Matt Losing Accidentally Outs Himself as Fake PHD and then Deletes Video

[@GVS]

Bromley: "Your degree isn't worth anything" Wenning: "But I got Cs!"

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Not quite the flex you think it is bro

[@lockheedcolin]

Anything under C+ is considered a failing grade at a master's degree level, and everyone expects you to get A's. This whole thing is hilarious, what a clown

[@2ndavenuesw481]

So long as you meet the requirements of the degree, I doubt a C grade is going to mean you don't get your degree. Professors wouldn't generally give Cs to someone, but that doesn't mean they couldn't, and that person couldn't pass the examinations and defend a thesis.

[@Alan-Roberts-g]

HE FAKENATTY JASON CALL YOU OUT

[@2o3ief]

​@@2ndavenuesw481one C sure but you're talking out of your ass. If you're in a actual PhD program you're being paid (not well of course) and taking a very limited spot. It is absolutely not a throughput money business for universities nor is it set up or intended to be

[@cammackk]

Its funny how Matt idolised Ed Coan so much, but personally and philosophy wise they are so far apart, Ed Coan's basic philosophy (paraphrasing) is 'im one of the best lifters of all time, this is what i did, but if what your doing right now works for you and is different to what i did, DONT listen to me, only you can what works for you' its such a down to earth and sound concept. And pretty much the exact opposite approach to advice and coaching that Matt has

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Probably only saw the lifts and didn't get the character

[@cammackk]

​@@atlaspowershruggedI'd be interested to see what Ed actually thinks of Matt (honest at his age he probably doesn't give AF) because they have spoken numerous times, and have known each other for at least 15 years at this point.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

But the whole point of Matt's training is precisely *to do* what works for you

[@aguuug5139]

​@@donjuanmckenzie4897 not really... he and julius maddox are so up their own asses

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

@@aguuug5139 No actually it really is. That doesn't equate to "do anything." You set rules in the general, and you make specific judgements about each subject.

[@davidsagona417]

Not being honest about his kidneys is a problem, too. The doctor title attempt is an insult to real doctorate graduates.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Lmao, then why doesn't that dude who hack deadlifted 1100 lbs have kidney issues, he lifts absurd weight all the time. Maybe because he isn't doing Westside barbell style drugs?

[@davidsagona417]

@atlaspowershrugged It sounds as if he is hoping everyone listening is ignorant.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

@@davidsagona417 many such cases

[@user-fb9pp6nz1v]

You can get kidney damage from me work tho

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

@@atlaspowershrugged Was his father exposed to Agent Orange?

[@colbysullivan4415]

I bought your book Atlas. I think based on degree mill logic that legally entitles me to change my name to Lord Jefferson Zercher. I expect to be appointed to the athletic director of Stonehenge any day now.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

That would be sick although I recommend avebury. It's bigger and less crowded

[@jese5733]

Loving this matt slander😁 that guy is a textbook narcisist...

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Many such cases...

[@scottybassman]

It's only slander if it's false 🥰

[@prtheid]

Also a straight up moron

[@aliensnail7173]

To be fair, lyle does call people out nearly to the point of a fault. From what i hear from him speak, the validity of the studies is important to him and has one of the few people that rejects the crap Bayesian values or p values of a lot of studies and frequently points out the poor study design. He also talked about how lengthened partials as a main growing mechanism were a fad well before many others called it out.

[@BuJammy]

Lyle is now being called "anti-science" by the science tube influencers. World's gone mad.

[@mcfarvo]

Yeah, Lyle isn't "anti-science," just because he criticizes the scientific literature...scientists are supposed to be critical of the scientific literature! That's what peer-review and self-editing and hypothesis formation and the "conclusion/discussion" section of a paper are all about: criticism!

[@danielbrown001]

Lyle is anti-scienTISM, which is the blind worship of scientists without any critical thinking. Lyle is one of the most pro-science people I know. He just doesn’t accept conclusions that aren’t supported by the raw data.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

It's a personality cult, and he called the leader and lumpy princess or whatever

[@ChadAV69]

I wish KZbin would crack down on scam artists such as Matt like they do random comments that get autodeleted for no given reason.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

We can dream lol

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

They don't even block scam ads. They could care less

[@Hibachigrills212]

M

[@jamok3]

"If I'm not a real doctor then how come you can't squat 700lbs!"

[@bruuhhhh]

4:22 absolutely assaulted my ears lmao

[@atlaspowershrugged]

@@bruuhhhh blame Bedros kelulian, not me

[@bruuhhhh]

@atlaspowershrugged no blame haha great video just made me jump

[@CompensatoryMechanism]

#EarRape

[@rockyevans1584]

​@@atlaspowershruggedlike your stuff bro, but don't keep your volume so low that I get hearing damage when you swap things up ya muppet

[@LatimusChadimus]

Matt Losing. Love it 😂😂😂

[@Tegronixxl]

Last video he posted, he dropped the Dr Matt Wenning at the beginning of his vid

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Lmao he guilty

[@Tegronixxl]

😂 this whole thing is wild. I could care less if he actually got a PhD but the fact he’s claiming Dr. SMH. It’s like the guy claiming fake PRs.

[@SOC-ir6im]

@@atlaspowershruggedsaid he’s only gonna use ‘Dr.’ for certain things now like interviews and podcasts

[@shades4313]

I remember when Alex Leonidas interviewed him a few years ago, I genuinely Thought a lot of the things he said made a ton of sense and it really excited me. But then I started following him and I realized he wasn’t really interested in helping anyone, just having people pay for his Patreon. He’s kind of just a snake oil salesman And also, he refuses to change his position on certain things (like squatting with knees going over toes) that he’s obviously wrong about

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

Source-- trust me bro.

[@SOC-ir6im]

Constantly complains about all the ‘free’ info he gives out on KZbin and nobody gives hims money for it 😂

[@stray88]

Matt was one of those powerlifters that "beat" Tom Platz by doing his record with parallel, low-bar squats. I knew he was a turd after that.

[@bryanscruggs7566]

Tom Platz used fake weights

[@blakealtonen9858]

He actually didnt beat it he did 5 pounds less then the record matt did 520 i believe and platz was 525. Hey matt is a very impressive lifter, lets not take that away from him.

[@stray88]

@@blakealtonen9858 525 high-bar, to the floor is a whole different animal than 525, low-bar, parallel. You want to parade about beating a guy's record, do it right.

[@stray88]

​@@bryanscruggs7566 cope

[@blakealtonen9858]

@@stray88 Mitch hooper broke the record for real atg.

[@TheStrugglingLifter]

To be fair, Matt Wenning is highly knowledgeable in strength training. It's unfortunate that he had to do this Dr stuff

[@89sharlo]

Can you make a case for modern people using 'the science' as a weird substitute for religion?

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Most definitely. Scientism

[@ezradanger]

Just for shits and giggles, I copy and pasted your comment into my phone's Gemini assistant. Here's what it came up with. Some people treat science as a belief system by placing absolute faith in its findings, regardless of personal understanding. This tendency is exacerbated by the increasing specialization and complexity of scientific fields, which creates a significant knowledge gap between experts and the general public. This leads to several issues: * Accepting scientific claims without scrutiny: Much like dogma, some individuals may accept scientific findings as absolute truth without questioning methodologies or limitations. This is particularly problematic when individuals lack the scientific literacy to understand the research themselves. They are essentially forced to take scientific pronouncements "on faith," trusting in the authority of scientists and institutions. This creates a vulnerability to misinformation and the misrepresentation of scientific findings. * Seeking moral guidance from science: People may look to science to answer questions about morality and purpose, potentially leading to the creation of a "scientific" ethical framework. This can be problematic if the underlying science is misunderstood or selectively interpreted. * Elevating scientists to near-prophet status: Prominent scientists may be seen as infallible authorities, with their pronouncements accepted without question. This can stifle critical thinking and lead to an uncritical acceptance of even preliminary or contested findings. The "appeal to authority" fallacy becomes particularly potent in this context. * Using science to validate personal beliefs: Some may selectively interpret scientific findings to support pre-existing worldviews, similar to how religious texts are sometimes used. This can lead to the cherry-picking of data and the dismissal of contradictory evidence. The lack of personal capacity for peer review or even basic comprehension of complex research necessitates a degree of trust in scientific institutions and the scientific process. However, this trust should not be blind faith. It's crucial to promote scientific literacy, encourage critical thinking, and foster transparency in scientific communication to bridge the knowledge gap and prevent the misuse of scientific authority.

[@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002]

Yeah, Wenning has had my eyebrow raising for a while now. On table talk he implied that he dropped 6 figures on a PhD. He also seems to be stealing clout from Charles Poliquin. Even saying he had to reteach Poliquin to squat his way because he had cooked his knees. Even claiming that Poliquin changed his mind about the knees over toes thing. Nobody is saying this but him, and it wasn't ever actually a situation where Poliquin just didn't have the facts. He had the highest pedigree among strength coaches. I can go on all day about red flags, but let me just say that I'm very well studied in marketing, and sales. Everything about Wenning's content is from the dark side of marketing. He is definitely being manipulative. The funny thing is, that most of the modern consumers have developed a resistance to that. It's actually turning a lot of his prospects off. In modern marketing, and sales you have to prioritize building trust more than you use to, and his cheap, low effort self stroking is almost certainly working against him.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

You act like Matt Wenning is trying to sell you super male vitality and not trying to tell you to do a warmup

[@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002]

@donjuanmckenzie4897 Nah, I act like he is trying to sell an exclusive that he doesn't actually have, because that's what he is doing.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

@@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002 Wtf is that even supposed to mean?

[@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002]

@donjuanmckenzie4897 exactly what part are you having trouble understanding? We've got 25 likes here from people who know what I meant. I figured it was communicated pretty well.

[@brainpower6807]

Dr. "no tan" Mike proved that PHD means nothing.

[@jackhanson1274]

From Matt's personal page as of 05/01/2025: "Studied Anti Gravity with NASA"!? What am I reading lads?

[@bigdude382]

I knew i should've clicked on his rebuttal video ehen it came across my feed. I saw Bromley's vid letting us know about these so called credentials and was pretty shocked as i do like Wenning's vids about training and didn’t realize he is one of the yt dr's we see so much of these days.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Wish I'd saved it. Oh well

[@IlikeTwodl]

Time passes and the only thing I’ve learned is that if a fitness influencers with a PHD is fighting with a bro Id rather listen to the bro. Not like mr phd wont change his opinion in a couple of months anyways

[@atlaspowershrugged]

The thing is, wenning could have just been a bro he's strong af

[@IlikeTwodl]

@@atlaspowershrugged absolutely but I guess results dont sell as much as diplomas this days

[@samj8932]

Absolutely hilarious how little a PhD seems to mean in this space 🤣. I'm science based in other parts of life but when it's about fitness, I look for the guy who optimally has brains AND actual brawn. Someone who clearly can see the bigger picture and has an idea of how to train people/ himself. In this field you get perplexing people who have PhDs but spout the most garbage info

[@danielbrown001]

@@samj8932Exercise Science is such a super young field that’s lacking funding and resources. The studies are often poorly conducted or poorly analyzed both statistically and analytically. And there’s a gigantic lack of oversight in peer review. Because of all these flaws, the empirical evidence gathered by bros holds more credibility than PubMed warriors citing abstracts of poorly conducted studies that they didn’t even read.

[@mcfarvo]

6:45 yooo! I was ABD as a PhD candidate in a Medical School (in a program for Molecular Biology), and much of the course work in the med school was pass-fail. This is also how comprehensive exams and your oral defense and written thesis proposal are...pass or fail. I ended up writing my dissertation a couple yeara early (prematurely), so I was awarded a M.S. instead, but whatever, I got a job right away in drug screening. IMHO, Wenning is not a "doctor."

[@Lukemakesprs]

I like the take, and the honesty with your own education history and experience

[@mrhigeji]

I'm in academia myself and nobody ever uses titles outside of a very formal setting. People should avoid or be at least suspicious of all influencers that use Dr/PhD in their branding unless they're a medical doctor. It's just unethical

[@BuJammy]

Same, although I'm in Britain, which used "Dr" and "Professor" slightly differently. However, and as much as I hate to be "this guy" I have seen some of the gender studies phds insist on being called "Dr" outside of an academic setting (about 10 years ago I overheard one of them insisting on being called "Doctor" in the campus doctor's surgery, lol).

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

I'm a highly respected doctor

[@nmnate]

We either took 3 or 4 classes per semester when I was in grad school. There wasn't much push to go much faster, and some of the courses could be quite time consuming outside of class, on top of a TA or RA position (note: 3.5 minimum GPA required). I did mostly RA work, except for one year when there wasn't as much funding and I volunteered to TA for a undergrad design course. I ran the labs, graded homeworks and had open office hours which were almost entirely unattended until finals came around. Funny how that works. 🤣 I wanted to finish my M.S. in 2 years, but I was right up against the deadline with my thesis defense and due to needed some edits from my committee, it ended up taking another semester. Most of the professors in my department were guiding the master's students toward a 3 year schedule, and also toward master's 'projects' which has less requirements on your thesis. I thought that was kinda ridiculous and just did the 'thesis' anyways. IIRC the major difference was very specific requirements for the formatting of the document...which was really easy to set up in LaTeX. I think most of the doctoral students just did PhDs with typical dissertations. I'm not sure if there was an EngD type program set up. Oh, and PhDs absolutely have to go through qualifying exams, which can be pretty gnarly in technical fields. They can weed out a lot of doctoral candidates.

[@Thefool1911]

He also made a 10 min vid a while back glazing mike o hearn and saying he was natty 🤪

[@CompensatoryMechanism]

Really?

[@MF-hz6xx]

Duck eggs bro💪

[@weakest_serb]

man you are dropping these videos like crazy. barely commented on your last 2 and now there is a third one lol

[@LatimusChadimus]

Go back&comment lol earn your degree in powershrugging

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Don't get used to it lol, I have to get back to writing my fasting ebook

[@weakest_serb]

@atlaspowershrugged Guess you will be forcing us to fast from your content too lol

[@adamwalker1707]

Even in the Westside space, Matt has completely coined everything from Louie, the Russians, the Bulgarians systems and twisted it into thinking he figured out the hacks himself with the Wenning warmups, then when asked about it, he was the one pushed out of Westside when it was his ego getting in the way. I met him last year at the Arnold and the dude is a great guy to talk to one on one but wants a pat on the back so much about what he has done reading old Russian books about nothing different than what Super Training and the Conjugate method talk about. It is a little shocking to me because if you talk to most Westside guys about Conjugate training, most of them add the comment, "It's a way, NOT THE WAY!" saying that yes conjugate is a system that works, but not the system above all systems. He does some things right with the Wenning Belt Squat, the machine has taught me to keep my adductors out and to stay back on my heels when squatting. The point you made about him really capping with him being an elite level equipped powerlifter is a great point, just cap on that and go off that.

[@derekreasch9499]

You do know he already had a master’s degree in biomechanics right?

[@Death_Strong]

How do we know that was his full PhD transcript and not just a year’s worth of it? Are we also ignoring his bachelors and masters while at the same time calling him out for knowing nothing about higher education? But he’s not science based or educated so he should just sell on his powerlifting accomplishments?

[@stingrae789]

You should be incredibly suspect of a taught PhD program. Taught masters are different. The exceptions are vetinarians, medical doctors and dentists. PhDs are generally research focused and usually implies work contributing to new knowledge to a field. From this video I can tell there's some odd differences to the American education system.

[@thrashwerk]

@Death_Strong Then Matt should've done a better job at showing us his credentials. I mean if he really has a PhD then it shouldn't be that hard for him to do so.

[@Death_Strong]

@@stingrae789 wow so he hasn’t done any research or contributed any new information to the field?

[@Death_Strong]

@@thrashwerk ok so he has a PD not a PhD and has always said so, and I didn’t know it was his job to be accountable to you and show you every one of his transcripts.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

We're not talking about his bachelor's or masters because that's not the part he's lying about

[@rodgerbroome]

List Of Research Degrees: * Doctor of Arts (DA) * Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) * Doctor of Canon Law (JCD) * Doctor of Design (DDes) * Doctor of Engineering or Engineering Science (DEng, DESc, DES) * Doctor of Education (EdD) * Doctor of Fine Arts (DFA.) * Doctor of Hebrew Letters (DHL) * Doctor of Juridical Science (JSD, SJD) * Doctor of Musical Arts (DMA) * Doctor of Music Education (DME) * Doctor of Modern Languages (DML) * Doctor of Nursing Science (DNSc) * Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) * Doctor of Public Health (DPH) * Doctor of Sacred Theology (STD) * Doctor of Science (DSc, ScD) * Doctor of Theology (ThD) List Of Professional Degrees * Doctor of Acupuncture (D.Ac., D.Acu.) * Doctor of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (D.A.O.M.) * Doctor of Anesthesia Practice (Dr.AP) * Doctor of Applied Science (D.A.S.) * Doctor of Architecture (D.Arch.) * Doctor of Athletic Training (D.A.T.) * Doctor of Audiology (Au.D) * Doctor of Behavioral Health (D.B.H.) * Doctor of Chemistry (D.Chem.) * Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) * Doctor of Church Music (D.C.M.) * Doctor of Clinical Nutrition (D.C.N.) * Doctor of Clinical Science in Speech-Language Pathology (CScD) * Doctor of Comparative Law (D.C.L.) * Doctor of Civil Law (D.C.L.) * Doctor of Computer Science (D.C.S.) * Doctor of Criminal Justice (D.C.J.) * Doctor of Criminology (D.Crim.) * Doctor of Divinity (Divinitatis Doctor) (D.D.) * Doctor of Dental Medicine (D.M.D.) * Doctor of Dental Surgery (D.D.S.) * Doctor of Environmental Science and Engineering (D.Env.) * Doctor of Forestry (D.F.) * Doctor of Geological Science (D.G.S.) * Doctor of Health Administration (D.H.A.) * Doctor of Health and Safety (D.H.S.) * Doctor of Health Education (D.H.Ed) * Doctor of Hebrew Literature/Letters (D.H.L.) * Doctor of Health Science (D.H.Sc., D.H.S.) * Doctor of Hebrew Studies (D.H.S.) * Doctor of Humane Letters (D.Hum.Litt.) * Doctor of Industrial Technology (D.I.T.) * Doctor of Information Technology (D.I.T.) * Juris Doctor (J.D.) * Doctor of Law and Policy (L.P.D., D.L.P.) * Doctor of Liberal Studies (D.L.S.) * Doctor of Library Science (D.L.S.) * Doctor of Management (D.M.) * Doctor of Medical Humanities (D.M.H.) * Doctor of Medical Physics (D.M.P) * Doctor of Medical Science (D.M.Sc.) * Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) * Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.) * Doctor of Missiology (D.Miss) * Doctor of Music (D.M., D.Mus.) * Doctor of Music Therapy (D.M.T.) * Doctor of Naprapathic Medicine (D.N.) * Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (N.D., N.M.D.) * Doctor of Nursing Practice (D.N.P.) * Doctor of Occupational Therapy (O.T.D., D.O.T.) * Doctor of Optometry (O.D.) * Doctor of Organizational Leadership * Doctor of Oriental Medicine (D.O.M., O.M.D.) * Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.) * Doctor of Pastoral Counseling (D.PC) * Doctor of Pastoral Music (D.P.M.) * Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm.D.) * Doctor of Physical Education (D.P.E.) * Doctor of Physical Therapy (D.P.T.) * Doctor of Podiatric Medicine (D.P.M.) * Doctor of Practical Theology (D.P.T., D.Th.P.) * Doctor of Professional Studies (D.P.S.) * Doctor of Psychology (Psy.D) * Doctor of Public Administration (D.P.A.) * Doctor of Recreation (D.Rec., D.R.) * Doctor of Rehabilitation (Rh.D.) * Doctor of Sacred Music (D.S.M.) * Doctor of Science in Dentistry (D.Sc.D.) * Doctor of Science and Hygiene (D.Sc.H.) * Doctor of Science in Veterinary Medicine (D.Sc.V.M.) * Doctor of the Science of Law (J.S.D.) * Doctor of Social Science (D.S.Sc.) * Doctor of Social Work (D.S.W.) * Doctor of Transformational Leadership (D.T.L.) * Doctor of Veterinary Medicine (D.V.M.)

[@IIG]

I hate that I missed Matt's video. I really hope it resurfaces. I respect him and Bromley, but man, this has been a one sided thrashing.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

@@IIG it was not up long lol

[@takashi-lee3943]

Litterally in my first semester of undergraduate I learned talking to a TA that for a masters you need a minimum B letter grade to stay in

[@CompensatoryMechanism]

"Matt Losing" Bwah! 😄

[@BerserkerLewis]

Your video description is hilarious 😂

[@LarryReynolds591]

The "shouldn't call them doctors" line is such hillbilly BS. PhD literally means "Doctor of Philosophy" and is much older than the entirety of the medical profession itself. The reason we call them medical doctors is because we created a professional degree for physicians.

[@ontheballcity71]

I suspect there may be regional variations in the requirements for various degrees. My PhD had no taught courses; the assessment was entirely on my thesis. My MSc had 4 taught courses and thesis; 4 As and a decent thesis was sufficient for a distinction.

[@nickvoelker7180]

If there isn't a resident student requirement for a science degree of any type, the school is a degree mill. Even doctoral programs in the softer sciences have a resident student requirement.

[@waffles418]

All this talk about his coursework and transcripts, while interesting, misses the bigger issue, which is that doctorates aren't about the coursework. It's about conducting origin research that culminates in a doctoral thesis. Edit: Source: I used the word "culminate" in a sentence

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Which you don't do in a mail order "doctorate" program

[@waffles418]

@@atlaspowershrugged No, typically not ;-)

[@carlosolivares6969]

The science based guys can’t criticize the science they reference because it would expose their entire gimmick

[@carlosolivares6969]

Gimmick might be a stretch (no pun intended lol) but there’s a lot of methodological flaws with these fitness PhDs touting themselves as experts on everything hypertrophy related

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I mean it shouldn't have to if they were actually acting scientific

[@blue_samurai_zero]

Regarding the expectation that we should get A's in our post-graduate education... This is what surprised me when I started with a personal training cert. Yeah, that's not formal ed, but it is applicable to one's profession and is only a starting point if you want to take it further. These certs from the NASM and NSCA require only 68-70% to pass. I was shocked! No, I wanna requirement of 95+% to pass. If it involves affecting others' healths and lives, I wanna know my stuff! I lost a lot of respect for the "exercise science space."

[@kaizenproductions00]

Wenning is Blaha's lost cousin lmao

[@mcfarvo]

What do Bromley and Wenning think of Dr. Dre?

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I think they forgot about dre.

[@BUFFALO_cougar_slayer]

The audio being juuuuuuust out of sync with the mouth movement is strangely mesmerizing

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

His thesis is, "Kinematic and kinetic differences in the barbell squat wearing two different types of shoes" issued in 2005.

[@g__l7217]

HOLY HELL!!! u jump scared me with the volume jump at 4:23. Actually not cool that fucked with me. Funny a bit but damn that was unpleasant

[@justjacqueline2004]

Are post graduate degrees in the West not based on original work now?

[@christianayalacruz1095]

When I was doing my masters, a C meant you needed to retake the class. Cs are pretty much Fs in that they don't count towards grad credits. Sad he'd post this as "proof" that his "degree" is "legit". Desperate move

[@jdthegimp]

peer review, science. God bless you.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

The whole 8 core classes of a phd is actually somewhat plausible (assuming he also got 'research' based 'course' credits)... the focus in grad school is NOT courses taken, its almost all research based. There's a reason why many programs have 5-year combined undergrad/masters programs... you don't need that many classes for upper level courses. Generally speaking, a grad student should expect 2-4 classes per semester for their first year or mayybe two... and then a sporadic class or maybe two every other semester (if that). The whole "C" grade thing is pretty true though, lol: in grad school, a grade of a "C" is basically equivalent to failing "F" in undergrad (or at least "D"s)... However, I do not agree with your 'reasoning' for why that is being "because, you're expected to be an expert in your/this field" LMAOOO, absolutely not (maybe it words/title... but definitely not practice, lol). The average grad student (or at least the phd track) didn't give a single crap about their course work, and definitely didn't care about being "masters" of their respective material, lololol.

[@joseyjones-df7jv]

That’s true about the grades I’m in a masters program right now and I got one C and I had to retake the course literally it’s way different this guy is exactly right B is passing but you will certainly be having to explain yourself

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I've heard some exceptions but I'm pretty sure that's standard

[@matthewcordeiro2073]

I can see wenning revenue stream take a dive.

[@hunterrobertson5740]

According to Wenning he has a masters in Biomechanics from Ball State, so he does understand the rigors of Graduate course work. I wouldn't give him the out of being ignorant, he knew it wasn't up to snuff, but I'm assuming he felt the potential growth financially from having “Dr" next to his name was worth it. I would think his history as a power lifter and Masters (if his website is honest) would be enough to be an authority figure on the subject of lifting.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

His thesis is, "Kinematic and kinetic differences in the barbell squat wearing two different types of shoes." Issued in 2005.

[@oceanusrienhardt4207]

Matt is talking all kinds of shit about bromley on live right now even aftwr he deleted the video

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Of course, in safety where there's no record that can be used against him. Coward.

[@thisusedtobeme]

Is anyone doing the 45 minute Wenning warmups lol

[@mikecartier6163]

My favourite doctors are the ones that tell you lifting heavy weights will kill your kidneys.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Lmao. Real professional medical opinion there

[@dessertstorm7476]

Matt is kind of out there on his own doing his own thing. He usually disagrees with the science gang and also disagrees with all modern powerlifting coaches. He's westside but claims he's better than westside. He's very much a fringe influencer already so I don't think this will affect him much

[@wheelhouse44]

If you have a PhD your title is Dr. The cut off for graduate work is 80%. You have to have an 80% or above in any class to pass the course.

[@JLX1373]

any plans to make a video on neck training?

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I've made insta reels on it. And i have a free workout on the Ganbaru Method App

[@noman-s6l]

It's sad , he achieved a lot. Why even need to get a paper/title that you know how to lift if you did so many competitions, lift those numbers and were fairly injury free( that's was most impressive for me).

[@kamo7293]

it's actually "randomised human control test"

[@Mixer-1111]

Dr Pepper has more academic standing than Matt at this point.

[@BuJammy]

I'm in Britain, which used "Dr" and "Professor" slightly differently, but it;s the same here. However, and as much as I hate to be "this 2015 own the essjaydublUs guy" I have seen some of the gender studies phds insist on being called "Dr" outside of an academic setting (about 10 years ago I overheard one of them insisting on being called "Doctor" in the campus doctor's surgery, lol).

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

As someone who's worked about 3 years full time for a phd in engineering I've grown accustomed to the fact that medical doctors get their doctorate for almost nothing. Their thesis is usually equivalent or even less than a bachelor's or master's thesis in another subject. But as I said, I accept that as a historical relict. For most people, doctor and physician are synonymous and, ironically, for them real scientists aren't "real doctors". But the way the US sells doctorates to all kinds of people is on another level of enraging. All kinds of professionals in the medical field like chiropractors or physical therapists get a doctorate. Sports "scientists" have a few people work out in a gym for 6 months and get a doctorate for that. The economization of education in that country opened the door to corruption.

[@TimothyAdams-ln2jr]

A "C" grade in any graduate course would require you to retake the class.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Yep

[@noradlark167]

No, if you only have one C, and your overall GPA is 3.0 or 3.5 depending on the program.

[@TimothyAdams-ln2jr]

@@noradlark167 A C grade in a graduate program is a failing mark, the class would have to be retaken.

[@noradlark167]

@TimothyAdams-ln2jr No, not always. One C is passable if your overall grade is high. Source: I did it twice. And really, focusing on grades on graduate is not a thing anymore. Everyone looks at your research.

[@TimothyAdams-ln2jr]

@@noradlark167 probably true, I hope you never get a surgeon with your newly minted high standards of academics

[@anthonyesposito7144]

He is just money grab. Bought one of his programs came with adds. I have bought many programs, his was the only one with adds

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Lmao adds in the program? That's nasty work!

[@EDtheIslander]

So you telling me Wenning isn’t winning this one ???

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Not this time lol

[@ryanoverton4576]

"Matt Losing" is fucking hilarious.

[@wobetwest2196]

Professional doctoreret is a real thing. It just does not mean you end up calling yourself doctor.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Not from east Albania U

[@benbernanke7701]

4:20 I thought I got an ad oof

[@atlaspowershrugged]

You did, for a 20k scam course lol

[@UncommonSense]

That's funny

[@CompensatoryMechanism]

Coach Theo! In the house!

[@crabdoesnothing8213]

Matt Losing is insane 😭

[@ebsss100]

Your Voice sounds pretty low in this video even with my volume turned up all they way

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

OK but his training system is still really good.

[@kylewells1928]

in the masters program that i did, anything below a B was considered failing

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I'm pretty sure that's standard

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

He completed his Masters in 2005.

[@CrashMetaReligion1996]

I have two questions and maybe somebody can answer them. 1. Is all his education fraudulent? Like is his bachelors degree and masters degree also garbage or just the so called doctorate he got? 2. Do you think he was actually genuinely tricked by this program? Or do you think this was malicious intent and he knows full well he was pulling garbage? It’s sad he really was a great lifter.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Afaik just the "doctorate"

[@d-_-b-Phil]

4:23 I just had a heart attack dude. Please check your audio levels xddd

[@sack-shaw]

I discounted Matt after watching his video on why powerlifting builds less muscle than bodybuilding. Apparently your fast twitch muscle fibers are smaller than your slow twitch fibers. Powerlifters only build their fast twitch fibers and therefore, don't grow as much. I doubt you could even attain even an undergraduate degree with such a basic misunderstanding.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

What video is this from?

[@nathanmiller1]

I've seen videos by Matt Wenning some time back. I have no respect for that guy if this is the kind of bullshit he is spewing.

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

such as?

[@OT-jr8qt]

Could you be more specific about Andrew lock being a degenerate? I’m not a fan, met him during a seminar and thought he was a whack job with his lock necklace

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I mostly meant he looks wierd and I don't like him lol

[@OT-jr8qt]

@ Fair enough. I remember him pulling out a card from his wallet saying he’s able to marry people in the church of Satan. Also associates with Rhys Keane, a known satanist and sexual degenerate.

[@brianmcgrath5977]

Not saying I aprove ,in fact I dont. For the record anyone can call them selves a Doctor. If you call yourself an MD (and you are not)you are committing a crime.

[@eslaubachel]

Ok that's why I couldn't find the video

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Yup

[@scott7684]

that's some sad sh t lol c's don't cut it at post grad period let alone phd level

[@highfructosedreams]

4:25 Earrape warning

[@WiecznieNieNasycony]

you have 48 h to add video where you do power shrugs or you need to change channel name ))

[@mannyramirez7609]

Oww my ears

[@ragingmoderate6791]

I respect the work that goes into getting a phd, but people with phds who refer to themselves as "doctor" are lame. It is an appeal to the cathedral and 100% a logical fallacy.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

That's a name I've not heard in a long time...

[@reggie7716]

Lyle McDonald is science based and he calls out BS from people like Layne Norton all the time. Always respected Lyle for it.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Definitely. Wasn't talking about him because he'd definitely outside the clique

[@do_odman]

it's crazy how much you can achieve and still feel insecure about shit like this.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Yes. Video or essay coming soon.

[@peterbraza2808]

I'm just discovering your channel and great video overall, this is the second I've watched from you (the first being "Science Based Influencers Need to Police Their Own"). You've earned a subscriber from me. This is a minor point but I still feel that it needs to be brought up because I do generally very much like Menno Henselmans' content; he has in fact pushed back against certain more trendy ideas in the exercise science community. Off the top of my head, he posted a video in response to Milo Wolf about how much protein is really needed recently and also softly disagreed with Mike Israetel on a video they did together. Milo Wolf "rebuttal": kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGXZdImJp6lmbLc

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I've posted on Instagram about a lot of menno's posts that are absolute trash. 0 quality control there.

[@peterbraza2808]

@@atlaspowershrugged I don't have instagram; out of curiosity, what were some of those posts from Menno?

[@thegoldfish123]

2 Kiwi Bromleycord Gymcels assemble!

[@atlaspowershrugged]

You guys are pretty formidible lol. Good catch finding out about this stuff.

[@williammay7882]

You look like a swole Mr Beast

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Hello Darkness my old friend

[@stingrae789]

Ok so there's a few things I think need to be addressed. Post graduate degrees are generally divided into two types : Coursework and research. It is unusual to have a coursework PhD and would be a good sign of a scam or degree mill. The only exceptions are careers like veterinary science, medicine, dentistry and perhaps psychology. The US obviously has some differences to the UK/rest of the world. In the UK an honours degree is usually baked into an undergraduate degree but this isn't true everywhere, this would be for lots of people their first foray into postgraduate studies. The rest of the world doesn't hold to the grades rant you went on. Standards vary by course by subject etc. It's probably pretty feasible to finish a course with a C. But the rest of the world doesn't really use A/B/C for university grading and those grading bands also vary but usually it's first/upper second / lower second / third. An exceptional student will be given a degree cum laude or summa cum laude. If you're doing a degree by research this will solely be judged on a dissertation. Mine was about 200 pages. Degrees by research often take far longer to complete. It's a very sad thing that many who know nothing about academics want to stop those who achieve PhDs from using the title doctor. It's not necessary and actually these people are showing they don't understand even what PhD stands for (doctorate of philosophy). In this case it seems open and shut that this was a degree mill but it's likely his masters program was legitimate, although because it was coursework there's no proof of this but someone could contact the faculty I'm sure. My point with this comment is don't speak too much in absolutes because to someone outside of America it would sound like you were making up some crazy system.

[@DavenportBarbell1984]

I did a video on this kzbin.infoucMqKMwlU_c?si=XrSqQbTPpt2W_2Yn

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

Not much different than "Dr" Mike. The same applies for his BJJ brown belt.

[@asketillus8679]

Whatever you or anyone else might think about Mike, and I understand why some people don’t like him, there’s nothing about his education that isn’t legit. He taught at a pretty decent university and doesn’t display any of the discrepancies that Matt wenning does with his education. Again, not saying anything Mike does is good or bad, but he’s definitely not lying about his PhD.

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

@asketillus8679 You're right. Mike is worse.

[@asketillus8679]

@ you’re entitled to your opinion on Mike, I’m not saying anything against that. I’m just saying he has an actual PhD from an accredited university unlike Wenning

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

@@asketillus8679 And he uses that PhD to mislead people, making him worse.

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

@@asketillus8679 And he uses his phd to mislead people. That's far worse.

[@nateperryshootingsports6201]

Wenning at least has competed in powerlifting

[@atlaspowershrugged]

👏

[@marius316]

Stick to your odd lifts. Matt gets all A's for out lifting all the youtubers trashtalking him.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Then why does he need to lie

[@kimjongun2536]

Has Matt ever out lifted John hack ?

[@adonosssi]

Im sorry but he has right to use doctor title thats just a fact u need to do a little more recearch man facts are facts he is doctor

[@joefoster9303]

FYI he worked with Dr Kramer he worked under Simmons he set records. He has lifted and worked with military and pro teams and fire departments. Are you kidding me. Eddie Cohen endorsed Matt what else can a man do. Maybe you should support him instead of tear him down

[@atlaspowershrugged]

With all that, he shouldn't have to lie about credentials he doesn't have should he?

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

@@atlaspowershrugged Well, he does have them. You just don't approve of the institution he got them from

[@MrCatgroove]

calm down with the sock accounts Matt

[@atlaspowershrugged]

@@donjuanmckenzie4897 my brother in Christ the "institution" he got them from is Temu

[@donjuanmckenzie4897]

@@atlaspowershrugged My brother in reddit Ball State is not "Temu."

[@wateronmars-bz4yc]

you can totally get cs in grad school. whether or not they keep you....

[@atlaspowershrugged]

Ok then by that logic you *can* get fs in college

[@wateronmars-bz4yc]

@atlaspowershrugged never got an f in college. got a lone c in grad school because I skipped a final exam to protest a professor's bullshit. just speaking truth

[@atlaspowershrugged]

@wateronmars-bz4yc what did he say?

[@wateronmars-bz4yc]

@atlaspowershrugged lol he hated me. the head of the department felt otherwise. she said it was because I was too much like him. when I came in the next class, I could tell he was waiting for me to beg and apologize. and I instead just said " yeah it happens. " therapist phds have some of the biggest egos in academia. and they hate the students who have greater insight. head of the department fell just short of being nominated to be the president of the ACA.....American Counseling Association. so these were heavy hitters. fortunately she was higher up on the food chain than him