Matt Chandler - Jesus Wants the Rose

"A Shepherd and His Unregenerate Sheep"
2009 Desiring God Conference for Pastors
February 3, 2009
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[@love_is_sacrifice9414]

When you realize that everyone is that rose, not just people who did specific sin. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23

[@casualchloe1014]

This gives me goosebumps every time I listen to him saying, “Jesus wants the rose!”

[@DMWayne-ke7fl]

The dude enabled a woman to be a home wrecker. He has no ground to stand on.

[@JO-ji4bb]

@@DMWayne-ke7fl Chandler or the other pastor?

[@DMWayne-ke7fl]

@@JO-ji4bb Chandler.

[@JO-ji4bb]

@@DMWayne-ke7fl how

[@DMWayne-ke7fl]

@@JO-ji4bb In the video. Dude is babysitting a woman who is actively cheating with a married man.

[@drayenomg]

I'm an atheist but the "jesus wants the rose" is genius.

[@markperez1462]

Drayenlol has anyone explained the gospel to you?

[@askbrettmanning]

Wish you lived in Nashville. I'd love to invite you to my church and then buy you lunch and chat about it. Thanks for your kind comment.

[@SG1Mitchell]

Dude, same. A friend showed this to me when we were talking about have religious uptightness can lead to severe sexual issues among young people. I was pleasantly surprised to see this guy not taking the route of the person he was mad at, which is what I usually grew up with in the Catholic Church not too long ago. I'm also an atheist, but I applaud Chandler for people who are acting like false Christians. You're supposed to be welcoming to everybody, not treating them like dirt or horrible Sinners who could never be forgiven

[@dmeek20]

@@askbrettmanning where do you go to church? I live in Nashville too.

[@howarddavis7053]

It's genius because it's actually true. The problem is that most of his followers don't give a rip about the rose.

[@all4jesus96]

Jesus wants the rose. That is so incredibly beautiful.

[@beanbag345]

I'd like this again and again, if I could. Jesus wants the broken, Jesus wants the used, Jesus wants the hurting, Jesus wants you, if you're reading this or even if you're not. He gave Himself that all who would believe in Him would be saved. Oh the grace and the mercy of God!!

[@tsines3]

It seems a lot of people are confused about what Matt Chandler is saying in this video. The pastor he is criticizing was attempting to produce sanctification in people through guilt and shame. He's trying to produce the fruit of faith without preaching the Gospel. He's preaching law. The Gospel certainly reveals our sin and we most definitely should see our guilt and weep but Christ's response is that he takes that guilt and shame upon himself. It is only this message, that we are desired by Christ and justified by his work, that produces faith (Romans 10:17).

[@dkshotwell]

And that is The Gospel. Well said.

[@joshuapeck8850]

Ding! Look I have my problems with Matt Chandler's Visions for Church and his charismatic leanings, but I don't say the man preaches a false gospel. This was great and something I'd recommend to anyone specifically women feeling that their sexual past is too much to overcome and they can't become a christian. This is completely on point.

[@dachickenman]

Does Chandler use guilt and shame in the closing prayer here? www.tvcresources.net/resource-library/sermons/womans-hurdles/ "Father, for men in this room who prey on insecure women with wounded hearts, Father, I just pray over these men a type of weight on their souls that would be crushing. Father, I thank you that you do not take lightly wolves hunting down your daughters and that there would be a day that these men, hollow-chested boys in grown up bodies will cry out as you come for mountains to fall and that the mountains will flee before your coming. I thank you that you are a just judge who will not handle lightly boys who can shave who take advantage of your daughters. I pray that there might be repentance for these men for the salvation of their own soul."

[@tomkingg]

@@dachickenman He prays for their repentance and salvation, meaning there is hope for them.

[@dachickenman]

@@tomkingg By using guilt and shame?

[@wrightrachelle]

Why are there goosebumps all over my arms?! Because God is speaking through this man! What a gospel God has given us!!

[@MrJCMG]

Wow!!! This is powerful. It's a real pity that there aren't more pastors speaking out in this way.

[@sabrinaroy306]

Years ago, Jesus took me in a vision and showed me a feild of red flowers or Roses and with rolling hills too and it went on forever and I didnt see him but, heard words, " just when you thing you are unloved, every rose represents my endying love for you, and my love is eternal."

[@JayneLWells]

Love your story! - We must remember "Jesus wants the rose!" No matter how torn or tattered our lives are! ~ Blessed are those who are willing to step out and share the truth others are SO desperate to hear!

[@Stew91]

"JESUS WANTS THE ROSE!" Powerful!

[@topherkingz8546]

Agreed!!

[@emilystardawnn]

I always return to this video when Jesus brings me back to the hurt of His people, and how He loves no matter. No matter economic status, no matter history, no matter story, He loves. He loves and He loves and He loves. What a King of redemption and a King to know. What a savior. Hallelujah. What a friend in Jesus we have.

[@_p0seur]

wow....this gives me chills...this is actually one of the main reasons i left the catholic church as such a young age. this preaching of everything that jesus was created to destroy. JESUS WANTS TO ROSE! HE WANTS ALL OF US. THIS WAS HIS POINT! JESUS WANTS US, SINNERS OR NOT. HE WAS SENT TO ALLEVIATE US SO LONG AS WE WALK IN HIS STEPS. LIVE AS JESUS. and to live as jesus is to love....to love regardless of sin. regardless of difference of opinion. To know when there is wrong and to change for YOURSELF. not for the church. but change for YOU. JESUS WANTS THE ROSE

[@AshleySampson]

Oh my gosh. Every single time I watch this I get chills. This is amazing.

[@BearingMySeoul]

This did NOT make me cry. Water just jumped out of my right eye. #truth

[@naom1720]

"Jesus wants the rose" wow.

[@jesusiskingofmyheart]

Jesus wants the rose! SO powerful ❤️

[@AyeWitness]

He has a heart for the lost. That's his calling. - An evangelist. ❤️ whereas Maybe the preacher was not evangelically minded and just liked preaching about sexual diseases with no discernment of the possibility someone was in the congregation that could have been saved had he preached in the love Of God which draws man to repentance rather than teaching sex education. Just a thought. We all have different gifts and callings. This guy Marks is clearly an evangelical one. And his heart is bursting with desire to share with people THE LOVE IF JESUS CHRIST 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗

[@IGotThatJesusFire]

I can't watch or listen to this without tearing up. The reason I enjoy listen to people like Matt is people you can just feel the conviction in his sermons. You just know that what is being said, is real. And I thank God for using Matt as a godly vessel and someone that has helped me and many others who wrestled and are wrestling to come to know Christ.

[@brithanymarbunmusic]

BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL I am crying.

[@lolalove1019]

I'm bawling. That was beautiful

[@zenmar84]

This is the first time that i saw and heard matt chandler and it really blew me away.

[@emily51805]

this always makes me cry. i need this reminder daily.

[@terrygorsuch77]

My friend and I just watched this again and at the end when we were discussing it he said the exact same thing! "I need a daily reminder of this!!" :)

[@PianoNVocals]

I love this!!!! "JESUS WANTS THE ROSE!!!"

[@TheDiamonds98]

I LOVE THIS VIDEO SO OBSSESED WITH IT!!!!

[@casualchloe1014]

You can tell God is leading his spirit through him🙏🙏

[@edwardgeorge8232]

The Gospel is what saves. Really grateful there are preachers that are sold out to the message of the gospel and not just preaching fables and prosperity

[@N8IVIin0rity]

I absolutely LOSE IT every time I watch this.

[@adongo8226]

Seeing this today for the first time

[@KittyKat-ky5us]

Now that man is a true Christian

[@TryphenaWade]

That whole rose demonstration is literally the basis for purity culture. That’s how the church scares women away from any type of intimacy and it haunts women, even into marriage. It must stop! Thank you for this!

[@Analyticalinadream]

The basics of the faith! Yes! Jesus wants the rose.

[@asfmjht334]

Jesus takes the brokenness and makes them whole!

[@marahreyes6881]

This message moved me, I’m almost in tears. Powerful powerful!

[@andrewvasquez2164]

I cried , thank you

[@coraleesnow3769]

chills

[@BrettBowerActor]

THIS IS AMAZING!!!

[@NeliyaAnge]

woooow jesus wants the rose. amen

[@vuyiswa-fumba]

So many tears 🥺

[@Martian1987]

Jesus and the Samaritan Woman #John 4:16-30 📖

[@CR-oe9ty]

Amazing!

[@myself047]

So basically, a Man who sleeps around is a "player" or a "stud" but somehow a Female is a "Flower"....Hmmm, definetly makes sense.

[@guzlemuzle]

how it works dude

[@steflondon88]

You seriously missed the point of the video / excerpt.

[@rowenarinku8435]

How would congregation react if story went like this. I had a male friend who was having an affair with a married woman. I used to babysit the married woman's kids (while she had the affair with my friend) as I wanted them to treat me as a non judgmental friend. My friend came to church and the pastor that day spoke about Herod beheading John the Baptist because he called him out on his adulterous affair. I squirmed because I knew my friend was sleeping with a married woman. How dare the pastor condemn adultery? He should talk about redemption. God loves the rose. My friend is the rose. What does it matter if he was committing adultery. It is not the pastor's job to make people feel bad about their sin. How dare he make a sermon like that? You do not call out on adultery. You only talk about redemption. Talk about salvation and redemption BUT please do NOT call people out on their sin. Please do not make people FEEL bad about sin.

[@Cicadidaetm9899]

I personally don't believe in god (I've had some difficult experiences growing up in the church and I'm queer) but this does make me feel. I completely understand where this man's anger comes from, especially towards a man who is condemning those who are broken and wounded, not even necessarily of their own volition. Victims of sexual assault may want to turn to religion to help heal, and while i personally don't believe it, i do understand and respect the rights of others to believe in whatever gods or texts they want. But if someone's first impression of christianity is THIS. Fearmongering and talking about purity like it's something completely necessary in order to get an eternity in paradise are inherently against the gospel itself. Jesus accepts anyone and everyone who calls him their savior, and saying that you have to be "pure" is just not true in the slightest.

[@cami7026]

Ugh I wish I could give you a hug right not. I’m sorry for everything you’ve gone through and I hope it’s not too pushy for me to say that God, and we, all love you. You are 100% on point about how fearmongering and toxic purity culture goes completely against Jesus’s teachings. Jesus sat with sinners with no regards to their past, and we should be able to do the same.

[@woeiswe230]

This was amazing

[@sithinthemaking]

Are churches perfect? Good grief no, because they're inhabited by humans who do and will mess up. If you ever found a perfect church you wouldn't be able to join it because you'd make it imperfect. Church is so important for your spiritual development! You need to learn from other Christians, and you need to hang out with them! I thank God every single day for my friends at church because it is so refreshing talking to them and having support in the Christian walk of life in a secular world.

[@TheDiamonds98]

I loved it!

[@karrot8221]

Thank you Tiktok for introduceing me to this sermon

[@Hjgfrfjufdetivjiu]

Evangelicals love the word Christ!

[@dakotadabney5327]

Amen brother

[@chainfire95]

There is a replay button...

[@dawngaye9603]

You people saying he made a Horn hand gesture..... Did you know that means "I love you" in sign language?

[@MrMiamike]

the difference between you and me, i listen to what God say,if the churches are not preaching the really truth , why should you be a member??????(...come out of her my people..God says.) their is no problem having friends but at the end of the day you will stand before God alone.

[@sherrinutter6567]

Amen!

[@mrbobspongeful]

Matt, your pastor was trying to teach you that sexual sin has consequences.Jesus' forgiveness does not mean that one no longer has to deal with the consequences of one's sin.

[@calebcarpenter913]

Yup.

[@jocelynnrichter9504]

The people saying he's a false prophet and not of God need a reality check and a heart check. You are not of God by judging others based on silly details in a sermon when we are all supposed to be in this together as One Unit. There's a difference between a false prophet and a man with an opinion. Learn it.

[@steflondon88]

+Jocelynn Richter he is a godly man preaching the true gospel, and if people cant see that, I believe they are lost or just really off in their ideology. In other words - You are right!

[@trevortonner106]

God pointed this out to me too...yes we should be careful of who we listen too...but to be condemning and Always looking for false prophets just to call them out isn't right. This is also true for our prayer lives...don't wish ill for these people who have gone astray in doctrine, but pray for them with the heart of God, with a heart of sorrow and lament for their souls.

[@ArmyMedicRN]

And there is no horn sign, btw....it's just a hand

[@1cor131]

i'm the rose...

[@albertr9007]

So then your then your lucky...Jesus wants the 🌹

[@najiahseaborn]

Jesus still wants the rose 🌹! Have you given it to him yet?

[@johndon2571]

Jesus does want the 🌹 but redemption wasn't the topic, sex was.

[@MrMiamike]

the truth would has come out eventually because God does not let his words to be played with, read your bible , you will be able to tell the truth from the lies.i wonder why people put their trust in men than in God?????

[@jessmanns3841]

I got a tattoo with a withering rose that says Jesus wants the rose

[@Mrfireface2]

That's such a lovely idea.

[@steflondon88]

i LOVE this message, but the thumbnail still photo isnt welcoming to those who dont know this will be filled with Grace lol. He was angry about someone preaching a false gospel, but who would know that through just one photo of him looking mad.

[@steflondon88]

+Livingwater Freelygiven If you actually knew Matt Chandler well, you would know he preaches Confession & Repentance. The pastor who offended Chandler was a legalistic unloving ungentle man. JESUS was not like that pastor who traumatized an audience with angry condescending words and tones. The whole point of the Gospel is that JESUS is our righteousness. So I think you are really acting high and mighty here .

[@steflondon88]

+Livingwater Freelygiven We confess & repent daily. But to take out GRACE, is to take out JESUS. "he made him who knew no sin, so that in him we may become the righteousness of God". Matt Chandler never said sin isn't bad. He is saying, we need to be gentle and loving to people who dont understand the gospel. He has preached many a time, that when someone is living in sin, that you lovingly speak truth to them.

[@steflondon88]

+Livingwater Freelygiven remember Hosea and Gomar??? ...Jesus wants the rose. and Jesus makes the dirty lost angry bitter hateful sinner WHITE and PURE and HOLY at confession, Because he lived the perfect life, and rose from the dead and is seated at the right hand of God. Jesus takes the dirty rose and makes it clean. I think you just assumed what matt chandler is all about from this little clip. I know him well, and dont mean to sound angry, however, to attack a man of God without just cause is not okay.

[@steflondon88]

+Livingwater Freelygiven yes, and Matt Chandler preaches repentance, the Cross, and redemption. So not exactly sure where you are coming from.

[@steflondon88]

+Livingwater Freelygiven Brother, I feel you are stuck in legalism. & not trusting solely on the Blood of Christ. It is the love of God that changes us. We are not our own saviour. "All who call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved". "I came to save sinners, it is not the healthy who need a doctor but the sick".

[@marktheophilus8855]

Wow!

[@TheDiamonds98]

Wow just.

[@simplysmartification]

I hear you, but I would interject that many people do 'satanistic' signs and things without even realising or understanding. Let's percieve the man to be good or bad by the fruit of his teaching.

[@lisaosborne8057]

I want to know what happened to the woman

[@grantgiles]

awesome and poignant..

[@storytime6263]

That guy was wrong and Matt was right period.

[@zacharyharris633]

Yep, I hear and feel Matt's anger and frustration, and likely Kim's pain, in the shame-only gospel-void message as he recalls heard it at the concert. Can we also do an empathy exercise from a different perspective on this story? Let's call the married man whom Kim was having an affair with "Jim" and his wife "Jane", and let's imagine Jane watching this clip. At 1:10 she hears, with something of a chuckle in his voice, that Matt served as baby-sitter to Kim during the time period in which she and Jim were in an ongoing sexual relationship. "I wonder," Jane very well might think, "if the baby-sitting that Matt and his generous Christian friends provided helped give Kim more time to sleep with my husband?" Next, Jane hears the manner in which these Christian men discussed the matter of adultery with Kim. In what sounds like soft, positive and encouraging, non-judgmental tones, Jane learns that Matt "talked through the wisdom" of Kim getting naked in bed with Jane's husband, and that they went about "just kind of serving her and trying to explain to her spiritual things." Jane can hear Matt chatting with Kim, "Are you sure that having sex with another woman's husband is the WISEST thing you could be doing?" As Jane's heart is cut with the inexpressibly painful reminders of her husband's infidelity, she notes that Matt does not use the word "horrific", or anything similar, to describe Jim and Kim's adultery. Jane also notes that Matt's teeth-clenching anger (3:06) at the concert preacher does not seem to arise in like manner in connection with the deep and painful damage that Jim and Kim inflicted upon Jim and Jane's sacred one-flesh union. I could very well hear the grating of dissonance in Jane's heart if it were to say, "So the concert messager incited 'real, legitimate, I want to hurt him anger' in you, but while speaking of the irony of your own baby-sitting service for the woman who was giving herself for my husband to go inside of, a mere chuckle rises up?" It breaks my heart to imagine the concert scene from Kim's perspective. It also breaks my heart to think of this clip from Jane's perspective. And if I try to view my sin from Christ's perspective... who would've imagined that such shame and disgust could intermingle with such joy, love, freedom, and liberty? I do not believe I could give a more empathetically wholistic sermon than Matt Chandler. The point is not to bash him. The point, I suppose, is this: who is up to the incredibly difficult, impossible task of loving sinners with adequate gospel love, while adequately hating the sinfulness of sin accounting for all the destructiveness it spreads out upon multiple people in multiple ways, while upholding the offense against the impeccable holiness of God our Creator and King, and while adequately expressing the luxurious and lavish mercy, grace, and kindness of the Prodigal Father? I'm certainly not up to the task. With due respect I don't think that Matt Chandler is either. But praise be to Jesus, the Lion and the Lamb, the Judge and the Scapegoat, who is our all in all!

[@lydiamill]

I think it's important to see that the root cause of Jane's hurt is not Kim sleeping with a married man. It that the married man is Jim. Jim was the one to make a vow before God that he would be faithful to Jane. Kim can decide if she wants to participate in Jim's infidelity. However, even if Kim removes herself from the situation, that does not mean Jim is going to go back to being faithful to Jane; he could find another lover. While Kim may know she is aiding in Jim's adultery, Kim did not break Jim and Jane's wedding vows, because she never vowed anything. Jim did. Jim is the one who needs to answer to Jane for his infidelity.

[@zacharyharris633]

@@lydiamill Those are true and worthwhile points you have made which help to provide a fuller perspective as we think through the most significant aspects of such a situation. My comments above have the particular focus they do because I'm (ultimately) trying to make observations directly on the video clip of Matt Chandler's sermon itself. Granted, I did have to introduce "Jim" and "Jane" into the story, and Jane's perspective on Kim's participation in Jim's adultery, but all of that was for the (somewhat roundabout) purpose of noting how parts of *Mr. Chandler's message itself* could come across from an outside perspective (e.g. Jane's). So, when Mr. Chandler quotes the concert preacher as saying, "Now who would want this?" the words of the unnamed preacher grieve my heart. But also when Mr. Chandler speaks of Kim, "actually in an extra-marital affair at the time with a married man," the tone and body language of Mr. Chandler himself also grieves my heart. And when Mr. Chandler describes some of his discussion with Kim as "talking through the wisdom of" participating in an adulterous affair, that also grieves my heart. So I brought "Jane" in to help describe why my heart grieves at certain points of Mr. Chandler's message. I certainly agree that "Jim is the [primary] one who needs to answer to Jane for his infidelity" as far as the situation itself would be concerned, it's just that that (incredibly important) point didn't need to be drawn out in order to explain my reaction to aspects of Mr. Chandler's presentation in the video clip itself. I hope that makes sense. Now, it occurs to me that you could likewise say that your comment was motivated by grief in your heart while reading the original Zach Harris comment, sensing in it a lack of attentiveness to the primacy of Jim's grievous culpability in sinning against his wife, and such. In which case, yes, yes, I would see your point.

[@grantarmbruster6591]

this man admits the sin of murder and proclaims it is good.......

[@InfoLunix]

0:50

[@kylenewberry8598]

The issue is our faith is shown by works yes! However, the way the pastor addresses sexuality is wrong, the way you hold

[@Hjgfrfjufdetivjiu]

Actually I agree with the professor in the story. It’s a message to stay pure. Harsh reality is Jesus wants the rose not everyone else, I sure don’t

[@steflondon88]

Then you need 2 look in the mirror & realize Jesus saves everyone and we’re all equal. Jesus wants to redeem the broken and hurting, lost and stained. So the professor was indeed talking about the law alone - but Jesus fulfilled the law. He was an angry self righteous Pharisee by the sounds of it.

[@steflondon88]

“The written law brings death, but the Spirit gives life”, 2 Corinthians 3:6

[@Hjgfrfjufdetivjiu]

@@steflondon88 that’s great and everything but im still not marrying a prostitute. People with pasta they may regret gotta own it. They made their bed now sleep in it. There’s a price for everything

[@TheDiamonds98]

He ya

[@jeannaburch8085]

I'm just curious but, why? I thought it was well put.

[@thomasclark5413]

Because the whole point of the gospel is that all of are that wiltered, damaged, broken rose, but Jesus still wants us!

[@teodoramiceva6711]

Because "be good/ moral/ pure/ chaste so that you would be pleasing to people is not the gospel. No one can do that in their own strength. We are all that broken rose, yet Jesus loved us and died for our sins.

[@labradley34]

Had you not been able to see the video and were only able to hear his words, would you have changed your mind? I don't see this hand sign that you are referencing. The message is very biblical. Jesus' life is the ultimate penalty for every sin of every man, woman, and child. That is the basic gospel message. You are not perfect (and never will be) and Jesus bridges the gap between your and my sin and filth and God's perfect, holiness and love.

[@mrparkerhill]

Your point about middle east women certainly drives it home. I will point out though that it doesn't help a guy/gal struggling with lust when you have no choice but to exist in an environment where the opposite gender dresses provocatively. Of course, this does not reduce the responsibility of the luster by one bit, but it is something to keep in mind. Then again, people find various things provocative, lol.

[@katmaw5910]

Absolutely - agreed. We should see that we don't dress provocatively to better support our struggling brothers and sisters who don't want to lust. We want to help them. But likewise it is the responsibility of the luster to struggle and fight in the Lord's strength. It is a cooperation. Sadly some people will find any excuse to lust after someone, however they may look and plenty ladies dress modestly not to better serve but out of fear of being harassed or even worse. I completely agree with you

[@marciarios5621]

Big problem here with what Chandler is saying. The pastor said the rose represented a person's sexuality-NOT THEIR PERSONHOOD. The rose was passed among 1000 people in the audience and almost ruined. And our body doesn't really do well sexually when passed around and around. The pastor was actually correct. The pastor did not say the person (the rose) has no value to God and Jesus. He said it is not good to pass your body around sexually and you might find yourself unwanted by another person. But not God. That is true. He never said...nobody would want that person, and neither would God. People really need to think about what is being said here. Chandler came to a wrong conclusion and got really mad about it...and has shared this story so many times for some reason. That's unhealthy. By Chandler's own account (since none of us were there) he drew a conclusion...and it sounds like he was wrong...but it made for an adrenaline-producing story for those with poor listening skills...so the hype kept on growing and here it is today. Chandler supports a man (Mark Driscoll) who wrote a book containing a chapter on how wives can effectively sodomize their husbands (prohibited in the Bible as an un-natural use of the body) and yet he had a problem with a pastor calling a congregation to sexual purity???? How can that be? This whole story makes no sense because the comment, "Jesus wants the rose" doesn't really apply to the situation. Jesus wants a personal relationship with us...but surely not a human sexual relationship. Open your listening ears and listen to what Matt said here. Not saying he is a bad person...just saying this is poor listening and flawed logic.

[@apsandlin]

I don't agree but this is the only critique in these comments that has made any attempt to be logical about what has been said here. Thanks for not just throwing out ad hominem arguments or talking about your liver quivers.

[@CheeseandBunions789]

I just watched the video again, and there is nothing in the video which suggests that the pastor was referring to a person's sexuality as being just ONE aspect of their personality. If the pastor was truly referring to sexuality of the rose, why didn't he say " I am referring to the texture of this rose, something that is just ONE PART of it." Instead, what the pastor said was " WHO WOULD WANT THIS?" And when he did that , he was referring to the whole rose as it was, damaged bruised and broken. He was referring to the rose as a whole, including its smell, its texture. In the same way we could also say that he was referring to the whole person, their personality and their essence, their body and their soul, in short, everything about them. The main point is that we as a society have made a business out of judging people based on how many people they have slept with. And if a pastor is doing that then he is perpetuating a message that is not of God but is of the world. Pastors are not supposed to preach that kind of message. If that message is being passed around in worldly circles, it shouldn't be perpetuated in a church and certainly not by a man of God. I personally think you're trying to put words into the pastors mouth because the pastor said "who would want this?" Meaning , "You must be crazy to want something this damaged". And yet YOU say " The pastor never said nobody would want it." You're right , he never said so explicitly, but its implied in the wording that no one , except the most depraved madman would want it, and certainly no one would want to be seen as a depraved madman. And yet Jesus must have seemed that way to many members of his society at the time. Jesus took a Samaritan woman at the well who had had 5 husbands and turned her into an evangelist. In that time and place, would she not have been referred to as a bruised, worthless rose? And yet he saw her value. That's the point Matt Chandler is trying to make. You CANNOT judge people based on their sexuality. Even if what you're saying is true and they pastor was only referring to a persons sexuality, why would he then say "who would want this". That's still a very bad message to pass on to people, because indirectly you're teaching young people that they're crazy if they don't judge others based on their sexuality which is still not a very good message.

[@mulesa101]

If you go to Matt Chandler's church website, many of his sermons from 2008-2009 are largely cut out. He said in many of his recent sermons that the church did so because of a immature angst that was pertained in it. This was early 2009, he was and still is a young preacher with a vast majority of his congregation being young adults. He, himself, acknowledged that this wasn't right nor biblical so I think we can all give him the by on this one. What's important is where Pastor Chandler stands right now.

[@mitchfriedman4936]

Umm actually Jesus will marry her one day when he's united with the church. There's a wedding feast. The church is his bride. If we are in repentance and faith, we are in Christ, despite our sins. Luke 7:36-50 That woman was the rose.

[@dadnboysfunboysndadfun2876]

Actually Driscoll has been reprimanded multiple times and Matt took over acts29 . I get your general jist but overall Matt is theologically sound

[@magicrn2004]

So it is true then...Satan is a thief. He stole a perfectly good and beautiful message from you with a silly gesture a person unwittingly made with their hand. Pitty we make it so easy for him.

[@mrparkerhill]

Well said. Hehe, Song of Songs/Solomon is enough to know about such fetishes, hehehe. *blush*

[@TheWalkingparabox]

but good aint real guize

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

Change the gender roles and see if Chandler is as charitable to the man having an extramarital affair with a woman.

[@riversonglovesthedr]

Your struggle with lust is not the responsibility of young women. That is your walk and your struggle. In the middle east women wear burkas and men still lust. So guess what? How girls dress won't cure your urges.

[@ea-tr1jh]

I agree. I also don't think that lust is every guys problem. The only reason churches present lust as "every man's battle" is because men are visual and they misinterpret that to mean "aLl MeN lUsT". Men are visual, but that doesn't mean all of them lust. Also, churches often misinterpret sexual attraction and think it is lust. If a guy accidently sees a girl naked, he can feel attracted to her appearance and STILL avoid lusting. Attraction is a biological function that is incontrolable. Lust is a consequence of the Fall and IS controllable and preventable. Of course, he shouldn't stare. Look away, dude lol. Its possible, people. But I will also add, that if a girl knows a guy in particular who struggles with lust, she may just help him out by covering up more. Its his problem and responsibility, sure, and he'll probably see scantily clad women in the public world, but whats wrong with helping a brother out?

[@MrMiamike]

in this day and age , where false prophets are so many , i dont have time to let even the tiniest of things slip by, as a man of God he should be extra extra careful on what he does and says, i cant watch his video based on that just one hand sign

[@thomasclark5413]

you are self righteous and YOU need to repent.

[@johnbiven4472]

Imagine being a pastor who baby sits for a woman that uses her free time to have an extra marital affair and then getting mad when a preacher urges people to follow gods sexual law.

[@EmissariesoftheGospel]

And then admitting to murdering a man in his heart in the middle of his sermon Just prior to him going on to virtue signal and Jesus Juke this pastor that he's referring to, who was sing from the whole counsel of God and making a legitimate conclusion regarding the consequences of rampant sexual immorality.

[@steflondon88]

Y’all need to look in the mirror, Matt chandler loves Jesus and isn’t a perfect god figure. Like you haven’t made any mistakes?

[@steflondon88]

He is not against following gods law (maybe slow down on the pride & misinterprations);,,,,, he’s against damaging/crushing people who have left trauma and their past,,, who are trying to find Jesus… Jesus didn’t win peoples hearts through condemnation or crushing them - but the Pharisees sure talked that way “you don’t wanna sipholus do ya?” That’s something they would have said ; the holier than thou types - whereas Jesus favours the man who beats his breast and says Lord I am such a wretched sinner help me !

[@MrMiamike]

Matt guy is doing the horn sign, that for me is already a red flag

[@thomasclark5413]

moron

[@ArmyMedicRN]

He preaches Christ crucified and resurrected

[@Resenbrink]

He needs more hand gestures

[@4096x]

lol

[@steflondon88]

+robby rensenbrink lol , try watching John Piper., whisper, yell, whisper, yell, hand gesture, whisper..

[@Resenbrink]

steflondon88 Oh yeah I'm all over Piper. Total drama queen.

[@steflondon88]

+robby rensenbrink lol, don't get me wrong, I love my J.Pipes!

[@damianwhite9058]

The J. Piper school of preaching. He should probably use" the ecstatic grin while gazing upward" move

[@MrMiamike]

how did satan steal anything from me????????. i can read the bible by myself and whatever i dont understand my father can reveal to me, am not a respecter of men. but of God and his word only, if you dont have eyes to tell the signs of times, that your problem, and in any case, i have listen to this false teacher above , and his teachings are not that teaching of the bible

[@thomasclark5413]

you're a self righteous pharisee. You do not know jesus. you need to repent and come to him for life

[@achilles1191]

Matt trying to get that rose himself lol

[@steflondon88]

You sick. No he isn’t …

[@maddirose4277]

All of you are going to the pit

[@stvnhr]

This guy is questionable at best, unqualified probably, and definitely without self control.

[@crustablesful]

if you are struggling with this, may i suggest a conversion to Islam? better yet, go to syria or egypt and join the rebels and stand with them when sharia is finally imposed on their people. it's wrong to wear certain clothes regardless of your beliefs!

[@a.krishna3924]

how will sharia eliminate adultery in your heart?

[@thirdXnipple]

This is so stupid.

[@Saphireaway]

this is healing.

[@mindflayer0319]

Why?

[@4096x]

Jesus doesn't want the rose, he wants a steak.

[@Samura1gamer]

jesus wants the money. but the catch is no matter how much we give him, he always needs a little more. It's almost as if he operates under a jewish mindset

[@xxl96]

When did he ask for money?

[@Samura1gamer]

if he doesnt want it why are his representatives (who claim to be experts in what jesus wants) gathering daily outrageous sums of money that surpass even the budget of countries?

[@xxl96]

What countries are you referring to? The Village Church is big but their revenue seems moderate based on their attendance.

[@ametrineambrosia4929]

+Samura1gamer So tell me why Jesus was homeless?

[@Samura1gamer]

Prion Indigo jesus was homeless? i think he was on a tour. that's not the same as homeless

[@IGotThatJesusFire]

I can't watch or listen to this without tearing up. The reason I enjoy listen to people like Matt is people you can just feel the conviction in his sermons. You just know that what is being said, is real. And I thank God for using Matt as a godly vessel and someone that has helped me and many others who wrestled and are wrestling to come to know Christ.