How I learned Tekken from beginner

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Massive Zug

Massive Zug

5 жыл бұрын

03:10 online matches.
This is not a guide, simply a sharing of my journey.
#Tekken #FGC
Try and have a good time (-:

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@DeathScorpi0
@DeathScorpi0 4 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly shocked at how fast you got to higher ranks. I've played Tekken my entire life but just 2 weeks ago I bought T7 and it was my first ever experience against human beings. It's a weird feeling, because I got to know how little I knew about this game, all my life defeating just bots.
@lovelycrits5428
@lovelycrits5428 3 жыл бұрын
SAAAAAMMMMME i thought i was the only one
@blazejecar
@blazejecar 3 жыл бұрын
i've played tekken 5 since my childhood and i could routinely perfect the bot. Then after years I finally make friends who are into fighting games, i put tekken 5 on a ps2 emulator thinking imma whoop their mashing ass nah, all of em destroy me cause they just mash random moves and I'll be trying to block but obviously they're not using the same strings as the ai so i get surprised and punished for being patient. Turns out I only learned how to play against the ai's programming and real people will, in fact, not get hit by random super moves, the 10hit combos and devil jin's flight laser xD Realized i know jack shit about how to actually play the game fast forward to few days ago, a friend (complete noob for fighting games in general) buys tekken 7, asks to play on steam couchplay. Meanwhile I've played DB Fighterz since release, have way over 1000 hours on it and one of my friends even ranked high at EVO for the game and I beat him sometimes. I think "ah well now with my understanding of fighting game fundamentals and all I'll surely whoop ass in tekken" >play >pick characters i knew from tekken 5 so i can be familiar with moves AND apply my new knowledge >lose 13-4 this game is really not for me it seems xD
@chinwenduizenwata6763
@chinwenduizenwata6763 3 жыл бұрын
@@blazejecar cool story bro...lol j/k. I get it though. I thought I was hot stuff in Capcom vs SNK 2 and Street Fighter 4, then my friends showed me that I'm just used to programs and not real people 😐
@papi2shampu4u
@papi2shampu4u 3 жыл бұрын
Same. Been playing since Tekken 2-3 against bots, got 7 and tried online one day and got a big wake up call lol
@VinceJayEBoter
@VinceJayEBoter 3 жыл бұрын
Same, I was playing Tekken 6 ang Tekken Tag 2 for years against bot and when I finally bought and played Tekken 7 I realized how much of I noob I was at the game😅
@Bottles7
@Bottles7 4 жыл бұрын
I like how because you're Australian and I'm Australian I recognised the majority of the players you played against in this video. We must have been ranking up through these ranks at around the same time. Because I played a lot against delet in yellow and then noob in orange and red. Love the channel mate subscribed
@GoronsCave
@GoronsCave 4 жыл бұрын
Its the real bottles PogChamp, just as cool as the real Topples
@Bottles7
@Bottles7 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoronsCave cooler though
@MassiveZug
@MassiveZug 4 жыл бұрын
We should play sometime!
@snackpaxcup
@snackpaxcup 4 жыл бұрын
"he does..." me: "wavedash" "some kind of move..." ok this is absolutely real
@samuelalphabet5360
@samuelalphabet5360 4 жыл бұрын
Bruh it's called Mist Step you literally just press forward it was on the screen and he explained it for everyone who actually pays attention
@snackpaxcup
@snackpaxcup 4 жыл бұрын
@@samuelalphabet5360 I was saying the mist step looked like a wave dash, he was learning at the time
@rossanderson4156
@rossanderson4156 4 жыл бұрын
@@snackpaxcup it does look like a wavedash, only mixed with a sidestep
@TyrellYT
@TyrellYT 4 жыл бұрын
03:10 this is probably the best I've seen a beginner play tekken honestly
@pondoz
@pondoz Жыл бұрын
yeah his combo game is insane tbh, took me till mentor rank to get 50+ dmg combos and now have perfect optimisation on combos at warrior rank now.. just learning to low parry and having a lot of success (2 - 3 per match) vs any rank i play
@th3b1gsto0p6
@th3b1gsto0p6 Жыл бұрын
You think so? I downloaded tekken yesterday and I'm muuuch better
@TyrellYT
@TyrellYT Жыл бұрын
@@th3b1gsto0p6 I highly doubt that. Hitting someone successfully while doing Unga bunga doesn’t mean better Lmaooo
@zeywop
@zeywop Жыл бұрын
@@pondoz i mean, he did say he labbed for over 40 hours right before that match started lol
@Daylen151
@Daylen151 Жыл бұрын
​@@th3b1gsto0p6 what platform. put your money where your mouth is.
@theDiReW0lf
@theDiReW0lf 4 жыл бұрын
This is inspiring. I spent 100 hours practicing Korean backdashes and electrics then stopped playing. Fuck it I'm going to pick it up again.
@rhys4545
@rhys4545 4 жыл бұрын
That’s where you are going wrong, spending time practicing in the wrong areas
@theDiReW0lf
@theDiReW0lf 4 жыл бұрын
@@rhys4545 Lol I'm well aware. But it's too addicting.
@StarShadow9009
@StarShadow9009 4 жыл бұрын
@@theDiReW0lf then you are a true breed mishima player. Also try Jin, he might help you get better.
@theDiReW0lf
@theDiReW0lf 4 жыл бұрын
@@StarShadow9009 Lol not yet. But everyday I'm nailing those electrics more consistently. I find the execution barrier extremely satisfying, though. Never change Tekken.
@not_ordnance
@not_ordnance 5 ай бұрын
It's been 4 years and I still come back to this video often to remind myself what it's like to learn a FG for the first time again - really puts my perspective right
@magnusbokarlsson
@magnusbokarlsson 4 жыл бұрын
Sick vid man. Nice to see this perspective as a long time player. Seems like you picked it up real fast 😀
@danstone9039
@danstone9039 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ... I’m getting close to 600 wins with my main and can only just manage to stay in yellow ranks
@MassiveZug
@MassiveZug 4 жыл бұрын
I played so much Street Fighter IV it should have been illegal; so I've got those fighting game mechanics in my DNA haha
@abirneji
@abirneji 4 жыл бұрын
@@MassiveZug yeah, it was crazy when you said it took you 30 wins per colour, whereas in my case I played casual offline tekken for years before taking it seriously so it took me about 150 wins to get to green, then 100-150 for every colour after that currently lodged in red and practicing 3d tekken funny thing to add on to the end here, I actually learned to play tekken the same way you did when I started taking it seriously and every rank description matched my experience, including leo's who don't let me rank up
@Arsa...
@Arsa... 4 жыл бұрын
good for you im already at 1157 wins with my main (my main is lee) and i can only manage to stay in red ranks
@danstone9039
@danstone9039 4 жыл бұрын
lord tachanka Guess we’re all in it together, haha
@Arsa...
@Arsa... 4 жыл бұрын
@@danstone9039 😂😂😂
@develish1111
@develish1111 Жыл бұрын
Excellent! I'm a bit late to the party, but nice video. Pretty accurate description of how each color feels, though it varies quite a bit depending on how cheesy your character is. It's harder to get through the lower levels with a super honest, fundamentals-focused character (i.e. Kazumi, Lili, Shaheen) but it speeds up the intermediate process because you have to learn faster. I swear there is no more iconic duo in Tekken than low ranks and free Jins. I've fought so many myself.
@jaybass8648
@jaybass8648 4 жыл бұрын
Keep it up man, I'm a Lee player in Australia too! Glad to see this type of content from you, hope to Vs you one day
@nicowawa
@nicowawa 4 жыл бұрын
We need more players like you in the community! i wish i could play some matches with you (im a raijin scrub and an defensive alisa player) but im from europe so it wouldn't more than a one bar match sadly, oh well anyways keep up the good work im finna sub you got in my recommended :]
@Ax20414
@Ax20414 3 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled upon your channel. According to your intro we have a real similar background in fighting games! I've played a bit of SFV but have watched a lot of Tekken recently and am interested in starting. Just downloaded it. You make great videos!
@stevenburton4966
@stevenburton4966 4 жыл бұрын
why does this video have so few views? this is Gold.
@c463
@c463 4 жыл бұрын
Tutorial: Tekken: Whooosh
@Keihart
@Keihart 4 жыл бұрын
Every character is a lab character, jeez. Those bible looking move list characters are specialists.
@illproducer
@illproducer Жыл бұрын
This video is freaking awesome, subscribed!
@Tko_Seven
@Tko_Seven 2 жыл бұрын
u r funny. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it very much because I have gone through the agony of losing desperately in Tekken inch by inch. It took me years to get to Ryujin. I've gone around the longest path while some people get good pretty quick.
@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI
@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI 4 жыл бұрын
Takes me back to tekken 6. It took me the whole 6 years to get out of the green/yellow ranks. When I did get out, I rarely played rank
@Ninjabob568
@Ninjabob568 4 жыл бұрын
made me chuckle. got a sub. gl in your tekken adventures
@RedBandanaGato
@RedBandanaGato 4 жыл бұрын
An excellent choice, as a Lee main I'm glad to him have some love :D
@vjuttujee5028
@vjuttujee5028 4 жыл бұрын
can't step electric with most characters, you need to walk it. But it's difficult so I wouldn't recommend it. Also yeah recording your matches and watching them and labbing what you don't understand is the most time efficient way of getting better, good job figuring that one. Every exceptional player I've ever known has been able to play all or almost all characters proficiently, so I stole that strat when t7 came out, learned every character and now I'm without a doubt a better player than ever before. MAYBE ITS A COINCIDENCE, but what if it's not? gl
@SkyreeXScalabar
@SkyreeXScalabar 4 жыл бұрын
what should be learned to be able to try a character online? Just got the game, only 2 hrs in, never played a fighting game before
@LeRotaku
@LeRotaku 4 жыл бұрын
@@SkyreeXScalabar yo you still in? i can help you learn, got both pc and ps4 versions
@SkyreeXScalabar
@SkyreeXScalabar 4 жыл бұрын
@@LeRotaku I'm on pc, would love some help. I have one friend on ps4 though and was wondering if I should switch to just have a friend to play with
@POP-nm1ix
@POP-nm1ix 9 ай бұрын
Hey, you played with the same character that I played when I started Tekken for the first time. That's pretty cool. Yesterday, was the very first day I've ever played a Tekken game and that was the first character I'd picked against my cousin and I'd won 4 consecutive times with him.
@Scorptice
@Scorptice Жыл бұрын
I have missed the glory years of tekken 7 but man I am getting ready for tekken 8
@HokiHumby
@HokiHumby 3 жыл бұрын
did you just start off by getting a stick set up, or did you already have one from other fighting games? if you have experience playing with, say a ps4 controller (what i use) - what's your two cents on the stick / gamepad vs controller?
@joshsumner1611
@joshsumner1611 4 жыл бұрын
your early game stats are kind of incredible lol I lost so many games in early ranks its ridiculous
@earnestknight5443
@earnestknight5443 4 жыл бұрын
You can side step the perfect electric. But, you have to side step left I’m pretty sure because it has a property we’re it tracks right.
@casual.dojo.1
@casual.dojo.1 Жыл бұрын
"Our scientists quickly noticed" Lmao - Thumbs up just for that humour. Great vid. Lots here. Thanks.
@Riomtz
@Riomtz 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha im new to your videos, nice ending lmao. Btw your videos are helping me trough Tekken 7, im playing on keyboard but im shit, gotta practice.
@LongestYardstick
@LongestYardstick 9 ай бұрын
literally just picked up this game (first fighting game ever), started learning kat, and then saw your one button spoof ad in the middle and about died xD (sorry, old vid comment I know)
@wiZZZard27
@wiZZZard27 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Just discovered your channel and it's really great, thanks for your guides, they are amazing. You mentioned you got to Tekken after dropping sf5. I have a similar situation, I quit after sf5, but I want to try Tekken. I played marvel and guilty gear, but 3D is a whole new world for me. Do you have any specific advices for transitioning from 2D to 3D?
@isiahdomine8875
@isiahdomine8875 4 жыл бұрын
Luv your videos mate. Keep it up! Easy to digest for begginers and your other videos do cover up the fundamentals that begginers should be focusing on. My cousins and friends are tryna get the hang of tekken an a recommend your videos 10 out of 10!!
@coleworld8265
@coleworld8265 4 жыл бұрын
MASKU BOIS XBOXGANG Good job sticking with the game to rank up and taking the time to learn match ups.
@07citychamp
@07citychamp 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao love that promo to genbu, definitely been there, some people just get freed up sometimes
@satoiify
@satoiify 4 жыл бұрын
I started with Lili, and when i did hit my 120+ something wins i was still in blue ranks xD Than i switched to Elize and get in yellow ranks in two days easy with glade abuse. Getting in higher ranks showed me how important is to know fundamentals, because most of people in here was beating me up with them. Its really hard to see how important is fundamentals, when blue and green ranks just mixing you up and torturing you with tons of snake edges)
@vaughnalexander31
@vaughnalexander31 4 жыл бұрын
what's the combo for Katarina again?
@Geallach83
@Geallach83 4 жыл бұрын
Came for the tips, stayed for the SFV and Katarina shade
@MinoComics
@MinoComics 4 жыл бұрын
Really good channel, just discovered. 15:44 Yes Jin usually should be above, but in T7 it's kinda unreliable and nerfed
@TReXxYT
@TReXxYT 4 жыл бұрын
very enjoyable video!
@nattvandrarn1
@nattvandrarn1 4 ай бұрын
wow.. elite mindset m8. I just try to learn on the job so to speak and get stuck on dan 1 till i get bored xD
@GG-09
@GG-09 Жыл бұрын
I played continuously for a week, and dedicated my time towards this game and I got to orange rank destroyer with Steve fox. Three things I couldn't figure out was character knowledge, punishment and how to poke. But I think with character knowledge and punishing it takes time.
@ToshinRaizen7
@ToshinRaizen7 Жыл бұрын
how tor educe input lag in online match? i use DS4 on pc
@decoy3418
@decoy3418 4 жыл бұрын
How much time do you have on the game? Pls respond :)
@AnneFrankExplosion
@AnneFrankExplosion 4 жыл бұрын
Good vid. Keep doing this
@j.w.7608
@j.w.7608 4 жыл бұрын
Asuka leo or dragnov arent in this video so idk how to apply this to how i play
@yurexpi
@yurexpi 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos
@UnperfectFeeling
@UnperfectFeeling Жыл бұрын
Stuck on the edge of Yellow. REALLY struggling against lows that throw me. My reaction time is looooooooong.
@AJay-st3go
@AJay-st3go 4 жыл бұрын
Great sense of humour 😁😂😆. KAT BOX😂😁
@Croco_G
@Croco_G Жыл бұрын
bro's learning curve is actually crazy.
@netoxis3258
@netoxis3258 2 жыл бұрын
8:38 that is a really cute dog man
@CSmyth191
@CSmyth191 3 жыл бұрын
Tried to pick up tekken and ended up putting a hole in my wall. Thanks for the inspiration.
@FoxyGrandpa1998
@FoxyGrandpa1998 3 жыл бұрын
Try to pick up therapy and lab the stress ball.
@danielapesina7169
@danielapesina7169 Жыл бұрын
Hey! What kind of keyboard you are using? Looks amazing!
@grantbeale4715
@grantbeale4715 5 жыл бұрын
Good video amigo!
@MassiveZug
@MassiveZug 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, appreciate the kind words.
@JamshadAhmad
@JamshadAhmad 4 жыл бұрын
This right here is the subscribe material.
@--Seratin-
@--Seratin- Жыл бұрын
ur using joystick or aracde box?
@hanzorik6215
@hanzorik6215 28 күн бұрын
What keyboard are you using in this video?
@Lancorian
@Lancorian 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I could probably be a lot better if I would use the lab more often. But it's not really fun, it's hard work. Also, if you learn the top 15 moves of each character and there are 50 characters now I believe, that will make 675 moves to learn...
@theLazymofoz
@theLazymofoz Жыл бұрын
just bought the game, first online tekken experience 200+ games, haven't even seen what green rank is like yet :')
@flatterswhite
@flatterswhite 4 жыл бұрын
actually a really good video
@jsim0214
@jsim0214 4 жыл бұрын
nice keyboard you got there!
@kulik7403
@kulik7403 4 жыл бұрын
I am either not playing enough or just idk... makes me sad sometimes. I did not care then I was a kid now adult life is so much different
@GoronsCave
@GoronsCave 4 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, I'm from OCE too, the player noob save states his games and stuff. He isn't very good at all, I know it's disappointing fighting him lol
@xxstepsxx4227
@xxstepsxx4227 9 ай бұрын
Fighting world’s definition of aim both button 😂
@brandon.alexander.design
@brandon.alexander.design Жыл бұрын
2:13 thanks for pointing that out, same issue here lmao
@DunkeysLongLostSon
@DunkeysLongLostSon 3 жыл бұрын
8:40 now that's a good PET
@gunnymaru2900
@gunnymaru2900 2 жыл бұрын
About 800 wins, Feng main, keep fluctuating between Brawler to Warrior. Occasionally a Dragunov or King drops my ass back to grandmaster. Its been two weeks of this suffering. Send help.
@wrcaiowr
@wrcaiowr Жыл бұрын
What is the joke on law and 3 bar connection? I've seen quite a few times and can't understand it lmao
@spiritualopportunism4585
@spiritualopportunism4585 4 жыл бұрын
Funny and informative 👍
@Rynojackax
@Rynojackax 4 жыл бұрын
next time you make a cake, just sift the dry ingredients xD
@coutiya2007
@coutiya2007 4 жыл бұрын
he was trying to make a point that because of the shitty connection, shit won't get through
@juicelg8766
@juicelg8766 Жыл бұрын
Mans got the keyboard from 1997 😂
@Jeffway24
@Jeffway24 11 ай бұрын
Highest I ever got was whatever that first blue one was. They knocked me back down to purple immediately.
@scarvello
@scarvello 4 жыл бұрын
His kicks are dangerous
@tensevo
@tensevo 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid but when you talk about color and rank I have no idea what order these are in, just random color names.
@itzjaysee
@itzjaysee 2 жыл бұрын
Id like to buy the Kat box please
@Artem_Ladyzhev
@Artem_Ladyzhev 11 ай бұрын
Start Tekken with Lee...Man, you are crazy
@markvigo1747
@markvigo1747 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, how the fuck do you get the b2 after 4,u3? I'm always miles away from the opponent
@Tbowskies
@Tbowskies 4 жыл бұрын
12:50 was an instant like and subscribe
@OniKanobi
@OniKanobi 4 жыл бұрын
Lol..me too
@Alcyone_FGC
@Alcyone_FGC 3 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie mr zug zug is looking like a snacc
@kylefields3951
@kylefields3951 4 жыл бұрын
Dude these skits are so cheesy and so early youtube 😂. I don't mind them tho cause you actually look like you're having fun with it.
@sungjinkim712
@sungjinkim712 4 жыл бұрын
i didnt know ramsey malek played video games.
@itaiitai8960
@itaiitai8960 Жыл бұрын
IM 34Y I PLAY TEKKEN ON AND OFF FOR 2 YEARS HOW DO U HAVE THE TIME TO DO 40H LAB LOL I JUST LOGIN AND PLAY
@genericyoutubeusername6462
@genericyoutubeusername6462 Жыл бұрын
So... just combo ?
@jokrwx3
@jokrwx3 2 жыл бұрын
I recommend a good connection before jumping to this game
@ZiyaB3ast
@ZiyaB3ast 4 жыл бұрын
Bro I've been playing for a year and Im stuck between green and blue. My fault tho really I only lab my combos so I need to start labbing my fundamentals and then character matches
@heatherblaire2187
@heatherblaire2187 4 жыл бұрын
Damn dude! What's your platform?
@ZiyaB3ast
@ZiyaB3ast 4 жыл бұрын
@@heatherblaire2187 ps4
@heatherblaire2187
@heatherblaire2187 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZiyaB3ast too bad I'm on pc. I was thinking we could be practice partners
@ZiyaB3ast
@ZiyaB3ast 4 жыл бұрын
Yea I need practice partners. I'm trying to get my roommate into tekken
@heatherblaire2187
@heatherblaire2187 4 жыл бұрын
@@ZiyaB3ast good luck with that hope you the best.
@cutekillerqueen1149
@cutekillerqueen1149 4 жыл бұрын
i just started playing tekken and i have trouble remembering in puts and combos what should i do? sry fo bad english
@cutekillerqueen1149
@cutekillerqueen1149 4 жыл бұрын
@@justajackal3574 thx
@s.o.k5207
@s.o.k5207 4 жыл бұрын
@@cutekillerqueen1149 break the combos in to parts and start to put it together. If you struggle on one part just practice that one move by itself. Once you got a hang of that move join it with the other parts
@hanoiiuchiha3952
@hanoiiuchiha3952 4 жыл бұрын
Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance 😂❤
@spiritarchangel
@spiritarchangel 4 жыл бұрын
im actually that leo in the video my friend showed me this today and i had no idea i was in it this was so long ago, i was still learning tekken at the time
@jackyjamesjeffersonjamaljohnso
@jackyjamesjeffersonjamaljohnso 4 жыл бұрын
Bro stop lying I'm actually the leo in the vid
@execautoexec
@execautoexec 4 жыл бұрын
You two need to shut the fuck up and stop claiming your the Leo, i played him that day and its obvious its me.
@RushdownNinja
@RushdownNinja 4 жыл бұрын
LEO GANG
@Ghostly-00
@Ghostly-00 4 жыл бұрын
I had that same thing happen except it was with a Dueling Network video! (Dueling Network was a site where you could play Yugioh against others).
@Mihail4444
@Mihail4444 3 жыл бұрын
good humor! :)
@Uppernorwood976
@Uppernorwood976 Жыл бұрын
I love Tekken, but I’m still stuck at the starting line with movement. And throw breaking? Forget it!
@axellyann5085
@axellyann5085 Жыл бұрын
It's all about the character. Example, King i usually mash 1 when he's close because they like to buffer giant swing. And when we are not close i mash 1+2 because they will use the running grab. Law, Bob, Marduk, Lee in stages with floor break, Leo when she has back at wall, Fahkumram and Kazumi when we have our back at wall, etc. All these dangerous throws break with 1+2 so I'm always alert to it. Way better just eat a normal throw than one of these that will kill.
@kosan3688
@kosan3688 4 жыл бұрын
Sidewalk works better for me against Mishima. Just throwing it out there.
@rossanderson4156
@rossanderson4156 4 жыл бұрын
Subbed bb
@taroko3721
@taroko3721 3 жыл бұрын
Nice model M keyboard
@therevman5940
@therevman5940 Жыл бұрын
you have some beautiful eyes man i aint even gonna lie
@XNDL44
@XNDL44 4 жыл бұрын
One of these days I will learn enough match ups to get the hell out of green ranks
@2000Doriyas
@2000Doriyas 4 жыл бұрын
Just pick up on the basic pattern of the person you’re facing and abuse command grabs, you could easily push through with grabs / hopkicks / hellsweeps and other good lows
@XNDL44
@XNDL44 4 жыл бұрын
@@2000Doriyas The main thing is I need more character knowledge from a wider variety of players. I don't like losing to what I wold consider an average player just because they used a lesser used character. For that reason I stopped playing ranked and just do player matches to get more of a feel against the cast
@noahhjepsen7018
@noahhjepsen7018 4 жыл бұрын
​@@XNDL44 i get what you mean man. I hate losing to some dude who is using basic stuff and plays below average, but to progress upwards in ranked you gotta just win game 1 and exploit the opponent's patterns. I am right before the green ranks and that is purely from doing like 8 salty runbacks against somebody who is spamming 1 move against me.
@Mariofan7
@Mariofan7 3 жыл бұрын
From Zug to Massive Zug
@aman7930
@aman7930 4 жыл бұрын
8:37 the dog uwu
@orinbay7742
@orinbay7742 3 жыл бұрын
Highly technical lenguage here and there, but a great video after all.
@lauranceyeomans6600
@lauranceyeomans6600 Жыл бұрын
+1 for how completely typically aussie this is.
@mlvlnc
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Sick keyboard
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You can use apple cider whiff punishment
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