Master Kim.performing Haidong Gumdo Forms 1 - 11

[@davidcohen2555]

I have studied Kumdo for many years as well as numerous other Martial Arts. I have had the pleasure to work with Masters of many different forms from around the world. It saddens me to see comments on here that do not reflect the attitudes and teachings of all of these wonderful people. A good student of ANY art is open to any and all techniques. An individual can learn a great many things with an open mind. For those of you who have closed your minds, you can not be taught how to be a good martial artist OR a good person. To you I say, be well and good luck. To my Kumdo friends, I say Haidong.

[@jamescordial2276]

Thank you and well said, David! HAIDONG!! From beautiful Korea!

[@DaKidwon]

I have met master Kim and I do gum do also

[@dragonprince4159]

haha it's Grand Master Kim

[@silviomhula5837]

HAIDONG!

[@waywardwolf3806]

How dare everybody bash on Korea? Or even anything for that matter? This master has taken time to learn this beautiful art. I am actually trying to learn it too. Just because it does not fit with today's world doesn't mean it is useless! It just makes it that much more valuable! Anyone who might say they copied it, so what? Aren't we all here to look on this beautiful art, or just to bash people? I rest my case.

[@silviomhula5837]

Wayward Wolf in my view all martial art is never obsolete, it teaches you persistence and strengthens your body and spirit.

[@loneronin6813]

@@silviomhula5837 Well said by both of you! :D All martial arts have their purpose and deserve respect for all that they can provide and add to our lives. I'm hoping to learn either Haidong Gumdo or Iaido, depending on what my body can handle. I'm 27, but I've been physically disabled for about five years now despite treatments and physical therapy, so I'm looking to get into the sword arts. Based on the forms I have seen so far, Haidong Gumdo looks easier on the body than Iaido. (Especially since I have back problems and my right knee is starting to be another problem as a result of being diagnosed with TD.) One thing I'm a bit worried about with Haidong Gumdo is that the jumps and the crouching seem like they could cause problems for me, although the crouching I could probably still handle to a degree. I'm actually moving to a new state soon and they happen to have Iaido and Haidong Gumdo schools in the area I'm moving to, although it will be a while before I can become a student as I still am doing all I can to get together the money I need to do so. All of that being said, if anyone can advise me on whether to choose Iaido or Haidong Gumdo given my previously described health issues, I would greatly appreciate any and all help or perspective that you guys might have. Thank you all in advance, and sorry about the really long comment. :)

[@blacklotus5364]

I have studied HK in Korea and it isn't given a fair treatment at all - the version in Europe doesn't come close. It's a deep and beautiful art that is as much rooted in what we would in the west think of as buddhist and platonic thought and meditation and reflection as it is in the sword forms that most people say Korea 'copied' from Japan... They were fucking invaded and occupied by Japan for over 100 years and all traditional Korean arts were outlawed and all buildings knocked down. They were literally forced to adopt these forms and build a new martial art from what they were given, which they did by drawing on traditional forms. For the record my Master has taught some experienced Bushido and Kendo practitioners from Japan who refused to use real swords and wanted to learn from a DVD instead. These guys were blackbelts. Feel free to message me with any questions if you're learning - I'm kinda a rogue apprentice at the moment but still very much in touch with the masters in Seoul. Covid-19 stopped everything and forced me to come back to England! But it's good to see fellow people take up this art. [Edit, just noticed that this was from 4 years ago. I hope you kept with it, and if anyone else gets this message, the same applies. get in touch]

[@therealrobotapocalypse]

Two and a half years studying Gumdo and it's history, despite historical embellishments and marketing contrivances, Gumdo has a lot to offer and of the various arts I've studied it's one of the ones I love the most. Koguryo (ancient Korea) was located between China and Japan, it was once a vassal state of China and later occupied by Japan, it was surely influenced by and likely influenced both of these countries/cultures in various ways; as is evident in their martial arts and sword making. I have humorously mused that Haidong Gumdo is doing Chinese things with Japanese swords (a cursory exam of movement and materials), but a thorough study of what limited history is available and you'll see that it isnt so simple. Metal working techniques which Koreans learned from the Chinese may have influenced Japanese weapon making, and while Korea underwent a Confucian cultural reform which shunned warfare and weaponmaking, the Japanese further developed their warrior class and equipment; arriving at the Samurai and the Katana while Koreas martial arts and warrior class declined. During the later Japanese occupation, Koreans would become acquainted (reacquainted) with various Japanese sword arts which likely influenced Korean arts such as Shim Gum Do. Shim Gum Do and Gicheonmun were two arts that helped shape Haidong Gumdo. I dont know that any of it was handed down by a long line mystical monks or cultivated by a historically absent warrior elite; but what I do know is that Haidong Gumdo is an effective functional martial art with one hell of a following! As a parting thought, all martial arts were eclectic, born of enlightment, experience, insects and animal observations, or instructed by otherworldy bird men (Tengu)?! anyone, anyone?...in any case over time these arts evolved, many inspire, influence, and replicate others. Haidong Gumdo is one such evolution, it inspires me, and I LOVE IT!.

[@loneronin6813]

This was a delightful and informative comment to read! :D While I don't claim to be any kind of accurate historian on the matter, I always felt it logical to assume that with the connections and interactions between China, Korea, and Japan there was bound to be some cross-pollination so to speak in regards to their martial culture. From that, it just makes sense to me that their weapons-making techniques and designs would be reminiscent of one another as well.

[@blacklotus5364]

[@nattlokja993]

Perfectly surmised and with respect to all cultures included, what a great comment! I hope the art is continuing to inspire you as it has so inspired me!

[@bearpath100]

I like the format of Kumdo. Very easy to latch onto. I don't care about the history, I care about its ease of use for my students. As to the video, all I see is a competent martial artist. Executing technique power and control.

[@TheJosefoChannel]

I used to practice Haidong Gumdo a looooong time ago, when I was maybe 10 yo, and it was one of the first ways i found to "meditate" and being in contact with myself. Can't be more gratefull with this sport. Amazing how I still remember perfectly all the forms, and still have the same feeling.

[@edencheng4838]

omg was watching some kumdo videos and came across this. this is actually my dojang lmao

[@donttry5137]

Wayward I agree. It is an art. You don't throw away the Mona Lisa bc it's painted with the paint brush but yet we now have computer to do the same thing... if that makes sense. We are all working on Haidong Gum after class now, learning to incorporate this beautiful Korean Art into our sword curriculum. I hate when people bash Korean Arts. They are some of the best. I'll stick with my argument that Korean Arts have been around longer than believed. Guess people don't know history and the fact that Japan almost wiped out any trace of the Korean Culture.

[@SwordPlay2]

Thank you for standing up for Gumdo, I honestly don't care if it was created in the 1800's or in 1980's, its a fantastic martial art.

[@ctacartesmarciais]

Thanks Master Kim, Haedong!!!

[@silviomhula5837]

Still beautiful and inspiring thank you for sharing.

[@SwordPlay2]

Kendo is very heavily focused on sparring forms. Its an offshoot of Kenjutsu, Iaido being another offshoot that focuses on drawing forms/patterns. Haidong Gumdo is more focused on form and technique through the use of long and short patterns - based on battlefield tactics. The majority of Kendo kata’s normally involve 2 practitioners, Gumdo’s patterns involve only 1 practitioner are more like doing KungFu or TaeKwonDo patterns (meaning that you use a lot of the floor, change direction etc)

[@primativjoe]

It's interesting that this video has caused such a barrage of negative response some of which i have deleted however the views just keep climbing so i gather there are people that do appreciate his fine swordsmanship out there. I have been involved with Martial Arts for over 35 years now and I now think that it doesn't matter what a person does its how they do it that counts. So whether this is japanese korean chinese origin is not the point he's just beautiful to watch.

[@danaedutainer9024]

Canadian subscribers are learning well. Thank you😁

[@Cornoxtang]

Korean does intimate Chinese Martial and Japanese Martial with my past and current practice of KIndo Sword and Chinese Sword, but it have unique requirement on precision and speed ..... Kindo on Strike speed and power- more stringent and heavy handed . Chinese straight sword ( double blade I mean, not broad sword ) on counter attack with different angle and different parts of sword - fight with own's swordsman's characters. Gumdo and Chinese Sword now I still practice because they allow personal essence on the forms - event taught by same teacher once you are ok with the basic . Korean Sword does keep change at a fast speed and keep add up interesting moves - so they are on it own path . I practice martial arts weapon is because mentality, body coordination, strategy thinking and innovating my own self with so many discoveries that was created by the smartest person , usually the best swordman at different time and space . It will save my time by make use and pick on something useful. All the stance, hand move are very relative to the weapon character . It would be a mistake to use the same skill on different swords. There is no best weapon or technique and the succeed depend one one's handwork, own talents and experience, and what he /her master to cultivate one's skill and show him a good path ......the path is then all on him/her. Remember , no one can succeed all the time , you always finally get beaten . The point is whether you improve or win back as martial art is not fighting for live , just enjoy the process of whatever weapon that you have good feeling with.

[@ribs1]

Hello, I have begun practicing Gumdo here in the US. This guy is one of the best swordsman I've seen. Who is he? Do you have more info about him? Is he related to Grand Master Jeong Ho Kim? Thank you

[@primativjoe]

his name C K Kim his father owned a school in seoul. he came to australia and came to my boxing club and offered to teach me sword. i studied for a year and went to seoul to my back belt and met grand master jeong ho kim but dont think they are related.

[@SwordPlay2]

Then there is the sword techniques themselves which is the biggest difference. In Haidoing Gumdo when you swing the sword the entire back of the sword touches your back before bringing it forward for the cut. In Kenjutsu (kendo/iaido) the sword is held over the head with the length of the sword (more or less) holding parallel to the ground. Wooden practice swords are used in both, the same style is used in both.

[@thebrianpaige]

A few minor stylistic differences from the school i attend, but overall quite similar. Would love to see his shimsang (12), or yedo (13). His control and balance in these beginning forms is very nice.

[@Mai57]

I've been practicing Gumdo now for about a year. I was feeling really good about myself for learning the first 4 forms... Then I watched this video and saw the roll coming up in the next form... So glad I don't practice with a live blade... Otherwise I'd be *REALLY* worried about my classes next week... 😰

[@primativjoe]

You will be fine enjoy the journey 🙌

[@Mai57]

Thanks! :D

[@blacklotus5364]

It's normal to use a blunted blade until you're a Master, hope you carried on with it :)

[@Mai57]

@@blacklotus5364 Yeah I've kept up with it. I moved recently so I'm not attending that class at the moment, but I still practice what I've learned so far on my own.

[@primativjoe]

I don't care really I have studied all sorts of martial arts including 30 years karate. I am now a professional boxing coach and I teach sword and other martial arts to broaden a students horizon or privately if they ask for it. I like Gumdo because it is pattern or Kata based easy to teach. The patterns are available on the internet and they are not hiding anything. My old karate system is dying because they are so paranoid that someone will steal their techniques or patterns and so hide away.

[@SwordPlay2]

I am a long time student of BOTH martial arts. I want to make it clear that I don’t hold one martial art above the other, they are both equally fantastic. Martial arts are created, studied and evolved constantly. People who hold superiority complexes over one particular martial art and feel all others are inferior is idiotic to me. I’ve studied multiple styles over my life and appreciate them all. So get off your high horse and go study some martial arts.

[@musashisan5257]

Open your eyes! don't be jaleous! it's just a wonderfull martial art

[@joaoguilhermebastos519]

Interesting stuff how much you commit into the cut. However, thanks to the stance the possible downside of prompt imbalance is nearly nulified. I still frown upon cartwheels, spinning jump cuts and rolls but apart of it in general i'd love to give a try.

[@wildwaymartialarts]

Definitely reminds me of the Japanese Tachi

[@marcioazevedoteixeir]

muito bom ! me inspiro muito em seu video ! parabéns

[@shurarodriguez7087]

Exelentes movimientos se unifica con su cuerpo!!!

[@bibipbi]

finally, someone with common sense and historical knowledge

[@Tamilwintube]

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[@SwordPlay2]

I've studied both Kendo and gumdo(1st Dan) I can tell you they are VERY different.

[@WRKF0RAMMO3]

I love Kumdo. Very beautifully done.

[@pleasetredonme]

hope you dont think only Japan used sword. In fact, there is VERY good chance japan concieved metal forging technology from Korea looking at the geography. Simple fact that Japan is island and Korea is mainland. Also, Haedong Gumdo uses Japanese equipments, I know that. That is same reason why Muay Thai uses kick boxing equipments. If you look at the movements of kendo and Gumdo, most are very different. Only similarity are in basic moves which are simply because they both use swords

[@linneamalmberg368]

7:05 for the beginning of 8. 8:17 for 9. 9:25 for 10.

[@Oshaoxin]

chopchopchopchop, chopchopchopchop, Eoh!

[@ctacartesmarciais]

Haedong!!!

[@primativjoe]

well said

[@shawnscorpion3589]

People who think its a waste of time learning the sword should not watch movies with sword fighting.... at all!

[@Cornoxtang]

RELIABLE SOURCE FOR BRENH MARKING MY GUMDO FORM . ALTHOUGH SLEGLTY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF BRANCHING OUT.

[@gabbisuckling4326]

Does the actual origin of the artform matter? All forms of Martial Arts had to start somewhere. Every country and region would have it's own style and/or form.. Why do people have to bitch and complain about which is right, wrong, pure or whatever!

[@zenguitarankh]

Still trying to get that spin at 3:20...gahhhh

[@bhedrick101]

+Lucien Gaydos it's easier when you do it more quickly than Master Kim is. The key is in hip rotation

[@zenguitarankh]

+Bill Hedrick absolutely! found that to be true indeed!

[@skyjuiceification]

its old name is nihonto= literally means japan sword.

[@blacklotus5364]

Nope! incorrect.

[@TENGUartesmarciales]

To all of those talking crap about H

[@minttony7420]

Que sorpresa encontrarlo aqui buen hombre And yeah fuck those guys, any martial art with anything remotely ressembling a sword is kendo to them

[@NinjanoSeishin]

Can anyone please explain to me why in Haidong Gumdo, the cuts are so over exagerated and over extended? I mean, I could see it if one was using a horribly dull sword in combat, to have to put that kind of emphasis on the cuts, but for a 30" razor blade like a Katana, those big swings would be nothing more than a waste of movement that would leave one extremely open to an opponent's counter attack.

[@bhedrick101]

it's done slowly here so you can see the proper form. Done at full speed it would slice people to ribbons before you could blink.

[@ColdFire506]

It's a little slow in pace but I guess thats' for demonstration purposes. Our instructor has us going faster. I'm up to #3 but struggling some. Thank you for this video.

[@KarenYunLutz]

Hi Primativjoe, Do you know who was the original publisher of this video? I've seen a bunch of playlists online, but they all lead back to your video.

[@primativjoe]

Hi Karen i was present when this video was filmed he was my teacher at that time

[@KarenYunLutz]

Seven years to respond to questions that you managed to not answer. That has to be some sort of record. 😅@@primativjoe

[@KnightlySirJames1]

Sir, what in your opinion makes it so? Also, I have heard that the difference between Gumdo, and Japanese styles is that the Samurai was anticipating a one on one encounter, while the Korean Warrior, was preparing for the Battlefield Melee' of multiple attackers. Would you agree with this statement?

[@lemonvariable72]

Thats what some of the black belts at my gym say, but I don't really think so. It's kinda like a mix between kendo, gymnastics, and a hint of taekwondo. Still really good to learn, but it needs more sparring.

[@mintyfresh4855]

Well first you have a very mistaken view. And I'll tell you why. 1. There are 2 types of Kumdo; Daehan Kumdo and Haidong Kumdo Daehan Kumdo IS KENDO. It follows everything from kendo and the practitioners themselves practice under the Japanese rule. It's just using Korean words in place of Japanese to make it easier for Koreans to understand. Besides they both use Kanji/Hanja so the names are different in each language. That's why Koreans can compete in Kendo competitions because it's the same thing. Haidong Kumdo is Kumdo trash that should never have existed. It's impractical, flashy, and ridiculous and mostly performance based. And it tarnishes the Korean history by spouting all sorts of bullshit. 2. Traditional Korean swordsmanship is found in Ship Pal Gi, not Haidong Kumdo. I can't believe how much popularity HK is getting and not Shib Pal GI. Spread the word because Haidong Kumdo is a fraud like what the haters say. The difference is it really is. The real Korean martial art is out there not getting the attention it needs but this bullcrap is. REPLY

[@IshimaruRei]

tell me the difference

[@kurodabusi]

殺陣剣法の研究家？ 同志ですね。

[@XoNMan1]

HDGD doesn't even bear the slightest resemblance to Kendo. Have you ever even watched HDGD?

[@Thecrownzone18]

wow, just cuz they swing swords similarly, its all the same shit from Japan? then why not call every martial art kick boxing or tae kwon do or muay thai? they do all the same shit too

[@IshimaruRei]

i've done kendo for some time, and you said gumdo is more focused on battefield tactics, but you know,kenjutsu has the same point of view, kendo is more focused on focus, spiritual side, but kenjutsu is focused on killing and its more for the battlefield, so i dont see difference bettween gumdo and kenjutsu, as korea did not have sword art.

[@MrEPICNESSXD]

It may not seem any different to other sword martial art like Kendo (Japanese) and Jian (Chinese), but there are differences on their belief. Chinese thought giant swing and slices was effective. The Japanese thought quick stabs and slices was effective. The korean thought that it's effective to mix the two together. What's interesting to point out is that Koreans trained a lot on the vertical down slice. If you notice in the video at the introduction, he vertically slices with a firm chest. This specific way cuts down an opponent like he's cutting butter. There is your info for the day. ^.^ (For others: you don't need to believe what I say)

[@MrEPICNESSXD]

+harry david green Thanks for the information bud. I thought there was two type of different martial art like in Korean martial art there's both Takwondo and Gumdo or like in Japanese martial art there is both Karate and Kendo.

[@MrEPICNESSXD]

+harry david green You must know a lot about Chinese martial art then 😅

[@MrEPICNESSXD]

+harry david green Good to know.

[@Sevv9220]

That's kumdo

[@zenshinacademy4096]

a korean art that is unlike any other I have ever seen before. Usually, they just take other cultures arts, slap a korean name to it and add high flashy, flippy kicks in for good measure. Then they claim it to be a korean art. Not this one, they didn't add the high flashy kicks to it. Very unique indeed.

[@Steelfist33]

It's possible that you could say something more foolish, but i think you'd really have to work at it.

[@primativjoe]

Sorry don't have

[@mintyfresh4855]

I'm sorry but I can't like Haidong Kumdo. It tries to teach Korean history and "Korean Swordsmanship" but instead it embellishes the crap out of them. I am not denying Korean history as they had many fine points through out its history but claiming this martial art as Korean when in fact it's wearing Japanese clothing. The techniques themselves for example that HUGE overswing is going to get you killed. If you want to learn Kumdo, learn it from DAEHAN kumdo, NOT HAIDONG kumdo. Daehan Kumdo is practical and doesn't spout bull crap. If you want a Korean Swordsmanship martial art, learn it from Shib Pal Gi Association. Haidong is not a true Korean swordsmanship martial art and looks nothing like it when compared to Shib Pal Gi.

[@bhedrick101]

where do you study? what is your rank?

[@IshimaruRei]

from china, not korea, study some history please, study the part where isabella bird bishop visits korea and her comments there. korea only known style was the bow Japan in the chinese tang dinasty got the metal forging from china, korea was constantly paying tributes to china, so korea was like a slave.

[@blacklotus5364]

Japanese propaganda. You're talking about a woman who lived over 100 years ago visiting a different country to the Korea of today. Literally a different country. And that country she visited and wrote about had just been desolated by 100 years of Japanese occupation. Fuck off back to watching Hentai.

[@xXSkuraiXx]

Korean's dont LIKE to imitate the Japanese. Have you forgotten about how the Japanese took over, tried to erase Korean culture, and make Korea a New Japan? Of course Korean martial arts are going to have a striking similarity to the Japanese ones when Koreans were not allowed to speak korean, use their given korean names, or practice Korean martial arts. All of these things were replaced with Japanese. So Koreans aren't imitating, the Japanese forced it upon them.

[@bibipbi]

obviously there styles are very similar, thousands of years ago japan invaded korea and destroyed there entire culture and replaced it with there own, that's why both Korea and japan had samurais and that's also why there martial arts are very similar, stop giving haidong gumdo shit, its epic

[@davidjeong1156]

they copied using the shinai, katanas and the weird clothings

[@blacklotus5364]

Incorrect, they were forced to adopt them under Japanese occupation.

[@hosozoku]

What? Actually, both of them are imitation of KENDO

[@vincentpascual3619]

this is not even legit..

[@bhedrick101]

What art do you study

[@bluemonk2885]

Haidong Gumdo is not a martial art, not even a sport. It's just dirty politics designed to insult Japanese Kendo and Iaido. That's all.

[@bhedrick101]

Been studying it for a year and a half and I can not disagree more! There is of course politics at the master level and up, this is true in any hierachy, but at the colored and black belt levels this is a very real martial art. What do you study bluemonk?

[@dragonprince4159]

I don't know if your a keyboard warrior or want to be a martial artist because you clearly are not a martial artist the reason I say this is because you just broke one of the principles/codes/rules to be open-minded(non-discrimitive) And to be humble towards other forms of martial art.

[@varanid9]

No point in replying to a troll, but, the fact is, Gumdo is cooler than Kendo, and Kendo isn't really traditional, either.

[@vincentdang9451]

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