MASSIVE WARHAMMER 40K UPDATES - HOW HAS IT AFFECTED NECRONS?

[@Planet40K]

NECRONS 40K SECRET MISSIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU THINK! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6mbnqWGeJupfMU

[@DaneInTheUS]

R.I.P. my beautiful Tomb Sentinels.

[@Planet40K]

RIP

[@nicholassmith5206]

Shame we didnt get any other detachment buffs. Skorpeks would have been nice to get battle line in annihilation legion.

[@Planet40K]

Yea that’s true.. dam

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

I was so annoyed with what GW did to my destroyers and flayed ones I wrote up two separate detachments (instead of the travesty their combined detachment was) and like 10 new units to flesh out their subgroups without intruding on the roles of existing units. Honestly, WTF were they thinking...

[@lord123a]

Worst investment , I just bought 2 tomb stalker and 9 arkanthrite. C'mon gw

[@Planet40K]

Yuck

[@leovaeg]

Return them

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Don't use them in tournaments, but anyone who says no to legends units in casual games is insane. Some of the coolest stuff is Legends.

[@Mikester88]

All these updates, erratas and FAQs really shows that you should not buy any physical rules assets from GW anymore. The cards being changed even before they are available for purchase, codexes being changed before they even release. If you buy stuff for the rules or to game with there seem to be no reason, only buy codexes for the art and lore nowadays, and a lot of that lore is copy and pasted from earlier editions. Quite a shame

[@Planet40K]

I agree. I only purchase for studio use. But the app and waha are fine

[@autakis84]

Honestly ok with the stratagem change and the points changes. Will miss my C'tan Precision nukes but can still move them about so I will live. I am, however, a bit gutted by the loss of all Forge World models bar the Seraptek. All other changes seem good to me. Will see after I play my first Pariah Nexus match next week if i still feel that way afterwards. 😅

[@Planet40K]

good luck in your 1st game

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

IIRC one of the now-legends Characters had a vect that turns into Lord of Dread, but also I'd like to point out that it may be a sidegrade, but it's not completely a DOWNGRADE. Vect was once per battle but only on battle tactics. Lord of Dread is on ANY stratagem played with 12" of the model with the rule at all rather than once per battle, and you can use LoS blocking ruins and move-blocking infantry to protect your Vect AoEs. Those same characters? They have OC and can be action monkeys.

[@brendancoster4514]

The change to the overhanging rules means the Tesseract Vault can actually be deployed, it can almost certainly move up the sides, even without player placed terrain. And it's a round base... so it can pirouette around buildings. It's a T12, so some tank shock. And it's plastic, so it shouldn't be going anywhere. You can probably still screen between terrain. And Phasal subjugator on a technomancer in Awakened would give it the +1 to hit plus a baby sitter to heal it. I think I'm going for it.

[@CloudBorne]

Man I want one so bad.

[@Chris-B-Chicken]

we had the +1CP ability on a now legend Vargard Obyron :) it was on the index atleast. ahhhh those old nice characters...

[@PandorableMae]

I’m pissed at the unceremonious dropping of all the Forgeworld units without warning or reason. I’d just gotten my hands on a couple units of Acanthrites to make it even more annoying!!

[@veryblocky]

Ghosts Arks and DDAs getting free pivots due to their round base is almost certainly an oversight, and I’d expect it to be fixed

[@Planet40K]

That’s why I was confused

[@TheProteanGeek]

I've seen people talking about how Doomsday Arks pivoting and gaining 2 inches on a charge. I'm sitting here thinking who the heck charges with a Doomsday Ark.

[@veryblocky]

@@TheProteanGeekthe one thing I can think of is: if you really need to take an objective and the DDA can out OC whatever’s there, without much risk of dying on the swing back, then a 6” charge from reserve makes it very likely you’ll take it. But for the most part, I agree, it’s very situational when you might do this

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Eldar and Drukhari have the same. Maaaaybe, but it'd be nice to learn that was intentional.

[@newvegasify1]

GW pissing us all of by not giving TSK the Overlord and Triarch keywords.

[@MrUdarr]

true that, shame that they didn´t drop him in points too. like 400 seems good to me. ALSO didn´t buff the Triarch Stalker because we have sooooo many Triarch Units to use in the Obeisance Phalanx (oh and give Lychguard some love with like Crypteks back and those who got removed aka Nemesor Zahndrekh and Vargard Obyron)

[@saarlann]

Came looking for this coment. Weird they din not fix that.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Internal balance of necrons is a shambles.

[@Ginger33333]

​@@johnj.spurgin7037 It's an absolute mess. They basically force us to use certain unit and detachment combos if we want to be competitive, but then punish us for using those units and detachments by nerfing the hell out of them. It's mental that they would rather nerf the stuff that *does* work, rather than buff that things that *don't*. "Yeah, lets just make nearly everything equally mediocre, then there's surely nothing for them to complain about" - James Workshop, 2024.

[@RockRanchCowboy]

Big Necron update that was hard to find: Our shooting reroll abilities (lokhust destroyers, Protocol of the conquering tyrant) require half range again because you must meet both criteria to reroll all hits per the core rules commentary, pg 27 I think. Things I do like about this update: My Will Be Done got a "side-grade", but a good one. Awakened Dynasty can get free strat reanimation once again, or reduce the cost of Vengful Stars which I've never used. Doomsday Arks now turn for free. Probably will be FAQed but kinda funny. Even if it is, bigger models are now much easier to move. I can stop taking wraiths and start taking all my C'tan for cheaper!

[@philm.5153]

GW - the only company that wants their customer base to hate them

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Disney would like a word.

[@commandermcnash5137]

@@johnj.spurgin7037 Meh, you don't really need to overcommit that much with Disney, GW on the other hand...

[@commandermcnash5137]

What the hell GW, our Forgeworld units shouldn't have been moved to Legends, all of them could bring something interesting to the table and didn't suffer of redundancy.

[@theprojectside6812]

I reckon the Cosmic Precision nerf was in response to Night Scythes getting Deep Strike tbh, there’s probably some janky loophole to let troops get close without much risk but I don’t use transports enough to really say for sure.

[@newvegasify1]

The nerf only affects monsters ie Ctan trust me GW hasn’t thought about flyers for a while.

[@timothylyons5686]

All these updates, erratas and FAQs really shows that you should stop playing Warhammer 40K using the latest rules unless you play tournaments. If you want a fun game then just use your own rules

[@dandeschambault1810]

So can My Will Be Done be used with a Strategem that was already used or not? It does state in the example that "the part of this ability that would have let you use the same Strategem more than once in the same phase cannot be used at all". Seems to contradict the wording of My will Be Done and other similar abilities

[@mischa3726]

No not anymore. Since it doesnt sprcify a name. Its just basically become: Use a strat for -1 cp.

[@BrianSmith-ek6he]

The loss of forge world is a little sad. So many of our canoptek units are forge world, this is a big hot to the canoptek court. The overlord takes a pretty big hit, my will be done can no longer let us ise a stratagem twice in a phase, with no points reduction... 33 pages of errata/comentary... can we all jist agree this is 11th edition now?😅

[@Japan_Dan]

glad I just bought my forgeworld models.. SMH 😢

[@justinfrick362]

Not directly related to the updates but I just realized and want to get this out: the Death Guard soulrot contagion reduces a units OC by 1, meaning they can shutdown the opponents ability to do actions. Combine that with sticky objectives and this could be huge.

[@Planet40K]

To a minimum of 1.

[@justinfrick362]

@@Planet40K I didn't realize there was a minimum on that ability. Must have missed that earlier

[@anthonysees5015]

I just spent a not so small amount of money acquiting tomb stalkers, sentinels, ans acanthrites. Super pissed.

[@Planet40K]

Pain

[@jameswebb4545]

So pissed off. Just made a bloody Tomb Stalker using wraiths and now I can’t use the damn thing!

[@Planet40K]

Gw are awful sometimes

[@BrianSmith-ek6he]

Oof. That's rough.

[@Dovakhin94]

At first it happend when i built my leviathan dreadnought for my Salamanders and now wit necrons as well? Good thing i also play Genestealer Cults and they dont have any forgeworld minis

[@MrUdarr]

are you a Tournament player? because in games with like your friends and so you can use the Stalker and other Forged World stuff if you want.

[@DaneInTheUS]

Cp costs reduction are for all strategems yes. And you played the old rule wrong - set to 0 came before increasing costs. Doesn't matter anymore anyways lol ... but my poor poor Tomb Sentinels 😭

[@Planet40K]

I’d argue the other way as those abilities were next time you use the strat. As far as sequencing goes the +1 is now first ? Your right it doesn’t matter

[@davidjones4772]

stuff going to legends has been a trend that has been happening all edition to many armies. Tau lost 10 Datasheets this edition.

[@Planet40K]

Dam

[@chrisbeau76]

I'm completely frustrated with the constant negative changes. I just bought two FW Models... They didn't address any of the issues, just more points increases. I figured the Technomancer going to 85 was the nerf to the wraith combo. Now no matter what unit I attach the Technomancer. Doomstalker went up in points. Adding a Cryptek as second leader in awakened dynasty is going to be rough. FYI - Flying bases don't count if the vehicle overhangs the flying base regarding the new pivot rule, they mentioned to use the Hull, same goes for Triarch Stalker. Does anyone else feel as frustrated a me? We lost Anrakyr, Zandrek, Obyron, the Lord, all Crypteks went up in points except the Psyco. Warriors, Res Orbs and Reanimation sucks unless you take Awakened Dynasty and even then you have to kind of build around it. Whats the role of Warriors at this point? Taking objectives using thier 40+ OC? 200 Points without any Leader is steep and the first character that I would place is the Technomancer. I would have rather they never gave the techno the ability to lead Wraiths and this wouldn't have happened. This originated from the Technomancer joining Lychguard with shields. If anything they should have restricted the Technomancer to just battleline since thats where most of t he reanimation happens. The other Crypteks brought some interesting tech to Lychguard, such as Orikan wi th Lychguard using Scythes. The CHronomancer gave them a movement boost consrering thier only move 5" wasn't a big deal. The Psychomancer with his buff gave tnem an interesting mechanic when they hit the Fight phase because of his new aura that makes enemy units within 6" make a battleshock test during thier Command phase at a -1 which had the potential to make enemy units battke shocked for thier entire turn. All of our C'tan need resculpts bad...and at 265 the Deceiver looks like a good deal. And how many times did they change Illuminor Szeras points on top of reducing his aura as well as the Reanimators down to 3". Depressing...and then their there was the T-1 Toughness nerf to the Monolith plus they increased it by +25 points. Lets not forget the Immortal points increase which sucked. They basically backed us into a corner because we only have 1 other Battleline unit which they screwed over via every angle possible. Lower Str on the Reaper, if they want us to take Warriors with Flayers then maybe they should have slightly buffed it by dropping Rapid Fire1 and gave it a siple base 2 attacks up to 24" with 0AP. Why would anyone take a gun that has a single shot at 24" with 0AP and when it is eleiglble to gain 2 attacks its at 12", which is why we take the reaper... Throw us a bone and give warriors "Thier Number is Legion" so it replaces the D3 from Reanimation Protocols to a D6 since they aren't a threat anyway... We also lack the grenade keyword which hurts... Sorry guys...this update put me in a bad mood and I was already not happy with the prior Necron Changes...

[@Planet40K]

I feel your pain. It sucks. I’ve genuinely had thoughts on why I even play this game.

[@chrisbeau76]

@@Planet40K do you have a second Army? Might be one of those times to take a break and play around with your second Army. I have a decent collection of dark angels, which actually received some decent buffs and I was able to randomly grab the chaos marine veterans of the war. Wow, I never realized how many options legionnaires have when it comes to all the different weapons each one can take . For example, legionnaires can take one heavy weapon, such as a Lascannon, however I heard a lot of chaos players not happy with a ton of points increases, I guess too many people were bragging about legionnaires being the best battleline unit in the game for their points.

[@o0Takeno0o]

To be honest i like many of the changes and have to see how much the new mission system will annoy me but over all i like it. I dont feel necrons are weak or cant compete at all. Some Nervs are not needed true but over all i still enjoy playing my necrons and still win most of the time. If i lose its mostly because i decided wrong and very rare because the dice simply wouldnt let me archief anything

[@Damnedlegion40k]

Add a comment... Rise from your Tomb World's

[@taylorsedoo1752]

I just finished building my 6 acanthrites. I hate this

[@Planet40K]

Awful

[@Leeclattermole]

Sad times! I managed an RTT win with 3 of mine but still have 3 new on sprue 😢

[@taylorsedoo1752]

@@Planet40K love your content btw thanks for being such a reliable barer of Necron news both good and bad!

[@taylorsedoo1752]

@@Leeclattermole solidarity

[@Leeclattermole]

@@taylorsedoo1752least they are a badass looking model on the shelves!

[@MrUdarr]

hate it that so many less to never used Units didn´t get a buff. like the Triarch Stalker is sooo cool but for 125 Points it is pricy in my opinion. or the Reanimator is a dead unit .. buff the Range like to 6" and points to 80 boom done.. Silent King is the Big Boss of Necrons.. didn´t even get his Overlord/Triarch Keyword shame on that + a points drop to like 400 would be dope. Cryptothralls dead unit.. the Convergence of Dominion pls remove that stupid thing bc no one ever plays Fortifications. Annihilation Barge buff the Malevolent Arcing Ability to proc on a 4+instead of 5+. cut some points done unit can be used.. soo long so much stuff who needed some changes. but i think GW is drunk sometimes. they roll for what they nerf/buff it feels like.. btw Great Content as always Planet40K sry for that wall of text.. i´m a bit mad

[@alexdavis9677]

Wasn’t there the change of devastating wounds going back to Mortals, which means C’tans not being able to half the damage of that attack? Could be wrong have only scanned through the changes…?

[@mischa3726]

Yes basically. Mw are done 1 by 1 so cant half them and dw are back to being mortals...

[@evgenijvalamin6473]

@@mischa3726 No, in commentraty was written that modificators apply to dev wounds before mortals. Ant devs not split over unit

[@Planet40K]

Dev wounds arnt 1 by 1

[@evgenijvalamin6473]

@@Planet40K you modify dmg and after this deal dev wounds. Looks for dev wounds in commentary

[@mischa3726]

had a look at dev wounds and you are correct and I was wrong, dev wounds page 7 says dev wounds apply mortals AFTER modifiers are applied so half dmg still works on dev wounds... I missed the modied part. Apologies, my mistake but happy to learn :)

[@patricktobias7188]

Is 6 wraiths+ technomancer even worth it nowadays?

[@Planet40K]

Quite pricy. Bit what else can battle the no man’s and live

[@RockRanchCowboy]

I'm swapping them out for C'tan. Just about as tanky and do way more damage.

[@mischa3726]

I still think they have a place. They are tankier than ctan in some ways and have more movement. But it is less of an auto include. I still love them in awakaned with +1 to hit, stealth enhancement and res strat. Just 1 unit goes a long way of drawing all fire or simply getting ignired to gum up the midfield

[@evgenijvalamin6473]

In canoptek or base detach - still. In other detachments - don't think so.

[@staceyrob01]

Interesting about the night scythe gaining deep strike…. Can I rapid ingress this on the opponents 1st turn and deep strike it in? Aim of then unloading 6 Skorpekhs and their Lord for murderous fun on my next turn

[@Planet40K]

No I don’t believe you can as it’s not your move phase

[@staceyrob01]

@@Planet40K thanks! Just got there myself in reading the out-of-phase rules. Quantum Invader ability can’t be referenced while resolving the rapid ingress strategem is my take.

[@AleXooN14]

Shame on lost forge world units

[@AleXooN14]

Wtf gw where is my canoptek sentinel and canoptek acantreets , why you so evil?

[@jaesistich3218]

Hi 😁

[@Planet40K]

howdy