I WANT TO BE LEGENDARY!! | Reaction | Epic The Musical | Wisdom Saga

[@Mattables]

Welp, did not even think for a second that was Telemachus. I thought we were going through flashbacks and such. The last time I saw him, I thought it was when he was a baby, so I kinda got lost in how much time goes by and what not. Sorry about that everyone! Hope you can still enjoy the reaction regardless xD

[@ArtTrashKing]

It’s okay- glad to finally see you can probably listen again in your own time with a better understanding this time of the events lol 😂😂😂

[@MesoJoe]

of note the premier stream and a few of the better animatics of legendary include "Seven Years Later" to make it extra clear

[@Mattables]

@@ArtTrashKing Well for sure, now i just feel like an IDIOT lol! But hey, nothing I can do about it now xD

[@InternetsDadGaming]

Well timeline wise, he would have been about 13 by the time the Thunder Saga ends (10 years of war + 3 of Odysseus men getting turned into salsa), it's the 7 year Calypso timeskip that really catches you off guard

[@Mattables]

@@MesoJoe I understood there was a big time gap, just not that we went to see the perspective of his son. Idk why my first thought was "back in time" instead of "back at home". It is 100% on me not considering it for a second.

[@tsutomumybeloved7411]

You guessing the doctor who theory instead of simply figuring out it’s Telemachus baffled me so much I actually choked on my boba

[@icemagiciangh]

@@tsutomumybeloved7411 man went way too deep into theory land, and I just went “Matt, sweetie… no.” 😂I don’t know how he arrived at that possibility, but it’s hilarious. He has since learned it is not, in fact, time travel 🤣 (though watching the Time _Dive_ might help with some things. We need to show this man the canon livestreams asap)

[@wildflame333]

All of us waiting for him to clock that it’s his son but it never came 😭😭😭

[@Stars-7w7]

Exactly

[@emmadai2200]

He was so close until the “doctor who” theory came uo omg 😭

[@hannie3701]

I was mentally screaming 😂😂

[@Angelika5378]

😂😂😂

[@auraa411]

It's incredible to me how many reactors don't realize that it's Telemachus 😭

[@sallycarter7287]

“My Father is the worst man alive and I'm his favorite Daughter” is a quote that fits Athena and Zeus perfectly

[@null5483]

Usually it’s frustrating to see a reactor misinterpret a song but honestly you went in such a wild direction that it was more hilarious than anything.

[@ArtTrashKing]

Bro forgot Telemachus existed- 😂 Remember Matt, Ody fights for “Penelopeeee and TelemaCUUUUUuuuus”

[@InternetsDadGaming]

The fact you thought it was Odysseus that whole time is insane xD

[@prometheus3498]

It aint that crazy. He looks and sounds like Ody

[@phoenix_Talaria]

​@@prometheus3498whilst Athena was using her owl buddy(pet?) to show her and Ody and then also as she walks up to a tapestry of Ody, Penelope and baby Telemachus?

[@colt1903]

​@@prometheus3498 No, it's batshit insane. Bro has ZERO excuses to have been so wrong all reaction long. I love this channel to death, but God DAMN! 😂

[@NihilisticView]

Don’t forget, this is not even how Odysseus met Athena. We literally flashed back to when they met in the first saga.

[@mobaobae]

i dont get the people who say that Jorge's and Mico's voices look similar. The melodies are really similar but the timbre is very different...I am not an English speaker but I can distinguish well

[@clairexalexander]

I love how your first instinct to Athena's flashback in the animatic wasn't "Oh this isn't Odysseus" but rather "Is this some weird Doctor Who thing?"

[@ardet7383]

To be fair, one of Athenas instruments in this is a clock, so time stuff would be kinda believable

[@c_danzu3186]

"And here Anatole, with the stubborn attachment small-minded people have for conclusions they've worked out for themselves, repeated his arguments to me for the hundredth time" ahh reaction.

[@tynand6827]

The fact he say "our child Xavier" and completely forgets that his son's name is Telemacus makes the reaction to the first 3 songs so much more hilarious 😂😂

[@emerson4140]

I am now going to refer to my modern au Telemachus as “Xavier” bc that shit is actually so damn funny

[@kyleanderson1183]

It is such a bummer that the first animatic didn’t have the “7 years later” note to start the video. I have seen quite a few reactors think it was Ody without the note of the time jump.

[@jacggg]

Ye thats part of the reason that DuvetBox’s Legendary is my favourite cus it makes it RLY obvious that its Telemachus

[@MrSmile078]

The fact that both vocalists have a similar range of voice also causes confusion for many, it makes sense since of course the son is gonna sound a bit like Ody but that plus the fact that until know Odysseus was always the POV character

[@yasminemixon9340]

The thing is, it should have been obvious. It's a completely different singer. The last flashback we had was still just Jorge for odysseus.

[@welikegamez6577]

Another content creator cursed to think that Ody’s son is him from the past 😭

[@agent941]

ik. idk how much more frustrationni can take… 😂

[@AlexCunradi]

To be fair, none of the songs in this saga outright call him Telemachus, I can see how he got confused.

[@alphaxbox3728]

​@@AlexCunradi But Milo's voice has a unique sound to it. Idk how creators get it mixed up.

[@MysteriousMusician33]

I didn't hear it when I was listening to it blindly in my car, I had to google it honest to god and I was a music major in college 😭 ​@@alphaxbox3728

[@garabatosxd]

@@AlexCunradi but they don't even sound alike ToT

[@AndreLuiz-xf6el]

I love the miss remember of the names, calling Telamacus "Xavier" and Polites "Steve" was beautiful. And yeah, Ody should get home to be in Xavier college graduation!

[@dwell7315]

to be fair, Steven/Stephen is Polites' voice actor so he's half right since he specifically says "Steven's voice"

[@colt1903]

Clearly, man has not listened to Horse and the Infant nearly enough 😂

[@AndreLuiz-xf6el]

@@colt1903 No no, don't you remember that part of "The horse and the infant" ? (What do you live for?) Penelope (What do you try for?) Xavier (What do you wish for?) I'm on my way (What do you fight for?) attack!

[@AndreLuiz-xf6el]

@@dwell7315 OOOOooohh, I didn't know that. Looks like I'm the fool now. Sorry.

[@wildflame333]

42:55 Apollo and Hermes are bothers!! So they have a lot of physical similarities. Also it was common of Hermes to steal his brother’s harp throughout mythology (he’s a menace of a younger brother haha) and actually the harp is Hermes signature instrument in Epic so not surprising that you’d see similarities :)

[@rivendells_shona]

Probably because Hermes invented the lyre as a peace offering after stealing Apollo’s cattle.

[@anonyousperson]

Basically all of the Olympians are related to Zeus in some way except for I think Aphrodite and Hephaestus. Though Hermes and Apollo are half brothers, both of their mothers were sisters I'm pretty sure

[@rivendells_shona]

@@anonyousperson Maia (Hermes’ mother) and Leto (the twins’ mother) were daughters of two different sets of titans, so not sisters. Though Aphrodite *was* related to them in a way. She was sort of the Olympians’ aunt, being born of Ouranus’ “essence” (okay, it was a bit more vulgar than that) falling into the ocean. This would have made her sort of the half-sister to Kronos, their father. (Though Homer attributes her parentage to Zeus and the titaness Dione.) And Haephestus was the son of Hera, either by Zeus or by sheer spite and willpower.

[@maddibrook7]

"I just wanted to give a quick disrespect to Zeus" I respect that

[@taromyx4479]

I really like Duvetbox’s animatics involving Telemachus. They’re one of the only people who capture the fact that he’s a 20 year old- albeit perhaps still naïve- man

[@danielmunhoz9872]

and they also added the "7 years later" that jorge put in the live stream. I feel like that mistake is on the animators, they should've put it there

[@k.antoniatea4549]

This is adorable. I want a second reaction because those songs hit different when you know it's Telemachus. Plus, there's so many good animations to these. More reactions! Who's with me!

[@raelee9961]

Seconded!!

[@enbylion]

Thirded!

[@Sketch_3003]

PLEASE, FOURTHED

[@Mattables]

@@Sketch_3003 FIFTHED!

[@Angelika5378]

Agree. We need a redo❤

[@feistsorcerer2251]

I know everyone is mentioning the big misunderstanding with Telemachus, but there's another misunderstanding. "Let him feel the pain that his mother felt and rot" is not about the cyclops. Aphrodite was saying that instead of returning home to his mother, Odysseus was busy spiting the Cyclops. She's saying let him (Odysseus) feel the pain that his mother felt (waiting endlessly unable to see a loved one) and rot (stay trapped on the island.) Aphrodite isn't connected to the cyclops. If Polyphemus was her child she would not have been convinced like that.

[@emilyb5307]

She is also known in Greek myth to be a bit of an overbearing mother too, which I think is a neat connection.

[@elieli2893]

Yeah if Polyphemus was Aphrodite's kid, she'd personally march to Calypso's island and murder him 😅

[@michaelmcdoesntexist.]

39:09 The reason I like Neil's so much is because we can actually see that Zeus feels bad that he almost killed his daughter. It humanized him a bit. I also think that Neil has the best designs for the gods.

[@eggnog4266]

Yep, imo Neil's designs are similar to the god designs from Hades the game, which are my favorite designs for the gods.

[@Glitterbug643]

I love Neil’s art soooo much I remember watching god games immediately as it came out, and i remember audibly screaming multiple times cuz holy woah it’s so goooodddddd

[@sammjaisais7135]

Fully agreed. I respect Jorge's vision but I don't like the designs he had for the gods all that much, tbh.

[@finanightmare1993]

It is crazy to me how you could not immediately come to the result that this is Ody's son xD

[@Astrocritical]

You'd be surprised how many people don't know that on a first listen and don't know it the entire saga until corrected. 😂 even my fiance had to be told mid saga cause he was confused.

[@finanightmare1993]

@@Astrocritical Crazy! :D

[@KiraLCross]

"Just wanna give a quick disrespect to Zeus" *looks around his lights* "Good thet're still on." Had to pause and get my laughing under contol.

[@imwhatthekidscallcringy3858]

I love how even if he didn't necessarily get the narrative concept, Matt still connected to the song and interpreted the song in a really interesting way about self-determination. THAT'S ART BABY!

[@HollywoodandWine101]

The confusion is why I always recommend Jorge’s livestream content first and the other animatics after to see how others adapted the material with the knowledge of the basic plot and characters.

[@danielmunhoz9872]

duvetbox's animatic put the 7 years later right at the beginning, the other animators should've done the same, that would've saved a lot of reactors from confusion

[@HollywoodandWine101]

@ that would help a lot. I still think some people will think Telemachus is a young ody though.

[@nerdygirlgaming4617]

Also fun fact. I'm pretty sure you know about Athena's quick thought ability by now. Being her brother, Ares also has a type of quick thought ability (his os darker, focuses on anger) and he breaks into her quick thought when she uses it on Aphrodite. By the end of that part it's a quick thought, within a quick thought, within a quick thought (because Athena takes control back). Just a nice lil touch on the abilities of the gods.

[@colt1903]

The most disappointing thing about Jorge is his naming sense. I will forever hold it against him that he thought a stupid name like "Dark Quick Thought" was a good idea. Call it something like "Rabid Thought" instead, just as straight forward and appropriate, but also sounds a lot like Rapid Thought, which is a fun nod to Athena's name of her own ability without so blatantly plagiarizing it.

[@zoroarkdiamond7918]

So you know the first 3 songs are from telemecus perspective Odysseus son the casting is so good because he sounds like a younger Jorge

[@morganmcdaniel6123]

My favorite part of this is how gigi makes everything so obvious in her animatic like Athena singing to the portrait of Odysseus on the wall, and i was waiting for it to click. Oh you sweet sunmer child. My top 5 fav reactors.

[@sophiaholscher9095]

Am I the only one who wants him to watch this saga again but with him knowing it’s Telemachus? Like I don’t have to yell as much that way lol😂😂

[@taromyx4479]

“What was that about? Half as strong as you, like his mom?” No, his dad :D Odysseus! Lmao

[@Jmnl-b2l]

One can likely infer what happened on that island, but some book quotes. “In the nights, true, / he’d sleep with her in the arching cave - he had no choice - / unwilling lover alongside lover all too willing” Odysseus “sat on a headland, weeping there as always, / wrenching his heart with sobs and groans and anguish, / gazing out over the barren sea through blinding tears” Regardless of what is said outright in epic or not, the implication still remains, and the keeping him there for 7 years and pushing his boundaries constantly, is plenty enough. He's been gone 20 years, do help him. Yes, being harmed this way, is not cheating, slay hera (for once)

[@finanightmare1993]

I literally argued about that with a friend of mine, because he said Ody did betrayed his wife with Calypso and I went on rage mode I was so mad! Being raped is not betraying damn, some people still don't understand that men can get raped too :(

[@null5483]

I mean, that is very much an Odyssey thing and definitely not what Epic is going for.

[@finanightmare1993]

@@null5483 I think Epic goes fot this, too... She literally gaslights him in her last song.... I feel he just said I love you to her to get the hell away from her... I was in an abusive relationship for some years and believe me, at some point you do and say a lot just to avoid more harm.

[@null5483]

@ I mean that’s a fair interpretation but I don’t think that’s Jorge’s intention. Not Sorry For Loving You is very much framed as a sad and tragic song that’s supposed to make us sympathize with Calypso and Odysseus doesn’t need to make anything up to get away from her. He already has the gods on his side letting him leave the island.

[@finanightmare1993]

@@null5483 I just didn't feel that way, dunno, I just hated her for what she did and everything she said triggered me. She didn't even apologize properly... "If u hate me, sorry my love is too much for you" naah, I just hate those gaslighting shit... :/ Maybe it feels a bit too much like home for me to feel bad for her.

[@emilyschomer6715]

19:20 She already knows Odysseus? Must be weird timeline stuff, definitely the simplest explanation and it makes sense based on her capabilities 😂

[@KaitheKnightly]

The first 3 songs are of his son Telemachus, who is also voiced by a talented singer Nico. This was not Odysseus. It was his son grown up. It's been 20 years since he left for the war. His son isn't an infant anymore...

[@kristinakostic2388]

Telemachus: Give me hydras and a cyclops *wanting to fight monsters and have "adventures"* Odysseus: ALL I HEAR ARE SCREAMS! *for the past ten years* Telemachus is Odysseus' son and in the vision we see Odysseus, not a future/older Telemachus. Calypso is trapped on her island as punishment from the gods for standing beside her Titan father during an attempted rebellion/war. She was a very young goddess, so whether she understood the full scale of what happened or not is up for debate. However, because she's stuck on her island, Odysseus' arrival for her was the greatest miracle and almost any other man (or woman, really) would be thoroughly seduced by paradise and a goddess willing to love you/obsess over you. Odysseus, however, only wanted to go home so this was effectively the worst possible punishment for someone like him. And because Calypso and her island were cursed by the gods, no one can leave without their say so, hence "Divine intervention~" Also, Ancient Greek myths rarely mess with concepts of time or the perception of time outside maybe the Underworld. So, yeah, Odysseus felt every second of those 7 years. Open Arms is the most haunting song of EPIC, even though Just A Man is without a doubt the most repeated motif. (Besides the general danger motif) Funny you should mention "Just don't give him another crew and leave my boy at home, please" 😂 because there are versions of the Odyssey where Odysseus actually goes on yet another journey and never returns and there are speculations whether he died or simply returned to Calypso's island to live in paradise for the rest of his days. Athena is indeed connected with snakes (many gods are, for some reason), but it's interesting to know that Athena cursed Gorgon/Medusa after she was, unfortunately, SA-ed. She used to be a priestess and had made a vow/pledge of virginity in Athena's name (as one of the only 3 virgin goddesses of Ancient Greece) in some versions, while in others she was basically pretty much just a beautiful maiden but Posideon took her against her will in Athena's temple so Athena cursed her. Her head was later cut off by the hero Perseus and used as a weapon to turn his foes to stone before he gave it to Athena to place on her shield. Btw getting EPIC into theaters is pretty much the goal, so let's hope Jay manages it!

[@songweretson]

Goddesses are connected with snakes because they were the symbol of the main goddess worshiped in ancient Europe waaay back. But the details were absorbed into later mythologies, the Greeks in particular

[@kristinakostic2388]

@songweretson Well, yes, but so are gods and neither gods nor goddesses are ever randomly connected with snakes - or anything, for that matter, there's always some "logical" reason. Snakes are usually animals/symbolism of healers or cthonic beings and deities, connected to life and death almost equally because poison can also be a cure/antidote. So it's interesting that a primarily war goddess like Athena has a connection with snakes

[@GavinDuBray]

I'm so confused by the amount of people who think Telemachus is a young Odysseus. Like they sound sorta similar but omgggg

[@Neffffi]

the kids name is telemachus if you were wondering, also for the animatics for the next one, since there arent many, it might be best to watch the official animatics. from a livestream jorge did on his channel Also calypso was punished because she supported her father during the titanomachy, the war where the titans where overthrown and replaced by the olympians, people like zeus and poseidon, and shes been there since then, so centuries. And is cursed in some adaptations to fall in love with anyone that comes to her island.

[@phoenix_Talaria]

The curse thing is PJ lore, to make her "kid friendly"

[@Neffffi]

@@phoenix_Talariagood to know for the future

[@phoenix_Talaria]

@@Neffffi happy to help 😊 PJ got so ingrained that it's not hugely surprising that not everyone is aware what's PJ lore and what's actual GM

[@Neffffi]

@@phoenix_Talariayeah, I never actually read pj or watched the adaptations, but I think I remember hearing that somewhere, makes since that it’s to make her kid friendly

[@phoenix_Talaria]

@@Neffffi yeah even people who've never read or seen it have gotten it crossed as it's become so ingrained... And yeah Riordan basically went "how to make someone who holds prisoner and SA's a guy for 7 years good for kids? Curse them to fall in love with anyone who washes up then brush the rest under the rug" 🤷

[@lunamusic4923]

him: "i hope its Athena i dont wanna look like an idiot" me sadly: "dont worry you already are"

[@Mattables]

@@lunamusic4923 LOL!

[@starsandauras]

As I haven't seen anyone say it yet, here's an actual fun fact for God Games! Hephaestus (the god with the mech in Neal's animatic) is voiced by Jorge's dad! He also helped Jorge build the sound booth they use for recording Epic.

[@icemagiciangh]

Calypso says he talks in his sleep, right? There’s a fan theory that, on the cliff, she said all those things deceased loved ones said in order to stop him from jumping. Seven years. You sacrificed your crew, and you end up on an island only gods, or those they send there, can get to. Seven years being pushed to love a delusional goddess. That final cry to Athena was his Hail Mary. It had been ten years since their big fight. He didn’t even know if she still cared or not, but, with everything in him, Odysseus screams for her aid, or he’ll jump to end the pain. Here’s some fun parallels for you: “Close your eyes, and spare yourself the view.” “Just keep your eyes open.” “Just let me close my eyes.” It came full circle. He didn’t believe he’d see home again. He wanted to spare himself the view.

[@icemagiciangh]

8:27 all of us when we heard that line. I have one thing to say to that man… “Hey, could you hold this torch for me?”

[@gooseminecraft2499]

i hope you go back and listen to those first 3 songs again after you realize thats not odysseus lol

[@Stars-7w7]

As someone who has tiney tiny anger issues I was almost literally punching walls everytime he tried to make the "It's flashbacks to Odysseus" work 😵‍💫

[@BeAuTyLoVe17]

I have to skip forward in these reactions. I know it's not that deep but my anger issues can not with these reactors mistaking the characters 😅😭

[@evelynolea4433]

Calypso has been such a a big topic for disagreement in the fandom, the thing with calypso is that she controls her island, she can keep you trapped there, in the odyssey she assaulted odysseus every night for seven years and during the day he would sit on the beach crying for his wife, when athena talks to Hera about the situation she agreed that he never broke his vows so it wasnt seen as cheating

[@felixhenson9926]

But we have had it confirmed that in Epic, the separate musical only based on the Odyssey, that Calypso never SA'd Odysseus ever

[@theanimationnation5506]

😂😂😂"the lion, the witch, the audacity of this b****" is the funniest thing ive ever heard and i will absolutely be useing non-stop😂😂😂

[@sallycarter7287]

It’s Telemachus, Odysseus son in legendary. Not younger Odysseus

[@besthokage7822]

If I had a nickel for every time, a reactor mistook Telemachus for a young Odysseus I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

[@bandiikoot7318]

48:13 Athena was the one who who cursed/blessed the women who would become Medusa, along with the owl Athena is also represented with a snake sometimes hence all the snakey-ness in this particular animatic. Due to the circumstances of a situation that happened in one of Athenas temples between a priestess of hers and Posiden, most stories day the goddess cursed the priestess as punishment for her actions within her temple. Other stories say that Athena blessed the priestess so that she may never again be forced into such a situation again. (Snake hair, petrifying gaze and half snake tail probably does help with that.) This has been supported by shelters being uncovered with the symbol of Medusa, thought to be a place for women to go for protection. Love the videos as always my guy, hope you are still having a blast!

[@farihanaz7227]

"quick disrespect to Zeus" is insaaane lmaoooo 😭😭😭😭 But completely warranted and agreed

[@astellis11]

Lmao, it's so funny to see people confuse Telemachus for Odysseus because Mico(Telemachus VA) LEGIT sounds like a younger Jorge. Also, I dont say this to be rude, but you should have already know how Odysseus and Athena met, so it should have clued you in that that wasnt Odysseus, and those first three songs werent flashbacks. Didn't you say you've replayed Warrior of the Mind a lot?

[@roundestleaf]

Well, I can see how that didn't immediately tip him off, because this could have been the "continuation" of the Warrior of the Mind flashback. Telemachus didn't even ask for her name and immediately adressed her as Athena at the end of Little Wolf. And Telemachus' surprise at her sudden appearance and her quick thought ability could also have been plausibly a reaction by a young Odysseus who only met Athena once before and is now experiencing quick thought for the first time in a fight. I found it really funny, however, when it was never questioned why Athena says that Ody's son is her friend in God Games 😂 Ah well, it really shows that once someone is stuck in a mindset, the brain will twist everything so that it fits with that idea

[@therwbyfamilton8023]

40:36 “The other one was pretty nuts too.” Flama: Ha! Oh just watch.

[@IcecreamCat23]

I legit SQUEEEEALED. You’re reactions as so much fun, you went right up to one of my top favorite KZbinrs!!!!

[@crisis_time6007]

There are a few animatics out for the next saga which would be cool to check out but I'd say to check out the livestream visuals first because they're awesome and it'll help avoid confusion with some animatics changing things in the later songs

[@thesaltybeard1793]

1:21 GOATED. YOURE GOATED FOR THIS. THERES SO MANY GOOD ANIMATICS THAT CHANGE THE VIBE OF THINGS AND THEYRE ALL WORTH REACTING TO HONESTLY FUCK IM SO HAPPY LES GOOO

[@nerdygirlgaming4617]

The kid in the first 3 songs is Ody's son, Telemachus. The suitors were there to make Penelope remarry because Ody's been gone 20 years. In We'll be Fine she is telling the story of her falling out with Ody but Telemachus doesn't know that she's talking about his dad.

[@booklover_yulia]

I thought at the beginning "oh he'll notice it's telemachus later on in legendary" oop never came. Than I went and thought "well he for sure should realize it in little wolf with the 'ill teach you all the lessons your daddy never could'" nope. OK for sure by we'll be fine right? NOPE

[@anonyousperson]

For Athenas shield im pretty sure its called the Aegis, and im pretty sure it was made with Medusa's head after Perseus killed her.

[@wildflame333]

‼️ I know the next saga only came out a few weeks ago but I think it’s really worth while to checkout the animatics because there’s some AMAZING ones already and they really help fully illustrate the importance of the next penultimate saga. If i could recommend one, I’d suggest watching “Dangerous” by “Orange” :)

[@purplelily7764]

27:33 he was at war in Troy for ten years and trying to get him for another ten years so by the time he gets home it will have been 20 years away. Telamachus is 20 at this point and that’s why this saga flashed to what is happening with and Penelope and the suitors who are trying to marry her and threatening Telemachus. They want to marry Penelope because they figure Odysseus is either dead or not coming back and they want to be king of Ithaca.

[@hazielis59unmecempote.94]

You being as dense as Telemachus when Athena is talking about his dad is such a treat

[@Link10103]

thats the only animatic ive seen that flat out throws the flashbacks of Athena and Ody's beef straight into your eyeballs and even then lmao.

[@just_sume_guy8364]

I’m new to the channel (came here for the epic reactions) but I think I’ll stay you’re funny 😁

[@fenrkinex]

"That is a very naked Aphrodite." Two seconds later. "Excuse the F*CK outta me!" 😂😂😂

[@icemagiciangh]

It still kills me 😂

[@fenavaldez8485]

Most likely you have already heard, but from the saga of wisdom: from "legendary" to "well be fine" it is Telemachus of the present spoken of his father and how the suitors harass his mother Penelope as well as he befriends Athena, then in Love in the Paradise they show what had happened after Zeus and how he got to the island of Calypso, to finally show how Odysseus is 7 years later (present) , and then the last song is Athena trying to convince the other gods to free Ody from Calypso Island, also add that Telemachus in the present is 20 years old, Odysseus left when he was a baby and spent 10 years in the Trojan War approximately 3 years from "Full Speed Ahead" to "Thunder Bringer" and 7 years locked up on Calypso Island until the present (for this reason in Legendary there is a part that says 20 have passed and we are still without a king, in addition to the question "where is he?".

[@felixhenson9926]

"Hold your tongue now, his son's my friend!" > Matt doesn't even question this

[@celula_tirotropa]

Please please please, watch the livestream for the Vengeance Saga! I think being so soon after it's come out, that'll be the most enjoyable experience. And maybe later you could make another video watching other animatics!

[@ZONALH]

I find it funny that if you had just seen duvets version of legendary (not saying the one you chose was bad or anything) it says in the start "7 years later"

[@cojec]

This is so funny to me because you're a _really_ smart person and catch thingsthat almost no one else finds. I've normally seen other reactors watch the same things many times over before your reactions come out, and you're still pointing out new details to me in media I've watched countless times. So you never realizing that the Wisdom Saga features Telemachus, even through "I'll teach you all the lessons your daddy never could" and "I had a friend before and he was a lot like you", is _so_ funny to me. Even brilliant people have their moments of confusion :)

[@zayne8331]

I just got out of class, this is such a nice thing to come home too Pffft, I know you’re aware that this is Telemachus now, but just to clarify everything else. Those other people were the suitors. Since Ody has been gone for 20 years and there is no king a bunch of men have come to the palace to seek Penelope’s hand in marriage. Penelope and Telemachus have been stalling for time, but the suitors are getting impatient.

[@emilyschomer6715]

9:46 No, we saw that previously in the Wisdom Saga

[@lillithheart8760]

Awesome reaction! The first 3 songs were from Telemachus’s pov which is why you might of gotten a bit confused. I suggest for the vengeance saga you watch the livestream.

[@emilyschomer6715]

44:22 Thank goodness for that dove

[@Burdog-b7o]

48:38 by the way athena and odysseus were friends for a REALLY long time so besides him and his family athena was the first one to hold his baby

[@faithrabbit4330]

"Never once has he cheated on his wife" hits HARDER when you know that Hera is the wife of Zeus, infamous for his ... infidelity, to put it lightly After her "Release him", i BURST into laughter

[@songweretson]

Dude, I even told you last week that we were meeting the precious Disney Prince! I knew you would love him, so I was so looking forward to this one. 😅

[@fluffy14sweet]

Story Time: Before the gods, the titans were in charge. Beating them put Zues on the throne. All of the Titans' allies were imprisoned in various ways. This includes Calypso who was simply the child of one of them. She was stuck on an abandoned island basically forever. She is as much a prisoner as Ody.

[@ivybennett2274]

Im only halfway through but PLEASE tell me he figures out this is telemachus and not odysseus

[@ArtTrashKing]

He doesn’t- I waited this whole videos 😂

[@finanightmare1993]

It really hurted me XD

[@emilyschomer6715]

Neal's God Games has do many cool details. Athena's spearhead looks like a wing, and her breastplate looks like an owl face. The scars staying on Zues, the heterochromia. SHOWING ARES'S FACE!!!

[@fragiledreams97]

Maevethefae has a really amazing Not Sorry for Loving You animatic that I think really encapsulates Ody's years with her

[@xxanimneechanxx]

The irony here is I have so much epic brain Write that I'm actually constructing a project from my ceramics class.That's been inspired by epic.I can't wait to post the final result It all goes well.

[@keimakatsuragi7482]

So for calypso. Its not her trapping him there, shes locked on that island by zeus just like odysseus, she just decided to make him hers because.... yes

[@bobala1541]

hey just a fun fact the reason why Polities(Steven's) voice sounds so quiet is because Odysseus is forgetting what he sounds like

[@agent941]

8:25 this line almoust made me forget the frustration over you not realiseing it is telemachus 😂

[@noobguyscrublord3039]

If I had a nickel for every time I've watched someone react while under the idea that it's Oddyseus not Telemachus I'd have 3 nickels. Which is weird but I guess it's a trend now.

[@felixhenson9926]

One thing I think perhaps more of that animators should take up is clearly labelling that this is Telemachus 7yrs later like Jorge did on his livestream.

[@shayniya]

“The Lion, the Witch, the audacity of this b*tch” was sooo funny, I can’t 😂 even tho you were confused about Telemachus being Odysseus, I still love the reaction! I can’t believe it’s almost over! The musical and your reactions to it! 🥲

[@emilyschomer6715]

32:26 Everyone with the slighest knowledge of him. It's not so much him being powerful as him being awful. A lot of gods are awful but he's so much worse they pale in comparison and aren't noticed as much

[@Beatlesfanish]

"We'll be fine" is one of my favorite songs from the musical because Telemachus just sees how upset Athena is and wants to help her and maybe a stranger in the process. He doesn't even know that it's his father he's helping. Like Athena says, he's a good kid.

[@cgaaron1]

Besides missing that this was telemachus, the story of her just restarting time to train him and try to keep his humanity sounds like a badass story

[@seviahvance3833]

I would love your reaction to Jay's official commission animatics! They're all on his livestreams mostly, I think, but you can also find videos of his "what I send to artists, and what they create." They can be pretty funny.

[@phoenixking7557]

Something cool about Ares that i love is that since he's a sibling to Athena, he has dark quick, though. So that's how he entered her quick, though, because he took it over until she fought to take it back.

[@wynnefox]

So fun thing with Love in Paradise, if you go back to the songs that were featured in the beginning when Athena was reviewing history, you'll actually hear Athena's theme pop in the music, signifying Athena is watching Ody at those moments. It wasn't something i noticed on the first watch through but some more musical expert inclined reactors pointed it out and it is a absolutely brilliant thing to do by Jorge. Calypso is a Titan goddess and was trapped on that island by Zeus. She is the goddess of secrets. It is generally thought that Ody was intentionally. In God Games, Jorge made the point that Ares and Athena actually have close to the same abilities. So when Athena used quick thought on Aphrodite, Ares was able to break in because he has that ability too. Athena's is based in that Wisdom school, clarity of thought and calmness of mind. While Ares' quick thinking is based in rage and impulsive thinking with out consideration. Also, Apollo is a total man-slute and is so problematic. Him being cute is intentional, at the same time If you ever hear any of the stories involving him, I think the only one that is bigger problem is Zeus himself. In terms to who who is linked to who: Scylla has a lot of complex origins, but my favorite was was one of Circe's nymphs that Poseidon fell in love with. When she didn't return his love, he merged her with the pack of 6 wolves that would endlessly hunger. The transformation went to far though and now even Poseidon is scared of her... And then Medusa and Athena... OH BOY... that one is messy and is also linked to Poseidon's lusts. Medusa was Athena's most devout and loyal priestesses. To the point she also took the vow of chastity too like Athena and was a damn good fighter. But what Medusa is most known for is her beauty, kindness, and wisdom. People would come from all over just to see her, get guidance, or get help. This also attracted Poseidon, who like many of the male gods, has trouble checking himself. Then the war of Athens happened which was forces supported by Athena (Odysseus and his allies) kick the asses of forces supported by Poseidon (Hector and his allies). In part of his rage of losing, he cursed Odysseus, who was key to victory to never go home... Then he went to the temple of Athena and did the non-consensual sexual assault on Medusa in the middle of Athena's temple. Why Athena "cursed" Medusa for this is up to some discussion/argument on all this. Some said Athena was in a rage at the desecration of head priestess and temple (and losing her favorite general, Odysseus at sea) and took her rage out on Medusa and transformed her into a hideous creature. Others say Athena took pity on Medusa's trauma and made her as ugly as her sisters and gave her the 'gift' to turn people into stone with just a look so she can better protect herself. Either way, that is why you see Athena having Medusa's imagery with her with many artist's depictions. Something I'd like to point out on Neal's version of God Games is that Neal makes a point to have all these statues of Zeus in all sorts of different poses showing off his godly self except one... which he holds baby Athena in his arms. It's the only godly depiction other than himself in his chambers, showing that Athena is the only god Zeus really cares about besides himself.

[@emilyschomer6715]

25:27 It's definitely torture, but he just washed up there

[@michaelhooper8559]

Seeing you not be able to figure out that was Ody's son was painful.

[@StarkKarstVT]

@ Matt 14:45 : Jorge would LOVE for his work on this to become an actual Broadway level musical. This right now is his Concept for it, so if he wants to pitch it as a full musical, he will have ALL the groundwork and blueprints covered and done.

[@Majesticskyyy]

48:12 in Greek mythology, Athena's shield IS Medusa, it's forged from her head after she's decapitated

[@anastasija6866]

Scylla in one story is the daughter of Poseidon and Keto and was cursed by Circe because Circe loved Glaucus(god of fishermen) who was in love with Scylla, this is alluded to in the song with her singing Die in the blood where you bathe, Circe poisoned the water where she bathed

[@BeAuTyLoVe17]

Suggestions for Vengance saga: - Not sorry for loving you: by Clover - Dangerous: by Ximena Natzel or Scilla nimation (full animatic) - Charybdis: by Lemonpoet - Get in the water: by Willows (that isn't the full song tho) so alternatively by MessyMoonMess - Six hundred strike: by Duvetbox ❤

[@ZallyBee]

This is why I always say to react to the live streams with the CANON visuals. It's so very helpful, and Jorge commissions them to be in his vision

[@HollywoodandWine101]

“Just let him die.” Yeah… about that, he wasn’t buried or given Charon’s Obol. He ain’t going to find rest. At least according to some period sources on beliefs on how the afterlife works.

[@pockyhunter187]

Scylla was a nymph who was cursed by Circe. Not related to Ares but typically depicted to being the offspring of smaller ocean gods like Triton.

[@a.i.1328]

also, the total is 20 years away from home 10 at war 3 at sea(+ island hoping) 7 on calypsos island

[@jazzb591]

Athena: *dies in Zeus’s arms* Mattables: Cute! 😊

[@gracemlachak4717]

Okay but that would make such a cool story, Athena going back in time constantly! And given how young odysseus was when he took the throne and the culture of the proven strongest gets to rule I would have loved to see scenes like little wolf for odysseus.