Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue Fight Breakdown

Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Who is stronger? Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? When we saw Jiren vs Goku in Dragon Ball Super Episode 130, Goku showed a amazing power! The Gogeta Blue vs Broly in Dragon Ball Super Broly Fight showed the Goku & Vegeta POST-TOP Fusion power. WHO is stronger? SETH: / seththeprogrammer | MJ: www.tinyurl.com...
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[@Psyk0h]

What y’all don’t realize is that Goku’s shoes are truly the most powerful things Proof you say? Name me one moment where gokus shoes have taken battle damage

[@ananijedzankic]

Fair

[@bordyesco7504]

Psykoh da1 epic lol

[@ułttimate]

Against Raditz.

[@elitewarrior1239]

When he races against krillin

[@Psyk0h]

elitewarrior 123 That doesn’t count, I mean his blue boots

[@airy101clips2]

Obviously it’s the earth it held up almost every fight

[@Aerthkil]

Except kid buu

[@taco4yearsagoedited567]

Arkilmore *almost*

[@harikiran4339]

Earth is stronger than we think!!

[@josephkennedy2953]

Barry in a nutshell ong

[@stargazeramv]

hahahaaha

[@manashejmadi]

Actually Mr Satan has Ultra instinct too. Remember when kid buu emerged and tried to attack satan and he started begging for mercy and dodging buu's attacks?😂

[@InspectorChairLeg]

Nah man, he is actually beyond that, he has to be

[@thestreets2817]

Who do you think taught the GoDs? The angels just kept up the tradition! 😂

[@statusburning4113]

Kid Buu was just toying dude

[@pleasedont7439]

@@statusburning4113 that was just sarcasm dude.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

Mr. Satan has a power beyond Ultra Instinct. He's a gag character!

[@Aaron-cr9mx]

Bruh, it's obviously the camera man

[@thesinofwrath092]

The Fastest Being

[@bluelock700]

😂🤦🏽‍♂️😂

[@justanotherlaid-backdude5297]

Man how fast is that camera man, he is Literally in front of both UI and Jiren in the fight 🤣🤣🤣

[@primalvelocity3811]

Why does it have to be camera man? Why can't it be camera woman?

[@Mamba-t2m]

@@primalvelocity3811 bruh

[@hightidekraken]

Jiren vs Broly Vegito vs Gogeta MUI vs Fusion 🙄it seems the DB fandom is doomed to never get along.

[@darthrevan454]

Nah it's just some people can't use their brains

[@darthrevan454]

I mean someone really believes Broly can beat Jiren they're dumber than a rock. Broly couldn't kill Freeza in 2 hours. Jiren (who wasn't even trying to kill because you can't in the Tournament) almost deleted Freeza in less than 40 mins

[@judekiv]

Darth Revan that’s a good point lol if jiren could kill he would end frieza almost instantly

[@darthrevan454]

@@judekiv exactly!

[@darthrevan454]

@@judekiv finally someone who uses their brain

[@notyou1472]

My brain says Mastered Ultra Instinct... My heart says Gogeta blue.

[@donnabrahamworsley5857]

𝙇𝙤𝙡

[@Hayder609]

Exactly 😂

[@giannisgiannoulis2564]

Yeah

[@TonyBro505]

Not You it’s obviously MUI goku

[@emmijames358]

@NOTREALYGOKU_LOL _ think again

[@chanceneck8072]

What if Gogeta went UI??...

[@wolfdraco5971]

He would defuse in about 3 minutes...?

[@roccocassara4877]

@@wolfdraco5971 No you get the full 30 minutes with manga MUI

[@roccocassara4877]

@@wolfdraco5971 It doesn't eat up ki like SSJ3. Neither does MSSB, normal SSB does more than SS3 as does REGULAR Ssg if you don't conserve the aura with MSSJ

[@edonprevalla1539]

He one shots broly

[@darren5810]

I think it would last 30 seconds, but they would only need 5 or less to kill anyone ;)

[@nathansnively1537]

Broly just isnt a good gauge for Gogeta Blue. Gogeta Blue straight dominates him

[@mr.0474]

Well its the only one

[@mr.0474]

Except for goku and vegeta who also fought broly

[@mr.0474]

@Anthony Torres wait but they did keep fighting but gogeta was too strong

[@Kit_Kat_Catastrophe]

Exactly what I was thinking, I mean if I recall the main reason Gogeta went blue was because he knew Broly had to be put down quick. The only other thing we have to even come close to "compare" is Heroes...and in Heroes Jiren was more amazed by Gogeta than UI Goku. (I know it's not canon but there really is no other comparison) so IMO we really can't judge which is better out of UI or Gogeta Blue

[@Subarashii_Nem]

That just shows HOW much stronger Gegeta was. Look at it this way. In a fight where they had NO choice but to fuse to win, then once fused, Gogeta just straight up flexed on Broly until he got bored. UI Goku got fucked up by Jiren multiple times and only won because Jiren wanted to test his own strength and wanted to prove something more than win the tournament. If that wasn't the case, UI Goku woulda straight up lost. Gogeta on the other hand, had absolutely 0 chance of losing to Broly. None what so ever. So taking this into account, it's actuallt not a bad gage to show just how much more stronger Gogeta Blue is compared to Bluku and Blugeta. Also there was a line Whis says. Most people think of it as a throw away line but he says "See, you two can work together!" when he first see's Gogeta. He always implied that if they worked together, they would be more powerful than Beerus. So by this we can assume that Gogeta is indeed AT LEAST on par with Beerus. Making him at the very least, as strong as UI. Personally, I think he's stronger than UI when it comes to raw power. The thing about UI and MUI is it's not all about raw power, more about overwhelming speed. Since the body reacts automatically in both offense and defence, it's less about the pure strength and more about the overwhelming amount and unreadable attacks while being able to simultaneously avoid being hit. Gogeta literally BREAKS REALITY when fighting with Broly. Yes that can attested to the fact him and Broly are super strong and their combined power broke reality but Gogeta was HOLDING BACK in the fight as to not kill Broly. He had no intention of killing him. We can see this because when the Final Kamehameha just misses Broly due to the wish Chelai made, he's super relieved and happy. Conclusion: Raw power, Gogeta is stronger than MUI, Speed and battle prowess in general MUI is stronger. If they could go toe to toe, it will more than likely be a draw. But I have to give the edge to MUI since, unreadable and automatic attacks, plus Soul Punisher will not work on MUI since it only works against the corrupt of heart and Goku is the most pure of heart character in the series. Soul Punisher is one of the strongest moves in the entire series so it's a big loss not being able to use it. As a Gogeta fanboy, admitting this doesn't feel great but right now, we just don't know enough about Gogeta to make the claim he's indeed stronger than MUI but we know full well what MUI is capable of and the potential it has.

[@y.o.h.i]

U can't beat what u can't hit

[@HuriaJoni]

there really isnt an argument here, its MUI all the way period :)

[@markdupree9352]

CHIEF h But MUI was hit by Jiren....

[@mlbdajoe5689]

CHIEF h but you can hit him

[@johnnykilroy3737]

MUI got bodied until jiren tried to kill krillin

[@FreshTamales]

Mark Dupree Toppo stated Jiren has been studying goku’s move in UI meaning he was already use to it as Jiren is a fighting genius. Also when goku got enraged Jiren never once touched him again and got completely dominated. UI also keeps rising, stated by piccolo, Whis and supreme kai. UI increased over 5 times within 15 minutes lol. Keep that in mind

[@Daniel-lw8cp]

Boly was clapping friezas cheeks for about 62 min

[@shaqpac51]

Ayo 😭

[@obayrafi2632]

@Arexand that was the best scene

[@themysticstar8485]

Broly*

[@Demoneye097]

@@themysticstar8485 Bally*

[@Daniel-lw8cp]

@@themysticstar8485 i can do that too Broly*

[@Tokouv]

Broly never touched Gogeta after he went blue...

[@RyseOlympus]

No matter what this video says these guys are missing one solid fact..... goku is half of gogeta so they would have to cut the power scaling literally in half in order to be accurate. This a stupid comparison to begin with since it's a fusion of the same character this video is just pointless honestly lol

[@SilenceStabber]

Broly is a rookie and mindless ape. Very sure Broly would never be able to touch UI Goku.

[@SilenceStabber]

@@RyseOlympus It's not Goku vs Gogeta, it's Goku MUI vs Gogeta Blue. It's possible Goku MUI is stronger than Gogeta Blue by a HUGE margin, because the transformation itself is just insane.

[@RyseOlympus]

@@SilenceStabber but you still would have to apply the zenkai boost to both vegeta and goku after the t.o.p and then stack ssb on top of that twice then magnify/multiply by atleast 50. Sorry but that transformation is nothing compared against gogeta. Plus you can use ultra instincts weaknesses which are it's time which is short as hell and the fact that goku has to dodge just like jiren used against him he made goku dodge into his attacks. Gogeta could definitely make goku do that since he's both goku and vegeta combined plus he has a time advantage since goku lasted atleast 5 min in MUI. Sorry but goku mui doesn't stand a chance fam gogeta knows the weakness and he knows gokus fighting style the fight is pointless.

[@SilenceStabber]

​@@RyseOlympus You're right about Gogeta knows Goku's fighting style fully... but you forgot that UI Goku has its own fighting style that resembles nothing to Goku's original fighting style. Gohan and Vegeta noticed very quickly when they saw UI Goku for first time fighting, it was very different. And sure, Gogeta has way higher powerlevel than Goku, but we know in ToP that it doesn't matter much. Suppressed Jiren has also a gigantic powerlevel, casually fighting SSBE Vegeta and SSBKK20 Goku at same time, he could one shot them at any time but he was just toying around. Even Beerus (and Whis) refused to give Potara ear-rings, because they fear Jiren would ring-them out together losing both Goku AND Vegeta. But regular UI Goku was able to close that gap solo... that's insane transformation. Not strange, because Goku learned UI basically from Whis... Whis himself said that UI basically makes you INVINCIBLE in combat, hence why Jiren with insane high power-level struggled taking down Goku's "invincible transformation". So Gogeta should, in theory, also unable to beat UI Goku, he can only drag the fight till Goku loses the effect. But don't say that only UI has time-limit... I'm sure you know that Fusions have also strict time-limit, Gogeta is not a Jiren. I'm sure 1 more SSB Kamehameha in movie and Gogeta would defuse against Broly. Unless you suggest Gogeta is superior to Vegito and they can stay longer fused...... but that's not proven and also just lame to think about.

[@indominusreags2278]

Y’know Raditz was faster than light.

[@kaiser1817]

Hillbilly Reviews No..... he wasn’t, where the hell did you get that information from?

[@googeeta6187]

@@kaiser1817 watch seththeprogramer video on Naruto vs dragon ball

[@callmemrtree6332]

@@googeeta6187 or better watch dragon ball z when Raditz dodged Piccolo special beam cannon

[@jordanjohnson9446]

@@callmemrtree6332 he was in a full Nelson

[@TheRealTaolf]

CommunistComrade1922 yes he was everyone has been that fast since beginning of Z

[@JustinY.]

No men should have this type of power

[@immortalmist608]

Found You

[@hentai_haven]

Damn Bro, 370K Subs I'm waiting for your Gold Play Button at 1 Mil 👀

[@andrewcoleman6857]

Jealous much?

[@deadtheories4170]

Except Shaggy

[@blackpow3r]

@@xem2476 HELL NO. WOMEN WITH POWER ARE DESTROYING EVERYTHING.

[@BuddyBoy-ne1nw]

I think their strength can be gauged by the amount of shirt left on their chests. MUI Goku wins Edit: You know? On second thought, maybe Gogeta Blue is stronger. Oh well, the damage is done, already got my 1 thousand likes. Thanks bitches.

[@darioplayz1111]

top comment in the weong place lmao

[@ZeroHeros_]

Lol gogeta doesn't have a shirt on

[@darioplayz1111]

@@ZeroHeros_ me:*goes naked in a busy street* iq:infinity pl:angel

[@Yumemaru.]

🤣

[@gamersforlife3440]

@@darioplayz1111 nu u i see u want to c um yus

[@nigward9344]

We haven’t seen Beerus at full power? Damn he must’ve held back even against all the other gods

[@yutaoGOATsu236]

All of the strongest gods really didn't fight like belmod didn't really wanna fight and faked being knocked out and when beerus fought quitella he was already tired

[@yeah8709]

Yes but beerus himself hasnt mastered ultra instinct debatably we dont even know if he has it yet

[@mementomori_7779]

I hope beerus is made the strongest character except for the angles,grand priest and zeno of course.

[@eridor]

Nigward They were talking about the anime, I do believe

[@717jeezy]

The thing I didn't like about UI or MUI is the fact that it's clearly known that it's a technique and not a form , so where did all this new overwhelming power goku gained come from ? It's was supposed to be a technique of ultimate heightened sense of awareness and instinct, not another power up form like another level of super saiyan. So even tho goku can't activate MUI at will , shouldn't he at Least still have access to that enormous power ? Even tho MUI should've never been meant to be a power up . unless goku is still using the same amount of power he always had but then that wouldn't make sense as jiren was tanking attacks head on the entire time . or maybe once jiren had taken damage , he loses the durability to tank such attacks as he did before . like if vegeta would've hit jiren with that super charged final flash after getting knocked around from MUI goku it would've really done some big damage .

[@firstnamelastname3212]

I love one of the first arguments/ "fact" 1. Gogeta wrecking broly And on the other side 2. GoDs standing up

[@statusburning4113]

Because UI is the I think the “LeGeNd” for the Gods and for Saiyans is “SuPeR sAiYaN”

[@yvngjay3925]

It makes sense they would give a standing ovation not many people can master led alone tap into UI

[@firstnamelastname3212]

@@yvngjay3925 fair, but I would leave it at that

[@thetf8142]

@@firstnamelastname3212 when you have a fucking huge spirit bomb which was stronger than blue Kaio-Ken x20 and the gods just say “the energy feels nice” compared to when goku mastered ui and having them give goku a complete standing ovation to him, yea that’s a fucking feat

[@firstnamelastname3212]

@@thetf8142 he just used UI it's crazy indeed, but for what it is, it's not enough

[@carsonhartnett1105]

Gotta keep in mind Beerus reacted to Jiren but didnt even move out of his seat for Broly

[@ELSGaming]

Bad

[@elchapo3181]

Because his universe was literally going to get erased if goku lost. That's why he was like that with jiren.

[@ELSGaming]

@@elchapo3181 no it was because jiren was actually a massive threat and he was stronger than his god of destruction. And btw jirens god of destruction was said to be very close to beerus on power levels.

[@imani2114]

@@ELSGaming that was never said.

[@ShogunFear]

@@imani2114 Actually whis says hes stronger than him in the anime. Though the manga proves that may not be the case

[@TotallyWixked]

Guys we all know who is the strongest character in dragon ball? Hercules : yes

[@randomness5402]

ᏓᏔ ᏚᎢᏌᎠᏆᎾ farmer with a shotgun

[@majorjordan3133]

Joke is old

[@randomness5402]

No u

[@valentds]

hercules? what's this, disney? with the american name HERCULE, his original name is mr.satan, like videl is de-vi-l

[@abstractassassin8767]

What about the bird Goku revived?

[@supremesage5859]

Haha... Don't take this series (marketing) too seriously. It's dragon Ball messing up and confusing power scale as always. They had a chance with beerus' intro but messed it up.

[@Zupermental]

comparing now battle of the gods... to this reckless OP is just kids play .. they did mess up the intro of beerus.. cant wait to see his FULL power

[@MizukiDraws123]

And the fact that potara better than metamorphan fusion dance

[@deaganachomarunacathasaigh4344]

Imagine how more powerful Broly could get with a few days in the room of spirit and time. And then give him Ssj God and let him train with Whis. He could probably beat Jiren, Cumber, Gogeta, Vegito and Merged Zamasu at the same time

[@braymaxz640]

Nah he can't beat any of those...

[@derallercoolste9999]

@@braymaxz640 your brain = 🚮

[@carlnico7331]

@@braymaxz640 Maybe some of them, Jiren is probably gonna keep up a good fight, but i think broly get the W.

[@braymaxz640]

@@derallercoolste9999Your pp= 🤏

[@mrbens5608]

No...

[@harrysagamo7323]

Gogeta Blue: Power and Strength MUI Goku: Speed and Technique

[@harrysagamo7323]

Kebabos The Kebab no gogeta is faster than blue goku and blue vegeta but not as fast as ui lmao

[@santosh4519]

Kebabos The Kebab i see that you have trouble reading what @harry sagamo said

[@entertainmentvideos8973]

Literally😂 lmao

[@HolyLightofAngel]

@SonnieSlim1 it's not just a boost it's way beyond any God form Goku and Vegeta has ever obtained even beyond all Gods of destruction too it's an ability that rivals the angels and need an eternity of a hell of a training to obtain such an ability to reach the form. In Dragon ball heroes Goku trained under the Father of all Angels to just be able to reach mui on his own not master the form yet and surpass it do you know how much powerful is mui or you just are being stupid? Gogeta will not be able to beat mui on standard SS blue form that he beat Broly But with Blue and Kaioken on top of it like Gogeta Ssbkkx20 might be able to beat Mui Goku (medium difficulty)

[@HolyLightofAngel]

@SonnieSlim1 I think you are trying to justify that you are wrong by confronting me nice try my dude but not smart.

[@thomass9498]

Technically whis never said "jiren is stronger than all gods of destruction " he says hes stronger than "a" god of destruction. The gods of destruction all have separate power levels. You cant use that in the way you are. If you want to use quotes, use them properly.

[@elijahlloyd23]

Thomas S that’s exactly what I was thinking! Beerus even handled all the Gods at once. Crazy to think Broly is stronger.

[@sixpaths66]

@Anthony Sanchez its not because of his strength.its because he achieved a form that has prestige amongst them thats not easily obtained in their realm.

[@sixpaths66]

@Anthony Sanchez jiren may be more powerful than everyone but beerus as beerus has ui and enough power to one shot vegeta while hes using mssb in the manga.keep in mind that beerus is infinitely scaled throughout the series.

[@sixpaths66]

@Anthony Sanchez no im not saying that.but what im saying is the gods stood because this mortal achieved what they simply could not.not to simply marvel in his power.its a standing ovation well deserved.

[@ImJasonD]

Yes, the Gods didn’t stand because they felt Goku was stronger than them but more of a sign of respect that a mortal has achieved that level of power within a short time span. On numerous occasions when talking about Jirens power they have stated that he ‘may’ have surpassed a God of Destruction, not that he’s definitely more powerful than all.

[@zacharywilliams4575]

im not convinced ultra instinct is a new form because many different species can use it . i think its more like kaioken

[@Random_Arabian_Guy]

I like that statement

[@s.boundless3163]

Goku transforms in order to use it. Kaioken causes no mutation to Gokus body, therefore not a transformation.

[@zacharywilliams4575]

Sheldon S. Does he really though? Is hair turns silver and that’s not even constant. And just like when he first used kaioken against vegeta he paid a massive price to his body at the end of that. Super sayain didn’t do that.

[@s.boundless3163]

@@zacharywilliams4575 His hair and eyes mutate. It's just as much a mutation as any super saiyan form. Kaioken doesn't transform his body at all, only a change in aura and causes severe draw back. Had UI not transformed his body in any way it could be considered a technique.

[@GeneralRosity]

Its stated in the anime that ui and mui are techniques not transformations

[@rubygamer5813]

Tbh people kinda lowball broly, he might not be Jiren but he still was suprisingly good at the movie now that I think about him, like : Beating up SSB goku, SSB vegeta, golden Frieza and gogeta until he turned SSB ( all at full health and stamina ) is worthy of being something placing him GoD tier or higher, and with SSB gogeta easily beating him up it’s just something that makes the argument harder Meanwhile Jiren fought against a weakened ( correct me if I’m wrong ): (He fought Hit alone and had time to recover) Vegeta, Android 17, frieza and goku, goku fought the pride trooper guys but they wouldn’t make much of a difference, sure Jiren is very strong but it took all of them combined to finally finish him off, it wasn’t just MUI goku

[@ohwell118]

Remember mate, Broly fought (pummeled) Frieza for a full hour while the entire Tournament of power went for 45 minutes. Broly has amazing potential, but it is hard to gauge how strong Broly really is.

[@franciscoaguilar2597]

@@ohwell118 when people use Frieza vs Broly as an argument to say Broly is not that strong is really bad. People seem to scratch out that Frieza is extremely powerful, as well as having godlike level of durability. This was after the T.O.P., which one would assume Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza are so much stronger in DBS:B compared to Super's last arc. People jump the shark on the fusion scene, calling it random and out of nowhere for a seemingly "weak" Broly, even though he wasn't receiving a scratch from Goku and Vegeta blue in just ssj. If Goku really goes for fusion, his own full power and Vegeta's are not enough to even take Broly on. Goku is really gonna need UI to take on Full Power SSJ Broly. Otherwise, he's most likely going to be ragdolled worse than when Broly humiliated him in his ssg form. They are both easily dead without using unorthodox methods.

[@user-th2wd7sy8g]

We still haven't seen him at full power, with any training, or unlock higher forms of LSSJ. Honestly imagine how many Broly would clap if he got his hands on some god ki.

[@newhope5729]

Broly is nowhere near the UI level..... And MUI is much much MUCH stronger........ So, he might become strong after training but I don't think everyone is gonna pause...... They will also get stronger..... And still.... Broly may remain weaker....

[@Sora-ci1oo]

@@newhope5729 do u know that Broly is the Legendary Super Saiyan and the strongest saiyan right ? Remember that Broly only trained with his father that had like 4000 power level, imagine if he trained with Whis. Plus Broly has infinite stamina in a fight, the more he fight the more he will get stronger. LSSJ Broly is the strongest saiyan without fusion.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

UI is definitely the feat king, especially since it's the marketing flagship at the moment. They've been pretty careful about stockpiling info about it; going out of the way to not verbally scale during the Broly film, to Jiren or otherwise, seems to be a part of that. I imagine Beerus will slide up in scale as the story goes on too, even though logically they should be way past that point. Good video.

[@supernerd5781]

Your logic is completely sound, in my opinion Gogeta should be stronger but it makes sense from a marketing standpoint to make UI stronger

[@jaihalai7674]

Jack O Brien well they’re definitely pushing this as being stronger than fusions in blue form so it does make sense it’s just natural for forms to get stronger as the plot necessitates

[@Zain-yy6bm]

which fight was better 1-goku vs broly?? or 2-vegeta vs broly?? Goku Vs Broly was long and better.....

[@jaihalai7674]

Legendary Productions That was omen and MUI is clearly beyond that form. Also the second omen UI goku trashed Kefla. Shaking the world of void is a greater feat than some buu saga looking dimension smashing shit that was for visual pleasure

[@ZenRyoku]

@@Zain-yy6bm This may be my biased opinion because of Vegeta being my favorite character in any show/movie/anything...but MY BOI VEGETA GETS THE WIN on style points alone...💯 just his pure martial arts techniques and attacks not only being just pulled off looking more refined and tight...with his acrobatic prowess...and the savage spinning kicks sending Broly flying...lol plus with him knocking Broly thru the equivalent of the entire rocky mountain range... even tho Broly WAS much stronger when his fight with Goku (because his progression from fighting with Vegeta) but Broly giving Goku the most savage of beating Goku ever endured....(fukin throwing him around like a rag doll...including running Goku's face thru a couple miles of Ice...haha) ....and holy shit...straight knocking Goku unconscious from the level of Super Saiyan God... holy hell....knocking a God Ki levelled character out cold...omg... Goku's gonna feel that one for the rest of his lives...lol💯 i bet even Pan's future grandkids felt that one...haha 😄

[@octah008]

I agree tbh. I'm pretty sure Ultra Instinct should be the pinnacle of power in DB.

[@crayveonmiller3869]

Octah best comment yet i agree with you everyone else is just insane lol

[@justinreschke3642]

The problem with that is that there is no pinnacle of power in DB. If that happens then the show is over.

[@AnassLouisOfficial]

Justin Reschke ultra instinct is already stated to be the pinnacle. its the ultimate form that all the GoDs work to achieve and the angels and Daishinkan all have.

[@justinreschke3642]

@@AnassLouisOfficial But Zeno > ultra instinct And if goku was ever = to Zeno they would just make a villain that was even more powerful. Rinse and repeat.

[@AnassLouisOfficial]

Justin Reschke mm , i never said that type of pinnacle lol. when i say pinnacle, i mean i believe dbs will end when Goku can tap into it at will. He’d have done everything the GoDs cant do at that point. Thats why he cant do it right now. He has to work to achieve it again. And a Blue Fusion is not the pinnacle or above Complete Ultra Instinct. If it was , he either should be able to tap into it on his own, or they should just fuse every antagonist that pops up.

[@pacifistart]

Broly is the owner of cat beerus and came to earth to find him

[@v9jaylen626]

most underrated comment

[@brendankelly2653]

Cat Beerus might flick Broly

[@arielmunoz6652]

Lol good one

[@taco4yearsagoedited567]

Explains his rage, and why Berrus was clearly afraid to go w goku and vegeta

[@nikoloniani]

@@darthrevan454 What do you mean? This is a very serious topic why would we be joking. Smh.

[@rodricvanhauwerrmeiren4743]

Gogeta is the type of guy that says: ultra instinct? yeah cool *proceeds to obliterate his opponent anyway*

[@alberthgd]

Gogeta gansta until MUI Goku uses his susanoo

[@happythanos6632]

@@alberthgd exactly mui susanoo stomps ssb gogeta😂😂😂

[@thughunter3728]

Gogeta literally has glitter and uses rainbow attacks with sparkles Yet still the most badass character in dragon ball mindblowing

[@flowsenpai9961]

@@thughunter3728 LMFAOOOOOO def not cooler than goku using ui in all of his forms tho. He just looks so bad ass i cant wait to see him fighting opponents in base and dancing all over them!

[@flowsenpai9961]

@master why would I imagine that? And why would Goku shit if he can't exist at the same time as gogeta? You mean half of gogeta will shit when he sees himself?

[@kevinishki]

Can't really come to a conclusion until Brolly and Jiren fight

[@RodsTechout]

Kev this comment is so underrated

[@esdrassalgado8850]

Kev yeah that’s just as likely to happen as Gogeta vs vegito.

[@kevinishki]

Lol well it's not impossible. I'm going to have high hopes when dragon ball returns. I'm sure they have been working on something. I hope lol. The manga sounds like its getting good. Waiting for the anime though

[@esdrassalgado8850]

Kev I guess never say never. I mean who would’ve imagined Gogeta vs Broly would’ve actually happen so who knows.

[@kevinishki]

Right never say never. What would Goku say? Heck we'll probably see gogeta and vegeto fight first. Ss4 Goku and Ssb Goku already fought in heroes right lol

[@Jessergdl]

Your video is BS. Obviously Yamcha is stronger.

[@NTGSonic]

Popo says otherwise

[@scapetnt270]

Bro have you seen extra 1456 in the live action daze movie

[@ImJhex]

That’s why there’s a LR Yamaha and not UI goku

[@alexiavya722]

jesser 😤 freaking stupid heads for forgetting our lord and savior

[@thatguy8777]

@digital gamer_tv r/whoooosh

[@RahulSingh-sd5jr]

Point to note- Gogeta Blue wasn't using nearly his full power while fighting Broly.Broly was completely wrecked and you can see in final shot of the fight he was actually scared of Gogeta Blue's Kamehame

[@dealspeed6756]

Exactly I don't think we saw what Gogeta could really do, To me Gogeta is the most bad ass character Iv'e seen yet, Well okay I admit MUI goku was incredible, I can't wait to see the english dub

[@quanzaylundy7359]

Not necessarily full power in blue but he's def using at least half or more.

[@bhaveshkahaneable]

@@dealspeed6756 lol gogeta will defuse in 1 min in super if he uses SSB movie plot made them fused

[@KwispyKage]

Also something to keep in mind, MUI Goku was fueled off of an exhausted and battle-worn Goku yet still managed to take on someone above God of destruction level, Gogeta had an hour rest before he came back to fight

[@dealspeed6756]

@Trex 2402 well said

[@davion4777]

Back in my days, fusions were the strongest possible beings and there was no doubt about it. Now...

[@8-p335]

JasonOne now UI is stated to be the strongest god technique which makes it stronger than fusion

[@LeThickBooty]

Lowkey miss those days 😐 no gods, no angels, no UI. Just the basic 3 super saiyan forms with fusion and mystic gohan on the side. Good times good times 😔

[@LeThickBooty]

JasonOne ik

[@jantheking7028]

@@LeThickBooty I actually like UI and the concept of gods and a multiverse. One of Dragon Ball's best additions.

[@LeThickBooty]

@@jantheking7028 the power scaling is disgusting tho

[@carsonhartnett1105]

Who else thought during the super bowl half time the beginning of sicko mode was broly landing in the stadium with the green meteor

[@johnrildo2325]

Who cares about the Super Bowl? I've got anime to watch!

[@jediael9906]

You

[@blackpow3r]

MUI is definitely the strongest form. It cannot be controlled yet though. It's obviously the ultimate form for Goku and Vegeta to achieve to challenge Beerus and the deities. We got a glimpse of it in the ToP. Also Broly is the strongest individual mortal in Universe 7 present. So he is the mightiest currently without MUI Goku

[@damurydah6496]

Vegeta can't get ultra instinct and Neva will

[@professornova1236]

@@damurydah6496 Why not tho?

[@DarthWombat]

It's not MUI. It's called completed UI, Goku hasn't mastered it at all!

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

@@damurydah6496 Yes he can. Anyone can achieve UI it's not about power its a state of mind

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@DragonoftheDarknessFlame he won't because it's not in his character Vegeta can't relax his body and Whis even states this many times

[@lxfj2128]

The reason they fused against broly is because any form vegeta and goku took out broly would match it because his power kept growing in power but When they fused into gogeta was to much of a power gap for broly to match in time

[@nathanfitnessyt1741]

They didn't have access to MUI

[@allforonetv7176]

During the movie goku transformation from god to blue you see MUI

[@allforonetv7176]

How?

[@allforonetv7176]

It even showed the glow the white hair

[@thedutchwolf97]

@@allforonetv7176 That's more of a transition point from one form to the other. You don't just go MUI and then go 'wait, nvm, I wanna go SSB instead'.

[@yusukeurameshi3694]

They need to bring back janemba and make him canon.... janemba was way underrated.... he literally morphed the entire universe just because he came into existence

[@jamez3204]

FR AND MAKE HIM STRONGER THEN JIREN

[@aarongallardo3684]

@@jamez3204 haha love that to happen

[@drhater2318]

TheRealBacon Lmao no

[@jamez3204]

@@drhater2318 lmao yes

[@drhater2318]

TheRealBacon Na that would be dum

[@dabilboblakkins732]

Never let KZbinrs decide how you view a show. They're just people with recorders

[@LoverzLane-]

Sounds like you salty mui claps gogeta L

[@guihiram1939]

Dabilbo blakkins I agree on what you said but my argument for gogeta ssgss is that it’s kinda like the case with ss3 and vegeto in the Buu saga sure vegito couldn’t go ssj 3 just like gogeta ssgss can’t go ui but that doesn’t make it weaker simply because again it’s goku and vegetas power and more but I could be wrong so let me know if you disagree.

[@dabilboblakkins732]

@baldy hardnut what you said is completely opinionated

[@dabilboblakkins732]

@baldy hardnut there are other moments in dragon balls history that could be considered the greatest besides Goku achieving a new form.

[@dimthelightsnowbaby7671]

Hahahahaha..... so funny

[@Plotnwvziam]

Seth is that one kid in every group that believes he’s always right and uses sarcasm in every conversation

[@marlonsalgado6719]

Cuz u a broly fanboy?

[@Plotnwvziam]

Marlon's vlogs but I like UI Goku

[@marlonsalgado6719]

@@Plotnwvziam my bad

[@bigb2610]

@@Plotnwvziam man your picture scared the heck out of me 😁

[@Plotnwvziam]

Big B you dare call me ugly

[@afist5595]

Everybody saying that broly was beating frieza for 60 minutes but when gogeta joins the fight you see broly fighting whis, so at some point frieza probably stopped getting thrashed by broly

[@jakdaxter6033]

In my mind, if the fusions are a culmination of both Goku and Vegeta and then multiplied, then that would make both Gogeta and Vegito stronger than anything Goku and Vegeta could be on their own. From my understanding, the fusions have all the knowledge and techniques of both individuals at their disposal and then they have their power multiplied by god knows how much, plus the fusion is an entirely new being capable of coming up with their own techniques and stuff. I'd like to believe that this would, in theory, make them stronger than Goku UI. As for which fusion is stronger, i'd like to believe that in terms of raw strength since both of them are made up of Goku and Vegeta that they're basically equals. Not saying one can't beat the other, but if they were just measuring strength alone, they'd probably be equal.

[@antoniosmith2610]

Well I mean if Gogeta was able to use ultra instinct then of course he would be stronger because Then it’s a literally ultra instinct versus ultra instinct +++. But gogeta blue vs mui? Nah They wouldn’t make any sense

[@cevapboj9880]

@@antoniosmith2610 Right.... as if a Single Goku after the ToP could defeat a fucking Fusion of Goku and Vegeta post ToP. I really cannot fathom the logic behind people who claim that UI is Stronger than Gogeta

[@ltkcam9348]

@@cevapboj9880 exactlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@firstchain_prominence]

@@cevapboj9880 goku couldn’t tap into ui that’s the whole reason of them relying on fusion. ssb goku was trying broly before he went ssj. y wouldn’t goku use kaioken x20 on blue?!

[@amantejohnson6916]

Thank you it literally makes no sense that mui would be stronger than their fusions. None at all.

[@samcapocyan8195]

U know powerups have become an asspull when a character can be compared to a fusion of that character plus another

[@Mpeace777]

Right? Who believes that UI Goku can beat Gogeta

[@mrgamra8833]

Endernoob Plays a lot of people

[@theoc511]

Lmao 😂 it's laughable to think any 1 saiyan is stronger than a ssgss fusion

[@mrgamra8833]

Tiychristian Johnson true do

[@TheDevlloyd]

Only comment that makes sense

[@rumbata696]

MUI > gogeta blue jiren > broly for now

[@Bigjay88888]

Awakened jiren no doubt is stronger

[@goober69er]

I think brolys potential is scary if they choose to follow that path

[@SilenceStabber]

Jiren is always stronger than Broly, because Jiren keeps training and Broly most likely won't. Lets not forget, Jiren is also pretty similar to Broly, he gets stronger and stronger too in the Manga even after the limit. Jiren has superior fighting sence, and powerful body. But Broly has the Saiyan rage... not sure if this is enough.

[@ryszardambrose]

I agree with you, logically broly can't just surpass jiren just like that. The only way that could happen is through plot armor. Jiren is capable of improving as he did in the TOP, and unlike any of them he attained his power on his own. Goku would have never attained SSG if it wasn't for whis and beerus@@SilenceStabber

[@jorvanlee1200]

Dbsb hater

[@doomcriticalzx6554]

The second you talked about heroes then your argument lost all credibility

[@demipro7526]

fearomar it’s not based on that they just used that they also talked about other pieces of evidence and arguments

[@Gcarlooo]

Demi Pro yeah but non cannon evidence 😑

[@goji8755]

But they didn’t use heroes definitely they just said oh yea there is also that

[@mariogamer6491]

It's like bringing up GT or dbz broly, niether have any leverage

[@WaveForceful]

All they said was even SDBH even implied that fusion is less powerful than MUI. Thats all.

[@Awesmman]

Can I just say that the way geekdom asks for subs is amazing with the voices of different characters

[@jaslblacklopez]

Comparing gogeta to MUI is like comparing Beerus to Whis. Whis is Ultra Instinct personified.

[@ced214]

baldy hardnut more than a bit😂😂😂😂😂

[@jaslblacklopez]

@baldy hardnut not at all. As if power scalinging even existed anymore. We don't even know if Whis is strong, all we have seen is that he can us Ultra instinct all the time. Beers even threatened to erase Whis at one time so we are just assuming Whis is strong.

[@fovestrum8828]

@@jaslblacklopez you remember the end of battle of gods?

[@fovestrum8828]

And it was stated by the creator of dragon ball himself

[@jaslblacklopez]

@@fovestrum8828 I do. All was stated was that Whis was his teacher.

[@AaronDbs]

How about Gogeta blue smashed hearts and broly without even touching him I think DB is a mess about power levels

[@brokentoaster2295]

Db Heroes isn't even canon dummy dumb, they try to make everything op like a 12 year old's imagination of a fight

[@Dave-rf7yk]

I mean ssj2 kefla can compete with ui goku so I'm pretty sure blue gogeta is superior or else this is all bs

[@Dave-rf7yk]

@@brokentoaster2295 .

[@jtb9869]

Dave Novoa she couldn’t compete😂she couldn’t even touch goku and that was only goku second time in ui. And remember that was ui omen, mui is way stronger than ui omen

[@Dave-rf7yk]

Goku HAD to go ui omen to beat kefla. That's what I'm saying

[@hamza361]

Goku wasn’t pushed far enough in DBS Broly to go ultra instinct lol MUI is just another league of power.

[@dug4095]

Agreed

[@countengladx7156]

Cuz Goku and Vegeta are waaaaaay above the level of power they were at during the TOP arc

[@CertainlyCynical]

countenglad x how do you know that? That’s more than likely false, they’re probably just slightly stronger post top

[@Grizzle2894]

I see people say that but goku literally grabbed vegetas hand and ran away in the movie. How exactly was he supposed to get pushed far enough for UI if he doesn't stay in the fight? And who's to say jiren would've done it if goku was allowed to retreat and regroup in TOP?

[@nothingspecial8114]

Hamza Adrees Goku didn’t even face a super saiyan broly for more than like 1 min of screen time so ofc he wasn’t pushed far enough. He didnt even face a full power broly

[@blaketindle4703]

And now in the Granolah arc it seems that Beerus is much stronger than we were thinking at the end of the Tournament or Power. I don’t think MUI Goku would defeat Beerus yet. Still needs more training with Whis to perfect Ultra Instinct.

[@tommymarquez4603]

Doesn’t manga, Beerus have UI as well? But hasn’t mastered?

[@kamrulazmi7134]

@@tommymarquez4603 Beerus doesn’t have UI

[@_xfuturetrunksx_]

@@kamrulazmi7134 Uhh yes he does

[@kamrulazmi7134]

@@_xfuturetrunksx_ no he doesn’t

[@ZIONE103]

@@kamrulazmi7134 he does bruh he just hasn't mastered it.

[@lostbeans2919]

If you think about it gogeta has never really struggled in a fight

[@ghastlyghost2542]

He was shown once on screen after a massive zenkai boost after the tournament. You sir are braindead

[@neonkyle1923]

Thanos so

[@SuccessfulSuperstar]

The only times he was shown were the movie and now so he doesn't have any screen time to prove this

[@bradstorey2686]

Has MUI goku really struggled though?

[@Honest-King]

@@bradstorey2686 Yes i think he did

[@notjust9426]

What if gogeta came from the future and fuse with vegito DAMN

[@Nygassso]

Gogito?

[@supergoat1507]

Omni king level?

[@asianboij1770]

His name can/ would be Vegeta

[@originated712]

Orbit Xevi lol true

[@soultrain1632]

Probably grand priest level

[@AyoGamerTV]

If Goku turned ultra instinct he would have destroyed broly

[@youngdrako3033]

But broly would have cought on

[@yovecx6407]

@@youngdrako3033 no he wouldn't

[@youngdrako3033]

Well only ssbk and ssbevolution

[@shawnmurray50]

@@youngdrako3033 Nah whis is pulling some ui moves on broly before gogeta pops up at some point and he didn't adapt to that either.

[@DBacon240]

Swizz lol, while I think he would have put up a good fight, the only time UI worked was VS kefla, it failed both times VS jiren. Now I dont know if broly is weaker or stronger then jiren, but I'm pretty sure hes somewhat close to his level. So I think it's safe to assume mui would run out before he could finish the fight.

[@calebstephens6059]

Imagine if Gogeta gets ultra instinct.

[@DarthLord-5000]

The entire universe would be erased just from the kamehameha's.

[@damianpriest196]

Jiren is stronger than Broly. MUI stronger than Gogeta. I think it’s pretty obvious.

[@dangerdave21dumb79]

luca14t Fusions make it weaker doesn't it?

[@dangerdave21dumb79]

Jonah Trill If you say it is pretty obvious full power is not actually gonna work.

[@metallord7504]

Its good to see mid 20s classic dragon ballz fans then seeing 12 yearolds

[@nilsoncuz8943]

We don't know if jiren if strongest then broly I think broly is stronger than jiren they need to fight tho so we know who stronger

[@sibl4689]

Broly got clapped by a ssb fusion if goku went mui he would have gotten deleted

[@carsonhartnett1105]

Bro honestly seth the programer is the goat, love seeing him on these debates Edit: kinda forgot MJ was in this video

[@disposable_hero1725]

more like Seth The NoNamer

[@carsonhartnett1105]

KingOne how, he still is prominent in the community and is well trusted by geekdom

[@Kobalt_Rax_the_one]

He is good over all i guess but he dose make big mistakes too imo , like that old broly vid where he is put above fussion reborn power levels or Jiren is above all gods of destruction ? c'mon

[@deadtheories4170]

Shaggy with his 1% power 😎 clearly.

[@bruceasiandude8979]

Dead Theories if he stopped restraining 1% of his power, then everything is destroyed

[@sarthakkarkera]

When are this jokes going to get old. I'm tired of this stupid jokes

[@dripkuz]

@@sarthakkarkera don't make me call shaggy

[@dripkuz]

@Asgore 9001 who says his level cap is infinity?

[@PexceI]

@Asgore 9001 yall tripping. "100% of his power" is actually his 0.0000000000001% power, even lower. But we dont have enough digits

[@aubhrochakravorty3331]

Gogeta's base form is stronger than goku and vegeta's ssb combined 😂. Gogeta ssb would murder ui goku.

[@aubhrochakravorty3331]

@Zyperium bruh watch the fight again, goku and vegeta had to retreat in their ssjb form against broly ssj1 and gogeta kept up in his base with a smile on his face.💀

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

@@aubhrochakravorty3331 Gogeta actually got the upper hand on broly with just basic SS1 alone meaning his SS1 is thousands of times stronger than gokus blue and these idiots think Mui goku is stronger

[@aubhrochakravorty3331]

@@JJJJ-he8bz yeah, gogeta ssj2 can easily give mui goku a run for his money. Even broly with all the zenkai boost he got from his fight will make him go toe to toe with mui easily.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

@@aubhrochakravorty3331 I think his lower super sayain forms clap Mui. Moro arc beats Mui in base

[@bidensniffed.myballs6894]

silly to even say

[@cameronpuckett8679]

I thought this was a dokkan card comparison 😂😂

[@alexiavya722]

Cameron Puckett 😂 lmao understandable

[@BngelKazam]

I thought it was a xv2 one lol

[@renegade_9173]

😂😂 Gogeta blue all the way as far as dokkan goes

[@jaggy_boi]

Well if this was dokkan no question gogeta blue🤣

[@wiserlegacy3017]

until we get either an LR MUI Goku and LR Gogeta Blue, then currently Gogeta Blue takes it over MUI Goku.

[@davidsawyers8754]

MUI > SSGSSB Gogeta. It isnt so much a power but what the stasis of what MUI does for the fighter.

[@jahtheplug.no5021]

Do you know how the fusion dance works at all

[@tylerdavis5701]

You used the word stasis incorrectly

[@SilentKilla574]

You're the same guys who must've also thought SSJ3 Goku could've beaten Vegito back in DBZ as well😂the same stupid debate. Gogeta Blue > MUI Goku. Jiren overpowered him twice before running out of stamina and even knocked him out for a few seconds with a Ki blast. he could've finished him off but killing isnt allowed in the rules😉

[@neonit5970]

BlueGeta>>>>>>>>Goku MUI

[@TheTwelfthCollector]

Calling it SSGSSB is covering all bases on the SSGSS vs SSB debate.

[@Galaxia405]

Broly with proper training could probably be the strongest (sans Zeno) since he basically began to level up his skills for the first time ever in his life which already put him above Goku and Vegeta who have been training all over the place

[@xvoidxhunter2129]

The problem with Goku's statements in regards to Beerus is the level Beerus is supposed to be at is constantly getting higher. He went from initial God Goku being contestable with a suppressed Beerus to Beerus sweating at the idea of fighting Blue Kaioken x10 Goku in the U6 arc to where we are now where Beerus is still vaguely stronger or equal to Goku even still. It's weird to be sure

[@JetFireX]

theres no point in trying to powerscale in super

[@lynxfresh5214]

Agreeded, I like Beerus (in fact he's my favourite character introduced in DBS era) but he's honestly a power scale plot device... :/

[@NightmareGamer109]

This is so true it hurts

[@someguyonline6027]

SteelViper that is appeal to ignorance which is such a sad normie argument which EVEN in dragon ball z they even talk about in the video so suck it!🤣

[@ant3602]

Said no true db fan ever

[@brolybanderas42]

Why not? Explain it with detail, you just made a claim, now prove it.

[@Uryū_Ishida3]

*Farmer with a shotgun is stronger than both*

[@Cookie-gw1vv]

This needs to die already .-.

[@kingleeq4561]

Ha ha ha My man 👏👏

[@roundrobin9597]

Shaggy could beat them at 0.17% of his power

[@iamjustlegs]

HEY YOU! Genius Farmer, GENIUS!

[@dragkuneesaku5419]

@@roundrobin9597- You are wrong boi. Shaggy has no real powerd lol. UI doesnt give powers. UI Goku beats UI Shaggy and Gogeta Blue also beats UI Shaggy. Heck I could be UI Shaggy.

[@bigTOP120]

Mannnnn this a good video bro keep up the good work brother ☝

[@crichton397]

11:17 Save this. Put this in EVERY video. Dragonball fans need to hear this.

[@theknoxcrew1040]

Before all you nitpicking people come out, they said heroes was a (minor argument). Ok?

[@flexmedia8576]

Can people stop comparing Vegito Blue (Future Trunks Arc), and Gogeta Blue (Post TOP)? It's not even close. Think of the Zen Kai boosts Vegeta and Goku got in the TOP.

[@travis10ist]

Exactly. Dont bother, most people brain are dead.

[@UltimatewarriorYT-hh9hg]

Ikr vegito fans be like "HURDUR Vegetto surpassed WHIZ"

[@FlexRaptorGodofDinos]

Vegito is the better fusion regardless because it's done with the potara. But vegito in the goku black arc would get wrecked by post TOP gogeta. If they were both post TOP vegito would win.

[@imNear]

Nathan Kennedy No, did you look at the jump magazine? “Two equally matched trump cards.” Neither one of the fusions is inferior.

[@imNear]

Goku Black Mastered Utra instinct They are equal in power and neither is inferior.

[@Tatsumaki_Uchiha]

Just yall wait till Broly trains with goku 😈 souls will be harvested sir

[@FlOWBOOLIN]

If they give Goku some asspull to make him stronger than broky

[@FlOWBOOLIN]

*broly

[@Tatsumaki_Uchiha]

@@FlOWBOOLIN 😂 I'd be fine with that. I just want broly to stay relevant and hang with the squad in terms of power

[@FlOWBOOLIN]

That’s true

[@theofiloshatzigiannis5308]

@@FlOWBOOLIN By your logic everything they achieve is asspull

[@ACE-777.]

People heavily sleep on Broly. He went from not being ssj level, to being above SSGSS in his base. Then quickly caught up to Gogeta, imagine if he actually trained. Every power level they hit, Broly quickly followed and overcame, but going SSJ2 to SSGSS Gogeta was to much of a gap, and he got absolutely speed blitzed before he can start adapting. Now I assume since he knows those power levels and went above ssgss in his base, he no longer needs to adapt, his base is forever gonna be ssgss level, so imagine once he trains and learns how to use his power, its over for almost everyone. I'm kinda glad they did it this way, to show he needs to get stronger too, if they didn't, they would have had to kill him.

[@MrSpardas]

Ultra instinct aint mastered until goku can sleep with it casually switched on. Like he did with SS1 in the build up to the cell games.

[@JohnMichael-kt1ro]

yup gogeta can outlast gokus mui, plus gogeta is physically stronger than mui goku

[@rolcanverty98]

@@JohnMichael-kt1ro nope

[@JohnMichael-kt1ro]

@@rolcanverty98 explain

[@Superlalo_1]

NX-Inferno Physically? I don’t think so

[@ImJustJonnY.]

NX-Inferno how

[@JemerZChannel]

he was stated to be stronger than the god of his universe. Im pretty sure it was never ALL of them.

[@danielspencer5908]

You're right, these nerds don't know what they're talking about and they think they're some sort of authority over power rankings.

[@romeogold1119]

He was stated to be probably stronger than beerus implying the possibilty he isnt ya nerds.

[@Titankiller-fz4tn]

But Beerus is the strongest god of destruction

[@newwavedave112]

@@romeogold1119 do you know what the word probably means? Goku said the probability that Broly is stronger than beerus is greater than the probability that beerus is stronger than broly. In other words, brolys chance of being stronger than beerus is greater. Understand?

[@conorphelan9004]

Whis said he was stronger than a god of destruction, and by ‘a’ he might mean his, or beerus and beerus is the strongest god of destruction if we go by the battle that all the gods of destruction

[@glarenegade]

now mind you jiren was in the tournament of power he can't kill others so he has to hold back.

[@thorthegodofthunder4214]

Jiren did go full power and he even showed it he had to to beat goku but in the end he lost and goku and Frieza won

[@khosta6690]

Yeah but when he got mad he gave it his all to try killing Goku, he was like fuck it

[@shushsumo]

Goku couldnt kill either so it works both ways

[@jacobfn9719]

ultra instinct goku Jiren didn’t win the fight though. MUI was techinally stronger but his the mui toll is so strong.

[@Superjake789]

ヅItsTotallyJMP actually mui goku was holding back from the kamehameha if goku went full power he would destroy the tournament

[@generalsagmandia8239]

Personally, I believe that Ultra Instinct has a weakness. The ability to attack and defend without thinking about it is limited by how fast your limbs can move (your speed). Your speed is dependent on your power level. In other words, if someone is faster than you, even if you block without thinking about it, your enemy's attack will still hit you because their speed is faster than yours. This is why the Grand Priest (who knows UI) has one of the top 5 battle powers in all the universes. This means having UI is not enough - you still need to have a high power level to use it correctly. This is why if UI Goku fought Whis, Whis would beat him easily. Whis has a higher power level (and therefore higher speed) than Goku. Both of them move without thinking, but Whis's limbs can move faster than Goku's and Goku loses. Sooo...basically, if Gogeta Blue has a higher power level than UI Goku, he will beat him.

[@sharifali2486]

Bro Jiren has way more high power level than goku , according to your logic then MUI goku will not be able to defeat him but he defeated him birather 😄

[@generalsagmandia8239]

@@sharifali2486 Actually, no. Whis told Goku and Vegeta that they don't fight at their true potential because they think before they move. This means their fighting speed is slower than it should be. When you combine Goku unlocking his true fighting speed along with the power boost UI gave him, it makes sense that Goku would beat him easily. In other words, once Goku achieved MUI, his power level was *higher* than Jiren's - so he won.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

@@generalsagmandia8239 CUI goku is stronger but Gogeta wins i can explain why

[@generalsagmandia8239]

@@LavaCreeperPeople Okaaay? How?

[@deadtrollz6533]

@@generalsagmandia8239 Read the manga bro Goku has already mastered ultra instinct Lol

[@andrewwilson2382]

They didnt have to "see Broly crush those limits" bc goku and vegeta both agreed they *together* couldnt handle broly at all so they HAD to fuse.

[@ericstaples7220]

They didn't even try to fuse against Jiren.

[@commentstealer4460]

@@ericstaples7220 because they would still lose

[@ericstaples7220]

@@commentstealer4460 If that were true, they wouldn't have bothered fighting him individually either, but they did.

[@commentstealer4460]

@@ericstaples7220 lol or the writers wanted goku to beat jiren . But ofc mui is stronger than fusion . Because as we know ssb kk ×20 is nothing to jiren that even in his surpressed state managed to make goku kkx20 blue look like krillin but mui goku made jiren full power look like krillin! Jiren the mortal above a hakaishin . Jiren even needed to powerup beyond his full power to stand a chance . that means that mui multiplier is so op and huge . Kkx20 and ssbe vegeta didn't do shit to a supressed jiren . That alone shows how much of a powerup UI is . Ssb gogeta wouldn't win vs jiren . Ssb gogeta might be as strong ( vegeta ssbe + goku kkx20)

[@ericstaples7220]

@@commentstealer4460 Goku didn't beat Jiren, though. And Broly shurgged off attacks from Mastered SSB Goku as well.

[@defusion1078]

I think we need more screen time for both of the forms to really judge who’s stronger

[@BruceWillis57]

9:10 it really wasnt weird seeing goku and vegeta flee to fuse. Broly was rapidly growing in power and showing no signs of slowing down, as well as becoming increasingly unstable. They had to do something that would finish the fight quick before Broly blew up the planet

[@narutosensei77]

I'm pretty sure when they're talking about the strongest of the strongest there specifically talking about between this the Saiyan race which is the strongest of the last remaining Saiyan race

[@somenoob2147]

Ok so I wanted to bring my idea which is sorta a counterpoint to this video but not really since I’m just saying why I think gogeta blue is stronger than MUI goku and also my knowledge on dragon ball is a little rusty so please comment flaws on this hypothesis Ok first I think we all know that: Ssj is 50x base Ssj2 is 100xbase (2x ssj) Ssj3 is 400x base (4x ssj2) Also apparently gogeta base is also equal to ssb goku so we will have that as our guidelines Now let’s do the math Gogeta ssj is now equal to 50x ssb goku I’m pretty sure that alone should speak for itself but I’m sure one of you guys or gals who might respond to this comment might say that’s not enough so let’s assume that gogeta can go ssj2 and ssj3 before we go to really BIGG numbers If what I heard is correct then gogeta ssj3 would be 400x stronger than ssb goku!!!! Now surely that should be way stronger than ultra instinct but we’re not done yet. Although we don’t have exact numbers for ssg and ssb we do know the difference in power from the very first saga where goku in ssj 3 could do NOTHING and beerus Dodged everything with ease but with ssg goku held his own I REPEAT he went from being defeated in ONE BLOW to landing solid hits on the god of destruction. Now imagine if that power boost given to gogeta is now x50 That’s the power of ssb gogeta blue but I do understand that power levels are funky in dbs so I have an alternative Option 2: Let’s say that gogeta is an equation which is Gogeta=goku+vegeta Let’s also say that best case scenario for MUI, vegeta only has a power level of one which means the equation is now Gogeta=goku+1 Goku is just Goku=goku Do you see the problem here? No matter how strong goku is gogeta will always be that strong+1 and now what if vegeta is relatively equal to goku meaning gogeta is pretty much goku times 2 So it should be theoretically impossible to have a weaker goku with one higher transformation match a stronger goku after T.O.P with the added power of Vegeta making him twice as strong and only having one less transformation Anyways that was my ramble thank you for reading this comment,don’t take it personally as I’m definitely not an expert and something I wrote is bound to be wrong so yeah that was my opinion

[@adolessons6219]

Finally someone said it! And of course this comment will be overlooked. The only thing I have to argue in your point is base gogeta scaling to ssb Goku. Broly was basically wiping the floor with Goku and Vegeta blue by the time they were ready to fuse. If gogeta scales to Goku blue at base he would have much more of an issue with broly than he did before he went ssj. Granted gogeta did go ssj almost immediately but if you remember before going ssj gogeta knocks away and Dodges broly's blasts without any look of worry or that he might be in trouble. Granted I'm not saying base gogeta is leagues above ssb Goku (not that I would be surprised if he was because he should be) but with what we were shown I wholeheartedly think it's safe to say base gogeta is stronger than ssb Goku

[@2415nenechulo]

I still take into consideration that gogeta didnt break not one sweat. so we didnt get to see his full power. It was a piece of cake for him. And in the movie, whis was all gassed up too when he saw the fusion

[@dusancurcic8250]

It was stated that Gogeta showed a glimpse of his true power and Broly hang in there with him for quite some time

[@Noctis59]

Dusan Curcic a glimpse is fucking nothing. That’s like a grain of sand in a beach

[@sittienakan1594]

yeah but whis and all the other gods were shocked to when they saw mui goku you could argue that even beerus and plus if you look at whis's reaction you could see him so thrilled

[@benjaminbethel5640]

Why do people keep saying jiren is stronger than all of the gods of destruction when it really said that he is stronger than his god of destruction which is belmod. Also people wil alsol say whis said that jiren is stronger than all of the gods of destruction but I like I said before he was only saying jiren is stronger than belmod.

[@elitezenkai9435]

Didn't beerus shit his pants when jiren barely powered up and give a standing ovation to mui goku who is right next to jiren in power and in guides it was stated there is a mortal not even a god of destruction can defeat

[@REMIEL532]

that's only in manga but not in anime.

[@benjaminbethel5640]

@@elitezenkai9435 ok buddy seems like you didn't read all of my comment. The guide said jiren is stronger than his god of destruction belmod not all even whis said "he might be powerful than a god of destruction" notice whis said "a" not all.

[@bevlaird3011]

Isn't belmod the strongest god of destruction or the second strongest

[@bevlaird3011]

Nevermine belmod is the strongest god of destruction i just searched it up

[@cotton1204]

If you’re gonna sit here and pull information for your argument from “Super Dragon Ball Heros” then clearly y’all have no idea what you’re saying.

[@Vexcation]

What other proof do we have to go off of? Jiren far surpasses broly at his current power and battle techniques and Mui beat the shit out of Jiren, broly has more potential for sure but gogeta blue had used one of his most powerful attacks that we know of, Going off of the broly movie is almost the same as going off of hero's.

[@cotton1204]

Wolf Heart cx Super Dragon Ball Hero’s isn’t canon. That’s why we reference the Broly movie, because it’s canon. Duh.

[@Vexcation]

@@cotton1204 They are going of the Anime for MUI goku, The movie isn't the anime, nor is sdbh

[@hankwiththedrip9338]

Your Profile pic made my day bro

[@WestlyFPS]

But remember Hokusai can go MUI and he is a farmer with... A SHOTGUN

[@bigb2610]

Omariwa Shidirou Shotgun!!

[@jordanjohnson9446]

Mr popo would rekt him

[@ultrainstinctgrey9184]

UI goku and jiren destroyed a platform when they fought, gogeta and broly broke reality when they fought

[@Ramona122003]

And UI Goku and Jiren both shook an infinite void.

[@Mike-mb9pr]

Both of those feats are really dumb and don't make sense tbh

[@TheTyphoon365]

MUI Goku and Full Power Jiren didn't have that reality to break, they weren't already in an Infanite realm void of any material, and MUI Goku still had an effect of the area "shaking it", even Super Boo has ripped through a dimension before.

[@FatMCSteve]

I'd personally say Gogeta, but there's no definitive answer. It also depends on who wins between Jiren and Broly. If Broly were to be at least near Jiren, then that would mean that Gogeta slaps Goku since Jiren put up a way better fight against Goku than Broly did against Gogeta. We also don't know if Gogeta was going all-out against Broly either. So it's still in air

[@StayEzay2]

To be honest Gogeta was technically not a full power. Remember Goku and Vegeta were help and tired before they fused. So how can Gogeta even be at full power if both of his fuses were like at 50% health

[@FatMCSteve]

Denwels That's a false argument, UI Goku got slapped by Jiren when he first powered up, proving that UI Goku can be beaten if the opponent is strong enough regardless whether of not they have UI.

[@anthonyargueta131]

broly isnt around jiren tho. Jiren in a super suppressed form was stated to surpass GOD level and goku said broly may be stronger than beerus

[@deadtheories4170]

@Denwels that is the dumbest argument ever

[@rayz639]

Jiren>>>>Broly tho.

[@Mystic_EliteX]

I can't wait to see ultra Instinct vs Moro animated omg... 😍😍😍😍

[@dallasneedsamedicbag8208]

Yh lol it was just sad for him

[@anthonycurtis4849]

In terms of strength, I'd say Gogeta is stronger. But MUI has the speed and reflexes hands down.

[@marvin6119]

And ki, don't forget the ki pool on fudion

[@selfmadetjh8889]

Exactly

[@eduardocruz4771]

Jiren says in thr game that fusion is nonsense

[@selfmadetjh8889]

@@eduardocruz4771 yup, that's why goku had to use UI against a kefla's ssj2 fusion

[@drum9933]

Trae Hannah kefla didn’t even touch ui goku

[@JoJoEnglish]

I honestly think that you have to measure each individual seperately. Goku is always meant to be the "strongest" in the dragonball universe. Logically speaking The untapped power of Goku who is the strongest combined with vegita who we know is always on the heel of goku when it comes to power... Has to be without a doubt more powerful than any one of them as an individual. Gogeta Is the ultimate trump card. You can't tell me that in a 40 minute fight or a tournament fight, that Gogeta wouldn't evolved as fast a single Goku. If Gogeta went UI or Mastered UI then it would be a no contest match because Goku/vegeta fusion combines to make one entity.

[@Zerefas0]

Jojo English well guess what gogeta hasn't went ui so too bad.

[@landendrake8131]

Yeap I've been saying just this for the longest.

[@supergoat1507]

No vegito love?

[@supergoat1507]

@@juku7003 how df would gohan be the strongest? Goku could get his power unleashed

[@nagesemagify]

@@supergoat1507 Because it was stated long ago that Gohan has unrivaled potential and that if he were to ever really train that he would be far stronger than Goku and vegeta but the writers always move around this fact because they'd rather stick to Goku being the strongest.

[@Cookie-gw1vv]

(Off topic of the video) Broly being durable af makes complete sense. The *only* reason Broly didn't go down so easily is because he is a legendary saiyan "THAT'A HEAD CANON BS STFU FANBOY" Stfu and listen. We've seen 2 other legendary Saiyan so far and they are Kale and Kefla. Both Kale and Kefla have tanked hits that should've ended any other person that wasn't God level. Berserk Kale Tanked and WALKED THROUGH a (not even weakened yet) Goku Blue's Kamehameha. When UI Goku first fought Jiren, he landed a knee straight to jiren's gut and Jiren had a shocked/pained look. Also that form was powerful enough to get Jiren to actually try to the smallest degree and even then that's impressive since it's Jiren. (Second Omen is MUCH more powerful than Omen) Kefla stated TWICE that the hits she got from UI Goku (Second omen) were "pretty wimpy". No i am not implying that Kefla is more durable than Jiren. It's that Legendary Saiyans are *insanely* durable and the fact that Broly lasted so long against Gogeta isn't bull sh*t like most people are claiming.

[@allforonetv7176]

NONONO it was stated ui goku hits were weak Becuase he didn't have stamina plus the transformation was running out

[@aresyadamnskippy5824]

Ppl act like gogeta is one guy lol.

[@Cookie-gw1vv]

@@allforonetv7176 No again, his hits were "weak" because he couldn't fully utilize UI when he switched to offensive. But Second Omen was STILL many many many times stronger than Omen.

[@allforonetv7176]

Yeah that too but it seems like when he switched to offensive he can be hit

[@gravyd316]

But the Gogeta Broly fight was short. He beat the breaks out of him in less than thirty minutes. Idk Broly went down pretty easily IMO. He didn't seem durable at all.

[@bvici22]

They messed up the fusion twice Piccolo says wait 30mins and try again... So Frieza got his ass kicked for a minimum of 60mins 😂

[@sageqrt9053]

Still he tries to kill broly's friends in the end of movie , with his death beam 😂😂

[@БахытжамалНурмуханова]

Wrong. After fusion dance defuses, you have to wait for 1 hour. So it was 3 hours.

[@bvici22]

@@БахытжамалНурмуханова about 1year to late and your wrong if they messed up the fusion dance twice by your logic it would be 2hours not 3hours. Next is if the fusion actually only last 30minutes they can try after they defuse in 30minutes 🤦

[@younggod4202]

Gogeta is stronger. No questions. Vegito in the Buu Saga was stronger than SSJ3 Goku by miles in his BASE form. Gogeta after the TOP in his base would probably be stronger than God Goku. Gogeta is Goku and Vegeta FUSED and MULTIPLIED! As stated in the movie. MUI Goku by himself wouldn’t make any sense to be stronger than Gogeta.

[@younggod4202]

Limit Breaking Subliminals It was stated by Gogeta himself in the movie that “our powers aren’t JUST added together but significantly multiplied”

[@darkice3267]

Yes. Gogeta In his Base form was stronger than SSB Goku

[@vovabars1234]

Lol dude.Buu saga or not,Fusion is still combining bases.It's base is stronger than SSJ3 indeed,but it would make no sense if fusion's multipler would just became stronger out of nowhere

[@vovabars1234]

@@younggod4202 well duh thats how fusion work. But explain me whats MUI has to do with that. Fusion is not Strongest form×Strongest form,it is Base×Base and on top of that we add form mutipliers

[@younggod4202]

Вова Барс What are you trying to prove here? I never said anything about strongest form x strongest form. Nor did I mention anything you’re talking about. I’m using common powerscaling sense. Let’s use your example. Gogeta in his base is stronger than both SSB Goku and Vegeta. Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier. We don’t know what Super Saiyan Blue’s multiplier is but it’s way past SSJ so adding that multiplier plus the fusion multiplier would be larger than any power boost MUI gives Goku.

[@dylonkrouse2951]

Hey Geekdom I was wondering what your thoughts were on the whole Vic Mignogna controversy. It's really f**ked up. Broly will never be the same without Vic. Not to mention the other characters he voices. Like so Daddy Geek can see

[@alejandromomota6934]

The Paleblood Hunter lol of course you’d side with monica

[@thatsthexd257]

@@alejandromomota6934 i dont think he is siding with Monica, hes saying that geekdom sides with monica

[@PatsDynasty]

Vic was not good

[@thatsthexd257]

@@PatsDynasty u got any proof of that ?

[@PatsDynasty]

That's The XD yea it’s called dragon ball super Broly. He’s not good that voice acting was severely underwhelming those weak ass screams

[@noodlecrackza720]

I just wanna point something out here. First, you say that Goku and Vegeta individually are stronger in Super Broly than their Tournament of Power versions, and they would murk them. When Goku and Vegeta fuse, they become stronger than their individual parts. They also have the rival boost so that makes them even stronger. So somehow, a Tournament of Power Goku, which you said was already weaker than Goku on his own, defeats a fusion which is many times stronger than Goku during Super Broly? That doesn't make much sense. I personally think that Gogeta would win.

[@mathze]

It's not _any_ ToP Goku. It's MUI Goku. A legendary technique that grants you extraordinary speed and power since your body reacts by itself without needing you to think, therefore using the body's potential to its fullest. I dunno if you noticed, but the difference in power between Super Saiyan Blue and regular UI was enormous. And the difference between UI and MUI was also enormous. This comparison reminds me of the comparison between Vegito/Gogeta in any of their Super Saiyan forms against Super Saiyan God. Goku himself stated that not even Vegito would be able to match Beerus. So SSG>Vegito/Gogeta. It works the same way with UI Goku and Jiren. I don't think the difference is as large, but SSB and UI are on two entirely different tiers, the same way SSG is on a different tier from regular Super Saiyan forms, and MUI is on an even higher tier as well. MUI Goku wins.

[@noodlecrackza720]

I do agree that MUI Goku is insanely powerful, but I do still think that SB Goku is more powerful than ToP MUI Goku. So if SB Goku fuses with a SB Vegeta, then Gogeta would be much more powerful than ToP MUI Goku. Also, if Goku having ultra instinct is your argument as to why Goku would beat Gogeta, then I don't think it works. Ultra instinct is a technique (as used in dragon ball) where a fighter lets his body fight and isn't held back by his/her thoughts. This doesn't mean the person cannot be caught and hit. Jiren still managed to damage Goku MUI. Also, I don't think it would make sense for Goku to be stronger than a fusion he's a part of. Because it's taking all of the strength he's putting into the fusion, combining it with Vegeta's, and multiplying it. So I do think Gogeta SB would beat a ToP MUI Goku.

[@112yroldaang8]

Haku Ok so ur not gonna like this but I firmly believe not only that Broly is stronger than Jiren, but also that Gogeta blue slaps both Jiren and MUI Goku under all circumstances and here’s why(this is gonna be lengthy so just here me out please): Ok, so we know from the fact that because Goku and Vegeta ran from Broly and Goku only believed that fusion would work, and NOT kiaoken or blue evo, we can safely confirm that REGULAR ssj Broly can body ssbkk20 Goku and Vegeta. This is something that Jiren actually did in the tournament, even with 17 in the mix. I don’t believe another blue lvl fighter would’ve mattered if Goku only thought of fusing to beat Broly, so SSJ Broly or Jiren > Goku, Vegeta, and 17. They fuse and Gogeta appears, and in BASE form Gogeta effortlessly evades all of Broly’s attacks. This can confirm to us that Base Gogeta dominates blue lvl fighters like Goku, Vegeta, and 17. Keep in mind, Jiren had to power up to his full power state to do this, so that means that SSJ Broly and Bass Gogeta are comparable to THAT full power Jiren, not the real full power Jiren against UI. However, Gogeta turns SSJ, and Broly barely even lands a successful hit on SSJ Gogeta, if he even did at all. Such effortlessness can even mean that this Gogeta was suppressed and not completely seriously. But SSJ Gogeta dominates SSJ Broly who I confirmed is relative to suppressed full power Jiren. The only other person who seemed to actually dominate this Jiren is 3rd UI Goku. SSJ GOGETA is >~= 3rd UI Goku. Later, Broly turns LSSJ(or full power), and BODIES SSJ Gogeta, and Gogeta chooses to, in order to body Broly again, SKIP SSJ2, SSJ3, and SSJ god. This means that LSSJ Broly is WITHOUT A DOUBT, stronger than Real Full Power Jiren AND 3rd UI Goku. So the only way that Jiren won’t get DOMINATED by LSSJ Broly, is if he goes Limit Breaker, which is exactly what MUI Goku did to Jiren. So LSSJ is ROUGHLY equal to MUI Goku in raw strength, which PROVES that it is more than likely true that Broly is stronger than Jiren and POSSIBLY Beerus. But once Gogeta turns Blue, Broly lost without even landing a single hit on Gogeta, and he didn’t even break a sweat while doing it. So guess what. In raw power, Suppressed Blue Gogeta DOMINATES Jiren and MUI Goku under all circumstances. Thank you so much to anyone who made it all the way here, and I hope this puts into perspective why I believe that Broly is most likely stronger than Jiren, and Blue Gogeta is definitely stronger than MUI and Limit Breaker Jiren, from using basic comparative power scaling of DBS Broly and the Tournament of Power. Hope this helps anybody understand.

[@Gouki24s_]

@@112yroldaang8 it makes sense tbf but I do believe Beerus is still the strongest. I think only fusions have a shot at beating him until proven otherwise you know?

[@wanilimbe]

@@Gouki24s_ Yea I believe it’s Jiren < Broly < MUI Goku < Gogeta Blue < Beerus < UI or MUI Gogeta

[@jacobbhattacharjee2820]

Broly : Hahahahha I'm canon now nothing can stop me Gogeta : Allow me introduce myself

[@dug4095]

I think MUI goku is stronger imo

[@CruiserDynasty]

whats a mui is that the level after Ulta instinct?

[@XOXNX_]

Gamer Guy yh

[@KaiserBob99]

@@CruiserDynasty MUI is just a stupid fanmade name for the final version of Ultra Instinct.

[@Toothpaste0000]

ShadowX-dug37 that’s not true

[@KaiserBob99]

@@luminousxii No, the name of the form is just Ultra Instinct. No "mastered" in it.

[@abandoned9476]

Farmer with a shotgun could beat them all

[@thehelmet6325]

Truth

[@BngelKazam]

Fr

[@lancetheking7524]

no, ULTRA INSTINCT CHUCK NORRIS

[@thehelmet6325]

@@lancetheking7524 who are u girl or boy

[@benwiseman7667]

:)

[@victorserras]

We have never seen Gogeta blue using his full power, the comparison can’t be made

[@selfmadetjh8889]

Lmao there is no possible way mui goku could be stronger than gogeta blue. Base gogeta is equal to that ssb goku, If not stronger. Just imagine the multiplier from base to blue with gogeta. We have yet to see gogeta blue use his full power but I doubt MUI goku could just straight out beat him. He may be faster than ssb gogeta but not stronger. Ppl sleep on fusions power frfr. Why do u think goku had to use UI against ssj2 Kefla like come on

[@connoc5078]

You can't exactly power scale the movie well. Base Goku was as strong as SSG vegeta according to how well they both did at that part of the fight. Since when has people slept on the fusions? lol people constantly big them up.

[@selfmadetjh8889]

@@connoc5078 That's true I was just referencing theroectical terms. Ofc the movie was mainly just for entertaining purposes and goku needed his spot light for more screentime. We all know base goku is no match for ssg vegeta.

[@jaquan3106]

@@selfmadetjh8889 boi potara gogeta wasn't enough to beat base cumber so mui is stronger

[@selfmadetjh8889]

@@jaquan3106okay 1st of all db heroes and hella non cannon and the power scaling on that show is almost 100% retarded. I'm also 100% sure tht was vegito fighting cumber not gogeta

[@smickothesmickest]

In that Dyspo episode they kept going speed of light speed of light Isn't that the same as that Blue Guys quote the Blue Guy in the Ginyu Force?

[@LurveyBeazer1]

This is the problem I have with power scaling. Though I agree with the final decision, there was way too much maybe’s or if’s in this video. Things I was hoping to hear things like Broly is relative in strength to the Gods of Destruction (GoD) because both GoD Toppo and Broly were able to destroy Golden Frieza with ease (if this was said and I didn’t hear it I apologize but I watched the whole video and didn’t hear that). You can even go further and strengthen that argument by saying Frieza thought he could control Toppo’s destruction orb just as he thought he could control Broly but he was clearly wrong in both of those situations. Those are feats that happened both in the show and movie. Saying things like oh the characters in the stand used power scaling during the ToP but not in the movie, hold no merit because those same characters were not present in the movie during the fight. Or saying oh why did neither Goku or Vegeta not mention Jiren? Well why did Beerus not get mentioned or Toppo or even Hit? Because it didn’t matter. Either way, I actually like both STP and Geekdom’s content and think you guys do the best power scaling around. Sorry MJ but I haven’t watched your videos just yet, I’ll get around too it lol

[@brendankelly2653]

Toppo defeated Frieza much quicker than Broly did, even then Toppo held back because of the rules. Broly raged Frieza for over an hour and still couldn't drop him out of his Golden Form bro, much as I love Broly, he is inaccurately portrayed as being way more powerful than anyone Goku and Vegeta ever fought. Even though Whis is far more superior than MUI Goku, Ultra Instinct is still able to dodge Broly's attacks with little effort. Gogeta eventually started eventually dominated Broly, MUI Goku will beat him right away. I'm only assuming though 👌

[@musicvibing6243]

1:25 Is jiren wearing a BTS hat? 😃

[@im_the_dash8843]

Well let’s remember, the UI form was temporary, and we don’t know how long it lasted against Jirin in the final battle in the tournament of power, and because time works very very, very, complicated in Dragon Ball we can’t say MUI Goku will win, because Gogeta could win by time. The other thing is that we don’t proof that Gogeta or even Vegito, could use the Kioken. In truth we really don’t have enough evidence to really truly declare a winner.

[@112yroldaang8]

You can’t say that about kioken, because it’s been proven that any technique or transformation that only one counterpart knows, it’s enough for the fusion to do the same thing. That’s like saying we can’t prove that DBZ Vegito could go ssj 3 which he could. And also I can actually prove that Gogeta blue dominates LB Jiren and MUI with simple power scaling if you’d like to hear(while also proving that Broly is FAR stronger than ppl give him credit for).

[@im_the_dash8843]

Devyn Jackson well I don’t remember that but there are a few things that I don’t remember so I’ll have to look into that and remind myself about it, but now the new question is. How high of a multiplier can they make with the kaioken?

[@112yroldaang8]

Lightning Omnislash Most likely x20 like Goku, but I’d never be surprised if Goku, Vegito, or Gogeta went higher.

[@mariogamer6491]

@@112yroldaang8 the reason that MUI is so powerful is because it ignores power differences, making it possible for goku to beat jiren When we dont know either of Gogeta's multipliers, we cant really declare a winner As for kioken, well, let's just say they can use ×15 (likely more but this is enough) they can do what Jiren did and make UI dodge into there attacks, and effectively, either outlast UI, or deplete Goku's stamina enough to finish him (and this is only factoring in Gogeta with kioken ×15, I ignored the rival multiplier as we dont know how large it is, and he can likely go higher with kioken)

[@112yroldaang8]

Mario Gamer 64 You just wrong about MUI and I’ll tell you why with a question, explain this: if all of the angels have MUI by default then how come they are still different from each other power wise and they all still don’t stand a chance against their father, the Grand Priest? I’m not sure whose fault this is for making everyone believe that ultra instinct is just the end all-be all bag of chips but it seriously needs to stop. Maybe it is for Goku, but ultra instinct itself is just that: instinct not Jesus.

[@chrisvandurme925]

Reading all the comments is always fun. I thought it was summarised really well. I don't know why people make the argument that because Gogeta is half Goku, MUI Goku can't possibly be stronger. It's such a stupid one. We don't know what the power increase is from SSB to MUI because even SSBKK was so outmatched by Jiren even fighting along side Vegeta in SSBE. Same goes for SSB Gogeta, Broly doesn't touch him so we can't know the extent of his power. But just the way the other characters interact with the two forms speaks volumes for me. Goku's MUI transformation shakes the world of void and has a standing ovation from all of the Gods. Beerus who was in awe of Goku during the T.O.P whereas he was chilling during Gogeta's appearance. Whis was thrilled and proud to see Goku achieve MUI whereas he casually says "oh look you guys can work together" to Gogeta. The gods strive to achieve Ultra Instinct, yet throw the Potara earrings to Kale and Caulifla like it's nothing. Just the reverence reserved for MUI says wonders at least to me. MUI Goku, more impressive feats and revered by the Gods. I'm gonna go with MUI until Super is back and we see Vegeta with an MUI beating technique.

[@mr.artichoke]

Here's the thing: I too think that MUI is way more hyped up, and definetly more deserving of being stronger. The buildup, execution, reactions, etc. But. Fusion is still another level. First of all, Beerus didn't actually see Gogeta and Broly, he just says "Guess they managed something" after he noticed Brolys power signature vanishing. Whis also called Gogeta's peformance "Truly magnificent", or just subarashii in the sub. Here's the difference in reaction between fusion and MUI. Everyone was so incredibly in awe by Ultra Instinct simply for the fact a mere mortal attained it in such a short time period (remember, the tournamet was only 45 minutes), something that has been absolutely unheard of so far. Meanwhile, Whis very well knows how strong fusion is, so he has no reason to be surprised by their overwhelming display of power in that state. The power scaling thing is an interesting topic. Yeah, Jiren beat up SSJBKK and SSJBE (initial) rather easily, but it's not like it was absolutely nothing for him, he had to power up more , and showed more power than he has before. Here's the thing: People don't have to be 50 times stronger than someone to beat them like it's nothing. Remember, in the Frieza saga, SSJ Goku was only 20% more powerful than FP Frieza in the end, and basically ended the fight with a single gut punch. Furthermore, Gogeta in his SSJ form was already much stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta combined, seeing as he dominated SSJ Broly. If you'd ask me, I'd put Gogeta's SSJ in the range of SSJBKK x10-20 Goku. We have no idea how big the difference between SSJ and SSJB, and the difference between SSJB and MUI is. But if you ask me, it's hard for me to believe that the latter is bigger. I could go more in depth about this power scaling if you want me to, hit me up. I've seen alot of these debates, and see alot of people referencing what people said, such as Goku saying "You might be as strong as Beerus" to Broly, using this to try and prove the point that Broly is much weaker than Jiren, which is a whole nother debate and not the point at all. So sure, I'll quote Goku aswell. Goku literally said "Fusion is our only hope to beat this guy". So uh yeah. Anywho, interested to see your reply, hit me up! Debating is fun.

[@darknessemblemflame3036]

YOOOSSHHHAAA ! I agree with you for the most part. But when you said you put Ssj Gogeta at Ssbkx10-20 I had to stop. Ssj Gogeta is very much beyond both Ssbkx20 Goku and Ssbe Vegeta. I mean the dude in Base is at the literal minimum Blue Level and that’s excluding the fact that he himself stated that his power exceeded Ssb Goku and Vegeta combined in Base