MatrixFire - 2s Upgrades and Firing

[@ryanassini4706]

Wow! Thanks for the in depth look at this thing that I didn’t think anyone else would care that much about. A few things I want to mention about the feeding (which I should have gone into more detail on my note but ran out of space): -I never ran into serious feed issues on the 9volt setup and I think the main reason is because there’s less amperage being supplied to the feed wheel. That lets it maintain contact with the darts without immediately spooling up to full bore and the static friction of that first dart doesn’t wind up being an issue. That setup has had a lot of success even with the worker 22s, although I only have one of the “b style” ones and I’m not sure if that has a different spring -Right after I sent this to you someone reached out to me about a similar feeding issue. That front hole of the magazine adapter was based off the front of the hopper, and I never thought twice about it once I got my feeding issues sorted out with the 9 volts. Turns out there is the slightest chance a dart can get caught up on the edge of it. I edited the design (so if you bought one from me don’t worry) but you can probably shave off a millimeter of material and remove that top “bridge” above the hole and it should allow the waffles to feed more easily (also sending you the updated version with the next batch of loot). -I’m going to start testing with watermelons now that they’re in stock for me. I imagine they’ll have similar results to the accufakes because of the slightly smaller head

[@godeatsbagels]

Woo! I was the someone!

[@stevenpeven258]

This basically confirms what I was thinking. If you don’t have a pdw installed, you basically want to go for the hopper for a manageable rate of fire, or the magazine adapter for a ridiculous bullet hose

[@Bacon_Duck_13]

Dumb idea: Do 6 round NStrike mags feed reliably when fully loaded? Just turn it into a hilariously low capacity burst blaster!

[@crysiswar5]

Bro yes, Would be great for a “power weapon” in a game

[@dragonblaster-vu8wz]

I could see this working as a good uzi for zombie rushes for HvZ or group charges in regular wars if you could get that FPS down a bit. And with that rail on the front, I like to think that you could make an adapter going from Adventure force rail to vulcan tripod, slap a 50-round drum in there, and having a neat machine gun emplacement. Also, maybe the worker full length darts might work well in this while giving good accuracy

[@RockyAndSuch]

The buzz bee 30 round drum feeds way more reliably so it'd be interesting to see how that works

[@Bacon_Duck_13]

Heck yeah! Super glad to see this video so soon! I was thinking we might have to wait a few weeks for this! I’m very excited to see this!

[@Olorin323]

The Matrixfire modded with the mag adapter might be my favorite blaster this year. I really hope Dart Zone is paying attention....taking the gear system out of the Matrixfire and putting it in a dedicated mag fed short dart platform would be amazing.

[@MortenWill]

That is a very orky shoota, with the percussive maintenance it needs. I do not really have a spot it would fill in my armoury, but I like everything about the matrix fire

[@CynUnion-ji9uj]

It 'as enuf dakka for da boiz

[@greekguy2259]

Most OP Loadout: This with side mounted Proton Pack Jupiter and dual PewPews.

[@andrewevers2420]

My brain is telling me Proton pack primary, matrixfire secondary, and PewPew backup pistols. That makes the most sense to me but logically speaking all of that sounds op.

[@connerturner529]

Obviously would have to have them to try but the nodes of bamboo darts could give the feed wheel a bit more to bite on.

[@CaptainXavier]

Or less...

[@connerturner529]

@@CaptainXavier True, I was just going off conceptual, so I didn't know one way or the other.

[@CaptainXavier]

Only testing will reveal the truth! ...but I'm not going to do that so the world may never know! Mwuahahahaha!

[@taylorcampbell6975]

So Kool Definitely going to pick up the kit so I can have a last resort side arm

[@Zand3rParkour]

Wooo! Finally a point in favor of the accufakes after years of waffles having been on top. Lol. Feel slightly vindicated in having bought 1000 of them right before the waffles came out, even though I'm unlikely to mod a blaster to need that difference (still greatly prefer springers over anything else)

[@Darkcur]

the magazine kit makes it look like a Borderlands gun, I love that.

[@WylunCustoms]

very cool! i would of loved to see a demo of the new clip and just the regular 9v. thanks for the videos

[@darklordofsword]

Okay, now we need a swivel mount and that belt-fed magazine thing from a while back.

[@trinir2581]

This is the peak accuracy by volume of fire

[@dgresham2729]

I find that the DZ chile/watermelon darts work well in the hyperfire and regulator belt pushers. I wonder if that would translate to this wheel pusher. The narrow tipped DZ MAX darts would probably be good to, but might be lower fps with the narrow head. It's a cool mod that's like 95% there as far as reliability.

[@CaptainXavier]

It is now at 100%. The designer found a simple fix. Check out my Mag Dump Short.

[@ironjester2273]

Matrix fire really wasn't on my list until I saw your last video, had found out that I could become a dart hose with that mod. I heard bad things about the consistency of firing from the hopper. Since your last video I have thought of matrix fire and the adapter from cakescreative

[@Olorin323]

Super cool build! Was really fun to see what the platform can do. I just picked up one of these for my son as he can't quite prime springers easily. Nice to know it has some potential as a platform. Did you upgrade the pusher motor? What PWM did you use/recommend?

[@jaybringus6818]

When you wired this for 2s did you have to use a 21A micro switch? Is the pwm attached to the overall circuit or only the wires going to the pusher?

[@CaptainXavier]

No, stock switch. PWM just goes to the pusher.

[@jaybringus6818]

@@CaptainXavier is that wire diameter stock or did you replace all of the wiring? liked and subscribed! Thank you for helping me learn!

[@CaptainXavier]

@@jaybringus6818 I believe I used the stock wiring.

[@moekitsune]

Was going to ask if the rate of fire would be suitable for a heavy in HvZ as I remember you saying that a higher rate of fire could be advantageous, but this thing is just ridiculous

[@moejitz]

So awesome!! Just to recap this rewire should be in line with the same steps as the Khaos, Hyperfire, or Nemesis correct? Thanks, asking for a friend.

[@CaptainXavier]

Yes

[@nathandc]

My thoughts are that is appears Silly!! Also, it is Gloriously Wonderful!!

[@kokort2]

Looking for a very slight performance upgrade on the matrixfire but still retaining AA batteries. What can be done? If I get new Fang motors, make an 18-guage rewire and get new flywheels but still have original batteries do you think I get a slight upgrade? Also, what diameter would you recommend? The goal is not to up the FPS but rather being able to sustain fire with mag adapter for a longer time.

[@CaptainXavier]

Fang motors will almost certainly not even spin up on AA batteries. AA's simply do not provide enough current. That is why they fail with the increased rate of fire the mag adapter gives. Current = Torque. And increased rate of fire requires torque. You can try Honey Badger motors. They will run on AA's but because of that they will also likely not have enough torque.

[@kokort2]

@@CaptainXavier Thanks for the answer! If you were like me and completly new to the hobby and would rather not change batteries and deal with lipos and such, but would like to get just a tiny bit of performance increase on the matrixfire, what would you do?

[@laptopcat6673]

​@@kokort2 Buy better batteries that provide more power, though they could be more expensive. Or use 4 of 14500 3.7V IMRS and 2 dummy cells.

[@laptopcat6673]

Hey Capt, I recently bought a Matrixfire, I bought it mainly to mod it like how you modded yours. I noticed you just changed the cage, motors and flywheels and sticked to the stock wirings and switches, will it be fine in the long run? This is my first ever flywheel mod and It'd be nice if I can save money from switches and wires.

[@CaptainXavier]

I would recommend upgrading the switches. I'm pretty sure mine eventually burnt out. The wire is probably fine.

[@JoltKing627]

I wonder if a rather slow pusher motor could be sourced that would run on lipo and not be too fast for the magazines without the need for a PWM...

[@CaptainXavier]

Probably...but a resistor or a PWM would probably be easier and cheaper.

[@ryanassini4706]

The good captains hit everything on the head in this video that I’d noticed with the design while making it. The one thing I failed to mention to him is the reasoning I suggest the original alkalines for the pusher, and that’s because they supply less current than a lipo. That way the wheel spins up more slowly and doesn’t instantly do a burnout on the dart. Then you can just run your flywheels off it’s own circuit and use a mossfet for the original rev switch if you want

[@JoltKing627]

@@ryanassini4706 that's actually pretty good reasoning... If I ever get one of these I'll probably end up doing that.

[@ryanassini4706]

@@JoltKing627 FWIW There was also an update that I made right after sending this to the Captain, and so far it appears to have alleviated the feeding issues on full 3S with waffles

[@JoltKing627]

@@ryanassini4706 that's awesome! I'll keep that in mind!

[@flametitan100]

This is interesting, and cute. If I had a matrixfire I might run that.

[@squishlabs724]

So I am trying to wrap my head around how to wire in the PWM with it only adjusting the rate of the pusher motor instead of both. How did you wire it that way?

[@CaptainXavier]

I just spliced it in on the pusher motor circuit.

[@squishlabs724]

@@CaptainXavier That makes a lot of sense, thank you very much!

[@moejitz]

Cap would you mind making a video of how you select and add a PWM to control ROF on belt-fed blasters?

[@CaptainXavier]

Selection: what does OutOfDarts carry. Installation: splice into pusher motor circuit. Why belt-fed blasters specifically? It wouldn't be any different than any other full auto blaster.

[@cpl.barbarusc4814]

Well, say hello to my little friend, Tony Montana's jaw would be dropped. And this should be called the Matrixfire/Dartshredder mod. Dartshredder sounds like an awesome name for a mod like this one.

[@morgrimgaming7342]

Question: Will that take the drum mag that allows you to use a belt? If so, how well would that work?

[@CaptainXavier]

Yes...and my guess is the belt mag would have trouble keeping up...but we gonna find out!

[@morgrimgaming7342]

@@CaptainXavier Honestly, I'd love to see it. Might make for an interesting sentry/bunker weapon for horde game modes or base captures.

[@trexhunter2883]

I know I am super late to this video but what flywheels did you use for this mod I am really really really wanting to make my own and want to know what parts you used.

[@CaptainXavier]

You know...I have no idea. I think they were some generic worker wheels I had lying around. They could also have been OOD wheels.

[@trexhunter2883]

@@CaptainXavier Cool, thanks! I know it's extremely impractical but it looks fun as hell to shoot.

[@squidkidg5617]

Parts list? What spring, PWM, motors, screws, and Lipo's did you use? Or if anyone has suggestions

[@CaptainXavier]

I explain at least some of that in the video... I used FangRV motors and the OOD PWM. I am using a 2s LiPo. Not sure what spring or screws you are talking about...there is no spring and I used the screws it came with.

[@squidkidg5617]

@@CaptainXavier Thank you so much!

[@jeffreycarman2185]

Excellent video sir! I had sort of heard of the Matrixfire but now I wouldn’t be surprised to see it popping up at Nerf wars in the future. Bangarang!

[@tdog-jy1pp]

have seen this before but why doesnt the custom parts exist anymore?

[@CaptainXavier]

They do. Which parts are you having trouble finding?

[@JJones0710]

Cool!

[@Spaceman510]

Do you think it could be single shot with the PWM towards the bottom setting? Also, what battery did you end up using with that motor combo?

[@CaptainXavier]

Yes. And a 1.0 Ah, 2s Graphene LiPo (I think)

[@Spaceman510]

@@CaptainXavier ok, thank you! I have a couple of the 950 mah ones and I was wondering if they could safely provide enough current for the pusher and two fangs, seems to be working pretty well for you!

[@CaptainXavier]

@@Spaceman510 depends on the C-rating, but probably.

[@ianbui5356]

Question/advice: I'm still fairly new to modding and want to mod a MatrixFire so it doesn't poop out the last half of a mag, but most of my battles involve little kids, so I don't want to go above 100 fps. Also because of little kids, I don't want to use LiPo batteries for safety reasons, so I'm in kind of a strange niche. Is there a way to thread this needle?

[@CaptainXavier]

Yes. Use 3s motors but run them on a 2s battery. This will reduce the voltage (and thus the rpm and thus the fps) without reducing the current (thus not lowering the torque and thus maintaining fps)

[@ianbui5356]

@@CaptainXavier Thanks for your reply. Are 2s LiPos safer than 3s too? I've been avoiding using them because I don't want kids handling them at all. If not, do you know of any battery options that tend to be idiot proof?

[@CaptainXavier]

@ianbui5356 if you are worried about LiPo (which is fair) you can always try NiMH. They are also rechargeable but much more stable.

[@ianbui5356]

@@CaptainXavier I'm guessing you mean a 7.2V NiMH battery pack made of thicker cells and not just 6 AA size cells?

[@CaptainXavier]

@@ianbui5356 that would work.

[@andrewgaughen9310]

Between the look of the blaster (esp with the foregrip removed) and the insane "hose" effect, I'm thinking that you're on your way to making Baze Malbus' repeating canon from STAR WARS ROGUE ONE!

[@morgrimgaming7342]

Honestly, if you could reverse the grip direction without messing with the battery tray, you could easily get a Clone Wars era heavy blaster.

[@rydia_ma01]

Does keeping the blaster itself stock prevent the issues with the pusher wheel tearing up darts or being damaged?

[@rydia_ma01]

(using the magazine mod)

[@CaptainXavier]

It turned out the issue was not with the wheel. It was a slight design flaw (long since corrected) in the magwell. Darts were getting caught so the wheel chewed them up.

[@rydia_ma01]

@@CaptainXavier Thank you. I plan on buying a matrixfire just to try out that mag mod.

[@rydia_ma01]

it's also kind of funny because a long while ago i commented about which stock blaster fires the fastest, and while this won't quite be stock, it will still fling foam at a stupidly high rate.

[@HellsBirdie]

Is it possible for a replacement wheel pusher that you can put O-rings on to improve the grip on the darts?

[@CaptainXavier]

Probably. Model it up and I'll happily print and test it.

[@ryanassini4706]

@@CaptainXavier I tried this a little while ago and just be aware that the rubber on the wheel is one piece injection molded into the plastic part. So if you cut it up you can’t easily undo it without using an entire bottle of superglue

[@seanmullen4003]

Titan drum? 😈😈😈

[@CaptainXavier]

Go for it. Let me know how it works.

[@seanmullen4003]

I should have kept my mouth shut, because I don't have the ability to do any of the mod work you've done

[@moejitz]

I was thinking the same thing!!!

[@chillinwithmyfoamies6382]

This is badass!!! I am gonna replicate your build my man!

[@calvinoneil6798]

What PWMS do you use

[@andrewevers2420]

Quick question, do the chili darts have the same issue?

[@CaptainXavier]

No idea, don't have any. :(

[@FURRYSLAYER-vp9zm]

Could there be a way to set this up for half darts with af pro darts?

[@CaptainXavier]

Maybe? But I doubt it. The pusher design will almost certainly not work with half darts.

[@FURRYSLAYER-vp9zm]

@@CaptainXavier alright. Thank you

[@Null_and_Void_0]

When I saw your last review on the mag adapter I immediately bought a matrixfire and the adapter lol. That stock ROF is great. Figured I could chop off the front and make this a sorta spitfire sidearm

[@ryanassini4706]

There’s a muzzle delete (and your order lol) coming soon, I just need the cavalry in the form of a new printer to arrive to finish the tests

[@Null_and_Void_0]

@@ryanassini4706 sound great! Can't wait to see it

[@Patty-Q]

It's not a solution, but I just love the image of a Titan 50 dart drum under that thing.

[@CaptainXavier]

Check out my mag dump short. ;)

[@SirBrass]

Finally a use for the Titan 50 rnd drum! Please try it out!

[@CaptainXavier]

Check out the Mag Dump Short. ;)

[@SirBrass]

@@CaptainXavier that was beautiful! What fixed the feeding issue?

[@CaptainXavier]

@@SirBrass a little bit of dremeling on the mag well. The designer told me. They have fixed the design.

[@deaconschemper2745]

Use the belt feed mag adapter thing

[@SpyderGiant]

Did you reuse the stock flywheels and pusher motor?

[@CaptainXavier]

No usually.

[@SpyderGiant]

@@CaptainXavier which flywheels did you put in?

[@CaptainXavier]

@@SpyderGiant some random worker ones I had lying around.

[@SpyderGiant]

@@CaptainXavier awesome. I’ll add them to my OOD order. Was the pusher motor the stock one though or did you add a fang there too?

[@3Xnc]

What pWM did you use that was small enough to fit inside the Matrixfire?

[@CaptainXavier]

No idea. It was in a drawer here.

[@3Xnc]

@@CaptainXavier hmmm. If you happen to gander at a photo of it can you post it on your IG? Or I'll just look up some online based on the silver knob

[@ryanassini4706]

@@3Xnc OOD 3amp will fit, there’s a lot of dead space in this thing

[@NJM1564]

Have you tried it with out the barrel yet?

[@CaptainXavier]

Yes, darts got jammed, put it back, stopped getting jammed.

[@drondello1]

Does anybody do a comprehensive detailed motor and rewire mod on the matrixfire?

[@CaptainXavier]

It is exactly the same as a Hyperfire.

[@Godofedits4545]

That’s awesome

[@nekratatsumaki1335]

Artillery brigade? Teams of 4. 1 person using this the other 3 using regular load outs. Volleys clips into oncoming rushes/hordes. When the get close swap to secondary for cqb >.>

[@eggbag4182]

That’s amazing! The fire rate really adds to the tommy gun vibe (though it would help if it worked properly)

[@CaptainXavier]

Check out my recent Shorts video. The feed issue has been completely resolved. The designed found the flaw and has corrected it.

[@akziongarcia4112]

Can you make it chain fed?

[@CaptainXavier]

I mean...you could. But not easily. You would have graft on the belt feed mechanism from an actual belt fed blaster. At which point...why not just use the belt fed blaster? ;P

[@carlosd2297]

Does this work for short darts too?

[@CaptainXavier]

No

[@untitledgoose4650]

Can I fix the fire rate / feeding issue without mods

[@CaptainXavier]

You shouldn't have to. It was a minor flaw in the magwell design that the design has already fixed. I was able to fix mine in about 5 seconds with a dremel.

[@untitledgoose4650]

@@CaptainXavier oks

[@untitledgoose4650]

@@CaptainXavier do I just make the hole bigger ? U a professional so I ask you

[@CaptainXavier]

@@untitledgoose4650 yes, the hole that leads to the flywheels. If you put a mag in you can see how the hole slightly blocks the dart. This was what was causing the jams. Just make that hole big enough that it does not block the darts.

[@Dak_4008]

you need to make a dart proton pack for this that would be cool and funny

[@ricochetfan5241]

What PWM did you use?

[@CaptainXavier]

The one I had in a bin. I don't know where I got it and could not find the source. Sorry.

[@ricochetfan5241]

@@CaptainXavier Aw, any idea on what pwm setup would work? I am trying to mod my matrixfire and would like to have the ability to conviently reduce the DPS to save ammo.

[@CaptainXavier]

@@ricochetfan5241 I believe outofdarts.com has some. That is probably where I got mine.

[@benjamincocaign9174]

😂😂😂 excellent !

[@jamesaguilar7157]

try using a dartszone pro adapter to fire short darts!

[@CaptainXavier]

It does not work.

[@jamesaguilar7157]

@@CaptainXavier Very Sad! , does it work with stryfe adapters?

[@jamesaguilar7157]

maybe if you made a special adapter that had a ftw cage in front of the talon mag, it could work

[@CaptainXavier]

What? No. The issue is that the pusher wheel is mount too far from the flywheels so it cannot push a half dart far enough for it to reach them. No adapter is going to change that.

[@jamesaguilar7157]

also you will need motors and flywheel the world wheels

[@pigfish99]

You'll need to dodge like Neo from the Matrix if you want to avoid being tagged out by this matrixFire!

[@rmfberry261]

is the pusher wheel far enough forward to work with half lengths or could it need to be modified aswell?

[@CaptainXavier]

Commenting etiquette 101: read the comments before commenting to see if your question has been answered 5 or 6 times already...

[@rmfberry261]

@@CaptainXavier just dont reply then.

[@rmfberry261]

@@CaptainXavier 50 original comments including mine. it was asked once and was 46 comments down. have a nice day glad you took the time to write out something that could have been typed with 2 key presses. instead you chose to be rude. hope you have a better day tommorow.

[@CaptainXavier]

Bawls...you are right. It is late and I am too tired to be responding to comments. I apologize.

[@CaptainXavier]

To answer the question (for the 4th or 5th time tonight but it turns out those are spread out over 3 different videos about this blaster which is definitely not on you, so again, sorry for the snark): no, the wheel is not far enough forward but could probably be modified easily enough to be able to.

[@redneckgarage1167]

Y didn’t u try the titan drum

[@CaptainXavier]

The stars were not right.

[@CaptainXavier]

Done! Go check out the Mag Dump Short. ;)

[@redneckgarage1167]

Absolutely magnificent

[@turnersawman]

I run mine on two IMR batteries in place of two alkalines with the cakes and that is plenty fast entire 18 mag gone in a second don't see where you need any faster.what it needs is accuracy my rapidstike shoots just as fast but hits what I aim at.not so much on the matrix fire.

[@danqarious4733]

I DIDN'T KNOW PULSE WIDTH MODULATOR WAS A THING!!?

[@skye1491]

Me thinks I'll do this stick with stock batteries and chop the front off

[@Agent1o1.]

Could you run 2s with stock motors or is the replacement cage necessary?

[@CaptainXavier]

You can...but you will get really poor performance and the motors will likely burn out fairly fast. It will also probably be very noisy.