What happened to the Mass after Vatican II? -with Fr. Dwight Longenecker

[@suzannemattie3493]

There is stability in the TLM. This is why the Churches were overflowing in the 50s. Some might say it was rigid and Catholics didn't have as much of a visible relationship with Jesus, as the protestants tout, but kids knew their catechism, families prayed together and actually went to Mass, and reverence for the sacred was lived. There were many nuns and priests and Catholic schools, and they were respected. Now the Church is splintered, nuns and Catholic schools scarce, priests are treated so casually, and the statistics show how few believe in the Real Presence. I lived it, left the church for 20 years, looking for " more of Jesus", and came back and found Him exactly where I left Him, in the Holy Eucharist. I lived through the change and see the disastrous results.

[@EliteTrainingForBasketball]

Well said, Suzanne

[@jackieann5494]

Yup 👍 It's like saying Beethovens Fifth is too rigid .

[@rtyria]

I think people's experience of Catholic life in the 50's largely depends on their family and parish life. My mother was born in the Detroit archdiocese, the pastor of the only Catholic church in town was, judging from her few stories involving him, very anti-social; the nuns who taught in school ran hot or ice cold. My mother loved her teacher, my uncle was deeply humiliated by his because she called him an illegitimate child in front of his whole class. My grandparents were converts married by a Justice of the Peace (at least a year before their first child was born by the by) and didn't have much of a prayer life at home. They did the best that they could do, but what passed for pre-VII RCIA in that area left much to be desired. As chaotic as it was, as bad as it was, it was infinitely better than what came after the council. But that was Detroit, ground zero for liturgical abuses and nightmares of every kind.

[@mmont]

Excellent points!

[@teresamoore5204]

Knowing Jesus is the most important...having that personal relationship. Knowing the catechism and everything else is just information. I do not remember the stability you speak of. I love the NO Mass but I also love the Latin Mass. My relationship with Jesus is the most important to me.🕊️💕🕊️

[@jess.e]

I became a RadTrad 6 years ago when I got so tired of abuses in the NO, committed by the people and sadly, by the priests themselves. During baseball season, a priest says "What about those Mets?" A young priest celebrated Mass wearing red Crocs. At the beginning of one Mass, the priest said, "You must all be getting tired of hearing the same prayers." At first, I did not understand what he was saying, until I heard him using his own prayers all throughout the Mass, including consecration. A top-heavy woman (you know what I mean) distributed communion, wearing a thin T-shirt with nothing underneath. In an LGBTQ-friendly parish, there was a prolonged kissing and hugging during the peace sign. I could go on and on. I love everything about the Latin Mass even if I still do not speak Latin (my red guide book is a big help). I know that when the priest is whispering his prayers and the choir is chanting. they are all prayers addressed to God, who hears every word.

[@christopherplonka5948]

This is horrifying!

[@nathaniellathy6559]

A big problem with Novus Ordo Church is it caters to Globalism.

[@el-sig2249]

@@nathaniellathy6559 Yes it is the Church of the Masons.

[@el-sig2249]

The horrifying results of the VII apostasy!

[@user-ht9fr6eh9u]

NOvus Ordo. Where every person thinks they are centre stage

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Treditionis custodes made me a Latin Mass advocate. That said I go to a NO vigil Sat. and a Diocese Latin Mass Sunday at 5PM. After listening to both sides of the NO/TLM debate which I wasn’t aware of before TC I’m not against V-2 but I have grave concerns about the way Vatican II was implemented. It's not a rejection of V-Il it's the rejection of the “Spirit of V-Il” which all but ripped the heart and soul out of the Catholic faith along with the Latin Mass, sacred music, the High Altars and communion rails. These over zealous Bishops, priests and parish councils replaced or remodeled beautiful Catholic Churches with drab protestantized churches with a radically New Order Mass with lay people all over the sanctuaries acting like faux priests and awful, bad music helped cause the mass exodus from the Church. Bring back the sacred music and a couple of communion kneelers at the front of the altar so people can piously receive the Eucharist and getting rid of Eucharistic ministers would be a huge step forward.

[@bthemedia]

Amen amen 🙏 such a well presented and introspective comment! ❤ ✝️

[@marcosgonzalez4525]

The more I understand what Vatican Ii did and the beauty and truth of the traditional mass , the more I want to go back . I left the Church In the early 60s as a young boy and remember some Latin Masses . I came back to the Church in 87 and now are coming full circle to my faith home . At 70 , it has been a long journey but Thank God the Lord and Our Lady and St Joseph never left me .Praise God !

[@Fred-qe5dl]

I love this priest...very practical and simple... priests dont need to be radical in changing the parish.... a simple step by step change with explanation for better understanding is the right way to restore the sacred in the Church

[@mcgilldi]

Yes!

[@exaltavithumiles]

Really good take. Even Saint Paul talks about milk before solid food. I’m sure Fr’s approach has softened and opened hearts, seeing how his parish was worshiping with rock music upon his arrival.

[@catholiclife9304]

God bless you for trying to educate in a Charitable way....We need love and respect badly in our church and country.... Thank you Father.. Thank you for shedding a beautiful light on traditional Latin mass...May we all find peace in the Holy Eucharist...... Jesus I trust in you...Ave Maria my mother my friend ...

[@josephcade3541]

The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph

[@jamesgibson538]

As a priest trained in the 1970's, I can agree wholeheartedly with Fr. Longenecker. Our priests have NOT been trained to celebrate the Eucharist. Among other things, we were never taught the place of music-singing. I sang the whole Mass in my first celebrated Eucharist (only the first two readings were not sung... the Gospel, Eucharistic Prayer, and all the propers and ordinary were sung). This was Novus Ordo. I believe that ANY daily Mass can be celebrated with the same reverence as any Latin Mass which I served in the 1960's.

[@decluesviews2740]

Greenville, SC is immensely blessed. I've lived in many states. The fact that I now have 3 parishes within a 10 min drive that offer Ad Orientem N.O. and/or E.F. Masses is a tremendous grace. Fr. Longenecker is one of the best pastors I've ever had.

[@paulinewatson8240]

I find that the Mass in our church is so crammed with involvement, singing, etc that I come away afterwards feeling overwhelmed & that I have been so busy participating, I somehow missed Jesus in all the crowdedness. I would love so much for there to be more silence & less rush at Mass.

[@MassoftheAges]

I feel the same way. The TLM is when Mass + Adoration meet.

[@angelicdoctor8016]

@@MassoftheAges except... and I think you can contribute much more to support the pope here ... the TLM is not the "lex orandi" of the Catholic Church; so, encouraging Eucharistic Adoration in addition to Mass, if somebody feels this way, is of course to be encouraged. All the recent popes are in favor of Eucharistic Adoration, which will hopefully continue to gain momentum.

[@johnholmes6667]

@@angelicdoctor8016 The pope wishes to create The Ape of the Mass-women priests, light in the loafers clergy who wish to “marry” (Wach or thee!! The Ten Suggestions as he’s declared the Commandments not being Absolute. Prayerful cloistered, contemplative orders were taken down as he said they’re too ridiculous as is TLM and so too St. Paul’s teaching on worthy reception of Communion!

[@angelicdoctor8016]

@@johnholmes6667 So, John, that's slander of the pope -- a grave sin. Please quote Francis directly and show the error, if you can please.

[@nataliekline6044]

Amoris Laetitia, Synod on Synodality, telling a large family they were breeding like rabbits, telling a child his dog was in heaven. James Martin is a favored priest and in good standing. Priests faithful to tradition are cancelled but McCarrick brokers a deal with Chinese church and Zen is left hanging in the wind. John Holmes is NOT slandered the pope. And angelic doctor you are not defending the faith.

[@jeffgriscoa8131]

If the devil hates Latin, then by all means we should be praying and doing more things in Latin! Fr. Repperger was right. Exorcist who fight with demons have even testified the prayers in Latin are more effective. Of course that also includes the holiness and preparation of that priest.

[@DanielJohn2300]

That makes sense, because the meanings of Latin words can't change as they can in the vernacular.

[@roseannenorman7129]

@@DanielJohn2300 but many prayers were removed. You get what you pray for, according to Fr. Rippiger

[@lmtt123]

That's theologically incorrect. It's not Harry Potter casting spells!

[@garyolsen3409]

Here's my take on Vatican II from someone who became a Catholic thirteen yrs ago at age 60. To me I believe Vatican II was a disaster for the Church, I believe that with my whole heart. Before I became Catholic I never understood what V II was all about. Now my eyes have been opened and I have a better understand of what happened. It seems to me that that wanted to make it easier to be Catholic and more ecuminical and broader appealing, sort of a watered down version. They took the reverence out of the Church and after that it wasn't valued like it was before. Now we have "everyone will be saved" so why be Catholic. I've actually heard of priests telling people wanting to convert that they don't need to be Catholic or have the Sacraments to be saved. I wasn't Catholic back then but I do know what I am missing.

[@marcokite]

agreed, i'm ex-protestant. i think a lot of cradle Catholics don't give it the same thought as us converts! don't mean to sound smug.

[@tonygibson6436]

In spite of a weak heretical priest you became a Catholic. It shows that even with a road block, the Holy Ghost fans the flame within us all to drawer closer to the fountain of Life. In the words of St Augustine: “You are great O Lord and greatly to be praised: great is your power and to your wisdom there is no measure. And man, who is a part of your creation wishes to praise you; man who bears about within himself his mortality, who bears about within himself testimony to his sin and testimony that you resist the proud. Yet man, this small part of your creation wishes to praise you. You rouse him to take joy in praising you, for you have made us for yourself alone O God and our hearts are restless until they rest in You.”

[@johnholmes6667]

@@tonygibson6436 Converts are so inspiring to cradle Catholicsaa they know the Faith at its core and can ignore human weaknesses and erdirs

[@tiffanyjones3222]

👇🏼🚨👇🏼🚨👇🏼🚨👇🏼🚨👇🏼 THIS is what happened. Plain and simple. fatima.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/BT057-Alta-Vendita-2019-WEB2.pdf

[@dianeiaquinto2474]

Vatacan 11mass should be done away with the Latin mass is all about honoring GOD I am not a Judge mental person I do not Judge people I like going to mass honoring my father GOD AMEN🎄🎄🙏🙏🙏🙏♥️♥️🌈🌈🌈🌈

[@kittykittykittywhere]

I love the prayer of Saint Michael. That is a beautiful prayer to say at the end of the mass.

[@paxchristi2248]

Well, the evil Cdl. Cupich has now banned it and the Hail Mary from being said at the Mass.

[@kittykittykittywhere]

@@paxchristi2248 Oh, I'm really sorry to hear that. I went to a church 10 years ago, I believe, that it was said, there, after every mass. I wish all the hierarchy loved more well the church's thoughtfully written prayers and traditions, and would fight to keep the church in her splendor.

[@roberth.9558]

Thank you for this interview. God bless both of you.

[@Hope20249]

Interesting discussion. Thank you both. God bless.

[@marybiggers1910]

I am very impressed with your episodes. Thanks. I will donate soon.

[@Randomname8383]

Deo gratias for Monsignor Lefebvre. Because of him we have the mass of the Saints to this day, and the gold standard of how to approach resistance to a corrupt hierarchy

[@kathyg.5742]

Agreed! Archbishop Lefebvre pray for us! ✝️🌸

[@SS-en5uy]

what do you mean by 'mass of the Saints'?

[@catholiclife9304]

Praise be Jesus Christ for the church and Our Blessed Mother. .God you gave us all that we needed to make it into heaven. And you ask so little...I Thank you Jesus Christ for the Catholic Church. I'll never lose faith because it's about you...you never said it would be easy...you never said things would be perfect...they weren't perfect for you as you bled on the cross for my sins. .. Blessed Mother you watched your son be Crusified not because he sinned... because I sinned and my fellow brothers and sisters...I'm grateful for the timing and content of this video...But Jesus I'm going to keep my eyes on you and my goals towards heaven...I love you and I want to show my gratitude my going to mass and accepting your body the most Holy Eucharist into my body...the church is going through alot ...I'm not going to say anything that you Jesus don't already know ......Your in control and SATEN may have his hour but you JESUS will have your day!!!! In the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit.....Amen ..

[@mariecarpenter8871]

I was half raised before VTII. The Parable of the field where good seed was sown then an enemy sowed weeds overnight is applicable here. I think Father Longnecker has the right approach.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Reverence isn't restrictive.It's a guide for prayer and an offering to God.It prepares us for bigger things.

[@timfinneran5047]

If they disclosed the new Mass at V2 it would probably have been voted down. It seems like there was a significant “bait & switch” in how the new Mass was rolled out, all Latin removed, Gregorian chant removed bringing in the folk music, etc -- then Communion standing up on the tongue came in. then communion on the hand came (standing of course) came in….. Seems now that the Mass TLM / Pre V2 is pretty much “non recognizable” from the current form of the Mass

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Living with Novus Ordo for 50 years should qualify as Purgatory.

[@michellemcdermott2026]

I totally agree

[@leeshaffer9618]

I love all of your discussions even more than the movie. It is the type of discussion that all of us should be having about the Mass. I think we would see that we all want a more reverent liturgy.

[@josephcade3541]

The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph

[@nathaniellathy6559]

We already know what's prayed at Altar.Don't need to hear words during Consecration.Focus on Body and Blood elevated.Beautiful.

[@Johannes-bu6np]

Around 37 min. he talks about the 1950's mindset that Catholics clergy thought the Church needed "a living faith". That is almost line for line a condemned part of the Modernist heresy from Pius X's "Pacendi" written in 1907: 13. Dogma is not only able, but ought to evolve and to be changed. This is strongly affirmed by the Modernists, and clearly flows from their principles. For among the chief points of their teaching is the following, which they deduce from the principle of vital immanence, namely, that religious formulas if they are to be really religious and not merely intellectual speculations, ought to be living and to live the life of the religious sense. This is not to be understood to mean that these formulas, especially if merely imaginative, were to be invented for the religious sense. Their origin matters nothing, any more than their number or quality. What is necessary is that the religious sense - with some modification when needful - should vitally assimilate them. In other words, it is necessary that the primitive formula be accepted and sanctioned by the heart; and similarly the subsequent work from which are brought forth the .secondary formulas must proceed under the guidance of the heart. Hence it comes that these formulas, in order to be living, should be, and should remain, adapted to the faith and to him who believes. Wherefore, if for any reason this adaptation should cease to exist, they lose their first meaning and accordingly need to be changed. In view of the fact that the character and lot of dogmatic formulas are so unstable, it is no wonder that Modernists should regard them so lightly and in such open disrespect, and have no consideration or praise for anything but the religious sense and for the religious life. In this way, with consummate audacity, they criticize the Church, as having strayed from the true path by failing to distinguish between the religious and moral sense of formulas and their surface meaning, and by clinging vainly and tenaciously to meaningless formulas, while religion itself is allowed to go to ruin. “Blind’- they are, and “leaders of the blind” puffed up with the proud name of science, they have reached that pitch of folly at which they pervert the eternal concept of truth and the true meaning of religion; in introducing a new system in which “they are seen to be under the sway of a blind and unchecked passion for novelty, thinking not at all of finding some solid foundation of truth, but despising the holy and apostolic traditions, they embrace other and vain, futile, uncertain doctrines, unapproved by the Church, on which, in the height of their vanity, they think they can base and maintain truth itself.” www.papalencyclicals.net/pius10/p10pasce.htm St. Pius X - pray for us!

[@seanmetz6616]

I think that's his point, is that during the 1950's many priests and laity came to view the rituals as something legalistic and a punishment rather than working to understand the rituals as they truly are, and therefore to increase their love for them. You can't love what you don't know.

[@Johannes-bu6np]

@@seanmetz6616 Yes, he was making that point - but, he applauds their "intentions". The intentions of those clergy then were certainly more informed about modernism than in our own time (Pacendi was only about 40 years old). My point is, they should have known better, probably did, and didn't care to confront modernism in the least...

[@seanmetz6616]

@@Johannes-bu6np eh I say it might be a bit more challenging than that. Though with how quickly things devolved, it may be highly accurate. The primary focus of SC as it seems was to essentially reeducate those Catholics, professors, and laity who lost sense of the sacred and then adjust the rite just enough to draw them back in. Simply proper education of the Mass should have sufficed in my opinion, but that's outside my scope. I will be the first to admit the ending sections for the reformed liturgy rather confuse me since one particular statement references the creation of multiple rites being in conformity to the central focus of the Roman rite. No matter how many times I read it, it seems more of an approval to create new rites specifically geared towards newly discovered cultures with only minor changes to the actual Roman rite.. but then again I'm no theologian. I personally wonder if the new Mass was specially allowed by God to draw out the errors that were already festering in the hearts of many so that in the many years to follow, the Church would be renewed with a return to the TLM or a modified version. As always, pray for all involved as many souls have surely been lost because of the aftermath.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Great citation! You know your stuff. I think the very idea of an unchanging liturgy, and unchanging faith, strict rubrics that dictate down to where the priest has each hand at any given time is something anathema to Modernists as it stands in the face of their vital immanence of always wanting to change things around to the whims of what they’re feeling and actually makes external, objective demands upon them. It takes humility to realize that one can’t just tweak, edit, and adapt things around as they see it but to follow and actually learn from past wisdom.

[@demtron]

There is also a loss of continuity when the Pastor goes on vacation or retreat and you have a visiting priest fill in. Our church says the St. Michael prayer at the end of mass you can tell our vising priest does not approve of it but puts up with it. At another church in our area, they say three hail marys and the St. Michael prayer at the end of mass. (The vast majority of churches in our area only have one to two evening weekday masses so you need to travel between churches. The morning masses are poorly timed for anyone working.) We also have a priest that whispers the mass from the offertory on until the final blessing. No Microphone or it is turned off and turned back on later.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Worth driving long distances for SSPX Mass.

[@concernedcitizen780]

Worth driving many miles for any good traditional mass!

[@gtaylor178]

My Grandmother was from County Mayo Ireland, she had no education, her faith was very strong, she prayed the Rosary through parts of the Mass and very clearly understood she was at the foot of the Cross. She taught us the faith, she was a very prayerful lady. Some of these clergy statements are silly.

[@paulcarter996]

I definitely feel you emotionally. I would like to buy a home too, put down roots. Thankfully I’m blessed that we have FSSP in Baltimore, but there’s always that small fear in the pit of my stomach that they might be asked to leave for whatever reason. Pray and stay strong, keep doing what you’re doing with these videos!

[@bettypang4971]

You are doing an admirable job holding your position with this wonderfully eloquent and loquacious guest ! Thank you.

[@seanmetz6616]

Around the 50 min mark regarding the silent canon, I feel this is where catechesis would solve the problem. Simply knowing that this specific part of the liturgy, being where the sacrament comes about, is for the communication of the priest in persona Christi speaking privately with the Father during his agony. It is also carried on from the ancient Israelite practice of the priest going into the temple alone to offer the sacrifice to God for the good of the people. No one needs to hear it to know it's happening.. if they're catechized that is

[@connienewman968]

👍

[@MassoftheAges]

That's a good point. Ratzinger-Benedict said the Silent Canon should be implemented in tandem with catechesis regarding why.

[@seanmetz6616]

In keeping with the reference to Christ's agony in the garden, it's important to further remember that all but 3 apostles were left back and even Peter, James, and John who accompanied Christ further in were still not near him. As they fell asleep, they were admonished to stay awake while he prayed. This is a good reference to admonish the faithful to be silent and watch while Christ prays while working on our interior dispostion.. to stay vigilant for the bridegroom's coming

[@teresasnamesake4784]

I love your comment. One thing I especially love about a lesson that I was given regarding the Tridentine rite is that after the consecration, and after the priest genuflects and adores the Blessed Sacrament, the priest prays to Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

[@JulieAOK]

Thank you I did not know this.

[@rtyria]

Regarding silence in the Mass - when attending the NO I always ended up spending those brief moments of silence waiting for the priest to continue, because his pauses never seemed like an invitation for _us_ to pray silently. In the TLM when the priest is directed to pray in a quiet voice, that actually encourages us to pray silently and without being rushed because we know it's going to be a moment before Father begins praying out loud again. Also, one of the casualties of covid in one of the parishes my family regularly attended was that the pastor removed every one of those moments priests are directed to pause for silent prayer. They were removed in order to shorten the Mass and reduce opportunities for exposure, but it made the Mass seem indecently rushed. He meant well, but it didn't come off well.

[@MassoftheAges]

Very well put, Randolph!

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

@@RandolphCrane Well said. Any “silence” in the Novus Ordo is just an absence of sound, an unnatural and awkward pause, not an organic flow of prayers and rituals, some in hushed tones, others veiled beneath solemn silence.

[@debcotham489]

I am blessed to have been Baptized and make my First Communion in the Old Mass of the Ages! I still remember the PURE SHOCK at age 7 of being told by my parents at night prayers that the Holy Ghost is now the Holy Spirit and I remember my shocked reaction. I knew on a certain level that something was disturbing the Holy Catholic Church's teachings.

[@pearl1606]

How Vatican 2 could even consider changing the Mass of St Pope Pius V is utterly unfathomable. It, clearly, had no authority to do this. One understands (now) where the sedes are coming from.

[@josephcade3541]

The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph

[@albertito77]

We love you Fr L!

[@gatekeeper96740]

The NO mass has lead to the Vatican having Pachimama in the church and celebrating her there.

[@dawndimock]

Another easy, non combative intro to reverence could be the addition of the servers assisting the priest during distribution of the eucharist with the paten. This has been a HUGE and small first introduction to reform. We have had too many drops of the host in the last months with people trying not to touch each other etc. Having that paten present has been very impactful for encouraging respect of the sacrament.

[@KenDelloSandro7565]

The real problem is communion in the hand and laymen distributing the Most Holy Sacrament. That is one of the most offensive sacrilegious acts in Church history. If Catholics ( Priests/Bishops) truly Believed in the True Presence, that sacrilegious practice would be immediately ELIMINATED .

[@brandywineblue]

@@KenDelloSandro7565 BINGO. And bring back altar rails, or at least set out a couple of prie dieux. The church had it all figured out for centuries until the hippy dippies decided we have to re invent the wheel a few decades ago. When coummunicants kneel, tip their head back, and put their tongues flat out, the distance the Host has to travel from the ciborium to the tongue is minimized. Also Father's hand remains in the position most natural for placing the Host on the tongue without fumbling nor touching anyone's tongue or face. The most ridiculous thing I ever saw personally at a NO (as opposed to horrors posted to social media) was a vertically challenged priest trying to give Holy Communion to a 6 foot tall woman (not counting her 6 inch platform heels she was wearing) who either insisted on standing for communion on the tongue, or else felt she *had* to because the ugly church in the round had no altar rails nor provided prie dieux for the wedding. She bent backwards and all the way over to her right to try to lower her head but now her tongue was perpendicular to the floor instead of parallel 🤦‍♀️🙄😲😦😑😔😓😪😥😰😱

[@kittyblaine7917]

@@KenDelloSandro7565 I agree 1000000%!!!!!.....I live in the Deep South and I cringe when I see everyone going up and receiving in their hands...fumbling around...dropping the host and most definitely crumbs...I had to wait till Mass was over to receive on the tongue and now I have to get at the end of the line...which I am happy to do as long as I receive on the tongue. I wish I could kneel but I am an old lady with bad knees and would not be able to stand back up... there are no Communion rails in the entire state and many ppl don’t even know what they are...

[@VenturaRon]

A good discussion with a non-traditional priest. Pray God he keeps learning to appreciate the traditional liturgy.

[@debrasaints3809]

Yes! Father, what you say at about 38 minutes into this talk about the modern theology after Vatican 11 being “I’m okay, you’re okay” is so true! I’ve been thinking that myself. I am 65 and where I lived this type of liberal pyscho babble started taking place around 1970. I was in a young ladies social club and was fortunate enough to attend Latin mass with my friends until 1971. We had to go to the “poorer” side of town to small traditional Catholic parishes. Unfortunately by 1973 the alters no longer faced ad orientum and most latin was removed from the mass. Fortunately we still had communion on the tongue with patens used and kneeling. Veiling was still done. Mass was still reverent.

[@Johannes-bu6np]

Also, very disappointed that the objective differences in the content between the two rites was not explored more in depth, i.e. the scrapping or dramatic changes to the orations, the change in the Offertory, the difference between the Canon of the Mass and the Eucharistic prayers. These changes in the main prayers of the Mass are dramatic between the two rites,. But, this interview focused more on how to make the new Mass more traditional - shouldn't that start with comparing the differences between the content of the prayers?

[@rahabrice6890]

Agreed! Dr. Peter Kwasniewski puts it well in his book Reclaiming Our Roman Catholic Birthright: The Genius and Timeliness of the Traditional Latin Mass: “One must not evade the deeper questions forever. However pleasant to people of taste, the “Oratorian solution”- “doing up” the Novus Ordo to make it as much like the Tridentine rite as possible-is desperately temporizing. The vast majority of the most significant differences between the two “forms” of the Roman rite (in reality, two different rites) are not cosmetic, but muscular and skeletal, built into their texts and rubrics. To use an analogy, it is a problem not for a plastic surgeon but for a doctor of internal medicine.” (p.226)

[@Johannes-bu6np]

@@rahabrice6890 I really like Dr. K - he is definitely an expert on this.

[@rtyria]

Fr. Longenecker would be the wrong person to have that conversation with, as he said in the beginning he does not say the TLM and is not an expert. That would be a great topic for another guest however. Perhaps next time.

[@paxchristi2248]

@@rahabrice6890 Wow. That hits the nail on the head. Well done.

[@MassoftheAges]

That's a good idea for a future episode! Going step by step through the Missals.

[@mmont]

Thank you, Father, for expressing so clearly the core problem driving the liturgical crisis. We have lost our understanding and belief in the incarnation, passion, death, resurrection of Christ and the forgiveness of our sins. We no longer believe in the necessity of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God for our salvation. Let us pray, pray, pray!

[@benjaminhall560]

Excellent argument for the TLM. Much as I respect Father Longenecker, he didn't give a convincing argument for the Novus Ordo. He couldn't deny the open-endedness of the new Mass, allowing innovations and abuses to be imposed by priests at their whim.

[@commercialrealestatephilos605]

31:10 spot on Father! Modernists don’t like the sacrifice of the mass to make way for the dismissal of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 🎯

[@lmtt123]

He's quoting Pope Benedict in Spirit of the Liturgy

[@smrtlx]

I am reading Peter Kwasniewski's excellent book "Reclaiming Our Roman Catholic Birthright: Genius & Timeliness of the TLM". Chapter 16 entitled 'Should We Move Past the Liturgy Debates?' explains that even a reverent traditional-like NO will never be the same as a TLM because they are very different rites -- texts and rubrics are different as evidenced by the liturgical readings and Saints of the Day. How can the TLM (assisted by the likes of St Francis of Assisi, St Charles Borromeo, St Ignatius, St Teresa of Avila, St Therese de Lisieux, etc) celebrated for almost 15 centuries need any tweaking or major overhaul was really questionable.

[@wallamboklahong9125]

You are Right, I am with you. I love TLM than in NO, it's completely Chaotic n protestanism no reverent to God in the Tabernacle, hopeless.

[@lmtt123]

That's interesting because that's heresy

[@rudymatheson1415]

@@lmtt123 how?

[@nataliekline6044]

@@lmtt123 Kwasniewski is correct. The TLM is a different rite than the NO. The NO is nearly a duplicate of Cranmer’s mass. If there’s a hermeneutic of continuity, it is with the English’s Protestants. A comparison chart can be viewed; search a comparison of TLM, Cranmer’s mass, and mass of Paul VI. If the NO is the same, then those English martyrs who held fast to the mass and rejected Cranmer’s died for nothing

[@josephcade3541]

The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph The Vatican 2 documents explained : Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only: 1) Indifferentism 2) Syncretism and Synthesis 3) Immanent 4) Transcendentalism 5) Individualism 6) Existentialism, naturalism 7) Stoicism 8) Pantheism 9) Evolution 10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic… If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical “ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life. As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!! Then what are we to do you ask ? If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!! What do we do then ? what did she say to do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!! What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!! But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!! P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them. God Love You Joseph

[@thedon978]

Cardinal Gagnon said, when I suggested a Vatican III to clarify Vatican II, “Absolutely not! Why would you give those scoundrels a second chance to destroy what they missed (destroying) the first time (at Vatican II)?!

[@nathaniellathy6559]

One Priest said "the only way there will be Vatican 3 if I'm Pope." 😆

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Yeah, no way in hell would I trust this current crop of bishops to be “council fathers.” Unfortunately, this 3-year synod on synodality now kicking off is essentially a quiet de facto Vatican III.

[@johnholmes6667]

The Synod on Synodality is a stealthy approach to bringing on the Vatican III that you feared: priestesses; Jame Martin suggests “married” priests- his idea is priest + priest- homosexuals! The Ten Suggestions as the pope said the Commandments are not absolute!

[@johnholmes6667]

@@jefffinkbonner9551 Drain the Swamp!! Divine intervention or vigil action?

[@waltjones40]

As another Anglican, I have to say the differences between the NO and Episcopal/Anglican is almost none. We still kneel at the altar to receive communion.

[@nataliekline6044]

That was the whole purpose; Protestantism cstholicism

[@michaeldiveley4203]

In 67 years I have never prayed a Rosary during Mass, I use the hand missal

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Good we have silence in Latin Mass, making it easier to pray.

[@michellemcdermott2026]

I use the missal too. I love it

[@borichamo]

A very valuable resource thank you

[@barbaraoswald5640]

I really enjoyed your discussion. It was on target with problems of and possible solutions! to both types of Masses. I would like to interject that part of the problem is that not all priests believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. The essence of this reality, that exist beyond the physical world and our immediate senses, needs to be our main focus. Deep prayer and contemplation on the Truth of Jesus Christ, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit will bring us to the feet of Our Father. Then, all else will fall in place as it is - all things come from the Father.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Table Altar makes no sense.High Altar looks better keeps Blessed Sacrament in prominent place.

[@timclancy871]

If Pope Francis's restrictions take force, a reverent Novus Ordo mass may be the only practical way forward, particularly for younger priests who may not be able to get permission from their bishop or from Rome to say the traditional mass. Father Longenecker gives some great insights as to what this may look like and how the new mass may be said in a reverent way which emphasizes the sacrificial theology of the mass and maintains continuity with the traditional form.

[@lmtt123]

I agree but Traddies are an exclusive club now and are more interested in the movement than the Mass itself.

[@frankperrella1202]

I love the TLM Mass🙏🛐🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic" We have many people becoming Sedevanctist because of Liberalism" My friend was ex Greek Orthodox converted & Love's the TLM 🙏🛐🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic

[@zoo22u]

I guess the "benefit" of the NO is that the abuses are so dramatic that it is easy to spot them.

[@erikriza7165]

the old rules may have been too restrictive, but look what happened without them?!!?

[@philcortens5214]

If what Fr. Longenecker is saying priests thought in the 1950s is true why weren't they catechizing the faithful properly and accordingly? That's what the SSPX is doing today. Deo gratias or we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[@monty2020-i5d]

3 characteristics of The New Mass/ Lutheranism 1. Denial of the supernatural 2. Evolution of dogma; that dogma evolves 3. That the basis of religion is one’s personal experience with God = focus on us. Why priests face the people. All Protestantism.

[@bluschke52]

The NO didn't bring anyone closer to Jesus. When I was a child i received my first communion kneeling and on the tongue and then the changes. Overnight our reverent Mass was being destroyed. People came to church in shorts, flip flops, cleavage showing, mini skirts and people chatted in church, came late left early and a lot stopped going.

[@demtron]

In one church in our area, we have lay ministers and servers with too much cleavage showing. Since COVID in many churches, the servers are wearing only their street clothes. Luckily in my main parish, the Pastor has heard of washing machines, and the servers still wear robes. I do miss the days of the surplice worn over the cassock for servers. The robes today are generally white and are somewhat sheer allowing the street clothes to show through, and never seem to hang right. To me, it looks messy.

[@rtyria]

My first Communion class was required to receive in the hand only (bullied, actually) because our bishop at the time felt that not enough people in the parish were taking advantage of the Communion Indult. We were taught that the Eucharist was bread, that Jesus was in the community and other such nonsense. By the time I was a preteen there was a dramatic drop in Mass attendance. By the time I was in high school there were next to no other teens at Mass. By the time I was in college they were talking about closing the parish. This is the legacy of the new Mass. I don't think it can be separated from its history.

[@bluschke52]

@@rtyria It's very sad.

[@demtron]

@@rtyria Communion in the hands has nothing to do with the Novos ordo mass nor Vatican II. It is something that the US Bishops demanded and got. If you ever go to Church outside the USA you will see that Communion in the hand is not an option especially in Rome.

[@rtyria]

@@demtron The Communion Indult was permitted (mandated) in over 30 countries and the entire African continent beginning in 1969 and quickly became inseparable from the NO. Italy happens to be one of the very few places not on the list (you can find it easily by searching online). The NO was also promulgated in 1969. I remain convinced that without the one there wouldn't be the other.

[@tradcatholic]

What would happen if Jesus were as scared as some priests. How would Catholics ever LEARN?

[@ninovitale8160]

I am confused why this priest was chosen for this channel and interview. He does not and refuses to do The Mass of the Ages.

[@MassoftheAges]

Hey Nino! Because we can disagree peacefully. I'd like to have opposing viewpoints represented on the channel from time to time.

[@BrianBenson-rc9mu]

A book written by Fr. Anthony Cekada called "Work of Human Hands'' is worth reading. He also has some short videos on youtube that are very helpful.

[@AustinoM]

I think Cameron is an excelelnt filmmaker; I love the Mass of the Ages series. However, he seemed a bit tone deaf in this interview. For instance, in the "What About Ordinary Catholics" section (beginning 47:13), Fr. Longenecker emphasizes that changes to the mass must be done gradually and with good catechesis in order to be pastoral (which is very much in keeping with Sacrosanctum Concilium). And yet immediately after saying this, Cameron reads a comment from a viewer who says that a bishop ordered that all the parishes in the diocese switch to ad orientem worship and he approves of it as being "legit." I'm not sure whether he realized that he was disagreeing with Fr. Longenecker in that moment, but it was a stark contrast wherein Fr. Longenecker advises caution and patience and Cameron immediately praises what seems to be a heavy-handed measure by a bishop. I would refer viewers to a recent discussion between Matt Fradd and Rev. Calvin Robinson. Several times in that discussion Calvin says things to which Matt immediately, clearly, and calmly disagrees with (and vice versa), and they have a really clear and fruitful conversation because of it. It would have been nice for Cameron to clearly emphasize his disagreement and give Fr. Longenecker an opportunity to dig into the disagreement, rather than listen to him, seem to disagree with what he is saying but perhaps without realizing this, and then moving on to the next point.

[@dawidtrybula]

What about changing the words of bishop’s consecration in 1968? You are focusing on Mass of Ages but can you tell us what has NOT been changed in catholic church. The new religion has been created after V2. Even some protestants are using NOM which tells you it is not catholic anymore.

[@ChileExpatFamily]

I always found Fr longenecker to be anti Latin Mass when I knew him in SC. We were fighting for The Church and tradition and he was always willing to poo poo our efforts. I am surprised you interviewed him for a traditional Mass video. Jim

[@biggatorcaesar]

please, with all due respect, The Latin Mass is not the "Extraordinary" form of Mass. that falsely implies that it and the new mass are different forms of the same Mass! their not!

[@Nefertum1000]

Hello Cameron, congratulation on all that you and your team is doing in showing the world the beauty of tradition with the TLM, keep up the good work. ( looking forward for Episode II) Towards the end of last year a fellow Catholic asked me if I wanted to attend the Ordinariate mass. I was a bit puzzled because I had never heard of that type of mass and was curious to what it was. Well, in my opinion, it was like a hybrid between a TLM, ( as it was done Ad Orientem) a little protestant ( the Gospel reading was done in the Nave) don't get me wrong it was beautiful with the incense and candles but it was neither TLM or NO. The priest were ordained but they had children. Since they didn't have their own parish, the Ordinariate mass uses Catholic parishes once to twice a month to offer the mass. They attract a very nice group of its congregation but with further exploring the base, they were mostly from different Christian denomination. I'm a cradle Catholic so it felt a bit odd receiving the Eucharist from someone whom is married and has their children and wife attend the mass too. Its good in a lot of ways but I'm not accustom to it, still love the TLM. Sending this out cause Fr. Longenecker reminds me of the priest and I guess the psychology or character of the Ordinariate mass.

[@virginian3868]

Jesus loves Fr Dwight Longenecker! He is blazing a trail! I love the Latin mass as well

[@artsiecrafty4164]

The St. Michael’s prayer at the end of mass has now been forbidden by a bishop in Chicago. I guess he’s one of the other kinds of Catholics.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Along with Latin Mass officialdom shirts and caps, there really are St Michael prayer Bumper Stickers.I have one!

[@digimom82]

Ther NEW mass is just like the Episcopal service!!!! Watch one on YT and you will see how they are exactly the same. Very sad actually. I am TLM goer for 18 mos now. Rare visits tip NO and I find it 'empty' when I go.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

I'm a convert from the Episcopal Church. You are correct, the new Mass is word for word the Episcopal service. When I converted I assumed the Episcopal church had copied the Catholic. Turns out it was the other way around. I've tried to talk to priests about this (who don't have exposure to the episcopal service) but I don't think they exactly understand.

[@rtyria]

My husband is a convert from Lutheranism and that's exactly what he said too.

[@angelamalek]

Minus the music🤮

[@timfinneran5047]

Father - aid love to attend Mass at your parish… sounds great

[@JulieAOK]

At 23:41 If priests before V2 found the precise rubrics restrictive and they became mechanistic in their celebration of the Mass, it was the fault of the priest and not the rubrics. And the Mass at Clear Creek Abbey is the most exquisitely beautiful Mass one could ever hope to hear in its perfect precision and reverence. I want my priests to be precise and mortified. If I want creativity and improvisation, I’ll watch standup comedy.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Some Priests think they are comedians

[@lmtt123]

Clear Creek Abbey follows Vatican Two. If it didn't it would be closed. A priest can abuse the TLM as well as the NO.

[@power4350]

The Mass versus populum creates the temptation for the priest to become a toastmaster.

[@choreomaniac]

I would like a future episode to explore the reception of the Novus Ordo and the early fights to retain the Mass of the Ages. I believe it was vastly different from diocese to diocese and country to country. Some places for dispensations to retain the prior missal while other bishops immediately banned everything except the NO, removed the statues, choirs, stripped the altars etc. What did people in, say, 1980 NYC have as an option for Latin mass? What was there other than SSPX?

[@harmonygordon6901]

This Priest acts like if every Parish went Ad Orientum the sheep would be shocked. I disagree I think people would instinctively * GET IT * .

[@mazkanata8259]

What can someone do if they don’t have a Latin Mass or a reverent NO mass nearby?

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Drive

[@well_weathered]

There is no longer stability. For Longenecker, it's been a minute since we have been to Greenville? How things have changed. Where are you now on this subject, pray tell. 🙏🏼

[@delimafaigl2682]

So true. the Holy Mass is a reenacted sacrifice. For our benefit and growth.

[@mamachenault1471]

What a great video. It answered so many of the questions I have that I have been unable to formulate. Now I understand more why each NO parish celebrates Mass a little differently, due to, and I quote, the "openendedness, ambiguity and flexiblility" which are allowed by Sacrosanctum Concilium. I have been made aware of how the belief in the Incarnation, sacrifice and death of Our Lord has changed because the Mass as sacrifice, has been "renewed" into the Mass as a gathering of community.

[@paxchristi2248]

To the detriment of the Faithful.

[@mamachenault1471]

@@paxchristi2248 Yes. This is perhaps the answer to, "Why do so few Catholics believe in the True Presence?" Detriment, indeed.

[@angelamalek]

I dream that one day I can travel anywhere in the world and the Masses are said reverently.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Father Hesse said viewing both rites as good with a preference toward Latin means Latin Mass should be celebrated in a museum.Keep Latin Mass in Sanctuary.

[@christineOfs]

Novus Ordo does make performers that's for sure. It is HORRIBLE! Don't forget after a while lookiing at the audience, the human aspect kicks in always. Don't forget the focus is on the Priest, and he should shrink, so that our hearts and minds are ALL ON GOD!

[@elsbethsutherland624]

In more than 50 years, I have only ever seen one Mass that was offered according to the Vatican II mandate ! No wonder ordinary modern Catholics don’t know what the Mass is supposed to be!

[@lourdesmanalac143]

Can I attend TRADITIONAL MASS ON- LINE english version? Where & when I mean,?

[@traddymom4368]

I disagree with this priest in many areas that he defended. I pray he is inspired to celebrate the Latin Rite. Mater Dolorosa, ora pro nobis.

[@roseannenorman7129]

I wish all priests found the Latin Mass. It's so rich, powerful, amazing.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

TLM should be imposed on the Priests

[@freerunning2Him]

My TLM husband to be sent this to me (a evangelical, fundamentalist who has come home to the Catholic Church) saying, "This guy being interviewed sounds like you." yep. I agree so so so much. Thank you!

[@teresasnamesake4784]

I accept the Novus Ordo Mass as a valid Mass. I attend the Novus Ordo Mass during the week and on Sunday. We have very devout priests at our parish who offer the Novus Ordo Mass. (Not ad orientum) we do not have an altar rail. I hear what you are saying about the respect for liturgy and of offering a respectful Novus Ordo Mass. I lived through the 60s and 70s as a child and (shudder) teenager. My question is why? Why? What purpose does the Novus Ordo rite serve? I agree with the idea of seminarians learning the Tridentine rite of the Mass. Perhaps the seminarians will ask themselves: why was the Mass changed? There should be a reason for each change that was made to the Mass---- every movement if the priest and every word has a reason. The Novus Ordo Mass does not "teach" anything by the changes in the prayers and the actions of the priest except perhaps that we needn't worry so much about our sins and our sinfulness, and that the Blessed Sacrament actually doesn't need to be treated as God.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Must be painful to suffer through Novus Ordo each week

[@lmtt123]

@@nathaniellathy6559 you are quite a nasty person. The TLM doesn't seem to be changing your attitude to others

[@Smackyjack440]

Fr. Longenecker installed Alter rails and Ad Orenteum. I can appreciate that.

[@jacoba7275]

Dwight finds Latin Mass rules "too restrictive." Just another modernist in conservative clothing. Good thing Mozart didn't find the rules of music too restrictive.

[@youtubecharlie1]

My thoughts too

[@kevinkenney5228]

I can never keep up with the Latin phrases. What is Ad Orientam? Facing the people’s or away?

[@oldcait6886]

Ty! I'm 81 it's so awesome to hear "Vatican II" & the 'Novus Ordo' discussed rationally... Sans implicit Claims, 'If It ain't Latin, It ain't Licit'... (Although I'm sorta rabid on Ad Orientum for the strictly Human Rational... Because when the priest faces the Laity, he instinctively becomes an entertainer, not leading us & Offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, to our Father in Heaven...

[@oledocfarmer]

The people praying the Rosary at Holy Mass know exactly what they’re doing AND what the priest is doing. They’re standing with Holy Mary at Calvary! The more rubrics the more the personality of the priest disappears. THAT is what bothers a lot of priests! Some priests forget that they’re only instruments, it’s Christ actually offering Holy Mass. If one only practices his religion at Holy Mass on Sunday, then he’s already in trouble. We also have to pray, study Holy Scripture, study the Holy Fathers…..on our own time! St Padre Pio thought that this emphasis/obsession on active “lay participation” was a fool’s errand. St Teresa prob couldn’t understand everything being said at Holy Mass or in the Divine Office…but I’m sure participated intensely INTERIORLY. And why does the laity need to understand everything anyway? The prayers of the Holy Mass are directed to Almighty God, not to US!

[@seanmetz6616]

Regarding "active participation"... it's primarily a focus of interior involvement and then the exterior actions and few responses, gloria, kyrie etc. The issue (from an observational point of view) is that many Catholics could care less to look at a missal to see what the priest is doing simply to understand the theological significance of everything. Whereas they take the approach of "if I don't know what he's saying, I can't participate." The simple solution is for people to be better catechized to understand the Mass in generalizations so that they better interiorly participate properly (from a penitential heart, seek mercy, offer thanksgiving, PRIVATE intentions, and silent adoration). Really one doesnt NEED to know what the priest is doing, but I find it helpful in understanding the significance of everything which in term emphasizes the significance of the priesthood.

[@oledocfarmer]

@@seanmetz6616 I agree….the approach is inverted. Folks need a general understanding FIRST…they can then go deeper as they are called. Before the Council, most people couldn’t understand every word said at Holy Mass, but almost all knew what the Holy Mass IS. Now we can understand everything….but the vast majority have no idea what the Holy Mass is.

[@maggiesace389]

Couldnt make me not love TLM! Cant force me to even like novus order.

[@Mia-dj1dt]

I didn’t leave the Church, the Church left me.

[@erikriza7165]

"priest's personality" You nailed it.

[@mariekelly4774]

The priest and the people are facing the east as it should be

[@felesamabilis]

I know many people who DON'T go to TLM exactly and only because of the silent canon, the exact oposite of what you said

[@paxchristi2248]

What are these people used to in the Mass?

[@felesamabilis]

@@paxchristi2248 a Canon which they can hear

[@nathaniellathy6559]

If they focus on altar and Consecration it's hard to imagine anything better than silent Canon

[@nicolejenkins2609]

I almost brought my Mom to your church when I went to Rock Hill a few weeks back. Now sorry we didn't make it. Mom is lapsed, pray for her.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

I disagree with the hosts idea that the Latin Mass even needs to change. Why have the prayers directed at the people in the vernacular? “Dominus vobiscum” isn’t that hard to learn. And the priest almost always reads the epistle and gospel in the vernacular before his sermon anyways. Besides, this crisis in the church is so pervasive, deep, and long-lasting that Modernism basically infects everything, so I honestly don’t trust anyone to take their red flare pens to the Missale Romanum for a least a hundred years or two or three. Maybe the best thing we can do is to have the humility to concede that we are not worthy to touch the sacred liturgy, that we should not dare to presume that we have anything to offer the Tradition other than to preserve what was lost. We don’t need to leave a generational imprint on the liturgy. Besides, future generations aren’t going to thank us for vernacular readings or think very highly of us anyways seeing as we’re the ones on whose watch a billion babies were aborted.

[@markredman9173]

Father claims that Novus Ordo priests have options to : Latin, ad Orientem, etc. Not true . Many bishops will not allow the New Mass to be offered ad Orientem or in Latin.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Ignore Bishop or join Traditional Order

[@markredman9173]

@@nathaniellathy6559 A few years ago I attended a Novus Ordo Parish where the priest switched over to ad Orientem. A new Bishop arrived and expressed his displeasure. Our priest kept it up since he established the practice before the bishop’s appointment. Then, out of the blue, an anonymous phone call was made to the chancellery accusing the priest of abuse 24 years earlier. The priest was removed, never to be seen again.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

@@markredman9173 Yikes! That's extreme.Sounds like the mob at work.

[@aadesan]

Restrictions has its reasons. Every part of the rubrics has its reason and meaning. Trimming "non essentials" brings confusion.

[@lmtt123]

I can immediately tell a convert priest by his body language, especially at Mass. The sermon will definitely give it away and always contains protestant ideas. I am always wary taking advice from a convert priest because their whole formation as a child was non Catholic.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Church shopping is essential

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Ugly Baptismal Font.Simple Jackhammer

[@nathaniellathy6559]

Hold Latin Masses training classes.Even classes on praying in Latin.Those have been popular in Novus Ordo Parishes.