Math Guy Learns the Weighted Straddle Front Lever in 1 Day

[@CarlosGonzalez-lc8tu]

Average guy learns to Kamehameha in 90 days.

[@krazak2863]

Love that mentality of “not letting the disadvantages get into your head.” For people who are similar to geek climber, while it’s true achieving an exercise like the front lever is much harder, the benefits after achieving it is rewarding. So don’t give up, and keep on training.

[@salahdzl7948]

yea I agree with you but there are thing that are just no doable for some people we have to be realistic instead of living in a fairy world when everything is possible with effort. Hope is a good thing thing but it can do a lot of harm

[@krazak2863]

@@salahdzl7948 that is absolutely false in terms of fitness. Any able-body person with enough dedication and training are able to achieve these moves. I’ve seen heavy people, tall people, etc. I’ve seen all the outliers who are able to do it. That ain’t fairy tale. Thats not hope. That’s reality. The human body, at least for able-body people with all four limbs and healthy, is more than capable than you think.

[@yomommashaus]

@@krazak2863 Yeah, and he explained that he probably would have to put on more muscle to do it, based on very valid science and experience. There was a British gymnast who went to the Olympics and I was encouraged because he is my height, 5'10, but I soon realized that he was able to compete against the other shorter gymnasts for one main reason - he was a jacked beast. Anyways, Geek didn't even say that he couldn't do it, just that he won't devote as much time and effort towards it but he will still try. This is a much more reasonable and realistic goal for him it seems.

[@lloydwright3661]

Wdym the whole video is him explaining why he's giving up because of his disadvantages 😅

[@anomaly3215]

​@@krazak2863so the people who have been training it for 7 years and not gotten it?

[@grantnorman1854]

"Intersection of lat pull down and dragon flag is the empty set?" That's the best thing I've seen in a long time. A true legend to use that notation to perfectly convey the argument!!! Its also like discussing whether or not the events occur with independent likelihoods

[@GeekClimber]

You must be a math guy too 😆.

[@thepandali12345]

As an Asian teacher in Australia, I agree that you need to take both ambition and reality checks together in one. I'm not sure what's wrong with the other guy you showed - if you choose not to do something it's your choice, not his. He has no right to tell you or say "oh what a bad influence to not do something and give up". Honestly... Letting go is an important process. We all can only achieve a limited amount in life, as much as we think we can do it all. That's why we should focus on what we can and want to do, and aim for those particular goals!

[@La0bouchere]

I think the other guy just got the wrong impression from the previous video. The way it was edited kind of made it seem that geek climber gave up after he found one reason that the movement was harder. This wasn't what happened but I can see how people would interpret it like that.

[@r.i.pmaple8450]

It’s was a mild misinterpretation. Barkage is a good person and he made a lot of good points. He actually has an average reaction to the video, he really simply doesn’t want geek climber to give up as even though the front lever is harder, it’s still very achievable

[@andersjensen7348]

Late to the party! I think it stems from the fact that it seems like when he finally meets an exercise that is challenging due to his body he makes entire videos to show why its hard for him, when tall people basically have these issues when doing most calisthenics movements lol. Not to bash him or anything, just think that is the reason why people might take offense or whatever you wanna call it

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

It's important to realise when you've become that 40-something year old man living in his van outside Gold's Gym thinking he can still win Mr Olympia in that movie "Bigger Stronger Faster" kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6HQiWuHZdukgas

[@yomommashaus]

@@andersjensen7348 Much later to the party! Possibly, but Geek does tend to try harder than the majority of people I know on specific exercises, and without sacrificing his climbing physique. People over 6 feet tall don't post videos of them failing planche because... they failed lol. Maybe there are some and I'll eat my words but I doubt it! edit: there are many over 6ft facepalm... but I still think Geek is justified :p

[@niuguoningful]

This reminds me of something Albert Ok said. The most important thing is “being the best climber you can be by being who you are”. I love how you utilize your unique personality and strengths to find your own way towards continual improvement. Keep on making these awesome videos!

[@danielegan7781]

I MIIISSSS ALBERT OK

[@sergzalez7211]

I've always been incredibly impressed by Geek climber's ability to stick to skills for long periods of time and be relentless with them, front lever is easier for some people than others, the fact that he sees that it's more difficult for him and chooses to move on and continue progressing in other areas is not at all a bad thing, keep at it brother, I really look forward to seeing more handstand videos and seeing you get that handstand press! And if you choose to keep sharing your front lever progress, however slow it may be i would also love to see it.

[@jorreee]

I am also a climber and learned to do the front lever. I am 5ft9 (175cm) and weigh 64kg. I agree with your mathematical approach and think it's very interesting, a nice fresh approach. I do not agree however with not wanting to gain more muscle in the upper body region due to the supposedly negative impact on climbing. If you train on front lever a lot, you will get bigger, stronger lats. Look at top climbers like Alex Megos and Magnus Midtbo, they have very strong and big lats. They both can do front levers, and are really good at it as well. The added strength in your lats can absolutely help you with climbing, especially in overhangs when losing your feet and having to bring them back to the wall. However, if your body limits the amount of muscle you can gain in the lat region, I completely understand not wanting to "force it" by really focusing on nutrition.

[@andreinagy8800]

Adam Ondra and Alex Honnold don't seem to have that big lats. Also Igor from VitruvianPhysique, he is really strong, but because he has big muscles is really bad for him to do climbing, as he stated in one of his videos

[@stas]

In my opinion "just train harder bro" advice makes more sense and is more useful than this... I'm not sure who you're arguing with cause it's pretty obvious that front lever is harder for certain body types. So it's obvious that it'll take you more time and effort to achieve front lever than someone with more favorable body type. You might have to prioritize it over other stuff . You might have to find an experienced coach instead of a cookie cutter program on youtube... This is what "just train harder bro" means. Also , i could understand your cinicism towards the "train harder" advice should you suggest better way, more efficient approach... And finally, in gymnastics front lever is rated A on a scale from A to F where F is the most difficult. So it's not easy but it's far from impossible. And unless you are a 7 feet tall and have tyrannosaurus arms you can definitely achieve it. Where you need it or not, as a climber or in general and how much you want it is another story and totally personal.. So forgive me but besides spicing up your content with some controversy as a marketing strategy I fail to see the point of this quest of yours or how it can be useful for anybody...

[@nd_otd]

I don't think that lats are actually the limiting factor on climbing. I think finger strength and endurance are are much more crucial than the lats. Having stronger and bigger lats could be a disadvantage is finger and grip strength are not strengthened proportionally.

[@nd_otd]

@@stas I think this approach is very valuable tho. It allows you to train not just harder, but also smarter. This way, you're putting in your efforts on the right places by finding out what's the bottleneck that's stopping your progress. I think it's important to have more info than less, so you know where you're currently at. Also, we know that calisthenics progressions sometimes have a huge gap between each other. This new concept would probably be able to bridge those gaps. There's also the sense of progress when you're progressively overloading by reducing the weight after each session or week. Another issue that could be addressed by this new method is the issue with specificity. I think straddle FL with weights is closer to true straddle FL than a half lay straddle.

[@stas]

@@nd_otd in my opinion training smarter in this case would be seeking professional help. front lever is a gymnastics element. gymnastics is an olympic sport that has been with us "for a while" :) there's a ton of research and on hands coaching and training experience in this area. so i'd say trying to invent a wheel based on youtube content and some math would be the opposite of training smart... besides, did I miss the part where some "smarter" approach to train FL was introduced? it's a shame really ... i actually enjoyed this channel where a normal guy was trying stuff and shared his experience... until he decided he's enough knowledge and experience to show how everyone's wrong and to reveal the real secrets of training...

[@jacobjdong]

yo this is literally SO AWESOME. LOVE the discrete math applications and in general engineering approach to helping you do a front lever!! Keep it up sir :)

[@MichaelPennMath]

Great video! I think we both share a love of math and climbing and both ended up on KZbin. I have a math channel where I sometimes have some climbing content. We should do some sort of collaboration!

[@charmetroldendk]

I vote yes. Two great things coming together

[@maxfred1696]

YES! Please do so ☺️

[@GeekClimber]

Wow, I came across your videos a few times before, and I have no idea that you are actually a V12 climber. I would love to collab with you somehow. I will contact you to brainstorm some ideas!

[@SpartaSpartan117]

That's a good place to start

[@alexantone5532]

That’s crazy

[@PifWorks]

The message the gave at the end was just good. Thanks.

[@user-gj6jq5dk4z]

Love your take on this! Using actual factual science instead of arguing against people who simply don't like what you say - it's the best way. Some people will always ingnore science and use their own 1 = n experience and feelings. Keep doing what you do, you're awesome!

[@VovoDoMetal]

Maybe training for the front lever with added weights is a good way to bridge progressions and get more time under tension. I think you might be on to something here, I'll definitely try implementing it

[@Gastonwebbe]

It worked for me

[@mellem4717]

9:53 Understanding science is universal, instead of just eastern philosophy. I really like your approach of analyzing skills with science. Looking forward for more contents presented in such manner.

[@alikhasanov7940]

one guy can say : thank you bro , you covered the theme , i could not understand in my calculus class , i now understand , it has been very helpful for my mid exam

[@neilliu8118]

Good job GEEK,Such a Great video and breakdown. Really impressed by your straightfowardness and honesty. Instead of giving a flowery speech or sugarcoating the truth that people don't want to hear,you just be straightforward and encouraging. Love and Respcet.

[@jaykhan7119]

05:15 "this video is not about me claiming I learned a particular skill" Dude, are you crazy?? You did it! Regardless of whether it was four seconds or one second, whether you had sagging hips or not, you held a straddle front lever for four seconds with a weighted vest on! That was amazing bro!

[@chriscox1535]

I’m stuck at advanced tuck front lever took me 4 months from tuck to advance now stuck in advance for 3 months I’m 5 ft11 tall haha my friend is 6 ft 1 he can front lever he think geek climber can front lever if he works hard

[@sindavmi]

@@chriscox1535 do weighted pull ups, I got from a really bad advanced tuck to a one legged front lever by just doing that with my max being 3 reps with 1/3 of my bodyweight

[@pedrooliveira3439]

You're just awesome and what you do is unparalleled. I find it very helpful. Keep it up!

[@SC-ye3kw]

Love your videos. Your English is very understandable, and I like your sense of humor. Keep up the great work.

[@ArtofmyCloud]

I wouldn't necessarily consider the sciences as an eastern philosophy, but I agree with you that math and physics are subjects that could benefit the general population greatly (I major in math/physics). From a practical standpoint, it makes sense why the front lever is not ideal for you to learn as well. It's similar to a football lineman simultaneously training for a marathon (possible, but not practical). On the flip side though, I want to thank Geek Climber bc after watching his mathematical breakdown on the front lever, I realized that my body was actually well suited for doing the front lever! I tried the front lever and realized that I could actually hold a good form straddle front lever, so thank you for your informative videos!!!

[@daa3930]

8:34 Reminds of the case of Caroline Casey. Her TED talk is on KZbin in case if anyone is interested but TLDW is that she's a legally blind person who thought she was just clumsy because her parents never told her she was visually impaired. She learned about her blindness when she visited opthomologist to get required papers so that she could start her driving lessons. IIRC the doctor asked her parents during that visit "Really? You never told her?" Like, there's a difference between healthy encouragement and straight up gas lighting.

[@a-s7179]

u motivate me enought to do the MU and handstand ,so I could not be more grateful !

[@christopherstein2024]

8:15 Of course the front lever is easy for him. He has enough will power to brake the laws of science. The front lever is nothing for him😂😂😂

[@H.haru_u]

yes he does not know math well ik him and he is quite short and big

[@angelovas5227]

This guy know what is to be done but still he doesn't ,means he doesn't want the FL that bad

[@H.haru_u]

@@angelovas5227 bruh he's not a full time calisthenics athlete he has a main job of a climber and he clearly stated that he want to do more climbing because bigger back = less climbing power

[@angelovas5227]

@@H.haru_u yeah that's what I meant But bigger back through calisthenics = more climbing power

[@Nohax8]

@@H.haru_u whats his name

[@mohamedmkey9616]

It is nice to hear the since behind from you , you are right it is mush easier if you have a longer arms your body type is number matter a lot to do a front lever

[@zacharylaschober]

When I abandoned the perfect form front lever, I noticed my somewhat sagged form time under tension increase by about a second every few weeks. Plenty of folks mentioned this, talking about working through the progressions and other matters, but when I mentioned this strengthening everyone just acknowledged I was probably better for this. Holding a front lever is a party trick, developing the muscles to help hold a front lever is not. But as a climber, I don’t want to spend time on a number of low transfer exercises to get this party trick done when I could further develop my poor form front lever while not inhibiting other sessions. Right there with the need to focus on climbing.

[@Adumbfartzarano]

Something important to keep in mind isn’t only the difficult of one’s genetics to achieve a skill, it’s also about progress. Body dimensions can change base difficulty of any strength move of course. However it shouldn’t limit progress. If progress has stalled something need to change to result in required stimulation for improvement

[@senorzero7297]

Damn that was so amusing. Don't get discouraged and keep up with these awesome vids.

[@fredericp64]

Great vid!! Putting the geek back in GeekClimber!! I lost it at "just study harder bro!" 😆😆😆

[@maxfred1696]

Love the mathy/sciencey way of looking at climbing problems :)

[@captainjacobkeyes6733]

This video is awesome geek climber! I appreciate your perspective and any math breakdown is greatly appreciated.

[@Jasper-q2q]

your arm movment gives me anxiety😂 jokes aside: love the information you put out

[@H.haru_u]

yes ik he doess that alot lol

[@qweasd9153]

try using false grip on your front lever. You decrease the moment arm and it will make it easier. Also you get more forearm activation if your thumb is above the bar not around the bar

[@bios546]

Not exactly true. If your fingers are strong, with the longer arm you'll get the same lever with a larger angle.

[@Huange._.]

idk if that would help him. He mentioned that the reason that his FL angle is so small is because his arms are short. So by using the false grip, he'd be shortening his arms and lowering the angle even more which he probably would not prefer.

[@barkage]

8:00 that dude looks really cool and strong 😍🥳

[@JoeMendez579]

I’m not a climber but I love the calisthenics videos you do. Personally I like more the way that you explain things than any other KZbinr Thanks for all the explanation and the science behind it

[@ethantrainingyt]

Thank you! It's definitely a stretch for anyone to say that you are promoting a "defeatist mindset", to me it seems like geekclimber as an entity is nothing like that at all.

[@lukasgaming9009]

Idk but I like every video of this guy even that he post like forever

[@0ijm3409fiwrekj]

Mad respect for this video, especially the speech at the end!

[@arvicz22]

I'd love to see someone do this with a pulley on a chest harness to lighten the load. I imagine the angle would be much smaller and overall way harder.

[@GeekClimber]

Man, that sounds like a lot of fun! Not sure how easy it is to set this up, but I would be very interested to see people who are able to do the front lever attempt this.

[@jsssii]

Love your videos man! Perhaps try learning the splits in 30 days?

[@benruefmedia]

Love your videos, just ignore the haters. More people like than dislike your videos anyway, but those who disagree with them will be quick to comment. Just keep doing your thing

[@calisthenicsindia8498]

Math and physics guys have the power of science . That's maybe a bigger advantage 🤟

[@rapidreaders7741]

This guy has the power of maths and science, _and_ is checking off almost every single calisthenics move one at a time. He is the Avatar.

[@youwantmyname9208]

A calisthenics athletes with math and physics skills is 100000× more impressive

[@-photoneix-1765]

i love this guy because he actually uses his brain to work out which is majority of people dont. He uses science to explain things and the other guys just says "work harder".

[@alikoteich8841]

Yes becuase hard work always pays off, when you sit and do maths its good but won't let you achieve anything in calisthenics

[@-photoneix-1765]

@@alikoteich8841 i agree but chasing skills blind is not ideal if you now what is your weakness you can work for them. you can speed up the process

[@alikoteich8841]

I didn't say to practice without listening to your body and wesknesses, my point was if you are dedicated to a specific skill you can reach it no matter the barriers you face

[@nd_otd]

@@alikoteich8841 if you work hard and do maths, it would most likely help you achieve a calisthenics skill like FL faster tho, than if you just blindly work hard. Working hard and smart doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

[@alikoteich8841]

@@nd_otd you are right knowing the maths behind your workout is cool but if your results say you can't do this skill, that doesn't mean its impossible(as mentioned in the video) just get stronger by time you'll make it

[@diy_wizard]

Go be Honert, your work is so cool! I’m interested in calisthenics and I’m a physicist, and I never even thought about describing calisthenics with physics! Very good work!!!

[@FreshTopEnd]

I agree with and thank you for all the insight but can we have some diversity with the hand gesture(s). Thanks

[@drewc3280]

Youre the man. Such a beast.

[@benja_mint]

I always hypothesised that for some people added weight would make it very slightly easier. Great to see my vague and unsure hypothesis made visible here, and proven

[@canaldocapivara]

Love this guy!

[@vladimirputon1508]

I love this video! Just fun to see how something like putting a weight vest on to do a front lever that sounds much harder actually makes it easier. Math is such and interesting tool.

[@shlagin9354]

I always wondered why people said front levers were so difficult. I'm 195 lbs, and have a 6.5 foot wingspan, so I suppose that would explain why they are easier for me

[@no_idea_is_above_scrutiny]

I would love to see you challenge Magnus to see who can do a clean back flip first. I think you would find it difficult, whereas Magnus seems to find it near impossible. Surely there is a maths lesson in there. Forget the haters, you are producing great content.

[@Qadow]

I dont think there is a math barrier to back flip, Jujimufu can do back flip with his weight, and even Antoine can do back flip and he is heavier than Juji. Back flip is mainly about coordination and practice, it aint strenghts dependent skill, nor even bodytype dependend (to some degree), I have seen fat people do backflips too.

[@no_idea_is_above_scrutiny]

@@Qadow You are probably right about the coordination and practice. Some people really struggle with coordination. What I like about this channel is that Geek climber figures out how to do things that he is struggling with. You can do mathematical analysis on almost anything that you can measure. Reasonably confident that Geek climber could work out how to do a back flip if he applied himself to the problem.

[@ant7936]

The first step to wisdom is to have a modest, realistic understanding, of your limitations.

[@matthewiam4581]

Big brain 🧠

[@pathofnobility]

Great video! This was super interesting. I’m not the best at math myself but this was crazy interesting to watch. More stuff like this!

[@energyzer_bunny1913]

This was an excellent video that applies to many other things outside of calisthenics. American society as a whole is too caught up on "Just work harder. No pain no gain. We're gonna outwork the competition," mentality. What if I were to tell you that this past track season was the hardest I've ever worked. I was a 400m runner training with 800m runners doing tons of conditioning and high volume workouts with low recovery. I spent hours and hours in the weightroom increasing my numbers. I was able to break 2 minutes in the 800m for the 1st time. Despite that, I DIDN'T GET ANY FASTER on the 400m nor 200m! Sure I worked hard, but I DIDN'T WORK SMART!!! To get faster, one has to do pure speed training year-round. True speed training is anything 80m or less. Every rep must be with FULL RECOVERY. And it should only be trained 2 MAYBE 3 times a week. Running more 600s and 500s didn't make me faster. I didn't way too much conditioning and not enough true speed work. I also didn't need to spend all that time in the gym. It all was just for the sake of the almighty "GRIND." I wish American society would glorify working smarter as opposed to working harder, because for me personally, working HARDER got me nowhere. I'm glad you're the type of person to take an analytical approach to things. A SMART approach. Knowing what you're advantages and disadvantages are based on your anatomy and how your body is built is a great way to how to assess your training. Much better than "Just work harder bro." Long-winded comment, but I had to put this out there.

[@cliffcoleman2298]

This is exactly what I hoped you'd try next

[@RichardKalling]

I have a stupid question: While having longer arms would result in a smaller required angle, wouldn't this be offset by the increased torque required at the joint per degree of deflection due to the longer lever-arm? (I'm on board with the weight distribution stuff, but the short vs long arm thing I guess I need some help with.) Is it just that the pull strength function for a typical individual at a particular angle doesn't match the torque requirement as a function of arm length?

[@shlagin9354]

That's not a stupid question. The increased arm length would definitely cause an increased moment about the shoulder joint, but that's assuming the angle is staying the same if you have longer arms. As your arms get longer, they can reach the x distance at less of an angle. For example, if a 2 foot long arm would reach the cg at an angle of 45 degrees, a 3 foot long arm could reach that same point at an angle of 62 degrees. 90 degrees would be the arms perpendicular to the body, and 0 degrees parallel

[@RichardKalling]

@@shlagin9354 Thank you for the reply! The idea is that the increased torque requirement would offset the angle requirement benefit that having long arms has when performing the front lever. I was questioning geekclimber's earlier premise that longer arms convey an advantage there. It seems like long vs short shouldn't make a difference in difficulty due to gains in angle required by center of mass being offset by torque requirement losses. For example, if you remove the center of mass requirement (IE, something like an Iron Cross), having long arms puts you at a disadvantage for this reason. I would think that for the front lever they would cancel each other out and there is no advantage or disadvantage to long arms. However, it is very possible I am missing something either mathematically or biomechanically.

[@shlagin9354]

@@RichardKalling You are absolutely right! I've sat down and worked some calculations, and the torque is the exact same for a person regardless of arm length given they have the same weight and center of gravity. Increased arm length may slightly move the center of gravity closer to the shoulders due to increased weight of the arms, but I assume that's negligible. Edit: Although the torque is the same, perhaps there is a biomechanical aspect to making this exercise easier when the arms are more perpendicular. I'm only an engineer, so I am not sure about this.

[@christopherstein2024]

Epic math moment!

[@sravy6411]

Thanks for the video !

[@wypimentel]

Yeah, makes sense, I'm now acquiring a good back, but my legs are really heavy, my thighs have almost 60cm, I almost can't touch my fingers of my 2 hands around my calves, also could loose some 5kg, I can't do a front lever neither a full planche, my you gave me a solution, increase even more my back muscles and loose some fat. Thanks.

[@Mpeos]

0:47 that is they guy from Brandon's channel

[@lukek6639]

I was wondering if you separated your shoulder blades more to make your arms longer if that would make it easier to get a higher angle

[@danteaguefitness5663]

Good work man. Legendary message there.

[@bios546]

7:35 That's Barkage (Of the hidden gains village) Also, I pretty much agree with Bar when he said you'll develop the strength and size of the upperbody as you train. Climbing doesn't get affected a lot unless you don't specifically train your fingerstrength (Not just hangboard - I feel that's the front lever tag for what's needed to earn the tag, i.e., the BTS - the work behind the scenes) Anyways, the thing is, if you train it (mainly the BTS of it), you'll keep getting better at it. Hope you enjoy the process and take pride in the venture. You may not need the skill, but don't give up the fight that easy bru.

[@damdampapa]

I couldn't agree more with your statements about "realism" in sport. Dead on.

[@ericconnor3728]

just study harder bro. hahahaha 9:00 so true

[@csommer4492]

I still think you should try front lever from a large edge on a hangboard, extending your fingers to make the your arm slightly "longer". It's definitely easier in my experience.

[@MrApetape]

Thats something i noticed as well, never understood why its kind of easier.. that makes a lot of sense :D

[@a-s7179]

Thejackedvegan guy say the opposite , he say fals grip is easer for from lever now im confused . im still too weak to test it myself

[@michasarzynski4387]

@@a-s7179 false grip should be thoeretically harder, you shorten the radius and degree between your lats and arms become smaller

[@theleatherface12345]

@@a-s7179 There seems to be a lot of confusion and conflicting information on this topic. For some reason a lot of people assume longer arms make calisthenics skills like Planche and Front Lever harder, but the opposite is true. Obviously, there are other specific skills where the longer arms are a disadvantage like the Iron Cross.

[@TheValinov]

@@theleatherface12345 longer arms often come with long legs, dont they? i think longer legs are worse then shorter arms.

[@martinpospichal3476]

So this is math channel now, nice :(

[@MorrisMJHo]

It would be interesting to see what the pulling force is needed for the touch front lever as well as the Victorian hold? The angle seems to be extremely small. Having a heavier upper body does increase the angle which makes front lever *seems* easier. But I am wondering if you also have stronger pulling strength at lager arm angle than say a much smaller arm angle? Doing front lever with a larger arm angle whether using weigh vest or having a heavier upper body is just like you are doing the exercise at a easier progression but the goal should be the next harder progression right?. Using you arm angle prospective(which is a very good prospective BTW), we may consider the progression for front lever is going from 90 degree arm angle to 0 degree. There are many way to have larger the angle, having a heavier upper body, adding weight vest, or simply reduce lever length(tuck or advance tuck)? But increase the arm angle is a regression and our goal is to reduce the arm angle right? So I thought the training should be focus on increasing your pulling/holding strength with smaller arm angle? Preferably at an angle that is much smaller than the angle required for full front lever? You can simply do this with band assist full front lever and use assistant reduction as your progression. Or training touch front lever? I started training touch front lever when I could only hold a few seconds of advanced tuck, and it increased my holding strength at a much much smaller arm angle required for full front lever. Then after a couple months I could suddenly hold straddle lever. So I hope this method would hope you. Lastly, to your comment on not focusing on front lever, it sounds like you are interested in other skills than front lever? If that is the case then I think it's worth to make it clear to the audience. Because your video is sort of presenting in a way that you are not focusing on it because it's harder for you. My goal is to achieve 0 degree arm angle which is Victorian hold and it's going to be extremely extremely hard for me for sure, which is going to take me years to get to the "0 degree" hold , but I probably will never achieve it if I *don't focus* on it. Instead I focus on it even MORE to reduce the time it to get to my goal.

[@niccolocamani8557]

What if you had a lot of strenght in your forearm flexors and did front lever with a big false grip? I mean a very exaggerated one. Wouldn't it help with the angle?

[@The_Aging_Warrior]

Great video! I also wondered whether a weighted vest could actually help my front lever.

[@MikeJones-kb9ub]

Great Video. I'm pretty similar to you in a lot of ways. used to climb before getting into calisthenics. Trained for two years for front lever without much progress. Afterwards, with no prior training, was able to get a full 5 second flag within a month. I will still be trying for front lever and one thing that has helped has been gaining flexibility in the side splits. I've seen some videos where people claim it's possible to get a full side splits in 1 or 2 months or whatever, but I think any significant progress you make in that regard will help your straddle front lever. On my most flexible days I can get a few seconds straddle front lever. My side split angle is around 140 degrees on the ground

[@jakedones2099]

This all has to do with calculation of moment. M=r*F. Where F is the the force applied at the center of gravity and r is the distance from the fulcrum. If a system is supposed to be immobile the sum of the forces equals 0 and the sum of the moments equals 0. That is why center of mass has to be directly under the hand or you will keep spinning. Therefore if you have heavy legs or short arms there will be more of a bend at the arms causing you to have to exert more muscular force. That is basic physics. That being said, the body is quite complicated, so maybe there are adaptations at play in performing any tasks. In addition, I am not sure if his measurements about weight distribution is correct

[@AaronMartinProfessional]

With this video you sold me - I’m bought into the geek climbers creed 😁

[@vojtechtichavsky37]

4:26 i love the face xd

[@justprince9857]

I have an idea you can try. I dont guarantee anything but for some reason it works on me. Its a simple trick: try chin-up grip (and maybe neutral grip if you want to but i havent tried this). Im curious if someone else will find it easier with that grip too.

[@derekchen5749]

supinated FL is much harder

[@lutherjeremy6150]

This video is informative! Putting the physic and work together so we can get the best from both worlds, can you analyze planche math next ?

[@s-.-]

May be you can place your hands on both edge of the pullup bar to simulate a smaller angle and move your center balance?

[@JorgePacker]

Use a pulley to see how much weight you need to remove from your feet to be able to get the front lever. Keep a track of that to see how you are improving over time

[@NyvekBr]

What an awesome vídeo!

[@alexbarcovsky4319]

Geek Climbers impressions of gym bros are hilarious.

[@gardenhose590]

Great video!! Serious brain flexing!! Thank you for being rational and realistic.

[@TheEchenojoda]

el desarrollo de la fuerza y perfeccionamiento de la tecnica en algunos movientos toma mucho tiempo, se ve espectacular y se siente genial lograr el front lever

[@OVP1175]

Beautifully said.

[@BrandonUlloa198]

Loved the video👍 keep doing you

[@anoopjm]

On the lat pull down machine, are you pulling it with the body weight of your upper back leverage as you lean backwards (or) did you first position yourself to the half lay position on the seat and pull it even further down with locked elbows like we do in a FL ? Just curious as both would activate different muscles the latter would involve more lower lat involvement too. I ask this question as I see your fingers are not wrapped around the lat pull down bar in the manner we would if we were to do a FL (false-ish grip)

[@Fexart]

Soooo, technically, if you master the weighted straddle lever (which you already sort of "have"), and start removing weight till is just your body, would that work?

[@thecluelesslegoman591]

love you geek climber ❤️

[@Ejs226]

8:29 as someone who literally got a front lever in a year. Front lever is hard as fuck. for me I was luckily gifted in pulling, I am also 150 at 5,7 with somewhat long arms. My friend is over 25lbs heavier than me and 6ft tall and trains legs. It took him over 2 years to get a decent lever, and I always tried to explain how a lever is gonna be more difficult because he's always beat himself up on why he couldn't lever. Thank you for putting this info out there. Along when people say that certain moves arent that difficult. On a spectrum your right. But I have seen people planche with ease and struggle with a front lever. Not everyone is built the same or has the capability of certain moves.

[@TexicanMr]

I want to see your analysis of the pistol squat. I feel like it's easier loaded (arms extended). I suspect it's similar situation.

[@leoingson]

Very good demonstration of the impact of body type on a sport! For guys with non-perfect body types, complex skill sports are a good choice. Like .. climbing :)

[@cloudnine8401]

If this guy returns to school he will be that quiet kid that you shouldn't mess with

[@armaang96]

Very well said!

[@nokkamies4988]

I finally got my 5s full front lever hold after 7 months of training

[@boliussa]

totally logical.. brilliant stuff

[@FreshSmog]

Ok so this is my take on this debacle. I'm almost 100% certain that any healthy person training hard enough can eventually do the front lever. But that involves getting big upper body hypertrophy muscles as it'll shift your center of balance + make you stronger. Eventually you're build the necessary strength + center of balance to do a full front lever. The reason geek climber won't be able to get the front lever quickly is this upper body hypertrophy limitation. In that sense people who should "give up" on front lever are really the ones with this specific limitation, natural body proportions only make it harder but not impossible. Anyone else without this limitation should carry on with their front lever training.

[@TorianCarrConn80]

Maybe, yes. The question is if you want to change your whole lifestyle around this specific goal of archieving the front lever. By building big upper body musculature all day and such. Or if you want to archieve higher climbing grades and the front lever is just a sidegoal for fun and everything you would need to change for a front lever would actually hindering your future climbing, when even your body stature is making it harder to archieve.

[@N_L12]

Your advantage having shorter arms is that your bent arm strength and dynamic movements will be easier compared to someone who has long arms. I totally agree with you that having more muscle mass isn’t advantageousnfor certain things. But doesn’t it make climbing easier to have somewhat hypertrophied lats ?

[@Qadow]

We (climbers) dont need mass, we need strenght, that being said, every climber will compare their strenght to each other in a weight to body-weight ratio. Because if you are swole 100kg bodybuilder pulling 80kg on a bar is actually weaker, if 70kg climber pulls 60kg. We dont aim to get bigger, we aim to get stronger while maintaining the same mass. Also to say, strenght is just one of many things that are important, flexibility, coordination, technique, endurance. And one last thing, your fingers will suffer more with aditional weight ... (All this is also reason why many climbers develop eating disorders and this topic should not be ignored).

[@La0bouchere]

The bottleneck that climbers run into the most is finger strength and not pulling strength. Larger lats hurt the former and help with the latter. In very specific cases it can help but it generally isn't an advantage since you can get all the pulling power you need from stick figure teenage muscle mass

[@TorianCarrConn80]

@@La0bouchere Yeah, those frikkin teenagers that can't do 5 pull ups but crush all your projects on the first try.. finger strength to body weight ratio is most important on soo many things in climbing.

[@N_L12]

bruh 💀i could get the front lever not having the longest limbs, weighing 60 kgs and having quite big legs at the time guys ☠☠ juste get freaking strong and don't overthink

[@dojanglesclimb]

What was your front lever training program like in the past?

[@icaropinto1334]

Great video!

[@fufumccuddlypoops5502]

Love the science. It’s the future

[@lloydwright3661]

Your basketball analogy sums this up perfectly, Allen iverson. Yes upper body mass would help but you dont have to put on huge amounts of mass to get alot stronger, UFpwrLifter. Youve let being smart get in the way of your ambition.