner and GM to start looking for a college quarterback in two years. But assuming that Kirk Cousins stay healthy and wins 10 games each season in a weak AFC South division the Atlanta Falcons would be drafting in the 22 to 26 position of the first around draft. That position will not get you a top 1st round draft pick at quarterback coming out of college. You would have to overdraft a bad 2nd round draft pick in the late 1st round, and hope he can be a starter for you in Atlanta.

[@mandarinandthetenrings2201]

Just remember 2nd round quarterback have noticeable problems. What problems you ask? To short, throws funny, have bad arm strength, to slow can't scramble, doesn't have good timing, etc. So this is a way to make sure that you have a solid back up. Do I agree with the decision personally "no", but we see how this decision play's out.

[@TheBlaxstones]

😂😂😂

[@titoB2C]

The more things change the more they stay the same - The Falcons know how to pick talented players (Pitts, Robinson and London) but they know how to use them on the field. The same will happen with Penix; he will hardly play the next 2-3 seasons.

[@MasterSlime03]

You can’t justify paying Kirk 100 mill to be a bridge QB bc that’s essentially what he became when you drafted Penix

[@MrTerrell966]

So we supposed to count on Kirk playing well into his 40's with no backup plan?

[@MasterSlime03]

@@MrTerrell966 no but if you was that concerned why guarantee him 100 mill with a possibility at another 80

[@idgaf3231]

@@MasterSlime03 Because he’s a good QB? It’s essentially a 2 year deal with 50m a year. When you look at it like that, and compare to what the other top QBs make, Falcons actually made a good move.

[@jaegerjackz]

@@idgaf3231 You're paying Kirk Cousins at least 100million to be a bridge QB, instead of spending that salary elsewere and hoping that Penix actually is your guy and contending while he's on his rookie contract or competing with Kirk with better pieces. Now you gotta wait at least 2 years before you can compete for the SB if the pieces around Kirk aren't enough, then you only have 3 years of having a cheap franchise QB (if Penix works out). It just makes no sense. It's a bad move if you want to win now, or help contend with your QB of the future.

[@KLtheCustard]

Dan with all due respect that was a stupid argument. Even if penix is shown to be way better than Kirk this year, u still 100mil in dept now as a team. They gonna be stuck at the same spot for another year because thamey wont be able to sign anyone of value

[@jacobmcklowski4428]

Shannon was agreeing with Dan the whole time and he had no idea. This was a genius pick by the Falcons that nobody saw coming.

[@trevorsanso32]

you higher than spongebob

[@ErikDayne]

Nobody saw it coming because it was a bonehead pick

[@rcng086]

Right, we still gotta think about the future. With cousins healthy we won't be picking in top 10 without moving up so we should get a QB now

[@gasoline3597]

but that's not Shannon think the pick was a bad one, I think Shannon is questioning why pay Kirk Cousins the money you paid him if you were in the market for a qb anyway? Now maybe they weren't until they saw Penix still available which fine, but I think Shannon just doesn't think Kirk Cousins is worth the amount of money if he's only going to be there for 2 years, you could've paid any other qb for less to do the same thing.

[@That85Scorpio]

​@@rcng086knowing you had the 8th pick overall why did you sign cousins anyway if you knew you wanted a young quarterback???🤔 No projections really had PENIX going in the top 10 and some even had a second round grade on him

[@dwightwhite9184]

Picking Penix is fine in any other circumstance, but it brings the question to y pay $110m for a end of career, recovering from injury place holder. The Falcons knew every doubt there is about Kurt Cousins way b4 signing him, they knew that they had the #8 pick way b4 signing him. SO it just can’t be justified. They overpaid him!

[@JustAGuyOutHere]

Dan is actually spitting facts here

[@ALI4138]

Falcons already know two things, Cousins will only be there for 2 years and they will lose picks for tampering. They had to pull the trigger on Pennix. It will work out fine.

[@samsmith8415]

Orlasky is the guy who ran out of the endzone for the dumbest safety in nfl history correct?

[@smoothkk1]

I think Atlanta was shocked he was still available. I would have taken him also.. Great Pick Atlanta

[@CJM23]

Should have picked JJ McCarthy if they wanted a project, at least hes 21 with no injury history.

[@JustAGuyOutHere]

No offense to McCarthy but he doesn’t throw the ball like Penix, he fits the mold of that McVay tree offense very well. McCarthy is a different style of prospect.

[@malcolmfountain6353]

🛑STOP

[@edawg9962]

McCarthy can't throw like Stafford.....coach Morris and the offensive coordinator just came from the rams....penix is the closest thing to Stafford in throwing the ball....McCarthy ain't even close to those 2 gunslingers

[@thedemon2259]

Mccarthy will be a bust all this hype for a guy tht ain't show nothing on tape. Michigan was a running football team with good defense

[@Mannie303]

​@thedemon2259 Great defence 🫡

[@allgopodcast]

“He’s a really good player. Penix might outplay him tho. Then everything is fine”. That $45M could have gone to MORE players to help the team. OR draft at 8 a guy who can help you right away

[@jakoblarson4597]

I mean Denver gave Wilson over 200 mil and they got rid of him after 2 years

[@dorien62896]

I understand the logic the problem is that the falcons are a mid team an that strategy only tends to work with perennial playoff teams

[@antivenom6059]

Let him sit and learn for 2-3 years and he will be better prepared to step in and be successful

[@meancypha]

Dan literally just spoke out both sides of his mouth lol they anit have a chance by they might wit cousins? Lol

[@christophercomitini8619]

Shannon was the one speaking out of both sides of his mouth,

[@GB81369]

Making the playoffs means money for the ownership

[@ClaxtonBay123]

We're talking FOOTBALL on the field. ​@@GB81369

[@xsah2]

@@GB81369losing 180 million is much worse for the ownership then making the playoffs for a year.

[@andrewgoodman8161]

Solid debate here, good stuff

[@kacornish1]

Amazing how many people believe paying $100 million guaranteed to a bridge QB while keeping a 24 year old rookie on the bench for 2+ years is a good idea, lol…

[@jemazondo9331]

The fact that he is 24 is overblown. Hes a rookie. You dont have to put him in there just because he is 24. As if theres a deadline. In 2 years ATL was gonna be shopping for a Qb anyways.

[@MakeAnimeGreatAgain]

You must not how how difficult it is to find a quarterback that can take you over the hump. The QB position will always be the most valuable position in the sport

[@jameshollister8294]

I don't think Kirk will play more then two years .one year and a trade to jets,rams

[@ErikDayne]

I think some people wanna argue just to argue because this pick makes no sense any way you slice it. They signed Cousins for 4 years. If he plays well Penix sits and this was a wasted pick. If Cousins doesn’t play well then signing him was a bad move. I don’t see any way this works out well, especially because they’re gonna need all the help they can get to get past the 49ers/Lions/Cowboys etc. Penix can’t help them do that while he’s sitting on the bench.

[@DeportillegalAliens]

​@@ErikDaynedon't forget rams and others lol...atl made a huge mistake by not getting a stud to start right away

[@musliboy2430]

Bro wtf was shannon even arguing about? Didnt they both agree that paying a 36 year old QB a $100million coming off an Achilles was risky? And it didn’t even have anything to do with Michael penix anymore

[@thomashensle2888]

Look at Penix Jr. college career, he is injury prone as well.

[@quentinmathes2361]

​@@thomashensle28882 yrs ago stop it

[@jalinfaison]

Shannon literally flipped his stance because Dan said only facts

[@ErikDayne]

Facts such as how the Packers didn’t actually win a Super Bowl after they drafted Jordan Love, and how the Falcons had the 11th best defense as if that can’t possibly improve? Dan also said drafting defense in rounds 2-4 was a good move but drafting defense in round 1 wouldn’t have been a good move?

[@quentinmathes2361]

​I dont know why people like to come on the Internet just to hate i don't get it it's not your team so who cares

[@Jamessumner0814]

Stephan A looks so fed up when Dan spits facts 😂😂

[@danielhogue6484]

People saying it's smart to spend 100m fully garaunteed to make it look like the Falcon's didn't need a QB and stop other teams from potentially making trades is the dumbest argument ever. Just goes to show people will say anything to try and justify this horrible Falcons management.

[@DaNxYsmells007]

People saying? Nah that's what you saying and you crying about it 😂 sounds like you got trolled bud

[@greencat1849]

With Kirk they have a team rn that is favorite to win the division (let me remind you they went 7-10 last year when their QBs had more turnovers than the offense scored TDs)...and they went and got their favorite QB of the draft to develop behind Kirk and be ready to compete when his number is called. Plus, 72% of the teams last year were forced to play their backup QB bc of an injury or poor play...and with Kirk coming off a complete achilles tear, it's smart to have a quality backup...why did they give Kirk that money? Cause they do believe he can carry this team to the playoffs...why did they draft Penix? Bc they are likely not going to have another 1st round pick for the next 2-3 years bc of the tampering, rn is their best chance to get a QB.

[@everythingbuzzcityEBC]

It’s only a 2 year deal

[@charlesgay5956]

Who cares what y'all think, are you winers paying anything, shh shh, stop crying what the baby gonna do.

[@NolyfeDnote]

shannon didnt understand a thing dan said he talking bout penix shannon talking bout kirk and stephen just talking

[@gwennas100]

Just here for Shannon

[@sstier48]

A big thing people are just glossing over is the fact that they reached for him, most had him mocked late 1st, early 2nd

[@eulalawrence841]

Near the end Shannon was arguing just to argue just because Dan didn't agree with his Kirk Cousins take, he wasn't even talking about the topic at hand which was about the Falcons organization. I've always been told- The guy who changed the subject is always the guy who ends up losing the debate. Shannon needs to learn to keeps his personal feelings for these players aside. If you go watch his podcast all he has been doing is trashing Kirk Cousins, why is he bringing that here?

[@xharliemak9582]

“You can find good players anywhere , but u dont normally have to pay 100 million for em tho.”😅

[@mohamedismail8362]

The same ppl that criticized Chiefs for drafting Mahomes are criticizing Falcons

[@TennakeyCardnial]

Mahomes wasn’t 26 wit bad ACLs n shoulders

[@idgaf3231]

@@TennakeyCardnial “bad ACLs” but he puts up his best two seasons ever after injury. Make it make sense.

[@veteranpokerpro]

Look up all his injuries and he’s 24

[@TennakeyCardnial]

@@idgaf3231 everybody puts up great stats that gets drafted I guess RGIII was horrible in college huh

[@TennakeyCardnial]

@@veteranpokerpro your ACL don't get better with age it gets worse. I tore mine twice as well same one actually and he's not gonna have the same team he had at Washington in ATL

[@raw-b6658]

I think the falcons just played 4D chess and it will show in the next 3 years when we’re dominating on both sides of the ball

[@_franchised_]

They think they got Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers… nobody will ever be that lucky again

[@Mufasalp5150]

Green Bay’s looking pretty lucky with Aaron Rodger’s & Jordan Love so. Not just that but your comment is dumb cause that and this are two very different situations.

[@_franchised_]

@@Mufasalp5150 Yea Jordan Love is a hall of famer from one season,,. Ok dummy and it’s a rookie sitting behind a vet… same fkn thing but try again Mufasa

[@_franchised_]

@@Mufasalp5150 They got Brett Favre in a trade and Aaron was Drafted there… how tf is it different? Jordan Love had one good season and you’re anointing him? Yea stfu Mufasa and watch the game not just espn

[@jd_alsobrook]

Shannon wasn’t listening. Dan was not talking about Cousins when he brought up age. He was talking about Penix playing longer because everyone is worried about him starting late.

[@FlyTyBlizzy]

I think that was a good pick-up

[@bankofwerner4206]

Why?

[@futurekillerful]

I agree; the issue is how much they paid for Kirk

[@billeh60]

Not at all

[@distortedsoul27]

A very good pick up... it just defeats the purpose of signing Cousins in the process.

[@noctxrnal_cnvs]

I agree, I don't think they were sure Penix Jr. was going to fall to them. The amount of money they paid for Cousins is the only downfall

[@LILravenCrouse]

That was actually not a mistake, if anyones righteous mind belives in a seasoned qb coming off an acl tear as an upgrade theyre lying to themselves....

[@laxuspoldish6165]

What about signing a 36 year old QB coming off an achilles injury for $180 million with $100 million guaranteed? Was that a mistake?

[@jalinfaison]

That’s what I’m saying.. they are ignoring the fact that Kirk is 36 coming off an Achilles injury..

[@tdk2343]

If that injury is that big of a concern then don't sign him

[@Shagrath71]

Have you seen Penix's injury history?

[@Mufasalp5150]

No ones cares that they signed Kirk. It’s the money they signed him for…they owe him $180 mil, $100 mil guaranteed. AND they’re paying Penix’s top 10 pick, rookie contract. Poor resource management. They signed Kirk not but a month or so ago, they could’ve signed another free agent for much less cause it’s not like they just stumbled upon Penix who was projected to go later.

[@geraldthompson7749]

Thank You Dan For Your Words & All The Other Haters Get Over It

[@rsp3ct]

Shannon just countered his own argument.

[@ErikDayne]

So did Dan, multiple times. I think my favorite was when he brought up Jordan Love as if that proves he was right, when in fact the Packers didn’t win a Super Bowl after that, which means it was a failure if your goal is to win a Super Bowl. He also said QBs play longer which means Penix could be sitting longer, and he said drafting defense in rounds 2-4 was a good move but drafting defense in round 1 wouldn’t have been? This pick makes no sense which is why no one can make sense of it.

[@Morkins324]

Taking Penix is not the problem. Signing Cousins AND taking Penix is the problem. This plays out in two possible scenarios. 1) Falcons make it to the playoffs in the next 2 seasons. Do you cut Cousins if he took you to the playoffs for two seasons or do you play out the contract for the remaining two years? If you keep Cousins as the starter, then the ENTIRE rookie contract for Penix has been wasted. 2) Falcons miss the playoffs in either of the next 2 seasons. This is the scenario where taking Penix starts to look reasonable, but it doesn't make the Cousins contract look good. If this is the expectation, then why sign Cousins at all? If you think that you are going to miss the playoffs in the next two seasons, why not just draft Penix and start him? Don't sign Cousins if you think that missing the playoffs is a possibility. In terms of evaluating Terry Fontenot as the Falcons GM, either the Penix pick was bad because Penix isn't even going to start until Year 4 or Year 5, or the Cousins contract was a disaster. No matter how things play out, Terry Fontenot looks like a bad GM. The reality is that Penix isn't some fresh, untested prospect. He has 6 YEARS of college football behind him (several injury shortened seasoned, but still). He isn't some project QB where you are drafting him for arm talent, but know that he needs some time to improve his mechanics and fundamentals. He is the player that he is going to be, and sitting him behind Cousins to "learn" isn't going to be the difference between him succeeding and failing in the NFL. If you draft Penix, then the expectation is that he can slot in as a starter tomorrow. He doesn't have the same arm talent or upside as Caleb Williams, but he has a lot of reps and you know what you are getting with him. It isn't like Jordan Love where you are taking a late 1st round flyer on a rough prospect that needs time to develop. It is a Top 10 pick on a guy that already has experience and is about as pro-ready as he can be. There is no universe where it makes sense to sign Cousins AND draft Penix. Picking Penix is fine. Signing Cousins if fine. DOING BOTH MERE WEEKS APART FROM EACH OTHER IS MADNESS. One of the biggest benefits of drafting a QB in the first round is that you effectively get 5 years for cheaper than market rate for a QB. You can spend more to keep talent around the rookie in that scenario. Having a rookie QB sit on the bench for their entire rookie contract is a waste of that benefit. If Cousins is successful and the Falcons are a playoff team, then you are going to be sitting Penix until year 4 or 5. By the time he actually starts playing, he will be up for contract renewal and will suddenly become expensive. Plus, he will be 27-28 years old, which means that you get a single active contract out of him before you need to start thinking about getting a QB again because he would likely be 34-35 at the end of whatever second contract he gets.

[@ErikDayne]

Anyone who says this was a good pick should never be allowed to talk about football again

[@jovega735]

Only your opinion

[@ErikDayne]

@@jovega735wrong. It’s a fact you can only play one QB at a time. Therefore it’s a fact that this pick doesn’t help them.

[@riseofalucard6556]

@@ErikDayne Wrong, It's a fact that no player at 8 puts them over the edge, they don't get to the Superbowl this year no matter who they could have picked. It's also a fact that Pitts, London and Bijan are all 22 years old and have not had a good QB to take them to the next level. Another fact, Kirk will do that for them just in time for Penix to take over in 2 years. The final fact is that this move is for the FUTURE not this upcoming season, you and 70% of this comment section seem to think that this next year is the final NFL season and the Falcons ruined their last chance to win. I'm also not a Falcons fan, could care less what they do as a franchise, just find it amusing how confidently asinine people can be with their opinions when it comes to something they don't understand.

[@liquidemotionzz3232]

Luxury Insurance...Penix Jr

[@troystrong8041]

@@riseofalucard6556true…true…most people are regurgitating what the talking heads on tv are saying….think on your own and conclude whether it was a good pick or not…and whether we paid Cousins too much…

[@daviddidder3781]

Signing Cousins was the massive mistake. Drafting Penix was the first step towards correcting such a MASSIVE mistake!!

[@usuhbi]

Everyone is gonna be eating their words when Michael penix starts balling out w the falcons in 2 yrs

[@sirbillthegreat8871]

They should of not sign Kirk then. It a waste super bowl window

[@kennethmorsee]

@@sirbillthegreat8871 what super bowl window??? who thinks the Falcons can compete for the superbowl?

[@Drew-DTM]

I feel the same way. Cousins gets hurt again as usual. The Falcons don't win a playoff game then Penix takes over and everyone of the dumb talking heads are then going to say how great the pick was and they knew Penix was a going to be good.

[@kareempusey5032]

No1 is saying he will be a bust, the issue is why pay a FA QB 60+ mil a yr if your gonna draft an older rookie QB that many think is NFL ready right now.....that's the point

[@oblivion85]

lol 2 years from now. 🤣

[@MichaelRucker-ns5po]

In defense of Kirk, Stafford never even won his own division until he got to LA.

[@NosyNorseman]

I hope Raheem is a better coach than public speaker 😊

[@SeanNYC914]

😂😂😂😂

[@vince3804]

D-O is great man - what a solid attitude constantly

[@Mflo-87]

The assumption here by Dan is that all rounds are created EQUAL no they are NOT!

[@MrTerrell966]

NO defensive player at #8 was putting the Falcons over the top. No Defesnive player was taken until pick 16.. lol

[@xsah2]

@@MrTerrell966Kirk cousins is also not putting the falcons over the top so what are you arguing lmao. At least take a chance on the future taking penix at 8 and keeping that money to build around his rookie contract. Now they have 2 qbs for 0 reason.

[@ebowden1168]

@@MrTerrell966Byron Murphy would’ve been a 10-15 year franchise dt for them, Quinyon Mitchell was a great corner prospect, had your pick of three insane edge prospects who will all have good careers in the league, and they could’ve taken Rome Odunze if you want to bolster the receiving room since it’s only drake London who’s pretty overrated. Absolutely horrific pick by the falcons

[@iamOTHER44]

It might have worked with Love, but they wasted the last couple years with Rodgers because you didn’t go all in with him. Maybe getting Rodgers weapons would’ve taken that team over the top. Regardless it definitely changed Rodgers mindset about the team, which is the same thing the Falcons are risking without him even playing a single snap yet

[@papachao6582]

Why am I not surprised Dan would try to defend this lol

[@quentinmathes2361]

Y'all are small minded when it comes to football i would rather have a quarterback ready to play in 2 years then a edge rusher with no quarterback because that's what would of happened

[@papachao6582]

@@quentinmathes2361 lol so you give a massive contract to Kirk and then draft another qb who also has an injury history rather than trading down or even waiting a year to take a qb if you really wanted to since it was going to be a development project anyway. Got it.

[@justinaskar6530]

This is one of my favorite segments to rewatch idk why lol 😂

[@trayday380]

"What if cousin gets hurt penix jr would be a reliable backup"!!!

[@MumRah]

Both of them are in mortal danger behind this OL

[@ItsKillaBouie]

Somehow they forget injuiries happen, if Kirk get hurt, that pass rush ain’t finna do nun

[@MumRah]

@@ItsKillaBouie it doesn't do anything now. Dead last over the last 3 years. Literally the worst.

[@ItsKillaBouie]

@@MumRah a lot of games last year, the falcons could’ve won if they had a better qb, only casuals say this wasn’t a good pick, i actually watch the games cause im a actual fan

[@ItsKillaBouie]

Plus we got a DL n Edge in other rounds, people really think the first round is the best of the best, yk how many gems been found in our rounds, Puka Nacua for example

[@ddawkins24]

I’m glad one of they got some sense

[@als7132]

Why did Atlanta pursue Kirk Cousins? The selection is perplexing. The team needs defensive help. Time will show if the selection was a good business decision.

[@DeportillegalAliens]

Yeah, the way to overcome teans with a better offense is to have great defense...I'm think falcons won't be top 10 offense so they should of drafted all studs on defense

[@Marquiis95]

Dan O explained it the best thank you !!!

[@jblaze600]

It turned out well for Green Bay. They went from a hall of fame QB to a really good QB with no overlap. I think it’s a dub for the Falcons. Adding Cousins gives them a good chance to win the division next season.

[@benaiah93]

This video is baffling. Everything about this Penix thing is baffling

[@timquint_phe]

Exactly Stephen A. and Dan. Shannon just don't want to believe in it.