Matthew Muller jailhouse interview

[@maddie10173]

The fact that even HE agrees how the police handled everything was unfair speaks volumes about the justice system. If even the CRIMINAL believes the victim should’ve gotten better treatment from law enforcement… so messed up.

[@jojo4shosho]

Yeah it makes me sick

[@daxawcxsc]

of course, he graduated from Harvard law school....

[@samnicole9803]

Yeah pretty hilarious that he’s upset about the shitty police work that would’ve kept him a free man had he not been just plain dumb

[@chrissee8363]

He has NO remorse or empathy. He asked his victim to donate the settlement. And he’s concerned about his own assault but not that of his victims. He needs life in prison.

[@NaybOrkana]

The worst part is that it is impossible to believe David Sesma was not involved in this, the couple mentioned several times that there was more than one perpetrator and in Muller's other crimes he has never recorded it. This was a targeted hit against Andrea, who was Aaron's ex, and poor Denise got all of it instead.

[@whoisyou3_378]

Who’s here after Netflix 👀👀

[@__eggy__]

i cant believe how badly vallejo police fucked up

[@ISouza-qs9yy]

🙋🏻‍♀️

[@Lucky_Male_Bee]

I'm LIVID!!

[@JennyS54]

Unbelievable, monster

[@LubnaVlogs_]

Me!

[@Lucky_Male_Bee]

If he hadn't left his phone at the crime scene in Dublin, Denise & Aaron would still be called liars.🤔

[@CF-cx4xq]

Its strange he went back to the cabin after forgetting the phone, you'd think he should know they would have tracked the phone and lead them to the cabin

[@nayanasisil46]

feel like he did that intentinally

[@CODACAIN76]

I’ve just watched the documentary on Netflix , never remember hearing about this it caught my attention. After watching it was crazy how the story started off as if a Hoax, but knowing how the Police Department as well FBI handled it was a disgrace 😮and damn right “BS” how the event was investigated

[@kakakakellie]

@@nayanasisil46why would he do it intentionally and want to get caught?

[@jeel7515]

​@@kakakakellieblackmail or part of the plan

[@nikkigussalazar5005]

This is the same "man", the reporter, who accused her of being a liar too? He never even apologized. He only said "i regret my part" ! What a joke.

[@ranjha4008]

He might be involved too looks like this Matthew guy likes him. Sent him the emails then gives him an interview too 😮

[@eppa8873]

I think all news anchor repeating the same shit (kidnapping being a hoax) and other media should issue a public apology. Its insane to me how you can be the victim of a serious crime and be laughed at and called a hoaxter by the media Edit: Probably too late now for an apology, I bet Denise and Aaron just want to move on from this. But if similar were to happen in the future I think the media should be required to apologise

[@blznft9513]

They all probably in the same club along with the fbi who watched the black market videos of rape and murder

[@akeelyaqub2538]

​@@eppa8873lets not pretend that it was just the media, the vast majority of social media were witch hunting her to and calling her all sorts of things. Half the people in this comment section probably hurled abuse at her at the time.

[@ST-oc1ti]

"Mistakes were made" is the passive voice refrain of these psychopaths, and I am not referring to Muller.

[@moonie9000]

Once a predator, always a predator. There's no reason to ever release a rapist from prison. EVER.

[@madisonyohn]

hes being released in 2049 ☹️

[@Nous520]

Ever!

[@NewOrleansNick]

I dknt know if yall caught it in this video but he got raped in prison!!!!!!!

[@BODYBAGxPAT]

Just wait. Some bleeding heart liberals will come flocking here to tell you your wrong

[@ralphalf5897]

​@@madisonyohnat 72 lol

[@nex144]

Just imagine how creepy it is to know these people act completely normal.

[@CyberOrca]

he's Ted Bundy reincarnation

[@lucyhall2349]

Well he wasn’t medicated previously and now he is. He has a severe mental illness that is now being properly medicated. He didn’t have the capacity to behave normally before but now he does.

[@nirradical]

Mental illness from spending time in Iraq. I think it's pretty incredible how he acknowledged his "episodes". This is why we don't want to send our soldiers to war.

[@garygrant1926]

He reminds me of Ted Bundy, a well spoken charming monster that easily fools people with their law background calm demeanor and seemingly trustworthy personality.

[@willow_jayde]

He's got those eyes, and he's got that look in those eyes too doesn't he? I think he would have eventually started removing us off the census too I think if they'd not caught him.

[@chevymalone5515]

Exactly my thoughts Bundy for sure!!

[@snowredsnow666]

Exactly this

[@adowsainter]

100% !!!!

[@crystalmenta]

let's not conflate between two horrendous men who are of completely different persuasions. matthew muller is a sexual deviant who actually had some twisted compassion for his victims and needed to dehumanize them to be able to follow through on his compulsions, which is why he felt sorry and let some of them go, or tried to empathize with them. he didn't seem to have any bloodlust, and in fact asked denise to play the part of his girlfriend so he could use the sex tape to his own pleasure with a sound conscience. ted bundy was a psychopath, a whole different league of evil.

[@huskylover7548]

I am so happy that Denise and Aaron stayed together and married after all this tragic history they have together. Sometimes horrible situations break people apart but they went the best way and bonded together, stronger. Love this part. As for Matthew, he is a sick individual who is where he should be.

[@billymanziel5666]

I read this comment before finishing the series on Netflix and I’m glad I did because it was so depressing and dark that I needed to know there was some hope at the end of it

[@ashenafiwolde8982]

Aaron was cheating on Denise. He was having an affair with Andrea. In fact, they were doing it at Aaron's house. She spent the night there. Matthew came to Aaron's house to kidnap Andrea... not Denise. In fact, Denise owes Matthew big time for saving their relationship. If it wasn't for Matthew, Aaron would have left Denise. He still had feelings for Andrea. Aaron and Denise wouldn't have never gotten married and brought two beautiful children to this world. Denise knew that Aaron cheated on her because Matthew told her that Matthew came to the house to kidnap not Denise but Andrea. Denise is not stupid. The only reason that Matthew came to house was he must have seen Andrea at Aaron's house. Indeed, Denise confronted Aaron. Aaron admitted that he cheated on her and asked her to forgive him. He would never hurt her again. Denise forgave him. The two got married and have two children. Matt was blessing in disguise whether they like it or not. Aaron thought that he was a player. The experience humbled him. In addition, Matthew has suffered from Mental illness. I don't think that American legal system should treat individuals with mental illness like dirt. They should evaluate them accordingly and give them a fair trial and help them.

[@anthonyrodriguez4747]

Getting ted bundy vibes...

[@annewick3287]

Very much bundy eyes...

[@tru3293]

Awe look how happy he is. Since he is so happy they should leave him in prison forever

[@jojo4shosho]

Lmfaooo

[@AmritDillon]

I mean if murderers get only 15 years of prison then he should in prison for only 5 years max

[@SteveSouza]

The Vallejo Police Department has been corrupt for decades, and if it wasn’t for misty “Caruso”, no one would’ve ever known. She is such a hero in my book, and I hope the Vallejo PD gets what it deserves, and Vallejo gets a credible police department! I’m five generations Vallejo on my great grandfather was badge number 7, even he didn’t like the department and quit after a few years.

[@TonyMeek-w2h]

Wasn’t the Zodiac killer committed crimes in this area and the Vallejo Police department just sat on the evidence without sharing😳

[@TheTechSupportGuy]

Luuuuuuul. Sgt Mustard got a promotion. There’s no justice against these people. At least, no justice the Alphabet company will let us discuss

[@andreameigs1261]

That really sucks...it always gets me when I hear about things like that because when the good ones leave, it means there is one less light to fight the darkness.

[@theoriginalsurferbob]

Vallejo is a ghetto. All the animals run outta Oakland by cops or rival gangs end up in Vallejo or Fairfield. It’s a filthy place with very high crime. Too many ghetto animals. But yes it was very nice decades ago.

[@maryjones-ellis102]

@@TheTechSupportGuy hopefully one day he’ll wake up and realize his whole career. He was nothing but a loser. We don’t need cops in America like this and unfortunately, there’s a whole lot of them out there. What a loser all five of those police officers that were involved in this case or nothing but loser what a waste of money that wasted putting them through college

[@cateellington4081]

I just find it absolutely grotesque that this “reporter” (an insult to the profession) who played a large part in the traumatization of Denise & Aaron is sitting here giving this sociopath more oxygen. Imo the only way someone could think this Appropriate is if they share qualities w this rapist.

[@Cindylogan480]

He’s evil like him.

[@bulma463]

I thought it was wierd too, seems like he likes the attention. And he is not a reporter, he is literally a crime investigator

[@kylesweeney3059]

the reporter, the perp, the cops, the media have no empathy of course. They all love talking to each other about a crime. No remorse

[@SweetKarina123]

I agree. He should be held accountable too, the media has a huge role in how the public will react to news. If he is a reporter, his job is to seek the truth and report on it. Shame on him.

[@stefm845]

you are giving oxygen to this video and the interviewer, I assume you must be like him (a rapist)? And me too, since im giving oxygen to your comment? Hypocritical and ironic, isnt it?

[@MrsDannunzio]

He raped her multiple times and video taped it, and told her that it didn't seem consensual enough so she needed to fake it. Isn't that the stuff of nightmares? Everything about this case seems like an unbelievable movie script. I'm so glad that the couple got together, got $2 million dollars, and had a baby. I hope they're happy.

[@MyBizOnlu]

2.5 million and 2 daughters now, so happy this vile monster was caught. Stated he was having prison issues, I bet he does, dont bend over for the soap. Prison era usually take cre of his kind.

[@Pens4Life85]

I certainly hope you can grasp the notion that what you JUST typed is exactly the mindset of every detective and investigator in that case for the first few days. Irony.

[@Hailey-sn5rx]

They should have gotten 10 million.

[@teamdada2194]

@@Hailey-sn5rxI was thinking 15 mil. 2.5 is not nearly enough for defamation. The lady who sued Trump got over 80 mil and she waited 30 yrs to do it. Justice system is broke obviously

[@bddybdz]

@@Hailey-sn5rxeven stupid Maya the liar gets more millions with her lies.

[@tiffytoo]

HERE YOU SEE THE FACE OF SHEER EVIL!!!!! HE DESTROYED THIS WOMANS ABILITY TO FEEL SAFE AND HER HUSBANDS. VERY SAD NOONE CAN TAKE AWAY HER PAIN OR MAKE IT RIGHT. HES A REAL MONSTER.

[@coletanner5193]

I'm just glad they were compensated 2 million that's kind of unusual because if it happened in my state they wouldn't be compensated a dime for the police's incompetency

[@blznft9513]

​@@coletanner5193unless it makes national headlines

[@raulrpgz]

Wow Muller seems normal and even charming at times, such a dangerous predatory trait.

[@KingSolrac]

look at ted bundy

[@Jesusismylord1st]

You think he looks normal and charming?? I see in his eyes before he even speaks, hes dead and arrogant, a weak excuse if a man stares right out of him !! Norman Bates character as soon as he utters a word. DEMON

[@daxawcxsc]

he graduated from Harvard law school....

[@e.h.4933]

Sociopath.

[@thejman5552]

One thing I noticed is he blinks a lot and stresses his blinks when he's lying

[@caroler9952]

Hope he never leaves prison.

[@recoil5837]

Gets out in 2049 unfortunately

[@wallacerangel616]

@@recoil5837he has a chance of getting out, but doesn’t mean he will

[@eimyA0419]

The only thing that seperates this man from Ted Bundy is murder but I think the more he would have gotten away with the more invincible he would feel and would eventually go down that same path. This sociopath and perhaps psychopath (maybe both) should NEVER be released. He is dangerous!!!!

[@cherrychainsaww]

he can’t b a psychopath

[@themaliciousone666]

@@cherrychainsawwwhy can’t he be a psychopath?

[@cherrychainsaww]

@@themaliciousone666 psychopaths don’t care abt what they do. they show literally no emotion. he, on multiple occasions, stopped his crimes bc his victims begged him to and he knew it was wrong and his emotions took over. he’s still an awful person tho.

[@themaliciousone666]

@@cherrychainsaww I'd argue that psychopaths do know whats right and whats wrong and can develop their own "moral compass" so to say. He might just got turned off by the victims behavior. I assume he just isn't sadistic (luckily).

[@cherrychainsaww]

@@themaliciousone666 yea, psychopaths know right from wrong. psychotics don’t. he knew his actions were wrong, yea. but psychopaths don’t care. and if anything, the victims pleading would have turned him on more if he was sadistic, so yea he’s probably not.

[@krystalwolfhagen5277]

He can’t watch the videos of the sexual assault but he’s the one who committed the act and made her suffer through it? This is so sick and twisted.

[@JosedeJezeus]

dangerous men like this must have their testicles removed. It's the only way to mame them better.

[@gurutruecrimeguru1405]

He's since allegedly been raped himself in prison.

[@matthewsmith3078]

He’s a bit messed in the head. Not that that excuses his behaviour.

[@scheidtenatorgaming]

In the same breathe he said its all he thinks about. Deception Detective needs an episode on this guy...

[@kdotwoo4617]

yeah he’s definitely messed up. Also there were times where he attempted r4pe but backed out bc he felt sorry. So him not wanting to see the videos makes sense with his character

[@Mika-lk4bv]

the fact that there are more matthew mullers in this unidentified 'group' is so scary. if only they had used their resources well, we'd have known why andrea was the initial target and relevance of sesma in the case. FBI is fucked up.

[@Pens4Life85]

If that's true, why is he protecting anyone at this point?

[@2Easy.]

Yea the fbi agent was an ex boyfriend of Andrea too not sure if you watch the Netflix documentary but they said that they thought sesma was protecting her

[@Pens4Life85]

@@2Easy. That makes no sense. Sesma "was protecting her" so that's why an FBI agent "hired" a serial rapist to break in and kidnap her and keep her hostage?! Honestly, WTF are you talking about

[@Ultra-Collector]

He use to live nearby and he stalked these women,followed them,learned their names and planned everything. he had a bunch of practice stalking people and breaking into their homes for years prior to Denise’s case and in few of the attempts he new their names and the name of the spouse.

[@blznft9513]

Maybe the fbi agent knew Mathew muller & told him to target andrea since she was his ex

[@chancemoody8448]

I’m finishing up the book “Victim F”. Stopped to watch this interview that was mentioned. I’ve never yelled and shouted so much while reading a book. I can’t believe the Vallejo police. It’s disgusting. I just can’t believe it. It embarrassed for this country and government. I just can’t even 🤦🏻

[@wesmont87]

Cops in the bay area mostly care about 1) writing traffic tickets to create more revenue for their cities and counties (to pay for their overtime), and 2) searching people and vehicles for hard drugs so they can make felony arrests and advance their own careers

[@RedLeo-pf9yo]

Sad to say, that’s every police department in America.

[@lovepet4565]

Then the police believe Sherri 100% is crazy

[@daisyb4614]

Same 😂

[@Lucky_Male_Bee]

AMERICAN NIGHTMARE is on Netflix now, I just finished it. I am pissed off at the Vallejo Police Dept, the FBI, Nancy Grace & anyone else who jumped to conclusions way, way too quick. Then come to find out no one was disciplined was this icing on the 💩 cake.

[@samanthacastillo6577]

Who’s here after watching American Nightmare ?!? And I’m just wondering how tf did he knew Andrea 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Milkymilk07]

Meeee!!!! Ikr how the fuck did he know Andrea

[@Milkymilk07]

@@droiddevx03who gives a fuck if you don’t like what she says, keep scrolling.

[@bulma463]

Same but on the other hand he knew all the people by name when he invaded their house. Aaron en Erica foe example

[@whoisyou3_378]

@@droiddevx03 you must be be bored as FUCK😭😭😭

[@ShmaylaRay]

My theory is he had been watching them for some time and thought that Denise was Andrea because they looked similar and she had lived in that house too (I think?) I believe he was completely lying about being apart of a group. He acted alone and could only go through with raping someone the way he did Denise, which was to make her feel like he "had" to to protect her from the rest of the group (which doesn't exist).

[@MariaSmith007]

Matthew, is ridiculous, and only thinks about himself. He has sympathy only for the pending exoneration court cases he was working on and not for the Vallejo victims he perpetrated on.

[@kellywark5149]

True but on the bright side He has 40 years of filing shit to get out. smfh

[@andreameigs1261]

It's because it's all about appearances. The most likely reason I can think of that he didn't go through with raping certain victims was because of how he would appear to them. IE.. It's not real concern for the victim; it's caring about how HE LOOKS to the victim, which fits with a very specific rapist profile as well as narcissism and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had this diagnosis.

[@bulma463]

The case is solved but I can't help but wonder why he mentioned Andrea, how he got this investigators email and they didn't try to track the ip adress of his email, who the others were. And why Misty was the only one able to connect this guy to a crime that happened 40 miles away like bruhhhh

[@kim_possible1974]

Definitely FBI Sesma was involved and no one can find him. IMO he was able to orchestrate the entire investigation. He knew he should have recused himself the minute his ex-girlfriend was part of the case. But no….instead he insisted he be in the interrogation room. Find him and let’s hope this pos exposes his involvement. But again….he’s FBI..so apparently untouchable currently.

[@hiltonflores2748]

Seriously I have the same questions to ask.

[@Rainer125]

Andrea was involved with one or two dudes from law enforcement in that case so it seems super suspicious and should be further investigated but most likely Matthew got his informations wrong spying on the victims before striking. Apparently he used drones to surveillance his victims which is why he knew their names etc.

[@NikasNeuroNuggets]

Did Andrea have something to do with it

[@eatingketchupchips9567]

Two options: he had likely peeping tommed Aaron’s house in the past & took pictures of Andrea when she lived there. He went into the house that night with the intention of doing this to Andrea, and was surprised and didn’t know they had split, but still took Denise. I believe the “investigator” was just the journalist who was falsely reporting that Denise’s kidnapping was a hoax, they usually provider their emails at the end of online articles. Option 2: Andreas ex bf who was in the FBI was involved and ordered the kidnapping and same thing - mistake made. Lots of FBI are also former military and with the recent allegations of systemic sexual assault being brushed under the rug within their own headquarters - the fact her ex didn’t recuse himself from the case scream corrupt. A good law enforcement wouldn’t risk the perception - an arrogant one who feels above the law doesn’t care.

[@danielosullivan7940]

Who’s here after watching American nightmare?

[@welcometoSunnydale291]

Moi

[@reinabombela4220]

Excellent documentary!!! It's on Netflix right now!!

[@BooBoosPalace]

This man should never be free.

[@kaleybrowning]

His eyes look exactly like Ted Bundy’s eyes. Dark, void, evil.

[@coletanner5193]

It's as if he did all this to be caught. He left his phone at a crime scene. He emailed the paper. Maybe he just wanted the drama.

[@cynthialawsonneal7394]

Cole Tanner or maybe he was also set up and the evidence was planted. This case sounds like whoever did this was not going to be that sloppy as to just leave stuff in their car. The people who did this was intelligent and even knew the couple's name and where her mother lived in Florida yet they left evidence in the car huge red flag. Sounds like they were all set up including this man.

[@cynthialawsonneal7394]

Cole Tanner did they find the sex video in his possession, I highly doubtful it cause the true kidnapper most likely has it

[@coletanner5193]

@@cynthialawsonneal7394 you mean in CA or did he get arrested for another event in FL as well..I'm thinking of the blond girl he is accused of kidnapping and raping in CA. Have they caught the others the couple reported there were more men with night vision equipment when this happened. Police gave been nothing but incompetent with all these events. I'm glad the couple got over 2M. Is m pretty sure he's the kidnapper since he's admitted to other crazy crimes.

[@irisenamorado]

Yes, he also appeared happy in jail.

[@forwardrecording1445]

Or he's just really stupid under pressure. People who were set up and innocent don't appear like this. He plead guilty to crimes outside of the publicized CA kidnapping. This man is a psychopath.

[@kekefarrar3332]

The fact that he gives this interview all professional like he’s still a some attorney and not a criminal. He’s sick!

[@Richard.Hybels]

He was sick but it seems to be in remission. He is a Harvard Law grad.

[@EasrterRising1fan]

@@Richard.Hybels I think you are right. When dealing with mentally ill there are moments when they are lucid.

[@deathangel5317]

@@Richard.Hybelsremisssion?? Wtf are you on?? It’s called being imprisoned…you’re fkn dmb if you think a 30 min interview could give you enough info to say yes in remission…sounds like you might be a rapist yourself or something?

[@sunleo6161]

@@Richard.Hybelsstop

[@vickididomenico1679]

This a hole journalist should not even give this skumbag a voice

[@lollipopppp]

Imagine someone kidnapping you, them gaslighting you that they didn’t do anything wrong, that it was from ptsd, and then at trial cross examine you and ask you to send settlement money to their (abuser’s) favourite charity….

[@nikkigussalazar5005]

This guy is a true definition of a monster.

[@riverdeep399]

Vile. He can't keep that grin off his face.

[@riverdeep399]

@LeMao ZeBron I think it's called Duping Delight. An expression of moral or intellectual superiority. He's summert else, alright.

[@michaelshutlak4732]

I cant believe hes claiming ptsd cuz he was raped in jail and not once cared the trama of raping her twice, making her also act like she enjoyed it, and video taped it... Hes a sick f#*k. His pretty face is gonna get a lot more of that hopefully... Karma's a bitch. And hes also being his own laywer and cross examining her? Wtf? That girl is one tough woman

[@melaniewood3060]

He claims the PTSD is from his time with the Marines.

[@shadowdadondilli3485]

Why do I feel like that FBI agent had a part in this, mainly because of the car that she heard pull up and him saying they are not as nice as he was. That’s the part that was left out.. Not to mention his involvement with the ex girlfriend. I think this dude was hired or at minimum threatened by someone more powerful than him

[@teamcougars]

The conduct of the Vallejo police was deplorable in this case 😢🤬 and now due to the actions of horrible people like Sherri Papini who totally faked their kidnapping there’s a greater chance of more police not taking future cases seriously and increase the chances of people who have been kidnapped being killed 😢

[@eatingketchupchips9567]

Nah don’t blame false accusations for the police not believing women - false reporting of SA is no higher than it is for arson, robbery, mugging, assault etc. Our system protects men who are violent towards women and children - especially sexually violent. You are more likely to spend more time in prison for tax evasion than you are child molestation or rape. This is systemic problem that is not the fault of women or on women to fix.

[@tls4022]

It’s crazy how ‘normal’ these criminals appear. He literally could be my boss and I’d have no idea 🙄

[@rosemimi973]

Why give this guy a platform. He has done enough damage.

[@jeneka0989]

I can’t believe his gf Dai ACTUALLY approached him to date him again AFTER she found out about the kidnapping&rape ...and they got married after the trial. Wtf ???? Mental woman.

[@jamiross5568]

Exactly she must be messed up in the head thinking he is innocent this guy is a narcissist

[@radbrad1133]

Wait, say what??

[@radbrad1133]

Nvm. I got to that part.

[@snowredsnow666]

Trauma bonded or a socio / psychopath herself 💀

[@BriannaBlanco-tu7qv]

@@radbrad1133I don’t get it lol

[@FoneArc]

What is going through this guy’s head? He had such a stellar background - decorated Marine, Harvard-educated lawyer. Then he flushed it all down the toilet.

[@TheStar798]

@FoneArc - Psychopaths can only silence the demons for so long.

[@reginaphalange1403]

He’s cray cray

[@johanna2059]

@MissDroplette that's an insult to anyone with bi polar. He's a total deluded, psychopathic lunatic

[@ChrisVincent-xg7zi]

PRIVILEGE. He was too smart to become a cop 👮‍♂️. Good thing. Crazy Crazy case. Any new information on this?

[@00calimon]

sometimes the most most accomplished people have the biggest demons driving them.

[@kaylynnrobinette8724]

Disgusting person, I'm surprised he didnt tell his other friends that didn't help him. I hope he never comes out of prison period!!! He's a monster, and doesn't have a heart to hurt people.

[@therealbe]

I honestly believe the part where he meant to take Andrea (Aaron’s ex-gf). Clearly there were others involved. For example, the “associates” he spoke of. Aka the men who came to the cabin while Denise was held hostage to construct a plan B with Mathew. Perhaps including Andrea’s ex (David Sesma). Call me crazy but he was coincidentally present during the case (even though he knew it was a conflict of interest) and Denise’s interrogation with detective Mustard (who intentionally tried to make her look like a liar). I guarantee that if properly investigated, they could link him to Mathew at some point. Maybe the military? David held others back from further investigating. He was also involved in relaying the results of Denise’s SART exam (which was likely sabotaged). Aaron’s phone was turned off during crucial moments of the investigation. This entire case smells like a coverup by dirty law enforcement officials. The fact that Mustard received an officer of the year award after royally destroying a case as big as this one speaks volumes. Perhaps Mathew was the Mare Island creeper who liked to SA women, but I think he was also the fall guy in this scenario. There’s certainly evidence to prove that he wasn’t working alone and had inside help. Not to mention, he remains quiet to questions regarding why he chose Denise. He appears to be protecting those ‘associates’, which leads me to wonder why and what he’s getting in return.

[@tinafrompasadena3192]

There were no friends.

[@therealbe]

@@tinafrompasadena3192 In order to know that you must’ve been there, which also proves you wrong.

[@mattkaranouh184]

@@therealbeI was thinking the EXACT same thing there was something wrong w agent Sesma being a previous lover of Andrea's

[@rempire380]

The dummy doll with a mask on was his only friend ! made it look like there where more, when hopefully it was only him and the dummy

[@Salomeii]

This is ridiculous. He's speaking as if this is a normal day... Not well... Does not however absolve him of what he did...

[@merncat3384]

@Drone Strike you mean the way he violated Denise?!?

[@Objection_23and1]

He gives me Ted Bundy vibes for sure, him acting like he is still an attorney and not a criminal rapist 🥴

[@SRP3333]

I feel like he wanted to be caught to be honest. He’s very fascinating in a terrible way. The way he sent the emails trying to let people know that Denise wasn’t lying, and then leaving the phone and being at his cabin.

[@Nous520]

Yes it’s almost like he’s either truly torn Or he just wants people to know what he did. He reminds me a lot of Ed Kemper and I find him unique in that I find myself wanting to believe the parts of him that knows it’s wrong and doesn’t want to do it and simultaneously being disgusted by the things he did and his capacity to do them. While for Ted Bundy I ONLY feel disgust and distain. I don’t buy his slimy nice guy persona and i don’t believe anything he says. It’s very odd it’s like the dichotomy is real in Ed Kemper and this guy but in others like Bundy there is no dichotomy- there’s just a false public persona. And I suppose the dichotomous split is far scarier in reality but there is a humility that is vacant In the likes of Bundy. I dunno- it’s very strange.

[@Dr.Rabbit7346]

Incredible that this bizarre crime was done by one individual. Both victims thought this was done by a group of criminals. My heart goes out to them for the inaction of Law Enforcement and the public’s reaction.

[@FutureAbe]

Because he’s schizophrenic and was talking to himself while they were blindfolded

[@chatnoir60609]

Well, Denise did listen to a car aproaching and then leving while her kidnapper was present, and she listened to several voices. So there were definitely more people. Then it was all this thing about how Andrea was the actual target and that she was the ex-girlfriend of one the FBI agents involved in the super negligent investigation trying to blame the victims (very convenient) and it was actually the FBI who tricked Aaron and lied to him when they told them he had failed the lying test detector exam to make him confess for a crime he didn't commit, again very convenient, then the police did nothing, again, to actually investigate if more people was involved and jump to re-assured the kidnapper acted alone, etc etc. I don't believe a thing coming from the Vallejo Police Department about this issue, everything is waaaay too shady.

[@s.a.g.8131]

Denise and Aaron described being woken up by multiple individuals. They heard more than one man having a discussion when they discovered Densise wasn't the correct girl. And Denise over heard a conversation between men when she was locked up at the cabin. The documentary revealed that one of the cops on the case used to date Aaron's ex --the girl that was supposed to get kidnapped. That cop was probably involved which is why the department was being so unhelpful ---they were covering their buddies ass. Cops are crooks, man. Law enforcement is rife with corruption. But as we learned there are very rarely good cops, like the woman officer that made the connection from Muller to Denise.

[@onemansjunk1252]

Illuminati. This guy is from Illuminati college Harvard. Police chief calls in a favor,wants ex raped. This uy and team called for the job. Mistaken identity. Chief discredits victim. This guy caught by rookies not in on it. Psychologist wipe his brain. Become fall guy

[@Sharpshootr123]

It was said that the lake tahoe house was Muller's parents'. It could of simply been his parents stopping by to check on things and then leaving shortly after. But then again, Quinn said that on the night of the abduction there were multiple men, but that also could of been one of the blow up dolls dressed in black that police found in the trunk of his mustang. @@chatnoir60609

[@Biboche23]

Imagine a case where the criminal sees the le enforcement not doing their job believing their victims and going out of their way to almost out himself for them to take it seriously. Because the media and the law are just focusing on salacious, imaginative scenarios. It took him redoing similar crimes and getting caught for the whole story to come together and believing the victims… pretty crazy and infuriating. Thank God those cops, who investigating his last crime in another city nearby, arresting him and putting all the dots together. Shameful of their Vallejo police and FBi department for not believing there’s more and investigating, even when shown more proof. Im glad they Denise and Aaron won their settlement against them and got their justice restored.

[@kakakakellie]

I couldn’t believe the Dublin police department had no knowledge whatsoever of this case . With the news coverage and media and just people going nuts over it it took misty so much research to finally find Denise and she was only a town over . Not to mention the lack of communication between departments so close to each other . AND THE FACT THAT VALLEJO NEVER WOULD ANSWER THE PHONE !!!! Like what??? Imagine all the people trying to contact them about serious issues or when someone wanted to make a report or contact them about issues that don’t require needing to call 911 but holy shit I do not understand how this department didn’t get shut down . I know this is only one incident but when researching them , there’s been so so so many cases where they have failed miserably and just show how they do not care about anyone and how disappointing of a department they are . How has the state of CA not taken care of this??? Why haven’t they just completely redone it and assign all new people? WHY? WHY IS THERE NO PETITION ON CHANGE. ORG

[@MrMoose233]

Guy went to Harvard Law school his eloquent, crafty responses aren't out of place.

[@MyBizOnlu]

And got disbarred for his legal billing practices.

[@sepkamrouz1]

@@MyBizOnlu For stealing someone's green card application money and not filing it, around a petty $1k. Also he couldn't renew his bar license which is $512 in Cali. Insane

[@johanna2059]

Imagine.....someone out there married that!!

[@JosedeJezeus]

there are some dumb, pathetic biatches in this world.

[@gerald9820]

He even looks like Ted Bundy

[@katrianamalone2201]

He says “I’m a ticking time bomb” yup. This interview should be used as an example of narcissistic personality disorder.

[@randomtees]

Someone with NPD wouldn't have that kind of self awareness, or at least wouldn't admit it. People just throw out that diagnosis for anyone who does anything bad, to the point where it's completely meaningless. He certainly has some form of a personality disorder, but his symptoms fall under cluster A (psychosis) not B (antisocial/narcissistic).

[@jeneka0989]

@@randomtees Really? You don’t think he’s sociopathic/narcissistic?

[@randomtees]

@@jeneka0989 Sociopath isn't the same as a narcissist which isn't the same as a psychopath. He DOES likely have a personality disorder, but doesn't fall in any of those sub-categories. His symptoms suggest Cluster A, not Cluster B.

[@amycaitlyn1120]

@@jeneka0989 These things are not similar at all. Yes, all are personality disorders, but vary in significant ways. As the other person said, people throw these terms out, without really knowing what they mean. A sociopath (think Jeffrey Dahmer - one who killed with zero empathy or remorse) is much different than someone with a narcissistic personality disorder (think Donald Trump - who is solely concerned with their ego, and what will enable them to feel better, or more superior to others).

[@jeneka0989]

@@amycaitlyn1120 he did have NPD in my opinion. A lot of hubris. Arrogance. Though he could get away with it. If you analyze who he had become before his jailhouse interview , he REEKED of narcissism. What he did was EXTREEEMELY narcissistic. He even went as far as raping her when that was unnecessary. It’s sociopathic what he did but also clearly narcissistic. His not going through with cross-examining them was a calculated move. Meaning, he did the calculation in his mind if it was worth it to do that and realized it wasn’t. He probably did some mental calculations and decided against doing it. It wasn’t out of sparing them.

[@dlarsen325]

My theory is that Andrea's ex David Sesma hired Muller to kidnap her. It was purely accidental Denise was there that night.

[@ingy291]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@ximenafernandezdeparedes2970]

Yes! And I believe it was because as Denise, David found out that Andrea and Aaron were talking…

[@Nous520]

Or it was Andrea who hired him and sesma couldn’t stay off the case because muller had said he came for Andrea and he wanted to be part of solving it I don’t know - either theories seem plausible to me

[@Einarius1]

It was soo many questions they didn’t follow up on that irritates me. I hoped they would do the same thing as “the jinx” did… actually do some digging themselves!

[@jamesfarrell8339]

Raped and beaten How terrible I can only imagine it is going to happen again and again. This guy is a monster and deserves everything that is coming.

[@jeneka0989]

He blinks crazy amount of time ....something was wrong with his brain to cause this physiological reaction

[@therealbe]

Somebody test this guy for multiple personality disorder. Can’t believe he’d claim to be innocent while incriminating himself exponentially or deny culpability while his cottage was a treasure trove of evidence. And the gf marrying him completely blows my mind. This world is wild.

[@michaelsilva3633]

Scary dude

[@2Easy.]

He knows the law he is not blaming him self

[@lexirusso5840]

What do you mean the gf marrying him? The gf married her husband Aaron. This guy Matthew is not married or did he say he married someone too?

[@gingy182x]

@@lexirusso5840she is referring to Matt’s girlfriend. Not Denice.

[@sepkamrouz1]

EVEN MULLER IS LIKE "BITCH GTFO" IM TRYNA GET A LIFE SETENCE LOOOL BRO IM SO DONE

[@roballman5726]

If anyone is unaware.. this man who is interviewing this guy i believe his name is Henry Lee and he works for some San Francisco based news place as a journalist. He was in the documentary! He always recieved emails from the kidnapper Even the email with the denises voice on it Just gotta point out how fucking weird that is. And now to find out he did this little interview giving him softball questions all buddy buddy while denise and aaron were treated horridly by this same news station What are your thoughts

[@roballman5726]

@@droiddevx03 u can have a picture of her ass for 50 bucks

[@SteveSouza]

Even though Henry admitted being wrong on the documentary, The media in general, especially Fox News, had this group thing going, blaming the victims almost to point almost to the point where they seem like a posse that wanted to go after them! as a result, the death threats came in all over the place for this innocent couple!

[@jdcapps21]

No shit! You think you’re the only person who noticed that? 😂😂

[@roballman5726]

@@jdcapps21 umm no

[@zzzkomorebi]

I noticed this too. Seems like this "journalist" like most, doesn't seem to have much integrity or human decency. Of course he wants to seem as "neutral" and "doing his job" but in a case like this, he seems a bit too interested in this as a story without acknowledging the horror? even in the documentary, he never talked about how f***d this all was.

[@kim_possible1974]

Also…did anyone watch Taken on 20/20? Aaron’s own brother is FBI? I would have to assume that his mission is to now find every bit of dirt he can on Agent Sesma. He was 100% involved and orchestrated the entire investigation. He too was blown away at their stupidity. Muller and Sesma were working together in some capacity. There is no way the comment “this was supposed to be for Andrea” makes any sense….unless you consider that the FBI agent was in on it to some degree. Probably in charge of the entire thing. He is the 2nd individual Aaron and Denise both mention. IMO. 🤔🤷‍♀️

[@aarondunnmedia]

This is my theory. I could be totally wrong, but this is what I think. I think mustard, the Vallejo police, Sesma, and the ex finance were all in on it together. I think she wanted her ex back and since her ex was with the fbi, he had contacts to orchestrate the kidnapping. From what I’ve heard, through the dark web there are hitmen sites where you can pay hitmen to take people out. The FBI gets involved with the dark web for cases. Muller said to Denise that he got paid to do what he does which implies a transaction was in the process. Chances are if you’re a hitman, you gotta have some sort of law enforcement/military experience. They were tryna sweep it under the rug because they were dirty. They didn’t hurt Aaron during the kidnapping because he was the prize that the ex wanted but they kidnapped the girl to get her out of the picture. Why is it that they knew their names and the exact layout of their house? Who else knows that info? His ex fiance Andrea. When kidnapped, Muller said to Denise that she wasn’t the intended target, that Andrea was and I think Andrea told the kidnappers to say that so she could look like the victim too which would cross her out from being a suspect. I think the ex fiancé needs to be investigated personally. There’s no reason why he should’ve been a free man for so long. There are dirty people on the inside who helped him. It reeks of suspicion. They then tried to close the case and say he acted alone. Why? I believe they personally know who the others are and they’re trying to shut it down for good because they’ll all get in trouble.

[@jsierra6809]

Ted Bundy vibes

[@terminatorp8797]

Whats been bugging me is that all of those people from Law Enforcement who handled this case, made mistakes and falsely accused the victims didnt EVEN apologize to the victims or get corrected by the higher ups. Just slap on the wrists huh?

[@toithomas4560]

Not even a slap unfortunately

[@kim_possible1974]

They did get a letter from the new police chief admitting they made mistakes. However…he wasn’t even involved. Just stupid Colonel Mustard. 🤬

[@kberg2020]

Yes, it's very disturbing that the copps that need to be charged with crimes are awarded for their awful conduct. Note that the FBI was pulling the strings.

[@rpedregon71]

Sickening

[@kyliehale3595]

Maybe he wanted to be caught. Why would he leave his phone at the crime scene ?

[@ranjha4008]

Not the just the phone the emails he sent to this journalist with the pictures of the toy gun laser and other equipments he used was a giveaway too

[@strawberry338]

Because he is a coward and was overpowered by the girls father. He is a narcissist and believes he is smarter than everyone, he thought he cool abduct. The girl without waking the parents, he lives in a different reality to the rest of us of us, look at this interview, he is acting like it’s a professional meeting.

[@TheCharleecrat]

he who represents himself in court has a fool for a client

[@kforcer]

Although, in his case, he was a fairly successful lawyer prior to all this. Not a law school dropout like, say, Bundy.

[@NastyWoman1979]

@@kforcer he is still a fool... A disgusting POS fool.

[@stephendre2902]

@@kforcer I’m sure him being disbarred for stealing 1000 bucks from a client as well as wearing wetsuits and kidnapping people will surely help him defend himself. Only pure brilliant minds do things like that. You sure pick some good heroes to have for yourself don’t ya, buddy. I’m sure the jury is going to trust him for the get go.

[@cbizzy2009]

You have it backwards if you need a lawyer you're a ward of the court a dumbass ...

[@lindajones8101]

Doesn’t he say in the Netflix documentary that he wanted to be in prison because he needed that kind of controlled environment? I’m sure he is a malevolent narcissist or psychopath since he’s giggling and smiling a lot here.

[@mortalclown3812]

Folks are far too casual with armchair diagnoses re: true crime videos. Hearing something on Dr. Phil isn't a substitute for bona fide CVs. Fwiw, I get it: he's creepy and has inappropriate reactions. We're all glad he's locked up.

[@wednesday7475]

@@mortalclown3812 Exactly. Everyone’s trashy ex is a “narcissist” these days…

[@alexafromsouthcarolina5666]

I'm not getting narcissist or psychopath tbh. I watch a lot of these kinds of cases. There were times when he was fully prepared to sexually assault women and chose not to due to them pleading and begging him. But with Denise, she didn't plead or cry with him and he finally went through with the assault. The fact that he takes the victims feelings into account is very strange psychology. There's definitely the presence of charm, manipulation, and ego. But he also exhibits signs of outward feelings such as empathy, compassion, & humility ( In a super fucked up way). Very interesting psychology. I'm going to go with borderline.

[@zanyaespeaks]

​@@wednesday7475NO, everyone's ex is not NPD. He is definitely and a sociopath on his way to psychopath! However, that doesn't mean he's "insane". He's very smart. Some ppls exes could be liars and/or manipulative and/or rarely Apologize, but doesn't make them NPD. No empathy and No accountability ever makes you NPD. Ppl have traits, but Don't fit the Dx.

[@taylordaniel6347]

​@@x3m40i5dude .... Wtf

[@wolfmayner6274]

Came here from MrBallen, this dude is giving off American psycho vibes forreal.

[@kemalcanmumcu421]

I am really confused about some details like number of criminals, his motivation, ex fiancee's new bf as FBI in this case. Is there any info for these points?

[@kingofnash7001]

i dont like how happy he looks

[@splendorinthegrass4557]

if I met him anywhere I would run...

[@beepboop449]

there’s something terrifyingly familiar about this man. his voice and face, the way he talks. i am no where near CA and would have no reason to ever have encountered this man but the feeling of familiarity is absolutely chilling.

[@sue5980]

Same here 👍 his eyes are dark like he's soulness 🤔

[@LadyGenerationX]

Same he reminds me of a "chris" from Rhode Island

[@Beautybymariagabriela]

It reminds me of the zodiac after committing a murder and calling the police in calm voice explaining the murder so creepy

[@sepkamrouz1]

I have the same feeling. I had a friend who was bi polar and looks and talks very similar to him. He was a good person but was capable of being very cruel and sadistic only when he wasn't taking his meds and abusing drugs. When he is sober and medicated he'll be likeable and the center of attention. Lots of people give this vibe, look up Theo Von and look at the lips and eyes. Theo is a hilarious comedian great guy. Mark Wahlberg has the eyes

[@Emily-zb7xt]

Christian bale

[@SirJaymesDAudelée]

I’m not a fan of this journalist. He’s essentially wasted 30 minutes- mostly asking the accused questions that he must know full well could not be expounded about, for the obvious legal reasons. Which just allows the defendant to speak out a slightly different, wordy explanation as to why he can’t answer the question- each and every time one is asked! Like….maybe find another angle already.

[@ChrisVincent-xg7zi]

Another Harvard experiment gone wrong? Marines? No sense in asking why. Ego. This is the newest Fed penitentiary money maker. Ain't just dealers being kidnapped anymore.

[@blueagle-di6is]

Creepy smile.

[@viewlesscheese]

So he got raped...in this case karma isn't a bitch.

[@KimCutright-u4e]

Karma is a dick

[@couillardlaura9218]

i’m thinking grandiose sense of self (a sort of god complex) with narcissistic traits. he has his own twisted sense of “justice”(don’t know if it’s the right word) and his own sets of values that make it seems like he had “empathy” for certain of his victims??? and on top of that a sexual problem (he doesn’t get off on the violence, but more on the sexual act itself (doesn’t want his victims to scream or feel too “traumatized” so he sedates them of retracts when victims seems to panicked) ???? i don’t know but he doesn’t seem to fit the criteria to be a psychopath ?? ether way there’s a mental problem there (apart from the bipolar disorder and the ptsd)

[@stephaniemadill6649]

Do you think he always had these deviant proclivities his whole adult life? Or did they manifest as his mental illness took hold? He had been married, had girlfriends. Would he have wanted to dominate them sexually, or was this compulsion reserved for strangers he’d been watching? You’re right he didn’t seem to be excited by violence but still sought non-consensual sex.

[@willow_jayde]

He's got those eyes, and he's got that look in those eyes too doesn't he? I think he would have eventually started removing us off the census too I think if they'd not caught him.

[@carlotapuig]

Another Harvard crazy narcissist. He has no human empathy.

[@gemmaariss5609]

Just finished the Netflix documentary. Do they believe he worked alone, or are there other people involved? It scares me to think he could have worked for a group.

[@ryankerchner8524]

Definitely a couple things point to that being a possibility. Denise talking like she heard a conversation in the other room. However, that could have been a total act by Muller.

[@shelbyelby]

Why and how did he know Andrea???

[@Mr.GoodBeer]

There's more to this case. He left the phone on purpose.

[@Mimke1]

Bipolar seems a mild diagnostic for his compulsion

[@Lionforaday]

Not bipolar, no matter what he says. A bipolar person doesn't (and likely couldn't) meticulously plan-out this sort of caper, not only through this assault & abduction, but the various other assaults he's known to have "successfully" pulled-off. It's a common-enough excuse though, and these days, also a convenient one, since those with mental illness are themselves seen as "victims." Indeed, I've no doubt Muller would describe both himself & those he preyed upon as equally "victims" of a mental disease over which he had no control. Claiming to "be bipolar" is a disgrace to those who truly suffer from the illness, the vast majority of whom only ever hurt themselves.

[@Annekn_Skywalker]

Bundy wannabe?

[@coletanner5193]

I will give him kudos for having a moral compass if he didn't have a moral compass he would have killed her so he's much better than the serial killers to the best of my knowledge he hasn't killed anyone

[@shaheerthekhan]

@@coletanner5193 ah yes, he raped and traumatized her but the real mercy was not killing her, such a moral compass

[@SloaneHomeAlone]

Why is he still alive in prison?

[@maryjones-ellis102]

His poor mom wasted all her money, putting him through college for him to be disgraceful. What a loser.

[@andradebiscotti]

What happened to his accomplices?

[@omniakeene6996]

He didn’t have any, it’s a theory but I feel like he definitely acted alone

[@NatashaParker-uh4wu]

Wonder if this is similar to firefighter arson, but from the lawyer aspect. He got bored of being the lawyer so created his own drama and now not only gets to be the lawyer in the case but also the perpetrator. Weird, nonetheless, but makes me wonder.

[@Dan-ln4kn]

Never release that MONSTER!

[@justinharber]

he said "the system doesn't like iOS" thats the same issue he had while trying to connect the camera and router during the Denise Quinn kidnapping case.

[@mjtobiko]

This guy is just creepy asf! Grinning and giving off this sort of charm to him… immediately reminded me of Ted Bundy but without the killing

[@OscarLopez-gq4he]

kinda looks like him to

[@Wrenn180]

Denise and Aaron were also horrifically traumatised about the media coverage! And that this reporter and his colleagues apologised both personally and publicly to the couple. The media have a lot to answer for- not just with how they reported on this case either, but for many reasons.

[@brucedavid7231]

It is unusual they didn’t do any DNA evidence confirmation that the hair in the goggles matched that of Denise

[@rickshaffer9746]

He definitely gives that nod and slight smile when Henry introduces himself like ya of course I know you I’ve sent you emails.

[@alissamicheleanderson]

Socio psycho path

[@tck3041]

She married this monster in prison after these atrocities!!

[@JennyS54]

She did, but filed for divorce in 2022, which is still pending…..Huei Jiun Dai, is her name, obviously another lunatic..

[@1Devin4andAhalfDevonsNaDog]

it’s as if ted bundy came back to life

[@OscarLopez-gq4he]

who was the other person denise heard at the house when he was talking to them ?

[@NikasNeuroNuggets]

Probably the fbi dude

[@stephendre2902]

40 years!? The fact this guy will be set free is absolutely terrifying… Welp get ready for the wetsuit man to be back at it in your streets by 2025 if parole boards do what parole boards do.

[@JosedeJezeus]

he should have his testicles remoived, that wou!d make him FAR less dangerous

[@wesmont87]

The 40 years were for his federal kidnapping charge, and there's no parole from federal prison. So he'll do the whole 40 at club fed and then go do his state time at a CDC facility

[@matthewsmith3078]

He’ll be what? 80? Likely under a lot of supervision. Probably microchipped or whatever they will do with released felons in 40 years.

[@torilauren17]

At least he will be an old ass man when he’s released. Probably not capable of hurting anyone again. Phew.

[@iverson6631]

@@wesmont87 85% of the time must be served so at least 36 yrs hell be in prison.

[@gasolinedixon2394]

Who were the other 2 when Denise was kidnapped? Confused

[@zzzkomorebi]

No one found out. No one is interested in investigating and go so far as to say it's "impossible." Even though Denise and her now husband swear there was more than one.

[@jadamcclain5015]

Everyone’s like “oh wow he’s so normal, wouldn’t never thought” r yall fr? This dude is creepy asf, and I would haven known he was off with or without knowing his crimes. Watch out for psychopathic behavior. For example, when he’s rapes are brought up. His crimes r placed right out on the table, he gets defensive and hostel, then ties the concerns of the question back to himself talking about HIS ptsd, smh. Common physic behavior..NARCISSISM and denial.

[@Lionforaday]

Muller's outrage for those falsely accused that he says he's trying to exonerate is the height of iorny. He says if he's able to free even one innocent victim, then it will all kind of even-out. He's either a master at compartmentalizing or he's straight-up delusional; perhaps being in the military helps with the former - if one considers compartmentalizing a useful skill?

[@dmossetty]

Why’s he still alive?

[@tigersteele9552]

FACTUAL BACKGROUND.....WHO KNOWS YOUR CRIME....BETTER THAN YOU??!!!! AH...POOR BABY...HE WAS RAPED...GREAT PAYBACK!!!! HE IS A ...DISBARRED...IMMIGRATION LAWYER!!!! HOW DID HE HAVE CLIENTS....WITH PTSD??? HE WAS....RIPPED OUT..... OF TUCSON PRISON ??? RIPPED OUT!!! OH...HE IS OUTRAGED???!!!! HE CANNOT GET ANY HELP FROM THE V.A......WHILE HE IS IN PRISON!!!!

[@BlueshellGamer]

Noone cares what this punk has to say. Also, how can any of his legal advise be valid when he is a convicted kidnapper? So much injustice.

[@bbozeman03]

His eyes are so creepy!

[@BenGarrott]

I believed Denise and Aaron because as my mom would have said "You can't make that shit up".

[@toithomas4560]

Reminds me of American Psycho 😮