Massive Preservation Nerfs - Upcoming Healer Tuning for Oct 8th

[@Teabone34]

Blizz: how do we fix healer imbalance? Hmm how about spinning a wheel with random mechanics and changes in it ?

[@SuacoRV]

Resto druid feels so weird. All your hots are meaningless but you still need them to buff your regrowth. You spend a lot of time maintaining those worthless hots just for its mastery effect to make regrowth more powerful.

[@chopstickx]

I love druid fantasy, but having to maintain all these HoTs on everyone is so stupid.

[@JaydeeDJ]

feel the same way. I feel like there should be more interesting hot mechanics. Rshaman has riptide + 2 talents that interact with it for more effect. Monk has renewing mists which jump around, apply the talent buff, interacts with Vivify. Meanwhile rdruid is ramping for 10 GCDs with hots only to do less healing than reactive healers like rshaman/hpriest. I wanna see more cleaving of hots (like Archdruid talent) and more interaction between your hots other than mastery. It has to feel good to apply and spread hots on itself, not just as a mechanism to do semi-good healing with Regrowth. The coolest hot mechanic was Adaptive Swarm imo, and they got rid of that for fun but kinda dead talents in serious difficulty. Other than that you have 1 or 2 CDs and they feel kinda bad in M+ compared to Monk/rShaman CDs.

[@iamme625]

I so wish they'd move the healing profile into the hots instead of regrowth. It's way more fun when the HoT healer is healing through HoTs.

[@yiyueji]

@@JaydeeDJALL dots need to grant stacking damage reduction on all targets. It will reward the super active healer for applying and maintaining hundreds of dots across the board. Right now there's no reward and everyone just plays Shaman instead. Players should be rewarded for playing the game proactively. It's stupid we Resto Druids put in so much effort and doesn't even heal half as much as reactive healers with robot gameplay.

[@johndoee4964]

Huh? LOL. Are you talking about M+? RDruids playstyle has remained the same forever, you spam rejuv on everyone and soul of the forest wild growth + flourish on aoe mechanics. They just gutted it by removing photosynthesis and trying to make it more of a swiftmend spot healer. The entire class tree is a mess and RDruid will never be good.

[@sampearson4585]

idk why i even decided to main a holy pally this season when they are probably just going to get nerfed 8 weeks in a row again

[@SuacoRV]

Still paying for being an S tier healer during season 2 of last expansion.

[@xSintex]

Because they made a really fun spec, and now are trying their hardest to unmake it.

[@Rocman76]

I switched to RET cause it was clear the last two seasons of DF that the datapoints they use to tune healers is wrong, or someone in the Dev team hates Hpal

[@lunitamaria89]

@@sampearson4585 Its so sad right?! i was so happy with the way it was playing at the start, it felt like an actual healer again. Why do they hate hpals so much 😭😭😭

[@kylebb96]

Yep, didn't even play it as a alt after they gutted it in DF season 3. Shit was so bad and disappointing.

[@LoganH0076]

Really hate the hpally changes. They felt like they were in a really good spot. Gameplay is fun and the abilities feel impactful without being overpowered. If anything we need a bit of a buff in M+. Then Blizz nerfs us despite us being middle of the pack at best

[@Raajur]

for real, its ridiculous.

[@Draelon01]

I dont even get what there is to hate. We experienced a 5% nerf some buffs and bug fixes to lightsmith.

[@maxmilian3229]

Hpal hasn't been in a good spot since their rework in S2 of DF. They burned them into the ground and haven't made it good again. It was pretty decent a couple of weeks into the beta, but Blizz decided they were gonna nerf their hero talents, damage output, and healing abilities.

[@LoganH0076]

@@Draelon01 they buffed the tree that no one plays, and then nerfed our healing by 5% despite us already being middle of the pack. Clarification: Lightsmith gets played in high end keys, but most people don’t play it. So maybe the nerfs will make it viable, but idk. We still have a 5% nerf though

[@crazymigdet247]

Holy paladin definitely doesn't feel like it's super excels in dungeons right now these Nerf are going to hurt

[@TheJukeboxzero]

Yeah I love HPal but man I struggle to heal dps standing in fire and tanks overpulling compared to MW and RSham.

[@Cichaj]

@@TheJukeboxzero yeah, rshammy outdps with just healing rain lol

[@simoncasson1526]

Fuck knows why the keep nerfing holy pala actually hilarious

[@_nilson]

makes me wanna quit healing. holy pala is the only healer I wanna play cuz he isn't boring af.

[@simoncasson1526]

@@_nilson Yea I usually pug my way to KSH every season but after reading this shit I will checkout of playing my HPAL until .9 or something and then hope my guild can just boost me, guess Blizz doesn't want healers playing?

[@LeoSpaceman2012]

They are absolute idiots and don't separate m plus from raiding. Some say it's because we bring Dr. Fine. Take away the fucking Dr and just let me have more throughput. Making meters go up is more fun than turning on an aura and having less power. Does Blizzard even understand how players think?

[@Meatcrob1]

@@_nilson same

[@tim9570]

The devs ex gf/wife is hpal main😢

[@maxmilian3229]

Blizzard needs to BUFF EVERYTHING ELSE rather than nerfing stuff. They haven't learned anything in YEARS. My god.

[@Whhodat]

Man, i thought HPal was feeling right in the sweet spot in keys.... Guess ill keep gearing my evoker 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@amhowaye1605]

Your sweet spot is a little painful.

[@maltezz]

now fix trinket drop rates in grim batol.

[@kkin4438]

I'm just gonna sit over here comfortably still playing Mistweaver where we're fairly safe from nerfs cause Blizzard doesn't remember they made us. lol

[@FreeBait]

Still no lust or brez

[@dragonheart4332]

You seen their plans for anniversary though? There's quite a few nice things but they're taking our talent that let us get a bunch of RSK resets away, they're toeing the cast-weaver line again.

[@kkin4438]

@@dragonheart4332 Yeah =/ The pruning of additional reset opportunities sucks. I hope they change their mind or implement it elsewhere. I think the CJL and node changes are more meant for PVP players, but we'll see what it does to playstyles in pve. There are still those who insist on caster playstyle, for sure, which I don't quite understand cause there are better caster style healers than monk lol

[@ploopyful]

@@kkin4438 The fistweaving community ruined mistweaver monks and caused a lot of monks to jump ship. They will never be balanced until they just let them be casters like they're supposed to be. If you want to dps to heal, go disc priest. We really dont need you, or other likewise mindsets in the healing community ruining more specs.

[@kkin4438]

@@ploopyful You sound upset.

[@zacharybaxter7692]

I'll play holy paladin to the day I die, but man these hurts. So unnecessary.

[@actualrumz7691]

Fastest healer coverage NA.

[@danielrobinson7215]

These holy Paladin nerfs are making me wish I main'd my Shaman or Disc Priest again...

[@AutomaticJak]

I'm legit gearing my paladin today and then this LOL

[@danielrobinson7215]

@AutomaticJak it's my first season as a holy Paladin main. Was excited now I feel deflated. Sad times 😢

[@Essjaybee2934]

I just claimed hpal as my first alt today doh … I guess I’m going space lizard I can’t find the shammy vibe

[@javanon]

You should always main your disc. Let this be a lesson to you ;)

[@AutomaticJak]

I feel that

[@yariwow]

I mean Acid Rain is not working in Necrotic Wake and Dawnbreaker anyway. Why they don't fix that first? This bug is there since beta.

[@JaydeeDJ]

or the cleaving Healing Surge from Totemic consuming Master of the Elements buff, but not actually cleaving in those places you mentioned. Sadge :(

[@Jonseemann]

They havent been played in MDI this season yet, once they have it will get fixed within the hour

[@lunitamaria89]

So anoyed at more nerfs to Hpal, I stoped playing my paly after cata until legion and then again until now, i hate using your whole toolkit and barely keeping your party alive.

[@LividAardvark3911]

12:28 I tried. I tried to enjoy it. But there were literally no Priest changes for uh... The like 60th week in a row? I dunno, how long ago was Dragonflight Season 2?

[@APriestMain]

Ngl, someone on the team has to have something against priests :(

[@Zathrain]

Sucks having 2 different healing specs and both are not feeling great

[@APriestMain]

@@Zathrain don't get me wrong, they aren't the worst! But not having an interrupt makes absolutely sense at least

[@richardfeynman7491]

@@APriestMain Priest doesn't need an interrupt, it has other utility like shackle undead, mind soothe, mind control, mass dispel, pain suppression x2, power infusion, high damage.

[@Hxpnoticghost]

@@richardfeynman7491lol you don’t play priest my guy

[@BeMyKlaine]

⁠@@richardfeynman7491have you healed in dungeons as a priest? Mind control is literally useless in keys. Shackle undead is niche at best, and mind soothe has only a few applications as of this season. It’s literally insane to say priests don’t need an interrupt when every other healer has it and it is a major factor in higher keys. One extra kick in a group can change the entire experience of the dungeon

[@Essjaybee2934]

Hpal is so fun tho I wish they just make its raid healing fit better even tho they don’t seem so far ahead to even get this nerf *cries in herald of the sun* . Dear blizz even tho tww is prolly your best work what you done did to hpal almost undoes it all 😅

[@pompommania]

I like playing my priest but prayer of healing is just a dud.

[@xWhackoJacko]

yea it feels bad when those are simply buttons to press to buff or reduce cd on holy words. they have no oompfh at all. Druids dealing with the same thing

[@thegamemattster]

these folks at blizzard don’t understand how herald works man… we felt the first nerf in m+ immediately and now again…🤬. First nerf was even because of a bug to dawn light instead of just fixing it

[@Neurotik51]

that bug still exists, this nerf is also because of that lol

[@shiftey8]

As a life long resto druid I agree. It's the design of the class that's become the problem. Constant rejuv spam and regworth spam to then swiftmend into WG just is not a rewarding gameplay. It's too GCD heavy, if you ever drop of and don't have a hot on everyone, it's game over, so basically meaning it's 30 minutes of absolutely intense concentration to never fail to maintain your hots. They need to be looking at spell synergies, they should consider extending rejuv duration. Perhaps introduce spell synergies that would extend your hots so you wouldn't have to quite maintain is manually so much. Also redesign effloresence. Either make it at least large or just get rid of it, in a decade, most players have not learned how to use it and it's hindering resto druid too much since the entire group has to play around the healer. It's bad design. Trash it. Buff Flourish to at least 50% tick rate, it currently feels like it doesnt even matter. Those are just the things from top of my head and pain points I have with the spec.

[@tobias1438]

Really? efflo is already large and you can move it instantly at any time that you want. If you can't use that properly there is no helping you... Hots just have to be meaningful on their own, but if you dislike having to pre-plan your healing, then maybe a more reactive healer like holy priest is for you?

[@shiftey8]

@@tobias1438 problem with efflo is you rely on other people standing in it, my experience is people don't and since there are lot of movement bosses in current m+, you would have to recast it very very often, that's mana intensive. And people in pugs don't actively stand in it. Because it's annoying having to dodge mechanics and trying to stay in a small circle. A design were people have to play around their healer is inherently bad. And I play resto since vanilla mate, I like preplanning my healing. Doesn't mean I can't be critical if something doesn't work. As it currently stands resto is no longer viable and I have it on good authority from my guildies, resto druid they absolutely don't invite in pugs.

[@TexasPanhandler]

Agreed hardcore on druid; has been my main for a long time now and it has gotten so burdensome to maintain when compared to other healing classes where it’s so much easier.

[@kidnose2231]

I really like the playstyle of rdruid too and started this expansion on it. But, doesnt matter how good you are, you will not be accepted into higher keys. Switched to rsham and my god is it easy to play in comparison, just drop some totems and spam chain lightning = win ....

[@brentwaits954]

@@kidnose2231 yeah maybe in a 6 or 7 lol you can't play like that in a 10 11 or 12

[@kv_6584]

I reckon that priest needs some pretty fundamental reworking. All 3 specs have just so many dead talent nodes, or talents that really should just be in by default imo. But I swear theres some determined anti priest conspiracy at blizz lol

[@Teadrinker-zy1yp]

it's been like this for 20+ years sadly. Always play fotm/hero class or suffer.

[@balbutokaiage1667]

Where the hickedy heck are the holy priest m+ buffs or adjustments? Some people in pugs treat us as a dead class and only play with shammy

[@Waybackwhennn]

I used to main hpriest in df, tried out shammy this season and I’m having a lot of fun honestly but I’m feeling really guilty for every other class that’s not getting tuned properly

[@sabindinca9007]

as a high end resto dru....."No"...catweaving ???what is that??we are so GCD lockt and we don't have on demand HPS...all we do is run around spamming EVERYTHING just to have more hots up and play around with our mastery....and is stupid....i can output about 1.5 mil HPS during some long fights like NW second and 3rd boss...but ppl get clapped in 1 GCD,I don't have HP bars to push that amount of HPS...I just watch ppl die left and right from 100 to zero in 1 GCD...

[@Bleuchz]

Very happy to see them not do an aura hit on Pres as I've been loving Chrono but this is such a heavy handed hit to Consume I wonder if Flameshaper is even playable after this.

[@Tformosus]

Likewise. I've been enjoying Flameshaper Pres. I was clear that it needed a nerf, but this seems rather excessive.

[@FunkyToe369]

Still waiting for them to achieve those goals they outlined during the tank nerfs in beta cause damage feels spikier than ever

[@karlzone2]

Aoe healing just feels like so incredibly op during cooldowns. I can heal the party's or the raids health multiple times in a few seconds with my cooldowns up. And you have to, because the damage intake is that way. And without the cooldowns, you're useless.

[@svsv1191]

100%, i can't heal its too apm intensive

[@MrPFMneto]

Thank you for the video, Jak!!

[@armanalizadeh-sf6kb]

This may be too much, but I always thought resto druid would benefit in m+ a ton by adding a talent that changes rejuv to a 8-10 second cooldown and making it apply to all party members in range/los. Especially since it’s only cast to buff regrowth, the talent could even reduce the healing/duration a bit, but that would save 4 GCDs off the bat and increase the effectiveness of all healing output. It could even be something like MW renewing mists jumping or moonfire/rake applying rejuv to a player who doesnt already have it. Just something that reduces the GCD intensity of rdruid’s healing profile right now

[@johnlinks]

No holy or disc changes? That's just shameful

[@damienwyles6515]

why do they need changes..?

[@bezretmet]

@@damienwyles6515 holy's major raid cooldown is soo bad pros use apotheosis instead of salvation. that's like spirit link being ditched by shamans... this is just not where holy priest is supposed to be. also it feels super bad for holy priest to be forced to muscle heal through every mechanic that shamans just get to kick in m+. disc is perfect in m+ but sucks hard in raid.

[@Teadrinker-zy1yp]

@@damienwyles6515 2/3s of Holy's talent tree is hot garbage and we're spamming FH because it's all we got.

[@damienwyles6515]

​@@bezretmet Where are you seeing disc being bad in raids??? Disc have a higher skill ceiling in raids because you need to research the fights on when to build atonements and pump but theyre actually very good in m+ and raids currently. I agree with you about holy to an extent, they need maybe a little bit of work in dungeons but again in raids their throughput is pretty good, its not flameshaper or shaman but its also not a resto druid. unfortunately Lightweaving has been a thing since forever so spamming flash heals for lightweaving i fear will remain. Also Dominate mind certain prio adds in dungeons - adds dps and then people can kick it once the rest are dead

[@bezretmet]

@@damienwyles6515 even the pros didnt play disc much this rwf. most guilds just take an evoker instead of a disc. it's even in the video. disc needs help in raid

[@Mito383]

As a Holy Pally with a masochism kink, I love the direction Blizzard is going.

[@xWhackoJacko]

oh look, another tuning pass where Priest is ignored. COLOR ME SHOCKED. but this time it might be a good thing, lmao

[@brentwaits954]

stop your crying, get better at the game

[@unyeleman]

As a long time resto shaman main do they really not understand Rshaman is meta because it has decent group DR abilities and a million utility options that pretty much none of the other healers have? I have 2 aoe stops, the best kick in the game, and poison cleanse totem. Maybe buff utility on other healers? lol

[@crazymigdet247]

Absolutely bummed that I was forced to switch from HPal to shaman last week but this confirms that it was the right move for mplus

[@niekohle680]

I was in this season too, because the shaman gave me advantages in the raid. But I'm crying over my paladin. It's just that he just feels bad in m+. At first I thought I'd give him a chance, collect equipment and especially haste, because I had really bad stats, but it just doesn't get any better...😢

[@deadfullyawesome]

is disc getting buffed with october 9th changes to voidweaver?

[@bladedice1]

Im a tank, my friend heals on holy pally funnily enough, we just started farming 9s for crests and neither of us are having fun in m+ which is all we wanted to play and after these notes I think were just gonna pack it in, tanking is stressful, balance changes continually dont make sense, maybe well try next season.

[@brentwaits954]

foh

[@Lefeelz]

I doubt this is why becauae there is no way that blizz doesnt know this. But light of the martyr shows pallys on logs doing more healing than they are. Becauae the avairb shield you get on yourself doesnt count as a negative heal. So its just a flat 30% holy shock increase in logs on top of healing through the absorb you put on yourself

[@brentwaits954]

they should never nerf anyone, only give others a small buff.

[@MyHunta]

Hey Jak, maybe a lil bit off topic but I figured you'd be more likely to see my comment if I put it on your latest vid. Do you think there is a case for disc to pick vamp embrace now that our main damage window is almost exclusively shadow damage?

[@alastairm.4028]

It's nice to see disc up there but the thing is, disc is not a reactive healer and most groups don't have the maturity to know when to use cool downs or just simply turn their brain on. In pugs, disc feels really really bad. Without a truly competent tank to compensate for dps monkeys, disc doesn't really shine

[@jackym4891]

As resto shaman I am usually the top damage dealing healer in my raids I got target of target flameshockmy thunderstorm and I use lavaburst when my button gets shiny.

[@MrDoctorDave]

Cries in pink

[@vanguelisk]

maybe we should have swapped to blue

[@d_j_t]

Lack of anything for Priest is just ridiculous.

[@youvanvampire]

Blizzard employes should watch your videos! Edit: Maybe they did. :D Paladin nerf reverted: Developers’ notes: After continued feedback and further review on performance, we’ve decided to revert the planned Holy Paladin nerf for October 8 weekly reset. Additionally, we’re correcting the bug with Dawnlight and compensating with a buff to its healing to keep its value in raid close to its current performance, while giving it increased performance in 5 party group content.

[@ksilebo]

Reduce regrowth initial healing by 40% and buff all the other Hots by like 10-20% so you can actually put hots on people and catweave. It may be also time to redesign the mastery so you dont need to spend 10 globals to start healing

[@reakdx8692]

I really like the nerf on shaman damage - it makes disc and pres more "ahead" and give them a notch in that metric, whilst disc vs shaman is so much in favour for shaman when it comes to everything else (utility, dispells, etc)

[@ZoneDragoon]

Great video as always, not really a healer more an offspec for me but as Prot Paladin main since like MoP I think that the Paladin designers at Blizzard very often misses the mark with changes for all three specs. They often go around the problems instead of addressing the problems and is very stubborn on certain things they dont seem to wanna change even if the Paladin community would love if they did. The healing reduction here is just another perfect example of that.

[@marcusaguirre7032]

Ive been playing disc for a lil the expac. I dont know if it would make it to op. But i feel like if we were able to get 2 stacks of mind blast like we do with our pow radiance that would help even out our like up and down of the healing. Instead im just spamming smite. Maybe im just a noob but i dunno. Sometimes i just look at my hot bar and im only really left with spamming smite.

[@liamdavies2823]

They’ve had no clue how to properly balance flameshaper since its inception. They messed around with how many seconds of fire/dream breath it consumes and what % of the damage/healing it converts so many times in beta. And it ended up being insanely overturned for pres and undertuned for dev, unsurprising

[@Ironic11ify]

Gonna put my HPal on the shelves and play retri until they decide to give Hpal some love. Sure, healing >9+ is still gonna be possible, but in the end i play the game to relax and now the Game just seems like additional work. Gonna have to do double the effort compared to every other healer in M+ just to keep the group alive. Nah, not gonna do that.

[@ViriuZ7]

I'm just happy that i get to keep my halo as a holy priest

[@xWhackoJacko]

they nerf that we're just a straight dead class in palace considering our other AOE options are either big CDs or hit like wet noodles.

[@matokrajniak1901]

​@@xWhackoJacko I was about to say halo is the only thing giving us a raid spot lol ...

[@MeDusnik]

I have haplly and rsham, and when i'am playing hpally in keys compared to rsham i feel like i need to do 10 times more to do the same rsham can do with 2 buttons, and now it's going to be even worse, thats frustrating coz hpally is my main for 10 years by now and i'am trying so hard not to drop it....but blizzard is just killing it once again

[@brentwaits954]

there are holy paladins doing 12's with no problem right now. Yall are way better than rsham

[@jguy2292]

This no Priest buffs has been a constant stable between EVERY iteration of WoW. Priest sucks in everything, except Classic Era. Whomever is in charge of Priests needs a swift kick.

[@ferewell1]

I deeply regret maining Hpal. The game just punishes you for not playing the strongest meta healer (Rsham). The dungeons are already hard enough and we get 5% healing nerf? Rshaman is outperforming every single healing spec by a mile and they receive a slap on the wrist. Absolutely disgusiting. After these changes went live, I checked the overall ranking and damn, the highest Hpal is Ellesmere, barely hitting top 50 (~rank 43). Meanwhile, in top 20 there are like 16 Rshams. Good job Blizz! You are killing it as usual.

[@deceiver157]

I mean, the most hilarious thing though is that the slap on the wrist on resto shamans, which it is, is ironically hitting where shamans ain't even at their strongest, making the minuscule nerf both a joke but at the same a potential annoyance in very specific circumstances, since it hits exactly the spec's weak spots rather than its strongest (this is especially true for the Earthen Harmony nerf)

[@brentwaits954]

@@deceiver157 healing anything other than a prot warrior is going to feel horrible now =(

[@BovineIntervention]

Me personally i think all you players suck so complaining like youre gonna be healing +15s on progressing for world firsts is crazy. None of these nerfs will affect you or me 😂

[@avellian6840]

The audacity of a Hpal complaining about any class being top after being top for most seasons 😂

[@panajotov]

How about you give some constructive criticism instead of crying? Bet you're just a fotm reroller. Time to buy an mmo mouse, buddy, and jump that rshaman hype! Btw, main rshamans were never asking for hpala nerfs during seasons in which they were outperforming absolutely anyone in healing, utility, and dps. Show some class.

[@Mesiorjafka]

So we gonna play chronowarden in raid? :(

[@marqueswilfong1803]

I've been playing chronowarden, it's just as competitive. It's sustained healing instead of burst healing

[@otter13]

And here i was hoping for some changes to Priest AoE healing, it is in such a sad state... i mean, we got a bunch of spells for group healing, they just do piss poor healing, even Sanctify feels bad to press. But i guess ill keep spamming flash heal and heal.

[@brandonvargas5925]

I don’t even press sanctify in M+, it’s such a dogshit spell since our s4 tier set was removed.

[@xWhackoJacko]

@@brandonvargas5925 yea me either. i dont even press it that much in raids outside of divine wording it - and its still dogshit compared to basically every shaman AOE heal. *shrug*.

[@damienwyles6515]

thats all holy has EVER done outside of raids? sanctify was always shite

[@xWhackoJacko]

@@damienwyles6515 thats sort of OPs point...our dungeon AOE healing is non-existent

[@otter13]

@@damienwyles6515 PoH yes has been bad for a long time. But imo, this is the first Xpac where Sanctify has felt bad, even CoH was useful in Dragonflight with all the renews going out. Everything is just dead now. PoH, CoH, Sanctify, Divine Hymn, and Salvation....we have the kit, its just not useable in dungeons.

[@janue5390]

Somebody who is in charge hates Paladin deeply, the class tree changes coming in 10.0.5 are also horrendous

[@brentwaits954]

do you think you should just be overpowered every expansion until the end of time? stop your crying and get good

[@xjialia]

Also not like Acid rain is even working properly in every dungeon. Doesn't work on boat in Dawnbreaker for example...

[@illfate757]

I agree that they need to redesign resto druid in some way. Outside of soul of the forest Regrowths, NS regrowths and tree form, everything feels so bad and 5% isnt enough healing. I know it's easy to make druid to strong if the hots can combat with AoE damage but a lot of the times it feels like putting Hots on my party is actually reducing their health.

[@rmonogue]

They need to rework the druid class tree so it isn’t necessary to waste points in talents we don’t use to get to important nodes. But yeah, I’d like my HoT class to be able to actually heal with my HoTs.

[@brentwaits954]

it was fine the way they had it before the end of df. the changes made it feel clunky

[@MihoNightwalker]

This is absolutely crazy. Maining hpal since s3 df when it was really bad compared to all the other healers. Had high hopes for tww, spec looked great again, 4 weeks and 3 nerfs later I no longer want to play any keys on my hpal as it feels shockingly bad. And then comes 4th nerf 😂

[@StevenBoston-k7p]

I swapped to hpal main for this expansion and I have never regretted something more.

[@jakeparkbench1425]

It's interesting that they buffed lightsmith HPala when I think all of them are about to become RShams for the season.

[@bradleyproud6096]

Crap like this is why no one wants to heal. Its hard enough and they say hey lets nerf em, all.

[@Moonwired]

OH DUXK OFF, lets nerf holy paladin into the floor.

[@MetalHips]

Wahoo my lightsmith getting love

[@ElCapitanGames]

my mom is actually ride or die light smith.

[@winzoln]

I don't know, I don't trust Blizzard with Hpal again, this is giving me S3 and S4 DF flashbacks and I'm not sure I want to learn another healer just to enjoy the game again. I may just stop playing and check back in after a year since that's how long it took for them to make Hpal fun the last time.

[@andreasaspholm5964]

I'd pay good money just to know what f they are thinking nerfing hpala and leaving resto shaman virtually unchanged

[@BorgWolf359]

This will all change next week & the next all the way up to November 20th Anniversary! I am on a break from WoW till November maybe longer! I am playing for the main storyline & that is it!

[@ryangardner7709]

What about wistweaver😢

[@Hxpnoticghost]

These devs are really clueless when it comes to tuning, the biggest problem with shadow priest was their pitiful dot dmg, if you buffed shadow word pain by 50% it would do the same dmg as a guardian druids thrash with 3 stacks lmao

[@sealteamsesh8742]

I'm actually just gonna flex into prot pala now. 11% overall healing nerf in the past 2 weeks is just absurd seeing as their m+ healing isn't even that good

[@josephcox2214]

I guess nothing has changed what Blizzard. Devs showing they have no idea what they are doing. I guess the lfr raids and follower dungeons the devs are pushing they felt needed change.

[@Devonwilliams-zd1kc]

glad i made a disc priest so i could escape before hpal nerfs hit lol but we all knew rdruid was gonna end up being on top just like how fire mage was going to come back ;)

[@Teadrinker-zy1yp]

Holy Priest needs help so bad it's pitiful. We can't Flash Heal spam our way out of this AoE dmg lads.

[@veselinrankov7322]

I havent seen a holy paladin in a month, why ia it getting nerfed xD

[@blazemordly9746]

Now if we can just get Blizzard to put Dracthyr back to sleep for another 20000 years.

[@crazymigdet247]

I wish Blizzard had to justify their nerves with explanations because that-ish makes zero sense for holy paladins

[@giraffesofluffy8070]

So instead of fixing Acid Rain not working in NW and Dawn they nerf it? Good move

[@clamclosia]

I am loving my MW in raids and dungeons, they are strong! Just wish I had some choice even though celestials is fun.

[@bigrios]

Tbh people don't take accountability that Evokers has reduced range to heal. So imo, the nerf is even higher.

[@codyrompalo9661]

I have no idea what the devs are doing cause these changes are not closing the gap to healer balance.

[@Merril_39]

Monk: Moh is still bugged so the buffs dont matter.

[@fleckens]

Not too surprising holy priest isn't seeing buffs with how it is performing in raid and being brought for most fights, although guess they could have buffed prayer of healing and circle of healing. Resto shaman nerfs make sense though, they don't need raid nerfs and these changes really don't affect them in raid. also while shaman isn't the highest on damage it is probably the easiest damage possible to get out as you just drop the totem you were going to drop anyway.

[@brentwaits954]

not really.. they are doing around 200k with acid rain and spamming lightning bolts + lava burst entire dungeons and still only overalling around 200

[@kevinborges9903]

I’m hoping the complete and total silence on anything priest means they’re hard at work on a huge rework/revamp 🤞

[@xWhackoJacko]

probably not, bud. they like to ignore us more often than not.

[@vanguelisk]

yeah, look what happen to holy paladin in DF after rework :(

[@lunatikhd6304]

ok guys time to lvl up my rshaman after i finished pres evoker. everyone do the same lets all play rshamans since blizz wants this

[@armandsbekmanis405]

Can't help but wonder if they are soft pushing Shamans towards Farseer.

[@AutomaticJak]

How so?

[@jefjon423]

How would these changes do that

[@Valvad0ss]

Lmaoooo huh?

[@danielmooreorless]

My evoker is 600 ilvl and does more damage than my 620 hpal in every key its miserable :') looking forward to the hpal rework after another couple nerfs here we go again.

[@habibiuser]

Flameshaper build was the only reason worth bringing a prevoker to your raid ((:

[@marqueswilfong1803]

I play chronowarden in raid, still pushing massives numbers and being at the top of the chart

[@TonyBones616]

Man, I played Pres all of DF and wanted to try something new so learned HPal. They've given us nothing but nerfs since I chose this class. I must have pissed someone at Blizzard off somehow.

[@Zinojn]

This is frustrating. I stopped playing after season 1 in dragonflight partly due to the status of h paladin. Just came back to play war within and looks like we might have the same situation.

[@joeocallaghan2905]

Wow is so weird now that they patch every week.

[@ramones1314]

The way they have druid right now is really weird. But my biggest annoyance is missed opportunity with synergy. Imagine my disappointment when the wild growth from the treants doesnt impact your mastery, or proc lifebloom blooms at all. And swiftmend consuming a HoT is just miserable gameplay, theres a reason they took that out YEARS ago. Why they added it back is beyond me. Makes setting up for a SOTF clunkier

[@cocacoola7166]

The masses starting to walk out the m+ door because its a horrid rewardless experience. Blizzard -> lets nerf healers !

[@brentwaits954]

yeah as all healers struggle too. it's kind of unfortunate that most the good players play an rsham and now we get punished for just playing better than the other classes

[@Kytrion]

Blizzard casually killing flameshaper spec

[@Dion2000able]

Is it me or are holy priest very low on hp? I feel like I just die on 10’s while using cd’s

[@jeffryb7883]

Lightsmith is just not fun to play for either holy or prot. It's frustrating that they keep pushing the less fun playstyles (caster and now lightsmith) when they already had a huge W with Herald of the Sun.

[@chronoc86]

disc priests need love

[@fyregrass5348]

Worst tuning patch in a while and that’s saying something

[@TH-dg2mm]

Shadow Priest given a lot of buffs. Might be time to dabble a bit.