Making COVES and BEADS | Turning Tuesday #2

Hello and welcome back to yet another Turning Tuesday. This week I get practicing on the Spindle Gouge and practice making some beads and coves!
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[@MattEstlea]

If you enjoyed this video, don't forget to press the *LIKE* button. It really helps me out!

[@james5426]

“I need a bigger lathe”. You’re already fluent in woodturning language😂

[@stuartclarke9269]

Too true😁

[@m2autoworks]

I think that is any lathe issue. As a machinist I need a bigger lathe as well

[@allanh4803]

Bigger Lathe? Consider buying one with a rotating head-stock to machine large diameter pieces

[@robohippy]

Well, a very popular gouge for bowl roughing is a 40/40 grind, which is 40 degree bevel on the nose, and 40 degrees of sweep to the side so essentially you keep the 40 degree bevel on both wings and nose. This is usually done by hand rather than with a jig. Jigs tend to have a much shallower wing angle because you can't roll it as far. Most of the spindle detail gouges are ground to a 30 to 35 degree bevel, and the wings sweep more down the sides, The grind you have from the jig is much better for spindle detail gouges. With bowl gouges, we seldom hone them. With spindle turning, especially with the skew, it always gets honed. Never stick the point into the wood with detail gouges. Rub the bevel and gently roll the tool into the cut, cutting more with the wing rather than the nose because the nose is far more prone to catching. From an unknown skew master, 'the bevel should rub the wood, but the wood should not know it'. Look up Woodturner 21, a Brit who is a spindle master. You are getting there! Oh, wood chips are magnetic, and an air hose won't remove them. You need a stiff bristle brush. It gets some, but not all the chips.

[@RM-eo4iz]

Feedback for this series.... FANTASTIC!

[@bills9963]

Might have been said already, but turn the motor off and have the work stopped before moving the rest. We all ignore this simple safety measure, but the first time you clip the spinning work with the tool rest and it explodes, throwing chunks of wood across the room, you will see why! (been there, done that - broke a window on the other side of the workshop).

[@richardgoebel226]

That was an excellent example of using both tools in unison plus your parting tool. I have found the 30 degree grind gives me cleaner cuts when turning the end grain. Really useful if the piece is in a chuck on the headstock and you want a good clean end after you back off the tailstock.

[@wallygoots]

Nice apple core pattern. I like the video as well as the helpful comments. Picked up some good tips from the audience. It's great to see you showing learning as a process. Cheers, Seth

[@ccbbxxbbg]

I got the same Lathe. I am loving it. It is a bead. Actually picked it up because you work at Axminster. Never disappointed.

[@juanc.mendoza632]

Mr. Estlea one tip. I work in carpentry and rough Construccion. If you planning your work with wood during the day like turn wood you most to wear poliéster clothes and if you work will be on plastics or PVC you most to wear cotton. Is easier to bow your clothes after works. I admire you wood work. Continue like that. 👍🏻

[@CoRN_uk]

A block plane run at a skew angle along the wood can be used to get a consistent smooth cylinder.

[@danielgeng2306]

“I need a bigger lathe” ! Lol that’s the spirit!!!

[@keithscrafts]

As already said, lower your toolrest to just below centre of the blank for the gouges. The height in the video is ideal for the skew.

[@stephenbolton1370]

I've just got myself an Axminster craft lathe and as you have bought a core set of tools I embarked on a journey into the world of what I thought would be a simple transition from turning steel to wood, stupidly of course !! The fact is after seeing your fine woodworking courses all very much appreciated, I'm comforted to know that a talented individual as yourself is experiencing the skill set needed to perform the tasks, thanks again for the lessons of the past. I would be thankful if you could advise me about a vary speed conversion please, its a bit of a pain changing belts. I look forward to rest of turning tuesday

[@IEnjoyCreatingVideos]

Nice work Matt! Thanks for sharing the video.👍😎JP

[@woodturnerjosh]

I actually grind my spindle, roughing and bowl gouges (some of them) to 40 degrees and then grind the heel of the bevel back to give more clearance for getting into tighter places. Glenn Lucas, Stuart Batty and quite a few others do this. I've read that a 30 degree angle can have a tendency to self feed into the wood, I've never tried it myself but I guess that may be what you're experiencing. Great video!👍👍👍

[@merrickallard8488]

I've been waiting all day for this video. I would advise reading some books on wood turning they are really helpful

[@summerswoodworking]

I always used the skew chisel for bead making. Makes more since to me.

[@Jason61H]

Turning is addictive... it's the crack cocaine of woodworking. My bench build is on hold whilst I churn out lidded boxes and mushrooms. I have the Sorby Proedge for sharpening and I love it. Might be worth considering in your group test maybe.

[@adamrasmussen3521]

It helps a lot to bolt the thing down. In the sped up sections you could see how much it moved. That should reduce some of the catching as well.

[@itsblowecuz]

You are awesome man keep it up!!

[@isaacdenton666]

Hey Matt love your videos man. Just something you should consider, take a look into a 40 or 45 degree fingernail swept back grind, or what is called an Irish grind. You do normally see this grind on bowl gouges but I personally also like this grind on my spindle gouges too. It lets you get into the valleys better at a sharper angle. There is also different size of spindle gouge that is a 1/4" spindle gouge for more detail. This is the American size for the gouge so it may be different across the Atlanta. I am by no means an expert in woodturning but I do enjoy it alot. Happy turning man.

[@kevinmurray2959]

just a quick tip if you start your turning on the headstock side of the lathe and you get the wood thin it will induce vibration on the tailstock side of the wood. it's a good idea to start cuts on the tailstock end of the wood so that you have as much support as possible from the headstock end. not a big deal at this point of learning to use the tools but it will make a difference as you progress.

[@kazukarukelley]

Your Bosch Vacuum may be able to assist with your clothes when your done turning. Really cool end result and look forward to watching you progress.

[@Stafylocok]

Hey matt, it's good to see you get your hands on woodturning, I was scared at first and that's the one thing I do the most now. I would say something you should try to do is keep a square bit next to a bead. It's not as easy as it looks, and is quite common in furnitures (legs). May I recommend to you Mike Waldt, Frank Howarth and wortheffort ? They are both excellent woodturners and youtubers. Cheers from france :)

[@liamcameron5268]

one tip, when using the parting tool, if you are making a deep cut, make sure it is slightly larger than the width of the tool or the friction will heat up the metal and soften it. it happens faster than you think, and can really do a number on high speed steel. cheers!

[@GrahamOrm]

Enjoying this Matt. I'm a tiny bit more advanced than you, a novice with a new Axi lathe. I'm enjoying, and learning from your learning curve.

[@jettkeyser9909]

Brave new worlds...Carry on...

[@cluelesscleric]

Episode 2 and I already know that this is going to be one of my favourite ME series. Thanks Matt!

[@raduvadan]

Hey Matt, regarding the grind on the spindle gouge - you would use a steeper grind (40 degrees or so) for face work in harder wood - stuff like trophy bases or various disk shapes. I like my spindle gouge and skew both below 30 degrees. I have no idea when a 45 degree would come in handy, it sounds a lot like a bowl gouge grind tbh.

[@lachlans7644]

The angle of your tools is important on what timber you turn. You will want a steeper angle for harder woods - as it is has a more durable edge. Although for softer woods, you want a lower angle as it can be sharper, which creates cleaner cuts on soft timbers. Despite this, sometimes you will need to sharpen your tool at an unusual angle - to maintain bevel support, An example of this is the bottom bowl gouge. If you are turning both hard and soft often, I would recommend an angle of around 35 degrees - but it really depends on the user. Also as others have pointed, your tool rest seems too high, your tool should be contacting the timber at centre or a little above centre - this means your tool rest will be below centre. This should increase your cutting speed (although your tool high for the skew seems about right). Hope you're enjoying turning - I sure am enjoying these videos!

[@liamjarvis1659]

40degrees also works well as an almost universal grind

[@lachlans7644]

@@liamjarvis1659 True, the difference between most angles isn't massive, but if you are turning lots of softwoods, it is definitely worth making your tool a slightly shallower angle.

[@SkylersRants]

I really enjoy watching such a talented man learning something new and sharing that process with others. Thanks.

[@ianelley]

I received a small lathe for Christmas and plan to use it soon. I used to be fairly comfortable working it but I have to admit its been so long I'm a little nervous. I hated the scew chisel, bloody thing, instead I learned to do most things with various sized beading tools. I know the purists will moan about that but I didn't really have a teacher and there was no youtube to watch !! The scew will leave a cleaner surface though. The one thing I was taught was to position the tool so you cut the wood rather than scrap it to get a smoother finish. I look forward to seeing how you get on, good luck mate

[@001CHRISBLACK]

Matt, great series! Couple things: Bolt the lathe down, I can see it creeping away ... and also if you want a slightly easier wood to turn try Beech or if you have some Yew even better, Yew turns like butter ! ( and Boxwood ) Will help keep your tear out down and the points crisp. Many thanks for your videos, always a pleasure to watch.

[@charlessullivan8861]

Great videos as always, but male sure you go and learn about the dangers of specific wood dust when you turn... I have heard species like yew are toxic so please do your homework and stay safe!

[@001CHRISBLACK]

Charles Sullivan there’s no such thing as good or safe dust, some are indeed worse than others but I think Matt probably knows this better than most of his viewers from his experience as a tutor and work at Axminster...

[@troyboy4345]

Loving the new Ann Summers range of wooden "Things" … ;-0

[@stevenjones1009]

Nice hair cut 👍

[@C_L_Thomas]

Matt, I love this series. I have never turned, I always been a little afraid of turning actually, both because I am inexperienced and also because I know I would become addicted and the rest of my woodworking would suffer. I feel like I am learning along with you. Great job. Love the haircut!

[@_thegrayman]

Good video. Thanks. We commoners wouldn't recognise the thingie you made, but I suspect it's Royal firewood 🤔

[@henrysiegertsz8204]

If you want consistent and even profile, you need to cut a Cardboard or thin ply profile template to work from. Print it straight from your Drawing package and glue it to your template media. You can make copies all day long with the same profile for projects which need a lot of spindles all the same shape.

[@rubencr]

Good stuff. Bolt the lathe down on a solid bench. You are introducing vibration into the system if you don't and limiting the accuracy of what you do

[@DRoantree]

As far as I'm aware (and what I've been taught/shown/seen) is your grind angle is dependent on the type of wood your turning. Yes, you can have a preference but general rule of thumb (see Stuart Batty (40/40 bowl gouge grind) , 1 of many that talk in depth about angles) 20-40° is for soft wood, 40-60/70/80° for hard wood. 40° is a good compromise. Also, a fingernail grind on your gouges, except roughing, is more versatile and useful. It's all personal preference though. Keep up the good work 😊

[@DeDvaO]

Finally! A thing where I’m better than you. But on the other hand, you’re a fast learner... :) Greetings from Slovenia!

[@caiusedwards3786]

If you flip your leading hand over so your knuckles are on top and your thumb closer to the handle it might give you more control in regards to biting and that sorta thing. You can then also put your hand against the tool rest and stop the tool getting pulled inwards. Just a suggestion :) Edit: I mean only for when you start the cut.

[@jimbo2629]

I cringe when I see turners not doing as you suggest here.

[@chrishb7074]

more of these new skills series please? Turning Tuesday Wheelwright Wednesday Threadcutting Thursday Firewood Friday (out-takes)

[@stephengriffith1605]

If it was me I would get a bigger tool rest for the lathe I think your lathe is a great size. Would love to see you making a pot with a lid Maybe try a different timber Keep up the great work. You are showing me a lot

[@almagill]

As a total novice (haven't turned since high school *decades* ago) I'm finding these 'beginner' tutes really useful. Thanks Matt!

[@SilverBack.]

Matt could you give more information about angles and pressure and height of the rest.

[@lydiarol7892]

Making candlesticks and clockhouses, it looks like a lot of fun. I'm curious what you are going make with it in the near future.

[@dough9950]

Beads and coves is how i start every turning session. i do them with the skew, spindle gouge, bowl gouge, and parting tool. great practice!

[@j_b_woodwork7648]

I've been waiting all day for this😁😊, also have you had a haircut?

[@gizanked]

He said he got his yearly haircut recently. Forget if it was a video or Instagram.

[@j_b_woodwork7648]

@@gizanked thanks, I hadn't noticed him say it, thanks man😋

[@wheher]

Can you make a how to use a lathe video? Love the channel!

[@Kikilang60]

Thanks Mathew. Waiting to see you incorperate the lath work into a finished product.

[@Pistol_Knight]

As with any 'skill' Practise makes perfect

[@crouchvalewoodcraft]

Nice video Matt, you are doing really well with the turning. If you want to challenge yourself with spindle turning, try making a set of 4 matching baluster legs for a windsor chair. They have a good combination of beads and coves along with graceful curves. Keep up the good work.

[@henrysiegertsz8204]

HI Matt, hope you found Al Furtado "The Rebel Woodturner" and Tim Yoder , "turningwithtim". Two very different but entertaining content producers. Love the Turning series, i'll be doing some myself as soon as I get my Lathe station organised.

[@richardgarrow9260]

Matt great series. Questions what kind of wood are you turning. I tried pine and found that it is a no no. Which Tormek do you have I bought the 4 as I couldn’t afford the 8. If you are using the 4 you have the extended buffing on it? I would love to see a video on how you sharpen on your turning tools. Thanks.

[@bazzatron9482]

Loving this new series Matt - just got me a slow speed grinder for my turning endeavours, but I have to say the ease and edge you get off that tormek has be super jealous! My only feedback is please *please* bolt down your lathe...! Or if that's not practical stick it on a thin rubber mat and cut around it so you get a sort of gasket. Just to stop the thing wandering all over the place! If the whole table is moving, I've seen people use those lever hold-down clamps to lift their tables off the ground a few mm, like the stabilisers you see on flat-bed lorries with cranes. Great series Matt. Definitely going to try my spindle at 30° now!

[@raysmith1992]

What is the lathe like and which model is it, as a lathe is on my wish list, the bandsaw is going to be my next purchase and I have been looking at Record

[@wb_finewoodworking]

You’re coming along pretty quickly. As you stated in your video turning is fun. I can see why some woodworkers get mesmerized by turning and give up doing anything else. I’ve heard some turners call the catches, “Design changing opportunities.” while many of us would call them mistakes. Just keep practicing and enjoy. I’m enjoying watching and actually learning some as well. BTW - It looks like you’re turning ash. It’s a difficult wood to get smooth on the lathe.

[@ArbyCreations]

Great job Matt, watch out for turning, it takes over! You need to get a swept back grind on that spindle gouge, its a lot more versatile like that. Also that tool rest! much lower!!

[@macbilling6410]

Matt. You might find it better if you lower the tool rest to just below centre.

[@anthonyharper5954]

I know zip about turning but I recon you need to bolt the lathe down to the work table 🤔

[@dubiousdigit2539]

A couple of tips... at least they work for me... 1) Hold the end of the chisel handle and use it to control your action (and maintain 'control' of kickback). 2) get a wider tool rest, try using an 'over hand' position on your forehand holding the tool down onto the rest. 3) have fun and remember that wooden candlesticks are flammable. Cheers.

[@moonwolf7135]

👍

[@james5426]

Your main problem seems to be your tool rest height. Read Keith Rowleys beginners guide to woodturning. Tells you everything you need to know😊

[@ianchappell4199]

So agree James. Angle of presentation to start of the work needs improvement. Great start on the turning journey Matt..

[@suffolkmillwright2711]

Hi mate, just a thought for you. Why don’t you contact your local wood turning club via the AWGB, you tube has as many bad ideas as good and if your starting from nothing it’s hard to tell what’s what. We use three different profiles of spindle gouge in our shop with two different grinds, it’s well worth having someone like Gary Rance for instance show you. 👍

[@Jack-ws3os]

He needs an axminister evolution woodturning smock! There great I have one.

[@edvickery958]

They should give him one considering how many times he has mentioned Axminister this year.

[@edvickery958]

in the last year, not 2019.

[@AutotechWoodworking]

You're learning quickly. I'm considering eventually buying a lathe, so your videos will come in handy. A word of caution though, it's better to use a vacuum to clean off the debris than compressed air. The air pressure alone can puncture your skin, blowing wood fibers in is far more serious though. I've seen it happen with waste from grinding metal, and it sent them to the emergency room.

[@goddamnduis]

You are probably just still approaching entering the cut like you would with a 45° you'll just have to alter the angle at which you enter now that its a 30°

[@derekwilkinson7939]

Well done Matt. I think your tool rest is a little too high. Matt check out Brian Havens he explains really well. As a complete novice myself I find there’s a wealth of excellent information on You Tube. Wood turning is very addictive.

[@michaelespineira3608]

The cutting edge of a gouge should be 40 degrees. relief angel can be as much as 70

[@bogard84]

Oh trust me, those lil rollbacks are nothing to a real finger bending catch. Hope your turning days are enjoyable. Once you start you just cannot stop.

[@aldosarmiento2063]

You made an eaten apple kabob

[@johnbottomley9956]

Love watching your videos and learning as have a lathe myself and only used few times but have noticed well if wrong I apologize but it looked like you moved the tool rest while lathe was on PLEASE PLEASE DON'T DO turn off before moving it's so so dangerous other than that keep up the good work

[@gary7227]

You are going to wish you had bought a bigger lathe now you have started turning.

[@alasdairsandy5083]

First... kinda

[@Norm7264]

Well I was going to be one of those trolls dishing out the flack that you were expecting, Matt. But instead, here's my (hopefully constructive) suggestion... The issue of "catching" when turning has been elusive for me to diagnose, especially when using a skew. I would like to see a slomo vid of what is actually happening when the skew (or gouge etc) is catching. For me this would be far more instructive than trying to learn the rules for how to use the tool. Can you do that, Matt? What do you think?

[@bobtailvw22]

Your toolrest is too high for spindle work

[@stanhawkins1023]

Love your channel but I confess that I don’t care much for turning videos, especially from a guy who knows how to do real woodworking.

[@user-yx7dp2pl8t]

Basically a excessive toy

[@gourdarchibald6588]

Your channel, appreciate you can do what pleases you, but wood turning is not what I subscribed to. Matt Estlea has not posted a WEEKLY - do you know what? I can't be bothered.

[@MattEstlea]

Eh?